Translation help
Vivienne Morris
is it Am byth yn eu'n calonau ni or Am byth yn ein calonau ni
?
For family headstone.
thanks
John Sullivan
Morris <mau...@globalnet.co.uk>
John Sullivan
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Die dulci fruimini, o vos omnes!
remove the dots from the first three (Welsh) words for my real address
Dewi Gwyn
Vivienne Morris wrote in message <75gvt0$893$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
>please help to translate - Forever in our hearts
>is it Am byth yn eu'n calonau ni or Am byth yn ein calonau
ni
>?
>For family headstone.
>
>thanks
>
>
Yn ein calonnau am byth.
(2 ns in calonnau)
W.J Jones
<mau...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
>please help to translate - Forever in our hearts
>is it Am byth yn eu'n calonau ni or Am byth yn ein calonau ni
>?
>For family headstone.
>
>thanks
>
>
The ail here is to express the meaning in Welsh - there is often no need
to translate directly from the English. We find preople saying "Wrth
ein boddau" when they mean "Wrth ein bodd" - we can often (but not
always) ignor the plural form. We would say "Yn ein cof...." The
memor/ies of all of us."
--
W.J Jones
W.J Jones
<mau...@globalnet.co.uk> writes
>please help to translate - Forever in our hearts
>is it Am byth yn eu'n calonau ni or Am byth yn ein calonau ni
>?
>For family headstone.
>
>thanks
>
>
translate from the English. It os often better to express the meaning
in Welsh and ignore the English. We say "Yn ein hoes..." and not "Yn
ein hoesau..."
--
W.J Jones
W.J Jones
Jones <Gerain...@wolfson.oxford.ac.uk> writes
>"W.J Jones" <w.j....@wjjones.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>( ... We find preople saying "Wrth
> ) ein boddau" when they mean "Wrth ein bodd" - we can often (but not
>( always) ignor the plural form. We would say "Yn ein cof...." The
> ) memor/ies of all of us."
>
>I thought about that for a while and decided that the reason I still felt
>happier with plural calonnau was that it crops up that way in the liturgy
>in odd places like
>
> Duw, glanha ein calonnau ynom
> Ac na chymer yr Ysbryd Gla+n oddi wrthym.
>
>Not that yr Eglwys holds up a linguistic standard. Could it be that
>
> Duw, glanha ein calon ynom
>
>would express an unwanted (and potentially unwarranted) condemnation
>(in this case by the priest) on the state of the hearts of the others,
>his congregation?
>
>This set me off thinking about discrete parts of the body. I mean you
>would not want to replace
>
> Arglwydd, agor ein gwefusau;
> A'n genau a fynega dy foliant.
>
It is difficult to argue againts this, I agree. In a sense genau has a
singular form = gên, but that means jaw and genau is supposed to be a
nice word for mouth. We tend to use the singular form for abstract
forms, e.g. ein gofid yw.....but again, maddau i ni ein dyledion...
>but you'd probably argue that anyway everyone had plural gwefusau -
>although I am a bit doubtful about the number of genau, perhaps plural
>in that sense. What about ceg or tafod, though? Ein tafod a lefara
>dy foliant? Ein tafodau? Might they both be right but with slightly
>different meanings? I don't think I know any more.
>
>I suspect you can want to say "wrth ein boddau" when our boddau are
>distinct and only coincidentally are they simultaneously satisfied.
I agree that both may be right in their different ways. What concerns me
is that I type these things so carefully and I find so many typing
errors when I read the message. Are words corrupted by the net? I
sincerely hope so!! You say un cenedl = fine, but many might say that a
feminine noun mutates after "un" so we have un genedl. In this instance
many ignore the mutation...dim ond un c/gusan bach f'anwylyd. But I
would say un galon myself...If we say un gof we think of a blacksmith!!
--
W.J Jones
bardd y we
>please help to translate - Forever in our hearts
>is it
>Am byth yn ein calonau ni ?
Ie, rwyt ti'n gywir. Yes, this is correct.
Cofion serchus iawn
robin