Medjugorje: The Message
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The message of Medjugorje is this:
All of humanity is called to repent of their
sins and to draw close to God.
According to the visionaries the way we can
go about this is to pray, fast, read scripture,
worship and repent of our sins.
Fasting - for the healthy this can be a bread
and water fast on Wednesdays and Fridays.
But this can also be a fasting from those
earthly things which get in the way of our
relationship with God. If you are unable to
fast on bread and water, you can give up
some favorite activity or pastime, favorite
food or beverage. But do it for a love of God
and with an open heart.
Prayer - the visionaries say that all prayer to
God is pleasing and they do not force any
one mode of prayer on anyone.
Scripture - take a line or two from scripture
and incorporate it into your day.
Worship - draw nearer to your faith
community, return to weekly worship if
you’ve fallen away.
Sin - repent of your sins, take stock of your
life and see where things have caused you to
turn away from God. Then strive to remove
those obstacles from your life.
This is the message of Medjugorje, this is
what is asked of us all regardless of who we
are.
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John Lauzon
frit...@vogel.net wrote:
: Forget it!
Our Lady in Medjugorje for 10 years to the day of the war called for 'PEACE'
and they didn't listen so they got their war.
John
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karl mamer
wri...@ime.net writes:
> For More Info try:
>
> http://www.medjugorje.com
>
> The message of Medjugorje is this:
>
> All of humanity is called to repent of their
> sins and to draw close to God.
>
> According to the visionaries the way we can
> go about this is to pray, fast, read scripture,
> worship and repent of our sins.
The New York Times reports that Nazi insignia are being
sold in the gift shop of St. James Church in Medjugorje.
Croatian soldiers, the Times correspondent reports,
often pin rosaries to their uniforms along with Nazi
swastikas or symbols of the Ustashe, the fascist
movement which ruled Croatia and that part of Bosnia
during the Nazi occupation in World War II.
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wri...@ime.net
Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
Mother has appeared in many apparitions
around the world.
Of these, the ones recognized by the Roman
Catholic Church have been very consistent:
Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
humans must convert their lives and return to
God or the current course of humanity will lead
to dire consequences.
So far, the messages from the visionaries in
Medjugorje have been consistent with this
message.
These Marian messages in the past and at
Medjugorje do not ask us to join any specific
political, social or religious group.
The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
to God through our own religious tradition.
That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
scripture and worship God.
It is true that the area of the world around
Medjugorje has been the scene of seemingly
endless violence and atrocities. It is also true
that the entire world has been the scene of
seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
It seems that no where on earth is there peace.
Rather than undermine the message, the
presence of unrest, both around Medjugorje
and in the rest of the world, only serves to
strengthen and reinforce the validity of the
Marian messages.
The world has by and large turned away from
God and is truly in a state of chaos. The
messages tell us that if we as a planet return to
the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
will reap the wind.
The choice is ours.
BarBie tHe DumB aSS
On Fri, 16 May 1997 07:02:00 GMT, bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
wrote:
>The story of Medjugorje has been on the news all over the world, in fact
>they've made a documentary about it and millions upon millions of people
>like me believe in it....now what are you going to do about us all
>Dodds...put us all in your... 'KILL FILE'??? ...:)
>
>God bless
>John...:)
John,
The story of Medjugorje is not the only story that has been and the
news around the world and it's certainly not the only nonsense people
believe in (after all, millions of Germans believed in Hitler, didn't
they, millions believed in Stalin or Marx, didn't they?)
Doctrines are like drugs, they may help you at one point but you don't
spend your whole life depending on them, unless you're really sick.
Just in case, read the following text that was posted on this group
long time ago about Medjugorje.
"There are thousands of Serbs, slaughtered by their Croat (Ustasha)
neighbors, and burried under the ground and in the caves of
Medjugorje, and this pathetic, psychodelic nonsense with "Gospa" is
not what they need. It was never even explained to those thousands of
gullible people, who come to pray there, what had actually happened in
that area 50 years ago."
" The fact is that thousands of tourists were (are) eating burgers,
sipping Coke and buying small plastic Virgin Mary(s), and all that on
top of someone's parents unmarked graves, slaughterhouse if you will.
This is NOT religion, and it is far from any faith. It's a bogus
Vatican nonsense, the savage feast of humiliation and disrespect for
the victims of one of the most brutal crimes in modern history."
I don't think you'd be thrilled to see thousnads of tourists partying
over your father's unmarked gravesite, especially about something so
ridiculous.
luv ya,
Barb
Demandred
On Fri, 16 May 1997 07:33:55 -0600, wri...@ime.net wrote:
>Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
>Mother has appeared in many apparitions
>around the world.
...or so the church would have us believe.
>Of these, the ones recognized by the Roman
>Catholic Church have been very consistent:
Is this the same RC church that discriminates against women in the
priesthood, supports ancient ideas of "family values" such as sexism
and homophobia, and whose priests rape altar boys?
Did I forget to mention the Inquisition, the Crusades, and various
atrocities perpetrated against "unbelievers," "infidels," and
"heretics" throughout the course of history?
>Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
>humans must convert their lives and return to
>God or the current course of humanity will lead
>to dire consequences.
Considering the violence wreaked in the name of "God" I think this is
the *last* thing the world needs.
>So far, the messages from the visionaries in
>Medjugorje have been consistent with this
>message.
>
>These Marian messages in the past and at
>Medjugorje do not ask us to join any specific
>political, social or religious group.
>
>The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
>to God through our own religious tradition.
>That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
>scripture and worship God.
So, you would have us sacrificing lambs every time a child is born?
Hell, it's in the Bible... (Leviticus 12:6)
>It is true that the area of the world around
>Medjugorje has been the scene of seemingly
>endless violence and atrocities. It is also true
>that the entire world has been the scene of
>seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
>
>It seems that no where on earth is there peace.
This is not specifically the fault of any one group of people,
Christian or otherwise. This is the fault of human nature. People
were fighting and killing long before anyone had heard of "God," and
will be doing so long after the last vestiges of Christianity are
wiped from our memories.
If history has one thing to teach us, it is that war is eternal. I'm
not saying it's a good thing, I'm just saying that that's the way it
is.
>Rather than undermine the message, the
>presence of unrest, both around Medjugorje
>and in the rest of the world, only serves to
>strengthen and reinforce the validity of the
>Marian messages.
>
>The world has by and large turned away from
>God and is truly in a state of chaos. The
>messages tell us that if we as a planet return to
>the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
>continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
>will reap the wind.
>
>The choice is ours.
Religion. Sheesh.
ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
wri...@ime.net wrote:
: Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
: Mother has appeared in many apparitions
: around the world.
So they say.
: Of these, the ones recognized by the Roman
: Catholic Church have been very consistent:
: Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
: humans must convert their lives and return to
: God or the current course of humanity will lead
: to dire consequences.
No sh!t, sherlock. But most of this destructive path was started by those
espousing the belief in the christian church...
: So far, the messages from the visionaries in
: Medjugorje have been consistent with this
: message.
And much overplayed. Religion's like a half-decent song - hear it too
much, you get sick of it. Religious spammers, like you, do more to drive
me away from the church than any other source I've seen yet.
: These Marian messages in the past and at
: Medjugorje do not ask us to join any specific
: political, social or religious group.
: The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
: to God through our own religious tradition.
: That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
: scripture and worship God.
And if I were a satanist? (I'm not, but for point of argument...)
: It is true that the area of the world around
: Medjugorje has been the scene of seemingly
: endless violence and atrocities. It is also true
: that the entire world has been the scene of
: seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
Often done (moreso in the past, though) in the name of religious
difference. Espousing the Medjugorje messages as the "one truth" does
nothing to ease that.
: It seems that no where on earth is there peace.
: Rather than undermine the message, the
: presence of unrest, both around Medjugorje
: and in the rest of the world, only serves to
: strengthen and reinforce the validity of the
: Marian messages.
Really? How?
: The world has by and large turned away from
: God and is truly in a state of chaos. The
Chaos is simply the opposite of stagnation. In the garden of Eden, man
was content with what he had, but since that first "sin," that is no
longer a viable possibility.
: messages tell us that if we as a planet return to
: the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
: continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
: will reap the wind.
I do not reject God; I reject his self-appointed messengers. And if He
rejects me because of that, so be it.
: The choice is ours.
Uh-huh. First thing I've agreed with. Now, to quote someone else, "take
it to ***.religion." You won't convert any of us by alienating us.
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L. Dodds (DELETE...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: OK, let's see if you have ANY logic whatsoever in that skull o' yours.
: 1) Is sex bad? If so, why?
In the religious context, it "draws people away from god." (I disagree
with that context, but...)
It's also necessary ("go forth and multiply") so there's a dichotomy
there.
: 2) Mankind is not going down a destructive path. In MANY cases we have grown
: and prospered and have shown that intelligence exists in some humans. Can you
: think of specific instances that support your claim that "Mankind is going
: down a destructive path"?
Pollution. Destruction of the rain forests. Extinction of several
species a year. All done in the name of greed (and often, with the idea
that they have God's blessing.)
: 3) Please, show me where in the industrialized world, exists a state of chaos.
Any war. Inner city crime. Usenet ;)
: 4) Is God a vengefull person? If so, will he smite those that shall be
: smoten? And who are those that shall be smoten? Is there a cut off date in
: which to dig god? What's the date?
God claims both vengeance, and love; He will smite those who wrong him,
but will forgive those who admit their mistakes and ask, in His son's
name, for forgivness. He's never set a date, sort of like surprise
inspections..
: wri...@ime.net alledgedly wrote:
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beergut
BarBie tHe DumB aSS wrote:
> "There are thousands of Serbs, slaughtered by their Croat (Ustasha)
> neighbors, and burried under the ground and in the caves of
> Medjugorje, and this pathetic, psychodelic nonsense with "Gospa" is
> not what they need. It was never even explained to those thousands of
> gullible people, who come to pray there, what had actually happened in
> that area 50 years ago."
You may correct me if I am wrong here Barbie, I think you are refering
to the croats, during the 2nd world war, that at gun point, joined up
with the germans and policed and slaughtered the serbs correct?
In this last confrontation, and hell there seems to be many coming from
that region, was it not the serbs that cut of the croats heads and
played football with them!. Was it not the serbs that cut open croat
pregant women, removed their babies and replaced them with live cats!
I worked with a croat, and this was his side of the story. I would be
interested in hearing yours. It seems to me that, as he lost over 20
family members, and his land, he may have a gripe here also.
That part of the world is responsible for starting more wars in history
then any other part of the world. I ask my co-worker, can there ever be
peace there? His answer, how can there be, if you see the man that raped
and killed your mother, would you not kill him.
All this silly religious crap aside, and I understand Croats were
Catholic and the serbs weren't, explain to me the attrocities?
regards beergut
BarBie tHe DumB aSS
On Sat, 17 May 1997 07:09:03 -0500, beergut <bee...@icenter.net>
wrote:
>You may correct me if I am wrong here Barbie, I think you are refering
>to the croats, during the 2nd world war, that at gun point, joined up
>with the germans and policed and slaughtered the serbs correct?
>In this last confrontation, and hell there seems to be many coming from
>that region, was it not the serbs that cut of the croats heads and
>played football with them!. Was it not the serbs that cut open croat
>pregant women, removed their babies and replaced them with live cats!
>I worked with a croat, and this was his side of the story. I would be
>interested in hearing yours. It seems to me that, as he lost over 20
>family members, and his land, he may have a gripe here also.
>That part of the world is responsible for starting more wars in history
>then any other part of the world. I ask my co-worker, can there ever be
>peace there? His answer, how can there be, if you see the man that raped
>and killed your mother, would you not kill him.
>All this silly religious crap aside, and I understand Croats were
>Catholic and the serbs weren't, explain to me the attrocities?
>
>regards beergut
The story is obviously too long to be told here but is you're
interested, keep reading whatever is posted here (tons of junk
included, unfortunately). There are good sources too, try Encyclopedia
of the Holocaust and see what Croats did to Serbs 50 years ago,
perhaps that'll explain a lot. As far as this war, butchers were on
BOTH sides, so your Croat friend is telling you just his side of the
story, the madness was tri-lateral, complete.
As it usually goes, big powers had their share of blame in this
madness, and as the time goes by, more and more objectivity is
expected to surge and explain things so that all propaganda crap will
eventually stay aside and you'll most likely find what one may call
"the real truth" in a year or so from now, perhaps a little later or
maybe even sooner, but some stuff is already emerging from the "secret
files" and a lot of dirty laundry is being exposed in the Croatian and
Muslim side as well, which just a year ago was inconceivable. So, be
patient and keep reading.
Take care,
Barb
Chris Hanzek
>That part of the world is responsible for starting more wars in history
>then any other part of the world.
What part of the world would that be? Europe? The Balkans? Former
Yugoslavia? I would disagree on every point.
beergut
> On Fri, 16 May 1997 07:33:55 -0600, wri...@ime.net wrote:
I plan on this being the last thing I say on this subject, I hope.
I have to agree with the woman that said " tramping on other peoples
graves!!!
I can't, for the life of me, imagine anyone justifing the desecration of
unmarked graves to sell beer, burgers and little plastic statues.
To me this is yet another Roman Catholic reason to make money!!
I gave up the R.C. religion for just that reason. I do not believe in
paying God's supposed messengers a duty to pray! And I was a damned
alter boy, and went to private catholic schools all my life. I watched
as my Monseignor collected the money, and then in the week was at the
horse race track here betting it!! You people have even set a
reccomended limit for contributions-10% of my salary-I think not!
You will never see priests marry. The main reason for this is the
Catholic church owns the property where the priest lives. In the event
of a divorce the wife, or mate :), would be intitled to half of the
land. That is the true reason, not celebacy! I have never seen a
religion so self centered around money as this one.
I believe that the site of this partying, Marg-whatever, should be shut
down!! You don't see any of this crap going on at the old concentration
camps in the world. Why should this be any different?
regards beergut
Galina
> >Mother has appeared in many apparitions
> >around the world.
>
>
> >Catholic Church have been very consistent:
>
> priesthood, supports ancient ideas of "family values" such as sexism
> and homophobia, and whose priests rape altar boys?
>
> Did I forget to mention the Inquisition, the Crusades, and various
> atrocities perpetrated against "unbelievers," "infidels," and
> "heretics" throughout the course of history?
>
> >humans must convert their lives and return to
> >God or the current course of humanity will lead
> >to dire consequences.
>
> the *last* thing the world needs.
>
> >Medjugorje have been consistent with this
> >message.
> >
> >Medjugorje do not ask us to join any specific
> >political, social or religious group.
> >
> >The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
> >to God through our own religious tradition.
> >That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
> >scripture and worship God.
>
> Hell, it's in the Bible... (Leviticus 12:6)
>
> >Medjugorje has been the scene of seemingly
> >endless violence and atrocities. It is also true
> >that the entire world has been the scene of
> >seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
> >
>
> Christian or otherwise. This is the fault of human nature. People
> were fighting and killing long before anyone had heard of "God," and
> will be doing so long after the last vestiges of Christianity are
> wiped from our memories.
>
> If history has one thing to teach us, it is that war is eternal. I'm
> not saying it's a good thing, I'm just saying that that's the way it
> is.
>
> >presence of unrest, both around Medjugorje
> >and in the rest of the world, only serves to
> >strengthen and reinforce the validity of the
> >Marian messages.
> >
> >God and is truly in a state of chaos. The
> >the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
> >continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
> >will reap the wind.
> >
>
> Religion. Sheesh.
