PALMER REMINDS STAN KALISCH (was Boursy the Cabal-wannabe promotes cancels as censorship tool!
wil...@ix.netcom.com
[Note: When I posted the following discussion yesterday,
soc.culture.usenet and news.admin.misc should have been listed
on the newsgroup line. I apologize for my oversight. Please
add alt.genius.bill-palmer to your follow-ups.]
In <6jj7bh$l...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NeedALight?@NOT.netcom.com
("Louse-monkey John" Hausmann, recently smoked out of the woods
where he was cowering under the phony name, "Goin' Nova") writes:
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>In article
<Pine.SUN.3.96L-rev3_1-10....@crl.crl.com>, Stan
Kalisch III <sjk...@crl.com> wrote:
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>> On 14 May 1998 wil...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
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>> > Wait, hold on. What you seem to be really saying is
>> > that when Lewis decides to cancel something, HE calls
>> > it "spam" and his "judgment call" represents his own
>> > justification for getting rid of opinions he doesn't
>> > like. Isn't that it?
>>
>> Not at all. That's a grave charge you level, and I think your
judgement
>> has been clouded by the fact that Chris Lewis has said some unkind
things
>> about you and that Steve Boursy has complemented and sympathized
with you.
>> And those things alone don't form the makings of a fair assessment.
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>> > There have beem MANY allegations of Lewis cancelling
>> > articles posted to less than one-dozen appropriate
>> > newsgroups.
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>> There have been MANY allegations about you as well. Should I
believe them
>> because they are high in number? [...]
Bill Palmer wrote:
That's a smoke screen for Chris Lewis if I ever heard it!
You know very well that there have NEVER been any serious
allegations against me since I've been on the net, Mr.
Kalisch.
"Serious allegations" are certainly not found in charges along
the lines that "Bill Plmer flamed people who flamed him and
since Bill Pamer flamed them better they drooled as much general
nastiness about him (more likely as not while they hid under fake names
to do so) as they could think of in a shabby try at revenge."
You of all people know very well that "serious allegations"
on the net involve things like forgery, plagiarism, cancel-
ling of other people's posts, threatening violence against
other posters, orchestrating complaints to people's ISP'S
in order to interfere with someone's internet service,
posting documents in order to endanger people, posting
people's address and phone numbers for the same reason,
and so on, Mr. Kalisch.
[New readers need to know that Mr. Kalisch has extensive
knowledge of the net. He is considered by some as a
sort of amateur--but very savvy--"net detective." It
is with that in mind that I challenge him.]
Mr. Kalish, I publicly challenge you that if you have
any reason to even SUSPECT me of any of the above harmful
behaviors, or even if you have any knowledge of my
EVER posting under a phony name for perfectly innocuous
reasons, to share that with our readers.
If you have any reason at all to conclude that my
archived articles, including "Facts in the Case of
Bill Palmer" do not give a true picture of net
entity Bill Palmer, I challenge you also to share
THAT with the readers at once, Mr. Stan Kalisch.
I further challenge that if there is ANY reader on
the net, or any person in the wired world anyplace on
the planet with such information, that person should
step forward immediately and disclose what he or she
has.
Now, Stan, you are likely completely aware that I have
never even been accused of doing any of the above-mentioned
harmful things. More important, I think you realize that
none of things would even fit into the behavior that anyone
who has been reading my posts for very long would expect
of me.
So, when you insinuate that I've been "accused of things"
I assume that you refer to "Pus Bag Davis"'s perverted
slurs of the Louse-monkey Hausmann's groans, or the pained,
vindictive sobs from others of their unfortunate ilk--
all of whom attacked me for my outspokenness before I
was even dimly aware of their miserable net existence.
Mr. Kalisch, you know very well that anyone on the net
who carries a grudge against Bill Palmer bears that grudge
for being badly flamed by Bill Palmer and for no other reason.
The motive for their howls, whines, and whimpers sits right
there in Dejanews, in my articles respoding to my attackers
flames with my better flames, posted under my own name,
ALWAYS--nothing back-door or under-the-table about any of it.
I'm that kind of up front person. I may reach right out
of this screen and grab you by the throat and shake you
'till your teeth rattle, but I'm not going to sneak around
BEHIND the monitor and try to get you when your back is
turned.
Fact is, I have never been suspected of posting under a
false name, let alone forging anyone else's names. There
is a big difference between someone like me who has been
known to get plenty of folks nose out of joint with the "in
your face" attitude expressed in on-topic newsgroup posts,
and someone who commits the sorts of abuses I summarized
above--the forgeries, the posting of potentially harmful
personal information, the attempts to interfere with
people's net acces, the threats, and so on. So please
don't try to blur those very important distinctions, Mr.
