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Zakanaka

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Zimbabwe, the land of dying children
Mugabe has ruined his country with policies that are killing thousands,
writes RW Johnson in Harare

Suffer the little children is a phrase never far from your mind in today's
Zimbabwe. The horde of painfully thin street children milling around you at
traffic lights is almost the least of it: in a population now down to 11m or
less there are an estimated 1.3m orphans.

Go to one of the overflowing cemeteries in Bulawayo or Beit Bridge and you
are struck by the long lines of tiny graves for babies and toddlers.

A game ranger friend tells me that hyena attacks on humans, previously
unheard of, have become increasingly common. "So many babies, not all of
them dead, are being dumped in the bush that hyenas have developed a taste
for human flesh," he explains.

Under the weight of the general economic meltdown - the economy has shrunk
by 40% since 2000 and is still contracting - the health system has collapsed
and a populace now weakened by five consecutive years of near-starvation
dies of things which would never have been fatal before. A staggering 42,000
women died in childbirth last year, for example, compared with fewer than
1,000 a decade ago.

A vast human cull is under way in Zimbabwe and the great majority of deaths
are a direct result of deliberate government policies. Ignored by the United
Nations, it is a genocide perhaps 10 times greater than Darfur's and more
than twice as large as Rwanda's.

Genocide is not a word one should use hastily but the situation is exactly
as described in the UN Convention on Genocide, which defines it as
"deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring
about its physical destruction in whole or in part".

Reckoning the death toll is difficult. Had demographic growth continued
normally, Zimbabwe's population would have passed 15m by 2000 and 18m by the
end of 2006. But people have fled the country in enormous numbers, with 3m
heading for South Africa and an estimated further 1m scattered around the
world. This would suggest a current population of 14m. But even the
government, which tries to make light of the issue, says that there are only
12m left in Zimbabwe.

Social scientists say that the government's figures are clearly rigged and
too high. Their own population estimates vary between 8m and 11m. But even
if one accepted the government figure, 2m people are "missing", and the real
number is probably 3m or more. And all this is happening in what was, until
recently, one of Africa's most prosperous states and a member of the
Commonwealth.

When I visited Zimbabwe in 1997 it was still the breadbasket of southern
Africa and you could read letters in the local papers from members of the
well- educated black middle class complaining, for example, that a floral
roundabout was not being properly maintained.

Such innocence abruptly vanished after 2000, when President Robert Mugabe
launched farm invasions and a political terror campaign to counter a rising
tide of opposition. Since Mugabe forbade entry to foreign journalists,
getting in at all became increasingly tricky.

With fuel shortages routine, I drove in at remote border points in a car
jammed to the brim with cans of petrol - all I needed was a cigarette
lighter to be a pretty effective suicide bomber. In 2002 I watched a
half-hour programme about myself on state television: apparently I was the
evil genius behind the entire opposition movement.

Thereafter my visits had perforce to be real undercover affairs. Each time
the situation was far worse than before and more and more things did not
work - this time, even mobile phones did not. Happily, this makes
surveillance harder.

In Bulawayo I was approached by a man claiming to seek Mugabe's violent
overthrow and wondering whether I could arrange CIA assistance. Since such
talk would normally mean arrest and torture, it was a simple decision to
treat him as a secret police agent provocateur.

Bulawayo, capital of Matabeleland, is a virtual ghost town, its wide and
gracious streets sparsely peopled even at midday, for emigration and
starvation have drained its lifeblood.

Matabeleland, always the centre of opposition to Mugabe, was the first to
experience his iron fist in the mid-1980s and has taken more terrible
punishment in recent years. Last year, in common with the rest of the
country, it was the target of Operation Murambatsvina (Shona for "drive out
the filth") in which the police and army destroyed shanty towns and cracked
down on informal traders after Mugabe decreed that they needed to be
forcibly "re-ruralised" to regain their peasant roots. All told, some 2m
people were affected.

Just what that meant becomes clear from the study carried out by the
Reverend Albert Chatindo, whose parish, Killarney, lies on Bulawayo's
northern side. Here 217 families (1,300 people) whose houses had been
demolished crowded into his church hall - only for the army to descend upon
them again, load them into trucks and dump them in the middle of the bush
without food or shelter.

Chatindo spent more than a year tracking them down to discover their fate. A
few made it back to Killarney but half are dead, the children from exposure
and malnutrition. Many of the adults, especially the men, were so dazed with
despair that they ceased to function in a situation where only the most
energetic and resourceful had much chance of surviving.

Others tell me in hushed tones of the latest atrocity, Operation Maguta
(live well), prompted by a shortfall in maize production since the
commercial farms were invaded and destroyed. Under Maguta, the army descends
on villagers to compel them to grow maize and sorghum, which they must then
sell to the army-run Grain Marketing Board.

In Matabeleland - where maize does not grow well - the army has gone in
hard, beating peasants who resist, raping wives and daughters, and chopping
down orchards and tearing up vegetable patches in their determination to
allow no competing crops. Maguta, with its echoes of Stalin's campaign
against the kulaks (Russia's relatively wealthy peasants), is already
producing more misery, starvation and death.

The only people brave enough to talk to me about what is going on preface
everything with "but you can't quote me". The only exception is Pius Ncube,
the Catholic Archbishop of Matabeleland, whose outspoken critique of the
Mugabe regime has earned him death threats.

When I go to his house behind the cathedral he speaks in a flat monotone,
without looking at me, almost as if soliloquising or speaking to history. He
strikes me as a man driven to the limits of exhaustion both by his punishing
workload in the 40C heat and his own deep depression.

Given the terrible death toll, I ask him about the infamous statement by
Mugabe's henchman (and secret police boss), Didymus Mutasa, in 2002, that
"we would be better off with only 6m people, with our own who support the
liberation struggle. We don't want all these extra people".

Is this a master plan, I ask? Is the government trying to reduce the
population? Ncube shakes his head slowly. "What is going on is truly evil
but I do not think they set out to kill people, it is just that they do not
care. Their only concern is to stay in power and enrich themselves and to
turn people into terrified, compliant subjects. Some public killing is
useful for that, of course. It frightens the rest.

"They have broken the confidence of the people. If you speak out, it is seen
as odd, even mad, for there is a brotherhood of silence.

"Only 20% of the people are now above the poverty line. We used to have 30%
unemployment but now it is 80% - there are more Zimbabweans working in South
Africa than are working in Zimbabwe, and the only thing that keeps us going
at all is the flow of remittances back from these migrants," he says.

"Proper burial has always been important in African society but now many
people have a pauper's burial - no coffins, no service, no relatives
present; the bodies are just thrown in a pit like cattle. Our young people
cannot think of marriage because they are poverty-stricken. So many are just
waiting to die. Some say to me there is no difference between life and
death, that life has lost all meaning.

"The women suffer the most. At a certain point the men just walk away but
the women are left with their children, watching them starve. We used to
have universal schooling but 50% of the children are now out of school
because the parents cannot afford even the smallest fees.

"Such children have no future. The only hope lies in the end of Mugabe. Some
people pray for him to die but they are very scared. In any meeting of 20
people there will always be two informers.

"Mugabe is a murderer and also a traitor - he is selling the country to the
Chinese. It is lonely to be the only one to say that," Ncube says. "People
tell me they pray for me but they are too frightened to speak out
themselves. For myself, I shall not stop speaking out. I am perfectly
willing to die."


To move on to Harare I have to take my chances on one of Zimbabwe Airways's
new Chinese MA-60 turboprops, planes that have already given endless
trouble. In line, I suppose, with Mugabe's "look East" policy, all the
safety instructions are in Mandarin. The plane seems to have been built for
very small and uncomplaining people who like a great deal of noise. After an
hour I am virtually deaf and my knees are almost too sore for me to walk.

Harare's northern suburbs are as beautiful as ever - tall trees, plants and
flowers and luxuriant birdlife. The death rate among four-footed wildlife
has rivalled that of humans these past few years as land invaders move on to
game reserves and massacre the animals. Nobody has been able to kill off the
birds.

But death is all around. As I drive through the suburbs I see inert bodies
lying on the kerb and in the grass, bodies which have not changed position
when I come back half an hour later.

If you stop, you sometimes find people in the last stages of an exhaustion
so complete that death seems not a different state but part of the same
continuum.

