Suirname listings
Steve Hayes
>Do people generally list surnames on here to see if others are searching
>for the same?
There used to be a rather useful way of listing surnames you are interested in
in "Tiny Tafels". These had a standard format that could be read by both
humans and computers, and there was a program that could read and
automatically match them, called Tiny Tafel Edit, by Chris Long.
Un fortunately the program was written in Turbo Pascal, and TurboPascal has
never been updated to run on fast processors, so the program no longer works
unless you have an old computer with a < 500 Mhz processor. .
I wish someone would produce an updated version.
To whow you what the output looks like, here is mine:
N Steve Hayes
A PO Box 7648
A Pretoria
A 0001 South Africa
T (012)333-6727
R Bristol & Somerset surname interests
F Family History System (C:FAMILY .NAM)
Z 47 T=196 F=13495
A450 1756*1800*Allen/Winscombe, SOM, ENG
B500 1899 1955:Bain\Dunbarton, Scotland/Bristol, England
B520 1846 1882:Benoke/Bristol, England
B434 1828 1876.Bladwell\Bath, SOM, ENG/Bath, England
B650 1944 1944.Bourne\Bristol, England/Bristol, England
B240 1849 1892*Bussell\Stogumber, SOM, ENG/Bedminster, Bristol
C140 1816 1835*Capel\Winscombe, SOM, ENG/Winscombe, SOM, ENG
C100 1838:1838*Chaffey\Bedminster, Bristol/Bedminster, Bristol
C500 1959 1959:Conway\Bristol/Bristol
D242 1941 1947:Douglas\Bristol, England/Stockholm, Sweden
G620 1947 1947.Grice\Pretoria, TVL, RSA/Pretoria, TVL, RSA
G634 1842 1891*Gridley\Bristol, England/Bristol
G525 1869 1869.Gunningham\Bristol, England/Bristol, England
H630 1876 1943:Hart\Leigh Woods, Bristol/Leigh Woods, Bristol
H200 1785*1965*Hayes\North Curry, Somerset/Bristol, England
H420 1844 1844:Healls\Clifton, Bristol, ENG/Clifton, Bristol, ENG
H400 1817 1822*Hill\Winscombe, SOM, ENG/Winscombe, SOM, ENG
H452 1821*1821*Hollins\Bristol, England/Bristol, England
K453 1982 1982*Kalantar\Bristol/Bristol
M250 1906 1906:Machin\Redland, Bristol, ENG/Redland, Bristol, ENG
M635 1784*1784*Martin\Belfast, Ireland/Belfast, Ireland
M324 1851 1851:Mitchell\Bedminster, Bristol/Bedminster, Bristol
M640 1938 1938.Murrell\Bristol/Bristol
N160 1784 1893:Nipper\Winscombe, SOM, ENG
N120 1872 1880:Nobbs\Clifton, Bristol, ENG/Clifton, Bristol, ENG
P314 1851 1886:Padfield\Kilmusdon, SOM, ENG/Bedminster, Bristol
P626 1847 1889:Parker/Bedminster
P625 1928 1928:Parsons\Bristol, England/Bristol, England
P400 1904 1904:Pauli\Knowle, Bristol/Knowle, Bristol
P625 1970 1973.Pearson\Bristol/Bristol
P413 1926 1926.Philpotts\Bristol, England/Bristol, England
P654 1827:1834* Purnell\Winscombe, SOM, ENG/Bedminster, SOM, ENG
S320 1859 1859.Shaddick\Bedminster, Bristol/Bedminster, Bristol
S320 1848*1855*Stooke\Back Lane, Bedminster/Bedminster, Bristol
S300 1790 1790.Sweet\Wedmore, SOM, ENG/Wedmore, SOM, ENG
T123 1804 1854:Tapscott\Oakhill, SOM/Clifton, Bristol
T450 1941:1941*Toulmin\Bristol, England/Bristol, England
T610 1975 2003.Turp\Bristol, England/Weston-Super-Mare, SOM
W260 1940 1974.Wager\Watford, Herts, ENG/Weston-Super-Mare, SOM
W430 1823 1823 Wilde\Henbury, Bristol/Henbury, Bristol
W425 1889:1904*Wilkins
W452 1796 1849*Williams\Wedmore, Somerset/London, ENG
W 21 Apr 2008
Key to fields:
First date is earliest date of birth
Second date is latest date of birth
Interest levels:
After first date - interest in ancestors
After second date - interest in descendants
* - very high interest
: - moderate interest
. - low interest
- (blank) no interest
--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
Peter J Seymour
listed output differ significantly from the actual file data?
