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Hans Rancke-Madsen

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Jan 8, 1994, 7:43:24 PM1/8/94
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There is a small creature in Danish mythology called a 'nisse'. It's looks
like a small man, usually about two feet high, although the exact size can
vary. It inhabits a farm and will help out with farm chores at night as long
as it's treated decently. This usually involves putting out milk and/or food
for it at night. If abused it will play tricks, often very cruel tricks, on
the farmer. It usually dresses in grey clothes, wooden shoes, and a red cap.
I believe the same creature is known in Norway and Sweden, although I don't
know their names for it. But there is a similar, almost identical creature
called a brownie in English mythology. Same looks, same behavioural pattern.
The difference is that it dresses in brown clothes.

Perhaps it is the same creature; England and Scandinavia is close enough
for that, although the different names and different clothes is interesting.
What I would like to ask is if you know of similar creatures in other
mythologies. Are these creatures known in Germany, France, Poland, or
farther afield? What are they called and how do they dress? I'm especially
interested in wether they appear in different cultures than Western
European, but I'd also like to hear from those.

To resume:

a) Small humanoid.
b) Lives hidden in human dwelling.
c) Helps with chores if happy.
d) Plays mean tricks if not.
e) May have to be appeased with offerings of food.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.

Hans Rancke
University of Copenhagen
ran...@diku.dk
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fellow human beings, and I just can't _stand_ people like that!"
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Bwaldrop

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Jan 9, 1994, 10:34:46 PM1/9/94
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Hans Rancke-Madsen (ran...@diku.dk) wrote:

<some snips>

: To resume:


: a) Small humanoid.
: b) Lives hidden in human dwelling.
: c) Helps with chores if happy.
: d) Plays mean tricks if not.
: e) May have to be appeased with offerings of food.

Well, it sort of sounds like a cousin of the Irish leprechaun, who (I
believe) dress in green. Supposedly, they have a pot of gold hidden and
if you catch one, you can get him to tell you where it is hidden (well. .
. maybe). My family had a tradition of putting a bowl of bread and milk
out on the night before St. Patrick's Day, as an offering for the
leprechauns. My mother said if we didn't do this, the leprechauns would
play tricks on us (I grew up on a farm). She also said that her family
had always done this, and that her grandmother said that her grandmother
had also practicsed the tradition (this would put it back to the pre-Civil
War period of US history). The family immigrated from Ireland in the 1740s.

Hope this helps.

Bob Waldrop
bwal...@xmission.com

Anthony M. Becker

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Jan 10, 1994, 9:13:31 AM1/10/94
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There is a children's book by Astrid Lindgren, entitled
_Tomte_Tummetott_. The title character seems to match your description
except that there is no evidence of mischief on his part. He seems to
be just a benevolent dwarf that lives on the farm and watches over the
inhabitants.

Tony
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Igor L. Berlin

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Jan 10, 1994, 1:21:00 PM1/10/94
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In Russian folk such a creature is called DOMOVOY, wich means someone who lives in the house (dom).
This creature is usually good-spirited, can help the house owners if treated right - food, candy, milk.
It does play little funny harmless tricks. Never heard of them getting mean and cruel if not appeased,
but they would probably be noisy and disturbing if not treated right. There is no standard way to
picture this creature, but it would most likely be a small man, with a grey beard, wearing bum clothes.

Cheers,
Da GarMeister.

Wolfgang Ratzka

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Jan 10, 1994, 3:00:04 PM1/10/94
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...and in Germany there used to be the `Heinzelmaennchen', who did all
the work during the night. Sadly an inquisitive person once put peas
on the floor and the stairs to catch and watch them, and they have
disappeared since then...
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|/\| \ Wolfgang Ratzka <Rat...@rphs1.physik.uni-regensburg.de>

Bertil Jonell

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Jan 10, 1994, 8:24:02 PM1/10/94
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In article <1994Jan9.0...@odin.diku.dk> ran...@diku.dk (Hans Rancke-Madsen) writes:
>There is a small creature in Danish mythology called a 'nisse'.