Down near a pond I see a little shelter nestling in the reeds. This turns
out to belong to Murambatsvina victims who have managed to walk back to town
after being dumped in the bush, and are now trying to hide from the police.
Be careful, friends advise: most of those people are sick or dying and have
no reason not to rob you. But the walking skeletons I saw were no threat to
anyone.

All round Harare people stand thumbing lifts, for the inflation rate of
1,050% means that a bus fare is now much the same as the average daily wage.
I give lifts all the time. I meet not a single black person who is not
mourning the loss of a relative or friend in the past month but, Harare
being the capital, one also sees the luxurious Mercedes and SUVs of the
ruling Zanu-PF elite and its business allies.

This group has actually turned hyperinflation to good account, using
political power to change money at the official rate and then playing the
currency black market to multiply it tenfold.

This tiny political elite still exudes self-righteousness. I notice that
none of the big cars ever gives lifts.

While I am in Harare the state media carry the news that Zanu-PF has decided
to extend Mugabe's presidency to 2010 (when he will be 86) and there is talk
of a life presidency. In fact they are reporting what Mugabe wanted the news
to be: the motion to extend his presidency was blocked.

I see Trudy Stevenson, an MP for the opposition Movement for Democratic
Change, who has carried out her own survey of Murambatsvina victims in
Harare's Hatcliffe Extension township, work that earned her a brutal assault
by Zanu-PF thugs from which she narrowly escaped with her life. Stevenson
estimates the death toll there at around a quarter.

I go out to Hatcliffe and talk to some of the survivors. One of them,
Philomena Makoni, tells me that her family had a legal lease for their
dwelling but this did not prevent the police from tearing it down.

"They came at night, shouting and yelling, made us get out of the house and
just levelled it to the ground. "Then we were carted off into the
countryside and dropped there. The president had said that people like us
had lost our roots and that we must rediscover them.

"My baby that I was nursing died - I had no food and could give her no milk.
We buried her in the bush. My other two children are terribly thin and sick.
"We walked all the way back to Hatcliffe, it was many miles, but things are
much harder even than before. My husband lost his job through being sent
away and we have no income.

"We are only alive because the churches give us some food, but I am very
frightened for my children. They are no longer in school and they are now
begging at the roadside. I cannot see what will become of us."

Like every black Zimbabwean I met, Makoni would like to leave the country
but is in effect trapped by her own poverty and weakness. Despite the
horrendous death toll, Archbishop Ncube is right. This is not a genocide
like that in Rwanda, where some 900,000 people were butchered in an orgy of
tribal hatred. Instead, the regime's key motive at every stage has simply
been its own maintenance of power.

From 2000 on, it destroyed commercial agriculture because it saw the white
farmers and their workers as opposition to Mugabe. This led to the first
wave of killing, as some 2.25m farm-workers and their families were thrown
off the farms, many after being beaten and tortured. An unknown number died.
The eviction had the effect of collapsing the economy and cutting the food
supply far below subsistence in every subsequent year.

What scarce food there was left, along with seeds, fertiliser, agricultural
implements and every other means to life, was made dependent on possession
of a Zanu-PF party card. Campaigns of terror followed in 2000 and 2002-03.
The population has since been kept in a continuous state of anxiety by a
series of military-style "operations", of which Murambatsvina and Maguta are
merely two particularly murderous examples.

Even Operation Sunrise - introducing a new currency last July - had its
casualties: many rural folk who failed to surrender their old notes in time
had their small savings wiped out.

"These operations remind the population who's boss," a Catholic priest told
me. "They remind people that they are subjects, not citizens. They keep them
off balance, terrified and compliant. "Believe me, Mugabe would win any
election he called in these conditions.

Of course, the regime knows it's hated, that it would never survive a
genuinely free election, so it practises continuous and overwhelming
intimidation." All these factors interact.

Some 29% of sexually active Zimbabweans are reckoned to be HIV-positive and
the economic collapse has devastated the health system and stopped the
distribution of anti-Aids drugs. Studies show that HIV-sufferers with severe
malnutrition are six times more likely to die than those who are properly
fed and have access to proper medication.

The Murambatsvina and Maguta campaigns - sharply increasing stress and
malnutrition - would be large killers, even if people did not die first of
exposure or starvation. As it is, with the Murambatsvina affecting 2m
people, the resulting death rate may be somewhere between the 50% reported
in Bulawayo and 25% in Harare.

Murambatsvina was also about staying in power: Mugabe realised that urban
shanty-dwellers were becoming restless and decided on a pre-emptive strike
against them. The political toll, plus Aids, in turn, have had a ruinous
effect on the rural economy, robbing it of productive labour and thus
dramatically reducing food security. The government ignores all this, blames
it on Tony Blair or flails against reality with the economics of the
madhouse.

Gideon Gono, governor of the central bank, orders in the Green Bombers
(young Zanu-PF thugs) to enforce his diktat and bakers are jailed for
exceeding the subeconomic bread price set by government. In this - as in the
programme for forced re-ruralisation - there are reminders of Cambodia's
Khmer Rouge.

World Health Organisation figures show that life expectancy in Zimbabwe,
which was 62 in 1990, had by 2004 plummeted to 37 for men and 34 for women.
These are by far the worst such figures in the world. Yet Zimbabwe does not
even get onto the UN agenda: South Africa's President Thabo Mbeki, who has
covered for Mugabe from the beginning, uses his leverage to prevent
discussion. How long this can go on is anyone's guess.

After Rwanda, the UN vowed "never again" but Mugabe - and, to a considerable
extent, Mbeki - have already been responsible for far more deaths than
Rwanda suffered and the number is fast heading into realms previously
explored only by Stalin, Mao and Adolf Eichmann.

Source: Sunday Times (UK)
URL: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2534805,00.html


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bigdude

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Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:

> 'Zakanaka' wrote in:

> Thanks to a worthless terrorist animal who still failed to get ousted and
> perhaps executed for crimes against humanity.

Every country has the government it deserves.
The american founding fathers had plenty to say about people who are
not prepared to fight for their rights..

bigD
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first world medicine only for countries with first world birth rates

ekke

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Jan 8, 2007, 5:36:52 PM1/8/07
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Ag shame
Dan stem hulle nog vir die bliksem.

Stupid people vote for stupid leaders.


kristy

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Another Saddam?

Mad
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skokkie

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"ekke" <fgfd@fgfg> wrote in message
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> Ag shame
> Dan stem hulle nog vir die bliksem.
>
> Stupid people vote for stupid leaders.
>

That oversimplistic statement displays the arrant ignorance inherent in smug
self righteous people like yourself. There is also denial.

Bob the Gob was initially enhanced in his rule by the Thatcher government of
the UK. Many Rhodesians who were working at the first free elections in 1981
were aware of fiddles thar were going on and the British bobbies who
observed the election admitted a few things when they left. All of the
elections since then have been rigged as a part of the mandate for this
behaviour that was given in 1981.

During the 1980's there was serious repression and the Ghukurahandi
massacres were reported to have killed over 30 000 people alone - more than
were killed in the bush war. European countries were silent about this and
thus silently endorsed it.

In the past, the democratic majority have actually drawn more votes than the
ruling Zanu PF, this in the face of brutal repression. The majority is soon
trimmed down by after the fact gerrymandering which includes the arbitrary
closing down of polling booths during the election, the deletion or
disqualification of entire polling stations from the national list, the
addition of 20 members of parliament selected by the president and not the
electorate. In addition to this, known opposition voters are deleted from
the voter's roll on an ongoing basis.

At the current time there is a militia that will come around and force one
of their HIV positive comrades to violently rape you if you complain.

The UN & the Brits put him there in the first place and kept quiet whilst he
strengthened his mandate to rule the country without tribalist division. (
AKA Eliminate the Matabele

If the statement that stupid people vote for stupid leaders is applicable
then the Dutch and French were stupid to vote for Adolph Hitler. The polish
were stupid to vote for Stalin. The Tibetans were stupid to vote for Mao Tse
Dung


Peter H.M. Brooks

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skokkie wrote:

>
>
> The UN & the Brits put him there in the first place and kept quiet whilst he
> strengthened his mandate to rule the country without tribalist division. (
> AKA Eliminate the Matabele
>

Just as a point of information, the British actually put a transitional
government in place, under Nkomo, it also made provision for elections.
Mugabe won those elections - he was not actually put in place by the
British.