Peter
Ian Goddard
>
> Un fortunately the program was written in Turbo Pascal, and TurboPascal has
> never been updated to run on fast processors,
--
Ian
Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard
at nildram co uk
Everett M. Greene
> Steve Hayes wrote:
> > Thomas <vari...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Do people generally list surnames on here to see if others are searching
> >>for the same?
> >
> > There used to be a rather useful way of listing surnames you are interested in
> > in "Tiny Tafels". These had a standard format that could be read by both
> > humans and computers, and there was a program that could read and
> > automatically match them, called Tiny Tafel Edit, by Chris Long.
> >
> > Un fortunately the program was written in Turbo Pascal, and TurboPascal has
> > never been updated to run on fast processors, so the program no longer works
> > unless you have an old computer with a < 500 Mhz processor. .
Say what?!? This is a highly unusual statement: A processor
can be too fast for the executable code. Some elaboration is
in order.
Thomas
Actually, I used to see this all of the time. During the 90's when
processors were moving up the mhz ladder, older games, such as those of
the Asteroids era when played on even a 200mhz machine would run so fast
you could barely see what was happening. I'll never forget a game where
you were supposed to wait for someone to throw a baby out of a burning
building and bounce the baby 3 times with your trampoline held by two
firemen. Because the game was written in such a way, the baby would
bounce across the screen in about 3/4 of a second. Running on a much
older machine, it would have taken about 4 seconds.
Wes Groleau
> Un fortunately the program was written in Turbo Pascal, and TurboPascal has
> never been updated to run on fast processors, so the program no longer works
> unless you have an old computer with a < 500 Mhz processor. .
>
> I wish someone would produce an updated version.
Where could I find the source? It's trivial to translate Pascal
into Ada, Eiffel, or another version of Pascal. Almost trivial
to put it in perl, PHP, SQL, .....
--
Wes Groleau
Nutrition for Blokes: Re-engineering your diet for life
http://www.NorthwestAllenTrails.org/QG/
Joe Makowiec
> Say what?!? This is a highly unusual statement: A processor
> can be too fast for the executable code. Some elaboration is
> in order.
It wasn't uncommon. Foxpro (FP) comes to mind. There was a version of
The Master Genealogist[1], which is based on FP, which needed a little
utility program in order to run on a faster processor - maybe a 386? The
situation went away when an updated version of TMG came out based on a
newer version of FP.
One example: http://www.dbforums.com/archive/index.php/t-405245.html
[1] You see how we brought this back on topic?
--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe
Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org/
Jeff
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:56:02 -0500, Thomas <vari...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> Do people generally list surnames on here to see if others are searching
>> for the same?
>
> There used to be a rather useful way of listing surnames you are interested in
> in "Tiny Tafels". These had a standard format that could be read by both
> humans and computers, and there was a program that could read and
> automatically match them, called Tiny Tafel Edit, by Chris Long.
>
> Un fortunately the program was written in Turbo Pascal, and TurboPascal has
> never been updated to run on fast processors, so the program no longer works
> unless you have an old computer with a < 500 Mhz processor. .
>
I seem to recall there used to be a surnames NG requiring names to be
entered in TT format.
There is the Rootsweb Surname List at http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
which requires a somewhat stylised format (altho' much less than TT)
That site lists 1.2 million surnames - always worth a look and worth
posting your names there.
More info and the formatting req'ts are at:
http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/rsl6.html
Steve Hayes
(Everett M. Greene) wrote:
>> > Un fortunately the program was written in Turbo Pascal, and TurboPascal has
>> > never been updated to run on fast processors, so the program no longer works
>> > unless you have an old computer with a < 500 Mhz processor. .
>
>Say what?!? This is a highly unusual statement: A processor
>can be too fast for the executable code. Some elaboration is
>in order.
I'm not enough of a hacker to be able to elaborate.
Some older programs written in Turbno Pascal don't work with fast processors.
The Turbo Basic compiler doesn't work with fast processors either.
Perhaps some computer fundis can explain.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes
wrote:
>Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>>
>> Un fortunately the program was written in Turbo Pascal, and TurboPascal has
>> never been updated to run on fast processors,
>
>http://www.freepascal.org/
Thanks -- now all we have to do is locate the original author of the program,
Christopher Long, and persuade him to either release a new version, or relese
the source code into "open source" so that others can compile it.
Steve Hayes
>Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:56:02 -0500, Thomas <vari...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do people generally list surnames on here to see if others are searching
>>> for the same?
>>
>> There used to be a rather useful way of listing surnames you are interested in
>> in "Tiny Tafels". These had a standard format that could be read by both
>> humans and computers, and there was a program that could read and
>> automatically match them, called Tiny Tafel Edit, by Chris Long.
>>
>> Un fortunately the program was written in Turbo Pascal, and TurboPascal has
>> never been updated to run on fast processors, so the program no longer works
>> unless you have an old computer with a < 500 Mhz processor. .
