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Dick Martin

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Jan 5, 2002, 11:34:49 AM1/5/02
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Bonjours - Pardonnex, svp, mon francais. Je recherche information
concernant un ancetre -- Jacques Martin ne aux environs de La Rochelle en
1611 a la paroisse de l'Estree, Aunis, Charente. Il a marrie Luce Chaslut
en 1636 et leur fils -- Joachim -- est partis pour Quebec en 1656 a l'age de
20 ans.

Merci pour quelque information vous avez.

Dick Martin


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Joachim Martin.
The Martin family name goes back to St.Martin, bishop of Tours in
371. This name, which in France is comparable to the Tremblay's in Canada,
is so spread out that it would be impossible to assemble them all under the
same roof.
Among the Canadian Martin's, I have chosen to know better one of the
most humble of them: Joachim, born ca. 1636 in the uneventful small locality
of Aytre, today a small community which is part of the agglomoration of La
Rochelle, headquarters of the Charente-Maritime.
As a young man, Joachim many times heard speak of the sailing ships
leaving for Africa, the Antilles and Canada from where arrived the abundant
commodities and the rich furs. One day, the son of Jacques Martin and of
Luce Chalut, felt the call to spread his wings. He went to the pier at
LaRochelle where the numerous white sails awaited only a breeze to escape to
the end of the horizon.
Tuesday, 11-04-1656, Joachim, 20 years of age, enters the home of the
Notary Cherbonnier of LaRochelle, in order to to make his mark on the bottom
line of an engagement of three years permitting him to come to Quebec under
the protection of Francois Perron, owner and outfitter of the ship" Le
Taureau" a 150 tonner. Promised salary: 75 poundes per year. Jean Rabouin,
farmer of Surgeres, 18 years, is one of the hired of this recruitment.
According 5to the observations that Jean Talon made on the navigation
of LaRochelle to Canada, 04-10-1665, it is possible to explain somewhat the
maritime itinerary of Joachim Martin, at his visit to the Nouvelle France in
the spring of 1656.
After the 11th, the Taureau left LaRochelle passing through the St.
Nicolas and Chaine towers and sets out for the open seas. The Captain
Tadourneau then asks a seaman for the Jacob's stick to guide the bow of the
vessel toward the 46 2/3 rd. degree of the North atlantic, the latitude the
most favorable because of its winds.
After many days, the difficult weeks on end, the vessel passes
between Newfoundland and the St. Pierre & Miquelon Is., follows the coast,
looking for the Ile-aux-Oiseaux or Brion, not far from the Magdelaine Is.,
skirts Anticoste Is. and lines up on Gaspe, then heads west toward Sept Iles
depending on the atmospheric conditions, rejoins Matane to follow the river
south all the way to Bic befor the prudent approaches to Tadoussac and the
mouth of the Saguenay River; finally hugging the north shore of the St.
Lawrence River passing the Ile-aux-Lievres, near the Cap- aux-Oies, before
negotiating the strait separating Baie-St.Paul and the Ile-aux-Coudres. The
ship then gets into the channel south of Orleans Is. before docking in
Quebec.
Coming to Nouvelle France was, at that period, a very high risk deal,
reserved for only the bravest. Joachim was one of those. In the summer of
1656, who was there to receive him as his employer for the three years? I am
still searching for an answer.
Now his engagement over, three years later, he nearly settles on the
Beaupre coast, in the territory of L'Ange Gardien. Effectively, Jean
Jacquereau had obtained some land of two arpents of frontage on the river by
126 deep, 26-10-1659. Jacques re-sells this farmland, situated in the place
called Le Caput, to Jaochim Martin on the 01-02-1660, for the sum of 120
pounds. What happened? The following July 1st. Joachim resiliates his
purchase.
As far as I know, Joachim had renewed his contract for another three
years, maybe in the service of Simon Denis, sieur of the Trinite, of
Beauport. At the end of 1662, he is ready to found a family. Th 17th of
October he presents himself in the house of Paul Chalifour, with the notary
Audouart. He wants to marry the eldest of the Chalifour girls, Marie.
To celebrate this matrimonial convention were reunited under the
Chalifour roof, Jacques Archambault & Francoise Tourault, the future wif's
grandparents, Simon Denis, the doctor Jean Madry, Maurice Arrive and
Jacquette Tourault, her uncle and aunt, the cousins such as Elie Bourbeau.
Marie and Joachim vowed before all that they would live in the contract of
common goods. The assembly gets more serious when we learn that the
Chalifour's,not only giving the beautiful wedding clothes to their daughter,
promise to feedthem until the All Saints day of 1663. The son-in-law only
had to furnish 20 bushel of grain. The father-in-law, master carpenter,
grasps the moment to say that he would do his possible to build a house 18'
x 16' on the Orleans Is., on the land that he and his son-in-law mutually
possessed.
And so it is in the church of Notre-Dame de Quebec that,the
