1) While the US State Department keeps bugging China about the
Tiananmen Square event of 1989 around this time every year, let's
remember that China's accounting of it has been vindicated by US
diplomatic cables obtained wikileaks:
Unmentioned but even more unmentionable.
* * * * *
http://tinyurl.com/4xmlkxb
China's claims over Tiananmen Square backed
Malcolm Moore, The Daily Telegraph: Friday, June 3, 2011
Secret cables from the United States embassy in Beijing have shown there
was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square when China put down student
pro-democracy demonstrations 22 years ago.
The cables, obtained by Wikileaks and released exclusively by The Daily
Telegraph, partly confirm the Chinese government's account of the early
hours of June 4, 1989. It has always insisted that soldiers did not
massacre demonstrators inside the square.
Instead, Chinese soldiers opened fire on protesters outside the centre
of Beijing as they fought their way towards the square from the west of
the city.
Three cables were sent from the U.S. embassy on June 3 in the hours
leading up to the final confrontation.
The cables described the "10,000 to 15,000 helmeted, armed troops"
moving into the city, some of whom were "carrying automatic weapons".
At the same time, "elite airborne troops" and "tank units" were said to
be moving up from the south.
The army came up against "an elaborate system of blockades", described
in a cable from May 21, 1989, which allowed students to "control much of
central Beijing".
Inside the square, a Chilean diplomat who was positioned next to a Red
Cross station, was on hand to give his U.S. counterparts an eye-witness
account of the final hours of the pro-democracy movement.
"He watched the military enter the square and did not observe any mass
firing of weapons into the crowds, although sporadic gunfire was heard.
"He said that most of the troops which entered the square were armed
only with anti-riot gear - truncheons and wooden clubs; they were backed
up by armed soldiers," a cable from July 1989 said.
Leaders of the protest urged the students to leave the square, and the
Chilean diplomat relayed that "once agreement was reached for the
students to withdraw, linking hands to form a column, the students left
the square through the south-east corner".
2) Chai Ling, the "1989 Beijing democracy movement goddess" apparently
wanted precious blood to spill to force the government to accept the
protesters' huge demand for political change, all of a sudden!
Chai Ling: Speech-Squelching Narcissistic Megalomaniac B*tch!
by Kai Pan, posted in News & Issues
http://cnreviews.com/life/news-issues/chai-ling-speech-squelching-narcissistic-meglomaniac_20090612.html
Yeah, you liked that title, didn't you?
Alright, here's the deal: I've never been very fond of Chai Ling ever
since I learned about her back at Cal. For those who aren't familiar
with her, she was one of the student leaders of the Tiananmen Square
protests 20 years ago, elected as their "Supreme Commander" as it
were. Most people who hate her, probably hate her because of her
appearance on the award-winning documentary "The Gate of Heavenly
Peace" where she arguably came across as a sniveling self-centered,
power-hungry, emotional wreck quoted as secretly desiring bloodshed to
advance her ends:
`The students kept asking, "What should we do next? What can we
accomplish?" I feel so sad, because how can I tell them that what we
are actually hoping for is bloodshed, for the moment when the
government has no choice but to brazenly butcher us. Only when the
Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their
eyes. Only then will they really be united. But how can I explain this
to my fellow students? And what is truly sad is that some students,
and famous well-connected people, are working hard to help the
government, to prevent it from taking such measures. For the sake of
their selfish interests and their private dealings they are trying to
cause our movement to collapse and get us out of the Square before the
government becomes so desperate that it takes action.'
Well, bloodshed happened.
While there's no question that the government military is
predominantly culpable for the use of deadly force, there remains
significant controversy as to what degree student leaders like Chai
Ling may have intentionally kept more people in harm's way when the
prospect of harm was arguably obvious. Dying for a good cause is noble
and everything, but coming across as wishing harm upon your supporters
is a little distasteful. What the students and workers wanted was
laudable, but I'm not so keen about many of the things she did
throughout the demonstrations leading up to the bloody end and
thereafter.
