Leo Tolstoy was a Muslim
Jarmo Ryyti
ideas. Leo Tolstoy,a famous Russian author, was excommunicated
by the Russian church because he opposed Zhar's Great-Russian policy
which was supported actively by the Church of Russia.
Leo Tolstoy was harmful for the Church of Russia and for the Russian
Imperium because he was famous. In spite of that he was excommuniceted.
Thus in every divine service the Russian priests cursed him to
the deepest hell. The Church of Russia even let to build speacial
pulpits in the Catedral of Kazan and in the Church of Isac in
StPetersburg where the priests could curse him to the hell.
When the Russian greek-orthodox church excommunicated
Leo Tolstoy he converted into Islam faith.
It is worth to notice,even today the year 1995, the Church
of Russia has not repealed the excommunication of Leo Tolstoy.
It was not either a coinsidence that a famous Finnish-Russian
painter Ilya Repin and Leo Tolstoy were close friends.
Both were friends of Finland's independence and for the
freedom of nations.
Today,the Church of Russia is supporting Moscowian policy
in Chechenya. The Church of Russia has not changed a bit
during centuries in that respect.
regards,
jarmo
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Zhenja Barsukov
>Leo Tolstoy he converted into Islam faith.
Is it your opinion or there is some real evidence of it?
For example where and when exactly he converted, who can
confirm it, such stuff...
Just wondering- I never heard of ot before.
--------------------------Zhenja-->ev...@pcserv1.phc.uni-kiel.de
Jarmo Ryyti
It is known when Leo Tolstoy was excommunicated and he converted
into Islam, Zhar and the Church of Russia banned all information
about it to the people.
If you visit The Church of Isac in StPete the guide will explain
to you the purpose of the extra pulpit there in the church.
It was built only to serve one purpose: to declare in public
that Leo Tolstoy was/is excommunicated by the Church.
Namely, the greek-orthodox priests preached that Tolstoy is
"anti-christ" because he was opposing the official policy
of the Church of Russia whose aim was to expand together
with Russian Imperium to every possible direction previous
century.
Leo Tolstoy critisized such policy strong and therefore
he was excommunicated by the Church of Russia.
For Finland, Tolstoy was an important person because he
supported the independence of Finland unlike Russian
Imperium and the Church of Russia who saw the state of
Russia serving its interests in Finland.
It is no coinsidence that the train which is in traffic between
Finland and StPete is named after Leo Tolstoy:-)
There is a sculptor in present day Finland Mr. Heikki W. Virolainen
who in his exhibitions demands the Church of Russia to repeal
the excommunication of Leo Tolstoy.
Even Finland's Greek Orthodox church has find him unpleasent
when he reminds the error the Orthodox church has made once.
The Church of Russia could correct its error when it excommunicated
Leo Tolstoy,but it cannot,because Russia and the Church of Russia
is in a similar situation today as 100+ years ago: fighting
against the independence of smaller nations within Russia's
imperium. Thus the Church of Russia had to admit that Tolstoy once
by critizising Russian Imperium and the Church of Russia
for their policy was correct. That is why the Church of Russia
cannot repeal the excommunication of Tolstoy. They are again
supporting Russia's actions against the interests of smaller
nations as allways.
Mikhail Teterin
residing at ry...@tukki.cc.jyu.fi wrote:
|Today,the Church of Russia is supporting Moscowian policy
|in Chechenya. The Church of Russia has not changed a bit
|during centuries in that respect.
Apparently, the mentioned feature of the Orthodox Church is one of
the main reasons it was chosen by Yaroslav Mudryj as a Kiev Russ
church. It is following and supporting the state...
-mi
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Eugene *fraer*
newgroups both Jarmo Ryyti and Mikhail Teterin should open
at list a text book or an encyclopedia.
Tolstoy was devoted Christian all his life (also he indeed
was excommunicated from orthodox church).
