In the Realm of the Geographer, Seth Frantzman

[HHW]

"So, if we want to remain alive, we have to kill and kill and kill.
All day, every day. [...] If we don't kill we cease to exist [...]
Unilateral separation doesn't guarantee 'peace' - it guarantees a
Zionist-Jewish state with an overwhelming majority of Jews.

Arnon Soffer, professor of geography at Haifa University, Israel, the
Jerusalem Post, 10 May, 2004.

[drahcir]

Nah, he never said that. (Monty Python variation)

[HHW]

On May 24, 1:32 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2013 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT), HHW
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> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"So, if we want to remain alive, we have to kill and kill and kill.
> >All day, every day. [...] If we don't kill we cease to exist [...]
> >Unilateral separation doesn't guarantee 'peace' - it guarantees a
> >Zionist-Jewish state with an overwhelming majority of Jews.
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> >Arnon Soffer, professor of geography at Haifa University, Israel, the
> >Jerusalem Post, 10 May, 2004.
>
> Nah, he never said that. (Monty Python variation)

You don't trust the Jerusalem Post?

[מין הארץ יהודי ישראלי עברית אמריקאי‎]

We don't trust you asshole.

[Tell it like it is.]

Drahcir is a an organ grinder's monkey. An ad hominem does not make
for rational argument. The Talmud which is worshipped by Drahcir is
beyond proof. Yet Drahcir doesn't accept anything without proof.

[Tell it like it is.]

On May 24, 1:32 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 24 May 2013 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT), HHW
>

> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"So, if we want to remain alive, we have to kill and kill and kill.
> >All day, every day. [...] If we don't kill we cease to exist [...]
> >Unilateral separation doesn't guarantee 'peace' - it guarantees a
> >Zionist-Jewish state with an overwhelming majority of Jews.
>
> >Arnon Soffer, professor of geography at Haifa University, Israel, the
> >Jerusalem Post, 10 May, 2004.
>
> Nah, he never said that. (Monty Python variation)

God said he created the world in six days. It's in the
Bible.

[מין הארץ יהודי ישראלי עברית אמריקאי‎]

On May 24, 5:00 pm, "Tell it like it is."

Why do you feel offended? Richard is your better. That is just
common knowledge. You are fortunate that a common imbecile like you
is even being addressed by Richard. He' not like you. He comes from
good people.

[drahcir]

Never appeared there. I've read every issue.

[HHW]

On May 24, 6:00 pm, "Tell it like it is."

Maybe there is no Jewish Culture beyond the Torah and the Talmud.
After all when you read the litany of achievements of which Ratner is
so proud, they seem to fall under the heading of western culture.

[HHW]

Spoken by the man who never lies.

[Tell it like it is.]

On May 24, 6:57 pm, מין הארץ יהודי ישראלי עברית אמריקאי

What would a good Jew like you do without his gentiles?

[drahcir]

Except to yet again prove how incredibly dull you are, does the above
serve any purpose? Did you take my comment to mean that I wanted you
to believe that I've read every issue, H? is that what your lawyer's
brain managed to glean from my statement?

[Tell it like it is.]

On May 25, 8:46 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 May 2013 00:21:54 -0700 (PDT), HHW
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> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On May 24, 7:13 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:45:22 -0700 (PDT), HHW
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> >> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 24, 1:32 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 24 May 2013 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT), HHW
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> >> >> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >"So, if we want to remain alive, we have to kill and kill and kill.
> >> >> >All day, every day. [...] If we don't kill we cease to exist [...]
> >> >> >Unilateral separation doesn't guarantee 'peace' - it guarantees a
> >> >> >Zionist-Jewish state with an overwhelming majority of Jews.
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> >> >> >Arnon Soffer, professor of geography at Haifa University, Israel, the
> >> >> >Jerusalem Post, 10 May, 2004.
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> >> >> Nah, he never said that. (Monty Python variation)
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> >> >You don't trust the Jerusalem Post?
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> >> Never appeared there. I've read every issue.
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> >Spoken by the man who never lies.
>
> Except to yet again prove how incredibly dull you are, does the above
> serve any purpose? Did you take my comment to mean that I wanted you
> to believe that I've read every issue, H? is that what your lawyer's
> brain managed to glean from my statement?

