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amigocabal

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Dec 30, 2001, 9:25:52 PM12/30/01
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The pejorative word "kike" for Jews was coined by upper class New York
City Jews to refer to the masses of Eastern European Jewish immigrants
flooding into their city in the late 1800s. [GROSE, p. 32] Indigenous Jewish
Americans' sentiment about the new arrivals was little different than that
of the average "anti-Semite." "Prominent Jews in America," notes Albert
Lindemann, "seemed to corroborate precisely what Russian officials
maintained about Russia's Jewish population: it was clannish, religiously
fanatical, and bent on domination." [LINDEMANN, p. 219] "It is next to an
impossibility to associate or identify oneself," proclaimed influential
Reform rabbi Isaac Meyer Wise, "with that half-civilized Orthodoxy which
constitutes the bulk of the [Jewish] population in those cities ... We are
Americans and they are not. We are Israelites of the 19th century and a free
country, and they gnaw the dead bones of past centuries ... The good
reputation of Judaism must naturally suffer materially, which must without
fail lower our social status." [GROSE, p. 32-33] A Jewish journal in 1893
complained that, for the American Jew, "on the one hand, here are his true
relatives who are dear to him and whom he wants to help; on the other hand,
what a blemish!" [GROSE, p. 32]

"Not only were most [of New York's millions of Eastern European
immigrant] Jews uncultivated," says sociologist John Higham,

"but there is considerable evidence that they were loud,
ostentatious,
and pushing. Both Jews and friendly non-Jewish observers confessed
something of this kind ... In cartoons and in a good deal of middle
class opinion, the Jew became identified as the quintessential
parvenu
-- glittering with conspicuous and vulgar jewelry, lacking table
manners,
attracting attention by clamorous behavior, and always forcing his
way
into society that was above him ... Before the 1930s, sober an
humane
observers took note of the core of reality behind the stereotype
... The
Jews symbolized the pecuniary vice and entered more prominently
than
any other ethnic group into the struggle for status." [HIGHAM, p.
145-
146]

"Between 1881 and World War I," notes Joseph Bendersky,

"those Jews seen as the very physical embodiment of Old World
stereotypes were immigrating to America by the millions. These despised
Eastern Jews, so different in appearance, speech, and behavior, not
only confirmed but augmented negative perceptions already evident
in the era. So distinct and offensive were these immigrants that
certain German-American Jews worried about being identified
with them or wondered whether the very presence of such vulgar
masses might engender the European variety of vocal, political,
and violent anti-Semiism from which America had generally been
spared." [BENDERSKY, J., 2000, p. 34]


Emma Lazarus, a member of a prominent Jewish New York family and
author of the famous "welcome huddled masses" quote on the Statue of
Liberty, suggested that Eastern European Jewry should stop pouring into
America: "For the mass of semi-Orientals, kabbalists, and Hassidim, some
more practical measure of reforms must be devised than their transportation
to a state of society [the United States] utterly at variance with their
time-honored customs and sacred beliefs." [GROSE, p. 32] "Not content merely
to reject identification with Jews," notes Howard Sachar, "[Jewish author]
Simone Weil went so far as to identify the spirit of Nazism with the spirit
of Judaism; Hitler, she insisted, was seeking only to revive under another
name and for his own benefit the God of Israel, 'earthly, cruel, and
exclusive.' It was devotion to such a God, she argued, that transformed the
Jews into 'a nation of fugitive slaves ... No wonder such a people was able
to give scarcely anything good to the world.'" [SACHAR, p. 488]

Jewish "anti-Semitism" was also evidenced against Eastern European Jews
in pre-Nazi Germany where "many assimilated Jews ... considered themselves
culturally superior to the Eastern Jews ... [Jewish men of letters like]
Theodor Wolff, for instance, the editor of the Berliner Tagleblatt
newspaper, Georg Hermann, the author of the best-selling novel Jettchen
Gebert and others exploded in tirades of hatred against the foreign
undesirables." [GIDAL, N., p. 399] Walter Ratheneau, a Jewish high-ranking
German official in pre-Nazi Germany, noted under a pseudonym that Jews were
an "Asiatic horde" and a "population of foreign stock." "Look in the
mirror," he wrote, "This is the first step towards self-criticism."
[TRAVERSO, p. 94] "The hostility of German Jews toward the eastern European
Jewish immigrants (Ostjuden)," says Adam Weisberger, "represented a form of
redirected self-hate." [WEISBEGER, A., 1997, p. 48]