The Eastern kind of Christianity was chosen for the
Russians not by Yaroslav, but long before him by Vladimir
the Saint. The choice has nothing to do with features of
Eastern Christianity as such (the Western kind of
Christianity at that time was no less submissive to the
state), but rather it was a political choice of alliance
with the Bythantian and not with Germans (Western
Christianity), Khazars (Judaism), or Arabs (Islam).
Eugene Z
Mikhail Semenov
: Before showing their ignorance to the readers of the 6
: at list a text book or an encyclopedia.
Relax, Eugene, they've shown nothing new this time. Almost every
post such a show. But, maybe, they follow your advice this time?
Misha
: Tolstoy was devoted Christian all his life (also he indeed
H. M. Hubey
>Is it your opinion or there is some real evidence of it?
>For example where and when exactly he converted, who can
He converted around the same time as your paternal
side converted to Christianity and became Russian, Mr. Porsuk.
I guess you don't know what Porsuk/Barsuk means.
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Eugene *fraer*
>Some time ago (7 Aug 1995 14:49:19 GMT) honorable Eugene *fraer*,
<....>
>I insist, that I've never posted a word about Tolstoy's
>religion, and would like to receive Eugene's aknowledgment.
I aknowledge this fact.
>| The Eastern kind of Christianity was chosen for the
>|Russians not by Yaroslav, but long before him by Vladimir
>|the Saint. The choice has nothing to do with features of
>|Eastern Christianity as such (the Western kind of
>|Christianity at that time was no less submissive to the
>|state), but rather it was a political choice of alliance
>|with the Bythantian and not with Germans (Western
>|Christianity), Khazars (Judaism), or Arabs (Islam).
>
>I do not know about Tolstoy's religion, and can not judge
>Jarmo's ignorance. Where do I show mine remains a mis-
>tery (for me, at least).
Your show it in your statement that "the Orthodox Church ... was chosen
by Yaroslav Mudryj as a Kiev Russ church", while even primary school
childred (in Russia at list) know that it was done by Vladimir.
Eugene Z
B.COPOKIH
>Apparently, the mentioned feature of the Orthodox Church is one of
>the main reasons it was chosen by Yaroslav Mudryj as a Kiev Russ
>church. It is following and supporting the state...
So, this is what you told in American embassy while
begging to give you the status of political refugee from Ukraine?
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B.COPOKIH
vso...@mik.uky.edu
Mikhail Teterin
residing at eug...@mit.edu pointed to me, that it was Vladimir,
not Yaroslav, who picked the church for Russ.
Eugene is write. I forgot it.
Zhenja Barsukov
>: Is it your opinion or there is some real evidence of it?
>: For example where and when exactly he converted, who can
>: Just wondering- I never heard of ot before.
>: --------------------------Zhenja-->ev...@pcserv1.phc.uni-kiel.de
>
>It is known when Leo Tolstoy was excommunicated and he converted
>into Islam, Zhar and the Church of Russia banned all information
>about it to the people.
Thanks for the interesting information but I still can't see any
evidence about converting into Islam. Being excommunicated by russian
Church (this fact is well known, by the way) doesn't automaticaly mean
converting to muslim, does it?
Nothing against Islam though.
Good luck!
--------------------------Zhenja-->ev...@pcserv1.phc.uni-kiel.de
Mikhail Teterin
| Before showing their ignorance to the readers of the 6
|newgroups both Jarmo Ryyti and Mikhail Teterin should open
|at list a text book or an encyclopedia.
|was excommunicated from orthodox church).
I insist, that I've never posted a word about Tolstoy's
religion, and would like to receive Eugene's aknowledgment.
| The Eastern kind of Christianity was chosen for the
|Russians not by Yaroslav, but long before him by Vladimir
|the Saint. The choice has nothing to do with features of
|Eastern Christianity as such (the Western kind of
|Christianity at that time was no less submissive to the
|state), but rather it was a political choice of alliance
|with the Bythantian and not with Germans (Western
|Christianity), Khazars (Judaism), or Arabs (Islam).