>>
>
>I seem to recall there used to be a surnames NG requiring names to be
>entered in TT format.
There was a Fidonet echo that actually did distributed processing on TTs - it
would be passed from one BBS to another and they would eventually send a
matching report to the sender.
But this program allowed people to do their own local matching on their own
computer.
>There is the Rootsweb Surname List at http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
>which requires a somewhat stylised format (altho' much less than TT)
>
>That site lists 1.2 million surnames - always worth a look and worth
>posting your names there.
Yes, that do, but it doesn't do aoutomated matching like the Tiny Tafel
system, as far as Iknow.
Steve Hayes
wrote:
No, it doesn't differ.
What the program does (when it runs) is to format the data in a standard form
(as you see above), which can be posted in newsgroups and other forums if you
want to show your surnam,e interests, but you can also copy other people's
Tiny Tafels (TTs) and let the computer find matches.
Some lineage linked genealogy programs can (or could) produce TTs, which could
then be edited and refined using the Tiny Tafel editor.
Everett M. Greene
> Everett M. Greene wrote:
> > Peter J Seymour <mo...@pjsey.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >> Steve Hayes wrote:
> >>> Thomas <vari...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Do people generally list surnames on here to see if others are searching
> >>>> for the same?
> >>> There used to be a rather useful way of listing surnames you are interested in
> >>> in "Tiny Tafels". These had a standard format that could be read by both
> >>> humans and computers, and there was a program that could read and
> >>> automatically match them, called Tiny Tafel Edit, by Chris Long.
> >>>
> >>> never been updated to run on fast processors, so the program no longer works
> >>> unless you have an old computer with a < 500 Mhz processor. .
> >
> > Say what?!? This is a highly unusual statement: A processor
> > can be too fast for the executable code. Some elaboration is
> > in order.
>
> Actually, I used to see this all of the time. During the 90's when
> processors were moving up the mhz ladder, older games, such as those of
> the Asteroids era when played on even a 200mhz machine would run so fast
> you could barely see what was happening. I'll never forget a game where
> you were supposed to wait for someone to throw a baby out of a burning
> building and bounce the baby 3 times with your trampoline held by two
> firemen. Because the game was written in such a way, the baby would
> bounce across the screen in about 3/4 of a second. Running on a much
> older machine, it would have taken about 4 seconds.
That's not a matter of the programs not running on a faster
processor. That's just poorly impemented programs that run
too fast to represent "realtime" on faster machines.
Jeff
>
> Yes, that do, but it doesn't do aoutomated matching like the Tiny Tafel
> system, as far as Iknow.
>
>
Correct.It doesn't. I find on my less common names it pays me to visit
once per month.
When teaching newbies I always suggest that list as the 2nd step after GOONS
singhals
May be, but it was tough back in 1985 to write a program for
a 2008 computer. UNcompiling code to change it now is
generally speaking more bother than it's worth.
CHeryl
Everett M. Greene
> a 2008 computer. Uncompiling code to change it now is
> generally speaking more bother than it's worth.
The latter statement is correct, but the discussion is about
whether processors are now too fast to execute earlier programs.
As long as the instruction sets of the processors are upward
compatible, there's no reason for a program to not execute on
a faster processor regardless of how fast the processor. The
main consequence of faster processors is having more cycles
per unit of realtime to waste doing nothing...
singhals
I understood /that./
> As long as the instruction sets of the processors are upward
> compatible, there's no reason for a program to not execute on
?? I must've missed that session. I can do backward compat
but I didn't realize forward compat was do-able, since it
requires foreknowledge of advances in the state-of-the-art.
Cheryl
Wes Groleau
>> whether processors are now too fast to execute earlier programs.
If the program, or the compiler, does time-sensitive tasks
in a stupid way, it may not work on a faster processor.
Or if it does multitasking/multithreading in a stupid way,
it may get race conditions or deadlocks that it didn't get before.
Otherwise, it merely runs faster.
--
Wes Groleau
"There are more people worthy of blame
than there is blame to go around."
singhals
>>> The latter statement is correct, but the discussion is about
>>> whether processors are now too fast to execute earlier programs.
>
>
> If the program, or the compiler, does time-sensitive tasks
> in a stupid way, it may not work on a faster processor.
>
> Or if it does multitasking/multithreading in a stupid way,
> it may get race conditions or deadlocks that it didn't get before.
>
> Otherwise, it merely runs faster.
>
(G) I've got a couple BASIC programs that run so fast on an
Intel P-100 they're a blur; on anything faster'n that, you
go straight from [enter] to "More/Quit" in one giant step.
