The Art of Islamic Deception
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Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism
Tradecraft. Persona. Deception. Disinformation. Cover: Western
operational terms and techniques. But, Islamic terrorists have their
own terms: taqiyya (pronounced tark-e-ya) : precautionary
dissimulation or deception and keeping one's convictions secret and a
synonymous term, kitman: mental reservation and dissimulation or
concealment of malevolent intentions...
Taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy' has been diffused throughout
Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed
by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against
Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: 'he who keeps secrets shall
soon attain his objectives.'
The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter of life and
death against enemies; it is also a matter of life and death to many
contemporary Islamic terrorists. As so often in the history of Islam,
a theological doctrine became operational.
During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and
returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water'. In operational
terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ' to assume whatever
identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal
and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be
Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets:
‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy'.
Taqiyya is common to both Shiite and Sunni Muslim discourse and has
significant implications for understanding Islamic fundamentalism and
terrorist operations. The theory and practice of counter terrorism
would be counter productive, indeed pointless, and even harmful,
without reference to taqiyya and kitman and the crucial role of
deception ranging from Islamic jurisprudence to Al Qaeda training
manuals, which carry detailed instructions on the use of deception by
terrorists in Western target countries.
According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence
and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded
as a virtue and a religious duty.
"Verily the most honourable of you in the sight of God is the most
pious among you; verily, God is knowing, aware!" 49:13
Shi'a interpret the phrase above as "he among you who exercises
Taqiyya most"
Like many Islamic concepts taqiyya and kitman were formed within the
context of the Arab-Islamic matrix of tribalism, expansionary warfare
and conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century
to confuse and split 'the enemy'. A favored tactic was ‘deceptive
triangulation'; to persuade the enemy that jihad was not aimed at them
but at another enemy. Another tactic was to deny that there was jihad
at all. The fate for such faulty assessments by the target was death.
Sydney NSW Australia: 2 November 2002
Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly, the controversial Grand Mufti of
Australia, is enjoying lunch with his trusted assistant Keysar Trad.
The journalist writing of the meeting with the Sheik noted:
'Several times, when direct responses to questions about passages in
the Koran begged a simple yes or no, both men preferred to avoid the
issues by talking about the difficulties of translating passages from
Arabic to English.'
Referring to the Sheikhs blithe dismissal of his virulent anti-Semitic
remarks in 1998, the journalist reflected:
'I can only muse at the facility of my guest, who has also praised
suicide bombers in more recent times, to dismiss his notorious and
abominable remarks with such ease and without actual apology. It seems
clear that he is considering the way his remarks will be construed by
the Sunday Telegraph's huge and influential audience when they are
translated into Arabic for Muslims to debate. He's walking a
tightrope.'
The skilled journalist should not be puzzled as the Sheik's target
audiences were Australians and not Arab readers. Taqiyya, or
dissimulation, is a key feature in Islamic public discourse and
confuses Western audiences. It is meant to, according to the Koran:
'Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather
than believers; if any do that; they shall have no relation left with
Allah except by way of precaution….that ye may guard yourselves'. 3:28
Al Taqiyya is with tongue only; not the heart. A believer can make any
statement as long as the ‘heart is comfortable'. The 9/11 terrorists
lived and visited in the United States for two years before the 9/11
attacks. How did they acculturate? By the use of taqiyya. Meaning: I
hate you but I smile at you-in public.
Taqiyya and ‘Outwitting' in contemporary political discourse and
debates
Outwitting: Islamic spokesmen commonly use taqiyya as a form of
‘outwitting'. The matter under discussion is not to be debated or
discussed; rather the opponent is to ‘outwitted' through taqiyya, by
diversion of the subject and obfuscation aided at times with a
mystical reference to God or Allah.
The claim that difficulties in translating from Arabic to English make
communication with non-Arab speakers difficult or impossible, is
another form of outwitting. The tactical use of a translator offers
considerable advantage.
Role playing as victim: Claiming to be 'the victim' of religious
discrimination and intolerance during debate or discussion is another
form of distraction and ‘outwitting'.
Manipulating ambiguity: Sheik Hilaly of Sydney, Australia is on public
record as (a) 'condemning' the 9/11 attacks in ambiguous terms and (b)
praising suicide and martyr operations However, Islamic spokesmen
will rarely condemn a specific act of terrorism and direct questions
will be skillfully evaded.
Diversion: For example, questions relating to the 9/11 terrorists
attacks will be diverted by a causally irrelevant counter reference
to the plight of the Palestinians, the nefarious role of Israel and US
foreign policy and support for Israel as ‘causes' of terrorism.
Anti-Semitism, a core belief of Islamic fundamentalism is also
skillfully diverted by misleading and exaggerated historical
references to the alleged status enjoyed by Jews and non-believers
under Islamic rule, thereby deflecting critical examination of the
virulent contemporary Islamic anti-Semitism.
Demanding 'evidence': Islamic spokesmen practice a form of taqiyya
defined in psychology as ‘cognitive denial' by repetitive and extreme
requests for ‘evidence' and ‘proof' of alleged terrorist acts, which
they know cannot be disclosed.
Tactical denial: Rather than admitting that a proposition concerning a
state of affairs can be partly true, an Islamic spokesman will deny a
claim or proposition in absolute terms. For example, "It is impossible
to be a Muslim and a terrorist' , which is false and ‘Islam forbids
suicide', which is true, but irrelevant as suicide or martyrdom
attacks are not forbidden in the Koran.
Exploiting cognitive dissonance: Islamic spokesman tend to be baffle
television interviewers and puzzle viewers as they resort to double
talk ‘clichés and platitudes' concerning Islam. A state of cognitive
dissonance-holding two contradictory beliefs and attempting to resolve
them- is induced in viewers as they attempt to process the claim that
Islam is a peaceful religion with the dissonant facts of Islamic
terrorist acts and operations.
The Islamic 'defence' script: Islamic spokesmen repeat the same
predictable platitudes concerning Islam in London as do Islamic
spokesmen in Seattle and often appear to follow a prepared script from
"Islam is tolerant and peace loving' to the claim by Islamic
spokeswomen invariably claiming that wearing the veil offers them more
freedom (women in Muslim countries are therefore ‘freer' than women in
western countries), thereby precluding further examination into the
real status of women under Islamic rule.