It is not religion at fault, but the abuse of the same at fault. It is
always men concoting and acting out inhumanity to man. We were provided
with only the possibility of perfection and a guidebook. What we have
chosen to do is our own sin.
victor
> Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
> Mother has appeared in many apparitions
> around the world.
You are calling "Blessed Mother" what Jews call
a whore - since she gave the birth to Jesus
(by the way historical-archeological evidence
of Jesus existence was never proved) without
the legal husband - who by the way was Joseph.
We the Bosnians are not religious, since the
religion especially the catholic popes were setting
up crusade wars against us.
Secondly, if we believe, than we believe in Allah the
allmighty. Whether Allah is your God (since you,
we as well, think that there is only one God)
is up to you to decide.
Muslim religion is the very practical and the best one.
It teaches people how to be clean, how to be fit, and
how to organize the society and be the good citizen.
While you Catholics discuss what God thinks about the
world and why He does not arrange it better.
We do not want to be involved in your quarrels
with Jews, nor anybody, about what you understand God
looks like, what He thinks, and how He rules. We know
and understand that Medjugorje is a political trick
to push imbeciloidal Catholics to fight for their
stupid ideas in Bosnia. Those Catholics (I had
the opportunity to meet few of them) who resorts
to such nonsense are uneducated people without natural
intelligence therefore very forcefull in "proving" their
ideas. Since history have shown that such individuals
committed the worst possible crimes - in the name of God -
(in Mostar they shell the Muslims part of the town from
the church monastery in Balinovac) those individuals
in Bosnian view are subject to prosecution by the Law.
Now look at the nonsense of your own posting:
>
> Of these, the ones recognized by the Roman
> Catholic Church have been very consistent:
>
> Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
> humans must convert their lives and return to
> God or the current course of humanity will lead
> to dire consequences.
This statement of "destructive path" misses to say
even in your own view, what it is. New cars going
300 km/hour are improvement vs. 30 years old going
only 200 km/hour.
Internet, which you use, allows any individual to be
heard (including your stupidity) bringing the freedom
of speech to everybody on this planet. Etc. etc.
And then your forcefull statement: "all humans must
convert their lives and return to God ...", else
"... dire consequences." You are treatening a human kind.
Watch it! Treatening is a punishable crime by Laws of
any country (Bosnia not exempted).
>
> So far, the messages from the visionaries in
> Medjugorje have been consistent with this
> message.
>
> These Marian messages in the past and at
> Medjugorje do not ask us to join any specific
> political, social or religious group.
>
> The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
> to God through our own religious tradition.
> That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
> scripture and worship God.
What does it mean being closer to God? Not joining
any religious group. If it is worship Allah is it OK?
>
> It is true that the area of the world around
> Medjugorje has been the scene of seemingly
> endless violence and atrocities. It is also true
> that the entire world has been the scene of
> seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
It is not true that the entire world has been the
scene of seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
Catholic religious zealots comitted those attrocities
whereever and whenever they appeared, from Mexico to
Philipines.
>
[ ... ]
>
> The choice is ours.
Of cause, and it is an insult to normal mind to consider
the choice you suggest.
cha...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
L. Dodds (DELETE...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: OK, let's see if you have ANY logic whatsoever in that skull o' yours.
: 1) Is sex bad? If so, why?
And who says sex is bad? Sex is actually required for a good
marrage.
: 2) Mankind is not going down a destructive path. In MANY cases we have grown
: and prospered and have shown that intelligence exists in some humans. Can you
: think of specific instances that support your claim that "Mankind is going
: down a destructive path"?
Did war ever help the world solve problems, is the desert in
Africa getting any smaller, did no one die today?
: 3) Please, show me where in the industrialized world, exists a state of chaos.
Try the Government...
: 4) Is God a vengefull person? If so, will he smite those that shall be
: smoten? And who are those that shall be smoten? Is there a cut off date in
: which to dig god? What's the date?
God is not Vengefull, but he will destroy those who cannot live in
the holy city. He is coming back...When ? If we knew would we live better
lives? What if you knew but decided to live it up for a while, and was
then killed in a auto crash. We all get a chance, NOW...
: wri...@ime.net alledgedly wrote:
: ~ Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
: ~ Mother has appeared in many apparitions
: ~ around the world.
: ~
: ~ Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
: ~ humans must convert their lives and return to
: ~ God or the current course of humanity will lead
: ~ to dire consequences.
: ~
: ~ The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
: ~ to God through our own religious tradition.
: ~ That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
: ~ scripture and worship God.
: ~
: ~ It seems that no where on earth is there peace.
: ~
: ~ The world has by and large turned away from
: ~ God and is truly in a state of chaos. The
: ~ messages tell us that if we as a planet return to
: ~ the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
: ~ continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
: ~ will reap the wind.
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L. Dodds (DELETE...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: John.
: A quick question or three, did your parents love you? Did they believe you
: could do anything you wanted? Were you ever abused?
: Actually, this goes out to all. I was wondering if certain types of people
: are more conducive to religious dogma. A certain amount of ignorance?
: In any case, John, I hope you're not too disappointed when you pass on...
I hope not to be but I believe that's up to God. That's what Our Lady's
LAST apparitions to the world before the Chastisments are all about.
God bless
John...:)
Gordan Calma
victor (vic...@nortel.com) wrote:
> We the Bosnians are not religious, since the
> religion especially the catholic popes were setting
> up crusade wars against us.
> Secondly, if we believe, than we believe in Allah the
> allmighty. Whether Allah is your God (since you,
> we as well, think that there is only one God)
> is up to you to decide.
Speak in your own name, dude. You obviously cannot even differentiate between
a BosniaN and a BosniaK.
Gordan
ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
cha...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: L. Dodds (DELETE...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: : OK, let's see if you have ANY logic whatsoever in that skull o' yours.
: : 1) Is sex bad? If so, why?
: And who says sex is bad? Sex is actually required for a good
: marrage.
Sex also transmits many diseases, and if done irresponsibly can lead to
unfortunate pregnancies (where the child won't have a proper upbringing,
either because it's parents don't care, or because they care but can't
afford to do anything about it.) It also is the prime cause of world
overpopulation (not arguing about the reasons for that overpopulation,
just stating that sexual activity is always involved...)
: : 2) Mankind is not going down a destructive path. In MANY cases we have grown
: : and prospered and have shown that intelligence exists in some humans. Can you
: : think of specific instances that support your claim that "Mankind is going
: : down a destructive path"?
: Did war ever help the world solve problems, is the desert in
: Africa getting any smaller, did no one die today?
Deserts are just another type of environment; many have learned how to
live in such environments.
Man is not immortal; therefore death is inevitable. Seeing death as a
bad thing is, IMO, wrong. It is an essential part of the life cycle - the
end, where (theoretically) all the resources used up by the living are
returned to the environment to provide for the next generation.
War solves problems such as depressions (lots of jobs in a wartime
economy) overpopulation (wars tend to reduce the local populations) and
occasionally succeeds in writing injustices caused by other nations.
: : 3) Please, show me where in the industrialized world, exists a state of chaos.
: Try the Government...
Government isn't chaos; it's an over-abundance of order (often trying to
go so far along the order-spectrum that it circles back to the appearance
of chaos.)
: : 4) Is God a vengefull person? If so, will he smite those that shall be
: : smoten? And who are those that shall be smoten? Is there a cut off date in
: : which to dig god? What's the date?
: God is not Vengefull, but he will destroy those who cannot live in
: the holy city. He is coming back...When ? If we knew would we live better
: lives? What if you knew but decided to live it up for a while, and was
: then killed in a auto crash. We all get a chance, NOW...
And why would he want to destroy those who "cannot live in the holy city?"
Would it not be more beneficial to keep them in the "worldly city" or
whatever, on the chance that they may correct their ways and find Him
again?
And if God is coming back, does that indicate that he's abandoned us for
the time being? And if He has, what "right" (aside from being
all-powerful) does he have to rule us?
cha...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
wri...@ime.net wrote:
: Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
: Mother has appeared in many apparitions
: around the world.
Yes and people see UFO's too but we don't run and worship them.
: Of these, the ones recognized by the Roman
: Catholic Church have been very consistent:
The Church recognizes what? That someone saw something?
: Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
: humans must convert their lives and return to
: God or the current course of humanity will lead
: to dire consequences.
We don't need a vision of Mary to tell us this.
: So far, the messages from the visionaries in
: Medjugorje have been consistent with this
: message.
: These Marian messages in the past and at
: Medjugorje do not ask us to join any specific
: political, social or religious group.
Does Mary approve of every religious group?
She certainly approves of the Catholic Church...
Does she approve of all the devotion people give her?
Even Angels refuse any devotion from humans....
: The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
: to God through our own religious tradition.
: That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
: scripture and worship God.
Yes but if we read the Scriptures we would'nt need visions of
Mary. Nor would we be very concerned about Mary.
Mary did nothing for the Christion Church and the teachings about
her were only borrowed from the pagans who were worshiping anouther
goddess...Most Christian Churches (Catholics Excepted) don't have any
place for Mary in their Religion, But Rather Christ is more importent.
: The choice is ours.
Yes we do have a choice... Mary or Christ
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Galina
It is not Mary or Christ. Consider for a moment that Mary by bearing
Jesus held the entire universe in her womb. She was chosen to give
birth to God to fulfill a purpose "that we should not perish but have
everlasting life" that we might have the message of Christ on how to
live our lives.. This is what was given to christian and Muslim alike,
to all of the people of the book. What God's purpose is is a mysetery
and Mary is a part of that mystery. It is not Mary or Christ. It is
part of what we are allowed to know, we who have only the wisdom we
imagine ourselves to have and who also have the capacity to understand
that that wisdom is shallow, that our understanding is partial, that we
see only through a glass darkly. Consider even the value of Mary as an
icon (idea) of faith. She accepted what the angel Gabriel told her and
her purpose given from God. That level of faith is a lesson for us.
Galina
John,
I will repeat for another time that I still feel it odd, given the
history of the area, that Mary chose to speak in Croatian. I do not
judge by such a statement but only find it les than healing, less than
the purpose ascribed to her, the Birthgiver of God.
John Lauzon
Galina (sp...@erols.com) wrote:: > : In any case, John, I hope you're not too disappointed when you pass on...
: >
: > I hope not to be but I believe that's up to God. That's what Our Lady's
: > LAST apparitions to the world before the Chastisments are all about.
: >
: > God bless
: > John...:)
: John,
: I will repeat for another time that I still feel it odd, given the
: history of the area, that Mary chose to speak in Croatian. I do not
: judge by such a statement but only find it les than healing, less than
: the purpose ascribed to her, the Birthgiver of God.
Dear Galina, she spoke in Croatian because those she was speaking to
spoke Croatian. Jesus is the Prince of Peace and His mother is the Queen
of Peace. She was asking them for 10 years to the day (June 25/91) for
them to seek PEACE. The croatian word MIR for PEACE appeared in the sky
and stayed there for a whole day when her apparitions first began. If she
wasn't trying to heal the wound pruduced from the 2nd World War between
the occupants of that country than what was she trying to do? This
message of peace is now ment for the whole world, it appears that a far
greater war is in OUR future. Presently the former Yugoslavia still
appears to reject the message of PEACE...her messages are quickly
deleated from their newsgroups as they are from Canadian and American
newsgroups...if her message is not accepted there is going to be a
calamity the world has never before experienced and will never experience
again...even nature is showing it's distress and it will get worse...
Chris Hanzek
beergut <bee...@icenter.net> wrote:
>Chris Hanzek wrote:
>
>.> >That part of the world is responsible for starting more wars in
>history
>.> >then any other part of the world.
>
>.> What part of the world would that be? Europe? The Balkans? Former
>.> Yugoslavia? I would disagree on every point.
>
>You are entitled to disagree. I will stand by my statement that from "
>that" part of the world, starting with the former Yugoslavia to greece
>and turkey, more wars have started then any other section of the world
>that I know of. If I am wrong please feel free and correct me with some
>facts. Before the World war, Yugoslavia did not exist. Was it not
>Russia's idea to consolidate those countries into 1 and enforce
>Communism?
>
>regards beergut
Russia was too busy with its own problems to be thinking about the
expansion of communism. Remember that the White vs Red civil war was
still to come and the problem of Trotskyism(?) (spread communism) vs
Stalinism (communism in one country) was not solved yet.
In regards to the Balkans, if your speaking of the 20th Century, I might
consider your statement to be true. There were 2 Balkan Wars, one World
War (the Great War) and this latest war. If your speaking of history,
look to the places with the most of it: the Middle East, India and China.
John Lauzon
beergut (bee...@icenter.net) wrote:
: Chris Hanzek wrote:
:
: .> > That part of the world is responsible for starting more wars in
: .> What part of the world would that be? Europe? The Balkans? Former
: .> Yugoslavia? I would disagree on every point.
: You are entitled to disagree. I will stand by my statement that from "
: that" part of the world, starting with the former Yugoslavia to greece
: and turkey, more wars have started then any other section of the world
: that I know of. If I am wrong please feel free and correct me with some
: facts. Before the World war, Yugoslavia did not exist. Was it not
: Russia's idea to consolidate those countries into 1 and enforce
: Communism?
: regards beergut
You must be right beergut, why else would God send the 'Queen of Peace'
to the former Yugoslavia if it wasn't the center of world conflicts?...:)
John Lauzon
BarBie tHe DumB aSS (Bar...@clueless.edu) wrote:
: On Fri, 16 May 1997 07:02:00 GMT, bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
: wrote:
: >The story of Medjugorje has been on the news all over the world, in fact
: >they've made a documentary about it and millions upon millions of people
: >like me believe in it....now what are you going to do about us all
: >Dodds...put us all in your... 'KILL FILE'??? ...:)
: >
: >God bless
: >John...:)
: John,
: The story of Medjugorje is not the only story that has been and the
: news around the world and it's certainly not the only nonsense people
: believe in (after all, millions of Germans believed in Hitler, didn't
: they, millions believed in Stalin or Marx, didn't they?)
And why has communism in Europe fallen Barb? Gorbacheve said that the Pope
was 95% responsible for it's demise...:)
: Doctrines are like drugs, they may help you at one point but you don't
: spend your whole life depending on them, unless you're really sick.
Yeh..like communism...:)
: Just in case, read the following text that was posted on this group
: long time ago about Medjugorje.
: "There are thousands of Serbs, slaughtered by their Croat (Ustasha)
: neighbors, and burried under the ground and in the caves of
: Medjugorje,
Well give us some facts...proof...and the author and date of the article.
: and this pathetic, psychodelic nonsense with "Gospa" is
: not what they need.
Really..she askes them to make peace among themselves...what do you think
they need?
: It was never even explained to those thousands of
: gullible people, who come to pray there, what had actually happened in
: that area 50 years ago."
Our Lady "Queen of Peace" is a pretty good indication that something
terrible happened, whether it was in that area or not, and she didn't
want it to happen again.
: " The fact is that thousands of tourists were (are) eating burgers,
: sipping Coke and buying small plastic Virgin Mary(s), and all that on
: top of someone's parents unmarked graves, slaughterhouse if you will.
If there are 'unmarked' graves and YOU know about them, I'm sure if you
told the authorities they would do something about it but you would have
to go over there and point them out which I'm sure you would be happy to
do...:)
: This is NOT religion, and it is far from any faith. It's a bogus
: Vatican nonsense, the savage feast of humiliation and disrespect for
: the victims of one of the most brutal crimes in modern history."
The Vatican has nothing to do with Medjugorje except that those who wish
to go there to pray are given proper guidance and assistance by the
priests, if praying is showing disrespect for the dead than what would
you suggest they do??