She was kinda cute though.
http://cnreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/chailing-tiananmen-square-1989-2-320x240.jpg
So why am I writing about Chai Ling right now? Danwei kindly linked us
to a June 7th article by Yvonne Abraham in the Boston Globe. In it,
the writer blasts Chai Ling for using the American court system and
frivolous lawsuits to squelch the makers of the aforementioned
documentary, Carma Hinton and Richard Gordon. Actually, to be precise,
Chai Ling is using her successful and wealthy software company,
Jenzabar Inc. to sue the filmmakers' far less financially endowed
non-profit organization, Long Bow Films, with a case even the judge
cautions them as unlikely to win. So far, Chai Ling has burned up over
$70,000 of Long Bow's assets in legal fees just for the latter to
defend themselves against her persecution prosecution.
From the Boston Globe:
`Janzabar sued the filmmakers' company, Long Bow Films, for
defamation - just for directing readers to the articles Chai and
her company say are offensive and inaccurate. A Suffolk Superior
Court judge wisely threw the defamation charge out. The First
Amendment guarantees the people's right to say - and cite - even
things you don't like, after all.
But the case has dragged on because Jenzabar is also contending
that just by using the company's name as a tag on its website, Long
Bow is guilty of trademark infringement'
This issue was also reported by Evan Osnos in The New Yorker and Jane
Macartney in the Times, both earlier in May.
"Tag" apparently refers to a meta tag, a list of keywords hidden in
the HTML code of a webpage that is used to suggest to search engines
how to index that webpage. If you're not familiar with HTML or Search
Engine Optimization, don't worry, because in layman's terms, Chai
basically doesn't want anyone searching for Jenzabar to accidentally
wind up on The Long Bow Group's webpage and, you know, see all this
negative stuff about Chai Ling and Jenzabar.
Chai Ling maintains that "The Gate of Heavenly Peace" took her
comments out of context or translated them incorrectly (the quote at
the top of this post is the translation). Other student leaders have
written to the documentary-makers and have established a website
(blocked in China, naturally) defending her. It's difficult not to
suspect a conflict of interest when it comes between telling what
happened (and what was said/meant) and ensuring that your fans in the
West still think you were a great, peaceful, pro-democratic,
anti-communist, anti-oppression leader of idealistic self-sacrificing
students. Of course, that conflict of interest doesn't necessarily
mean they're engaging in revisionism, it just means we're reduced to a
he-said she-said hearsay sort of thing, with none of us really being
able to determine, with complete certainty, how "misquoted" she was.
Now that I've "defamed" Chai Ling, I do want to acknowledge the fact
that she isn't 100% evil. In fact, she's done many a good thing,
including making something of herself through education and hard
work. In mini-Gates and mini-Buffet fashion, she's even used the
wealth she's built up over the years to recently donate $1 million
dollars (Dr. Evil reference here) as a humanitarian effort to support
the advance of human rights and peaceful democracy in China. I'm all
for that.
That said, I'm still not very fond of what she said before, how she's
behaved with regards to the Tiananmen Square demonstrations, and what
she's doing now.
What do you think? Is Chai Ling a nauseating hypocrite, now seeking to
squelch others' freedom of speech when it says something bad about
herself? Or does she have a legal, lawful, or even moral (you know,
"moral imperatives" and all that) case?
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The Fall of Lady Liberty and Chai Ling's Revenge
Sunday, June 14, 2009
http://insideoutchina.blogspot.com/2009/06/fall-of-lady-liberty-and-chai-lings.html
Years ago when I first saw the documentary "The Gate of Heavenly
Peace" at Boston's Museum of Fine Arts, my impression of Chai Ling was
mixed. From what the former student leader said in her controversial
interview (available in both Chinese and English) with an American
journalist, it was certainly appalling that she expected the deaths of
many fellow students to serve the 1989 movement's purposes. On the
other hand, she looked genuinely grief-stricken by the prospect of
bloodshed, and I couldn't help but feel sympathy toward her as
well. After all, she was only 23 years old, a young woman who had
grown up in China's "revolutionary heroism" culture. In such a
culture, there's nothing out of place with what she expressed, that
only the blood of innocent people can awake and enlighten more
people. It is from a Western perspective that such an idea is simply
unacceptable.
What I'm saying is, more of the blame should be placed on the
revolutionary education she grew up with, rather than her naivety of
believing in it. Who was not once young and naive? I happen to also
think Wang Dan has a point that no matter what Chai Ling had said, she
did stay in the Square with other students until the last minute, and
her action was more important than her words. (For the record, "The
Gate of Heavenly Peace" also truthfully reported this fact.)