Islamic platitudes are also echoed uncritically by Western
politicians, for example "A small group of fundamentalists have
hijacked a great religion'. The timely, skilful, misleading and
diversionary theme of the ‘hijacking' of Islam was introduced into
public, political and media discourse by an Islamic ‘spokesmen' in the
United States shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
The "Islam has been hijacked' diversionary theme is now a conventional
media and political reference deflecting attention from empirical and
historical examination of the doctrinal, political and religious
continuity of Islamic terrorism. A related theme that a small minority
of Muslims are engaged in terrorism is utterly irrelevant as Islamic
terrorism is always perpetrated by ‘small minorities' or more
accurately' small groups'.
Taqiyya as impressions and perceptions management
The tactical use of children: Australia television viewers noted that
interviews with terrorist suspects raided by security authorities
invariably featured veiled women holding small children or a baby as
they protested their husband's innocence and attested to his innate
goodness. Trembling fingers pointed to ‘damage' to the family
residence. In some interviews the suspect / father holds the child,
whilst denying involvement or knowledge of terrorism in any sense of
the word: an example of taqiyya in the age of impressions and
perception management.
Taqiyya and the Deceptive use of Jihad: The contemporary political
meaning of jihad is clear: it is Jihad of the sword. Egyptian-based
Islamic fundamentalists, from whom Bin Laden recruited his key
operatives, believe jihad is the fourth pillar of Islam and is a
binding belief and integral to the faith. Claiming that Jihad is a
subjective and psychological state of personal struggle is taqiyya. In
contemporary terms, Jihad means - holy war - against unbelievers and
it in this context that Al Qaeda training manuals refer to Jihad as
‘Holy War'.
The study of taqiyya and kitman is crucial to an understanding of
Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism ranging from the issuing of false
terrorist threats, operational and strategic disinformation issued by
Al Qaeda in the form of ‘intelligence chatter' to the use of taqiyya
and kitman by terrorists during interrogation and the use of
systematically misleading expressions concerning Islam and terrorism
by Muslim ‘spokesmen'.
Docky Wocky
" In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the 'mujahadeen ' to
assume whatever
identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal
and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be
Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets:
'the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy'..."
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Well, at least that explanation should remove any possible sympathetic
feeling for the Guantanamo schmucks.
Topaz
White Sex Slaves
American Dissident Voices Broadcast of October 26, 2002
Welcome to American Dissident Voices. I'm Kevin Alfred Strom.
Today I'm going to talk to you about slavery. About slavery of White
women and girls enslaved by Jews. About sexual slavery and all that
that
implies. So this is not a program for children or the overly
sensitive.
You have been warned.
Last week I told you about the horrible rape/torture/murders of Whites
by Blacks in Wichita, Kansas , the Wichita Massacre , which is being
given the silent treatment by the Jewish media. It was mentioned in
the
Moonie-owned Washington Times, and given some inner page paragraphs
here
and there, but it is not a national cause celebre like the racial
epithet uttered in private by a Texaco executive a few years back. And
no major media voice is calling for "hate crime" charges to be filed
in
the Wichita Massacre case. A few months ago a young White man faced
felony "hate crime" charges for merely posting a small sticker
truthfully warning others about the higher HIV infection rates of
Blacks
compared with Whites. But the brutal sex-torture slayings of a whole
houseful of young Whites by Blacks is not a story anywhere near as
important as someone using the n-word. It doesn't call for "hate
crime"
charges, either, but the posting of a sticker carrying CDC AIDS
statistics does. I'd say we were living in an insane world, and I'd be
close to being right. But it's more accurate to say that we are living
in a world in which the Whites have been driven insane by media lies,
media distortions, media omissions, and a false Jewish "morality" that
pervades them all.
The fact that the Jews manufacture "outrage" through media coverage is
well known. The fact that they do everything in their power to
minimize
outrage when the issue is non-White offenses against White should make
you question their motivations. And once you understand their
motivations, you will, like me, start to question their right to own
and
control our media of information and entertainment. You will
understand
that they are a separate people, with separate interests and
oftentimes
opposing interests to ours, and it is extremely dangerous to let this
separate, foreign people have a near-monopoly on the information
transmitted to our people.
Today, I am going to tell you about another crime against White people
which has received very little attention in the mainstream press.
Although a few reporters have mentioned it, it is, like the Wichita
Massacre , not a subject of nightly or weekly reports; it has never
been the subject of a major film or documentary; and the sitcoms and
jiggle shows are never interrupted to report on it. It's not a major
issue as defined by the Michael Eisners and Sumner Redstones of this
world.
And this crime is committed directly against White people by Jews
themselves. It is the crime of slavery, specifically the sex slavery
of
White women captured by Jewish gangs and forced to "serve" in brothels
in Israel and elsewhere. The few articles that do get written about
this
sex slavery almost never refer to Jews as the perpetrators. Instead,
the
Politically Correct euphemisms 'Russian gangs' , 'Russian organized
crime' , and 'Russian mafia' are used. There are hardly any real
Russians involved in these White slavery rings or in so-called
'Russian'
organized crime at all , as the journalists who write these articles
well know. The journalists also well know that if they emphasized the
Jewish nature of these traffickers in White Women that they would
quickly find themselves without employment.
The enticement into sex slavery begins with poverty. Russia and her
former Communist satellites in Eastern Europe were bled dry
economically
by the Jew-created Communist system for many decades. When that system
collapsed, opportunistic capitalists and former
Communists-suddenly-turned-reformers, many of them Jews, moved in for
the easy pickings and bought privatized industries, took advantage of
naïve Whites unaccustomed to predatory business practices, and looted
large sections of Eastern Europe yet again, leaving the people
impoverished, dirt poor, and precariously close to starving, despite
the
fact the Eastern Europeans are among the most highly cultured and
educated White peoples on Earth. To anyone who uses the Internet, it's
notorious that Russians and Ukrainians and Moldovans want to escape
their poverty and leave for the West, young women by the thousands are
advertising themselves for marriage to Western men on dozens of
matchmaker sites. Many breadwinners in those countries earn less than
the equivalent of $30 a month.