Cheryl
Everett M. Greene
> Everett M. Greene wrote:
> > singhals <sing...@erols.com> writes:
> >>Everett M. Greene wrote:
> >>>Thomas <vari...@gmx.com> writes:
> >>>>Actually, I used to see this all of the time. During the 90's when
> >>>>processors were moving up the mhz ladder, older games, such as those of
> >>>>the Asteroids era when played on even a 200mhz machine would run so fast
> >>>>you could barely see what was happening. I'll never forget a game where
> >>>>you were supposed to wait for someone to throw a baby out of a burning
> >>>>building and bounce the baby 3 times with your trampoline held by two
> >>>>firemen. Because the game was written in such a way, the baby would
> >>>>bounce across the screen in about 3/4 of a second. Running on a much
> >>>>older machine, it would have taken about 4 seconds.
> >>>
> >>>That's not a matter of the programs not running on a faster
> >>>processor. That's just poorly impemented programs that run
> >>>too fast to represent "realtime" on faster machines.
> >>
> >>May be, but it was tough back in 1985 to write a program for
> >>a 2008 computer. Uncompiling code to change it now is
> >>generally speaking more bother than it's worth.
> >
> > The latter statement is correct, but the discussion is about
> > whether processors are now too fast to execute earlier programs.
>
> I understood /that./
>
> > As long as the instruction sets of the processors are upward
> > compatible, there's no reason for a program to not execute on
>
> ?? I must've missed that session. I can do backward compat
> but I didn't realize forward compat was do-able, since it
> requires foreknowledge of advances in the state-of-the-art.
The Intel X86 processors still execute the instructions that
existed ever since day 1. Upward compatibility is a function
of the IC manufacturer, not the programmer. There's been an
extended discussion in another newsgroup in recent days about
people making continued use of DOS programs that have been in
existence for many years and they will coninue to be used for
many years to come.
singhals
Through a series of circumstances that don't matter here, I
was watching an unknown TV program from CD yesterday with my
son's brother-in-law's girl-friend. The characters went to
a computer, typed something, and the camera focused in on a
DOS screen doing a "type | more" She and I stared from the
screen to one another and back, and then burst out laughing.
She's too young to have actually used DOS but she sure
recognized the screen display!
Cheryl
JJ206
Often a windows user can right click on a program icon for an old family
tree software program say.... and choose properties and then choose the
compatibility tab. There are some options there to run the software in
different ways and slower ways. My XP system has the option of running
old programs that used to work on Win 95 systems.
Jonathan M.
singhals
Most of my old DOS programs pre-date win3.1.
Cheryl
shmar...@ticnet.com
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008, singhals wrote:
>
> Through a series of circumstances that don't matter here, I
> was watching an unknown TV program from CD yesterday with my
> son's brother-in-law's girl-friend. The characters went to
> a computer, typed something, and the camera focused in on a
> DOS screen doing a "type | more" She and I stared from the
> screen to one another and back, and then burst out laughing.
> She's too young to have actually used DOS but she sure
> recognized the screen display!
>
> Cheryl
Several years ago I was watching a show and it showed them using "kermit"
to do some file transfers.
I still use DOS for WordPerfect 5.1 (best word processor ever written) and
for my Brotherskeeper genealogy program (and yes I know there are umpteen
updates for Windows)
Steve
singhals
File under the heading: Isn't broke, don't fix it. (g)
Seems to me you were part of the "rumble" when someone came
out in public and said any working program over 6 months old
was obsolete and needed to be rewritten? These days, the
developers appear to believe any code over 6 months old
needs rewriting, whether it is or will work.
I've got a lot of programs I need maybe once or twice a
year, and every time I open one of these, it checks for an
update which changes something and wastes maybe two working
days until I figure out why x isn't doing what it did. Bah. (g)
Cheryl
singhals
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:06:46 -0500, shmar...@ticnet.com sharpened a
> new quill and scratched:
> before that I used Lotus 123 and a wordprocessor even older than
> Wordperfect, which I never liked. I still use DataEase as my database
> though, don't like Access at all.
>
WordStar? Annoying program, that. I preferred something
called PCWrite, which did 100% of what I _needed_ to do and
95% of what I /wanted/ to do without giving me any lip about
it. More'n I can say about any other word-processing
program I ever used.
Cheryl
Robert Melson
everything but wind the clock and put the cat out.
Senescent Ol' Bob
--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable
reason so few engage in it. -- Henry Ford
bi...@harrisongenealogy.co.uk
That takes me back a bit .... anybody remember Concurrent DOS as an OS ?
regards
Bill
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> GENCMP-...@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
Robert Melson
<bi...@harrisongenealogy.co.uk> writes:
> Bloody Hell ....
>
> That takes me back a bit .... anybody remember Concurrent DOS as an OS ?