: I don't think you'd be thrilled to see thousnads of tourists partying
: over your father's unmarked gravesite, especially about something so
: ridiculous.
They are not 'tourists' Barb, they're 'pilgrims' and when you show them
where the 'unmarked gravesites' are that you claim they're 'partying over'
I'm sure they will remedy the situation....:)
ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
victor (vic...@nortel.com) wrote:
: > Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
: > Mother has appeared in many apparitions
: > around the world.
: You are calling "Blessed Mother" what Jews call
: a whore - since she gave the birth to Jesus
: (by the way historical-archeological evidence
: of Jesus existence was never proved) without
: the legal husband - who by the way was Joseph.
I've seen documentation proving his existence. I've lost it since, but
it's there. (What I saw was proof that he rose from the dead, based on
evidence found at his tomb.)
: We the Bosnians are not religious, since the
: religion especially the catholic popes were setting
: up crusade wars against us.
As another said, you don't speak for all the Bosnians; quit trying to be
everyone.
: Secondly, if we believe, than we believe in Allah the
: allmighty. Whether Allah is your God (since you,
: we as well, think that there is only one God)
: is up to you to decide.
I've decided that it's the same being, choosing to show Himself to others
as would best fit their situation.
: Muslim religion is the very practical and the best one.
Uh-huh. Suuuuure.
: It teaches people how to be clean, how to be fit, and
: how to organize the society and be the good citizen.
Funny, I thought that was what the family was for?
And what constitutes being "the good citizen" and organizing society?
I'm pretty sure your definition of those will differ from mine, so I'd
like to hear them.
: While you Catholics discuss what God thinks about the
: world and why He does not arrange it better.
I've decided that he left the world for us to arrange, as a test of our
"worthiness." The crap in the world is our own fault, and not that of
God. I've also decided that organized religion, *all* organized religion,
is inherently corrupted.
: We do not want to be involved in your quarrels
: with Jews, nor anybody, about what you understand God
: looks like, what He thinks, and how He rules. We know
"We" again; apparently, that's inaccurate.
And "you" have apparently thrown yourself into the "quarrel," and have
done so behing the cowardly shield of a differing religion.
: and understand that Medjugorje is a political trick
: to push imbeciloidal Catholics to fight for their
: stupid ideas in Bosnia. Those Catholics (I had
Oops. I've never seen it that way; I saw the Medjugorje thing as an idea
offered up to believe in. Whether or not one fights for it should be that
persons choice (again, though, organized religion will often try to push
it's followers into the fight. That's the organization at fault, not the
believer.)
And have you never fought for an idea you believe in? Or are you so
arrogant as to believe that your ideas are not as stupid and imbecilic as
that of the Catholics?
: the opportunity to meet few of them) who resorts
: to such nonsense are uneducated people without natural
: intelligence therefore very forcefull in "proving" their
: ideas. Since history have shown that such individuals
: committed the worst possible crimes - in the name of God -
: (in Mostar they shell the Muslims part of the town from
: the church monastery in Balinovac) those individuals
: in Bosnian view are subject to prosecution by the Law.
Again I say it's not the individuals; it's the organization that
pushes / threatens / brainwashes it's followers into taking such actions.
: Now look at the nonsense of your own posting:
: >
: > Of these, the ones recognized by the Roman
: > Catholic Church have been very consistent:
: >
: > Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
: > humans must convert their lives and return to
: > God or the current course of humanity will lead
: > to dire consequences.
: This statement of "destructive path" misses to say
: even in your own view, what it is. New cars going
: 300 km/hour are improvement vs. 30 years old going
: only 200 km/hour.
New cars going faster doesn't argue against the "destructive path" idea.
In fact, 300km/hr cars may be a technological improvement, but it costs
many more lives due to human stupidity than the 200 km/hr cars did.
: Internet, which you use, allows any individual to be
: heard (including your stupidity) bringing the freedom
: of speech to everybody on this planet. Etc. etc.
And also giving the "idiots" a voice with which to speak their idiocy, and
draw others into it. Or did you not hear about the Heaven's Gate fiasco?
I'd say the internet balances itself out, as neither a good nor bad thing.
As with all human inventions it's neutral, with the good or evil being
part of the user, not the medium. (IE guns don't kill people, people kill
people. Guns just give another way to do it...)
: And then your forcefull statement: "all humans must
: convert their lives and return to God ...", else
: "... dire consequences." You are treatening a human kind.
He's warning human kind. The speaker (supposedly either God, or Mary) is
the one doing the threating. If, say, I said I was going to go kill you
(this is hypothetical, I have no such intention) and a friend of yours
overheard me and said to you "So-and-so is going to kill you" would he be
threatening you?
: Watch it! Treatening is a punishable crime by Laws of
: any country (Bosnia not exempted).
ANd it's one of the hardest crimes to punish.
: > So far, the messages from the visionaries in
: > Medjugorje have been consistent with this
: > message.
: >
: > These Marian messages in the past and at
: > Medjugorje do not ask us to join any specific
: > political, social or religious group.
: >
: > The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
: > to God through our own religious tradition.
: > That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
: > scripture and worship God.
: What does it mean being closer to God? Not joining
: any religious group. If it is worship Allah is it OK?
Speaking for my own interpretation of John's message from Medjugorje, I'd
say it is if you believe that Allah is God. (Remember, that god is just a
title; the christian/catholic text just names God after his title.)
: > It is true that the area of the world around
: > Medjugorje has been the scene of seemingly
: > endless violence and atrocities. It is also true
: > that the entire world has been the scene of
: > seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
: It is not true that the entire world has been the
: scene of seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
Name a place populated by humans that hasn't been the scene of violence
and atrocities.
: Catholic religious zealots comitted those attrocities
: whereever and whenever they appeared, from Mexico to
: Philipines.
And in north america (years before the catholics got here) the native
american tribes fought amongst each other for land, food, slaves (for some
tribes) etc. In europe, the Romans tried to conquer the entire world
before christianity had even begun to speak out. It's not the Catholics,
it's the greedy people at the top of the power structure pushing the
zealots into the fight.
: [ ... ]
: >
: > The choice is ours.
: Of cause, and it is an insult to normal mind to consider
: the choice you suggest.
It is an insult to *my* mind to be told when I should be insulted. The
choice he suggests is no less valid than the one you've chosen already.
Or the choice I've made.
Now go ask Allah to forgive you for being arrogant enough to believe you
speak for all His followers.
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nev...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
On Sun, 18 May 1997 19:22:28 -0600, vic...@nortel.com (victor) wrote:
> Muslim religion is the very practical and the best one.
> It teaches people how to be clean, how to be fit, and
> how to organize the society and be the good citizen.
> While you Catholics discuss what God thinks about the
> world and why He does not arrange it better.
>
You've lost your credibilty right here when you say it is "the
best one". As soon as you sight any position as the "best"
you become a zealot. It was and will always be the partisan
view that one's way is the only way that causes the conflict
and not religious differences.
beergut
Chris Hanzek wrote:
<snip>
OK pick 1, e-mail me or post to the news groups. I tire of reading you
twice!!
regards beergut
mirza borogovac
ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: : It is true that the area of the world around
: : Medjugorje has been the scene of seemingly
: : endless violence and atrocities. It is also true
: : that the entire world has been the scene of
: : seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
: : It seems that no where on earth is there peace.
: : Rather than undermine the message, the
: : presence of unrest, both around Medjugorje
: : and in the rest of the world, only serves to
: : strengthen and reinforce the validity of the
: : Marian messages.
: : The world has by and large turned away from
: : God and is truly in a state of chaos. The
: : messages tell us that if we as a planet return to
: : the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
: : continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
: : will reap the wind.
Eskimos are people that don't have any anger. They are forced to live without
anger becouse they depend on one another. They belive that anger is expresed
only by little children, crazy people, and white people. The last I heard,
eskimos were not Catolic.
This proves that you don't have to belive to a specific scripture to be a
good person.
Mirza
Broom
Gordan Calma wrote:
>
> victor (vic...@nortel.com) wrote:
>
> > We the Bosnians are not religious, since the
> > religion especially the catholic popes were setting
> > up crusade wars against us.
>
> > allmighty. Whether Allah is your God (since you,
> > we as well, think that there is only one God)
> > is up to you to decide.
>
> a BosniaN and a BosniaK.
> Gordan
Dear Gordan,
The difference between Bosnian and Bosniak is of no great importance at
all. It has the same meaning, just the same as if I call you
unintelligent or stupid. It says the same thing. The person crying
from his heart was lead by God to complain of the injustice done to
him. And you Mr. what could one tell you for your obscenities eh? Just
remember there are Moslems and there are Moslems. I don't know if you
are one, but if you are one and go against you own brother than you are
not one. simple logic. You might call youself anything you like, but
the moment you open your mouth you show who you really are. So don't
post unless you have somthing clever to say, something we could all
learn from in our search for the truth, whether we are catholics,
muslims, Hindu, Jews or whatever. There are some of us who are looking
forward to a real NEW World Order, based on equality, mutual respect,
understanding and love.
Regards Broom
--
MZ
beergut
Y Rapido wrote:
.> rap: Wars in the Balkans during the 20th Century were instigated
.> by the European (and American) geostrategic headquarters. People
.> of the Balkans were merely "puppets", "tools". Is someone going
.> to blame the World Wars on the Balkans ?! What a sick joke !
.>
.> The slaughter of Bosnians in the 1990's was a part of global
.> geostrategic battles ... and a part of the strategy to exterminate
.> one targeted nation (Bosnian nation, a.k.a. muslims) on the
.> continent of Europe. UN/NATO have actively participated in
.> that war as masterminds, contorllers and warriors ...
You are an idiot!!! Canadian soldiers gave up their lives try to help
the people in the Balkins. I personally don't give a damn if you all
want to kill each other...go for it...fast!! Let us bring back our
troops serving there right now, and the we'll help you. Nuke the damn
place I say! You beg for help, it comes and you belittle it!! I don't
know why this Balkin shit is coming up in wpg.general, but I for one
would appreciate it if you kept it to yourselves. I don't CARE what
happens there! Never did, never will.
victor
In article <338155d8...@news.supernews.com>,
nev...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
Of cause there are best things - that's were the hierarchy comes
from. We can discuss which thing is better than the other. However,
we do not need to fight. And here we are: guys who do not have an
argument, who do not want to change toward better (both the signs
of lower minds), usually want to enforce their truth. They are not
for co-existence, since the "right guys" always pose the treat for
the "bad guys". That's always the cause of conflict.
Barry S. Marjanovich
On Tue, 20 May 1997, beergut wrote:
> You are an idiot!!! Canadian soldiers gave up their lives try to help
> the people in the Balkins. I personally don't give a damn if you all
> want to kill each other...go for it...fast!! Let us bring back our
> troops serving there right now, and the we'll help you. Nuke the damn
> place I say! You beg for help, it comes and you belittle it!! I don't
> know why this Balkin shit is coming up in wpg.general, but I for one
> would appreciate it if you kept it to yourselves. I don't CARE what
> happens there! Never did, never will.
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Followers of Gen. Lewis MacKenzie
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Bosnian sex scandal tars Canadian army
CANADIAN soldiers on peacekeeping duties in Bosnia have been accused
of engaging in drunken rampages of looting and sexual abuse, including
attacks on patients in a mental hospital, writes James Adams.
Forty-seven soldiers from the 12th Armoured Regiment may be discharged
following an official report last week. Another 10 soldiers involved
have already left the army.
The soldiers were stationed at the mental hospital at Bakovici to
protect doctors and nurses. But they attacked patients, stole from
locals and had sex with nurses and interpreters. There was repeated
drunkenness and a 17-year-old female patient had her head, armpits and
genital area shaved by a soldier. Equipment was sold on the black
market and the loss of a machinegun was covered up.
After two years of internal investigations, the Canadian defence
minister appointed an outside investigator. His report attacked the
military for delaying investigations.
The scandal is just the latest to hit the Canadian armed forces, who
were accused of torture and murder during peacekeeping operations in
Somalia. Last year General Jean Boyle, chief of defence staff, was
forced to resign after allegations that he had allowed a cover-up.
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John Lauzon
Y Rapido (rap...@eskimo.com) wrote:
: Bosnian nation got the message of Medjugoje really well:
: more than 200 000 dead, twice that many wounded/maimed,
: half of the nation expelled and the entire nation traumatized,
: their native Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina (home of the
: the pilgrimage site, to boot) totally destroyed and rendered.
: Keep those messages coming ... we are eager recipients of
: those peace loving graces bestowed on our nation !
Too bad you didn't listen to her for the "10 years-to-the-day" prior to the
war, you might have stopped the events you mention! You didn't listen,
you suffered the consequences, and the whole world is going to also suffer
because they won't listen...:(
God bless
John
ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
John Lauzon (bk...@torfree.net) wrote:
: Y Rapido (rap...@eskimo.com) wrote:
: : Bosnian nation got the message of Medjugoje really well:
: : more than 200 000 dead, twice that many wounded/maimed,
: : half of the nation expelled and the entire nation traumatized,
: : their native Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina (home of the
: : the pilgrimage site, to boot) totally destroyed and rendered.
: : Keep those messages coming ... we are eager recipients of
: : those peace loving graces bestowed on our nation !
: Too bad you didn't listen to her for the "10 years-to-the-day" prior to the
: war, you might have stopped the events you mention! You didn't listen,
: you suffered the consequences, and the whole world is going to also suffer
: because they won't listen...:(
Unless, of course, you're wrong...
Of course, that's completely inconceivable, isn't it? I mean, the
Medjugorje visions _are_ the only truth left in this world, aren't they?
It's not even remotely possible to find peace with God (or Allah, or
whomever) without these messages being constantly thrown in our faces,
isn't it?
And what makes you thing we're not listening? Sure, I sit and flame you
constantly, but it's mostly on presentation, not the message. I accept
that there may be some validity to your message; I'm just not convinced
it's the "only path" you seem to claim it is.
: God bless
: John
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ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
victor (vic...@nortel.com) wrote:
: In article <5lrh3k$bdg$1...@news.sas.ab.ca>, ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
: > victor (vic...@nortel.com) wrote:
: > : > The choice is ours.
: >
: > : Of cause, and it is an insult to normal mind to consider
: > : the choice you suggest.
: >
: > It is an insult to *my* mind to be told when I should be insulted. The
: > choice he suggests is no less valid than the one you've chosen already.
: > Or the choice I've made.
: >
: Perhaps you are the mind which cannot be insulted. Agree. Your name
: Kaos, which I presume resembles chaos is well chosen. Your posting is
: very consistent with you name.
Accurate on almost all counts (I can be insulted, obviously; it's just
very hard.)
I take this as a compliment, and thank you for that.
nev...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
On Wed, 21 May 1997 01:47:52 GMT, Y Rapido <rap...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>
> rap: Wars in the Balkans during the 20th Century were instigated
>by the European (and American) geostrategic headquarters. People
>of the Balkans were merely "puppets", "tools". Is someone going
>to blame the World Wars on the Balkans ?! What a sick joke !
>
>The slaughter of Bosnians in the 1990's was a part of global
>geostrategic battles ... and a part of the strategy to exterminate
>one targeted nation (Bosnian nation, a.k.a. muslims) on the
>continent of Europe. UN/NATO have actively participated in
>that war as masterminds, contorllers and warriors ...
>
Nah nah nah, it was WOPR in the mountain tunnel in Colorado
that started it when I used my acoustic coupler to play a simple
game of tic-tac-toe.
Speaking of the Balkans, live long and prosper.