05-11-1662, the priest Charles de Lauzon blesses their union in front of the
witnesses, Guillaume Audouart, notary and
thierry Delestre tailor.
Sadly, Marie probably did not have the time to break in her new home
built by her father on the Island. She is dead the 12-10-1663 and was buried
in Quebec. For her husband and family it was a rapid and paiful departure.
She was 14 years old.
His chain of happiness had just been broken. Joachim, however, had to
live. Maybe he stayed on awile longer with the Chalifour's as they liked
him. The 10-12-1664 he obtained a grant in the future parish of St. Pierre
on Orleans Is.the 20th. of March, Mgr. de Laval concedes to him a new title
for three arpents of frontage, situated between Jean Vallee and Thomas
LeSueur, and charged an annual rent of three pounds "tournois" and twelve
"deniers" of taxes, without counting three live fowls, the Bishop signs.
At the 1667 census, Joachim Martin, 30 yrs.old.declares to possess
nine arpents of farmland. He has no animals in his stable. Jean Vallee,
husband of Marie Martin,may be a relative of Joachim's, and Jean-Guy,
LaRochelle crossbowman/maker, are his neighbors.
Will Joachim remain widowered and without posterity?
Pierre Petit, of St.Germain-l'Auxerrois, city of Paris and his wife
Catherine Desnaguez lived in Quebec since 1647. Their oldest son, Joseph,
was kidnapped by the Iroquois, 13-05-1650. In 1669, Rene-Jacques and Louis
Petit were the brothers of Anne-Charlotte. She was 18 years old and serious.
Anne-Charlotte and Joachim will meet and will love seriously. Monday,
27-03-1669, the two lovers are at the home of Paul Chalifour, where the
family and friends were called together to here the conditions of their
marriage contract. Encouraging the future wife, besides her mother and
father, Rene Petit , her brother, Pierre chalut, butcher merchant, Leonard
Tresny and Charlotte. On the side of Joachim, the Chalifour family, the
son-in-law Jean Badeau, Robert and his wife. The sieur Jean Juchereau, sieur
of LaFerte, promises, in the name of Pierre Petit, to lease to the new
couple half of a land in the Neuville fief.
The dowry offered by Martin is of 600 pounds "tournois". Anne Petit
signs first, before Jean Bourdon, royal bailiff, Gabriel Gibault dit
Poitevin, and the notary Paul Vachon.
Anne & Joachim had their union blessed the 16th.of June 1669, a
Sunday, which was very rare. The act was registered at Notre-Dame de Quebec,
but the name of the priest who officiated was not (recorded). Could it be
then that the ceremony was celebrated in the small chapel of Beauport?
The new couple settled on Orleans Is.
We know that the 26-01-1672 , Joachim is at the home of Jacques
Cailhout, sieur of LaTesserie, owner of half of the fief of LaGrossardiere
at Orleans Is. The residant Martin acknowledges that he owes 50 bushel of
wheat to Cailhout for the delivery of a half cask of wine and as much of
spirits. The 22-02-1673, the creditor signs a quittance in due form to his
debtor, in the presence of Jean Baptiste Gosset, of Martin bouffard and of
the notary Romain Becquet.
Besides the births of their four children, there is nothing to note
until 1680.
Pierre Denis, sieur de LaRonde, landlord of many other seigneuries,
and his wife Catherine Leneuf, the 20th. of the month of March 1680 called
in to come to Quebec Joachim and his wife Anne Petit. They offer them to
take a lease for three years on land and small farm situated in N.D. des
Anges, at La Canardiere, with a logible house, barn, "short Stables",
gardin, farmable land of six arpents of frontage situated between Etienne
Rageat dit LeLyonnais, and Francois Treffle dit Rotot.
The conditions of this lease are multiple as are the advantages.
Joachim will keep for himself half the harvested grain and deliver the other
half to his master landlord. He may take wood to heat his house, and even
sell some, but without touching the small stand near the house.
At the 1681 census, the Martin family is living in thePetite Auvergne
where he posesses one gun, 10 horned animals and fifteen arpents of
farmland. Pierre Petit, father, 60 yrs. lives with his daughter Anne and his
son-in-law.
Anne Auber, daughter of the notary ClaudeAuber, had decide in 1683,
to have a house built in Lower Town of Quebec, rue Sous-Le-Fort. She then
adreses herself ,the 31 March, to Joachom Martin "living in this town" to
obtain the following services: Carry to her lot the stones, beams, planks,
boards and lime "of which she will need". To haul the said rock, Joachim
will receive three pounds per each canoe load. As for the other materials he
will receive five sols. The work will commence in the middle of April.Who
attested to the value of the deal;Pierre Lalande, sieur of Gayon, merchant,
and Pierre Vaudoyer, before Francois Genaple, notary.
The 27-12-1683, Jean LeRouge, mason and royal surveyor, contacts
Joachim and fixes the conditions of a deal before the scribe. Like the work
to be accomplished for Anne Auber this coming summer, he engages himself to
transport to the lower town all the necessary materials for the construction
of a building. For the transportation from the riverside to the site, the