I've never said, that submissiveness (?) of Orthodox
church was the ONLY reason. What Eugene listed are
OTHER important reasons. "The Western kind of Christi-
anity" (Catholic church) was less submissive, at
least ideologicaly.
I do not know about Tolstoy's religion, and can not judge
Jarmo's ignorance. Where do I show mine remains a mis-
tery (for me, at least).
Simcha Streltsov
: the Saint. The choice has nothing to do with features of
: Eastern Christianity as such (the Western kind of
: Christianity at that time was no less submissive to the
: state), but rather it was a political choice of alliance
: with the Bythantian and not with Germans (Western
: Christianity), Khazars (Judaism), or Arabs (Islam).
(s.c.baltics trimmed as usual - I am the biggest defender
of Balts, but tey do not now about it (_:).
THis is probably true - and, AFAIU -
a political alliance of state and church
that exist(ed) in Russia was developed fully
in Russia, although maybe certain features were taken from
Greek Xianity) -
was it in the 16-cent? when Greek Patriarch was unhappy
that Moscow church stopped paying him, and praying for him,
and began mentioning Russian Czar -
my knowledge on the subject is pure hearsay, so -
please enlighten me.
Simcha Streltsov, _Former_ Adar Rabbi of S.C.Soviet
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please, only Kosher lePesach homentashen
all others will be returned unopened.
p.s. This sig expired, but nobody have sent me real
homentashen anyway
Alexey V. Andreyev
: Before showing their ignorance to the readers of the 6
: newgroups both Jarmo Ryyti and Mikhail Teterin should open
: at list a text book or an encyclopedia.
: Tolstoy was devoted Christian all his life (also he indeed
: was excommunicated from orthodox church).
: Eastern Christianity as such (the Western kind of
: Christianity at that time was no less submissive to the
: state), but rather it was a political choice of alliance
: with the Bythantian and not with Germans (Western
: Christianity), Khazars (Judaism), or Arabs (Islam).
: Eugene Z
Great, Zhenya!
I'll just add two points:
1) Tolstoy indeed was Christian, but as any clever and philosophically
thinking man, he saw some "flaws" in rigid Orthodox dogmatics, so he
eventually became a heretic, who created his own philosophical system,
collecting some good features from different systems and religions
(and at this point, he *was interested* in some Eastern schools, but he
wasn't Muslim as he wasn't buddist, either).
2) The criteria Vladimir used picking up the religion for Russia was probably
political, ideed. But there is also an interesting idea that he picked up
*the most beautiful* religion at that time.
Arts and architecture are still not separated from believes themself in
Orthodox Christianity (unlike in some other, especially modern, religions).
3) Dear Finns, never listen to guides in such places where you said you've
heard that silly story about Tolstoy. You'd better look around silently in
such places - it'll really enlighten you a bit.
I'm neither Christ
nor Communist,
I'm just a harmful zen-buddist.
o
<^> A.
|\
Pavel Ivanov
>
>The Church of Russia has always disliked those who oppose Great-Russian
>ideas. Leo Tolstoy,a famous Russian author, was excommunicated
>by the Russian church because he opposed Zhar's Great-Russian policy
Leo Tolstoy was excommunicated by Russian Church because he wrote his
own version of Bible
>It was not either a coinsidence that a famous Finnish-Russian
>painter Ilya Repin and Leo Tolstoy were close friends.
>Both were friends of Finland's independence and for the
>freedom of nations.
Yup-yup Leo Tolstoy in fact was also famous Finnish writer and his
'War and Peace' was not based on the story about Napoleon's invasion to
Russia, but about Swedish occupation of Great Finland
>regards,
>jarmo
We know that you provocating us ;)
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unIslamic faith. "The Death of Ivan Ilyich" is precisely the story of a
man who learns (albeit from a man very close to nature) to submit ("islam"
means "surrender") to the will of God (or kismet, as you may prefer).