Galina
Broom,
I think you make a small mistake here in interprettion of Gordan's
words, because he is right when he says small differences in spellin
like between Bosniak and Bosnian were reaosn for strife. If one wants
only BOsian for example, maybe one person wants a Muslim only state and
to even convert those people of no religion? If one wants only Bosnian
one might only want a Christian state, perhaps even a simply Serb or
simply Croatian one. So you are right when you say the spelling
shouldn;t matter and he is right when he says spelling causes problems
so one should be careful. You are both , however, speaking form
INCLUSIONIST perspectives, which is the self same good goal.
lu...@ibm.net
In article <5lscg7$1...@news.bu.edu>,
Mirza,
If Eskimos don't have any anger, how do they know what anger
is?
Regards, LUOS
-----------------
Galina
I meant if one wants, first BOsniak
then, if one wants BOsnian
More i think about it, Gordon is only half right. We have to LEARN not
to make the distinctions, no matter what has happened. For example,
when someone says the Serbs don't deserve to live in the Krajina anymore
becuase of what they did or because many left in fear of their own
choice, what do we say? We say we have learned to exclude and if we say
that then we say that we have learned that we can be excluded if the
Serbs wish then to exlcude some other people.
The people are not the problem, the leaders are and the people who have
not learned to say no, to fight for right.
Atrocity directors
Atrocity committers
Atrocity enablers
Atrocity deniers (also enablers)
Atrocity apologizers and limiters (inclusive of those people who tend to
look at regions "strategically" rather than as full of real, live
people).
All these are guilty and yet there are differences in the guilt in this
group. I would put them in that order and would say that anyone who did
not do what they could to act against or speak out against what was
happening. In reading the book Mass Rape I was struck by the actions of
one woman who said that even under torture and mass mape of both herself
and her prepubescent daughter, the worst thing that a mother could
endure knowledge of on a continuing basis, she did not give information
about where other Bosnians were hiding, how many were their weapons or
identify even the dead becuase she felt that it was better to give her
life than that of several hundred others. What kind of bravery is often
the question and when we look at ourselves, we realize our lack of
bravery.
Galina
Cam Mayor
In article <5lof0e$gqm$1...@news.sas.ab.ca>,
<cha...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>She [Mary] certainly approves of the Catholic Church...
>Does she approve of all the devotion people give her?
>Even Angels refuse any devotion from humans....
Not true - the Fallen Angels and messengers of evil require
devotion. Read into that as you will.
happy to stir the pot,
cam
Cam Mayor
In article <5lscg7$1...@news.bu.edu>, mirza borogovac <ha...@bu.edu> wrote:
>
> Eskimos are people that don't have any anger.
That's because they're imaginary people. Tell me about the Inuit instead.
cam
Cam Mayor
In article <5loc6e$9lc$1...@news.sas.ab.ca>,
<cha...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>:2) Mankind is not going down a destructive path.
> Did war ever help the world solve problems, is the desert in
>Africa getting any smaller, did no one die today?
1) yes, war has helped solve world problems.
2) what does the desert have to do with anything? deserts have grown
and shrank on earth for MILLIONS of years. As a side note to
somebody's comment about extinction: sure, it's sad, but 99%
of all the species that ever existed on earth are currently
extinct. see: death is bad?
3) You think death is bad? Doesn't it bring you closer to your god?
What if nobody died? The entire mass of the earth would soon
be replaced by a really big stinky ball of unhappy people floating
through space. Death allows new things to grow.
cam
Cam Mayor
In article <victor-1805...@crchmf73.rich.bnr.ca>,
victor <vic...@nortel.com> wrote:
>
> Muslim religion is the very practical and the best one.
> It teaches people how to be clean, how to be fit, and
> how to organize the society and be the good citizen.
Don't forget that it also teaches people that women are
second class citizens.
cam
petrovic
Dear Ms. Galina,
Thank you for correcting me. I have already apologized to Mr.Gordan
Calma this morning for my jumping to conclusions before learning the
facts. Sorry again.
Regards
Broom
--
MZ
broom
Dear Mr. Marjanovic,
I would like to point out to you certain things of which you are
probably not aware. You are right, there has been some misconduct among
the Canadian Forces serving as peacekeepers in various areas around the
world. There has been a lot of misconduct and inhuman behavior among
the soldiers of the three warring parties in Yougoslavija. In fact the
atrocities committed by your people against your own people in that war
far exceeds anything that Canadian soldiers can be accused of. I
personally am not condoning the actions by the few soldiers, and I
believe, the majority of Canadians don't either. Granted, the culprits
should be punished like any other criminal as their actions makes them
nothing less than that. Your argument, however seem to be with the
Canadian people.
Let me remind you, it was the government of Canada elected by the
people and empowered, if I am not mistaken, to introduce the idea of
Peacekeepers. Canadian peacekeepers have served more than any other
nation in the world in all hot spots to keep the peace , prevent killing
of innocent civilians, and prevent the spreading of the conflict to
neighboring states, often, very often at their own peril. And, don't
forget it is ordinary Canadian workers by paying taxes that financed
such huge operations. It is also Canadian compassion that prompt them
always to be first in giving a helping hand to anybody in need So, if
you want to accuse the few misfits in the Armed forces, go ahead, but I
think you owe an apology to the Canadian people for having taken such a
rigorous campaign in order to discredit them.
sincerely
Mr. Broom
ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Cam Mayor (ma...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: In article <5lscg7$1...@news.bu.edu>, mirza borogovac <ha...@bu.edu> wrote:
: >
: > Eskimos are people that don't have any anger.
: That's because they're imaginary people. Tell me about the Inuit instead.
That's nothing more than semantics; the Inuit is what they called
themselves, Eskimo (meaning something like "eaters of raw meat") is what
they got called by others.
Both words refer to the same people - Inuit is just more respectful.
(Which is why I hesitate to make the above statements; I consider eskimo
a derogative term, and don't approve of its use in general.)
: cam
ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Cam Mayor (ma...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: In article <5loc6e$9lc$1...@news.sas.ab.ca>,
: <cha...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:
: >
: >:2) Mankind is not going down a destructive path.
: >
: > Did war ever help the world solve problems, is the desert in
: >Africa getting any smaller, did no one die today?
: 1) yes, war has helped solve world problems.
Agreed, partially. War has also been the cause of many problems.
: 2) what does the desert have to do with anything? deserts have grown
: and shrank on earth for MILLIONS of years. As a side note to
: somebody's comment about extinction: sure, it's sad, but 99%
: of all the species that ever existed on earth are currently
: extinct. see: death is bad?
Agreed about the deserts. As I said before, deserts are simply a
different environment, albeit one more harsh than many others.
Extinction, though, is a bad thing. Death of an individual member of a
species, though sad to the ones who cared about it, is not a bad thing,
but the death of entire species is, unless something is replacing that
species.
: 3) You think death is bad? Doesn't it bring you closer to your god?
: What if nobody died? The entire mass of the earth would soon
: be replaced by a really big stinky ball of unhappy people floating
: through space. Death allows new things to grow.
Actually, death is inevitable; that big stinky ball of unhappy people
would soon run out of food, disease would spread like wildfire, and people
would be dying in droves (though suffering more on the way.)
Gordan Calma
Broom (cll...@ibm.net) wrote:
> >
> > Speak in your own name, dude. You obviously cannot even differentiate between
> > a BosniaN and a BosniaK.
> > Gordan
> Dear Gordan,
> The difference between Bosnian and Bosniak is of no great importance at
> all. It has the same meaning, just the same as if I call you
> unintelligent or stupid. It says the same thing. The person crying
> from his heart was lead by God to complain of the injustice done to
> him. And you Mr. what could one tell you for your obscenities eh? Just
> remember there are Moslems and there are Moslems. I don't know if you
> are one, but if you are one and go against you own brother than you are
> not one.
I am a BOSNIAN and I am not a Muslim. Surprised??? Of course that you
cannot understand this, because you mix up two very different meanings.
A Bosnian is a person living in Bosnia (including Bosniaks, Croats, Serbs,
Romes, Hungarians or Eskimos living in Bosnia). On contrary, a Bosniak is
a person of specific nationality (mainly Muslim religion). And stop
bubbling about the brotherhood, for I love my neighbour if he is a good person
regardless of his religion or nationality.
And these stupid things, as you say, of mixing up two meanings, or
purposefully changing their meanings are one of the major causes of this
bloody war.
Regards and salut if you are a good person, without stereotypes and
prejudices, a person against insanity and madness of war
Gordan, a BosniaN, and not a BosniaK
John Lauzon
ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: : : Bosnian nation got the message of Medjugoje really well:
: : : more than 200 000 dead, twice that many wounded/maimed,
: : : half of the nation expelled and the entire nation traumatized,
: : : their native Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina (home of the
: : : the pilgrimage site, to boot) totally destroyed and rendered.
: : : Keep those messages coming ... we are eager recipients of
: : : those peace loving graces bestowed on our nation !
: : Too bad you didn't listen to her for the "10 years-to-the-day" prior to the
: : war, you might have stopped the events you mention! You didn't listen,
: : you suffered the consequences, and the whole world is going to also suffer
: : because they won't listen...:(
: Unless, of course, you're wrong...
: Of course, that's completely inconceivable, isn't it? I mean, the
: Medjugorje visions _are_ the only truth left in this world, aren't they?
: It's not even remotely possible to find peace with God (or Allah, or
: whomever) without these messages being constantly thrown in our faces,
: isn't it?
: And what makes you thing we're not listening? Sure, I sit and flame you
: constantly, but it's mostly on presentation, not the message. I accept
: that there may be some validity to your message; I'm just not convinced
: it's the "only path" you seem to claim it is.
Since God must think it is very necessary to send the Blessed Virgin Mary,
thousands of times in succession, to every part of the world, to guide
humanity away from it's own evermore reliant dependancy upon the Satanic
forces of hate and self destruction...yes, "I believe" it is the "only
path" God is leaving to humanity, either you accept what she is telling us
or you will reap the wrath of God. That is why Our Lady's messages
are so very important to the world. Each individual soul is asked to make an
effort to reunite itself with God..to whom it belongs..now..because the
time is short and God's patience and tolerance with the sins of humanity
has ended, we are now faceing the choice between absolute good or absolute
evil, there will be NO...middle ground...!.
Chris Hanzek
Y Rapido <rap...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>Chris Hanzek wrote:
>
>> In regards to the Balkans, if your speaking of the 20th Century, I
>> might
>> consider your statement to be true. There were 2 Balkan Wars, one
>> World
>> War (the Great War) and this latest war. If your speaking of
>> history,
>> look to the places with the most of it: the Middle East, India and
>> China.
>
> rap: Wars in the Balkans during the 20th Century were instigated
>by the European (and American) geostrategic headquarters. People
>of the Balkans were merely "puppets", "tools". Is someone going
>to blame the World Wars on the Balkans ?! What a sick joke !
>
>The slaughter of Bosnians in the 1990's was a part of global
>geostrategic battles ... and a part of the strategy to exterminate
>one targeted nation (Bosnian nation, a.k.a. muslims) on the
>continent of Europe. UN/NATO have actively participated in
>that war as masterminds, contorllers and warriors ...
>
Rap. I agree with your first paragraph. The average person thinks that
World War I started in the Balkans but they do not know what roles the
Great Powers (Russia, France, Germany and Austria-Hungary) played to
instigate the conflict. Why you think the United States was very
involved at this stage I'm not sure. They were playing the isolationist
game.
Your second paragraph sounds very paranoid. Why do you think this? Why
does the UN and NATO fear tolerant muslims in Europe?
Chris
ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Cam Mayor (ma...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: In article <5lvvnb$bk8$2...@news.sas.ab.ca>, <ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:
: >Cam Mayor (ma...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: >
: >: That's because they're [Eskimos] imaginary people. Tell me about the Inuit
: >
: >That's nothing more than semantics;
: >Both words refer to the same people - Inuit is just more respectful.
: Although i didn't say that directly, I was trying to imply that the writer
: should consider not using the word Eskimo, and use the non-derogatory
: word Inuit.
My apologies, then, for the correction. Or perhaps not - others may be
even less aware of such implications than I, in which case the less subtle
statement is necessary.
OTOH, you're response, if taken in the right light, was much more
entertaining than mine...
Cam Mayor
In article <5157cd$162239.278@PolarNet>,
Floyd Davidson <fl...@polarnet.com> wrote:
>
>Inuit (the plural of Inuk, meaning a person who is real as opposed
>to a person who is not human) are one type of Eskimo people, who
>speak one of the Eskimo languages, and are the only Eskimo people
>who live in Canada and Greenland. All Inuit are Eskimos, but not
>all Eskimos are Inuit...
[cut and paste]
> They will look away from you, and laugh. (Commonly
>that is assumed, by non-Eskimos, to mean they agree with you, but
>what it really means is your ignorance is too embarrassing to even
>acknowledge, because doing so is an insult. They will NOT insult
>you by suggesting that you are wrong, like I will...)
Well, if this is true, I tip my hat and thank you for bettering me.
Like I've always claimed, before knowledge you must have ignorance.
I must admit that my experience of the Northern people has only been
in Canada, and hence has limited me. Of course, I don't believe you
at face value (as with all things from the `net), but I'll now keep
my eye open for this. I still have it ingrained in me to not use
the word Eskimo, though.
>Since Canadians in general are only aware of scriptures, and
I'm not sure what is meant by this line.
cheers,
cam
ha...@bu.edu
In article <8642372...@dejanews.com>,
>
> If Eskimos don't have any anger, how do they know what anger
> is?
>
> Regards, LUOS
>
As I said before, they have seen it in little children, crazy people, and
white people.
mirza
beergut
Well it's raining here in Winnipeg today. Kinda chilly also. The leaves
are starting to come out, and things will get green.
regards beergut
beergut
Hi again....you might also care to know I had a ham soup for lunch
today. I acctually made it my self. Rather good if I do say so myself.
regards beergut
beergut
Demandred wrote:
<snip>
well supper was great thanks :)
Galina
What kind of beer, Beergut? I personally prefer Mount Vernon Porter by
the Potomac River Brewing Company in Chantilly, VIrginia. House about
you?
lu...@ibm.net
In article <8643293...@dejanews.com>,
--------------------
Mirza,
Are you implying that if an Eskimo sees an angry non white person, he
will consider him insane?
LUOS
Galina
Are we all bored here, or what, friend turning on a friend
broom
karl mamer wrote:
>
> bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon) writes:
>
> > Since God must think it is very necessary to send the Blessed Virgin Mary,
> > thousands of times in succession, to every part of the world, to guide
> > humanity away from it's own evermore reliant dependancy upon the Satanic
> > forces of hate and self destruction...yes, "I believe" it is the "only
> > path" God is leaving to humanity, either you accept what she is telling us
> > or you will reap the wrath of God. That is why Our Lady's messages
> > are so very important to the world. Each individual soul is asked to make an
> > effort to reunite itself with God..to whom it belongs..now..because the
> > time is short and God's patience and tolerance with the sins of humanity
> > has ended, we are now faceing the choice between absolute good or absolute
> > evil, there will be NO...middle ground...!.
>
> believers all around the world. Hey, remember that milk drinking
> elephant statue a year back? Deal with it: all faiths have
> their miraculous visions, healings, prophesies that come true,
> etc. In fact, if you check out sci.skeptic, you will see
> April 4 1997 I made 13 predictions. As of today, 6 have come
> true.
>
> --
> "All the best bands are affliated with Satan."
>
> Visit the Conspiracy Arc-Hive!
> http://www.netizen.org/Arc-Hive
And Jesus said: 'God is Love' How on earth a God which is Love can also
explode in anger, or wrath as you, John would put it. Get your act in
order. Read the Bible, you may learn something in there. And when you
finish with the Bible read the scriptures of other religions and see if
you find any diffeent message.