>
> regards
>
> Bill
>
Let's join Peabody and his pet boy Sherman in the
Wayback Machine and:
Not only that but DR DOS and M/PM.
singhals
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:11:29 -0400, singhals <sing...@erols.com>
> sharpened a new quill and scratched:
>
> ---> bobbit>
>
>>File under the heading: Isn't broke, don't fix it. (g)
>>
>>Seems to me you were part of the "rumble" when someone came
>>out in public and said any working program over 6 months old
>>was obsolete and needed to be rewritten? These days, the
>>developers appear to believe any code over 6 months old
>>needs rewriting, whether it is or will work.
>
>
> There is still at least one High Street financial institution using
> the DataEase engine as their system. A program that can take little
> room up on a 5.1/4" floppy and works at lightning speed under DOS
>
>
Companies were familiar with and TRUSTED their "legacy"
COBOL programs and were willing to pay extremely well to
ensure they kept running (at least until 2026)!
>>I've got a lot of programs I need maybe once or twice a
>>year, and every time I open one of these, it checks for an
>>update which changes something and wastes maybe two working
>>days until I figure out why x isn't doing what it did. Bah. (g)
>
>
> There doesn't seem a day gone by when my system tells me there's an
> upgrade. The result being that this old machine runs slower and
> slower.
>
I hear you.
> My next computer is going to have massive memory (compared to this
> one) and won't ever connect to the Internet, should last me for the
> rest of my days that way LOL
I'm lobbying for a whole T of HD next time around. I'm
meeting some resistance from he-who, though. There's some
issue of backing it up onto WHAT? ;)
Cheryl
Ian Goddard
>
> I'm lobbying for a whole T of HD next time around. I'm meeting some
> resistance from he-who, though. There's some issue of backing it up
> onto WHAT? ;)
Another one, of course.
Disk capacities have been running far ahead of tape for years. I think
D2D backup is quite often used in data centres these days, probably for
speed as well as capacity. The assumption is that you're not likely to
have 2 disk failures at the same time assuming the backup can be taken
off-line and stored remotely.
Last time I was looking for disks on ebay I found at least one 1T unit
on offer.
--
Ian
Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard
at nildram co uk
Hugh Watkins
just seen a 1 TG drive on summer sale at MAPLINS Erdington
Hugh W
bi...@harrisongenealogy.co.uk
Remember DR DOS but what is M/PM ... the only thing about M/PM I remember is
in Algebra ........... a long time ago !
Don't know if you are the same but I have a copy of the DOS manual which is
about 1 1/2 inches thick .... VERY useful !
regards
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Melson" <mel...@aragorn.rgmhome.net>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.computing
To: <gen...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Suirname listings
Joe Makowiec
> I'm lobbying for a whole T of HD next time around. I'm
> meeting some resistance from he-who, though. There's some
> issue of backing it up onto WHAT? ;)
The multi-T server or Network Attached Storage (NAS) device?
--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe
Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org/
Charles Ellson
<godd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>singhals wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm lobbying for a whole T of HD next time around. I'm meeting some
>> resistance from he-who, though. There's some issue of backing it up
>> onto WHAT? ;)
>
>Another one, of course.
>
>Disk capacities have been running far ahead of tape for years. I think
>D2D backup is quite often used in data centres these days, probably for
>speed as well as capacity. The assumption is that you're not likely to
>have 2 disk failures at the same time assuming the backup can be taken
>off-line and stored remotely.
>
ITYF it often is assumed that 2 disks can fail at the same time (or be
destroyed consecutively by a computer's faulty PSU) as IMU a minimum
of three copies is regarded as the least that should be used. The "2
disks" method is fairly bombproof as long as a third copy exists but
not necessarily in the same format (e.g. regular CD/DVD backups)). The
whole lot fails if all the disks can be destroyed in the same mishap
and/or it isn't verified that the backups are readable and complete.
Rod Ellis
"Kay Robinson" <Kay_Ro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:QBBiSFpTjgGfUD...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:54:15 -0700, JJ206
>
> I'm still using Brothers Keeper V5 with no problems at all. Originally
> purchased back when I had Win 3.1 it's never let me down.
>
> Kay
>
> - - -
Hi
I thought I was the only one still using BK5. I too find it excellent and
am reluctant to upgrade to the windows versions due to the amount of
information stored in the DOS program. Guess I am frightened of losing
over10 years of work.
The only gripe that I do have with it is trying to find a way to print to my
printer through the USB port. If any can help, that would be appreciated.
Cheers to all
Rod
tim sewell
"Charles Ellson" <cha...@ellson.demon.co.uk> wrote
> ITYF it often is assumed that 2 disks can fail at the same time (or be
> destroyed consecutively by a computer's faulty PSU)
Yes, indeed; and not necessarily due to a failing PSU.