Kalish. It simply is not fair.
Basically, my entire net history is right there in MY Dejanews
archive. As I just emphasized, I'm not a back-door, sneaky
type person. In fact, I'm not even big on e-amiling folks
at all in connection with Usenet. I like to keep things
right up there on what I call "the newsgroup screens"
'cause that's where I LIVE.
Matters having been set straight for you, Mr. Kalisch, let's
turn back to the somber question of Mr. Lewis. I did not say
that I know for a fact that he has been going around cancelling
other people's posts because he does not like what other
posters think or say. My point is that I have heard such
allegations against Lewis time and time again, and so has--
I think--everyone reading this post. In response, from Lewis
I have heard some noises that sort of sound like vague denials,
but maybe vague denials aren't doing the job for him.
Anyway, these allegations often come from people who have
merely been posting ON-topic posts in relevant groups. We're
not talking about "Spamford Wallace" or whatever the gent's
name is. We are talking about lots of little people who feel--
rightly or wrongly--stepped on by Mr. Chris Lewis.
I mean, talk about someone being a suspect, you've got to
admit that Chris Lewis is it when it comes to having folks'
newsgroup posts disappear. This man proves himself one hell
of a big suspect; in fact, you could almost call him a
suspect of suspects!
If Chris Lewis were a politician, people would say he
needs a little "P.R." As an individual user of no more
privilege than you or I, maybe Lewis should post an essay
"The Pain of Being Falsely Suspected of Interferring with
the Internet Communications of Others", or something like
that--just to show that all those suspicians about Lewis'
cancelling other folks' posts are baseless.
Just my two bits, of course...Come to think of it, maybe
Lewis is bucking for a "Net Suspect of the Decade" award,
or something. He certainly seems well on the way to
earning it.
So, how did this condition occur?--that's what I'm sort
of curious about finding out. How does it happen that
nearly the entire population of the net comes to suspect
the same person whenever any posts are mysteriously and
improperly cancelled? You tell me, Stan, because I would
really like to know.
Above all, Mr. Kalisch, in the future please don't be so
unfair and dishonest as to imply that because I have been
known to push plenty of aggressive or obnoxious or fatuous
noses out-of-joint fairly and squarely "on wordscreens of
the world" with my verbal talents, and have as a result been
called every dirty name in the book by some sore losers
(the larger percentage of them cowering behind pseudonymns,
at that!) that I somehow fall into the same shaky league
with a person who is SUSPECTED whenever someone's posts
disappear for no apparent reason anyplace on the net.
That's a helluva lot of mistrust floating around, most would
agree. One other thing: I think you are doing Chris Lewis a
grave disservice when you suggest that he doesn't need to explain
how that appallingly vast cloud of suspician about his net
activities "condensed" throughout the wired world in the first
place, Mr. Kalisch...
[...]
Bill Palmer
alt.genius.bill-palmer
Chris Lewis
>Matters having been set straight for you, Mr. Kalisch, let's
>turn back to the somber question of Mr. Lewis. I did not say
>that I know for a fact that he has been going around cancelling
>other people's posts because he does not like what other
>posters think or say. My point is that I have heard such
>allegations against Lewis time and time again, and so has--
>I think--everyone reading this post. In response, from Lewis
>I have heard some noises that sort of sound like vague denials,
>but maybe vague denials aren't doing the job for him.
How's this: "the allegations are entirely false". That un-vague
enough? It's hardly the first time, nor likely the last time
I'll have to say that.
I usually find it much better to entirely ignore Boursy and his
small clique of kooks. They make up anything that suits their
fancy, and then continue repeating their lies long after they've
been proven false. Life's too short to continually disprove the
same false allegations made by the likes of Boursy over and over and....
Most of the time other people here do the research and demonstrate
Boursy's lies. Never does Boursy substantiate anything he says.
Does Boursy stop repeating the same false allegations after being
proven wrong? I can think of only one time out of hundreds of
false allegations...
The poor man is quite obsessed. Any philosophical point he might
have once had seems completely submerged by his overriding obsession
to "get me" at all costs. You'd think, after trying for over two
years and failing to make any headway, he'd give it up. Nope, not
our Boursy.
Oh well, back to ignoring him again. Probably take out the rest
of news.alt.net too, no sense in having to retune killfiles every
time Boursy and the rest of his kook friends there changes their
from lines.
--
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