CRACHA and HIRAITH
Lizrm233
CRACHA
This is one of the words that in Wales at least is heard spoken, most
peole have a good idea what they mean by it, but I am not sure if I have it
spelt right. I certainly cannot find it in any dictionary. Maybe because
I cannot spell it??
HIRAITH
This is another word of simular ilk, but is probably better know, again I
am unsure of the spelling, although I have seen it written from time to time.
Perhaps the linguists amongst can offer the definitive definition.....
Nigel Evans
In article <19971016211...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Lizrm233
<lizr...@aol.com> writes
>
>CRACHA
>This is one of the words that in Wales at least is heard spoken, most
>peole have a good idea what they mean by it, but I am not sure if I have it
>spelt right. I certainly cannot find it in any dictionary. Maybe because
>I cannot spell it??
You've managed to leave out the "ch" at the end of the
word. You are one of the "crachach". You are a member of the
Conservative Party and so one of the world's elite class. Yes, you
cannot spell it. But, who cares ? You've got it, you flaunt it !
>
>HIRAITH
>This is another word of simular ilk, but is probably better know, again I
>am unsure of the spelling, although I have seen it written from time to time.
>
>Perhaps the linguists amongst can offer the definitive definition.....
>
You don't have to be a linguist to be able to write the
word "hiraeth". I know what it means. But, I'm not going to tell you
because I'm not really convinced that you're a Conservative. I'll leave
it to the "Plebs" to tell you. And, they will. That's all they can do.
--
Nigel Evans
Dave Thomas
In article <19971016211...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Lizrm233
<lizr...@aol.com> writes
>
>CRACHA
>This is one of the words that in Wales at least is heard spoken, most
>peole have a good idea what they mean by it, but I am not sure if I have it
>spelt right. I certainly cannot find it in any dictionary. Maybe because
>I cannot spell it??
>
>This is another word of simular ilk, but is probably better know, again I
>am unsure of the spelling, although I have seen it written from time to time.
>
>Perhaps the linguists amongst can offer the definitive definition.....
>
give their views. Crachach is a wonderful word based on the Welsh
*crach* meaning scab. It was applied to those Welsh? people who chose to
forsake their culture in order to emulate the standards of the English
gentry and nobility. It is avery common word in Swansea where the
crachach managed to build a few mansions along the best part of the sea
front while decimating the Swansea valley with poisonous fumes. Most of
them vied to fawn over the aristocracy by writing books dedicated to HRH
the pow in the hope of gaining a Knighthood - and indeed many did.
Hiraeth, well hir has the meaning of long - enduring, and aeth simply
means pain put the two together and you have something that expresses
the feeling of the exile.
You want more? How about Hwyl? Simply it equates to sail, fill that
sail with wind, and equate that with a Welshman chosen to play for his
country on the Arms Park.
With due respect what element of Wales to you hope to represent in the
assembly?????????????
Sorry!!! but am writing this after a most enjoyable meal which has just
gone a bit sour.
Hawddamor
dave
--
Dave Thomas
Linda K. Sherman
Colin Batchelor wrote:
>
> Barry Taylor (ba...@gwenhwys.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> : According to _Y Geiriadur Mawr_:
>
> : crachach, _ell._ crachfoneddwyr. SNOBS.
>
> Now, a while back on Radio 4's The World At One, when That Jenkins Woman
> first appeared, the reporter they sent out said that the "crachach" were
> the largely Welsh-speaking ascendancy who filled the upper echelons of
> various quangi, and who were held together by having gone to the same
> schools and same universities, predominantly Cardiff and, um, Oxford.
>
> I think he might have mentioned the Cymdeithas Dafydd ap Gwilym, but the
> report was during intensive Finals revision, so I can't be sure.
I know it's impolite to yawn when someone else is talking, but didn't we
pretty much beat the cracach horse to death here not all that long ago?
Lin
--
Linda K. Sherman <lins...@concentric.net>
Welsh-related and other stuff to be found at
http://www.concentric.net/~linsherm
Gwyneth Ellis
Bob Bamford <bam...@global.net.au> wrote in article
<34477FFB...@global.net.au>...
>
> I'm no linguist of note, but the most apt translation I remember of
> crachach (because I never thought that `snob' quite fitted ) was `The
> self-apointed leaders of a community' (I like the `self-appointed' bit),
> most of them tend to be in the legal proffession from my experience.
>
I'm no linguist, either. But the way I'd use crachach is as a Welsh
translation of the aristocracy. But the Welsh word is more like "the
aristocracy <spit>".
Lizrm233
<ni...@bleddfa.demon.co.uk> writes:
> You've managed to leave out the "ch" at the end of the
>word. You are one of the "crachach". You are a member of the
>Conservative Party and so one of the world's elite class. Yes, you
>cannot spell it. But, who cares ? You've got it, you flaunt it ! >>
Why do you have to be such a patronising B...... when you answer a
straight question, I am well aware if the meaning, thank you, just not the
spelling!!
>
> You don't have to be a linguist to be able to write the
>word "hiraeth". I know what it means. But, I'm not going to tell you
>because I'm not really convinced that you're a Conservative.>>
There you go again Nigel, I well understand the word's meaning, that was
not the question. But I am at a loss to see where party politics comes into
the picture??
"As a member of the Crachach I will try to rise above grubby point scoring"
Liz R-M
Kingsley Matthews
The message <yL+3ZNAE...@bleddfa.demon.co.uk>
from Nigel Evans <ni...@bleddfa.demon.co.uk> contains these words:
> In article <19971016211...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Lizrm233
> <lizr...@aol.com> writes
> >
> >CRACHA
> >This is one of the words that in Wales at least is heard spoken, most
> >peole have a good idea what they mean by it, but I am not sure if I have it
> >spelt right. I certainly cannot find it in any dictionary. Maybe because
> >I cannot spell it??