Very different from the underlying spirituality of _Anna Karenina_ (an
earlier opus) or _War and Peace_ (earlier still, and even more different).
Bob Schoenberg
Jarmo Ryyti
: >: Is it your opinion or there is some real evidence of it?
I am not against Islam either. My source writes, a Finnish newspaper
Keskisuomalainen 6.8.1995 that once the Church of Russia excommunicated
Leo Tolstoy he converted into Islam.
The article does not tell the time or date.
The article is connected to a Finnish sculptor Heikki Virolainen
who runs a campaign that Leo Tolstoy excommunication was repealed.
Even the Orthodox Church of Finland finds his campaign embarrashing.
In my opinion, the question is sensitive for the present Church
of Russia,too,because Leo Tolstoy protested its and Russia's
imperialistic policy. So by repealing the excommunication
they had to admit that Leo Tolstoy was and is right.
with best regards,
Igor Chudov @ home
* m...@cs.bu.edu (Mikhail Teterin) wrote:
* >Apparently, the mentioned feature of the Orthodox Church is one of
* >the main reasons it was chosen by Yaroslav Mudryj as a Kiev Russ
* >church. It is following and supporting the state...
* So, this is what you told in American embassy while
* begging to give you the status of political refugee from Ukraine?
That's pretty stupid. How one is related to another?
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Igor Chudov @ home <ich...@galstar.com> wrote:
>B.COPOKIH (vso...@mik.uky.edu) wrote:
>* >Apparently, the mentioned feature of the Orthodox Church is one of
>* >the main reasons it was chosen by Yaroslav Mudryj as a Kiev Russ
>* >church. It is following and supporting the state...
>* So, this is what you told in American embassy while
>* begging to give you the status of political refugee from Ukraine?
>That's pretty stupid. How one is related to another?
A fairly obvious chain of synaptic transmittions.
Here's the interpretation: according to Copokih, Teterin
not only lied at the American embassy to gain admission to
the States under false pretense, but is also incapable of
making a mistake or being under/mis-informed, instead only
willful misrepresentaion of facts and distortion of reality are
his traits. I'd say, Sorokin has finally gotten to his
destination, and he gave us all ample warning beforehand.
He also forgot to include the emoticon,
standing for a wide cretinous grin.
Now, Ivan Covdy is officially allowed to have a fit at my expense.
> - Igor. SCS&R Yellow Pages: http://www.galstar.com/~ichudov/index.html
Sasha
B.COPOKIH
>B.COPOKIH (vso...@mik.uky.edu) wrote:
>* m...@cs.bu.edu (Mikhail Teterin) wrote:
>* >Apparently, the mentioned feature of the Orthodox Church is one of
>* >the main reasons it was chosen by Yaroslav Mudryj as a Kiev Russ
>* >church. It is following and supporting the state...
>* So, this is what you told in American embassy while
>* begging to give you the status of political refugee from Ukraine?
>That's pretty stupid. How one is related to another?
Perhaps... But maybe Teterin or you, Chudov, can clear this
topic so that there is no more place for guessing.
Igor Chudov @ home
* ich...@star89.galstar.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes:
* >B.COPOKIH (vso...@mik.uky.edu) wrote:
* >* m...@cs.bu.edu (Mikhail Teterin) wrote:
* >* >Apparently, the mentioned feature of the Orthodox Church is one of
* >* >the main reasons it was chosen by Yaroslav Mudryj as a Kiev Russ
* >* >church. It is following and supporting the state...
* >* So, this is what you told in American embassy while
* >* begging to give you the status of political refugee from Ukraine?
* >That's pretty stupid. How one is related to another?
* Perhaps... But maybe Teterin or you, Chudov, can clear this
* topic so that there is no more place for guessing.