Everyone can read your harassment of HHW. Read the above typical few
lines of enlightenment.
Christians watch in the United states of America ethnic Americans,
ashkenazi jews, promoting themselves on the back of another people,
muslims, and driving them to madness with ethnic hatred, while nations
must absorb the displaced populations including the United States.
Jews like you Drahcir may wish to demonoze muslims and feel superior
to the muslim people on their magic carpet, while Christians watch
silently the non-stop demonization from your kind that has driven
Muslims to madness. A suicide bomber is a person who has found life
unfit to live. Those are obviously acts of desperation by a people who
have been driven to madness by contempt from a people like yourself
who have been given unqualified support through propaganda. It is
hypocrisy and against the grain of the AMERICAN CHARACTER to hate
muslims and write then, like a good jew, write about and talk about
"the haters" meaning everyone but themselves are "the haters". It is
sickening to witness flagrant hypocrisy and a madman in the news a few
days ago in Britain is the end result.
Unfortunately, what is promoting itself as israel is not the Israel
that brought Christ into the world. In fact, tele-evangelists do great
harm when they promote Zionism like a Jew in a ghetto in Russia
promoting Zionism and Communism as stated as fact in Chaim Weizmann's
autobiography before the fact: Trial and Error. These groups are for
discussion and debate. You use these groups to harass a man who like
all Christians doesn't adhere to the demonization of a people.
and I use to think Senator Schumer was arrogant, assinine, and off the
wall speaking for the black caucus in Washington D.C. rather than
allow a black man to speak for himself.
I can now understand your jewish contempt for
Christ. Two thousasnd years ago he made known the hypocrisy that
characterizes you, and in those twenty centuries hatred of him and the
Lord God has not changed nor has your character as a people who
promote yourselves as indispensable to the human race after the birth
of Christ in Israel two thousand years ago on the blood of the
martyrdom of men who wrote the Holy Bible.
The Muslims are going to get what they want in the
middle east when the nations of the middle east are united under the
muslim brotherhood, because by bringing down regimes that were loyal
to the USA regimes united under a common bond of radical islam will
spring up (the arab spring), and the jews of Israel who have been
promoting that state of affairs in Israel and in the United states
will entrench themselves as one with the USA and its Christians to
fight the enemy they themselves created:radical ethnocentricism.
I heard a comedian and his show being advertised
over the BBC. His show in its entirety is a mockery of and a
demonization of all things German. Anyone mentioning 490 of 500
Commissars of Russia in 1920 being ethnic non-Russian would be
demonized as a hater of Jews. No comedy I guess. While a real Brit
lies hacked to death by a madman -displaced populations are due to
ethnic rivalry.

[Tell it like it is.]

> On May 25, 8:46 am, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
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> > On Sat, 25 May 2013 00:21:54 -0700 (PDT), HHW
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> > <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >On May 24, 7:13 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:45:22 -0700 (PDT), HHW
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> > >> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >On May 24, 1:32 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > >> >> On Fri, 24 May 2013 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT), HHW
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> > >> >> <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >"So, if we want to remain alive, we have to kill and kill and kill.
> > >> >> >All day, every day. [...] If we don't kill we cease to exist [...]
> > >> >> >Unilateral separation doesn't guarantee 'peace' - it guarantees a
> > >> >> >Zionist-Jewish state with an overwhelming majority of Jews.
>
> > >> >> >Arnon Soffer, professor of geography at Haifa University, Israel, the
> > >> >> >Jerusalem Post, 10 May, 2004.
>
> > >> >> Nah, he never said that. (Monty Python variation)
>
> > >> >You don't trust the Jerusalem Post?
>
> > >> Never appeared there. I've read every issue.
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> > >Spoken by the man who never lies.

Except to yet again prove how incredibly dull you are, does the above
serve any purpose? Did you take my comment to mean that I wanted you
to believe that I've read every issue, H? is that what your lawyer's
brain managed to glean from my statement?

http://www.archive.org/details/trialanderrorthe010805mbp
Communism and Zionism A Movement! A Movement! A glorious bowel
movement for mother Russia:
the autobiography of Chaim Weizmann

[drahcir]

I view music as part of Western culture, at least the sort of music I
make. So, I am sure, did Heifetz, Horowitz, Rubinstein, Elman, Seidl,
Berlin, Gershwin, Piatigorski, Godowsky. Mendelssohn, Kreisler,
Korngold, Mahler, Schoenberg, Joachim, Menuhin, Moiseivitch, Hess,
Finzi, Dukas, Milhaud, Monteux, Offenbach, Klemperer, Meyerbeer,
Steinberg, Waxman, Weill, Szell, Solti, Nyiregyh;azi, Szeryng,
Horszowski, Rosenthal, Stern, etc., not that you've ever heard of any
of them.

[dsharavi]

Only an antisemitic stooge like Hunter Watson "trusts" the Electronic
Intifada version of anything.

What Arnon Soffer ACTUALLY said:

"I said, "The pressure at the border will be awful. It's going to be a
terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and
kill and kill." That statement caused a huge stir at the time, and
it's amazing to see how many dozens of angry, ignorant responses I
continue to receive from leftists in Israel and anti-Semites abroad,
who took my words out of context. I didn't RECOMMEND that we kill
Palestinians. I said we'll HAVE to kill them. I was right about
mounting demographic pressures. So today, I would update the headline
you gave my last interview and call this one: "It's the demography and
anti-Semitism, stupid."

'I didn't suggest we kill Palestinians'
Ruthie Blum Leibowitz
10/10/2007

Geostrategist Arnon Soffer: I only said Israel would 'have to kill
them.'