Zakanaka

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"Peter H.M. Brooks" <Peter.H....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Under Nkomo? That's news to me. I thought it was under Lord Soames as
temporary Govonor.

Yes, Skokkie you are quite correct in your comments. Truth about those first
elections was that they were not free and fair on the ground. Mugabe sent
his Majubas into the assembly points and kept his fighters in the bush to
intimidate. The problems with using british bobbies was soon very apparent.
They couldn't speak the local languages and therefore couldn't understand
whether intimidation was happening or not happening. What was abundantly
clear to local people was the Mugabe's message was "If you don't vote for
me, the war continues". This warning was headed by many as they were sick
and tired of war. There were contingency plans in place but at the end of
the day, Britain sold the country down the river in it's desire to wash it's
hands of their colonial problem. As for Zimbabwe, what you see today are the
consequences.
>


Peter H.M. Brooks

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Jan 9, 2007, 8:43:41 AM1/9/07
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Zakanaka wrote:

> "Peter H.M. Brooks" <Peter.H....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1168334287.3...@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > skokkie wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > The UN & the Brits put him there in the first place and kept quiet
> whilst he
> > > strengthened his mandate to rule the country without tribalist division.
> (
> > > AKA Eliminate the Matabele
> > >
> > Just as a point of information, the British actually put a transitional
> > government in place, under Nkomo, it also made provision for elections.
> > Mugabe won those elections - he was not actually put in place by the
> > British.
>
> Under Nkomo? That's news to me. I thought it was under Lord Soames as
> temporary Govonor.
>

Yes, he was, he passed independence to a coalition government under
Nkomo - it wasn't there long - before the elections.


>
> Yes, Skokkie you are quite correct in your comments. Truth about those first
> elections was that they were not free and fair on the ground. Mugabe sent
> his Majubas into the assembly points and kept his fighters in the bush to
> intimidate. The problems with using british bobbies was soon very apparent.
> They couldn't speak the local languages and therefore couldn't understand
> whether intimidation was happening or not happening. What was abundantly
> clear to local people was the Mugabe's message was "If you don't vote for
> me, the war continues". This warning was headed by many as they were sick
> and tired of war. There were contingency plans in place but at the end of
> the day, Britain sold the country down the river in it's desire to wash it's
> hands of their colonial problem. As for Zimbabwe, what you see today are the
> consequences.
>

I don't disagree with any of that - I was simply pointing out that the
initial government, the one that held the elections, was actually under
Nkomo. It was just a point of information, historical fact, if you
like, that doesn't alter the unfair nature of the elections themselves.

Zakanaka

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"Peter H.M. Brooks" <Peter.H....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Agreed

>


ekke

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>If the statement that stupid people vote for stupid leaders is applicable
>then the Dutch and French were stupid to vote for Adolph Hitler. The polish
>were stupid to vote for Stalin. The Tibetans were stupid to vote for Mao
>Tse
>Dung

Yes they were stupid


skokkie

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"Zakanaka" <lala...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The brief period political puppetry involved in a Joshua Nkomo government is
therefore not really relevant to the discussion because the fat old jerk was
blissfully unaware of the stitch up that was being perpetrated. He was only
drawn into politics after an incident where he was caught allegedly peeping
into the white women's toilets.

When invited to have a farewell drink with local forces, the departing
British bobbies were prone to be quite vocal in expressing regret about the
nature of their participation in the shindig. Many wanted closure regarding
the outcome of the investigations into a 10 ton truckload of missing ballot
papers.

bigdude

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skokkie <gle...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "ekke" <fgfd@fgfg> wrote in message

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> for Mao Tse Dung.

That statement was at least closer to the truth than yours. You compare
an election with an invasion during wartime (France, Holland) and an
invasion in peacetime (Tibet). Only the Poles were thick enough to vote
in the commies!

skokkie

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"bigdude" <du...@JRranch.com> wrote in message
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Think about the analogies, they were meant to be a bit absurd.

You continue to display a complete lack of understanding about the
situation. Whatever the situation, there are children dying. - Pig!


bigdude

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skokkie <gle...@hotmail.com> wrote:

not absurd, they are simply wrong.

> You continue to display a complete lack of understanding about the
> situation. Whatever the situation, there are children dying. - Pig!

Wrong again. Pigs are the people that still vote for Mugabe despite the
chaos and misery that is Zimbabwe today and those in SA that support him
diplomatically or admire him for thumbing his nose at the Brits..

skokkie

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"bigdude" <du...@JRranch.com> wrote in message
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I cannot fault that logic, but I am correct in referring to racist people
who inadvertently endorse his behaviour as pigs as well.


Zakanaka

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"skokkie" <gle...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Why do pigs always get picked on. People are people and pigs are pigs. They
are two distinctly different species and will never cross-pollinate unless
some scientist comes up with a new formula. It is totally unmuslim as well
as politically incorrect to describe humans as pigs. It is discriminatory
and against the UN charter. Therefore, posters are politely requested to
refrain from using the word pig to decscribe biggoted humans. Once you have
complied with this request, would you kindly go tell it to the marines.
This submission is courtesy of the SPCP (The society for the prevention of
cruelty to pigs)


>
>


skokkie

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"Zakanaka" <lala...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I hereby apologise profusely to all pigs who may have been insulted by my
use of them as a comparison to big dude and all of the other 'merkin
racists.

Given that a pile of turd is not a sentient being and does not have
feelings, it would be therefore more adequate to compare Big Dude and all of
the 'Merkin racists to a pile of turd in future.


bigdude

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skokkie <gle...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > >
> > > > > Think about the analogies, they were meant to be a bit absurd.
> > > > not absurd, they are simply wrong.
> > > >
> > > > > You continue to display a complete lack of understanding about the
> > > > > situation. Whatever the situation, there are children dying. - Pig!
> > > > Wrong again. Pigs are the people that still vote for Mugabe despite
> > > > the chaos and misery that is Zimbabwe today and those in SA that
> > > > support him diplomatically or admire him for thumbing his nose at
> > > > the Brits..

here you had your chance to back off your ad hominems..

> > > I cannot fault that logic, but I am correct in referring to racist
> > > people who inadvertently endorse his behaviour as pigs as well.

but you didnt take it..

> > Why do pigs always get picked on. People are people and pigs are pigs.
> > They are two distinctly different species and will never cross-pollinate
> > unless some scientist comes up with a new formula. It is totally
> > unmuslim as well as politically incorrect to describe humans as pigs. It
> > is discriminatory and against the UN charter. Therefore, posters are
> > politely requested to refrain from using the word pig to decscribe
> > biggoted humans. Once you have complied with this request, would you
> > kindly go tell it to the marines. This submission is courtesy of the
> > SPCP (The society for the prevention of cruelty to pigs)
>
> I hereby apologise profusely to all pigs who may have been insulted by my
> use of them as a comparison to big dude and all of the other 'merkin
> racists.
>
> Given that a pile of turd is not a sentient being and does not have
> feelings, it would be therefore more adequate to compare Big Dude and all of
> the 'Merkin racists to a pile of turd in future.

As a non-racist 'when-we' with your Zim in the shitheap, you'd know all
about turds of course. Time you pulled your head out of your poepal and
smellt the roses you old fart.
<plonk>

skokkie

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"bigdude" <du...@JRranch.com> wrote in message
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Is this another one of your strange sexual fantasies that you are trying to
project onto decent folk?

Zakanaka

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"skokkie" <gle...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I can see an eternal loop happening here


>
>


Skokkie

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Er yes well - Thanks for pointing it out. I will cease and desist from
rattling the gorillas cages. The problem is that it is such fun to see
the daft responses to the bait. The narrow mindedness of these people
never ceases to amaze me.

I will behave myself and get back to a proper discussion on the topic
tomorrow and in the meanwhile tender an apology for disrespecting your
subject. I should not be baitballing the merkins when there is the
serious matter of children dying.

Zakanaka

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"Skokkie" <gle...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Too true, too true.......

Riaan

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Apart from HIV/Aids, joblessness, crime and poverty, the single biggest
threat facing our democracy is growing corruption in both the public and
private sectors.

(Blade Nzimande, SACP president, unwittingly summing up the true state of
Mandelatopia)

Look at the bitches!