So when the well-groomed woman in line at the snowbound railway
station
or the two-line classified ad in the local paper promises thirty or
sixty times that for easy "housework" or "waitress" jobs overseas,
it's
no wonder that these desperately poor women say "yes" by the
thousands.
A large number end up in Israel, where the sex slavery of White women
is
especially common, and seldom even noticed by the authorities who give
it their tacit approval, but the Jewish gangs have worldwide networks
and enslaved White women are sold to Jewish-controlled brothels in
Europe, Turkey, and as far afield as Asia.
Let's listen to the stories of some of these women.
Lara Matveyava had no idea that the kindly stranger who offered her a
way out of poverty was a recruiter for a Jewish White Slave ring. In
her
case, she was promised a job doing easy housework in Germany, watering
the plants and feeding family pets. When she arrived in Hamburg, the
gang followed their usual first step for soon-to-slaves with
passports,
they took the passport from her "for safekeeping," thus making her
technically an illegal alien and outside the normal protection of the
law.
After three days she was told what her real job was: she was to work
as
a prostitute at a Hamburg brothel. Even though she determined at once
to
return home, she was imprisoned for six months at various brothels
masquerading as bars and nightclubs until she finally escaped. Back
home, she says that most of the other sex slaves she met there were so
afraid of their captors that they had given up trying to escape. Even
today, Lara does not use her real name for fear of retaliation from
the
Jewish gangs who "own" her.
She says: "'I'm not scared of anything any more because the worst
thing
that could possibly happen to me already has. Very few of the women I
met had willingly become prostitutes. Most were tricked. Most alarming
was the sense that there was no way out. ?Our passports had been
taken;
?we didn't know what punishment would face us if we went to the
police.
We were illegal immigrants involved in an illegal activity , we didn't
expect any sympathy. To begin with I refused to do the work, but later
I
had to, there was no other way of feeding myself, and by that time I
had seen the beatings other women got when they refused to
co-operate."
The women are told that they have to "work off their debts" before
they
can go free, impossibly high figures that are arbitrarily increased by
their captors as "fines" if they refuse to submit to any sexual
degradation demanded, including gang rape. When one Jewish pimp
decides he needs "fresh goods," the women are sold to others, often
again and again in a single year, with the "debts" they owe the pimps
going up with each transaction. Human rights groups estimate that
500,000 White women have been captured and abused by these Jewish
gangs,
and that number is from Russia alone!
[London Observer Sunday November 12, 2000]
Twenty-one-year-old Irina thought she was going to be a dancer when
she
got off the boat from Ukraine to Haifa, Israel. Within a few days, she
was driven to a whorehouse where her new Jewish boss burned her
passport
before her eyes. "I own you," he said. "You are my property, and you
will work until you earn your way out. Don't try to leave. You have no
papers and you don't speak Hebrew. You will be arrested and deported.
Then we will get you and bring you back." At first, she refused to be
a
prostitute, but the beatings and repeated rapes by her owners
eventually
broke her spirit.
Irina says "I don't think the man who ruined my life will ever be
fined." Until recently, White slavery wasn't even against the law in
Israel. And it was only under intense international pressure that
Israel
finally passed laws restricting it last year, but prosecutions are
very rare and sentences light. The enslavement of White women is
essentially winked at by the authorities there, who, after all, are
steeped in a tradition that only Jews are truly human beings, and
these
White sex slaves aren't Jews. And pimps prostituting White women to
all
comers, as long as the owners claim the women were not actually
purchased by them, is still legal there.
Marco Buffo, the head of an anti-slavery group in Italy stated "It's
no
secret that the highest prices now go for the white women. They are
the
novelty item now."
Mikhail Lebed, chief of criminal investigations of the Ukrainian
Interior Ministry states "Gangsters make more from these women in a
week
than we have in our law-enforcement budget for the whole year. To be
honest, unless we get some help we are not going to stop it." And the
Jewish media are helping to bring these criminals to justice, and get
the Russians and Ukrainians the help and publicity they need, right?
Recently Yitzhak Tyler of the Haifa police spilled the beans on some
of
the operations in that Israeli port city:
"These men pay $500 to $1,000 for a Ukrainian or Russian woman. Do you
understand what I am telling you? They will buy these women and make a
fortune out of them. Take a small place, with 10 girls. Each has 15 to
20 clients a day. Multiply that by say 200 shekels. So say 30,000
shekels a day comes in to each place. Each girl works 25 days a month.
Minimum. So we are talking about 750,000 shekels a month, or about
$215,000. A man often owns five of these places. That's a million
dollars. No taxes, no real overhead. It's a factory with slave labor.
And we've got them all over Israel."
A million dollars a month for an average Jew pimp in Israel. What do
the
women get? Beatings, rapes, forced performance of sex on demand, and a
little food and cigarette money. Bars on the windows. Marching naked
in
Jewish slave markets when they're sold again for maybe the fourth time
this year. Gang violence and retaliation on their families if they
escape. Punishment and deportation at best from a complicit legal
system.
The Jewish pimps are so confident of their invulnerability that one of
them, Jacob Golan, owner of three houses of prostitution including Tel
Aviv's "Tropicana," even spoke to the New York Times, stating
"'Israelis
love Russian girls. They are blonde and good-looking and different
from
us,' he said, chuckling as he drew his hand over his black hair 'And
they are desperate. They are ready to do anything for money.' Always
filled with half-naked Russian women, the club is open around the
clock.
?There are 12 cubicles at the Tropicana where 20 women work in shifts,
eight during the daytime, 12 at night. Business is always booming, and
not just with foreign workers. Israeli soldiers, with rifles on their
shoulders, frequent the place, as do business executives and tourists.
Mr. Golan was asked if most women who work at the club do so
voluntarily. He laughed heartily."
In a supreme piece of bitter irony, the reporter noted that Golan has
posted a "missing" poster for an Israeli woman near the front counter
of
his sex club. His concern is so touching, isn't it?
[The New York Times Sunday, January 11, 1998]
The United Nations now admits that the selling of sex slaves is now
organized crime's fastest-growing business. And most of these slaves
are
White women. The Sydney Morning Herald states that White women are
"the
most lucrative commodity of all", surpassing even the international
drug trade in importance. After all, drugs can be sold only once and
then they are used up. White women can be used and then brought to the
slave markets again and again for years until they are dead or no
longer
attractive.