Arnon Soffer arrives at our meeting armed with a stack of books and
papers. Among them is a copy of an interview I conducted with him
three and a half years ago ("It's the demography, stupid," May 21,
2004), and print-outs of angry responses the geostrategist from the
University of Haifa says he continues to receive "from leftists in
Israel and anti-Semites abroad, who took my words out of context."

The passage that aroused the most ire was as follows: "When 2.5
million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it's going to be a human
catastrophe. Those people will become even bigger animals than they
are today, with the aid of an insane fundamentalist Islam. The
pressure at the border will be awful. It's going to be a terrible war.
So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and

kill. All day, every day."

A lot has happened since Soffer made that statement, most notably the
very withdrawal from Gaza he was referring to and so championed. In
fact, the impetus for the pull-out has been attributed, at least in
part, to Soffer's decades-long doomsaying about the danger the
Palestinian womb posed to Israeli democracy. The venue of our follow-
up interview last month - initiated by Soffer to gloat about his
"predictions having panned out perfectly" - is the Dan Accadia Hotel.
Though selected due to its proximity to the IDF's National Defense
College, where Soffer lectures and serves as head of research, it
couldn't be a more ironic location. It was here, after all, that
former prime minister Ariel Sharon announced his disengagement plan to
the Herzliya Conference. While nothing seems to be the same since that
fateful day in December 2003, Soffer's convictions haven't budged an
iota. He still holds a deep - what critics might call delusional -
devotion to the notion that exiting Palestinian-populated territories
is the key to fending off the country's otherwise destined demise.
Well, that, and a fence to keep a majority of settlers in and a flow
of inevitable Arab intruders out.

"Israel is like the Titanic," Soffer bellows with cheerful self-
assurance. "I am trying to change its course - prevent it from
crashing into the iceberg - and allow it to continue safely on its
journey. But up on the Tel Aviv deck, they're having a big party - a
stock-market orgy. And when I try to warn them of the fast-approaching
disaster, they tell me I'm being ridiculous or that I'm exaggerating."
To prove his point, Soffer repeatedly whips out maps to back up his
pronouncements, many of which sound purposefully outrageous, such as:
"Jerusalem is no longer Jewish-Zionist," and "Iran is so weak and
vulnerable that it's unbelievable."

And, in spite of his speaking in absolutes, Soffer does deign to
concede that he's changed his mind about a couple of issues: the
Jordan Valley and the Philadelphi Corridor. He no longer supports
relinquishing the former, and now believes the latter has to be
repossessed. No small matter, but no matter. The 71-year-old father of
four and grandfather of eight still supports every other aspect of
what he considers to be a "brilliant maneuver" by Sharon to guarantee
a Jewish majority in Israel, with the blessing of the United States.

Challenged, as he was during our previous interview, on Israel's
willingness to do what he prescribes is necessary in the war against
Palestinian aggression - i.e. put a bullet in the head of anyone who
tries to climb over the security fence - Soffer shrugs. "If we don't,"
he reiterates, "We'll cease to exist."

RBL:
In our previous interview, you made many assertions about what could
and should be expected to happen following the disengagement from
Gaza. You claim now that everything has played out the way you said it
would.

Soffer:
Yes. I said, "The pressure at the border will be awful. It's going to
be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to
kill and kill and kill." That statement caused a huge stir at the
time, and it's amazing to see how many dozens of angry, ignorant
responses I continue to receive from leftists in Israel and anti-
Semites abroad, who took my words out of context. I didn't recommend
that we kill Palestinians. I said we'll have to kill them. I was right
about mounting demographic pressures. I am also entitled to defend
myself and my country. So today, I would update the headline you gave
my last interview and call this one: "It's the demography and anti-
Semitism, stupid."

RBL:
What about answering critics from the Right, who would argue that in
spite of incessant Kassam attacks on Sderot and kibbutzim in the
Negev, Israel has barely reacted at all, let alone by "killing,
killing and killing"?

Soffer:
Since before the withdrawal from Gaza, I have been saying that we have
to fire missiles at anyone who fires them at us; we haven't been doing
that enough.

RBL:
During our last interview, I asked you whether - with CNN cameras
pointing at the security fence - Israel would be prepared to retaliate
in the event of missile fire. Your response was: "If we don't kill, we
will cease to exist."

Soffer:
We are living in a 100-year period of terrorism, and we have another
100 years of terrorism ahead of us. We will forever be forced to live
by the sword. We are not wanted in the Middle East, which is why we
will have to continue to fight. The purpose of disengagement was not
to put an end to terrorism or Kassam fire. Its purpose was to stop
being responsible for a million and a half Arabs who continue to
multiply in conditions of poverty and madness. I am thrilled that we
are out of there. The Kassams do not constitute a strategic threat,
and the Palestinians will get the blow they deserve - though we do
have to be cautious, because the situation is complex.

RBL:
There are many members of the Knesset, and even the government, who
continue to consider us responsible for what goes on in Gaza, as the
debate over the right response to the Kassams indicates.