Some time ago I was "backing up" from my primary HD to my secondary HD when
a failing HD controller on my motherboard started to corrupt the file system
on both disks, rendering unreadable any partition to which it was writing.
Since then my backup strategy has been improved somewhat.
Cheers,
Tim S.
Ian Goddard
> Hi O'l Bob
>
> Remember DR DOS but what is M/PM ... the only thing about M/PM I remember is
> in Algebra ........... a long time ago !
>
A multi-user version of C/PM IIRC.
Ian Goddard
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:35:08 +0100, Ian Goddard
> <godd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> singhals wrote:
>>
>>> I'm lobbying for a whole T of HD next time around. I'm meeting some
>>> resistance from he-who, though. There's some issue of backing it up
>>> onto WHAT? ;)
>> Another one, of course.
>>
>> Disk capacities have been running far ahead of tape for years. I think
>> D2D backup is quite often used in data centres these days, probably for
>> speed as well as capacity. The assumption is that you're not likely to
>> have 2 disk failures at the same time assuming the backup can be taken
>> off-line and stored remotely.
>>
> ITYF it often is assumed that 2 disks can fail at the same time (or be
> destroyed consecutively by a computer's faulty PSU) as IMU a minimum
> of three copies is regarded as the least that should be used. The "2
> disks" method is fairly bombproof as long as a third copy exists but
Quite. I never said how many other ones you'd need. If you're being
paranoid you'd certainly need at least 2 generations of backup. And
I've always held that paranoia is en essential requirement for a DBA.
> not necessarily in the same format (e.g. regular CD/DVD backups)). The
So that would be 240 DVDs to back up the 1Tb drive.
> whole lot fails if all the disks can be destroyed in the same mishap
"taken off-line and stored remotely."
--
Steve Hayes
wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:11:29 -0400, singhals <sing...@erols.com>
>sharpened a new quill and scratched:
>
>---> bobbit>
>
>>File under the heading: Isn't broke, don't fix it. (g)
>>
>>Seems to me you were part of the "rumble" when someone came
>>out in public and said any working program over 6 months old
>>was obsolete and needed to be rewritten? These days, the
>>developers appear to believe any code over 6 months old
>>needs rewriting, whether it is or will work.
>
>There is still at least one High Street financial institution using
>the DataEase engine as their system. A program that can take little
>room up on a 5.1/4" floppy and works at lightning speed under DOS
I still use XyWrite III+ for much word processing stuff.
It used to run at lightning speed on an 8 Mhz machine under DOS, and fit of na
floppy.
It runs slower on a 1.5 Ghz machine under Windows XP though.
That's progress as the computer world knows it. Build a faster processor, and
Microsoft will build enough bloatware to slow it to a crawl.
But my copncern is that TTEdit won't run at all.
Is there any computer fundi I can send it to who could try to reverse-engineer
it as a service to the genealogical fraternity?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes
wrote:
>Steve Hayes wrote:
>> Un fortunately the program was written in Turbo Pascal, and TurboPascal has
>> never been updated to run on fast processors, so the program no longer works
>> unless you have an old computer with a < 500 Mhz processor. .
>>
>> I wish someone would produce an updated version.
>
>Where could I find the source? It's trivial to translate Pascal
>into Ada, Eiffel, or another version of Pascal. Almost trivial
>to put it in perl, PHP, SQL, .....
I wish I know. The author was Christopher Lon
FWIW when I try to run it now I get:
Runtime error 200 at 2B65:0091.
--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
Everett M. Greene
> singhals wrote:
>
> > I'm lobbying for a whole T of HD next time around. I'm meeting some
> > resistance from he-who, though. There's some issue of backing it up
> > onto WHAT? ;)
>
> Another one, of course.
>
> Disk capacities have been running far ahead of tape for years. I think
> D2D backup is quite often used in data centres these days, probably for
> speed as well as capacity. The assumption is that you're not likely to
> have 2 disk failures at the same time assuming the backup can be taken
> off-line and stored remotely.
>
> on offer.
Finding the super-sized drives isn't that much a problem
these days. More of a problem is finding smaller drives.
My main machine runs very nicely with a 100 Mbyte drive
but you can't find those for the last several years so I
have a multi-Gbyte drive installed and using a (small)
fraction of its space.
Charles Ellson
<godd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Charles Ellson wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:35:08 +0100, Ian Goddard
>> <godd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> singhals wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm lobbying for a whole T of HD next time around. I'm meeting some
>>>> resistance from he-who, though. There's some issue of backing it up
>>>> onto WHAT? ;)
>>> Another one, of course.
>>>
>>> Disk capacities have been running far ahead of tape for years. I think
>>> D2D backup is quite often used in data centres these days, probably for
>>> speed as well as capacity. The assumption is that you're not likely to
>>> have 2 disk failures at the same time assuming the backup can be taken
>>> off-line and stored remotely.
