Republic of Turkey Sold 400 Tons of Armenian Bones to France in 1924
David Davidian
Yarn of Cargo of Human Bones [1]
Copyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company
Special Cable to The New York Times
PARIS, Dec 22, -- Marseilles is excited by a weird story of the arrival in
that port of a ship flying the British flag and named Zan carrying a
mysterious cargo of 400 tons of human bones consigned to manufacturers there.
The bones are said to have been loaded at Mudania on the Sea of Marmora and
to be the remains of the victims of massacres in Asia Minor. In view of the
rumors circulating it is expected that an inquiry will be instigated.
[1] _New York Times_, December 23, 1924, page 3, column 2 (bottom)
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In April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed de-
population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through the
genocidal extermination of the Armenian people. All this was insure that
Turks exclusively ruled over the geographic area today called the Republic of
Turkey. The result: 1.5 million murdered, 30 billion dollars of Armenian
property stolen and plundered. This genocide ended 2,500 years of Armenian
civilization on those lands. Today, the Turkish government continues to scrape
clean any vestige of a prior Armenian existence on those lands. Turkish
governmental policy is to re-write the history of the era and to manufacture
excuses for the murder of a people. In the face of refutation and proven
distortion, the Turkish Historical Society and cronies shamelessly continue
to deny that any such genocide occurred. Such a policy merely demonstrates
that in the modern era, genocide is an effective state policy when it remains
un-redressed and un-punished. A crime unpunished is a crime encouraged. Adolf
Hitler took this cue less than 25 years later!
Turkey claims Armenians were always an insignificant minority, yet...
Turkey claims "Armenians" were responsible for all "Moslem" losses in WWI!
Turkey claims there was no systematic deportation of Armenians, yet...
Armenians were removed from every city, town, and village in the whole of
Turkey! Armenians who resisted deportation and massacre are referred to as
"rebels".
Turkey claims there was no genocide of the Armenians, yet...
Turkish population figures today show ZERO Armenians in eastern Turkey, the
Armenian homeland!
The Republic of Turkey sold the bones of approximately 100,000 Armenians for
profit to Europe -- NO WONDER HITLER THOUGHT HE COULD SUCCEED !!!
Today, the Turkish government is enjoying the fruits of that genocide, and
receives tacit support for its position from its benefactor, the United
States. We never learn...we just never learn.
The Armenians demand recognition, reparation, return of Armenian land and
property lost as a result of this genocide.
ARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE ERMENILER ADALET INSTIYOR
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David Davidian <d...@urartu.SDPA.org> /--\ Lest our children forget...
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies / \ _
P.O. Box 2761 / \ / \
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A.Coras
>
> Yarn of Cargo of Human Bones [1]
No wonder Armenian apologists are world wide famous with their fertile
imaginations. Do you really expect us to believe this "armenian balloon"
Davidian? You must be in a very hopeless situation then:
In any case let me expose the Armenian lies from the writings of an
eminent historian who is an expert on the subject, will you?
Source: Justin McCarthy "Armenian Terrorism: History as Poison and Antidote,"
International Terrorism and the Drug Connection, Ankara, (Ankara
University Press), 1984, pp.85-94.
ARMENIAN TERRORISM:
HISTORY AS POISON AND ANTlDOTE
Historians do not usually contribute to discussions of present-day terrorism.
Middle East historians have especially avoided comment on Armenian terrorism,
preferring topics more remote and less likely to shoot back. However, in
considering Armenian violence, history cannot be ignored, for history is both
the cause of Armenian terrorism and its only cure. Armenian terrorism is
rooted in a false view of history and only by correcting that view will
Armenian terrorism be defeated. I therefore wish to suggest a method not
usually used to combat terrorism -the study of history.
There are many reasons that someone becomes a terrorist; perhaps few of them
have to do with the cause in which the terrorist believes. Many here know the
real psychological and economic motivations of terrorists better than I.
Nevertheless, each terrorist needs a raison d'etre philosophy and a cause for
which he can kill and die. History usually plays a part in this, both because
terrorists often look back to an idyllic past in which all was well with their
people and because terrorists harbor historical grudges and hatreds. Whether
they be the Viet Minh, the Mau Mau, the l.R.A. or others, terrorists who
attack imperial powers usually remember real or imagined historical injuries
and vow vengeance. But with most terrorists history is the smaller part of
their justification. The greater part is their desire to free their people
from bondage, so that their people can rule themselves and their land.