Soffer:
Our government has woken up. The only ones making noise are leftists
and so-called human rights lawyers who only care about the well-being
of cats, dogs and Palestinians, but never about Jews. It is true,
however, that we are faced with a dilemma on how to respond, which is
part of the delicate game we have to play. But, as I said then and say
now, the demographic pressure is only growing in Gaza. Wisely, through
disengagement, the government was trying to direct that pressure to
Egypt-the-horrible, from where arms and missiles flow into Gaza. This
way, Egypt would have to deal with it, not us. And that's what we're
doing.

RBL:
Hasn't the flow of arms and missiles from Egypt into Gaza been
detrimental to Israel? Isn't Egypt's control of the tunnels allowing
for an al-Qaida state to be blossoming there? Doesn't all of this
actually endanger Israel?

Soffer:
Al-Qaida's presence in Gaza endangers both Israel and Egypt, but first
and foremost it endangers Egypt. The Egyptians will learn this the
hard way, because they know full well what is being smuggled into
Gaza.

RBL:
But Israel gave Egypt control over that border.

Soffer:
That's true, but let me ask you this: What were the alternatives? They
were either for us to be responsible for Gaza or for them to be. Let
them wrack their brains over it. Let them be stuck with the
consequences.

RBL:
But are they "wracking their brains over it"? Are they "stuck with the
consequences"?

Soffer:
Yes, because when the arms from el-Arish reach Rafah, some go to
Nueiba and Sharm e-Sheikh, where there are suicide bombers. Indeed,
there are al-Qaida cells throughout the Sinai. We've seen how much
blood has been spilled there over the past few years. Egypt is paying
for that and will continue to pay for it.

RBL:
When you refer to Egypt, you are talking about President Hosni
Mubarak. But what about the Muslim Brotherhood - a powerful and
spreading force there?

Soffer:
Every morning, when I read the papers and see that Jordanian King
Abdullah II is healthy and Mubarak is still alive, I know we've earned
another day. I live with the sense that one day we will wake up to the
news of a coup in Jordan and Egypt. And woe is the day when insane
Islam takes over those two countries. In other words, in spite of
everything he does, Mubarak is still among our friends. He's also got
problems.

RBL:
So, you have said that there is a demographic pressure cooker; that
Israel will have to live by the sword for at least another 100 years;
and that when Mubarak and Abdullah die, we're in for worse trouble. Is
your response to all of this that Israel needs to keep withdrawing
from territory? And if so, then what?

Soffer:
My geostrategic assessment is that Israel is like the Titanic. I am
trying to change its course - prevent it from crashing into the
iceberg - and allow it to continue safely on its journey. But up on
the Tel Aviv deck, they're having a big party - a stock-market orgy.
And when I try to warn them of the fast-approaching disaster, they
tell me I'm being ridiculous or that I'm exaggerating. It is said that
intellectuals are the most ignorant of all people, and it's true,
because they're off in their art galleries and don't know what's
really going on around them. All they see is a mirage. Look [he takes
out a population map of Israel]: First of all, the Israeli Arabs are
enclosing the country from the Upper Galilee all the way around. And
here in the center, there is the rich, cynical, cosmopolitan "state of
Tel Aviv." As for the Arabs of the South: They're the bridge between
Gaza and Judea-Samaria. And I want to tell you, if we fail to keep
that bridge closed, Katyushas will be launched from Kalkilya to Tel
Aviv - right onto the Stock Exchange. Then the party will be over.

RBL:
What has to be done to keep that bridge closed?

Soffer:
I've written a whole booklet on what we have to do to save the State
of Israel. Yes, to save it. This "state of Tel Aviv" - this
hermetically sealed state - has to be weakened and fast in order to
save Jerusalem, which is no longer Jewish-Zionist. As we speak,
Jerusalem - a mere 60 kilometers from Tel Aviv - is being betrayed by
the 220,000 Jews who ran away from it. It is a national disaster.

RBL:
How can Tel Aviv be "weakened"?

Soffer:
The government has to decide to close it for the next five years.

RBL:
Not allowing people to move there sounds pretty totalitarian.

Soffer:
No, I'm not saying we should do what Stalin did. I'm for democracy.
What I'm saying is that the government should announce that for the
next several years not a single agora of the state budget goes to Gush
Dan [greater Tel Aviv]. All money for roads and railways has to go to
the periphery. All construction in the center has to cease, while
increasing construction in Ma'aleh Adumim and Jerusalem. And, after
that, in the Negev. People will be able to live outside Tel Aviv and
commute to work and recreation by train. Believe me, once there are
half a million Israelis living in Beersheba, there will be plenty of
hoity-toity trendy restaurants there, too.

RBL:
As someone so concerned about demography, how do you see the Beduin
of the Negev fitting into this?

Soffer:
If half a million Jews end up living in Beersheba - today, there are
200,000 - it will develop and spread out, reaching the Beduin-
populated areas. The Beduin will benefit by becoming part of the
larger melting pot of Beersheba.