Reading excerpts of the newly published Tiananmen Moon (h/t The China
Beat) by Philip Cunningham, the very journalist who interviewed Chai
Ling 20 years ago, made me feel that Chai Ling might have been more
innocent than some have thought. Although her idea of using bloodshed
to arouse people was hardly a moral one, she appeared to be sincere
and serious about the student movement and was indignant toward some
other selfish power-thirsty student leaders. As such, I'd like to
believe the young Chai Ling twenty years ago was a humanly imperfect
idealist, as young activists are. If she sometimes took herself too
importantly, it was largely because of the situation: being young and
the leader of a mass movement can carry anyone away.
Today Chai Ling has become an American businesswoman. She is 43 years
old, certainly no longer naivetyve, and apparently has done well
financially. Now with the wealth she has gained in the democracy of
America, she starts a new fight, only this time her target is not a
totalitarian government but a critical part of democracy: an
independent, nonprofit film maker who dared to express criticism
toward both the Chinese government, and some student leaders, however
slight of the latter.
Whatever legal reasons Chai Ling has been deploying, "defamation" or
"infringing trademark," the drunkard's heart is not in the cup: the
real nature of Chai Ling's lawsuit against Long Bow the firm maker
seems more personal, as many internet articles have pointed out. From
a societal point of view, this lawsuit is a big regression in Chai
Ling's political ideal. From a personal point of view, her motivation
is explicable yet the action is totally unwise.
If it is excusable that Chai Ling didn't have a concrete idea of
democracy when she was leading that democracy movement two decades
ago, shouldn't one expect her to have gained a lot more understanding
now, after living in the West for all these years? Or so I'd thought.
It might be helpful to reflect here on a historical case that bears
some remarkable similarity: the so-called Times v. Sullivan case in
the 1960s, on which the Supreme Court's decision "revolutionized libel
law in America." Here's a description of the case from the US supreme
court media website:
"Decided together with Abernathy v. Sullivan, this case concerns a
full-page ad in the New York Times which alleged that the arrest of
the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. for perjury in Alabama was part of a
campaign to destroy King's efforts to integrate public facilities and
encourage blacks to vote. L. B. Sullivan, the Montgomery city
commissioner, filed a libel action against the newspaper and four
black ministers who were listed as endorsers of the ad, claiming that
the allegations against the Montgomery police defamed him
personally. Under Alabama law, Sullivan did not have to prove that he
had been harmed; and a defense claiming that the ad was truthful was
unavailable since the ad contained factual errors. Sullivan won a
$500,000 judgment."
At the time, the NY Times was having financial problems, and being
charged with this astronomical amount of money put it in the danger of
bankruptcy. The paper appealed to the Supreme Court, and "the Court
believed it was important for the survival of democracy in the United
States that the press be allowed to aggressively report on public
matters without excessive fear of being sued for libel." [1] The
charge was dismissed. Because of the Supreme Court's wise decision,
today we still have the NY Times to read.
Note that this Court decision was made in 1964, and helped establish
the precedence to protect the press from similar liability lawsuits.
Now it is 45 years later. If Chai Ling had any idea about the meaning
of First Amendment, or the meaning of a free press, would she have
sued Long Bow? On the societal level, surely she doesn't wish American
democracy go backward to what it was before 1964? On the personal
level, did she ever worry about others' suspicions of her motives?
In any case, it is certainly another mistake Chai Ling is making,
hurting both others and herself, but this time it can no longer be
explained away by innocence. How on earth could a woman as smart as
she is think she could re-glorify her name through such a lawsuit?
From what I can see, Long Bow's on-line appeal has gained extensive
support from American academics, the English media, and internet
readers (including me), while the appeal written by Chai Ling's
ex-husband in her name collected a few signatures hardly reaching
beyond the circle of old comrades, some of whom managed to be vague.
For example Wang Juntao says in a straddle-the-fence way that he's
friends with both sides and he understands and supports both. Go
figure.