Mariana's story is typical. Lured by promises of easy work and good
money, she left Russia for Israel:
"The brothel routine was brutal and efficient. She worked seven days a
week, servicing up to 20 customers a day, both Jewish and Arab?
"A man stood guard near the door of her room, furnished sparely with a
bed, a dresser, a shower and a sink. She was isolated from the outside
world, except for a woman who stopped each day to sell food to her and
the other Russian girls. Telephone calls home to assure her parents
that
"work" was fine were monitored.
"After about five months, Mariana was allowed to leave the one-storey
grey building with a driver to meet clients at a Tel Aviv hotel. Three
days later, a group of men drugged her in a cabana behind the hotel.
"'Do what we say. Don't kick and don't scream. There's no point in
fighting,' she remembers them saying before they gang-raped her.
Desperate, she tried to escape the brothel but was caught."
The Russian government admits that 100,000 women were smuggled out of
the country by these Jewish gangs in one year alone, making the human
rights groups' estimate of 500,000 enslaved Russian women look very
conservative. And that, I emphasize, is only Russia.
Doros Michael of the Immigrant Support Action Group in Cyprus,
explains
that White women are the most sought-after sex slaves:
"Russian women are thought to be more educated, more beautiful and
more
white than Asian women."
[The Sydney Morning Herald, March 8, 2001]
Amnesty International has issued reports harshly criticizing Israel's
toleration of the sex slave "industry." I wonder whether you have
heard
about that on Fox News or CBS or CNN? Amnesty International stated:
"The government of Israel failed to take appropriate steps to prevent,
investigate, try and punish those responsible for the violations of
human rights committed against traded women." They also cited the case
of 27-year-old Valentina, who said: "The conditions were horrible.
Most
of the girls suffered from venereal diseases. There was nowhere to
run,
there were bars on the windows and guards all the time, day and
night."
Valentina eventually was able to leap from a second-story window,
evade
the Israeli police, and escape to tell her tale. But thousands of
other
White women and girls are still there.
One young Russian woman, Larissa, says that she managed to escape from
her pimp only to be arrested by the Israeli police, who then sold her
to
another pimp who admitted he was a former Israeli police officer.
These
White slaves are without hope and without friends: the few Jews who
oppose this slave trade are outside the power structure in Israel and
White people in the West are grazing contentedly in the pasture of
consumerism, uninformed about White slavery because the Jewish-owned
media don't tell them about it.
At a recent human rights conference sponsored by the World Coalition
Against Trafficking in Women, it was estimated that there are more
than
200 sex slave brothels in Tel Aviv alone. It was also stated:
"When they arrive in Israel they go through an 'educational seminar'
that includes rape and sale by auction, after which their passports
are
taken from them and they are imprisoned in sealed apartments. They are
forced to work in prostitution in order to repay the 'debt' incurred
in
bringing them to Israel."
A few former sex slaves had the courage to speak out:
"I am Ilona. I was sold for $15,000, and a few months later I was sold
once more. They forced me to accept 150 clients a week. Lots of people
knew about me and the other girls. There were taxi drivers and people
from the grocery store who brought alcohol, and also the doctors who
gave us pills against pregnancy, take them all month long, so that we
wouldn't lose any work because of the blood. And the doctors checked
us
after we were beaten and gave us painkillers. But the worst thing
happened with the policemen who knew about me. One time I managed to
run
away and went to the police. They referred me to a policeman who knew
Russian, and I spoke with him and he listened very intently. An hour
after he listened so intently my boss, the pimp, arrived at the
station
and took me home and there he gave me the worst beating, so that all
the
girls would see what happens if you run away. After that, I couldn't
work for a few days."
"I am Yanna. At the airport I was picked up by Ilyosha. I had six or
seven clients a day on Ben-Yehuda, and I made him NIS 600-700 a day. I
got food, cigarettes and NIS 20 a day. After two weeks, he sold me to
Peter and Gershon, and I worked for a month at their massage parlor,
10 or 15 clients a day, NIS 150 for half an hour, and for me, NIS 20
a
day, food and cigarettes. After two months, Peter sent me to another
bar. Whenever I wasn't working I was locked in an apartment, and they
brought me whatever I needed. Peter said that I could go after I had
made $40,000 for him. I had between 7 and 10 clients a day at the bar,
and there I had to earn NIS 700. If I had a slow day, I had to work
harder the next day. They also beat me at the massage parlor, the
employees and the manager."
A charity group that tries to help Russian children and women, and
prevent them from being ensnared by these Jewish White slave rings,
Miramed, estimates that 90 per cent. of the women who leave Russia in
the clutches of these Jews are not aware that they are headed for
prostitution. And I add that none are aware that they will be enslaved
behind bars, forced to satisfy the lusts of their Jewish owners on
demand, and be sold as slaves again and again in Jewish slave markets.
The Jewish media have obsessed for decades about Black slavery in
North
America, a slavery that was abolished by White people and which hasn't
existed for over 130 years. But how often have you heard of the
enslavement of Whites which is going on right now?
I want all of you who hear my voice today to swear in the holy
sanctuary
of your soul that you will never forget what the Jews have done and
are
doing to more than 500,000 of our women and girls. And I want you to
promise me that you will never forget the Jewish media bosses who cry
crocodile tears for months when a Black criminal meets a policeman's
nightstick but who turn a blind eye to the sex slavery of enough White
women to fill Rockford, Illinois three times over. When I say never
forget I mean never trust them again.
Until next week, this is Kevin Alfred Strom reminding you that that
freedom is not free.
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Acharya
based on perfect and complete knowledge not fundamentalist sectarian
violence otherwise it is merely sentimental speculation masquerading as real
religion.
Violent Islam is a religion of absolute opposition. It thrives on the
energy that is generated by the creation of a dualistic world. It separates
mankind into two camps, the believers and the unbelievers. The tension that
is created between these two forces is the fuel that powers this violent
defacto fascist and totalitarian ideology.
This process works in two ways. First it seeks to dehumanize the
unbelievers. It turns them into something vile in the eyes of God and by
association, in the eyes of the believers. The act of dehumanization creates
the groundwork for the next step in the process of mobilizing the energy of
the believers. Since Allah has cursed the unbelievers and recommended that
the believers should fight with them all moral, ethical and humanistic
barriers have been removed from the believers in their treatment of the
unbelievers.