RBL:
If the Beduin can become part of the larger melting pot of Beersheba,
why can't the Palestinians become part of the larger melting pot of
Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem?

Soffer:
Good question. As long as the entire Israeli-Arab population,
including the Beduin, comes to 1.4 million, in a country of seven
million total, Jews have a 70-80 percent majority.

RBL:
In spite of Arab birthrates?

Soffer:
Yes, because Jewish birthrates are on the rise, and Arab birthrates
are on the decline. That's why there's no danger inside Israel. But
once you add the territories, Jews and Arabs are in a demographic tie.
Because of the withdrawal from Gaza, today Jews make up 60% of the
Israeli population and Arabs only 40%. If we we wait 20 years, the tie
will return.

RBL:
Is this why you favor further withdrawals? If Israel returns to the
'67 borders - guaranteeing a clear Jewish majority - what then?

Soffer:
That's not necessary. Thanks to this completely crazy security fence
[here he points to another map, and runs his finger along the jagged
line delineating it], we have succeeded in reducing the suicide
bombings to zero. This by itself is a huge accomplishment. But [former
prime minister Ariel] Sharon's real achievement, which the public
doesn't appreciate, is having included Modi'in, Betar Illit and
Ma'aleh Adumim in Israel. In other words, 180,000 Jews remain within
greater Jerusalem with American support. Today there are 270,000
settlers in the territories, and their numbers are increasing, through
natural growth and due to Bnei Akiva members moving there. Through
Sharon's cleverness, Jerusalem remains in Israel and 210,000 settlers
are within the fence. Only 60,000 remain outside. In other words, 86%
of the settlers are at home. This is an unbelievable victory. So, now
you're asking me - and rightly so - whether we have to evacuate the
rest of the territories. Since our last interview, I have changed my
mind about the Jordan Valley. I said then that we were probably going
to have to relinquish it. I had been persuaded that there was no
longer an eastern-front threat, now that Iraq had become friendly,
that Syria was rusty and that our strategic peace with Jordan was
sound. But then, suddenly, in November 2005, there was a suicide
attack in Amman, which showed that there are al-Qaida cells there. I
also said that we would have to hold on to the Philadelphi Corridor in
order to prevent an Egyptian-Gazan connection. Now, if we put our
hands to our hearts, we have to admit that the IDF failed to secure
Philadelphi - a 200-meter wide and 10-kilometer long area, on one side
of which is a terrible country like Egypt, and on the other side of
which is Iran. According to reliable sources, Iran was already in Gaza
10 months before disengagement. Why am I bringing this up in
connection with the Jordan Valley? [President of the Council on
Foreign Relations] Richard Haass, who was director of policy planning
for the US State Department at the time, told me personally: "We'll
allow Israel to establish a 'Philadelphi Corridor' in the Jordan
Valley, to guarantee the neutralization and demilitarization of Judea
and Samaria." But because we failed to secure Philadelphi in Gaza, of
course we would also fail in the Jordan Valley.

RBL:
Aren't you being unfair to the IDF? Isn't it the policy that failed?

Soffer:
Look, when England sent the British army to fight Gallipoli [in World
War I], the policy was to win. The same applies here.

RBL:
But the policy in this case was to give Egypt control over the
Philadelphi Corridor and the tunnels. It was a political deal between
Israel and Egypt.

Soffer:
No. It's because the IDF failed that we made that deal. That's why
today I think we have to retain control of both the Philadelphi
Corridor and the Jordan Valley. And if we return to Philadelphi, it
will no longer be a mere 200 meters. It will have to be widened at the
expense of the refugee camps in Rafah, which we will have to destroy,
destroy and destroy.

RBL:
You just said that the beauty of Sharon's disengagement plan was that
America was behind it. But the United States would support neither an
Israeli return to the Philadelphi Corridor nor Israel's retaining of
the Jordan Valley.

Soffer:
You're right. But my gut feeling is that Bush is going to attack Iran
before he finishes his term in office. Recently, when I told members
of the [Israeli] government that we will have to hold on to the Jordan
Valley, they all said, "It's too late." I say that when it comes to
our security, there's no such thing as "too late." In the meantime, we
have no choice but to keep Hamas out through military operations like
Defensive Shield.

RBL:
What about Fatah? Is it any less bent on destroying Israel than
Hamas?

Soffer:
No. But neither are Israeli Arabs any different in that respect. No
Palestinian wants us here. No Muslim wants us here. No Arab wants us
here.

RBL:
Not even Christian Arabs?

Soffer: [guffaws sarcastically.]
Are there any of those left in the Middle East? They're absconding!
They, who used to be the founding fathers of pan-Arab nationalism,
have become victims of radical Islam.

RBL:
Returning to Iran, you believe that demographic imbalance is Israel's
greatest danger in the long term. But isn't Iran's soon-to-be nuclear
capability a much more immediate and comprehensive threat?