Regards
Broom
--
MZ
broom
Michael Sells wrote:
>
> In article <EAGrr3.Jr...@torfree.net>, bk...@torfree.net (John
> Lauzon) wrote:
>
> > beergut (bee...@icenter.net) wrote:
> > : Chris Hanzek wrote:
> > :
> > : .> > That part of the world is responsible for starting more wars in
> > : .> > history then any other part of the world.
> >
> > : .> What part of the world would that be? Europe? The Balkans? Former
> > : .> Yugoslavia? I would disagree on every point.
> >
> > : You are entitled to disagree. I will stand by my statement that from "
> > : that" part of the world, starting with the former Yugoslavia to greece
> > : and turkey, more wars have started then any other section of the world
> > : that I know of. If I am wrong please feel free and correct me with some
> > : facts. Before the World war, Yugoslavia did not exist. Was it not
> > : Russia's idea to consolidate those countries into 1 and enforce
> > : Communism?
> >
> > : regards beergut
> >
> > You must be right beergut, why else would God send the 'Queen of Peace'
> > to the former Yugoslavia if it wasn't the center of world conflicts?...:)
> >
> > God bless
> > John...:)
>
> Uh, John! Are you there? The Queen of Peace came to Medjugorje in 1981,
> when the area was at peace. After 13 years of her messages, Medjugorje
> was the center of the Mostar-mafia criminals and the HVO
> criminals-against-humanity. Expeditions were sent out from Medjugorje to
> exterminate non-Catholics and dynamite mosques and Orthodox churches.
> Some of them were led by Dr. Vlade Palameto, an HVO extremist from Stolac
> whose headquarters are in Medjugorje. Dario Kordic, the most notorious
> mass-killer and indicted war-criminal in Croatia comes to Medjugorje to
> meet with his friend and sponsor Croatian President Franjo Tudjman.
>
> Now John, tell us:
>
> Does the Queen of Peace preach ethnic cleansing, concentration camps,
> extermination, and annihilation of mosques and Orthodox churches?
>
> Or are the present rulers of Medjugorje and those who profit from the
> millions of pilgrims, and profit handsomely, carrying out a policy that
> is a direct repudiation of everything the Queen of Peace asks?
>
> Please do respond,
>
> Mike
You don't really expect John to respond, do you? he must consult first
with the Queen of peace in Medjugorje. And from what I heard she can't
use the internet nor the telephone. so wait a while until John gets
back.
--
MZ
Galina
Well, don;t expect me to help. She only speaks Croatian and Hebrew.
Floyd L. Davidson
I posted a response to this earlier, but the server seems to have crashed
and that article may never show up at all.
<ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:
>Cam Mayor (ma...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
>: <ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:
>: >Cam Mayor (ma...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
>: >
>: >: That's because they're [Eskimos] imaginary people. Tell me about the Inuit
>: >:instead.
>: >
>: >That's nothing more than semantics;
That is very true!
>: >Both words refer to the same people - Inuit is just more respectful.
But that is not...
>: Although i didn't say that directly, I was trying to imply that the writer
>: should consider not using the word Eskimo, and use the non-derogatory
>: word Inuit.
>
>My apologies, then, for the correction. Or perhaps not - others may be
>even less aware of such implications than I, in which case the less subtle
>statement is necessary.
The word "Eskimo" refers to a number of different cultures,
peoples, and/or languages, of which the Inuit people are but
one. All Eskimo people in Canada (and those in Greenland too)
are Inuit and speak a language which can be refered to as Inuit.
In Alaska those same people call themselves Inupiat and call
their language Inupiaq when speaking their own language, and
they commonly use the word Eskimo to describe either themselves,
their language, or their culture when speaking the English
language. Typically in Canada it has become less than
complimentary to call Inuit people "Eskimos", but for the rest
of the world (which would include the appropriate usage when
posting to international newsgroups) the word "Eskimo" correctly
refers to all Eskimo languages, cultures, or peoples. The word
Inuit refers only to those Eskimo people who are Inuit (or
Inupiat).
In Alaska the Unangam people, who are genetically derived from
the same Proto-Eskimo people that the Inuit of Canada are from,
are commonly called by the name the Russians gave them, Aleut.
They do not care to be called Eskimos because they wish to be
distinguished from their cousins to to the north, the Yup'ik
Eskimos and the Inupiat (Inuit) Eskimos. They speak an Eskimo
language and they share the name "Aleut" with the Alutiiq speaking
people, because the Russians grouped them together even though
Alutiiq is more Yup'ik than Unangam.
Yup'ik Eskimo people, like the Inupiat Eskimo people, commonly
use the word Eskimo to describe themselves and their language or
their culture when they speak in English.
Personally I've never met an Eskimo who was not very proud to
call themselves "Eskimo", and that includes people from Canada.
I do know Yup'ik Eskimo people who have told me about someone
telling them they should not call themselves "Eskimo" because
they are "Inuit". They thought it was a rather peculiar idea.
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson fl...@polarnet.com
Salcha, Alaska or: fl...@tanana.polarnet.com
broom
John Lauzon wrote:
>
> BarBie tHe DumB aSS (Bar...@clueless.edu) wrote:
> : On Fri, 16 May 1997 07:02:00 GMT, bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
> : wrote:
>
> : >The story of Medjugorje has been on the news all over the world, in fact
> : >they've made a documentary about it and millions upon millions of people
> : >like me believe in it....now what are you going to do about us all
> : >Dodds...put us all in your... 'KILL FILE'??? ...:)
> : >
> : >God bless
> : >John...:)
>
> : John,
>
> : The story of Medjugorje is not the only story that has been and the
> : news around the world and it's certainly not the only nonsense people
> : believe in (after all, millions of Germans believed in Hitler, didn't
> : they, millions believed in Stalin or Marx, didn't they?)
>
> And why has communism in Europe fallen Barb? Gorbacheve said that the Pope
> was 95% responsible for it's demise...:)
>
> : Doctrines are like drugs, they may help you at one point but you don't
> : spend your whole life depending on them, unless you're really sick.
>
> Yeh..like communism...:)
>
> : Just in case, read the following text that was posted on this group
> : long time ago about Medjugorje.
>
> : "There are thousands of Serbs, slaughtered by their Croat (Ustasha)
> : neighbors, and burried under the ground and in the caves of
> : Medjugorje,
>
> Well give us some facts...proof...and the author and date of the article.
>
> : and this pathetic, psychodelic nonsense with "Gospa" is
> : not what they need.
>
> Really..she askes them to make peace among themselves...what do you think
> they need?
>
> : It was never even explained to those thousands of
> : gullible people, who come to pray there, what had actually happened in
> : that area 50 years ago."
>
> Our Lady "Queen of Peace" is a pretty good indication that something
> terrible happened, whether it was in that area or not, and she didn't
> want it to happen again.
>
> : " The fact is that thousands of tourists were (are) eating burgers,
> : sipping Coke and buying small plastic Virgin Mary(s), and all that on
> : top of someone's parents unmarked graves, slaughterhouse if you will.
>
> If there are 'unmarked' graves and YOU know about them, I'm sure if you
> told the authorities they would do something about it but you would have
> to go over there and point them out which I'm sure you would be happy to
> do...:)
>
> : This is NOT religion, and it is far from any faith. It's a bogus
> : Vatican nonsense, the savage feast of humiliation and disrespect for
> : the victims of one of the most brutal crimes in modern history."
>
> The Vatican has nothing to do with Medjugorje except that those who wish
> to go there to pray are given proper guidance and assistance by the
> priests, if praying is showing disrespect for the dead than what would
> you suggest they do??
>
> : I don't think you'd be thrilled to see thousnads of tourists partying
> : over your father's unmarked gravesite, especially about something so
> : ridiculous.
>
> They are not 'tourists' Barb, they're 'pilgrims' and when you show them
> where the 'unmarked gravesites' are that you claim they're 'partying over'
> I'm sure they will remedy the situation....:)
>
> God bless
> John...:)
>
> \ [P] / o<<<<<>>>>> "PRAY THE HOLY ROSARY" <<<<<>>>>>o \ [P] /
> -- [[[R]]] -- I extend to you who is reading this .sig the -- [[[R]]] --
> / [A] \ "SPECIAL BLESSING" of the "QUEEN OF PEACE" / [A] \
> / [Y] \ o<<<<<>>>>>"Our Lady of Medjugorje"<<<<<>>>>>o / [Y] \
For God's sake show some respect and some compassion for the people
found in those unmarked graves. Show some pity towards the families who
have suffered so much pain and continue to suffer because of silly
stories that can only agravate the situation. And stop sending me E
mail with blessings as I already am blessed by one and the only God, the
creator who doesn't need any ministers to manifest his work. Indeed
that would be a poor God that needs the help of magicians pulling live
rabits out of their hats. For Christs sake stop the nonsense, stop
crucifying the truth. "I am sure they will remedy the situation." Don't
you have anything of more comfort to say. You add insult to injury. Is
this the way of the Lord? I will suggest you apologize to every grieving
family, every grieving mother, every grieving child for what you are
trying to do. Should you be not aware of the sin you are committing,
then you are a fool and should declare yourself as such. Remember I,
or anybody for that matter, can go around preaching the word of the
Lord and would do a better job at it than you do. But that wouldn't be
the way of the Lord, that would be outright cheating. The Lord looks
after everyone in an equal manner. Nobody, in his right sense should ask
or accept assistance in this relationship. A third person in any
marriage of two, creates havoc.
Regards
Mr. Broom
--
MZ
karl mamer
Michael Sells
In article <EAIpzB.7A...@torfree.net>, bk...@torfree.net (John
Lauzon) wrote:
> Y Rapido (rap...@eskimo.com) wrote:
>
> : Bosnian nation got the message of Medjugoje really well:
>
> : more than 200 000 dead, twice that many wounded/maimed,
> : half of the nation expelled and the entire nation traumatized,
> : their native Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina (home of the
> : the pilgrimage site, to boot) totally destroyed and rendered.
>
> : Keep those messages coming ... we are eager recipients of
> : those peace loving graces bestowed on our nation !
>
> Too bad you didn't listen to her for the "10 years-to-the-day" prior to the
> war, you might have stopped the events you mention! You didn't listen,
> you suffered the consequences, and the whole world is going to also suffer
> because they won't listen...:(
>
> God bless
> John
O, And God bless you to, John, your loving kindness overflowing with
blood-curdling threats to those who don't recognize the gentle Virgin!
Do you mean in your big threat that the Virgin is going to send the
HVO-Croatian extremist murderers who control her town of Medjugorje to
take their campaign of rape, murder, and pillage to New Jersey and start
doing to little old ladies in New Jersey what they did to non-Catholics
throughout the Medjugorje region?
Will the Virgin send Dr. Vlade Palameto and other HDZ/HVO fanatics to New
Jersey to set up concentration camps along the lines of the concentration
camps they ringed Medjugorje with in 1993?
Will the Virgin send our dynamite squads with Dr. Palameto to dynamite
non-Catholic churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, and shrines, like Dr.
Palamento and his HVO squads did to non-Catholic churches and mosques in
the Medjugorje area: boom, boom, boom.
God bless you, loving John, God bless your campassionate soul.
Mike
Demandred
On Wed, 21 May 1997 20:35:47 -0400, broom <cll...@ibm.net> wrote:
>ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
[snip]
>Dear Chaos,
> I don't really know what or who you represent, but boy you definetely
>have guts to speak so much garbage.
Huh? What post have you been reading?
>If you want to preach about God,
>get first your house in order.
He didn't preach about God (IIRC).
>There is a great saying in Zen: "He who
>knows keeps quiet, he who doesn't know speaks aloud." Now I know it is
>rather hard for someone with an ego of your size to keep quiet, so keep
>on shouting and make yourself ridiculous to your heart's content.
>Nobody listens to you anyway.
I beg to differ. Obviously, you listen to him (if only barely,
judging by the content of this message).
>Everybody is so busy making a decent
>living by hard works. Your type should do the same.
Hmm... do I detect rightist prejudice?
>Get a job at a
>circus where you belong, and pretend you are the second coming. then the
>good Lord may really take pity on you and begin whispering words of
>wisdom.
Oooh, look! Christian-type acceptance of others! Gotta love it!
Yep, the Bible sure is a great book. "Do unto others..." "Love thy
neighbor..." Sounds good to me. What about you, Broom?
( D. Doherty)
On Tue, 20 May 1997 10:37:40 -0500, mse...@haverford.edu (Michael
Sells) wrote:
~>In article <EAGrr3.Jr...@torfree.net>, bk...@torfree.net (John
~>Lauzon) wrote:
~>
~>> beergut (bee...@icenter.net) wrote:
~>> : Chris Hanzek wrote:
~>> :
~>> : .> > That part of the world is responsible for starting more
wars in
~>> : .> > history then any other part of the world.
~>>
~>> : .> What part of the world would that be? Europe? The Balkans?
Former
~>> : .> Yugoslavia? I would disagree on every point.
~>>
~>> : You are entitled to disagree. I will stand by my statement that
from "
~>> : that" part of the world, starting with the former Yugoslavia to
greece
~>> : and turkey, more wars have started then any other section of the
world
~>> : that I know of. If I am wrong please feel free and correct me
with some
~>> : facts. Before the World war, Yugoslavia did not exist. Was it
not
~>> : Russia's idea to consolidate those countries into 1 and enforce
~>> : Communism?
~>>
~>> : regards beergut
~>>
~>> You must be right beergut, why else would God send the 'Queen of
Peace'
~>> to the former Yugoslavia if it wasn't the center of world
conflicts?...:)
~>>
~>> God bless
~>> John...:)
~>
~>Uh, John! Are you there? The Queen of Peace came to Medjugorje in
1981,
~>when the area was at peace. After 13 years of her messages,
Medjugorje
~>was the center of the Mostar-mafia criminals and the HVO
~>criminals-against-humanity. Expeditions were sent out from
Medjugorje to
~>exterminate non-Catholics and dynamite mosques and Orthodox
churches.
~>Some of them were led by Dr. Vlade Palameto, an HVO extremist from
Stolac
~>whose headquarters are in Medjugorje. Dario Kordic, the most
notorious
~>mass-killer and indicted war-criminal in Croatia comes to Medjugorje
to
~>meet with his friend and sponsor Croatian President Franjo Tudjman.
~>
~>Now John, tell us:
~>
~>Does the Queen of Peace preach ethnic cleansing, concentration
camps,
~>extermination, and annihilation of mosques and Orthodox churches?
~>
~>Or are the present rulers of Medjugorje and those who profit from
the
~>millions of pilgrims, and profit handsomely, carrying out a policy
that
~>is a direct repudiation of everything the Queen of Peace asks?
~>
~>Please do respond,
~>
~>Mike
so many post so little time.......heard any good jokes lately?
( D. Doherty)
On 22 May 1997 18:32:52 GMT, ma...@cc.umanitoba.ca (Cam Mayor) wrote:
~>In article <5157cd$162239.278@PolarNet>,
~>Floyd Davidson <fl...@polarnet.com> wrote:
~>>
~>>Inuit (the plural of Inuk, meaning a person who is real as opposed
~>>to a person who is not human) are one type of Eskimo people, who
~>>speak one of the Eskimo languages, and are the only Eskimo people
~>>who live in Canada and Greenland. All Inuit are Eskimos, but not
~>>all Eskimos are Inuit...