The evidence for this is given in the following verses. These are only a
part of the references that exist in one Surah. The Quran is saturated with
these kinds of references on nearly every page.
"[2.89] And when there came to them a Book from Allah verifying that which
they have, and aforetime they used to pray for victory against those who
disbelieve, but when there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not
recognize, they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers."
"[2.90] Evil is that for which they have sold their souls-- that they should
deny what Allah has revealed, out of envy that Allah should send down of His
grace on whomsoever of His servants He pleases; so they have made themselves
deserving of wrath upon wrath, and there is a disgraceful punishment for the
unbelievers."
"[2.98] Whoever is the enemy of Allah and His angels and His apostles and
Jibreel and Meekaeel, so surely Allah is the enemy of the
unbelievers."
"[2.104] O you who believe! do not say Raina and say Unzurna and listen, and
for the unbelievers there is a painful chastisement."
"[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from
whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do
not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it,
but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the
unbelievers."
"[2.254] O you who believe! spend out of what We have given you before the
day comes in which there is no bargaining, neither any friendship nor
intercession, and the unbelievers-- they are the unjust."
Once the unbelievers have been completely dehumanized and the believers
whipped into a frenzy of hatred against them, it only remains to harvest
this fruit with a little more materialistic motivation. The second part of
Mohammed's plan is to reward his believers with the property and lives (as
slaves) of the unbelievers and thereby move them into a joyous celebration
of killing the unbelievers and collecting booty. A people so motivated
cannot get enough of this kind of activity. On the one hand, they are made
to feel like they are accomplishing a great and moral purpose with their
lives, and on the other, all of their common cravings for wealth and sex are
satiated. Is it any wonder that the warriors of Islam were among the most
motivated in the world. Is it any wonder that today's fundamentalists regard
the days of Islamic conquest as it's greatest era of history and long to
return to it.
Of course Mohammed was not satisfied with the loot and power that could be
provided by a small following. He needed to build into his system a way to
continuously increase the size of his following and keep it motivated in the
direction of increasing his converts. He shaped his laws and the Quran so
that his following would always grow. He also knew that the spiritual draw
of his religion would be limited, slow and cumbersome. Before he began the
process of looting caravans, his religious message won him a very limited
supply of followers.
Consequently, his demand for his converts was "submission" and not
necessarily "faith". So one finds that the Quran, along with feeding the
fires of hatred for unbelievers, always holds out the carrot of untold
rewards for those who would become believers. Depending on the degree of
skepticism or spiritualism of the potential convert, the rewards were
offered in both this life and the next. Having no real spiritual depth or
awareness, Mohammed created the best heaven that a man of his base nature
could imagine. Heaven would be the place where a man could enjoy the company
of 72 beautiful virgins in an endless orgy.
This description was also an attraction to the kind of men that he would
need to accomplish his conquests. The details of a heaven that would appeal
to a woman were of far less importance to him. He knew that if he captured
the allegiance of the men, then the women would have no choice but to go
along.
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> Allah except by way of precaution..that ye may guard yourselves'. 3:28
livewithtruth
Allah except by way of precaution….that ye may guard yourselves'. 3:28
Acharya
THE 4 STAGES OF ISLAMIC TREACHERY: THE TACTICS OF MUSLIMS
based on 1600 years of Islamic History.
1) INFILTRATION:
First migration wave to target country.
Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the target country.
Characterized by professed tolerance of others and their beliefs.
Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful religion and muslims as
victims of misunderstanding.
Establishment of mosques as power bases (today globally funded by
gulf countries oil revenue).
Muslim leaders promote large push for increased muslim births in
target country to increase legal Muslim population.
2) CONSOLIDATION OF POWER
Proselytizing efforts increase.
Establishment and recruitment of fundamentalist jihadis cells.
Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population of target
country to Islam.
Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals ( Communists ,
socialists, anti westerns activists)
Increased efforts to silence and eliminate non-Muslim intellectuals
and opinion leaders.
Strong focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim
births and migration to target country.
Use of first and second generation Muslim citizens of target country
as jihadist foot soldiers.
Use of charities to recruit supporters.
Development of Muslim political base in target country. Efforts to
penetrate political and legal structure of country so as to support
Islamic growth from within.
Use of bribes and blackmail of non-muslim authorities to get them to
disregard establishment of subversive activities.
Financial networks strengthened to fund political growth, large
acquisition of land and resources by any means.(Today they are funded
by Muslim charities,Gulf countries Oil revenue and criminal
activities).
Tolerance diminishes and greater demands are placed upon Muslims to
adopt strict Islamic conduct.
Amassing of weapons and explosives stores in hidden locations in
target country.
Continuous and covert attacks and challenges against target country
leaders and religious symbols.
Overt disregard and rejection of target country's legal system.
Efforts to destroy power base of Jews and Christians in target
Country.
Efforts to destroy the social structure of the country.
Campaign of fear and terror against Jews, Christians and non-Muslims
to reduce their populations and power in the target country.
3) OPEN WAR WITH TARGET COUNTRY'S LEADERSHIP AND CULTURE
Large scale destruction of non-muslim population, assasinations,
killings, bombings.
All opposition, no matter what kind, is challenged and either
eradicated or silenced.
Widespread ethnic cleansing with Islamic militias.
Rejection and defiance of target country secular laws or culture.
Murder of all opposition political and religious leaders of target
country.
Murder of all muslim intellectuals who envision other alternatives to
radical islam.
Usurpation of political control of target country.
Demands for imposition of Sharia law.
Mass execution of non-Muslims, genocide.
4) ISLAMIC TOTALITARIANISM
The Qur'an and the Sharia becomes the "law of the land."
All human rights crushed .
Freedom of speech and the press eradicated
All Religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
Enslavement of non-muslim population
Destruction of all non-Muslim culture, groups and symbols in country
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> Allah except by way of precaution..that ye may guard yourselves'. 3:28
1MAN4ALL
> Oh yeah, hears more.
>
> THE 4 STAGES OF ISLAMIC TREACHERY: THE TACTICS OF MUSLIMS
> based on 1600 years of Islamic History.