>>>
>> ITYF it often is assumed that 2 disks can fail at the same time (or be
>> destroyed consecutively by a computer's faulty PSU) as IMU a minimum
>> of three copies is regarded as the least that should be used. The "2
>> disks" method is fairly bombproof as long as a third copy exists but
>
>Quite. I never said how many other ones you'd need. If you're being
>paranoid you'd certainly need at least 2 generations of backup. And
>I've always held that paranoia is en essential requirement for a DBA.
>
>> not necessarily in the same format (e.g. regular CD/DVD backups)). The
>
>So that would be 240 DVDs to back up the 1Tb drive.
>
More for the incremental backups than the complete ones. Unless
they're doing something on an industrial scale then it is unlikely the
average user is going to get through many "plastic" disks during the
year. The ongoing reduction of cost per Gbyte of HDDs has certainly
made them a practical option for large-scale backups for many
non-business users.
>> whole lot fails if all the disks can be destroyed in the same mishap
>
>"taken off-line and stored remotely."
>
.. but not all the backups in the same place.
Rod Ellis
Thanks for the reply.
Yes, I do have the free version and it will print via the LPT1 or 2 ports to
a dot matrix printer but I would like it to print via the USB to the Cannon.
I can make a file of the data onto the hard-drive then print from there but
I am trying to save myself a step. Getting lazy I thinks!!
Cheers
Rod
"Kay Robinson" <Kay_Ro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:V0NkSOErBJWNs22h+67=FKbe...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:41:43 +1000, "Rod Ellis"
> <rodell...@yahoo.com.au> sharpened a new quill and scratched:
> I have no problem doing that. Are you using the free version? That if
> I recall didn't allow printing. I find it's eminently suitable for
> fast input and has the fastest search I've seen so far on any
> genealogy program.
>
> Kay
>
> - - -
>
> All replies to newsgroup thank you
> --------------------------------------------
> A good end cannot sanctify evil, nor must
> we ever do evil that good may come of it.
> Force may subdue, but Love gains, and he
> that forgives first wins the laurel.
>
> William Penn 1644-1718
> -----------------------------------------
> Kay Robinson
> Give all you can, Take only what you need
JJ206
> JJ206 wrote:
>> Often a windows user can right click on a program icon for an old
>> family tree software program say.... and choose properties and then
>> choose the
>> compatibility tab. There are some options there to run the software in
>> different ways and slower ways. My XP system has the option of running
>> old programs that used to work on Win 95 systems.
>>
>> Jonathan M.
>
> Most of my old DOS programs pre-date win3.1.
>
> Cheryl
Now I 'know' you are just showing off mad computer skills ! *smiles*
Jonathan M.
singhals
Jeez, no. There are numerous folk here who have longer
experience.
Cheryl
Charles Ellson
<Kay_Ro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:20:48 +1000, "Rod Ellis"
><rodell...@yahoo.com.au> sharpened a new quill and scratched:
>
>>"Kay Robinson" <Kay_Ro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:V0NkSOErBJWNs22h+67=FKbe...@4ax.com...
>
>>> I have no problem doing that. Are you using the free version? That if
>>> I recall didn't allow printing. I find it's eminently suitable for
>>> fast input and has the fastest search I've seen so far on any
>>> genealogy program.
>>>
>>> Kay
>
>>Hello Kay,
>>
>>Thanks for the reply.
>>
>>Yes, I do have the free version and it will print via the LPT1 or 2 ports to
>>a dot matrix printer but I would like it to print via the USB to the Cannon.
>>I can make a file of the data onto the hard-drive then print from there but
>>I am trying to save myself a step. Getting lazy I thinks!!
>>
>>Cheers
>
>I would have thought that if you can print to LPT1 and/or 2 but not
>USB it'd be a hardware problem. Are you running BK5 under Windows? I
>found that I had to pay for the registered version in order to print
>out.
>
IIRC the trouble boils down to a lack of the DOS drivers necessary to
deal with the USB ports.
The matter is dealt with by :-
http://geekswithblogs.net/dtotzke/articles/26204.aspx
http://www.dosprn.com/
http://www.printfil.com/article/print-from-dos-to-windows-only-printers.htm
and others to be found by Googling for
+dos +usb +print
I upgraded to the Windoze version of BK some time ago, mainly due to
the limitations on the notes and images associated with each record.
As long as you make and verify "final" backups of the DOS version you
should be safe. The DOS version does not need to be removed before
installing the Windows version so you can refer back to it for the
probably small number of details (mainly data in customised fields
IIRC) which might not transfer complete with labels. Data not fitting
the default format of the Windows version should be found in the notes
field(s) of the associated person. Images are best copied (not
"moved") into the new installation's images sub-directory so that any
change to the DOS version does not affect the Windows version and vice
versa.
