Re: The Collapse Of Complex Societies

[#BeamMeUpScotty]

On 07/01/2017 11:15 AM, Werner wrote:
> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-30/joseph-tainter-collapse-complex-societies
>
[""""""""Dr. Tainter sees many of the same unsustainable risks the
PeakProsperity.com audience focuses on -- an overleveraged economy,
declining net energy per capita, and depleting key resources.

He argues that the sustainability or collapse of a society follows from
the success or failure of its problem-solving institutions. His work
shows that societies collapse when their investments in social
complexity and their energy subsidies reach a point of diminishing
marginal returns.""""""""""""]


This fits with the idea that Feminism is costing society more and more
and returning less and less. When we see that men have no reason to go
out and earn and work hard, we can also see that they are NOT going to
go out and work when they get nothing for it.

This is the lie about Feminism, that it creates wealth, when in fact it
does the opposite and wealth is consumed and that's why feminism is NOT
a reality in poor nations and it has to be subsidized.

More complex costs more to maintain..... Like a nuclear plant as
opposed to a coal plant.

Yes we are making life more complicated than it needs to be and that
wastes money and energy.

The laws of diminishing returns have hit in social and economic terms.
Slavery and marriage are no longer economic but are moral issued and
that costs us money. the question is how long can we continue to run a
deficit and defend that moral high ground.

If Liberals were honest they'd be slowing their pace of $15.00/hr
minimum wage demands and Gay rights and Feminism since they are
expensive to maintain moral issues that have more costs than returns.

Wiping out poverty is a dystopian goal, it will collapse the society
that dedicates itself to that cause above self preservation.

*Liberalism is unsustainable, self destructive and contradicting*



--
That's Karma

[Byker]

"#BeamMeUpScotty" wrote in message news:xNS5B.133599$np2....@fx06.iad...

>
> [""""""""Dr. Tainter sees many of the same unsustainable risks the
> PeakProsperity.com audience focuses on -- an overleveraged economy,
> declining net energy per capita, and depleting key resources.
>
> He argues that the sustainability or collapse of a society follows from
> the success or failure of its problem-solving institutions. His work shows
> that societies collapse when their investments in social complexity and
> their energy subsidies reach a point of diminishing marginal
> returns.""""""""""""]

There are many other reasons why empires begin their long death spiral, just
when they seem to be at their peaks.

Sir John Glubb estimated that most empires do not last longer than roughly
250 years, with many of them lasting much shorter periods of time. He
describes many of the stages of empire, and many of the reasons why they
break down and eventually disappear.

One of the reasons for decline of empire described by Glubb is the influx of
masses of people from outside cultures, religions, and ethnic groups, who
are different from the core populations making up the founders and
conquering peoples who brought about the original empire.

http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

Sound familiar?

[Rick Johnson]

A good read.

However, the lesson here is not so much how to avoid the
collapse of an empire, but to realize that collapse of all
empires is inevitable. The point is that each empire
contributes to our collective human social evolution in a
unique way, and without a diversity of contributions, we
would be trapped in a perpetual stasis.

For us humans, the natural tendency is to cling to the old
traditions and bask in the warm fuzzies of familiarity, but
thankfully, for the sake of progress, our universe will not
tolerate this selfish clinging, and will smash our nostalgia
with an iron fist of vengeance, an action which, either
results in our death, our springs forth from within us an
emotional energy that can level mountains.

Therefore, war is neither good nor evil, it is merely a
means by which emotional energy is harnessed, channeled and
focused to achieve an ends. All of what we experience -- the
hardships, the horrors, the happiness and even the druggery
-- is nothing more than the universe tapping the our endless
fields of emotional energy for the sake of improving the
entire system.

But one should not assume that a division exists between us
and the universe we inhabit, for we are the universe and the
universe is _us_. And although our individual, and even
collective contributions may be small, even infinitesimal
small, these contributions are nonetheless measurable on a
graduated scale.

[wakal...@yahoo.com.sg]

Empires can collapse, but the civilization would, hooefully, endure.

Wakalukong

[Rick Johnson]

On Sunday, July 2, 2017 at 1:27:07 AM UTC-5, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> Empires can collapse, but the civilization would, hooefully, endure.

Human civilization is not immortal, you know. Even if we
manage to avoid the death trap that is this Earth, and even
*IF* we manage to free ourselves from these weak fleshbag
bodies so that we may exist in enviroments that are
uninhabitable to biological lifeforms, we would still be
limited by the lifetime of our universe. Granted, the
lifetime of the universe, on a human scale, might as well be
infinity, but it is most likely bound by time. And who's to
know what mysteries we are completely oblivious of beyond
the confines of the known universe. Perhaps there forces
outside of our universe that threaten it's very existence --
and we may never be aware of these forces.

Pessimistic as it may sound, my view is that we probably
won't establish enough sustainable colonies in space before
something cataclysmic happens here on Earth -- be it a
nuclear exchange; a space rock; a global pandemic; or
whatever malady may befall us (Murphy, here's looking at you
kid!) -- the chances of survival are slim and, well, almost
none. But, considering all the shit we've endured up to this
point, maybe we could do it...? So i wouldn't underestimate
the human spirit.

However, now that NASA has been gutted by the most
treasonist president in the history of the USA, and the
current president seems more concerned with reigniting the
ridiculous war on drugs than safeguarding the future of our
species, the initive to foster technology that will build
and sustain colonies had died with it.

Sure, the Russians and the Chinese have a space program, but
it seems the Rooskies are more interested in hacking our
elections and stirring up trouble in the middle east than
building space colonies. And as for the chinese, ghost
cities and man-made military islands are the all rage these
days it seems.

The last great visionary president of the modern age was
JFK. Since then, it's been nothing but short-sighted
rednecks, nymphomaniac hill- billys, and outright marxist.

MAKES YOU PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN... EH?

Fuck! When has anyone even given a great speech since JFK?.
Sure, Obama had impressive speaking skillz, but his politics
were so one sided, that he failed to unify the country in
the way JFK did.

But i digress...

[returning to existentialism]

One thing is for sure though, if these damned islamo fascist
rebels win the terror wars, there will be no hope for the
future of homo sapiens. They will cast us all back into the
bronze age, burn all the books, execute the intelligentsia,
and seal our collective fates. It might seem impossible that
such a rag-tag band of throw backs could defeat the modern
armies of the west, however, if read our history books, we
shall be presented with example after example of barbarians
overtaking the most advanced civilizations of antiquity.
Civilizations who had grown fat and lazy on the fruits of
their own success and excess.

"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society"

Aristotle knew all to well the warning signs that mark the
beginning of the end for established societies. In fact,
there is not much in the west we won't tolerate anymore: we
tolerate foreign invaders pouring across our borders; we
tolerate 2nd generation progeny, brainwashed by 1st
generation america haters, to shoot-up, mow-down, and blow-
up whatever their pet delusion finds offensive; but most of
all, we tolerate saboteurs who speak openly about the
destruction of every value we hold sacred, namely those
values enshrined into the constitution, saboteurs who, have
infected every institution of our society.