~>[cut and paste]
~>> They will look away from you, and laugh. (Commonly
~>>that is assumed, by non-Eskimos, to mean they agree with you, but
~>>what it really means is your ignorance is too embarrassing to even
~>>acknowledge, because doing so is an insult. They will NOT insult
~>>you by suggesting that you are wrong, like I will...)
~>
~>Well, if this is true, I tip my hat and thank you for bettering me.
~>Like I've always claimed, before knowledge you must have ignorance.
~>I must admit that my experience of the Northern people has only been
~>in Canada, and hence has limited me. Of course, I don't believe you
~>at face value (as with all things from the `net), but I'll now keep
~>my eye open for this. I still have it ingrained in me to not use
~>the word Eskimo, though.
~>
~>>Since Canadians in general are only aware of scriptures, and
~>
~>I'm not sure what is meant by this line.
~>
~>cheers,
~>
~>cam
Geez it's still cloudy here but the rain has stopped. I can hardly
wait for summer. I may go to bed early tonite as there is nothing on
tv to watch.
ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
John Lauzon (bk...@torfree.net) wrote:
: BarBie tHe DumB aSS (Bar...@clueless.edu) wrote:
: : On Fri, 16 May 1997 07:02:00 GMT, bk...@torfree.net (John Lauzon)
: : wrote:
: : The story of Medjugorje is not the only story that has been and the
: : news around the world and it's certainly not the only nonsense people
: : believe in (after all, millions of Germans believed in Hitler, didn't
: : they, millions believed in Stalin or Marx, didn't they?)
: And why has communism in Europe fallen Barb? Gorbacheve said that the Pope
: was 95% responsible for it's demise...:)
Funny, I always figured it was based on an irrational fear of something
the western world didn't like... (What? Equality for everyone? But
then, people won't bother working to better themselves...)
If human nature was not so rooted in self-gain, communism would have
worked. (Just MHO on that.)
: : Doctrines are like drugs, they may help you at one point but you don't
: : spend your whole life depending on them, unless you're really sick.
: Yeh..like communism...:)
Or religion, or the theory of profit...
(Snip)
: : and this pathetic, psychodelic nonsense with "Gospa" is
: : not what they need.
: Really..she askes them to make peace among themselves...what do you think
: they need?
Does she offer any real guidance to making peace among themselves, or just
more of "find God and peace will come"?
: : It was never even explained to those thousands of
: : gullible people, who come to pray there, what had actually happened in
: : that area 50 years ago."
: Our Lady "Queen of Peace" is a pretty good indication that something
: terrible happened, whether it was in that area or not, and she didn't
: want it to happen again.
Either that, or a bunch of people, sickened by what happened, created a
story to prevent it from happening and, in their ignorance, wound up
insulting the victims instead...
(Snip)
: : This is NOT religion, and it is far from any faith. It's a bogus
: : Vatican nonsense, the savage feast of humiliation and disrespect for
: : the victims of one of the most brutal crimes in modern history."
: The Vatican has nothing to do with Medjugorje except that those who wish
: to go there to pray are given proper guidance and assistance by the
: priests, if praying is showing disrespect for the dead than what would
: you suggest they do??
Pray somewhere else...
: : I don't think you'd be thrilled to see thousnads of tourists partying
: : over your father's unmarked gravesite, especially about something so
: : ridiculous.
: They are not 'tourists' Barb, they're 'pilgrims' and when you show them
: where the 'unmarked gravesites' are that you claim they're 'partying over'
: I'm sure they will remedy the situation....:)
What, there are no tourists amongst the pilgrims? Tourists, as a group,
are an interesting sort - some will call themselves anything for a shot at
a valuable souvenir...
: God bless
: John...:)
--
Miroslav D Trajkovic
Milosevic: Imacemo najvecu stopu privrednog rasta u
Evropi
Predsednik Srbije Slobodan Milosevic izjavio je danas u
Arandjelovcu da ce SRJ i Srbija ove godine imati najvecu stopu
privrednog rasta u Evropi. ,,Nasa zemlja ce ove godine imati
dvostruko vecu stopu privrednog rasta od najvisih stopa rasta u
Evropi'', rekao je Milosevic. Njegov danasnji govor u Arandjelovcu
je prvo obracanje gradjanima na javnom skupu nakon 24.
decembra 1996. godine kada je govorio na mitingu ,,Za Srbiju'' u
centru Beograda. ,,Sada kada smo oslobodjeni spoljnih pritisaka,
zelimo da stignemo ono sto nam je bilo onemogucemo poslednjih
godina'', rekao je Milosevic u Arandjelovcu. ,,Cak i ove godine, u
prvih cetiri meseca, imamo blizu osam odsto stopu rasta, uprkos
pokusaja destabilizacije nase zemlje'' pocetkom ove godine, rekao
je Milosevic. Ti pokusaji, prema Milosevicu, ,,nisu bili novi niti prvi
ni poslednji''. ,,Mi smo svedoci da je vise godina, upravo zato sto je
nasa zemlja vodila jednu perspektivnu politiku i nastojala da sacuva
mir, ali istovremeno i da odbrani vitalne nacionalne interese srpskog
naroda, bila izlozena ogromnim, do sada u istoriji nevidjenim
pritiscima'', rekao je Milosevic.
Predsednik Srbije je istakao da su ,,spoljni faktori, uz pomoc
odredjenih unutrasnjih faktora, nastojali da sruse rezim u Srbiji iz
prostog razloga zato sto je narodni'', ali da ,,ni u jednom pokusaju
do sada nisu uspeli, niti ce uspeti iz istog razloga sto je ovaj rezim
narodni rezim i ne moze se menjati spolja, vec se moze menjati
iskljucivo voljom gradjana ove zemlje''. ,,Posle svih prepreka koje
smo prosli, posle teskih dana, pritisaka, sankcija, ratnog okruzenja i
ogromnih obaveza prema delovima naseg naroda van Srbije, mi smo
danas u situaciji da ostvarimo jedan izuzetno brz i uspesan razvoj'',
rekao je Milosevic. Predsednik Srbije je istakao da ,,imamo razloga
da, kao zemlja koja ima ogromne potencijale, verujemo u svoju
buducnost i da u buducnost svoje domovine treba da veruju svi
gradjani''.
Loran Pezdirc
Kad ce Sloba Radojebac konacno smisliti nesto originalno? Prvo poceo
prepisivati "Mein Kampf", sad se prihvatio preskrabavanja zakljucaka
CK iz 1950 i neke...
( D. Doherty)
On Thu, 22 May 1997 23:21:52 -0400, Galina <sp...@erols.com> wrote:
~>broom wrote:
~>>
~>> Michael Sells wrote:
~>> >
~>> You don't really expect John to respond, do you? he must consult
first
~>> with the Queen of peace in Medjugorje. And from what I heard she
can't
~>> use the internet nor the telephone. so wait a while until John
gets
~>> back.
~>> --
~>> MZ
~>
~>
~>Well, don;t expect me to help. She only speaks Croatian and Hebrew.
Maybe I'll go to a resturant for breakfast, you know get some exercise
.
Galina
( D. Doherty) wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 May 1997 23:10:39 -0400, Henry Lucas <lik...@usa.net>
> wrote:
>
> ~>Well, if you say so.
> Well it's morning time....good morning...I am still undecided on what
> to have for b-fast. Any suggestions?
Well, the Scottish people have oatmeal and oatmeal is good especially if
you are on a low cholesterol and high quality fiber diet. Why not give
it a try. I like it myself doctored with all the stuff bad for you like
milk, butter, brown sugar or maple syrup, nutmeg, cinnamon and vanilla.
Great with a cup of cocoa or glass of yoghurt. One thing Scots have for
breakfast that I don;t think I could ever tolerate, however is smoked
fish. I think that one ought to savethe smoked fish, when one can
afford it, that is, for lunch and dinner on special occasions.
Galja
Galina
( D. Doherty) wrote:
Rahter cold in Washington today
Galina
( D. Doherty) wrote:
>
> On 23 May 1997 01:27:57 GMT, ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
>
> ~>John Lauzon (bk...@torfree.net) wrote:
> ~>: BarBie tHe DumB aSS (Bar...@clueless.edu) wrote:
> ~>: : On Fri, 16 May 1997 07:02:00 GMT, bk...@torfree.net (John
> Lauzon)
> ~>: : wrote:
> ~>
> ~>
> ~>: : The story of Medjugorje is not the only story that has been and
> the
> ~>: : news around the world and it's certainly not the only nonsense
> people
> ~>: : believe in (after all, millions of Germans believed in Hitler,
> didn't
> ~>: : they, millions believed in Stalin or Marx, didn't they?)
> ~>
> ~>: And why has communism in Europe fallen Barb? Gorbacheve said that
> the Pope
> ~>: was 95% responsible for it's demise...:)
> ~>
> ~>Funny, I always figured it was based on an irrational fear of
> something
> ~>the western world didn't like... (What? Equality for everyone?
> But
> ~>then, people won't bother working to better themselves...)
> ~>
> ~>If human nature was not so rooted in self-gain, communism would have
> ~>worked. (Just MHO on that.)
> ~>
> ~>: : Doctrines are like drugs, they may help you at one point but you
> don't
> ~>: : spend your whole life depending on them, unless you're really
> sick.
> ~>
> ~>: Yeh..like communism...:)
> ~>
> ~>Or religion, or the theory of profit...
> ~>
> ~>(Snip)
> ~>: : and this pathetic, psychodelic nonsense with "Gospa" is
> ~>: : not what they need.
> ~>
> ~>: Really..she askes them to make peace among themselves...what do
> you think
> ~>: they need?
> ~>
> ~>Does she offer any real guidance to making peace among themselves,
> or just
> ~>more of "find God and peace will come"?
> ~>
> ~>: : It was never even explained to those thousands of
> ~>: : gullible people, who come to pray there, what had actually
> happened in
> ~>: : that area 50 years ago."
> ~>
> ~>: Our Lady "Queen of Peace" is a pretty good indication that
> something
> ~>: terrible happened, whether it was in that area or not, and she
> didn't
> ~>: want it to happen again.
> ~>
> ~>Either that, or a bunch of people, sickened by what happened,
> created a
> ~>story to prevent it from happening and, in their ignorance, wound up
> ~>insulting the victims instead...
> ~>
> ~>(Snip)
> ~>: : This is NOT religion, and it is far from any faith. It's a bogus
> ~>: : Vatican nonsense, the savage feast of humiliation and disrespect
> for
> ~>: : the victims of one of the most brutal crimes in modern history."
> ~>
> ~>: The Vatican has nothing to do with Medjugorje except that those
> who wish
> ~>: to go there to pray are given proper guidance and assistance by
> the
> ~>: priests, if praying is showing disrespect for the dead than what
> would
> ~>: you suggest they do??
> ~>
> ~>Pray somewhere else...
> ~>
> ~>: : I don't think you'd be thrilled to see thousnads of tourists
> partying
> ~>: : over your father's unmarked gravesite, especially about
> something so
> ~>: : ridiculous.
> ~>
> ~>: They are not 'tourists' Barb, they're 'pilgrims' and when you show
> them
> ~>: where the 'unmarked gravesites' are that you claim they're
> 'partying over'
> ~>: I'm sure they will remedy the situation....:)
> ~>
> ~>What, there are no tourists amongst the pilgrims? Tourists, as a
> group,
> ~>are an interesting sort - some will call themselves anything for a
> shot at
> ~>a valuable souvenir...
> ~>
> ~>: God bless
> ~>: John...:)
> ~>
> ~>
> ~>--
> ~>In chaos all things are possible.
> ~>You don't know me. No one knows me.
> ~>
> ~> I can be reached at ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> I think I will have bacon and eggs this morning. what do you think?
Too high cholesterol breeakfast. Bad habit to encourage on a regular
basis for your health. See secific recommendations in answer to another
of your posts below. ;)
Galja
( D. Doherty)
tarzan
> > ~>> > God bless
> > ~>> > John...:)
> > ~>>
Aouu aouuuuuuuaaooouuuuuhouhouoh Me Tarzan, always sunny in Jungle,
chitah you comen here, dirty little animal what is that
Chitah; "He he he hi hi hi ho ho ho
Pietko: Tell mi Tarzan, what is she saying?"
Tarzan: "Pietko boy, Chita saying no liking plastic Little Gospa,
chitah liking bananas."
Pietko: "Well, I guess we can pray even to a bannana, at least it's
alive."
--
MZ
BarBie tHe DumB aSS
On Fri, 23 May 1997 11:28:42 -0400, Galina <sp...@erols.com> wrote:
>... One thing Scots have for
>breakfast that I don;t think I could ever tolerate, however is smoked
>fish. I think that one ought to savethe smoked fish, when one can
>afford it, that is, for lunch and dinner on special occasions.
>
>Galja
There are reasons to have smoked fish for breakfast and some
advantages as well. Try staying asleep when someone sticks a smoked
fish under your nose. Rainy and foggy Scottish mornings really need
something like that.
B.
( D. Doherty)
BarBie tHe DumB aSS
On Thu, 22 May 1997 21:56:37 -0400, Galina <sp...@erols.com> wrote:
>What kind of beer, Beergut? I personally prefer Mount Vernon Porter by
>the Potomac River Brewing Company in Chantilly, VIrginia. House about
>you?
If I may add this - there's a joke that goes something like this:
- How do you make a lousy beer from a good one?
- Sell the license to the Americans...
Drink Heineken or any other import, forget about the american "urine".
B.
DISCLAIMER: Poster of this message is in no way related, affiliated or
stoned by the above trade name. Just the matter of personal
preferences.
cal...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
wri...@ime.net wrote:
: Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
: Mother has appeared in many apparitions
: around the world.
: Of these, the ones recognized by the Roman
: Catholic Church have been very consistent:
: Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
: humans must convert their lives and return to
: God or the current course of humanity will lead
: to dire consequences.
No more cable? awe man!
: So far, the messages from the visionaries in
: Medjugorje have been consistent with this
: message.
So that's who was on my meassage machine!
: These Marian messages in the past and at
: Medjugorje do not ask us to join any specific
: political, social or religious group.
That sounds like a cool deal.
: The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
: to God through our own religious tradition.
: That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
: scripture and worship God.
No money? no sacrfices?
NOW this I like!
: It is true that the area of the world around
: Medjugorje has been the scene of seemingly
: endless violence and atrocities. It is also true
: that the entire world has been the scene of
: seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
Death is depressing man.
: It seems that no where on earth is there peace.
How about Ants? they live peace.
of course they work all day though.
: Rather than undermine the message, the
: presence of unrest, both around Medjugorje
: and in the rest of the world, only serves to
: strengthen and reinforce the validity of the
: Marian messages.
Who is this Marian any why?
And does he have cookies?
: The world has by and large turned away from
: God and is truly in a state of chaos. The
: messages tell us that if we as a planet return to
: the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
: continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
: will reap the wind.
DEATH! DESTROY! DESTRUCTION!
: The choice is ours.
Awe man! I hate choices!
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tarzan
Aou ou ou ou aouououououou me tarzan you dummy Barbie, ough this Barbie
doll full of fire.....
Chitah: "He he he he hi hi hi hi hohohohoh.
Tarzan: "What Chitah, Barbie your sister, No sweetheart, you no
prejudice like Barbie, Barbie full of excrement, not know where head is
up or down , ououououououu ououououououou here Chitah catch liana we go
pick Barbie, spank bottom with bannana ouououououououou."
--
MZ
cal...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
L. Dodds (DELETE...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: OK, let's see if you have ANY logic whatsoever in that skull o' yours.
Cool.
: 1) Is sex bad? If so, why?
I have had no problem with sex.