Wasn't it Volodimir who chose Christian Religion for Russia? Also,
hostilities between Eastern and Western clergies started _after_
Volodimir adopted Christianity. Is that correct?
Then, it's not a question why Volodimir chose Christianity - at that
time the biggest threat to Russia was from non-Christian peoples, so a
different religion cound maintain the national identity better.
Then, it's natural that he elected not to be influenced by Popes - why
the fuck anyone needs to be influenced? Russia was in a different
situation than Western Europe. In Western Europe they had religion
before their kingdoms were shaped and also had very unstable states,
with constant conquests. Since religion, unlike statehood, was there for long
time and was essentially the same, it could play a bigger role and
unify them under popes. When their borders stabilized several
centuries later, they naturally rejected papal dominance.
Rus' was already a state before they adopted Christianity, so they could
start from scratch and did not need and could oppose papal dominance.
Later, when it became more unstable and separated to many kingdoms,
religion played the same unifying role as in Western Europe.
What do you think?
But how it is related to Teterin and his interview is still a puzzle to me.
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B.COPOKIH
> >* >Apparently, the mentioned feature of the Orthodox Church is one of
> >* >the main reasons it was chosen by Yaroslav Mudryj as a Kiev Russ
> >* >church. It is following and supporting the state...
> >* So, this is what you told in American embassy while
> >* begging to give you the status of political refugee from Ukraine?
> >That's pretty stupid. How one is related to another?
> A fairly obvious chain of synaptic transmittions.
> Here's the interpretation: according to Copokih, Teterin
> not only lied at the American embassy to gain admission to
> the States under false pretense, but is also incapable of
> making a mistake or being under/mis-informed, instead only
> willful misrepresentaion of facts and distortion of reality are
> his traits. I'd say, Sorokin has finally gotten to his
> destination, and he gave us all ample warning beforehand.
So, you mean that Teterin is a Jew? How could you draw
THIS conclusion from what I wrote?
> He also forgot to include the emoticon,
> standing for a wide cretinous grin.
Now, if I reply in kind to Sasha Katz, someone would
tell me that Sasha is a Jew too and so, would congratutale
me on my successful graduation.
> Now, Ivan Covdy is officially allowed to have a fit at my expense.
Now, what is this supposed to mean?
Ivan Covdy is respected member of s.c.r. and I ask to leave him
alone by Sasha and other s.c.s. company.
F. Tereshchenko
>Great, Zhenya!
>
>I'll just add two points:
>
>1) Tolstoy indeed was Christian, but as any clever and philosophically
>thinking man, he saw some "flaws" in rigid Orthodox dogmatics, so he
>eventually became a heretic, who created his own philosophical system,
>collecting some good features from different systems and religions
>(and at this point, he *was interested* in some Eastern schools, but he
>wasn't Muslim as he wasn't buddist, either).
>
Well, literally Tolstoy was a heretic, but he was not a Christian.
To be Christian means a little more then just being baptized in childhood.
In some of his letters he revealed a point of view that Christ was not
crucified and resurrected, but was just some kind of "nice man with good
moral" whose actions we should try to mimic. I cannot quote it more
exactly, but these ln(Tolstoy)'s opinions were widely published. He was
anathematized because of extreme harm of these "theological" ideas for
Russian society and Orthodox Church.
Mikhail Teterin
residing at vso...@mik.uky.edu wrote:
| So, this is what you told in American embassy while
| begging to give you the status of political refugee from Ukraine?
The noise around this made me go thru posts filtered by kill-file ...
No, I (and my parents) had more serious reasons, then 1000 years old
Ukrainian events.
-mi
RUSSKIJ, Victor Nikitan
>From: ry...@tukki.cc.jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
>Subject: Leo Tolstoy was a Muslim
>Date: 7 Aug 1995 09:14:48 +0300
>The Church of Russia has always disliked those who oppose Great-Russian
>ideas.