employed will obtain 53 sols for each boatload of stone and sand; for each
two casks of water and lime, 5 sols,at each move.
We put the roof whereveer there is work. It is certain that the
Martin's will spend the summer in Quebec.
The Martin family returned to Orleans Is. in 1685, in the parish of
St.Pierre, where were baptized their two last children. In 1689, according
to the plan of the mapmaker Villeneuve, their neighbors are Pierre Roberge
and Vincent Guillot.
The eight kids in the Martin family: Louis. Marie-Anne,Marguerite,
Marie, Catherine-Francoise, Francois-Lucien, Jean-Baptiste and
Marie-Charlotte, who will all survive, marry and found families with the
exception of Jean- Baptiiste.
The oldest, Louis, born in Sillery, 12-06-1671, marries Louise Rate,
at St.Pierre. His eleven children will spread out on the South shore. At the
1700 census , Louis is the master of a longboat at Mt. St.Louis.
Marie-Anne, Marguerite,Marie dit Marie-Angelique, and Francoise will
ally themselves to the families Roy, Jolliet, Chantel, and Labourliere dit
Laplante.
Francois-Lucien, baptized in Quebec, 23-06-1683, godson of Lucien
Bouteville,gentleman merchant, went to find his fiancee at Riviere-Ouelle,
in the Autin family, 25-11-1710. Marie-
Francoise gave him 13 kids of which the last one, Louis, was baptizaed in
Cap St.Ignace.
Jean Baptiste Martin married in his native parish of St.Pierre with
Marie Genest. Without posterity. The bay girl, Marie-Charlotte was courted
by Louis Vernas dit Dufresne, doctor. Mother of four children, after the
death of her husband, 22-06-1720 at the Hotel-Dieu Quebec, remarries with
Pierre Rate, 14-10-1725 in Quebec.
Joachim was around 57 years of age when he saw the flickering of his
lamp of energy. After nine days of sickness at the Hotel-Dieu of Quebec, he
decides to return home to die in his adopted locality. The missionary
Jean -Henri Tremblay, Friday,30-6-1690, presides over the funeral in the
presence of named wtnesses in the records, Pierre roberge and Guillaume
Paradis, his friends and neighbors. None of his eight children had yet left
the family house of 18' x 24'.
The widow Martin found an excellent partner in the person ofAntoine
Juchereau, son of Pierre and of Jeanne Joussot, natives of Bourges au Berry.
He was forty years old, a good heart and rich. At the marriage contract of
Antoine and of Anne-Charlotte, 05-08-1691, The lover offers her a dowry of
5000 pounds. They fix an"equal" precipitation at 1000 pounds. Etienne
Maranda, Nicolas Metru, two bailiffs, and Louis Martin testify to this neat
arrangement, before the signatures of Pierre roy and of anne Petit.
Surprise- Antoine Juchereau does not sign!
Nuptial benediction, 10-09-1691, at the St. Pierre church on the
island, by the priest Tremblay. Assisted at the religious ceremony the
son-in-law Pierreroy, the friends Vincent guillot, Antoine Chaudillon,master
surgeon known by Juchereau, and Robert Vaillancourt.
Antoine and Anne will live happy days, but rapid. This second husband
is dead at the Hotel-Dieu of Quebec, 03-05-1699. Jean Paul Maheu, widower of
Marguerite tesson re-marries in the third wedding with Ane-Charlotte Petit,
11-06-1703, at St.Pierre. It was Christmas Day at St.Francois of the island
that Jean- Paul was buried.(25-12-1708) .
We know that Pierre Roy dit Desjardins, husband of Marie Martin and
son-in-law of Anne-Charlotte, renounced the 05-03-1695, to the eighth part
of the estate, at the only condition that his mother-in-law give him a
pregnant cow. The 27-04-1701, the widow Martin promises to pay to Augustin
Douaire, in the name of Pierre Chantal, the sum of 287 pounds, 8 sols, 5
deniers for "the balance of the account in merchandise delivered and sold up
until this day."
The foremother of the Martin's had the priviledge to enjoy a long
retirement. She died in 1736, at the age of 84 years, and was buried the
03-03 in the cemetery of St. Augustin near Quebec.
Ref: "Nos Ancetres",Vol.24,p.139>147.

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Bonjour Dick
J'ai dans mon ascendance Joachim Martin natif de La Rochelle fils de Jacques Martin et de Luce Chaslut. Joachim est marié en
premières noces à Marie Chalifou (sans postérité de premier mariage) et en secondes noces à Anne-Charlotte Petit fille de Pierre
Petit et Catherine-Françoise Desnaguez. Ils eurent 8 enfants.
Malheureusement je ne possède aucun autre renseignement sur cette famille

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Bonjour Dick, peu-etre que cec peu aider, vas au lien suivant https://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/GenealogieQuebec.aspx?genealogie=Martin_Joachim&pid=18670

Guy Martin

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Le samedi 5 janvier 2002 11:34:49 UTC-5, Dick Martin a écrit :
Dick, i am aslo a descendant of Joachin Martin, if you go to the following link, you might work your way down to yourself

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Le samedi 5 janvier 2002 11:34:49 UTC-5, Dick Martin a écrit :
Oups forgot to put the link https://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/GenealogieQuebec.aspx?genealogie=Martin_Joachim&pid=18670
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