>
I see from your posting history that you are a Hindu. What you have
written is totally nonsensical and can apply to any group of
immigrants such as Hispanics in this country. You are also stupid in
not realizing that people that you are trying to influence will not
stop at hurting Muslims; they will eventually target your Hindu
community as well, as we saw right after 9-11. Perhaps you do not know
that before President Kennedy, it was US immigration policy to
discourage Hindus from immigrating to the United States, for precisely
some of the reasons that you have mentioned against Muslims.
Almost 30% of the Muslims in the US are African American or
Anglo-Saxon Caucasians. The remaining 70% came here just to earn a
living and have a better life for their families. They are so busy
within their own communities that they don't have time to proselytize.
They do sympathize with Palestinians and other Muslims who are
fighting for their freedom, but that doesn't mean that they want to
impose their political views on others. They would also like
Christians, Jews, and Hindus to convert to Islam, but if they don't,
they can't care less. As many Imams and Muslim scholars will tell you,
the duty of a Muslim is to convey the message of Islam. Once he or she
has done that, that's all that is required.
I am amazed that so many Hindus are involved in discrediting Islam.
Why don't they promote their own religion instead of being negative
all the time? Are they ashamed of their religion, or have they given
up that anybody would convert to Hinduism? If so, doesn't it tell you
that Hinduism is coming to an end?
Stinker
smiles at you, you'd better get away...and fast, before he knifes you or
your children in the back.
Weterner should avoid doing business with these dishonorable liars.
livewithtruth
will see a clear and precise description of the tactics you are trying
to use in your last post.
So what is the point trying to apply them on me? You know nothing
about me, and if your post is any indication it looks like you are
either very uninformed about the ideology of Islam or very evil in
your attempt at covering up for the abomination that it is. Would it
be fair to assume that you are not uninformed?
Most people throughout the Islamic world are sick and tired of the
tyranny that Islam exerts over their lives and the only reason more
people have not renounced it is because they are in situations where
their lives and their families' lives are threatened with torture and
death.
You talk about the USA as though you know anything about it. You
don't. Where did you get your facts, out of thin air?
By the way , if Islam is so great why are so many muslims fleeing from
it? That is the question isn't it? You see, the way it works in life
is that one runs away from things which one fears and runs towards
things which one likes.
Most people in the Islamic world are prisoners of an ideology that
suppresses and demonizes all other alternatives. As soon as other
alternatives are available , people chose those.
What ideology forces people to be convert to it with death threats?
ISLAM!
What ideology outright lies to the world about its nature? ISLAM!
What ideology must try to kill any member that tries to leave it?
ISLAM!
What ideology takes away the children of people who say they will not
follow its doctrine? ISLAM!
What ideology is so afraid of its own validity that it seeks to
prevent the presence of any other faiths? ISLAM!
What ideology is so afraid of the truth that it can only lie lie lie
to its children about the rest of the world? ISLAM!
Islam is pure insanity and the Islamic culture is psychotic.
It always was from day one in the 7th century.
Islamic scholars even make the absurd claim that after going into a
country and massacring hundreds of thousands of its inhabitants, that
they are now entitled to claim the attainment of a gloriously wise and
tolerant society (as in Spain).
Islamic expansion was always by force of the sword. That is psychosis.
The glorious days of Islam is a LIE!. It was pure psychosis and death
for all who refused to convert or submit. Islam was always the
occupier, the only difference with Islam is that it simply destroyed
all the natives cultures who would not submit.
The Ideology of Islam was never able to grasp the simplest of truths,
that peace and wisdom cannot be achieved by the sword and rivers of
blood.
And for millions of people residing in Islamic occupied regions life
is
nothing but the most horrible nightmare.
And those who died at the hands of Islamic fanatics learned that
simple truth too late.
Notice that we are describing Islam and not the ethnic groups that
have been unfortunate enough to have been enslaved by Islam . So Arabs
themselves are people like any others not better no worse, and so are
any other ethnic group whose cultures have been hijacked by Islam.
It's the Islamic ideology which keeps them captive in the greatest
horror that ever existed on Earth.
Those who are courageous enough, do what has to be done to leave
Islam. But that is sometimes hard to do when death is the penalty for
leaving, particularly when one's family fate is also at stake.
Those who have the guts do speak out, and saddly they are often
attacked in the
most savage ways by fanatics of the Islamic Ideology.
Those who are not strong, just cower in fear, in the dark, in pain and
suffering and misery. Or worse become accessories to the most heinous
crimes against humanity.
Those who actively support the Islamic ideology are only showing the
world how psychotic and demented they themselves are. Sounds like a
strong statement but it is so true. Why ? because the tenets of the
Qu'ran are psychotic , it is that simple.When human beings adopts
psychotic beliefs, they become psychotic.
When people in the non-Muslim world are bright enough to see what is
going on, they speak out against Islam and everyday a sea of such
voices can be heard throughout the world.
Like it or not, that is the cold hard truth and no propaganda or the
river of lies that is Islam can change that.
Islam has no place is the free world , not any more than nazy-ism,
stalinism or totalitarianism.
And for you fora...@hotmail.com, I predict that one day you will wake
up from your long islamic crazed trance and rejoin the human race. On
that fateful day you will come to realize that all life is precious
and sacred regardless of ideology, ethnicity or label, but by then you
will no longer be a Muslim.
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> Perhaps you should re-read the first post on this topic carefully. You
> will see a clear and precise description of the tactics you are trying
> to use in your last post.
I have read it, and I have answered it a number of time: All this
nonsense is based on Goldziher's work, who was an Orientalist, and who
poorly defined 'taqiya' and presented it as some sort of training in
deception. Nothing is further from the truth.
Almost all Muslim scholars_ whether Shiah or Sunni_ agree that
although it is a grave sin to lie, it is permissible for a Muslim to
conceal or even renounce his or her faith before an enemy in order to
protect one's life and honor.
This theological view came about as a result of an actual event.
During the time of Prophet Muhammad, a Muslim named Amar bin Yassir
was caught by Arab pagans and was tortured until he renounced his
faith and condemned Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w). Once released, he came
crying and confessed to the Prophet what he had done who asked him
what he had felt in his heart at that time. He replied that he was
fully content with his faith. The Prophet told him that if he was ever
put in that position again, he can again do the same!