(Golden Miles Bhudu, failed Afro-American and president of the South African
Prisoner's Organisation for Human Rights (Sapohr), who shackled his hands
and feet during a Zuma rape trail protest while holding a poster reading 'Jacob
Zuma was raped')

What has happened to me is a great injustice.our democratic movement must
ensure that what happened to us under apartheid doesn't happen again. A
citizen here should not be removed easily from society and put in a cage.

(Tony Yengeni, ex-ANC Chief Whip and common criminal, after having been
convicted of fraud by his own elected peers according to the Azanian
constitution he helped draft)

I thought you were a real Xhosa girl. How can you say no to your Chief Whip
as if I am an ordinary man?

(Mbulelo Goniwe, another ex-ANC Chief Whip, terrorist and simian pervert,
after ANC parliamentary administrative assistant Nomawele Njongo refused to
let this monkey in silk mount her after she had helped serve dinner to
guests at his home on October 25, 2006).

It is unacceptable that 139 schools nationwide still have a matric pass rate
of between 0% en 20%.

(Duncan Hindle, director general of education, finding the best Azanian
Newspeak adjective to detract from the fact that his Ministry's performance
just made it into the Guinness Book of Records for the first education
provider to have managed a perfect 0% pass-rate in a school with 672 pupils)

The best tribute South Africa and India could make to Mahatma Gandhi would
be to help establish a world order free of war, want and exploitation.

(Pallo Jordan, Arts and Culture Minister, conveniently neglecting the fact
that Gandhi burnt a prodigious amount of vital calories trying to convince
Apartheid-era railway officials not to allow k*ffirs to ride in his
compartment)

I'm very excited!

(Golden Miles Bhudu, failed Afro-American and president of the South African
Prisoner's Organisation for Human Rights (Sapohr), when asked about the 'go
naked' protest action of female black prisoners which was also used in the
eighties to protest against the apartheid system)

Lethu Mshini Wami (Give me my machine gun)

(Jacob Zuma, the next President of Mandelatopia, practicing for his African
Spear Chucker Idol debut, and showing his innate genius for diplomacy and
inter-racial understanding)

Partly as a result, the country has the most open gay community on a
continent where homosexuality is usually driven underground and portrayed as
un-African - an unwanted legacy of colonialism and white culture.

(A News 24 journalist, blaming millennia-old African homophobia on whitey)

Strange and false discoveries are raising a number of serious concerns..one
of these relates to the quality of journalism in our country. The sorry tale
told by the Sunday Times' handling of the EPWP issue points to the reality
of a serious national problem.

(Thabo Mbeki, President of Arsezania, overtly telling the media to toe the
line when writing about the ANC misgovernment in Mandelatopia)

Blacks invented the art of writing in the form of Egyptian hieroglyphics,
which they later modified into a phonetic sign language consisting of 24
word-signs. This knowledge was later spread to the Greeks, who in turn
spread this knowledge to the rest of the Western Europe. They then imparted
their vast knowledge to most of whom became very famous, such as Plato,
Pythagoras, Eudoxes, the mathematician and astronomer, Hippocrates and many
others whose work reflected the great and pervasive influence of the black
Africans..... Colonizers then stripped African countries of human and
material resources. (which)..ensured that Europeans live a better life and
enjoy the good things of life while the countries of Africa were pushed
deeper and deeper into the mire of poverty and underdevelopment.

(Thabo Mbeki, rewriting history to underpin his African Renaissance
delusions)

There is a strong feeling on the continent that these migrants are not being
treated properly.

(Thabo Mbeki, President of Arsezania, criticizing EU countries while failing
to mention the horrific treatment of Africans by their own leaders, which
causes them to risk all in trying to get away from the human depravity of
the Dark Continent to have a chance at a civilized existence in the West)

Some 50 children per day are raped in South Africa as the country struggles
with the legacy of apartheid.

(A News24 journalist, blaming the fact that 50 black men rape 50 black
children daily in Azania on whitey)

We hope that in appointing a judge, the authorities will be sensitive to
some of the issues raised during the Shaik trial and not select a judge with
a controversial background.

(Cosatu spokescomrade, showing his respect for the independence of the
judiciary in Azania)

We were told blacks would not make good swimmers when we grew up.... The
legacy lives on, with up to three children drowning every day in South
Africa's lakes, dams, oceans and private pools.

(Mandla Mdlalose, regional manager for sport and recreation in the Soweto
area, blaming whitey when black children drown)

Let me confess I enjoy the cigars, health spa and cognac. Very sophisticated
and cultured, you might say..but I can't even slaughter a cow without the
SPCA and the police threatening to arrest me. But these rituals are part of
what makes me a black.

(Lucas Ntyintyane, AA doctor and research fellow at the Chris
Hani-Baragwanath Hospital, longing for the return of the Stone Age to
21-century civilized existence)

Nature has triumphed and shown us that we can transcend national boundaries
and that we can create benefits beyond boundaries'..today our wild animals
are once again beginning to roam freely..(it is) the beginning of a new era
when we will bring down the colonial fences, which divided our nations over
several centuries.

(Thabo Mbeki, President of Azania, failing to mention the devastating impact
of crime and over-population of approximately 7 million Zimbabwean refugees
his Liberation from Civilization buddy, Robert Mugabe, has forced into
Arsezania's 40% unemployment market)

Even when our forefathers were fighting against apartheid, they did not hurt
women and children.

(Thabo Mbeki, omitting the fact that one out of every five black men walking
the streets of Mandelatopia has raped a woman)

I praise Zimbabwe for its advances and successes in the 25 years since its
independence from Britain. Our two countries share a common world view and
would march forward shoulder to shoulder.

(Ronnie Kasrils, Intelligence Minister and filthy old school Communist, not
mentioning the fact that this African shit-hole has an inflation rate of
1271%, unemployment topping 80% and the fact that Zimboonians have resorted
to eating rats in order to survive another day in Mugarbage's African Pride
LaLa Paradise)

Tony remains a hero of the struggle and that has not changed. If the court
did find him guilty, it does not mean he has to be condemned..the Popcru
comrades will also help to look after Tony.

(Boiki Tsedu, Popcru spokesape, commenting on how the Azanian criminal
injustice system will look after the welfare of a convicted criminal)

He was the devil personified at the same level that Hitler was, and should
be treated as a pariah by peace-loving people... it is fitting that both him
and his time has come to an end. Good riddance.

(COSATU spokescomrade, conveniently omitting the fact that the black
population increased by nearly a quarter under PW Botha's reign and that the
average South African black was 4 times richer and better off than any other
black person in Africa. It is also highly likely that this Marxist
spokescomrade got his first-world university degree in one of PW's
'gas-chamber' jails)

At least now we have . expropriation. Therefore, we will no longer waste
time negotiating with people who are not committed to transformation.

(Lulu Xingwana , Minister of Agriculture and Land Affairs, mindlessly intent
on creating another Zimbabwean-style famine while urinating on the sterling
work done by 34 000 white farmers in South Africa who have seen to it that
not a single person (out of 40 million) has died of hunger during the 30
years of Apartheid)

During the first 12 years after our first democratic election, I tried to
convince everybody inside and outside the country who doubted the new South
Africa, that the negative aspects of the transition were only temporarily
and superficial coincidences. Today I cannot say that any more...their
(South Africa's leaders') first priority is apparently to fill their own
pockets and those of family and friends and to abuse their positions, even
if they have to step on the victims of murder, rape and violence and telling
those who dare protest to shut up or leave.

(Andre Brink, feel-good liberal and prize-winning author, bemoaning his Turd
World fate at the hands of his, hitherto, Noble Savage)

Our world today needs art more, not less, than ever before...it is primarily
through the arts that meaning is restored to, and kept alive, in the
world...true freedom of artistic expression resided in the matter of
"choice"....what we are, what our artistic expressions may be, and what our
interaction with the arts can lead to, all depends on an act of will, an act
of choice.

(Andre Brink, multi-cultural utopian and world-acclaimed liberal idiot,
trying to tell us, bla bla Derrida/Hollywood-style, that the appreciation of
art will lead an African simian to 'choose' not to rape his 8-month old
daughter)

A new daily English-language newspaper targeting 'colour-blind' readers too
young and busy to care about the legacy of apartheid will be launched in
Johannesburg on Monday.