I wonder if Chai Ling really doesn't see the reality that, while she
has succeeded in financially hurting Long Bow, an accompanying
consequence is a further deterioration of her own name. And, does
anyone notice that her language against Long Bow sound awfully
familiar? In 1989, the then-government of China named the student
movement a "counter-revolutionary riot," one of the worst crimes at
the time. Of course, no one (except some soldiers) believed it. Now
Chai Ling calls Long Bow the Communist sympathizer, one of the most
hated names in America. Does she really think people with their own
eyes and minds would buy that accusation? As an example, this is how
the New Yorker commented:
"For the record, to anyone with knowledge of the film, the notion that
it is sympathetic to the Chinese government is laughable. But,
whatever happens with the suit, it's hard to imagine a more acute
measure of how far the student movement has faded into memory."
In this way Chai Ling not only does disservice to herself but also to
the overseas Chinese democracy movement, damage that her
million-dollar pledge won't repair.
But what makes a once brave democracy fighter sink so low as to use
the same means of propaganda she had suffered under to attack her foes
now? I'm really puzzled. This is the final stroke that manages to
erase whatever sympathy I had for her. In the end, her loss might be
bigger than Long Bow's. I'm not talking about money.
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[1] The Evolution of American Investigative Journalism by James L.Aucoin
Posted by Xujun Eberlein at 11:34 AM
19 comments:
Anonymous said...
The tape is important, but it was made by an amateur and should be
seen as such.
For even though Philip Cunningham cares not to correct people when
they give him the credit, he was not then nor has he ever been a
journalist. He was a student who used a HK crew and their video
camera (and someone else's tape recorder) to record an interview
with Ms. Chai. At the time of the taping, he was not employed by
anyone, but neither was he a freelance journalist.
Cunningham was hired and employed as a translator for BBC. He knew
some people who knew Chai and so that is how he got to talk and
tape her. Cunningham is identified frequently as a "journalist"
but he was neither accredited nor filed stories for any news
agency.
Chai's remarks are interesting but Cunningham clearly did not
understand what she was saying and was not interviewing her as a
journalist, only as someone who happened to have access through
other people. If you look at the tape, you will see that he does
not follow-up on her statement about "blood in the streets".
Indeed, Cunningham admits to have participated in one of the
marches and threw stones at soldiers and tanks that made the
assault--something that journalists do not do.
By the way, a careful reader will note that there are many
differences between what is in Cunningham's book and what appeared
on the web. The latter are advertised as excerpts but they are
not.
June 14, 2009 at 10:55 PM
. . .
pug ster said...
There's definately room for debate for Cunningham's role in the
6/4 incident as he as well as Chai Ling's role might not be so
innocent after all. Chai Ling spent alot of money in the LongBow
lawsuit but all she did is just dragging her name and her cause in
the 6/4 incident to the mud.
I think the main problem is that Westerners and Chinese don't see
eye to eye about politics, especially regarding 6/4 incident, and
Chai Ling trying to censor someone is seen as the cause, and not
the solution.
June 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Shane said...
"If it is excusable that Chai Ling didn't have a concrete idea of
democracy when she was leading that democracy movement two decades
ago"
Remarks like the above are quite popular in the West. How it is
possible to label a popular student rebellion as "pro-democracy"
movement when the few leading figures have no idea of what
democracy look like? It is still appall today to see these
students were allowed to engineer a server event that almost
turned China, a huge nation, upside-down in a short one-month
period of time.
In the end, it is the political zealot that drive some people to
throw their unconditioned support behind the event. The lack of
critical reasoning also undermines such very effort.
June 15, 2009 at 5:16 PM
. . .
pug ster said...
I don't see how Chai Ling and other dissidents represent an
average Chinese person when she, Wang Dan, Wu'er Kaixi and Li Lu
are Ivy League educated elites. If they want to see their cause as
righteous, they should reject Western Education ideals and fight
democracy as a grass roots campagain, and not from a western
educated and financed campagain. That's why she and the other
dissidents are not taken seriously.
June 15, 2009 at 11:46 PM
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Tiananmen Activist... Turned Entrepreneur... Turned User Of Trademark
To Stifle Free Speech
http://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=chai+ling
from the free-speech-for-me,-but-not-for-thee dept
Paul Alan Levy alerts us to yet another shameful case of someone
abusing trademark law to try to silence critics. In this case, it
involves the software company Jenzabar, which makes software for
colleges and universities, and apparently likes to play up the fact
that its founder and CEO, Ling Chai, was one of the "leaders" of the
Tiananmen Square uprising in 1989, before fleeing to America.