!8)
: 2) Mankind is not going down a destructive path. In MANY cases we have grown
: and prospered and have shown that intelligence exists in some humans. Can you
: think of specific instances that support your claim that "Mankind is going
: down a destructive path"?
The city of LA.
: 3) Please, show me where in the industrialized world, exists a state of chaos.
Again, The city of LA.
: 4) Is God a vengefull person? If so, will he smite those that shall be
: smoten? And who are those that shall be smoten? Is there a cut off date in
: which to dig god? What's the date?
And when will that date expire? does God get moldy with age? Does god go
well with salad?
As for vengefull, I don know about God, but I sure seems mother nature is
venting her wrath on us for pulluting her.
: wri...@ime.net alledgedly wrote:
: ~ Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
: ~ Mother has appeared in many apparitions
: ~ around the world.
: ~
: ~ Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
: ~ humans must convert their lives and return to
: ~ God or the current course of humanity will lead
: ~ to dire consequences.
: ~
: ~ The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
: ~ to God through our own religious tradition.
: ~ That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
: ~ scripture and worship God.
: ~
: ~ It seems that no where on earth is there peace.
: ~
: ~ The world has by and large turned away from
: ~ God and is truly in a state of chaos. The
: ~ messages tell us that if we as a planet return to
: ~ the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
: ~ continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
: ~ will reap the wind.
: __
: Remove DELETE from DELETE...@cc.umanitoba.ca yada yada yada...
Michael Sells
> Dear Mr. Marjanovic,
> Let me remind you, it was the government of Canada elected by the
> people and empowered, if I am not mistaken, to introduce the idea of
> Peacekeepers. Canadian peacekeepers have served more than any other
> nation in the world in all hot spots to keep the peace , prevent killing
> of innocent civilians, and prevent the spreading of the conflict to
> neighboring states, often, very often at their own peril. And, don't
> forget it is ordinary Canadian workers by paying taxes that financed
> such huge operations. It is also Canadian compassion that prompt them
> always to be first in giving a helping hand to anybody in need So, if
> you want to accuse the few misfits in the Armed forces, go ahead, but I
> think you owe an apology to the Canadian people for having taken such a
> rigorous campaign in order to discredit them.
> sincerely
> Mr. Broom
Dear Mr. Broom,
The Canadian government, along with my goverment in the U.S., are
directly complicit in the genocide in Bosnia. Canadian General MacKenzie
was crucial. For two key months, in the summer of 1992, he completly
obscured the genocide and the Serb army was rounding up tens of thousands
of people for extermination. He portrayed the genocide as just a bunch of
inhuman balkan savages killing each other as they had killed each other
for centuries. This dehumanizing and contemptuous ideology allowed
MacKenzie to make people in the West think that Bosnians deserved to die,
that they loved to kill, and that they were as inhuman as MacKenzie,
overflowing with contempt for Bosnians, thought they were.
MacKenzie was spouting the exact ideology of Serbian President Slobodan
Milosevic and Republika Srpska president, now indicted for genocide
committed while MacKenzie was in Sarajevo, Radovan Karadzic.
After retiring, MacKenzie took a job as $18,000 a day as a lobbyings
for the point of view represented by Serbian extremists. When news came
out that he was being paid this money by SERBNET, he was forced to return
it.
I understand you feel superior, Mr. Broom. And you certainly feel
superior to the decent, civilized, and gentle Bosnians who were rounded up
by General MacKenzie good friend, Serb General Ratko Mladic, and
exterminated. And you, like MacKenzie, seem to imply they deserve what
they got.
We don't need the "peace" of General MacKenzie. We don't need the lies
of General MacKenzie. We don't need General MacKenzie covering up
genocide, morally equalizing those inside concentration camps with those
who put them there, and taking $18,000 a day from SERBNET to do it.
When the Karazdic rape-camp at Vogosca was revealed, and it was
revealed that Bosnian Muslim women, there as throughout Serb-held areas of
Bosnia, were being held as sexual slaves, UN soldiers under MacKenzie were
visiting this rape camp, Sonja's Kon Tiki, fraternizing with the Serb
militia members there, and helping themselves to the goodies.
When it was revealed that the women there were being held against there
will as sexual slaves, the UN soldiers under MacKenzie command CONTINUED
TO FREQUENT THE RAPE-CAMP. If you doubt this, I can give you the
references to the situation and to the UN report on it. (The same reports
proof false the rumor that MacKenzie himself frequented the camp; big
generals don't have to go to rape-camps to get their gooding--that is for
lower ranking "Peacekeepers.")
The world is truly nauseated by General MacKenzie as his "Peacekeeping."
Mike
P.S. Do you think MacKenzie will be elected to high office in Canada?
michael a sells
In my reply to Mr. Broom, I wrote in the heat of anger at Canadian General
MacKenie's complicity in the genocide in Bosnia, and his attempt to
portray as just a bunch of savages killing one another what the
International Tribunal has, formally, pronounced as genocide.
In writing I made inferences about Mr. Broom possibly sharing MacKenzie's
attitudes. I cannot make those inferences and wish to take back the
comment on Mr. Broom's attitude toward the victims of genocide in Bosnia.
I also wish to point out, that the horror the world-wide human rights
community feels toward General MacKenzie should not and does not take away
from the more-than-honorable role that Canadian peacekeeprs have taken in
places like Haiti. Indeed, anyone who cares about Canada's tradition of
peacekeeping in the better sense, should be appalled at the way in which
MacKenzie has associated that tradition with well-paid lobbying for
genocidal extremists and the credible and devastating reports of
frequenting by "Mackenzie's peacekeepers" of rape-camps, even as those
"peacekeepers" ignore an infamous concentration camp just a few hundred
yards from the rape-camps they liked to frequent.
In article <msells-2305...@s210.haverford.edu>,
mse...@haverford.edu (Michael Sells) wrote:
> > Dear Mr. Marjanovic,
>
> > Let me remind you, it was the government of Canada elected by the
> > people and empowered, if I am not mistaken, to introduce the idea of
> > Peacekeepers. Canadian peacekeepers have served more than any other
> > nation in the world in all hot spots to keep the peace , prevent killing
> > of innocent civilians, and prevent the spreading of the conflict to
> > neighboring states, often, very often at their own peril. And, don't
> > forget it is ordinary Canadian workers by paying taxes that financed
> > such huge operations. It is also Canadian compassion that prompt them
> > always to be first in giving a helping hand to anybody in need So, if
> > you want to accuse the few misfits in the Armed forces, go ahead, but I
> > think you owe an apology to the Canadian people for having taken such a
> > rigorous campaign in order to discredit them.
> > sincerely
> > Mr. Broom
>
> Dear Mr. Broom,
>
> The Canadian government, along with my goverment in the U.S., are
> directly complicit in the genocide in Bosnia. Canadian General MacKenzie
> was crucial. For two key months, in the summer of 1992, he completly
> obscured the genocide while the Serb army was rounding up tens of thousands
> of people for extermination. He portrayed the genocide as just a bunch of
> inhuman balkan savages killing each other as they had killed each other
> for centuries. This dehumanizing and contemptuous ideology allowed
> MacKenzie to make people in the West think that Bosnians deserved to die,
> that they loved to kill, and that they were as inhuman as he, MacKenzie,
> overflowing with contempt for Bosnians, thought they were.
>
> MacKenzie was offering the exact ideology of Serbian President Slobodan
> Milosevic and Republika Srpska President--now indicted for genocide
> committed while MacKenzie was in Sarajevo--Radovan Karadzic.
>
> After retiring, MacKenzie took a job as $18,000 a day as a loggyist
> for the point of view represented by Serbian extremists. When news came
> out that he was being paid this money by SERBNET, he was forced to return
> it.
>
> We don't need the "peace" of General MacKenzie. We don't need the lies
> of General MacKenzie. We don't need General MacKenzie covering up
> genocide, morally equalizing those inside concentration camps with those
> who put them there, and taking $18,000 a day from SERBNET to do it.
>
> When the Karazdic rape-camp at Vogosca was revealed, and it was
> revealed that Bosnian Muslim women, there as throughout Serb-held areas of
> Bosnia, were being held as sexual slaves, UN soldiers under MacKenzie were
> visiting this rape camp, Sonja's Kon Tiki, fraternizing with the Serb
> militia members there, and helping themselves to the goodies.
>
> When it was revealed that the women there were being held against their
( D. Doherty)
On 23 May 1997 22:15:35 GMT, cal...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
~>wri...@ime.net wrote:
~>: Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
~>: Mother has appeared in many apparitions
~>: around the world.
~>
~>: Of these, the ones recognized by the Roman
~>: Catholic Church have been very consistent:
~>
~>: Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
~>: humans must convert their lives and return to
~>: God or the current course of humanity will lead
~>: to dire consequences.
~>
~>No more cable? awe man!
~>
~>: So far, the messages from the visionaries in
~>: Medjugorje have been consistent with this
~>: message.
~>
~>So that's who was on my meassage machine!
~>
~>: These Marian messages in the past and at
~>: Medjugorje do not ask us to join any specific
~>: political, social or religious group.
~>
~>That sounds like a cool deal.
~>
~>: The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
~>: to God through our own religious tradition.
~>: That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
~>: scripture and worship God.
~>
~>No money? no sacrfices?
~>NOW this I like!
~>
~>: It is true that the area of the world around
~>: Medjugorje has been the scene of seemingly
~>: endless violence and atrocities. It is also true
~>: that the entire world has been the scene of
~>: seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
~>
~>Death is depressing man.
~>
~>: It seems that no where on earth is there peace.
~>
~>How about Ants? they live peace.
~>of course they work all day though.
~>
~>: Rather than undermine the message, the
~>: presence of unrest, both around Medjugorje
~>: and in the rest of the world, only serves to
~>: strengthen and reinforce the validity of the
~>: Marian messages.
~>
~>Who is this Marian any why?
~>And does he have cookies?
~>
~>: The world has by and large turned away from
~>: God and is truly in a state of chaos. The
~>: messages tell us that if we as a planet return to
~>: the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
~>: continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
~>: will reap the wind.
~>
~>DEATH! DESTROY! DESTRUCTION!
~>
~>: The choice is ours.
~>Awe man! I hate choices!
~>
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~>l l o \ o
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
~>l /\ l \ / l l/--\ o O X--- HAHA
DON'T AHAHA
~>l /__\ l \ / l l l o __ o HAHA
LAUGH! HAHAH
~>\____/ / \ L___ \/ l l l o o
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
~> oooooo
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
~>
~>-This Sig was brought to you by the Digital Reaper, you all have to
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~>sometime!
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well today I think that I will make me a steak what do you think?
( D. Doherty)
On Thu, 22 May 1997 16:29:58 -0500, mse...@haverford.edu (Michael
Sells) wrote:
~>In article <EAIpzB.7A...@torfree.net>, bk...@torfree.net (John
~>Lauzon) wrote:
~>
~>> Y Rapido (rap...@eskimo.com) wrote:
~>>
~>> : Bosnian nation got the message of Medjugoje really well:
~>>
~>> : more than 200 000 dead, twice that many wounded/maimed,
~>> : half of the nation expelled and the entire nation traumatized,
~>> : their native Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina (home of the
~>> : the pilgrimage site, to boot) totally destroyed and rendered.
~>>
~>> : Keep those messages coming ... we are eager recipients of
~>> : those peace loving graces bestowed on our nation !
~>>
~>> Too bad you didn't listen to her for the "10 years-to-the-day"
prior to the
~>> war, you might have stopped the events you mention! You didn't
listen,
~>> you suffered the consequences, and the whole world is going to
also suffer
~>> because they won't listen...:(
~>>
~>> God bless
~>> John
~>
~>O, And God bless you to, John, your loving kindness overflowing with
~>blood-curdling threats to those who don't recognize the gentle
Virgin!
~>
~>Do you mean in your big threat that the Virgin is going to send the
~>HVO-Croatian extremist murderers who control her town of Medjugorje
to
~>take their campaign of rape, murder, and pillage to New Jersey and
start
~>doing to little old ladies in New Jersey what they did to
non-Catholics
~>throughout the Medjugorje region?
~>
~>Will the Virgin send Dr. Vlade Palameto and other HDZ/HVO fanatics
to New
~>Jersey to set up concentration camps along the lines of the
concentration
~>camps they ringed Medjugorje with in 1993?
~>
~>Will the Virgin send our dynamite squads with Dr. Palameto to
dynamite
~>non-Catholic churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, and shrines,
like Dr.
~>Palamento and his HVO squads did to non-Catholic churches and
mosques in
~>the Medjugorje area: boom, boom, boom.
~>
~>God bless you, loving John, God bless your campassionate soul.
~>
~>Mike
Well to day is Saturday, and it's sunny here...does anyone care?
Broom
If you pay careful attention to what I wrote in my post in regards to
the above you will notice: I menionned the few guilty misfits in the
Canadian Armed forces, serving a peacekeepers in your country, who
should be indicted and dealt with according to their crime. I did not
mention any name or rank. Therefore, I did not express any prefferences
for anyone, nor suggested that anyone should be exonarated because of
rank including General Mckenzie. My feeling are in favour of the
inocent victims of whatever nationality or religion, and I express my
deep sorrow and condolences equally to the Bosnian Muslims, Serbs and
Croats who have lost their dear ones because of dirty politics being
played by people in charge of our affaris. I do not condone murder of
any kind. So, please if there was any misunderstanding on your part,
either because of my obscure way of expression, or your justified anger,
accept my sincere apologies. Bu I repeat, I am on the side of the
innocents.
My warmest regards
Broom
--
MZ
Broom
cal...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
> L. Dodds (DELETE...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
> : OK, let's see if you have ANY logic whatsoever in that skull o' yours.
>
> Cool.
>
> : 1) Is sex bad? If so, why?
>
> I have had no problem with sex.
> !8)
>
> : 2) Mankind is not going down a destructive path. In MANY cases we have grown
> : and prospered and have shown that intelligence exists in some humans. Can you
> : down a destructive path"?
>
> The city of LA.
>
> : 3) Please, show me where in the industrialized world, exists a state of chaos.
>
> Again, The city of LA.
>
> : 4) Is God a vengefull person? If so, will he smite those that shall be
> : smoten? And who are those that shall be smoten? Is there a cut off date in
> : which to dig god? What's the date?
>
> And when will that date expire? does God get moldy with age? Does god go
> well with salad?
> As for vengefull, I don know about God, but I sure seems mother nature is
> venting her wrath on us for pulluting her.
>
> : ~ Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
> : ~ Mother has appeared in many apparitions
> : ~ around the world.
> : ~
> : ~ humans must convert their lives and return to
> : ~ God or the current course of humanity will lead
> : ~ to dire consequences.
> : ~
> : ~ to God through our own religious tradition.
> : ~ That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
> : ~ scripture and worship God.
> : ~
> : ~
> : ~ The world has by and large turned away from
> : ~ God and is truly in a state of chaos. The
> : ~ messages tell us that if we as a planet return to
> : ~ the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
> : ~ continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
> : ~ will reap the wind.
>
>
> : Remove DELETE from DELETE...@cc.umanitoba.ca yada yada yada...
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> /----\ 0 oooxoo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> -This Sig was brought to you by the Digital Reaper, you all have to laugh
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anybody who has an agenda of some kind will try to mould their
propaganda tools according to the rules that enable one to fullfil that
agenda. Read ancient history, go back to, let us say four thousands
years B.C. and check the writing of the decihpered clay tablets in
regard to humanity and the world. You will find that the concern of
people of that time was equal to our concerns and also equal to the
concern of any other civilisation before an after that. " Mankind has
always gone ," you will find, "down the destructive path." That is what
makes us human. But if one discards all these false religions and
imaginary theories about God and his so called wrath, one will discover
that the destructive path is in the mind of the few who have the old
time agenda, and the urge to dominate by the explotation of human
weakness and vanity. It is an outdated method, but unfortunately, it
still works even today.