Soffer:
Personally, I don't believe that if Iran succeeds in developing a
nuclear weapon, it will actually use it. Even the most suicidal of
those nuts understands that if even a single missile is launched in
Israel's direction, it will provide the opportunity for Israel or for
America to execute the strike we're all waiting for.

RBL:
Are you saying that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doesn't mean what he
says about wiping Israel off the map?

Soffer:
Everything that madman says indicates he is hysterical.

RBL:
Hitler was also hysterical, but that didn't prevent him from carrying
out his plan.

Soffer:
Hitler was hysterical, but in this case, Iran is closed off 360
degrees by the "cowboy" America. I want to tell you: Two missiles on
the Iranian islands of Karaj and Siri, and Iran's entire oil revenue
drops from $60 billion to zero. Iran is so weak and vulnerable that
it's unbelievable.

RBL:
You're saying that Iran does not constitute a threat.

Soffer:
That's right. I think it's much ado about nothing.

RBL:
So, why would Bush strike before leaving office?

Soffer:
Ahhh... great question. The answer is that I have been speaking as an
Israeli, and Iran won't jeopardize its interests so totally just in
order to harm us. Furthermore, if it does direct a nuclear bomb at
Israel, it would destroy Jerusalem and the Arabs they care about. It's
not logical. Not only that. The second strike would come from us and
the free world, and then there would be no more Iran. Iran won't
commit suicide. But Bush's considerations are a different story. The
world's superpower cannot accept that 2/3 of the world's oil is in the
hands of a crazy person like Ahmadinejad.

RBL:
Your geostrategic assessments don't seem to take religion into account
- global Islam as a genuine ideology on the one hand, and the Jewish
belief in the right to the Land of Israel on the other. You even speak
of Jerusalem from a demographic perspective, rather than its being the
heart of the Jewish homeland.

Soffer:
I definitely do take global Islam into account, as I do the Jewish
people's affinity for Jerusalem. That is why I call Tel Aviv the enemy
that betrayed it.

RBL:
Are you saying that by wanting to live in Tel Aviv, Israelis have
brought about the necessity to divide Israel's capital?

Soffer:
Right you are.

RBL:
But a person can love Jerusalem without wanting to live there. If, as
you agreed, people can't be forced by the government to reside in a
particular place, what are you suggesting - other than territorial
withdrawal?

Soffer:
The first thing I'd do is finish the fast train line to Jerusalem.
Next, I'd move the IDF Spokesman's Office, Army Radio, the defense
colleges and the offices of the General Staff there, as well as all
government industries. Finally, I'd give subsidies for development and
hi-tech.

RBL:
Still, you favor further territorial withdrawals.

Soffer:
I'm originally a Mapainik, which means I'm a pragmatist. Today, I'm in
the center, which is why both the Left and the Right attack me. The
point is that our young people are leaving the country and we are an
island in a sea of Middle Eastern countries. This is why we have to
fortify ourselves with a fence. Then, whoever tries to cross it gets a
bullet to the head.

RBL:
But, while Israel is prepared to complete the fence, it is not keen on
giving anyone a bullet to the head.

Soffer:
Well, then, we'll cease to exist.

[dsharavi]

On May 25, 12:19 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 24, 6:00 pm, "Tell it like it is."
> <DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On May 24, 4:45 pm, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On May 24, 1:32 pm, drahcir <s...@sgscc.com> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 24 May 2013 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT), HHW
> > > > <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >"So, if we want to remain alive, we have to kill and kill and kill.
> > > > >All day, every day. [...] If we don't kill we cease to exist [...]
> > > > >Unilateral separation doesn't guarantee 'peace' - it guarantees a
> > > > >Zionist-Jewish state with an overwhelming majority of Jews.
> > > > >Arnon Soffer, professor of geography at Haifa University, Israel, the
> > > > >Jerusalem Post, 10 May, 2004.
>
> > > > Nah, he never said that. (Monty Python variation)

> > > You don't trust the Jerusalem Post?
>
> > Drahcir is a an organ grinder's monkey. An ad hominem does not make
> > for rational argument. The Talmud which is worshipped by Drahcir is
> > beyond proof. Yet Drahcir doesn't accept anything without proof.
>
> Maybe there is no Jewish Culture beyond the Torah and the Talmud.

Maybe there is no culture between your pointy little ears. Certainly
there's none between Danny-boi's.

[dsharavi]

Thanks for posting this nine-year-old Electronic Intifada crap,
Hunter. Correcting your typical bs led to the REAL thing, which is,
needless to say, vastly different. It's also quite a joke on you, as
Dr Soffer, like you, favours withdrawal from the Territories. It also
appears that Dr Soffer -- professor of geography and environmental
sciences, a University of Haifa founder known for his research into
demographics, water, environmental, political, and strategy issues --
shares some of your views. You, of course, were too fewken stupid to
realise that when you decided to mock him.

Here's the followup interview with the worthy professor -- not that a
jackass like you would be interested. But it might perhaps interest
one or more of your billions upon billions of readers.