(A News24 journalist, hinting that all newspapers in Mandelatopia have still
not perfected the Clintonian art of performing Noble Savage mass-media
fellatio)

The effects of the apartheid government's Bantu education system was still
manifested today in teacher inefficiency and pupil apathy. The system had
been designed to make black pupils believe in failure, that they suffer from
innate inability, and prepared them for work in the lower levels of the
economy. The legacy of this system has had awful consequences for South
Africa - some teachers believe they can make little difference,
administrators believe they should make little effort, and pupils believe
they are destined to fail.

(Naledi Pandor, Education Minister, blaming his ministry's disastrous
performance and Africa's Stone Age mentality on whitey)

The legacy of such a corrupt system did not disappear into the night when
the white flag was lowered in 1994 and the new South African flag was
hoisted. Rather, it had deepened to such an extent that it would necessarily
serve to corrupt the new order.

(Geraldine Fraser-Moleketi, minister for public disservice and
maladministration, blaming whitey for current Rainbow Nation corruption. She
typically neglected the fact that abysmal corruption is endemic to Africa -
as can be witnessed by the fact that, for example, her kin in Nigeria
siphoned off 6 times more money from state coffers during the past 25 years,
than it took Europe to rebuild itself completely after WWII. The fact that
94% of the Eastern Cape's 2005 budget is still unaccounted for, also wasn't
mention by this Bla Bla - blame it on apartheid - specialist)

Mpumalanga's largest industrial city, Witbank, is set to get a new name as
part of the government's bid to rid the province of offensive colonial and
apartheid legacy.

(A News24 journalist, conveniently forgetting the fact that Africa had no
written language, the wheel or any industry with which to honour their
mud&sticks Stone Age hovels before whitey came)

We cannot leave transformation to the whims of market forces.

(Makhenkesi Stofile, Minister of Sport, omitting the fact that modern
professional sports, just like capitalism, depends on finding the best, in
order to be the best. He also forgot to admit that since his ANC
professional administrators took over power, all national sports teams in
Arsezania have slipped down so far in international rankings that the
Vatican's reserve teams will take them on with both feet strapped to their
cassocks)

The ANC extends a message of solidarity and compassion to Tony Yengeni.

(ANC spokessympathiser, on having to send their beloved terrorist& common
criminal and Liberation from Civilization buddy, Tony Yengeni, to the 'white
man's cage')

We want to sit down and discuss what to do before 2011 so that you do not
embarrass us when we play England, and England looks more like a South
African team than South Africa itself...the French squad which played Wales
last weekend was "more cosmopolitan" than the current South African side..it
is a scandal when we have a situation where there were nine white and six
black players.there must be something wrong ... we want a fair reflection.

(Makhenkesi Stofile, Minister of Sport and dim-witted branch-sitter,
conveniently forgetting that the 'cosmopolitan' French team is one of the
top 3 rugby teams in the world - with players chosen on merit, not skin
color)

Those amongst us who are still hesitant to take part in judicial training
must understand that apartheid legacy imposes an obligation on us, to accept
[it]...by and large the judiciary was a product of South Africa's racist
past and still contained pockets of racism.

(Seth Nthai, ape-with-a-wig Pretoria advocate, not mentioning the fact that
the top 3 black judges in Arsezania recused themselves from Zuma's rape
trail, in fear of being in his bad books when he becomes the next President
of Arsezania. It was left to a white judge with no employment future to
dispense justice)

International comparisons showed an extremely weak performance by South
African pupils, even against much poorer countries with far fewer resources
than even those available to African schools under apartheid..nowhere is
this performance as bad as in numeracy and mathematics where South African
test scores are near the worst in the world.

(Prof Van der Berg, liberal educator, trying to make sense of the fact that
less than 3000 of Mandela's 500 000 matric pupils passed higher grade (HG)
mathematics and science)

Now, schools are introducing Curriculum 2005, which focuses on
outcomes-based education, a teaching method where pupils debate the merits
of what they have learnt.

(Claudia Bickford-Smith, a commissioning editor at Oxford University Press
in Cape Town and arse-licking liberal, desperately trying to Newspeak away
the fact that her much-vaunted postmodern pedagogic methodology achieved
exactly as much as the input provided by her pupils, zero)

Although not without its flaws, the new curriculum is the most representive
take on South Africa's history we have ever had...to understand each other,
we have to understand where we came from. History teaches us who we are.

(Elize van Eeden, liberal history professor at the University of
Potchefstroom, effectively telling history it must change in order to make
blacks feel good about themselves, even though there is nothing in the
modern world (except Rap& Hip Hop) that could be attributed to the fruits of
African intellectual labour)

The message these sought to communicate to all business people, both
domestic and foreign, is that they should view our efforts to address the
legacy of racism in our economy as something inimical to good business.

(Thabo Mbeki, on Sasol's submission to the New York Stock Exchange in which
it defined black empowerment as one of a number of risk factors. Mbeki
failed to mention that 70% of all full-controlled and managed BEE ventures
fail within the first 2 years)

For us to focus on condoms for school children aged 13 or 14 is not
right.....you shouldn't even have a sleeping partner at 13.

(Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, Health Minister and complete moron, trying to
Newspeak away the fact that as many as 33% of all black female school
children will most probably fall pregnant before they write their final
school exam. She also proposed 'maternity leave' for these prolific underage
breeders)

It encourages a falsehood that could break the fragile spirits of the
already disillusioned youth of South Africa.

(Andrew October, Cape Town journalist and top Arsezanian disciple of the
'trauma industry' of the liberal West)

The Santa Claus myth includes the legend that children who do not get
presents from Santa Claus have been naughty during the year. It could
conceivably be extremely upsetting for a child who does not receive the
requested presents to believe that s/he has been too naughty during the past
year.

(The Advertising Standards Authority, upholding Andrew October's complaint
against the advertisement and, thereby, perpetuating the myth that all
children can never be 'naughty' because they are eternally 'innocent' like
the Noble Savages of Mandelatopia)

I don't care if doctors leave the country, because they will all come back.

(Manto Tshabala-Msimang, Health Minister and one of the most unworthy people
in history to have ever had access to free oxygen on this planet, informing
her fellow Stone Age voters that the fact that, despite 800 people dying of
AIDS/HIV per day, the loss of more than 4 000 doctors who left since 2000 is
no cause for concern)

Our efforts to take our education system to the highest levels of quality
will continue.

(Kader Asmal, Minister of Miseducation, conveniently forgetting about the
139 black schools that scored a fantastic pass-rate of between 0 and 20%)

Our culture does not allow the rape and abuse of women and children.

(Thabo Mbeki, not mentioning the fact that more than 50 black children and
150 black women are raped per day by black men)

In Gauteng half of our councilors are also female. They always work
diligently and perform their duties with great regard of the needs of our
citizens.

(Marthinus van Schalkwyk, Environment Minister and despicable traitor of all
that the West has built up over the past 350 years in Africa, failing to
mention that 1 in 5 black Arsezanian women will indeed fulfill the needs of
their simian counterparts, by being raped at least once before they live out
their average life-expectancy of 42 years - 4.3 years lower than during the
height of Apartheid)

Unashamedly, they pretend these problems, that are many centuries old, could
have been solved in a mere 10 years, and that failure to solve them
constitutes an avoidable failure of our movement...the ANC would continue
working to eradicate the poverty and under-development still being
experienced by the poor, which was the legacy of colonialism and apartheid,
and could not be solved in 10 years.

(Thabo Mbeki, failing to mention that, according the UN human development
index, Mbeki's Azanians are 40% worse off than during the height (1975) of
Apartheid)

The ANC would also work for a heightened contribution to the victory of the
African renaissance and the emergence of a just world..this was what the
people had voted for, and, as the ANC had done before, it would not
disappoint the expectations of the masses.

(Thabo Mbeki, trying to convince the world that Africa will save humanity,
but omitting the fact that Africa is the only continent that has grown
progressively poorer since the early 70s)

The report also found that lack of public freedoms and equality under the
racist apartheid regime which ended in 1994, was often among the causes of
in trafficking of children.

(Thabo Mbeki, trying desperately to blame whitey for the completely new
phenomenon of child-trafficking in Mandelatopia)

They don't deserve it because they didn't die for freedom and human dignity.