Regards
Broom
--
MZ
Galina
> ~>: Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
> ~>: Mother has appeared in many apparitions
> ~>: around the world.
> ~>
> ~>: Catholic Church have been very consistent:
> ~>: Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
> ~>: humans must convert their lives and return to
> ~>: God or the current course of humanity will lead
> ~>: to dire consequences.
> ~>
> ~>
> ~>: So far, the messages from the visionaries in
> ~>: Medjugorje have been consistent with this
> ~>: message.
> ~>
> ~>So that's who was on my meassage machine!
> ~>
> ~>: These Marian messages in the past and at
> ~>: Medjugorje do not ask us to join any specific
> ~>: political, social or religious group.
> ~>
> ~>That sounds like a cool deal.
> ~>: The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
> ~>: to God through our own religious tradition.
> ~>: That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
> ~>: scripture and worship God.
> ~>
> ~>NOW this I like!
> ~>
> ~>: It is true that the area of the world around
> ~>: Medjugorje has been the scene of seemingly
> ~>: endless violence and atrocities. It is also true
> ~>: that the entire world has been the scene of
> ~>: seemingly endless violence and atrocities.
> ~>
> ~>Death is depressing man.
> ~>: It seems that no where on earth is there peace.
> ~>
> ~>of course they work all day though.
> ~>
> ~>: Rather than undermine the message, the
> ~>: presence of unrest, both around Medjugorje
> ~>: and in the rest of the world, only serves to
> ~>: strengthen and reinforce the validity of the
> ~>: Marian messages.
> ~>
> ~>Who is this Marian any why?
> ~>And does he have cookies?
> ~>: The world has by and large turned away from
> ~>: God and is truly in a state of chaos. The
> ~>: messages tell us that if we as a planet return to
> ~>: the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
> ~>: continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
> ~>: will reap the wind.
> ~>DEATH! DESTROY! DESTRUCTION!
> ~>
> ~>: The choice is ours.
> ~>Awe man! I hate choices!
> ~>
> ~>: -------------------==== Posted via Deja News
> ====-----------------------
> ~>: http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
> ~>
> ~>--
> ~>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
> ~>l /\ l \ / l l/--\ o O X--- HAHA
> DON'T AHAHA
> ~>l /__\ l \ / l l l o __ o HAHA
> LAUGH! HAHAH
> ~>\____/ / \ L___ \/ l l l o o
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
> ~> oooooo
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> ~>
> ~>-This Sig was brought to you by the Digital Reaper, you all have to
> laugh
> ~>sometime!
> ~>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> well today I think that I will make me a steak what do you think?
Well, I think making a steak sounds good. It is not a fast day and you
should enjoy yourself. Are you going to grill it outdoors?
Y Rapido
Chris Hanzek wrote:
>
> Rap. I agree with your first paragraph. The average person thinks
> that
> World War I started in the Balkans but they do not know what roles
> the
> Great Powers (Russia, France, Germany and Austria-Hungary) played to
>
> instigate the conflict. Why you think the United States was very
> involved at this stage I'm not sure. They were playing the
> isolationist
> game.
rap: Greetings. In WW I the Balkans was a "side show". It was a
war against rising German and Austro-Hungarian economic and
cultural prosperity in Europe and in the World. The war was started
by the British Empire. USA was brought to the WW I when it
was clear in 1916 that Anglo-French coalition CANNOT win
the war against German-Austro-Hungarian coalition. Freemasonic
influences were exercised with Woodrow Wilson, and USA
came into Europe to defeat Germany in a most humiliating and
unprincipled manner! That was the first GIANT mistake of
US foreign policy of the 20th Century. Woodrow Wilson shall
go down in history as an evil scum, when the true history of
the 20th Century gets to be revealed (REVISED!). USA should
have remained in isolation during the WW I and let British reap
the fruits of their warmongering. Miserable ending of WW I
caused WW II.
>
> Your second paragraph sounds very paranoid. Why do you think this?
> Why
> does the UN and NATO fear tolerant muslims in Europe?
>
> Chris
rap: Because muslims are not permitted to live in a CIVIC, modern
society. They have to be ruled by dictators, tyrants ... they have
to be ruled by such extremely harsh oligarchic methods. Genocide of
Bosnian muslims is not genocide of "islamic fundamentalists" --
everyone knows that Bosnians do not come even close to fit
that propaganda profile imposed on them -- it is genocide of a
modern, prosperous, educated, White Caucasian European
nation. As such, Bosnian muslims represent UNDESIRABLE image
and profile of a muslim. What the "West" wishes is Taliban militia
-- a tribal freak show financed and masterminded by themselves
(freaks as some of them are), Pakistani Intelligence Service
-- all directly under command of strategic/intelligence powerhouses
in the West.
Muslims are not supposed to be left alive if they have white
skin, blue eyes, blond hair, european origin, high education degrees,
and so on and so forth -- muslims are supposed to be ruled
by tyrants, who receive their orders from London, New York,
Washington, Tel Aviv ...
Understood ?!
After all, that is what Carl Bilt finally said several days ago --
he said that acceptable profile of Bosnian muslims is more
dangerous than the "islamic fundamentalist" profile found
in Africa and Asia. He spoke the truth. Finally !
Galina
( D. Doherty) wrote:
>
> On 23 May 1997 22:21:00 GMT, cal...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
>
> ~>L. Dodds (DELETE...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
> ~>: OK, let's see if you have ANY logic whatsoever in that skull o'
> yours.
> ~>
> ~>Cool.
> ~>
> ~>: 1) Is sex bad? If so, why?
> ~>
> ~>I have had no problem with sex.
> ~>!8)
> ~>
> ~>: 2) Mankind is not going down a destructive path. In MANY cases we
> have grown
> ~>: and prospered and have shown that intelligence exists in some
> humans. Can you
> ~>: think of specific instances that support your claim that "Mankind
> is going
> ~>: down a destructive path"?
> ~>
> ~>The city of LA.
> ~>
> ~>: 3) Please, show me where in the industrialized world, exists a
> state of chaos.
> ~>
> ~>Again, The city of LA.
> ~>
> ~>: 4) Is God a vengefull person? If so, will he smite those that
> shall be
> ~>: smoten? And who are those that shall be smoten? Is there a cut
> off date in
> ~>: which to dig god? What's the date?
> ~>
> ~>And when will that date expire? does God get moldy with age? Does
> god go
> ~>well with salad?
> ~>As for vengefull, I don know about God, but I sure seems mother
> nature is
> ~>venting her wrath on us for pulluting her.
> ~>
> ~>: wri...@ime.net alledgedly wrote:
> ~>: ~ Over the past 150 years or so the Blessed
> ~>: ~ Mother has appeared in many apparitions
> ~>: ~ around the world.
> ~>: ~
> ~>: ~ Mankind is going down a destructive path, all
> ~>: ~ God or the current course of humanity will lead
> ~>: ~ to dire consequences.
> ~>: ~
> ~>: ~ The only thing asked is that we all draw closer
> ~>: ~ That we pray, fast, repent of our sins, read
> ~>: ~ scripture and worship God.
> ~>: ~
> ~>: ~ It seems that no where on earth is there peace.
> ~>: ~
> ~>: ~ messages tell us that if we as a planet return to
> ~>: ~ the ways of God, then things will improve. If we
> ~>: ~ continue to reject God's ways and help, then we
> ~>: ~ will reap the wind.
> ~>
> ~>: __
> ~>
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Oh, I see you antiicpated my answer to your previous post. Yes, by all
means. If you cube that steak and mairnate it in olive oil, wine
vinegar ( 4 to 1 ratio), oregano, parsley, crushed garlic black pepper
and then alternate the meat with smallish onions, cubes of pimento
pepper, green pepper, cubes of summer squash and zuchini, you can
marinate the whole for shishkabob and stretch the meat further so that
you can almost make a party of that steak.
( D. Doherty)
On Sat, 24 May 1997 16:54:42 GMT, Y Rapido <rap...@eskimo.com> wrote:
~>Chris Hanzek wrote:
~>
~>>
~>> Rap. I agree with your first paragraph. The average person
thinks
~>> that
~>> World War I started in the Balkans but they do not know what roles
~>> the
~>> Great Powers (Russia, France, Germany and Austria-Hungary) played
to
~>>
~>> instigate the conflict. Why you think the United States was very
~>> involved at this stage I'm not sure. They were playing the
~>> isolationist
~>> game.
~>
~>rap: Greetings. In WW I the Balkans was a "side show". It was a
~>war against rising German and Austro-Hungarian economic and
~>cultural prosperity in Europe and in the World. The war was started
~>by the British Empire. USA was brought to the WW I when it
~>was clear in 1916 that Anglo-French coalition CANNOT win
~>the war against German-Austro-Hungarian coalition. Freemasonic
~>influences were exercised with Woodrow Wilson, and USA
~>came into Europe to defeat Germany in a most humiliating and
~>unprincipled manner! That was the first GIANT mistake of
~>US foreign policy of the 20th Century. Woodrow Wilson shall
~>go down in history as an evil scum, when the true history of
~>the 20th Century gets to be revealed (REVISED!). USA should
~>have remained in isolation during the WW I and let British reap
~>the fruits of their warmongering. Miserable ending of WW I
~>caused WW II.
~>
~>>
~>> Your second paragraph sounds very paranoid. Why do you think
this?
~>> Why
~>> does the UN and NATO fear tolerant muslims in Europe?
~>>
~>> Chris
~>
~>
~>rap: Because muslims are not permitted to live in a CIVIC, modern
~>society. They have to be ruled by dictators, tyrants ... they have
~>to be ruled by such extremely harsh oligarchic methods. Genocide of
~>Bosnian muslims is not genocide of "islamic fundamentalists" --
~>everyone knows that Bosnians do not come even close to fit
~>that propaganda profile imposed on them -- it is genocide of a
~>modern, prosperous, educated, White Caucasian European
~>nation. As such, Bosnian muslims represent UNDESIRABLE image
~>and profile of a muslim. What the "West" wishes is Taliban militia
~>-- a tribal freak show financed and masterminded by themselves
~>(freaks as some of them are), Pakistani Intelligence Service
~>-- all directly under command of strategic/intelligence powerhouses
~>in the West.
~>
~>Muslims are not supposed to be left alive if they have white
~>skin, blue eyes, blond hair, european origin, high education
degrees,
~>and so on and so forth -- muslims are supposed to be ruled
~>by tyrants, who receive their orders from London, New York,
~>Washington, Tel Aviv ...
~>
~>Understood ?!
~>
~>After all, that is what Carl Bilt finally said several days ago --
~>he said that acceptable profile of Bosnian muslims is more
~>dangerous than the "islamic fundamentalist" profile found
~>in Africa and Asia. He spoke the truth. Finally !
~>
Wow, what a great day it has been here...summer is finally come and
the birds are singing :)
ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Y Rapido (rap...@eskimo.com) wrote:
: Chris Hanzek wrote:
(Snip)
: rap: Greetings. In WW I the Balkans was a "side show". It was a
: war against rising German and Austro-Hungarian economic and
: cultural prosperity in Europe and in the World. The war was started
: by the British Empire.
History implies that Germany was responsible for the start of that war.
Can you show actual proof of your "theory"?
: USA was brought to the WW I when it
: was clear in 1916 that Anglo-French coalition CANNOT win
: the war against German-Austro-Hungarian coalition. Freemasonic
: influences were exercised with Woodrow Wilson, and USA
: came into Europe to defeat Germany in a most humiliating and
: unprincipled manner!
2 points strike me as odd here; first, "freemasonic influences" sounds
like conspiracy-theorizing. I'm a little behind on my conspiracies, so
can you enlighten me as to that one?
Second, _any_ military defeat is seen as humiliating and unprincipled by
the losers. From the point of view of the "Anglo-French coalition," this
would have been seen as a "triumph of honor and justice."
That was the first GIANT mistake of
: US foreign policy of the 20th Century. Woodrow Wilson shall
: go down in history as an evil scum, when the true history of
: the 20th Century gets to be revealed (REVISED!). USA should
: have remained in isolation during the WW I and let British reap
: the fruits of their warmongering.
Revision would be the correct word here. Wilson is no more evil than any
political leader who involves himself in a war. Whatever his reasons.
: Miserable ending of WW I
: caused WW II.
Indirectly; it set the stage for Hitler's rise to power, which in turn
was responsible for WWII. (Unless, of course, your "revised history" can
prove otherwise.)
: > Your second paragraph sounds very paranoid. Why do you think this?
: > Why
: > does the UN and NATO fear tolerant muslims in Europe?
: > Chris
: rap: Because muslims are not permitted to live in a CIVIC, modern
: society. They have to be ruled by dictators, tyrants ... they have
: to be ruled by such extremely harsh oligarchic methods. Genocide of
: Bosnian muslims is not genocide of "islamic fundamentalists" --
: everyone knows that Bosnians do not come even close to fit
: that propaganda profile imposed on them -- it is genocide of a
: modern, prosperous, educated, White Caucasian European
: nation. As such, Bosnian muslims represent UNDESIRABLE image
: and profile of a muslim. What the "West" wishes is Taliban militia
: -- a tribal freak show financed and masterminded by themselves
: (freaks as some of them are), Pakistani Intelligence Service
: -- all directly under command of strategic/intelligence powerhouses
: in the West.
I still have to agree with Chris on this; sounds like paranoia
propoganda. So, since we seem to be heading in that direction, who killed
Kennedy? (I'm guessing that if you were to answer this, you'd say the CIA
acting under freemasonic influences...)
: Muslims are not supposed to be left alive if they have white
: skin, blue eyes, blond hair, european origin, high education degrees,
: and so on and so forth -- muslims are supposed to be ruled
: by tyrants, who receive their orders from London, New York,
: Washington, Tel Aviv ...
Sure. Whatever. (And I used to think I was paranoid about government
conspiracies...)
: Understood ?!
: After all, that is what Carl Bilt finally said several days ago --
: he said that acceptable profile of Bosnian muslims is more
: dangerous than the "islamic fundamentalist" profile found
: in Africa and Asia. He spoke the truth. Finally !
If what he says is the "truth," does that indicate your position on this
as well?
This whole thing is starting to remind me of both the commie-capitalist
bashing of the cold war, and the "jewish conspiracies" of pre-WWII
Germany...
--
In chaos all things are possible.
You don't know me. No one knows me.
I can be reached at ka...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Galina
Well, it is sunny here in Washington DC, too and I certainly hope you
can enjoy what I enjoy with this fine weather and with this beautiful
sky. You know, I look at hte beauty of the nature around me and I must
sing praise to the Bogoroditsa for having borne the Savior of our
souls. BUt this Gospa, she seems not to have talked enough aobut how to
honor the dead in the ground under which her apparition appears. Go
figure. Do you think she is related to the Birthgiver fo God or not?
If so, why doesn;t she seem to love Muslimi and Srbi?
Galina
( D. Doherty)
Galina
( D. Doherty) wrote:
>
>> ~>
> ~>Muslims are not supposed to be left alive if they have white
> ~>skin, blue eyes, blond hair, european origin, high education
> degrees,
> ~>~>in Africa and Asia. He spoke the truth. Finally !
> ~>
> Wow, what a great day it has been here...summer is finally come and
> the birds are singing :)
And the mosquitos are homing in