BTW, Hunter, Seth Franzman isn't a geographer. Arnon Soffer is a
geographer. Franzman in an historical geographer. There's a bit of a
difference, however much you don't want to believe it.

So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and

kill. All day, every day."

Semites abroad, who took my words out of context. I didn't RECOMMEND
that we kill Palestinians. I said we'll HAVE to kill them. I was right

[מין הארץ יהודי ישראלי עברית אמריקאי‎]

On May 25, 2:50 am, "Tell it like it is."

When I address HaShem and speak to him in prayer I thank and bless
HaShem. I pray He make good blessings happen to my family, myself, the
Jews and His people Israel, and all good people. I'm not Jesus
Christ. I don't pray that my enemies be blessed. I also say several
other prayers including ones that HaShem plague the Veedmus that call
themselves Jews but in their hearts hate the Jewish people and Israel
then I recite the Amidah unless I'm in bed at night and then I
sometimes do a separate soul search and pray for others and other
things too.

[The Peeler]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 14:59:50 -0700 (PDT), dsharavi <dsh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Isn't, there Deborag? <G>

[The Peeler]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:09:40 -0700 (PDT), dsharavi <dsh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On May 24, 10:43 am, HHW <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "So, if we want to remain alive, we have to kill and kill and kill.
>> All day, every day. [...] If we don't kill we cease to exist [...]
>> Unilateral separation doesn't guarantee 'peace' - it guarantees a
>> Zionist-Jewish state with an overwhelming majority of Jews.
>> Arnon Soffer, professor of geography at Haifa University, Israel, the
>> Jerusalem Post, 10 May, 2004.
>
>Thanks for posting this nine-year-old Electronic Intifada crap,
>Hunter. Correcting your typical bs led to the REAL thing, which is,
>needless to say, vastly different. It's also quite a joke on you, as
>Dr Soffer, like you, favours withdrawal from the Territories. It also
>appears that Dr Soffer -- professor of geography and environmental
>sciences, a University of Haifa founder known for his research into
>demographics, water, environmental, political, and strategy issues --
>shares some of your views. You, of course, were too fewken stupid to
>realise that when you decided to mock him.
>
>Here's the followup interview with the worthy professor -- not that a
>jackass like you would be interested. But it might perhaps interest
>one or more of your billions upon billions of readers.
>
>BTW, Hunter, Seth Franzman isn't a geographer. Arnon Soffer is a
>geographer. Franzman in an historical geographer. There's a bit of a
>difference, however much you don't want to believe it.

Is, there Deborag? <G>

[Tell it like it is.]

On May 26, 6:37 pm, מין הארץ יהודי ישראלי עברית אמריקאי

Jesus Christ, moron, doesn't say your enemies be
blessed you freak show, He says pray for them that you don't
dehumanize them like a modern jew does to a muslim in a modern world,
and that you stop refering to everyone outside your religion as goy,
goyim, and gentiles forcing yourself to be seen as a closed-minded
ethnocentric at war , literally, at war with other ethnocentrics
because you put the outdated Levitical vengeance, sick and twisted as
it is in a modern world of educated human beings, above the ancient
Law of Moses and the birth of Christ in Israel.

[dusty]

On May 27, 1:52 pm, The Peeler <finishing...@themoronicRevd.invalid>
wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:09:40 -0700 (PDT), dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com>

[The Peeler]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 23:51:29 -0700 (PDT), "Tell it like it is."
<DanielAlbe...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On May 26, 6:37 pm, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ???????

><Royalty3...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 25, 2:50 am, "Tell it like it is."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> > On May 24, 6:57 pm, ??? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ???????

He's, just a negro person. He's been, taking so, many drugs that he,
think he's a Jewish person! LOL!!!

[The Peeler]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 12:42:07 +0200, The Peeler
<finish...@themoronicRevd.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 20:52:03 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
>sci and scj, FAKING his time zone again and IMPERSONATING his master, The

>Peeler, wrote:
>
>
>>>Maybe there is no culture between your pointy little ears. Certainly
>>>there's none between Danny-boi's.
>>
>> Isn't, there Deborag? <G>
>

>There isn't, just as there isn't with me The Rectum! Any other question?
><BG>

No, further question dipstick! <GB>

[The Peeler]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 12:42:16 +0200, The Peeler

<finish...@themoronicRevd.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 May 2013 20:52:03 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of
>sci and scj, FAKING his time zone again and IMPERSONATING his master, The
>Peeler, wrote:
>

>>>BTW, Hunter, Seth Franzman isn't a geographer. Arnon Soffer is a
>>>geographer. Franzman in an historical geographer. There's a bit of a
>>>difference, however much you don't want to believe it.
>>
>> Is, there Deborag? <G>
>

>There, isn't retard! <BG>

Isn't, there psycho? <GB>

[The Peeler]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 15:26:44 +0200, The Peeler
<finish...@themoronicRevd.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 May 2013 06:06:08 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of

>sci and scj, FAKING his time zone again and IMPERSONATING his master, The
>Peeler, wrote:
>