(Mongane Wally Serote, CEO of the Freedom Park Foundation, explaining why
ex-SADF soldiers who died in the Angolan War will not be honoured, while
Cuban soldiers will be. He refrained from telling his fellow former
USSSR-backed terrorists that there is no, till this very day, democracy and
human dignities in Castro's Cuba. He also failed to mention that is was the
'evil' white soldiers who helped win the Cold War against those who piss on
democracy, the very system that allowed them (the CAFVOAs) to ascend to
power in 1994. The fact that the 'evil' SADF's iron discipline and respect
for civilian authority prevented any right-wing coup from taking place in
1994 was also not mentioned by this miserable baboon who should thank every
single simian ancestor of his for the fact that the full fury of the
mightiest army that ever marched (nukes included) in the history of the
Southern Hemisphere was never unleashed upon his and every sorry
Cuban/Russian/East German/Chinese ass that ventured into Angola).
Fu*k-faces!

A white stereotype of black Africans has turned Zimbabwe and South Africa
into one country.

(Thabo Mbeki, playing the race card by blaming African depravity on white
prejudice)

What is required of us is that we must accept that some within white South
African society are convinced that we are savages and that we must do
everything in our power to prove that we are not savages, to the
satisfaction of white South Africa.

(Thabo Mbeki, speaking the truth for once, but still failing to admit that
all the other races also regard Africans as savages)

South Africa is scouring the globe to recover lost works by black artists
that depict the turbulent apartheid era in a drive to educate young people
about the struggle against white rule.. many paintings were quietly snapped
up by foreign diplomats or visitors and spirited out of the country to adorn
the walls of homes and boardrooms around the world.

(Pallo Jordan, Culture Minister, trying to convince the world that not only
did Picasso steal the ideas of African artists, but that there were also
numerous little black Davids, Michelangelos and DaVincis whose immortal
masterpieces where sought-after by all discerning art aficionados across the
globe..ha.ha!)

Africans had a centuries-old inferiority complex instilled by
colonialists...in order to keep themselves at the top of the ladder, and our
ancestors at the bottom, colonialists instilled an inferiority complex in
Africans.... most of Haitian bourgeoisie consists of prototypes of mental
slaves who are mentally enslaved to neo-colonial masters.

(Jean-Bertrand Aristide, ousted Haitian despot and honoured guest of the
Arsezanian misgovernment, using psycho-Marxist babble to blame whitey for
Africa's incredible backwardness and the fact that his home country has been
the poorest of the poor since independence in 1844)

I repeat, I've never known a person who has died of AIDS..seriously, not
once.

(Thabo Mbeki, president of a country where 800 people die of AIDS/HIV per
day. Mandela also lost his son to this disease which, according to Mbeki, is
not caused by a virus)

Health Minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang is the only person in high office
to understand the disparities between western and traditional medicine.

(A South Africans traditional healer& witchdoctor, praising his idiot
Minister for placing witchcraft on the same footing as 21-century medicine)

My own views are complex and I really prefer to write them down...but we can
blame it on poverty.

(Nadine Gordimer, feel-good Nobel Laureate and White Guilt councilor, after
having been robbed and assaulted by her angelic Noble Savages)

The true greatness of a person is measured by the impact that person has on
the lives of others. This statement rings true for the Minister of Health Dr
Mantombazana Edmie Tshabalala-Msimang who has touched the lives of many in
different ways.

(Official Health Ministry website, praising the moronic minister whose
mind-blowing incompetence kills more people in one day than Swiss motorists
dying in accidents over 2 years)

Let's rather stick to traditional medicine... garlic has antiviral and
antibacterial properties, lemon is a source of selenium and vitamin C and
the benefit of beetroot with regard to anaemia is also well documented," she
said.

(Mantombazana Edmie Tshabalala-Msimang, Minister of Health and oxygen thief,
elaborating on her antidote for AIDS/HIV that kills 800 people per day in
Azania)

It.(showering).... would minimise the risk of contracting the disease.

(Jacob Zuma, ex-Deputy President, ex-Deputy President of the ANC and
ex-Chairman of the ANC's AIDS/HIV taskforce, giving advice on how to prevent
contracting the most deadly disease of the 21st century)

And I said to myself, I know as we grew up in the Zulu culture you don't
leave a woman in that situation (sexual arousal).

(Jacob Zuma, next President of Arsezania and horny ape, giving reasons why
he had to mount the HIV+ offspring of an ex-buddy& fellow tree-dweller in
the Liberation from Civilization struggle)

We can't act simply because people are saying they are friends. That means
that everywhere we must look at the friendships that people have.

(Charles Nqakula, Unsafety and Insecurity Minister, dismissing suggestions
that police commissioner and black Mafioso, Jackie Selebi, must resign over
his friendship with businessman Glenn Agliotti, who was arrested for the
murder of mining magnate Brett Kebble)

Those who whine about the crime in South Africa can pack up and leave the
country....the future is rosy concerning crime.

(Charles Nqakula, Unsafety and Insecurity Minister, telling law-abiding
citizens that living in the crime capital of the world is not such a bad
thing, and praising criminals for another year of sterling performance)

Whites are finished.

(Rian Malan, Oprah/White Guilt writer and disillusioned liberal, moaning
about the fact that the multi-cultural utopia he dedicated his feel-good
life to has become yet another African shit-hole)

These wide-ranging issues reflect the current status of our excellent
bilateral relations.

(Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma, Minister of Foreign Affairs, telling the West
exactly what Arsezania's relationship is with Iran, a backward dictatorship
hell-bent on wiping Israel from the map)

If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the
world, it is the United States of America...Because Iraq produces 64 percent
of the oil in the world. What Bush wants is to get hold of that oil...They
do not care. Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is
now a black man?

(Nelson Mandela, God of all liberals and paragon of Rousseau's Noble Savage,
inferring that Bush invaded Iraq because Kofi Annan is black)

It was fairly straightforward that one of the things we had to do was to
seek to establish a moral position. The second was maintaining the morale of
our people. Telling our people 'your cause is a just cause.' This is, in
fact, a moral universe. We're going to win.

(Desmond Tutu, Nobel Laureate and monkey in silk, forgetting to tell his
liberal boot-lickers that more people have died since the 'just cause' came
to fruition in 1994 than all the people who met violent deaths in South
Africa during the 20th century)

I wanted to become a doctor, a physician, and I was admitted to medical
school, but my family did not have the money for fees. So I ended up
becoming a teacher, then priest.

(Desmond Tutu, ape, listing and admitting all the vocational choices he had
during the Apartheid era, which he so fondly likens to Nazi gas chamber
conditions and genocide)

Ubuntu is very difficult to render into a Western language... It is to say,
'My humanity is caught up, is inextricably bound up, in what is yours.

(Desmond Tutu, tumble-with-the-moral-wind guilt dispenser and
ape-in-a-cassock, failing to explain where ubuntu is when a black man rapes
an 8-month old black baby to death)

Africans don't have a retributive sense of justice like the West. We are
conciliatory and ask the other how we can both come to an understanding
about our past differences.

(Thabo Mbeki, failing to explain how the 'conciliatory justice' of the Hutus
in the Congo couldn't prevent the massacre of 900 000 Tutsis in 90 days of
unrelenting African horror)


Schorsch

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Riaan wrote:
> Apart from HIV/Aids, joblessness, crime and poverty, the single biggest
> threat facing our democracy is growing corruption in both the public and
> private sectors.
>

You are telling me. When was the last time a cop asked you for a
bribe?!


> (Blade Nzimande, SACP president, unwittingly summing up the true state of
> Mandelatopia)
>
> Look at the bitches!
>
> (Golden Miles Bhudu, failed Afro-American and president of the South African
> Prisoner's Organisation for Human Rights (Sapohr), who shackled his hands
> and feet during a Zuma rape trail protest while holding a poster reading 'Jacob
> Zuma was raped')

Now that's funny.

> What has happened to me is a great injustice.our democratic movement must
> ensure that what happened to us under apartheid doesn't happen again. A
> citizen here should not be removed easily from society and put in a cage.
>
> (Tony Yengeni, ex-ANC Chief Whip and common criminal, after having been
> convicted of fraud by his own elected peers according to the Azanian
> constitution he helped draft)

What happened then doesn't happen now. Or are there any new SASOLS,
TELKOMS, ISKORS ?!


> I thought you were a real Xhosa girl. How can you say no to your Chief Whip
> as if I am an ordinary man?
>
> (Mbulelo Goniwe, another ex-ANC Chief Whip, terrorist and simian pervert,
> after ANC parliamentary administrative assistant Nomawele Njongo refused to
> let this monkey in silk mount her after she had helped serve dinner to
> guests at his home on October 25, 2006).