Steve Hayes
I can't print from DOS programs to LPT1 either.
I have to print to file, then open the file in a Windows program and print
that.
Charles Ellson
That doesn't sound right, I had the DOS version of BK working within
Windows before I was using the Windoze version.
>I have to print to file, then open the file in a Windows program and print
>that.
Which printer are you using ? IIRC it might only work if BK thinks it
is printing to an Epson or IBM dot matrix printer and the attached
printer works in that mode if it is fed "raw" ASCII. ISTR that was how
my HP 320 seemed to work. Possibly you might be stuffed with some
Windows-only printers ?
Steve Hayes
Most printers you buy nowadays seem to be "Windows only".
Everett M. Greene
> Steve Hayes <haye...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> >I can't print from DOS programs to LPT1 either.
> That doesn't sound right, I had the DOS version of BK working within
> Windows before I was using the Windoze version.
Which version of Windoze?
> > I have to print to file, then open the file in a Windows
> > program and print that.
> Which printer are you using ? IIRC it might only work if BK thinks it
> is printing to an Epson or IBM dot matrix printer and the attached
> printer works in that mode if it is fed "raw" ASCII. ISTR that was how
> my HP 320 seemed to work. Possibly you might be stuffed with some
> Windows-only printers ?
Most printers today are USB and don't know from nothin'
as to what they are connected. Windoze XP (and probably
Vista) have no method for simply printing directly to a
printer. The old DOS "PRINT" command and copying a file
to "LPT1:" have been removed/disabled.
Charles Ellson
(Everett M. Greene) wrote:
>Charles Ellson <cha...@ellson.demon.co.uk> writes:
>> Steve Hayes <haye...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>[snip]
>> >I can't print from DOS programs to LPT1 either.
>
>> That doesn't sound right, I had the DOS version of BK working within
>> Windows before I was using the Windoze version.
>
>Which version of Windoze?
>
95, 98 and (maybe?) XP.
>> > I have to print to file, then open the file in a Windows
>> > program and print that.
>> Which printer are you using ? IIRC it might only work if BK thinks it
>> is printing to an Epson or IBM dot matrix printer and the attached
>> printer works in that mode if it is fed "raw" ASCII. ISTR that was how
>> my HP 320 seemed to work. Possibly you might be stuffed with some
>> Windows-only printers ?
>
>Most printers today are USB and don't know from nothin'
>as to what they are connected. Windoze XP (and probably
>Vista) have no method for simply printing directly to a
>printer. The old DOS "PRINT" command and copying a file
>to "LPT1:" have been removed/disabled.
>
DOS "Print" is in the /<windows directory>/system32/ directory.
At least one alleged tweak seems to work by treating the printer as a
network device even if it is a local printer. My local computer has a
USB printer but when I first had XP I used to print to an HP 320 in
another room.
Everett M. Greene
> (Everett M. Greene) wrote:
> >Charles Ellson <cha...@ellson.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >> Steve Hayes <haye...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >[snip]
> >> >I can't print from DOS programs to LPT1 either.
> >
> >> That doesn't sound right, I had the DOS version of BK working within
> >> Windows before I was using the Windoze version.
> >
> >Which version of Windoze?
> >
>
> >> > program and print that.
> >> Which printer are you using ? IIRC it might only work if BK thinks it
> >> is printing to an Epson or IBM dot matrix printer and the attached
> >> printer works in that mode if it is fed "raw" ASCII. ISTR that was how
> >> my HP 320 seemed to work. Possibly you might be stuffed with some
> >> Windows-only printers ?
> >
> >Most printers today are USB and don't know from nothin'
> >as to what they are connected. Windoze XP (and probably
> >Vista) have no method for simply printing directly to a
> >printer. The old DOS "PRINT" command and copying a file
> >to "LPT1:" have been removed/disabled.
> DOS "Print" is in the /<windows directory>/system32/ directory.
But if you try using it, you get no action.
> At least one alleged tweak seems to work by treating the printer as a
> network device even if it is a local printer. My local computer has a
> USB printer but when I first had XP I used to print to an HP 320 in
> another room.
That sounds like a stunt MS would pull -- you can't print
to a local printer but you can add a second computer and
then print on the printer attached to the second computer.
Rod Ellis
Thanks to all that have replied.. I will try some of the suggestions but
maybe it is time to upgrade to the windows based system of BK but make a
backup copy (three times) haha. of the DOS program/data.
I have to print to file, then open the file in a Windows program and print
that also at present and that seems to work fine but it would be nice to
eleininate that step.
Cheers and thanks to all
Rod
"Everett M. Greene" <moj...@mojaveg.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> wrote in message
news:20080702.7...@mojaveg.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...