>Leo Tolstoy was harmful for the Church of Russia and for the Russian
>Imperium because he was famous. In spite of that he was excommuniceted.
>
>It is worth to notice,even today the year 1995, the Church
>of Russia has not repealed the excommunication of Leo Tolstoy.
>
>Today,the Church of Russia is supporting Moscowian policy
>in Chechenya. The Church of Russia has not changed a bit
>during centuries in that respect.
Religiia - opium dlia naroda
>
B.COPOKIH
> Some time ago (7 Aug 1995 21:18:10 GMT) honorable B.COPOKIH,
> residing at vso...@mik.uky.edu wrote:
> | So, this is what you told in American embassy while
> | begging to give you the status of political refugee from Ukraine?
> The noise around this made me go thru posts filtered by kill-file ...
> No, I (and my parents) had more serious reasons, then 1000 years old
> Ukrainian events.
1000 years old Ukrainian events. Teterin, ty v svojem ume?
Simcha Streltsov
: >
: >Today,the Church of Russia is supporting Moscowian policy
: >in Chechenya. The Church of Russia has not changed a bit
: >during centuries in that respect.
: Religiia - opium dlia naroda
for purists, this is a popular misquote.
the original is: "opium naroda",
("opiate of people", not "opiate for people").
Who knows, btw, where the _mis_quote originates?!
p.s. and, of course, there is a logical folly
jumping from the fact on Church of Russia to any
onject that is larger than it, be it religion,
Xianity, or Orthodox Xianity)
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Islam means "surrender?" That's ridiculous. As far as I know, it means
"peace" not "surrender."
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: m...@cs.bu.edu (Mikhail Teterin) wrote:
: >Some time ago (7 Aug 1995 14:49:19 GMT) honorable Eugene *fraer*,
: <....>
: >I insist, that I've never posted a word about Tolstoy's
: >religion, and would like to receive Eugene's aknowledgment.
: I aknowledge this fact.
: >| The Eastern kind of Christianity was chosen for the
: >|Russians not by Yaroslav, but long before him by Vladimir
: >|the Saint. The choice has nothing to do with features of
: >|Eastern Christianity as such (the Western kind of
: >|Christianity at that time was no less submissive to the
: >|state), but rather it was a political choice of alliance
: >|with the Bythantian and not with Germans (Western
: >|Christianity), Khazars (Judaism), or Arabs (Islam).
: >
: >I do not know about Tolstoy's religion, and can not judge
: >Jarmo's ignorance. Where do I show mine remains a mis-
: >tery (for me, at least).
: Your show it in your statement that "the Orthodox Church ... was chosen
: by Yaroslav Mudryj as a Kiev Russ church", while even primary school
: childred (in Russia at list) know that it was done by Vladimir.
: Eugene Z
nado proverit, delali li emu obrezaniye
MASimanoff
tiniest mental strain on your part you may realize that the temperance of
Ivan Ilych, as well as his Dostoevskian pattern of behavior (really, a
more universal behavior: fall, then redemption) is extremely Christian.
And this doesn't mean, of course, that it is EXCLUSIVELY Christian, and
neither are some aspects of Islam EXCLUSIVELY Islamic.
Lev Tolstoi was NOT a Muslim! His conversion in his old age was born
out of a long struggle and both passion and reason. I would give Tolstoi
some credit in assuming that he knew about the Russian Orthodox faith to
which he dedicated himself to in his later years!
Mikhail Simonov
New York
Sosha Tolstoi
>
>Eugene *fraer* (eug...@mit.edu) wrote:
>: Before showing their ignorance to the readers of the 6
>: newgroups both Jarmo Ryyti and Mikhail Teterin should open
>: at list a text book or an encyclopedia.
>: Tolstoy was devoted Christian all his life (also he indeed
>: was excommunicated from orthodox church).