> You've managed to leave out the "ch" at the end of the
> word. You are one of the "crachach". You are a member of the
> Conservative Party and so one of the world's elite class. Yes, you
> cannot spell it. But, who cares ? You've got it, you flaunt it !
> >
> >HIRAITH
> >This is another word of simular ilk, but is probably better know, again I
> >am unsure of the spelling, although I have seen it written from
time to time.
> >
> >Perhaps the linguists amongst can offer the definitive definition.....
> >
>
> You don't have to be a linguist to be able to write the
> word "hiraeth". I know what it means. But, I'm not going to tell you
> because I'm not really convinced that you're a Conservative. I'll leave
> it to the "Plebs" to tell you. And, they will. That's all they can do.
> --
> Nigel Evans
I think Nigel is finally cracking up. As for Liz, surely she is one
of the Crachach! Maybe Nigel is just a wannabe.
Gwydion ap Gurnad
Nigel Evans <ni...@bleddfa.demon.co.uk> writes: > In article <19971016211...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Lizrm233
> <lizr...@aol.com> writes
> >
> >CRACHA
> >This is one of the words that in Wales at least is heard spoken, most
> >peole have a good idea what they mean by it, but I am not sure if I have it
> >spelt right. I certainly cannot find it in any dictionary. Maybe because
> >I cannot spell it??
>
>
> You've managed to leave out the "ch" at the end of the
> word. You are one of the "crachach". You are a member of the
> Conservative Party and so one of the world's elite class. Yes, you
> cannot spell it. But, who cares ? You've got it, you flaunt it !
>
>
> >
> >HIRAITH
> >This is another word of simular ilk, but is probably better know, again I
> >am unsure of the spelling, although I have seen it written from time to time.
> >
> >Perhaps the linguists amongst can offer the definitive definition.....
> >
>
> You don't have to be a linguist to be able to write the
> word "hiraeth". I know what it means. But, I'm not going to tell you
> because I'm not really convinced that you're a Conservative. I'll leave
> it to the "Plebs" to tell you. And, they will. That's all they can do.
> --
> Nigel Evans
Nigel doesn't know
Nigel doesn't know
Nigel doesn't know
Nigel doesn't know.....
Pleb.
Colin Batchelor
Bob Bamford
Lizrm233 wrote:
> CRACHA
> This is one of the words that in Wales at least is heard spoken, most
> peole have a good idea what they mean by it, but I am not sure if I
> have it
> spelt right. I certainly cannot find it in any dictionary. Maybe
> because
> I cannot spell it??
>
> HIRAITH
> This is another word of simular ilk, but is probably better know,
> again I
> am unsure of the spelling, although I have seen it written from time
> to time.
>
> Perhaps the linguists amongst can offer the definitive
> definition.....
I'm no linguist of note, but the most apt translation I remember of
crachach (because I never thought that `snob' quite fitted ) was `The
self-apointed leaders of a community' (I like the `self-appointed' bit),
most of them tend to be in the legal proffession from my experience.
Bob Bamford
Nigel Evans
In article <19971017231...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Lizrm233
<lizr...@aol.com> writes
>"As a member of the Crachach I will try to rise above grubby point scoring"
If you intend standing for the assembly you'll need to
master the art of "grubby point scoring". I had total control of it
before I was four years old and it all comes naturally to me now. Like
a language when you think about it.
--
Nigel Evans
Colin Douthwaite
Nigel Evans (ni...@bleddfa.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> You don't have to be a linguist to be able to write the
>word "hiraeth". I know what it means.
Goody, if you know what Hiraeth means then you can translate the
following into English for me. :-)
HIRAETH
Dwedwch fawrion O wybodaeth
O Ba beth y gwnaethpwyd hiraeth
A pha ddnefnydd a roed yn ddo
Na ddarfyddo wrth ei wisgo.
Derfydd aur a derfydd arian
Derfydd melfed derfydd sidan
Derfydd pob dilledyn helaeth
Eto er hyn ni dderfydd hiraeth.
Hiraeth mawr a hiraeth creulon
Hiraeth sydd yn torri nghalon
Pan fwy dryma'r nos yn cysgu
Fe ddaw hiraeth ac a'm deffry.
Bye,
Dafydd Price Jones
Mae Colin Douthwaite <cf...@southern.co.nz> yn sgrifennu:
>Goody, if you know what Hiraeth means then you can translate the
>following into English for me. :-)
It's already been done. The following attempt is by Aneirin Talfan
Davies, from The Oxford Book of Welsh Verse in English:
Tell me, men with wisdom gifted,
How hath hiraeth been created?
Of what stuff hath it been made,
That it doth not wear or fade?
Gold and silver wear away,
Velvet too, and silk they say;
Weareth every costly raiment:
But hiraeth is a lasting garment.
Now a great and cruel hiraeth
In my heart all day endureth,
And when I sleep most heavily,
Hiraeth comes and wakens me.
Hiraeth, hiraeth, O! Depart!
Why dost thou press upon my heart?
O! move along to the bed side,
And let me rest till morning tide.
> HIRAETH
>
>Dwedwch fawrion O wybodaeth
>O Ba beth y gwnaethpwyd hiraeth
>A pha ddnefnydd a roed yn ddo
>Na ddarfyddo wrth ei wisgo.
>
>Derfydd aur a derfydd arian
>Derfydd melfed derfydd sidan
>Derfydd pob dilledyn helaeth
>Eto er hyn ni dderfydd hiraeth.
>
>Hiraeth mawr a hiraeth creulon
>Hiraeth sydd yn torri nghalon
>Pan fwy dryma'r nos yn cysgu
>Fe ddaw hiraeth ac a'm deffry.
>
>
>Bye,
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