>I believe the same creature is known in Norway and Sweden, although I don't

>know their names for it.

Tomte
Hustomte
Tomtenisse

> ran...@diku.dk

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Zdzislaw Meglicki

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Jan 10, 1994, 4:48:44 PM1/10/94
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In article <2gqicm$a...@xmission.xmission.com>, bwal...@xmission.xmission.com (Bwaldrop) writes:
|> Hans Rancke-Madsen (ran...@diku.dk) wrote:
|>
|> <some snips>
|>
|> : To resume:
|> : a) Small humanoid.
|> : b) Lives hidden in human dwelling.
|> : c) Helps with chores if happy.
|> : d) Plays mean tricks if not.
|> : e) May have to be appeased with offerings of food.
|>

To me this sounds precisely like Mr Barlow, especially as to (d) and (e).

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Chong Kue

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Jan 11, 1994, 3:11:27 PM1/11/94
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I sure like to meet these creatures. I think they will be very
helpful. Anyone knows where I can get a hold of them?
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Robert Winkler

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Jan 10, 1994, 6:05:00 PM1/10/94
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Howdy!

-> Perhaps it is the same creature; England and Scandinavia is close
-> enough for that, although the different names and different clothes
-> is interesting. What I would like to ask is if you know of similar
-> creatures in other mythologies. Are these creatures known in Germany,
-> France, Poland, or farther afield? What are they called and how do
-> they dress? I'm especially interested in wether they appear in
-> different cultures than Western European, but I'd also like to hear
-> from those.
->
-> To resume:
->
-> a) Small humanoid. b) Lives hidden in human dwelling. c) Helps with
-> chores if happy. d) Plays mean tricks if not. e) May have to be
-> appeased with offerings of food.

Hm... well, I do know that it exists in Turkish net-culture. There it's
called `serdar'. It's a) Small [quasi-] humanoid. b) Lives hidden in
human electronic dwelling. c) Helps with computer chores, especially
filling up net-space, although *never* happy. d) Plays mean tricks -
period. e) May have to be appeased with offerings of lies about
Armenians & Turks.

I do know there's another name for him in English, but the print
wouldn't carry THAT...

Sorry, I just couldn't resist...;-)

James Perkins

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Jan 12, 1994, 9:40:09 PM1/12/94
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d9be...@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:

>>I believe the same creature is known in Norway and Sweden, although I don't
>>know their names for it.

> Tomte
> Hustomte
> Tomtenisse

I think they are also called "nix"...am I right? But the nix lives in
rivers and is like a siren, drowning men who are attracted...

J.P.

Tracy Kukkonen

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Jan 13, 1994, 10:47:08 AM1/13/94
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J.P. wrote:

> I think they are also called "nix"...am I right? But the nix lives in
> rivers and is like a siren, drowning men who are attracted...

That's Lorelei, who sings on the Rhine. Brownies (as I
know them) help with household chores when you are asleep.

Torsten Poulin Nielsen

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Jan 13, 1994, 8:56:51 AM1/13/94
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hbsp...@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (James Perkins) writes:

>d9be...@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:

>> Tomte
>> Hustomte
>> Tomtenisse

>J.P.

Sounds more like the fellow we in Scandinavia call 'Nøkken' or
'Näcken'.

- Torsten
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Matz Bjurstroem

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Jan 17, 1994, 5:02:22 AM1/17/94
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You cannot get hold of them. They get hold of you...

Matz

Zdzislaw Meglicki

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Jan 19, 1994, 11:51:26 PM1/19/94
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In article <TRKUKKON.94...@kruuna.Helsinki.FI>, trku...@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Tracy Kukkonen) writes:

|> That's Lorelei, who sings on the Rhine. Brownies (as I
|> know them) help with household chores when you are asleep.

Mine must be exceedingly lazy. I sleep a lot, but I can hardly notice
any household chores moved out of the way in the meantime.

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