Today's Armenian terrorists are unique in that history is their only real
justification. There are no people to liberate. The aim of Armenian terrorists
is vengeance for what they believe are past wrongs.
(end of Part 1)
A.Coras
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A.Coras
Source: Justin McCarthy "Armenian Terrorism: History as Poison and Antidote,"
International Terrorism and the Drug Connection, Ankara, (Ankara
University Press), 1984, pp.85-94.
There cannot be said to be a practical justification for Armenian terrorism.
Some who provide assistance to Armenian terror, such as the Soviet Union, wish
to disrupt Turkey and NATO and they gain from Armenian violence, but the
Armenians themselves do not, and can not gain. They can never reasonably claim
the area that once was their homeland. Today, less than three million
Armenians live outside the Soviet Union, and of these only a small percentage
would ever migrate to a newly-created Armenia. More than eleven million
Muslims, Turkish citizens, now live in the same area. Armenians could at best
hope to be 10% of the population. Short of a major war that would kill the
eleven million Muslims, an Armenian state in Anatolia is impossible.
Armenian terrorists also cannot be said to be fighting for a better life or
freedom from oppression for their people or even to free their brothers from
an oppressive political yoke. No one seriously believes that the Armenians in
Turkey are politically persecuted and, in any case, the terrorists write of
the Armenian citizens of Turkey as "not real Armenians," because they are
willingly part of the Turkish Republic. If Armenian terrorists really wished
to free their brothers from political bondage, they would be directing their
attacks toward Russia, not Turkey.
Thus it is obvious that Armenian terrorism does not have a realizeable
political goal. Stripped of abstract political rhetoric and ingenious
clamorings for a "return" to Erzurum or Harput, Armenian terrorism is purely
a product of the desire for revenge.
The crimes for which the Armenians blame the Turks are numerous and varied,
including all the villanies attributable to man, but two claims are of
paramount importance Turkish refusal to accept an Armenian state in Eastern
Anatolia and the supposed Turkish genocide of 1.5 million or more Armenians
during and after World War 1.
These are historical claims. They are unquestioningly accepted as true not
only by Armenians, but by the majority of citizens of Western Europe and
America. They are also the reason that Armenian terrorism, including the
murder of absolutely innocent diplomats and others, has caused so little
moral outrage among non-Armenians. Because of these historical claims,
Armenian terrorism is viewed as justifiable vengeance, not murder.
Treating Armenian terrorism by hunting down terrorists and checking for bombs
at embassy doors is necessary, but it is also treating the symptoms while the
disease remains. As long as children are taught to hate their ancestors'
enemies, the seeds of terrorism will live on. The foundation of Armenian
terrorism is bad history. In the end, only good history will cure the
disease.
There is no time here to consider in detail the history of the Ottoman
Armenians. Much of the history of the Armenians is, in any case, not known.
One of the tragedies of scholarship on the Middle East is that independent
historians have long avoided the Armenian Question. Studying the Armenians
potentially brought with it little praise and much loss. I must admit that
my own
(end of part 2)
A.Coras
Source: Justin McCarthy "Armenian Terrorism: History as Poison and Antidote,"
International Terrorism and the Drug Connection, Ankara, (Ankara
University Press), 1984, pp.85-94.
I must admit that my own
intention was not to study Armenians. As a demographer I was fascinated by
the fact that histories of the Ottoman Empire had been written for 300 years,
but no one had an accurate idea of who actually had lived in the Empire. I
began studying the population of Ottoman Anatolia to find how many Anatolians
were in each of the millets and what had actually happened to the Anatolians
in the course of the wars that ended the Ottoman Empire. I first discovered
that something was wrong with the accepted wisdom on the Armenians when I
found that many more Anatolian Muslims had died than Armenians. That did not
seem to be genocide.
My researches have since demonstrated a number of facts that disprove the
usual contentions concernings Turks and Armenians. The facts were drawn from
statistics on Armenian population which were compiled by the Ottomans as part
of their population registration program. They were demographically consistent,
accurate data, collected by a government that needed to know Armenian numbers
for its own Intelligence. In no way were they politically or propagandistically
motivated, and when they were collected, before the war, the Ottoman government
did not expect that they would ever be used in arguments over an Armenian
problem. They were, in short, the type of population statistics gathered by
every government in the world. However, although the statistics have been
available for 70 years, they have remained unused. Politicians, terrorists,
and Armenian scholars have preferred their own guesses to accurate figures.