>: Russians not by Yaroslav, but long before him by Vladimir
>: the Saint. The choice has nothing to do with features of
>: Eastern Christianity as such (the Western kind of
>: Christianity at that time was no less submissive to the
>: state), but rather it was a political choice of alliance
>: with the Bythantian and not with Germans (Western
>: Christianity), Khazars (Judaism), or Arabs (Islam).
>
>
>Great, Zhenya!
>
>I'll just add two points:
>
>1) Tolstoy indeed was Christian, but as any clever and philosophically
>thinking man, he saw some "flaws" in rigid Orthodox dogmatics, so he
>eventually became a heretic, who created his own philosophical system,
>collecting some good features from different systems and religions
>(and at this point, he *was interested* in some Eastern schools, but he
>wasn't Muslim as he wasn't buddist, either).
>
>political, ideed. But there is also an interesting idea that he picked up
>*the most beautiful* religion at that time.
> Arts and architecture are still not separated from believes themself in
>Orthodox Christianity (unlike in some other, especially modern, religions).
>
>3) Dear Finns, never listen to guides in such places where you said you've
>heard that silly story about Tolstoy. You'd better look around silently in
>such places - it'll really enlighten you a bit.
>
>
> nor Communist,
> I'm just a harmful zen-buddist.
>
> o
> <^> A.
> |\
>
>
>
>
>
all mystics.
sosha
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vanish in the memory behind their voices) that it meant "surrender."
"Salaam," I had thought, was "peace." In any case, if we're arguing, you
can win. I'm wrong. Touche. But the point remains that the count's
"Death of Ivan Ilych" is all about submission to the will of God, and is
therefore not unIslamic. For instance, Anna Karenina is capable of
"throwing off the traces" (if foolishly), and Ivan I. finds himself in the
grasp of a much more immediately assertive deity. If you want to argue
about the main point of this thread, then have at it. If you want heated
argument, please allow me to pass.
Bob Schoenberg
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the will of the big G and faces the big D with no will of his own that he
is redeemed. That's the whole point of the story. Just ask the servant.
Compare the conversion of Ivan Ilych with that of Pierre in _War and
Peace_. Pierre is partly inspired to accept his salvation. Ivan I. is
simply crushed outright, then saved. Really the difference lies between
Ivan's (yes, more Dostoevskian) servant and the little falcon, who is
himself a Christ figure. Personally, I feel that what makes Tolstoi a
great man is that he can't really be classified. He's bigger than any
concept we can keep labeled between us--even if he didn't want to be.
Bob Schoenberg
abdm...@gmail.com
Can you confirm that Leo Tolstoy became a Muslim? Is there any strong reference? Thanks a lot.
On Monday, August 7, 1995 at 1:00:00 PM UTC+6, Jarmo Ryyti wrote:
> The Church of Russia has always disliked those who oppose Great-Russian
> by the Russian church because he opposed Zhar's Great-Russian policy
> which was supported actively by the Church of Russia.
>
> Imperium because he was famous. In spite of that he was excommuniceted.
>
> the deepest hell. The Church of Russia even let to build speacial
> pulpits in the Catedral of Kazan and in the Church of Isac in
> StPetersburg where the priests could curse him to the hell.
>
> When the Russian greek-orthodox church excommunicated
> Leo Tolstoy he converted into Islam faith.
>
> It is worth to notice,even today the year 1995, the Church
>
> painter Ilya Repin and Leo Tolstoy were close friends.
> Both were friends of Finland's independence and for the
> freedom of nations.
>
> in Chechenya. The Church of Russia has not changed a bit
> during centuries in that respect.
>
島鉄雄
abdm...@gmail.com in
> Dear Jarmo,
> Can you confirm that Leo Tolstoy became a Muslim? Is there any strong reference? Thanks a lot.
Muslim, but no any real evidence. He was interested in many religions,
including Buddhism and Confucianism. The Orthodox Church anathematized
him because he openly expressed that Church "betrayed the Christ".
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