Apparently Chai likes to play up that connection for PR purposes, and
has been able to get the press to cover Jenzabar with headlines like
"From Tiananmen Leader to Netrepreneur" and "From Starting a
Revolution to Starting a Company.
However, when the makers of a documentary film about the uprising at
Tiananmen Square included some comments and links to articles that
were critical of Chai, she went legal. It started with a lawsuit
claiming defamation against the film makers, which got quickly tossed
out. So, instead, Chai and Jenzabar appear to be trying to use
trademark law to bankrupt the filmmakers. They've filed a trademark
lawsuit, claiming that the filmmakers' web page, that talks about Chia
and Jenzabar, violates its trademarks, noting that the page turns up
in search results on Jenzabar and the term is in the metatags.
Pretty much everyone involved recognizes that this is a ridiculous
abuse of trademark law to stifle free speech. There is no violation of
trademark here. Posting links to stories about Chai and Jenzabar that
are critical of her is not a trademark violation in any manner. Using
the term in metatags is totally meaningless. It's a shame that someone
who apparently once stood as a voice for freedom is now trying to
stifle free speech in others via trademark law abuse.
-----
Entrepreneurs
Great Story, Bad Business
Daniel Lyons, 02.17.03
http://www.forbes.com/work/free_forbes/2003/0217/114.html
Chai Ling has spent years trying to cash in on her heroism at
Tiananmen Square. But so far her Web company has brought in little
money and lots of lousy karma. Chai Ling would like total control
over her biography. In her version, she risks her life leading student
protests in Tiananmen Square in 1989, escapes China stowed in a crate
and is twice nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Then she moves to
America and marries a millionaire venture capitalist who bankrolls her
promising Internet startup. Alas, the market crashes before the
company can go public, and it is unfairly besieged by lawsuits from
former executives, one of whom alleges that Chai and her husband have
misled investors and cheated the IRS.
"You're not going to write about that, are you?" Chai says, when asked
about the suits. "Do you really have to mention those things?" Chai's
seeming naivete' is a little out of character. She has frequently
scored points in the press by recalling her glory days as onetime
"commander-in-chief" of rebel students in Beijing.
Chai left China via Hong Kong in 1990 and arrived that year in the
U.S., where she enrolled at Princeton. In 1993, after earning a
master's degree in public affairs, she landed a job at Bain & Co., the
consultancy, and began dating one of the firm's partners, Robert
A. Maginn Jr. Chai received an M.B.A. from Harvard in 1998, the same
year she launched Cambridge, Mass.-based Jenzabar ("best and
brightest" in Mandarin) with angel funding from Maginn plus two heavy
hitters: Paul B. Fireman, the chairman of Reebok International (nyse:
RBK - news - people ), and Stephen Perlman, who cofounded WebTV and
sold it to Microsoft. Jenzabar's mission was to develop Internet-based
portals that college students could use to register for courses and
check homework assignments. By early 2000 a few colleges were testing
its software, but nobody was paying for it.
So Maginn, 46, and Chai, 36, who were engaged in 1997 and married in
2001, cooked up a new plan in which Jenzabar would gain customers by
acquiring them. In April 2000 Maginn quit his job at Bain and joined
Jenzabar, raising $40 million from investors, including his own New
Media Investors. Jenzabar bought four barely profitable companies that
made administrative software for colleges. Yoking them to Jenzabar's
portal, Chai reckoned she could offer a single vehicle to handle all
aspects of campus life.
As the market for Internet companies imploded, managers of the four
acquired outfits bickered over which products would survive. "We had a
lot of upheaval,"says Chai.
Nothing compared with what happened next. John Pierce, former owner of
one company, Cars Information Systems, sued Jenzabar, claiming it had
withheld part of his purchase price. (The dispute was settled in
arbitration, and Chai says the resolution went in Jenzabar's favor.)
Mahendran Jawaharlal, Cars' former president, sued, claiming Jenzabar
breached his separation agreement. Dwight Wyse and his son, Derek, who
owned yet another acquired company, Computer Management & Development
Services, alleged in a suit that Jenzabar had failed to repay them for
sums owed on promissory notes; their suit was in response to a
complaint by Jenzabar that claimed Dwight Wyse had leaked confidential
information to Jenzabar's rivals. Alan Frishman, former senior vice
president of operations at Jenzabar, sued, claiming the company had
denied him severance compensation after firing him in 2000. (The case
was settled last November.)