Is that part of their culture?

>
> It is unacceptable that 139 schools nationwide still have a matric pass rate
> of between 0% en 20%.
>
> (Duncan Hindle, director general of education, finding the best Azanian
> Newspeak adjective to detract from the fact that his Ministry's performance
> just made it into the Guinness Book of Records for the first education
> provider to have managed a perfect 0% pass-rate in a school with 672 pupils)

What was the matric pass rate "under Apartheid"?


> The best tribute South Africa and India could make to Mahatma Gandhi would
> be to help establish a world order free of war, want and exploitation.
>
> (Pallo Jordan, Arts and Culture Minister, conveniently neglecting the fact
> that Gandhi burnt a prodigious amount of vital calories trying to convince
> Apartheid-era railway officials not to allow k*ffirs to ride in his
> compartment)
>

Was Mahatma Gandhi a Racist?
http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/2/Kemp184-186.html

[...]


>
> Blacks invented the art of writing in the form of Egyptian hieroglyphics,
> which they later modified into a phonetic sign language consisting of 24
> word-signs. This knowledge was later spread to the Greeks, who in turn
> spread this knowledge to the rest of the Western Europe. They then imparted
> their vast knowledge to most of whom became very famous, such as Plato,
> Pythagoras, Eudoxes, the mathematician and astronomer, Hippocrates and many
> others whose work reflected the great and pervasive influence of the black
> Africans..... Colonizers then stripped African countries of human and
> material resources. (which)..ensured that Europeans live a better life and
> enjoy the good things of life while the countries of Africa were pushed
> deeper and deeper into the mire of poverty and underdevelopment.
>
> (Thabo Mbeki, rewriting history to underpin his African Renaissance
> delusions)

But aren't all people equal?!


[...]


>
> Even when our forefathers were fighting against apartheid, they did not hurt
> women and children.
>
> (Thabo Mbeki, omitting the fact that one out of every five black men walking
> the streets of Mandelatopia has raped a woman)

And ignoring that the victims of those freedom-fighters were in fact
defensless women and children.
http://www.africancrisis.org/photos11.asp

Moira de Swardt

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"Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

> It is unacceptable that 139 schools nationwide still have a matric
pass rate
> of between 0% en 20%.

> (Duncan Hindle, director general of education, finding the best
Azanian
> Newspeak adjective to detract from the fact that his Ministry's
performance
> just made it into the Guinness Book of Records for the first
education
> provider to have managed a perfect 0% pass-rate in a school with
672 pupils)

Six hundred and seventy two pupils in matric? The matric pass rate
refers to those who registered for and wrote the Senior Secondary
Certificate. There are no schools in South Africa so large that
there are 672 pupils in their final year of school.

And yes, it is unacceptable that there should be 139 schools in the
country which have a matric pass rate of lower than 20%. Especially
when one considers how easy matric (without exemption) actually is.

What do you want him to say? That this is a laudable effort? It's
a disgrace. Questioning this statistic is entirely justifiable.

However, one should *also* be asking what the schooling conditions
of these 139 schools are. Where are the schools situated? What are
the educational qualifications of the teachers? What is the work
record of the teachers like? What are the socio-economic conditions
of the majority of the pupils? Why were problems not detected
earlier in the schooling system? What subjects did the pupils
undertake? What are the parents doing to deal with the problem?
What are the pupils doing to deal with the problem? What is the
provincial education department doing to deal with the problem?
What school fees were paid by the pupils/their parents? And
doubtless many others that I have not yet considered.

--
Moira de Swardt posting from Johannesburg, South Africa
Remove the dot in my address to find me at home.

Moira de Swardt

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Jan 17, 2007, 4:28:30 AM1/17/07
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"Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

> The best tribute South Africa and India could make to Mahatma


Gandhi would
> be to help establish a world order free of war, want and
exploitation.

> (Pallo Jordan, Arts and Culture Minister, conveniently neglecting
the fact
> that Gandhi burnt a prodigious amount of vital calories trying to
convince
> Apartheid-era railway officials not to allow k*ffirs to ride in
his
> compartment)

Your knowledge of history is to be sadly lacking. Ask yourself
these questions? When and where did Gandi die? When and where did
the "Apartheid-era" come into being?

Moira de Swardt

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Jan 17, 2007, 4:28:52 AM1/17/07
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"Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

> Partly as a result, the country has the most open gay community on


a
> continent where homosexuality is usually driven underground and
portrayed as
> un-African - an unwanted legacy of colonialism and white culture.

> (A News 24 journalist, blaming millennia-old African homophobia on
whitey)

Your comprehension skills need work. What is being blamed on
colonialism and white culture is not homophobia, but homosexuality.

Moira de Swardt

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Jan 17, 2007, 4:37:28 AM1/17/07
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"Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

> We were told blacks would not make good swimmers when we grew


up.... The
> legacy lives on, with up to three children drowning every day in
South
> Africa's lakes, dams, oceans and private pools.

> (Mandla Mdlalose, regional manager for sport and recreation in the
Soweto
> area, blaming whitey when black children drown)

No, this is an explanation for the disgraceful state of affairs
which has horrific statistics for child drownings.

Each summer I attend a youth camp for older teens and early
twenties, as a staff member. Each year one of the sports electives
is "Swimming for Beginners". Each year this elective is filled with
young black people. White teenagers can either already swim or have
already made up their minds that they're not going to learn to swim
(for whatever reason).

Moira de Swardt

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Jan 17, 2007, 4:42:03 AM1/17/07
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"Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

> Let me confess I enjoy the cigars, health spa and cognac. Very


sophisticated
> and cultured, you might say..but I can't even slaughter a cow
without the
> SPCA and the police threatening to arrest me. But these rituals
are part of
> what makes me a black.

> (Lucas Ntyintyane, AA doctor and research fellow at the Chris
> Hani-Baragwanath Hospital, longing for the return of the Stone Age
to
> 21-century civilized existence)

Why do you assume that a comment about slaughtering cows indicates a
desire to return to the Stone Age? This is a simple, and very
subjective, comment about culture. The fact that you or I don't
agree with it doesn't render it invalid.

Moira de Swardt

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Jan 17, 2007, 4:44:42 AM1/17/07
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"Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

> Nature has triumphed and shown us that we can transcend national


boundaries
> and that we can create benefits beyond boundaries'..today our wild
animals
> are once again beginning to roam freely..(it is) the beginning of
a new era
> when we will bring down the colonial fences, which divided our
nations over
> several centuries.

> (Thabo Mbeki, President of Azania, failing to mention the
devastating impact
> of crime and over-population of approximately 7 million Zimbabwean
refugees
> his Liberation from Civilization buddy, Robert Mugabe, has forced
into
> Arsezania's 40% unemployment market)

Like all your spindoctoring in your post this is quoted out of
context. Honesty is not your long suit, is it?

Moira de Swardt

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Jan 17, 2007, 4:50:17 AM1/17/07
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"Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

> Even when our forefathers were fighting against apartheid, they


did not hurt
> women and children.

> (Thabo Mbeki, omitting the fact that one out of every five black
men walking
> the streets of Mandelatopia has raped a woman)

It strikes me that Mbeki is speaking out against the mistreatment of
women in every circumstance.

Moira de Swardt

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Jan 17, 2007, 4:54:51 AM1/17/07
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"Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

> The effects of the apartheid government's Bantu education system


was still
> manifested today in teacher inefficiency and pupil apathy. The
system had
> been designed to make black pupils believe in failure, that they
suffer from
> innate inability, and prepared them for work in the lower levels
of the
> economy. The legacy of this system has had awful consequences for
South
> Africa - some teachers believe they can make little difference,
> administrators believe they should make little effort, and pupils
believe
> they are destined to fail.

> (Naledi Pandor, Education Minister, blaming his ministry's
disastrous
> performance and Africa's Stone Age mentality on whitey)

Bantu education was a disgrace and its legacy is still,
unfortunately, felt today in places where people haven't managed to
change their ideas of what is and is not possible. Seems I'm
responding to a poster who has fallen into the same rut.

Moira de Swardt

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Jan 17, 2007, 5:01:27 AM1/17/07
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"Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

> International comparisons showed an extremely weak performance by


South
> African pupils, even against much poorer countries with far fewer
resources
> than even those available to African schools under
apartheid..nowhere is
> this performance as bad as in numeracy and mathematics where South
African
> test scores are near the worst in the world.