Their guesses, of course, have supported their contentions that millions of
Armenians had been killed or driven from Armenia. Real statistics show a far
different picture.
First, despite the presence of "Armenia" on nineteenth century maps and the
assertions of European politicians who had no way to know the truth, there was
no Armenia in the Ottoman Empire.
The area claimed as "Turkish Armenia" was commonly known as the Six Vilayets
Van, Bitlis, Mamuretulaziz, Diyarbakir, Sivas, and Erzurum. In 1912, there
were only 870,000 Armenians in the Six Vilayets. Armenians were less than
one-fifth of the population of the Six Vilayets as a whole. In some provinces
of the Six Vilayets, Muslims outnumbered Armenians six to one. Moreover,
Armenians were settled all over the Ottoman Empire, not simply in the East.
As many Armenians lived in the rest of the Ottoman Empire as in the Six
Vilayets. However, even if all the Armenians of the Empire had come together
to live in Eastern Anatolia, the Muslims would still have outnumbered them by
more than two to one. The impossibility of building a modern state with such
numbers is obvious.
(end of part 3)
A.Coras
International Terrorism and the Drug Connection, Ankara, (Ankara
University Press), 1984, pp.85-94.
Second, the alleged Genocide of the Armenians: Barring the latter-day
discovery of a personal diary, no one will ever be able to prove what Talaat
Pasa really intended for the Ottoman Armenians. We now know that, like the
infamous Hitler quote, the so-called extermination orders of Talaat Pasa were
forgeries. The only relevant Ottoman documents that have come to light
indicate a generally solicitous attitude toward deported Armenians. Yet
Muslims surely did kill Armenians during World War 1, and Armenians surely
died during the deportations. No matter how many Ottoman documents surface
showing benign Ottoman intentions toward Armenians, it is doubtful if Armenian
apologists will ever accept such documents as accurate. Numbers present more
indisputable evidence. They allow one to view the situation in Eastern
Anatolia during World War I without the blinders of ethnic identity.
Statistics have no millet.
The history of the events in Eastern Anatolia is no one-sided tale of massacre
and deportation. In April of 1915, the last act of the long Ottoman-Russian
wars began. Armenian leaders in the Ottoman Empire adopted two stances toward
the war: The Armenian "establishment" businessmen, churchmen, and educators
professed their neutrality, although they accepted conscription and other
unavoidable duties as citizens. Armenian revolutionary groups stepped up
their anti-Ottoman activities, including the stock-piling of arms in Eastern
Anatolian cities. On the other side, far from professing neutrality,
Armenians in the Russian Empire supported the Czar and Armenians joined
Russian forces with the intention of taking Ottoman Armenia and uniting with
their brothers.
Both the Ottomans and the Russians cleared border areas of part of their
population in preparation for war. The Ottoman government, remembering
Armenian support for Russia in past wars, decided to remove Armenians from
potential war zones and communications centers. Whether or not hindsight and
modern morality tell us that the deportations were a mistake, no one can
seriously doubt that the Ottoman government had reason to distrust many of
the Armenians of Anatolia. Because of the assistance given by the Armenians
to invading Russian armies in 1828, 1854, and 1877, the Ottomans decided they
could not trust the Armenians, much as the United States, with much less
justification, decided they could not trust Americans of Japanese ancestry
in World War 1. A forced deportation of Armenians was begun. In areas in
which Ottoman authority was weak and in war zones, Armenians suffered
terribly. They were set
upon by the Kurdish bandits and even by some Ottoman government officials.
Interestingly, the latter were often Muslims who themselves had been exiled
from the Russian Empire, their places taken by Armenians in the Caucasus. In
areas to the south where Ottoman authority was strong, such incidents were
few and the refugees arrived in Syria in relative safety (as attested by the
Armenians themselves).
(end of part 4)
A.Coras
International Terrorism and the Drug Connection, Ankara, (Ankara
University Press), 1984, pp.85-94.