Soon afterwards, God confirmed this by revealing the following verse:
"Anyone who after accepting faith in Allah utters unbelief except
under compulsion his heart remaining firm in faith but such as open
their breast to unbelief on them is Wrath from Allah and theirs will
be a dreadful Penalty." And thereafter, this very practical principle
was established that it is more important to save one's life and
honor, without losing one's faith, than to become a victim of evil.
People such as Goldziher got confused by certain statements by Imam
Jafar Sadiq that 'taqiya' is obligatory and one who does not have
'taqiya' has no faith. These statements were made when Shiahs were
being persecuted by the Abbasids and were in great danger of losing
their lives. Revealing faith was a matter of life and death. And most
Shiah scholars would tell you that 'taqiya' is only permitted in times
of fear.
In law, the concept of necessity presupposes that at times laws must
bend for life itself is not straight. Taqiya is based on necessity; if
in extreme danger, use it; otherwise not.
> So what is the point trying to apply them on me? You know nothing
> about me, and if your post is any indication it looks like you are
> either very uninformed about the ideology of Islam or very evil in
> your attempt at covering up for the abomination that it is. Would it
> be fair to assume that you are not uninformed?
I always consider myself "uninformed" because there is always so much
to learn:-)
> Most people throughout the Islamic world are sick and tired of the
> tyranny that Islam exerts over their lives and the only reason more
> people have not renounced it is because they are in situations where
> their lives and their families' lives are threatened with torture and
> death.
As the Quran says very clearly:
[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has
become clearly distinct from error...
[109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
[109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
[109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
[109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
In Hadith, only those apostates are to be killed who are either waging
a war against Muslims or who have joined the enemy camp. Bukhari has
two chapters devoted to the issue of Apostasy. The first chapter is
called "Kitab al-muaribin min ahl al-fufr wal'ridda (the book of those
who fight (against the Muslims) from among the unbelievers and the
apostates). The second chapter is called "kitaab istibat al-muanideen
wal'murtadeen wa qital-i-him"; (the book of calling to repentance to
the enemies and the apostates and fighting with them.) It is obvious
that both of these chapters refer to apostates who have become enemies
of Muslims and the punishment for apostasy is not for simple
conversion from faith.
There is not a single Hadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammad) according
to which Prophet Muhammad ordered the killing of a person just because
he had converted out of Islam. In fact, there are two separates
Ahadiths (plural of Hadith) in which two people converted out of Islam
and they were not punished. One is the example of a person who had
developed a flu after becoming a Muslim and thought that his sickness
was due to his conversion (Bukhari 94:47). The other example is that
of a scribe who converted to Christianity (Bukhari 61:25).
The same is true of "fiqh" where an apostate has to be "kafir-un
harabiyy-un" (unbeliever at war) to be executed. For reference see
al-Marghinani's al-Hidaya. Al Marghinani was the great Hanafi jurist,
born in 1135 AD. His book has been recognized as the primary source
for many "figh" related issues where guidance cannot be found in
either the Quran or the Hadith.
It is true that during the Middle Ages, many Muslim scholars were of
the opinion that apostates should be put to death; however, their
opinions were shaped more by zealotry than by anything in Quran or
Sunnah. Muslims have come a long way from that, and there is not a
single Muslim country where apostasy is a crime. Whether it's
Mauritania, Egypt, Sudan or Pakistan, Muslim countries usually
guarantee freedom of religion in their constitutions.
A few examples:
Mauritania: The Constitution references Article 18 of the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights, which says, "Everyone has the right to
freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes
freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or
in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his
religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."
Egypt: Article 46 of the Egyptian constitution states that "The State
shall guarantee the freedom of belief and the freedom of practicing
religious rights." Article 47 further allows freedom to publish one's
ideas, it says,
"Freedom of opinion shall be guaranteed. Every individual shall have
the right to express his opinion and to publicize it verbally, in
writing, by photography or by other means of expression within the
limits of the law. Self criticism and constructive criticism shall
guarantee the safety of the national structure."
Sudan: Article 24 states: "Everyone has the right to freedom of
conscience and religion and the right to manifest and disseminate his
religion or belief in teaching, practice or observance. No one shall
be coerced to profess a faith in which he does not believe or perform
rituals or worship that he does not voluntarily accept. This right
shall be exercised in a manner that does not harm public order or the
feelings of others, and in accordance with law." Article 25 states:
"Every citizen has the right to seek any knowledge or adopt any faith,
in opinion or thought, without being coerced by the authorities.
Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression, to receive
information, to publish and there shall be freedom of the press,
subject to restrictions necessary to security, public order, public
safety, public morals and in accordance with law."
Pakistan: Chapter 1, Article 20 of the Constitution states: "20.
Subject to law, public order and morality:- (a) every citizen shall
have the right to profess, practice and propagate his religion; and(
b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the
right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions."
Article 22 states, "(1) No person attending any educational
institution shall be required to receive religious instruction, or
take part in any religious ceremony, or attend religious worship, if
such instruction, ceremony or worship relates to a religion other than
his own. ... Subject to law: (a) no religious community or
denomination shall be prevented from providing religious instruction
for pupils of that community or denomination in any educational
institution maintained wholly by that community or denomination; and
(b) no citizen shall be denied admission to any educational
institution receiving aid from public revenues on the ground only of
race, religion, caste or place of birth." Pakistan does have a
blasphemy law (which, according to numerous Islamic scholars, is
totally un-Islamic and which was promulgated by military dictator
Zia-ul-Haq), but the government and the higher courts go out of their
way to make sure that nobody ends up getting the punishment.
Iran: Article 23 states: "The investigation of individuals' beliefs is
forbidden, and no one may be molested or taken to task simply for
holding a certain belief."
Saudi Arabia: Saudi Arabia probably has the worst constitution in the
world but even that refers to treaties that Saudi Arabia has signed
which override any Sharia law. It states: "The implementation of this
law will not prejudice the treaties and agreements signed by the
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia with international bodies and organizations."
As Saudi Arabia is a signatory to UN Charter, by which it must allow
freedom of religion, though I concede that Saudis have a terrible
record in this regard.
I picked these countries because they are often used as examples by
critics when making allegations against Islam and Muslims.
