LADOUCEUR, Herbert

[Aline Bergemann]

This is a hard one as I have no idea if there is a dit name for this
Ladouceur. Herbert and Anastasie Marleau. Need date of marriage and line
all the way back to France. They had a son, Antoine Ladouceur who
married Marguerite Doubois on 17 JAN 1813 at St. Benoit, QC.
Marguerites parents are Antoine Dubois & Esther Sauve-LaPlante.

Thanks in advance.

Aline

[Bert Chamberland]

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>Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:17:16 -0700
>From: Aline Bergemann <aber...@HQ.TCFARM.COM>
>Subject: LADOUCEUR, Herbert

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Aline:

I have the Ladouceur in my ancestry as my paternal grandmother.
Josephine Ladouceur who was the daughter of Moise Ladouceur (dit Lamagdeleine)
and tracing her line back I found another dit name of Magdelein. So there are
at least two other dit names that you have to search for in addition to
Ladouceur.

In my direct line there is no Herberet LADOUCEUR.

Bert Chamberland

Researching: CHAMBERLAND, COTE, DUBE, and LADOUCEUR.

[IXtF(@&&iB9fAJ]

Bonjour, Aline

I'm afraid I cannot help you with Herbert Ladouceur and Anastasie
Marleau.
But if, indeed, as another correspondant has suggested, your
Ladouceur is indeed a "Madelaine DIT Ladouceur", I can tell you
where you will eventually end, considering that all the Madelaine
dit Ladouceur from the Lake St-Louis/Two-Mountains Lake
(St-Benoit) come from one source:

Vivien (sometimes written as Vivier) MAGDELEINE dit Ladouceur,
son of Jean and Elisabeth Parisis, from St-Hilaire near Cognac,
in the diocese of Saintes, (ancient French province of
Saintonge).
He was born c. 1641; died October 15 1708 in Lachine (near
Montreal) where the 1681 census has him listed as a shoemaker.
November 12, 1672, in Montreal, he married Marie Godin (or
Gaudin) dit Chatillon, daughter of Pierre and Jeanne Rousseliere.
they had at least 8 children. He was one of the early settlers of
Lachine; later some of his children moved to near-by
Pointe-Claire.
Like most families of Lachine, some of its members were
"voyageurs" - hired help by the fur merchants to canoe back an
forth between lachine and the Great Lakes, transporting furs and
other goods. Some of them settled permanently either in the
Detroits (as is was called, then), or in the various French posts
along the Illinois or the Arkansas.

MAGDELAINE, also spelled MAGDELEINE or MADELEINE (like the female
name) was the real family name; Ladouceur was the dit name. As
far as I know both MAGDELAINE and Ladouceur were indifferently
used by Vivien's descendants. Before mid-XIXth century, before
family name spelling was normalized, the name was also sometimes
spelled LaMadeleine, or even Lamadelenne.

Children
I. MAGDELAINE Joseph 1673 - 1754 M 1699 Catherine Girardin
D 16 fev. Ste-Anne de Bellevue
II. MAGDELAINE Mathurin b/d 1676
III. MAGDELAINE Etienne 1677 M 1703 Jeanne Boursier
IV. MAGDELAINE Leonard 1680
V. MAGDELAINE Jn-Bte 1681 M 1714 Elisabeth Millet
VI. MAGDELAINE Marie 1683
VII. MAGDELAINE Nicolas 1686 M 1721 Marguerite Lalande
VIII. MAGDELAINE Barbe b/d 1687

Good luck

Helene Lamarche
Lachine

[Aline Bergemann]

IXtF(@&&iB9fAJ wrote:
>
> Bonjour, Aline
>
> I'm afraid I cannot help you with Herbert Ladouceur and Anastasie
> Marleau.
> But if, indeed, as another correspondant has suggested, your
> Ladouceur is indeed a "Madelaine DIT Ladouceur", I can tell you

> Helene Lamarche
> LachineBert Chamberland

Researching: CHAMBERLAND, COTE, DUBE, and LADOUCEUR.

Thank you to both of you for the probility on the "dit" name for
Ladouceur. I do have copies of the pages on Magdelein and Madelaine from
Tanguay's so I'll see if I can make a connection there.

Aline
aber...@hq.tcfarm.com
Woodburn,OR. USA

[ladou...@sympatico.ca]

This was quite a problem to find, as Hubert used several names.
At his son Antoine's marriage, he was called Hubert Ladouceur.
At his own marriage (to Anastasie Merlot, Feb 22 1773, Ste-Genevieve of Pierrefonds), he is called Hubert Vivien, son of Pierre Vivien dit Rabastau and Marianne Gaudry).
Hubert's date of birth and date of death are unknown.
His father used three different names: Pierre LaMadeleine, Pierre Vivien, Pierre Ladouceur dit Rabastau.
At his birth (28 June 1718, Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue), he is Pierre Ladouceur.
At his wedding (to Marie Anne Gaudry, 30 Sept. 1738, Notre-Dame de Montréal, he is Pierre LaMadeleine and at his son Hubert's wedding, he is Pierre Vivien dit Rabastau.
I know where Vivien comes from. It is the first name of Pierre's grandfather, Vivien Magdelaine dit Ladouceur, the first Ladouceur. I don't know where Rabastau comes from, but it was used by some of my relatives when I was young.
André Ladouceur

Le samedi 14 juin 1997 03:00:00 UTC-4, Aline Bergemann a écrit :

[Richard]

Hubert Ladouceur & Anastasie Merlot; fille de Augustin Merlot &Louise
Amable Aunais
Pierre Ladouceur-Lamadeleine & Marie Gaudry ; fille de André
Gaudry-Lanoix & Marie Anne Pelletier
Joseph Lamadeleine-Ladouceur & Catherine Girardin ; fille de Léonard
Girardin & Charlotte Jolivet
Vivien Madeleine-Ladouceur & Marie Godin ; 1672-11-21 n-d de Montréal