Before the deportations had begun, the first Ottoman thrust into Russian
territory had failed and the Russians had begun a strong counter-attack. At
the back of the Ottoman army, Armenian revolutionaries seized and held the
city of Van, displacing thousands of Muslims, who became refugees. These were
soon joined by 800,000 fellow Muslims, refugees from areas taken by the
Russian army. By the time warfare ceased more than 400,000 Turks evicted from
the Caucasus had been added to the refugee numbers. The Muslim refugees were
persecuted by the same Kurdish bandits who attacked the Armenian refugees, and
they were killed by Armenian revolutionaries and Armenian volunteers from the
Caucasus. The fate of the Muslim and Armenian refugees was remarkably similar.
War, bandits, starvation, and disease killed Turks and Armenians
indiscriminately.
By the end of the Eastern Anatolian wars, 1.2 million Muslims from Eastern
Anatolia and the Caucasus had become refugees. More than one million of the
Muslims of Eastern Anatolia had died, as had at least 130,000 Caucasian
refugee Muslims. 870,000 of the Armenians of the Six Vilayets had become
refugees or had died. In Anatolia as a whole, 600,000 Armenians and 2.5
million Muslims had died. If this was genocide, it was a strange genocide
indeed, one in which many more killers than victims perished.
If the case against a genocide of Armenians needed any further proof, one
would only have to look to Istanbul, the capital of the Empire and the area
most under goverment control. In Istanbul, to the shame and guilt of the
Ottoman goverment, perhaps 200 Armenian politicians were executed without
trial. But all the rest of the Istanbul Armenians, who presented no threat
to the Ottomans, lived through the wars. Their sons and daughters live in
Istanbul today. Considering actual genocide in its worst manifestation, Nazi
Germany, can one imagine Hitler sparing the lives of all the Jews in Berlin?
Any comparison between the Ottomans and the Nazis is ludicrous, as is the use
of the word genocide to describe the actions of the Turks. What passed between
the Armenians and the Turks was not genocide; it was war.
The war that engulfed the Turks and Armenians in 1915 was the last in the
series of nineteenth century Turco-Russian Wars. It was those wars that
destroyed the place of the Armenians in Anatolia- In the 1700s, the Russians
began their conquest of the lands of the Crimean Tatars, expanding their
conquests in the 1800s to include the Caucasus. The overwhelming majority of
the population of both areas was Muslim. As part of their colonial policy,
the Russians set out to change the demographic makeup of the area.
The Russian policy had two facets the deportation of Muslims and the
importation of Christians. Deportation was advanced vigorously during both
peace and wartimes. Between 1828 and 1920, more than two million Muslims were
forcibly evacuated and an unknown number killed. Those who fled found refuge
in the Ottoman Empire. In the process, whole nations the Crimean Tatars, the
Abkhazians, the Circassians ceased to exist in their ancestral homes.
The other mainstay of the Russian colonial policy was the importation of
Christians to the Crimea, the Steppes, and the Caucasus. Slavic Christians
were brought to the Crimea and North Caucasus. Armenians were welcomed to the
South Caucasus. Beginning with the war of 1828-29, the Russians promised
privileges and autonomy (a promise still undelivered) to the Armenians, in
return of Armenian support against the Turks. Twice, in 1828 and 1854, the
Russians invaded Eastern Anatolia, each time favoring local Armenians, and
twice they left, taking 100,000 Armenian sympathizers with them to the
Caucasus, where the Armenians took the place of emigrant and deceased Turks.
(The province of Erivan, the present-day Soviet Republic of Armenia, was 80%
Muslim before 1828). In the 1877-78 war, the Russians took and held the
Kars-Ardahan region, driving out Muslims and providing a home for 70,000
Armenians in the region, many of whom came from other areas of Anatolia.
Perhaps 60,000 Armenians went to the Russian Caucasus in the troubles of
1895-6. Finally, the migrations of the World War I era resulted in an almost
even exchange of 400,000 Armenians from Eastern Anatolia for 400,000
Muslims from the Caucasus.
Figures on refugee numbers are somewhat imprecise and are the subject of
on-going research. However, we know that from the 1820s to the 1920s almost
600,000 Armenians went from the Ottoman Empire to Russia. Two million Muslims
came from Russia to Turkey. Once again, the suffering was far from one-sided.
(end of part 5)
A.Coras
International Terrorism and the Drug Connection, Ankara, (Ankara
University Press), 1984, pp.85-94.