Jewish American novelist Kathy Acker (author of ten volumes) notes
traditional German Jewish elitism, even towards other Jews:

"My parents were high German Jews, and I was trained to run away
from Polish Jews. And I have that childhood in me. It's kind of a knee-
jerk reaction ... I was raised as a JAP [Jewish American Princess]; I
just got ousted. I think I still have little JAP elements. People who
know
me really see it. I'm really good when I have a dinner party or when
I have someone clean my place. I was trained to be good with servants.
I've got a real elitist streak in me; I just don't take it seriously."
[BRESSLER/KAUFMAN, 2000]

Norma Blankenfeld

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Dec 30, 2001, 11:08:37 PM12/30/01
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What is your source, please? This way too intellectual to have originated
from you. Norma


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amigocabal

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Norma Blankenfeld <nblan...@vax2.winona.msus.edu> wrote in message
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> What is your source, please? This way too intellectual to have originated
> from you. Norma

All my sources are jewish, not zionist, and are clearly indicated at the end
of each paragraph. Considering the level of intellect I am attempting to
relate to, I do not think it would be possible for someone like yourself to
make this discovery on your own!

Larry R

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Dec 30, 2001, 11:22:33 PM12/30/01
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It is also an untrue racist dissertation that in no way defines the
anti-semitic term K.I.K.E., coined in 2nd world war nazi Germany.
It is amigodopes attempt to slough off the fact that he still has no idea of
what he is talking about.
LARRY R.

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Paul Abeles

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Dec 30, 2001, 11:49:28 PM12/30/01
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The word kike originates from the word "keikl", in Yiddish, which
means "circle", the reason being that the first Jewish immigrants in
America, who were unable to sign their names, signed with a circle
instead of a cross.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/11-Miscellaneous/section-14.html

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tantum religio potuit suadere malorum
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Tom Shaw

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Dec 31, 2001, 11:58:28 AM12/31/01
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He is known to copy, verbatim, from other people's stuff and post it.
TS

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Tom Shaw

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Dec 31, 2001, 11:58:59 AM12/31/01
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Wrong. I heard the term kike in the US several years before WWII.
TS

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Amigocabal

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Dec 31, 2001, 5:21:50 PM12/31/01
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Larry R wrote:

> It is also an untrue racist dissertation that in no way defines the
> anti-semitic term K.I.K.E., coined in 2nd world war nazi Germany.
> It is amigodopes attempt to slough off the fact that he still has no idea of
> what he is talking about.

Elaborate if you know so much about the term not just slouch off as if it is
beneath you to discuss the matter!

Susan Cohen

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Dec 31, 2001, 5:40:51 PM12/31/01
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Tom Shaw wrote:

> Wrong. I heard the term kike in the US several years before WWII.

While amigocretin's post is correct, luckily it in no way makes *him*
correct. It merely makes hima plagerizer :-) "Kike" & "Sheeny" are
terms created by Jewish people - which is why I always laugh when
I see them being used. Who gives a damn, anyway???

Susan

amigocabal

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Dec 31, 2001, 10:18:39 PM12/31/01
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Tom Shaw <a000...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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> He is known to copy, verbatim, from other people's stuff and post it.
> TS
Isn't that nice that you know exactly what amigocabal is doing!

Rebecca Chua Enriquez

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Dec 31, 2001, 10:46:40 PM12/31/01
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This idiot hasn't had an original thought in years. He dredges up nonsense
from anti-Semitic websites and posts it to give the appearance of some sort
of independent intellectual endeavor. He cannot sustain honest debate, only
the launching of what he hopes are intellectual "bombs". He uses this
plagiarized garbage just as a drunk uses a lamppost - to support very shaky
propositions. He is worthy of a kill-file.

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Tom Shaw

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Jan 1, 2002, 6:06:48 PM1/1/02
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Hell I was just repeating what somebody demonstrated in another post which I
thought maybe the writer of the post I replied to was unaware of. Dont let
your light shine under a barrel.
TS

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amigocabal

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Rebecca Chua Enriquez <rebecc...@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
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> This idiot hasn't had an original thought in years. He dredges up nonsense
> from anti-Semitic websites and posts it to give the appearance of some
sort
> of independent intellectual endeavor. He cannot sustain honest debate,
only
> the launching of what he hopes are intellectual "bombs". He uses this
> plagiarized garbage just as a drunk uses a lamppost - to support very
shaky
> propositions. He is worthy of a kill-file.

Go ahead, make my day!

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