>>>because you put the outdated Levitical vengeance, sick and twisted as
>>>it is in a modern world of educated human beings, above the ancient
>>>Law of Moses and the birth of Christ in Israel.
>>
>> He's, just a negro person. He's been, taking so, many drugs that he,
>> think he's a Jewish person! LOL!!!
>

>"Shining" with my psychosis again, The Rectum? <BG>

Seems, you ARE psycho! <GB>

[מין הארץ יהודי ישראלי עברית אמריקאי‎]

On May 28, 5:11 pm, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 28, 2:37 am, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:23:59 AM UTC+3, dsharavi wrote:
>
> > I was thinking more of waste places becoming parks [human planted]
> > People from various places who were Analphabeths and learned to become professional useful people in society , and yes also buildings for people to live in.
> > mirjam
>
> Analphabets?

Maybe that is somebody that learns an alphabet through sodomy????

[מין הארץ יהודי ישראלי עברית אמריקאי‎]

On May 28, 1:55 am, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:25:56 AM UTC+3, dsharavi wrote:
>
> Deborah , I think i was very lucky to have grown up and seeing all the developing growing things that happened here ...
> mirjam

I like the big Mall in Haifa, but I couldn't find a brothel there.

[מין הארץ יהודי ישראלי עברית אמריקאי‎]

On May 28, 5:11 pm, dsharavi <dshr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 28, 2:37 am, mirjam <mir...@actcom.co.il> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:23:59 AM UTC+3, dsharavi wrote:
>
> > I was thinking more of waste places becoming parks [human planted]
> > People from various places who were Analphabeths and learned to become professional useful people in society , and yes also buildings for people to live in.
> > mirjam
>
> Analphabets?

Deb can you remember the Diaspora Yeshiva Ir Atikah Yerushalim. I was
living at 24 Mishgav Laudac Road and we would go to the Diaspora
Yeshiva but the poor guys there didn't have hot running water like we
did at Aish.

[The Peeler]

Why, would there be, a brothel in a Mall, negro person?

[The Peeler]

Why, would a negro person, need hot running water negro person? <G>

[The Peeler]

Ah you may, be right negro person! Butt, I am a Grik. Sodomy comes,
naturally to me innit! <GB>

[The Peeler]

On Wed, 29 May 2013 12:48:11 +0200, The Peeler
<finish...@themoronicRevd.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 May 2013 18:59:11 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of

>sci and scj, FAKING his time zone again and IMPERSONATING his master, The
>Peeler, wrote:
>
>
>>>

>>>Maybe that is somebody that learns an alphabet through sodomy????
>>
>> Ah you may, be right negro person! Butt, I am a Grik. Sodomy comes,
>> naturally to me innit! <GB>
>

>I am a miserable psychopathic Grik, The Rectum! And it shows with every
>single post of mine!

Right, Grik anus it does!

>You better believe it! <BG>

That's, pidgin retardese Grik anus! <GB>

[The Peeler]

On Wed, 29 May 2013 12:50:26 +0200, The Peeler
<finish...@themoronicRevd.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 May 2013 18:58:08 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of

>sci and scj, FAKING his time zone again and IMPERSONATING his master, The
>Peeler, wrote:
>

>>>Deb can you remember the Diaspora Yeshiva Ir Atikah Yerushalim. I was
>>>living at 24 Mishgav Laudac Road and we would go to the Diaspora
>>>Yeshiva but the poor guys there didn't have hot running water like we
>>>did at Aish.
>>
>> Why, would a negro person, need hot running water negro person? <G>
>

><BG> "Shining" with my idiocy again, psychopath?

<GB> BRIGHTLY, Grik anus!

[The Peeler]

On Wed, 29 May 2013 12:50:37 +0200, The Peeler
<finish...@themoronicRevd.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 May 2013 18:42:52 -0700, The Rectum, the resident psychopath of

>sci and scj, FAKING his time zone again and IMPERSONATING his master, The

>Peeler, wrote:
>
>>>> Deborah , I think i was very lucky to have grown up and seeing all the
>>>> developing growing things that happened here ... mirjam
>>>
>>>I like the big Mall in Haifa, but I couldn't find a brothel there.
>>
>> Why, would there be, a brothel in a Mall, negro person?
>

>Why do, I keep asking, retarded questions, I, a retarded Grik person? <BG>

Because you're, a Grik anus, Grik anus! <GB>

[מין הארץ יהודי ישראלי עברית אמריקאי‎]

On May 27, 12:51 am, "Tell it like it is."

Bullshit the NT says nothing of the such. You reputation for sucking
dick is well-known.

[Tell it like it is.]

On May 30, 8:31 pm, מין הארץ יהודי ישראלי עברית אמריקאי

The New Testament says a lot of things that were spoken
by Jesus as parables, but you can't understand what every decent Jew
in israel understood at a time, in the Middle East, when Christ walked
in the Holy Land and preached in Jerusalem.
Try some unholy Talmud. You'll like it.