The most sensational charges come from Joseph DiLorenzo, Jenzabar's
former chief financial officer, who claims in a lawsuit that Chai and
Maginn fired him in March 2002 because he refused to assist them in
"certain unethical, inappropriate, and/or illegal actions."
DiLorenzo's complaint alleges Chai and Maginn misappropriated software
from other companies, set up sham partnerships, sent out inaccurate
press releases and earnings reports, and retroactively changed IRS
filings to escape personal tax liabilities. DiLorenzo's suit also
accuses Chai and Maginn of "self-dealing"and "commingling funds."
Chai says DiLorenzo's suit is without merit. DiLorenzo, she claims,
simply could not do his job and now is suing because he's bitter. She
says his allegations are just a ploy to shake a settlement out of the
company.
DiLorenzo won't discuss his complaint, and his lawyer would not
explain the allegations about "sham partnerships" because the case is
in the discovery process. Maginn says Jenzabar made its four-way
acquisition using subsidiaries, a routine strategy that keeps sellers
from getting nailed with the tax burden on illiquid Jenzabar shares;
by selling to a subsidiary, rather than to Jenzabar, sellers could
delay paying taxes on any gains.
The lawsuits are only part of the turmoil at Jenzabar. Last year it
sold off two companies it had recently acquired--Student-City.com, an
online travel agent that books spring-break trips for college kids,
and Progressive Solutions, which offers computer training. While
barely profitable, StudentCity added $26 million in sales, allowing
Jenzabar to boast in an August 2001 press release that its sales in
the first half of the year had grown 88% to $46.7 million. (Today, no
longer counting sales from those subsidiaries, Jenzabar says revenues
for the full year in 2001 were $42 million, growing to $50 million in
2002.) And then there's the hassle with a key investor, Pegasus
Capital Advisors, which in 2000 lent Jenzabar $25 million in the form
of convertible debt and now wants out, Maginn says. He and Chai have
tried--without luck--to find an investor to buy out Pegasus.
Where does this leave Jenzabar? Depends on whom you ask. "It's been a
little chaotic," says Chai. "But 2002 was our turnaround year. In 2003
we have our house in order and will start to grow and take market
share." Perhaps. But nabbing new clients isn't easy in the $2.7
billion market for higher-ed software, which is growing at only 2.7%
annually, reports IDC. It's especially tough given larger competitors
like SCT (nasdaq: SCTC - news - people ) (2002 fiscal sales: $238
million), whose educational software is used at half of all
U.S. colleges with more than 2,000 students, and PeopleSoft (nasdaq:
PSFT - news - people ), a $1.9 billion (sales) firm.
Maginn seems to see a different horizon. Recently he and Chai hired an
investment bank, a move that prompted rumors of a sale. "If a giant
company were to come along and make a great offer," he says, "we would
consider it." In 2000, Chai says, investment bankers told her that
Jenzabar could be worth $1 billion in a public offering. In those days
a good story could go a long way. Today it might get you just enough
money to pay off your debts.
-----
May 7, 2009
The American Dream: The Lawsuit
Posted by Evan Osnos
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/evanosnos/2009/05/the-american-dream-the-lawsuit.html
Approaching the twentieth anniversary of the crackdown at Tiananmen
Square, on June 4th, the fate of those one-time student leaders never
ceases to amaze. I recently wrote about the campus radical turned
hedge-fund manager Li Lu, whose latest incarnation has been as a
financial advisor linking Warren Buffett to the Chinese
electric-battery producer, BYD, in the race to produce an electric
vehicle. Now comes word that Chai Ling, the student leader who
appeared on television screens around the world as the picture of
fragile, furious idealism, is now suing the makers of an award-winning
documentary about the Tiananmen Square demonstrations. "Gate of
Heavenly Peace," directed by the filmmakers Richard Gordon and Carma
Hinton, is considered, by China scholars, to be a major work on the
subject of the demonstrations. But it has been criticized by both the
Chinese government and student leaders, neither of which come out
looking especially good.
. . .
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