> (Prof Van der Berg, liberal educator, trying to make sense of the
fact that
> less than 3000 of Mandela's 500 000 matric pupils passed higher
grade (HG)
> mathematics and science)

Well, mathematics and science on HG are required for a great number
of professions, and an even greater number of technical trades, so
it is *really* scary that we, as a country, perform so badly in this
regard.

Moira de Swardt

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Jan 17, 2007, 5:09:08 AM1/17/07
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"Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

> Now, schools are introducing Curriculum 2005, which focuses on


> outcomes-based education, a teaching method where pupils debate
the merits
> of what they have learnt.

> (Claudia Bickford-Smith, a commissioning editor at Oxford
University Press
> in Cape Town and arse-licking liberal, desperately trying to
Newspeak away
> the fact that her much-vaunted postmodern pedagogic methodology
achieved
> exactly as much as the input provided by her pupils, zero)

This is not apartheid era education where white pupils were
discouraged from thinking. Of course pupils are required to debate
the merits of what they have learnt, otherwise why are they
bothering to learn things at all?

> Although not without its flaws, the new curriculum is the most
representive
> take on South Africa's history we have ever had...to understand
each other,
> we have to understand where we came from. History teaches us who
we are.

> (Elize van Eeden, liberal history professor at the University of
> Potchefstroom, effectively telling history it must change in order
to make
> blacks feel good about themselves, even though there is nothing in
the
> modern world (except Rap& Hip Hop) that could be attributed to the
fruits of
> African intellectual labour)

Your comprehension skills need work. What makes you think this is
what van Eeden is saying?

> Our efforts to take our education system to the highest levels of
quality
> will continue.

> (Kader Asmal, Minister of Miseducation, conveniently forgetting
about the
> 139 black schools that scored a fantastic pass-rate of between 0
and 20%)

No. He is saying that efforts to reduce the number of schools with
such passrates will continue. That poor quality education will be
improved and that high quality education will be maintained and
increased.

Riaan

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The whole article was pasted from http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/. So
please spare your comments for the guy who wrote it, not me merly posting it
here you twit


"Moira de Swardt" <moir...@wol.co.za> wrote in message
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>
>


Bodie

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Jan 18, 2007, 10:55:31 AM1/18/07
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"Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message
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> The whole article was pasted from http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/.
So
> please spare your comments for the guy who wrote it, not me merly posting
it
> here you twit
>
>


Moira the twit ?????

Places a hole (sic) new meaning to the word twit. :-)


Bodie ..

--
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis," S. Freud)


Schorsch

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Jan 18, 2007, 12:07:28 PM1/18/07
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Moira de Swardt wrote:
> "Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

You should have given the source for those statements!


>
> > It is unacceptable that 139 schools nationwide still have a matric
> pass rate
> > of between 0% en 20%.
>
> > (Duncan Hindle, director general of education, finding the best
> Azanian
> > Newspeak adjective to detract from the fact that his Ministry's
> performance
> > just made it into the Guinness Book of Records for the first
> education
> > provider to have managed a perfect 0% pass-rate in a school with
> 672 pupils)
>
> Six hundred and seventy two pupils in matric? The matric pass rate
> refers to those who registered for and wrote the Senior Secondary
> Certificate. There are no schools in South Africa so large that
> there are 672 pupils in their final year of school.

... And Riaan didn't say that there are. Don't twist the word/writing
of other people here.

>
> And yes, it is unacceptable that there should be 139 schools in the
> country which have a matric pass rate of lower than 20%. Especially
> when one considers how easy matric (without exemption) actually is.

Easier then under "Bantu Education"?!


>
> What do you want him to say? That this is a laudable effort? It's
> a disgrace. Questioning this statistic is entirely justifiable.
>
> However, one should *also* be asking what the schooling conditions
> of these 139 schools are. Where are the schools situated? What are
> the educational qualifications of the teachers? What is the work
> record of the teachers like? What are the socio-economic conditions
> of the majority of the pupils? Why were problems not detected
> earlier in the schooling system? What subjects did the pupils
> undertake? What are the parents doing to deal with the problem?
> What are the pupils doing to deal with the problem? What is the
> provincial education department doing to deal with the problem?
> What school fees were paid by the pupils/their parents? And
> doubtless many others that I have not yet considered.

You have forgotten one very important question.

bigdude

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Jan 18, 2007, 2:05:40 PM1/18/07
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Riaan <ri...@is.co.za> wrote:

> The whole article was pasted from http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/. So
> please spare your comments for the guy who wrote it, not me merly posting it
> here you twit

Wait a minute! YOU paste some very controversial stuff in the NG without
acknowledging the source and get smarmy when people react and ask you
questions? Learn the USENET basics before you join the adults, kid.

--
bigD

Moira de Swardt

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"Schorsch" <bart...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> Moira de Swardt wrote:
> > "Riaan" <ri...@is.co.za> wrote in message

> You should have given the source for those statements!

To whom are you speaking here?

> > > It is unacceptable that 139 schools nationwide still have a
matric
> > pass rate
> > > of between 0% en 20%.

> > > (Duncan Hindle, director general of education, finding the
best
> > Azanian
> > > Newspeak adjective to detract from the fact that his
Ministry's
> > performance
> > > just made it into the Guinness Book of Records for the first
> > education
> > > provider to have managed a perfect 0% pass-rate in a school
with
> > 672 pupils)

> > Six hundred and seventy two pupils in matric? The matric pass
rate
> > refers to those who registered for and wrote the Senior
Secondary
> > Certificate. There are no schools in South Africa so large that
> > there are 672 pupils in their final year of school.

> ... And Riaan didn't say that there are. Don't twist the
word/writing
> of other people here.

Read what he said. It certainly does speak about *matric pass
rates* and then he speaks about a school with 672 pupils. In that
context. But then he does seem to have comprehension problems.

> > And yes, it is unacceptable that there should be 139 schools in
the
> > country which have a matric pass rate of lower than 20%.
Especially
> > when one considers how easy matric (without exemption) actually
is.

> Easier then under "Bantu Education"?!

I didn't, fortunately, have any experience of "Bantu Education".
But I do have experience of the current low standards for so-called
matriculants.

> > What do you want him to say? That this is a laudable effort?
It's
> > a disgrace. Questioning this statistic is entirely justifiable.

> > However, one should *also* be asking what the schooling
conditions
> > of these 139 schools are. Where are the schools situated? What
are
> > the educational qualifications of the teachers? What is the
work
> > record of the teachers like? What are the socio-economic
conditions
> > of the majority of the pupils? Why were problems not detected
> > earlier in the schooling system? What subjects did the pupils
> > undertake? What are the parents doing to deal with the problem?
> > What are the pupils doing to deal with the problem? What is the
> > provincial education department doing to deal with the problem?
> > What school fees were paid by the pupils/their parents? And
> > doubtless many others that I have not yet considered.

> You have forgotten one very important question.

As I said, doubtless many questions. Which one were you thinking
about?

Skokkie

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"bigdude" <du...@JRranch.com> wrote in message
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Er - I cannot fault that logic.


Bob Dubery

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Jan 19, 2007, 6:38:21 AM1/19/07
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Schorsch wrote:

> ... And Riaan didn't say that there are. Don't twist the word/writing
> of other people here.

I hope the forum can look to you to set an example in this regard.

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Schorsch

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Jan 22, 2007, 8:02:36 AM1/22/07
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And I'll be happy, if you could join me, Bob!

Bob Dubery

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But don't let that stop you living up to what you demand of others. If
it's the case that I live in some kind of moral or logical cesspit
there's nothing to force you to plumb my depths.

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Norman

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On Jan 13, 5:17 am, "skokkie" <glen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I hereby apologise profusely to all pigs who may have been insulted by my
> use of them as a comparison to big dude and all of the other 'merkin
> racists.
>
> Given that a pile of turd is not a sentient being and does not have
> feelings, it would be therefore more adequate to compare Big Dude and all of
> the 'Merkin racists to a pile of turd in future.-

Skokkie old chap I'm afraid you've lost me on this one. bigdude hasn't
shown any racist tendencies in this thread. You are in actual fact
arguing about different ways of saying the same thing & I have to say
he is correct about you resorting to ad hominems in this case..

Norman

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Well they wouldn't look to you, now would they Bob?


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