Needless to say, apostasy is simply not an issue in Muslim countries.
> You talk about the USA as though you know anything about it. You
> don't. Where did you get your facts, out of thin air?
I have lived in this country most of my life.
> By the way , if Islam is so great why are so many muslims fleeing from
> it? That is the question isn't it? You see, the way it works in life
> is that one runs away from things which one fears and runs towards
> things which one likes.
That's a red herring because Muslims running away from Islam is far,
far less than adherents on any other religion.
> Most people in the Islamic world are prisoners of an ideology that
> suppresses and demonizes all other alternatives. As soon as other
> alternatives are available , people chose those.
Simply not true. Most Muslims living in the West, who are not under
any pressure, have chosen to remain Muslims, and many, in fact, have
become better Muslims!
> What ideology forces people to be convert to it with death threats?
> ISLAM!
See my comments above.
> What ideology outright lies to the world about its nature? ISLAM!
Again, a red herring.
> What ideology must try to kill any member that tries to leave it?
> ISLAM!
See my comments above.
> What ideology takes away the children of people who say they will not
> follow its doctrine? ISLAM!
If I am not mistaken, you are referring to some Muslim countries where
judges award custody to the father if the mother is a non-Muslim
foreigner. Well, American courts are no better, and almost always side
with the parent who is likely to stay in the country than with the
foreign born parent.
I believe that small children should always stay with their mother. My
personal view is shaped by a hadith in Imam Malik's Muwatta: Omar, the
second Caliph, was married to a woman from the Ansar_ the natives of
Medina_ and got separated from her. They had a son, named Asim ibn
Umar. One day when Umar was visiting Quba he found his son playing in
the courtyard of the mosque. He took him by the arm and placed him
before him on the mount. The child's grandmother argued with Umar
about the child, so they went to Abu Bakr. Umar said, "My son!" The
woman said, "My son! Abu Bakr said, "Do not interfere between a child
and its mother." After that, Umar couldn't say anything.
> What ideology is so afraid of its own validity that it seeks to
> prevent the presence of any other faiths? ISLAM!
Another red herring. Christians and Jews have lived peacefully in
Muslim countries for thousands of years. It was Europe which never
tolerated other religions until recently.
> What ideology is so afraid of the truth that it can only lie lie lie
> to its children about the rest of the world? ISLAM!
Another red herring.
> Islam is pure insanity and the Islamic culture is psychotic.
That's your (foolish) opinion, not a fact.
> It always was from day one in the 7th century.
> Islamic scholars even make the absurd claim that after going into a
> country and massacring hundreds of thousands of its inhabitants, that
> they are now entitled to claim the attainment of a gloriously wise and
> tolerant society (as in Spain).
Kind of an absurd statement. Not sure what you mean. For all we know,
the Moors were the most tolerant rulers in their time.
> Islamic expansion was always by force of the sword. That is psychosis.
Arabs never colonized Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, and parts of
China and Russia. Yet, there are a great number of Muslims living in
those regions. And a good 30% of Muslims in America are either African
American or Caucasian. Even Hispanics and Native Americans are turning
to Islam. Nobody ever invaded them.
> The glorious days of Islam is a LIE!. It was pure psychosis and death
> for all who refused to convert or submit. Islam was always the
> occupier, the only difference with Islam is that it simply destroyed
> all the natives cultures who would not submit.
On the contrary, all the cultures that Muslim armies invaded, thrived.
In contrast, Europeans committed genocide against Native Americans and
Aborigines in Australia.
> The Ideology of Islam was never able to grasp the simplest of truths,
> that peace and wisdom cannot be achieved by the sword and rivers of
> blood.
Islam grew because it makes sense, and that is why it is still
growing.
> And for millions of people residing in Islamic occupied regions life
> is
> nothing but the most horrible nightmare.
I don't think. I have visted a number of Muslim countries, and they
are not any worse off than their neighboring non-Muslim countries.
> And those who died at the hands of Islamic fanatics learned that
> simple truth too late.
Can you learn something when you are dead? LOL.
> Notice that we are describing Islam and not the ethnic groups that
> have been unfortunate enough to have been enslaved by Islam . So Arabs
> themselves are people like any others not better no worse, and so are
> any other ethnic group whose cultures have been hijacked by Islam.
> It's the Islamic ideology which keeps them captive in the greatest
> horror that ever existed on Earth.
Muslims prefer Islam, and that's why it exists.
> Those who are courageous enough, do what has to be done to leave
> Islam. But that is sometimes hard to do when death is the penalty for
> leaving, particularly when one's family fate is also at stake.
See my comments above. If that was true then most Muslims would have
converted out of Islam in the West, but that hasn't been the case.
> Those who have the guts do speak out, and saddly they are often
> attacked in the
> most savage ways by fanatics of the Islamic Ideology.
Answered above.
> Those who are not strong, just cower in fear, in the dark, in pain and
> suffering and misery. Or worse become accessories to the most heinous
> crimes against humanity.
LOL. You are repeating your red herrings.
> Those who actively support the Islamic ideology are only showing the
> world how psychotic and demented they themselves are. Sounds like a
> strong statement but it is so true. Why ? because the tenets of the
> Qu'ran are psychotic , it is that simple.When human beings adopts
> psychotic beliefs, they become psychotic.
That's your opinion, which are not based on facts.
> When people in the non-Muslim world are bright enough to see what is
> going on, they speak out against Islam and everyday a sea of such
> voices can be heard throughout the world.
Red herring, as I hardly hear this clamor.
> Like it or not, that is the cold hard truth and no propaganda or the
> river of lies that is Islam can change that.
I just disproved all your "truths."
> Islam has no place is the free world , not any more than nazy-ism,
> stalinism or totalitarianism.
It already has a place and in the next hundred years, perhaps sooner,
there will be more Muslims than people of any other faith or ideology.
> And for you fora...@hotmail.com, I predict that one day you will wake
> up from your long islamic crazed trance and rejoin the human race. On
> that fateful day you will come to realize that all life is precious
> and sacred regardless of ideology, ethnicity or label, but by then you
> will no longer be a Muslim.
I am already part of the human race! Well, Islam is the only religion
which believes in equality of mankind, and there are Muslims of every
race and nationality.
livewithtruth
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