The historical truth is that Russian Imperial expansion upset the traditional
balance of the peoples of the Caucasus and Eastern Anatolia. All the peoples
suffered. In terms of number, dead and deportations, those who suffered most
were the Crimean and Caucasian Muslims. If any people were the victims of
genocide, it was the Crimean Tatars, victims in their own homeland of
a planned extermination begun by Catherine the Great and ended by Joseph
Stalin. Yet those who are all too willing to consider Muslims as the agents
of genocide seem strangely unwilling to consider Muslims as its victims.
What I have related is, I submit, the truth, albeit in an abbreviated form.
It is a story of human suffering that, like most such stories, has no hero and
no villain, only victims human victims, whether Turkish or Armenian. But that
is not the way the story has been told. Instead of the truth of a human
disaster, a great myth has arisen, the myth of the Evil Turk and the Good
Armenian. The myth has been perpetuated by stories of the sufferings of the
Armenians. The stories are often true, but they never mention the equal or
greater sufferings of the Turks. The myth has been generally believed by
non-Armenians because it fits well into a larger, centuries old myth the
Terrible Turk. To Europeans, who had feared Turks for more than five centuries,
the myth of the Armenian genocide seemed just one more example of what they
had been taught was the savagery of the Turk. It spoke to a prejudice that
had been nurtured by textbooks, sermons, folk tales, and ancestral fears of
the horsemen riding out of the East. The false image of the Turks was too
strong to be affected by facts.
When Turks protested that their side should be heard and that their dead
should be mourned just as Armenian dead were moumed, they found no sympathy
and no understanding. No matter the evidence they presented, nothing they
said was believed, and soon the Turks ceased their protests against the
injustice. Under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, they busied
themselves with the creation of a new Republic, assuming that their success
as a modern nation would be the best weapon against the image of the Terrible
Turk.
To a great degree, the Turks have succeeded. Politicians and statesmen in
Europe and America have welcomed the Turks as friends and allies. However,
Turkish silence has done nothing to kill the myth of the Armenian genocide.
A vocal, well-educated, and media-conscious group of Armenians, believing in
their cause and anxious that their children learn to believe as they do, have
kept alive the false picture of the genocide. They have succeeded in
perpetuating the myth and strengthening its grip. The false picture of
Armenian genocide has become the only picture seen.
While I was writing this paper a book appeared in my mailbox. As they do to
all professors, publishers send me copies of textbooks in the hope that I will
adopt them for my classes. The book, The Modern Middle East and North Africa,
by Lois Aroian and Richard Mitchell, is published by Macmillan, one of the
largest publishers in the United States. It is obviously being marketed
extensively with, I expect, a free copy being sent to every professor who
teaches Middle Eastern history. Thousands of American college students will
probably read the book.
The Modern Middle East and North Africa contains a section titled "The
Armenian Demise." I will quote only a few sentences from it:
Armenians throughout Anatolia began marching southward or eastward into
the Syrian desert wastes. Turkish and Kurdish forces denied them rest,
food, and water. Thousands died on the way. Those who did not were often
killed when they reached Dayr al-Zor on the Euphrates. Most Armenians
caught in the east were killed outright.
The book goes on to state "Historians have not determined how many Armenians
died" (a statement that particularly bothered me, since I thought I had done
so). The lack of information on the Armenian dead is explained by the
assertion that "the Ottoman government imprisoned and later killed most of the
Armenian educated elite writers, teachers, businessmen, and prominent clergy
who might have written about the event." In the end, despite the avowed lack
of evidence, the authors found a number after all "Including perhaps 200,000
executed by the goverment, historians generally accept that as many as 1.5
million Armenians may have died." Some of what is written on the Armenians in
the book is half true. Some is completely false. None of it is completely true.
Of course, one of the great benefits in writing a textbook is that you do not
have to prove your assertions. An occasional reference such as "historians
generally accept" is considered to be proof enough. Reading the text, one
could be pardoned for thinking that only Armenians suffered, since only one
part of the one sentence is devoted to all of the Muslim dead of the time-
"Greek, Kurdish, and Turkish noncombatants in Anatolia died during the war of
hunger and disease, but they were not singled out for death in an organized
campaign." No mention is made of Armenian or Greek attacks on Muslims, both
of which were organized campaigns. Only two paragraphs are given to the entire
Turkish War of Independence.
(end of part 6)
A.Coras
International Terrorism and the Drug Connection, Ankara, (Ankara
University Press), 1984, pp.85-94.
Unlike many books written by Armenian and other scholars, this book is not
intended to be an Armenian polemic against Turks. It is a textbook, well-
written and attractive. It will appeal to many professors and their students.
Thus the myth lives on.
The examples of this type of historical distortion of the history of the
Armenians and the Turks are many. The Armenian Question is seldom mentioned
in print without half-truths and falsifications. In fact, in the United States
and Western Europe we have seen a new wave of false history. Armenian
apologists have succeeded in tying themselves to those who wish never to
forget the suffering of the Jewish Holocaust, and the Armenian experience has
been portrayed as a "proto-Holocaust." Television shows and newspaper articles
have repeated and reinforced the old myth, accepted because Europeans and
Americans have never been told the truth. A new generation of Armenians is
learning the stories that will produce future terrorists.
The lesson is obvious-silence does not work. Historical lies, unless they are
countered, will perpetuate themselves. As long as Armenian children believe
that their great-grandfathers were murdered by Turks, some Armenian children
will kill in what they believe is revenge. And as long as the world believes
in Turkish guilt, little will be done to stop the killers.
The solution is a difficult one the truth must be fearlessly proclaimed. I
say fearlessly, because one American professor, Stanford Shaw, and his family
have already been physically attacked for his statements on the fate of the
Armenians. Given the intensity of belief in the myth of the Terrible Turk, it
may be that the truth will not be heard. Nevertheless, the truth must be
spoken. Scholars, especially European and American scholars, must call for the
independent and unbiased study of history. As they have begun to do, Turks
must continue to open all archives and records so that this study can be made,
demanding that Russians and Armenians do the same. There will be no quick
solution and many years will pass before young Armenians realize that their
cause is not just. But I believe that, had the true history of the Ottoman
Armenians been widely known thirty years ago, there would be no Armenian
terrorism today. As historians, it is our duty to insure that thirty years
from now the same statement cannot be made.
I began by saying that the best weapon against Armenian terrorism is the study
of history. It might be better said that the best weapon is truth.
( end )
Hasan Cam
>
> Yarn of Cargo of Human Bones [1]
>
Shame on you, Mr. Davidian. After your ancestors have revolted and
massacred hundreds of thousands of muslims including women, children
in Anotolia, you still dare to distort the historical facts and
try to misinform the netters deliberately even though it has been
proven many times on the nets that you and your collaborators are
just LIARS.
> ---------------------------
>
> In April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed de-
> population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through the
> genocidal extermination of the Armenian people. All this was insure that
First, even a person who has little knowledge about the recent history knows
that there was no so called Turkish government in 1915. It was Ottoman
goverment.
Second, thanks God that Armenian genocide squads were not able to kill all
the Turks and Kurds in eastern part of Turkey because Ottoman
soldiers were able to restore this brutal revolt.
> Turkey. The result: 1.5 million murdered,
Yes, it is true that more than 1.5 million muslims have been brutally
murdered by Armenians. Where is JUSTICE?
>
> The Armenians demand recognition, reparation, return of Armenian land and
> property lost as a result of this genocide.
>
> ARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE ERMENILER ADALET INSTIYOR
>
Yes, Turks and Kurds demand justice, recognition, reparation
and property lost as a result of this Armenian genocide. I also
want the people who post this kind of false information on the nets
to be brought to justice.
>
> --
> David Davidian <d...@urartu.SDPA.org>
Best regards,
Hasan Cam
enis.surensoy
>
> Yarn of Cargo of Human Bones [1]
>
> Copyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company
> Special Cable to The New York Times
>
> PARIS, Dec 22, -- Marseilles is excited by a weird story of the arrival in
> that port of a ship flying the British flag and named Zan carrying a
> mysterious cargo of 400 tons of human bones consigned to manufacturers there.
> The bones are said to have been loaded at Mudania on the Sea of Marmora and
> to be the remains of the victims of massacres in Asia Minor. In view of the
> rumors circulating it is expected that an inquiry will be instigated.
>
> [1] _New York Times_, December 23, 1924, page 3, column 2 (bottom)
>
> ---------------------------
>
> In April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed de-
> population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through the
> genocidal extermination of the Armenian people. All this was insure that
>
>
> David Davidian <d...@urartu.SDPA.org> /--\ Lest our children forget...
> S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies / \ _
> P.O. Box 2761 / \ / \
> Cambridge, MA 02238 ..................../ \______/ \.....
The interesting point of the extraordinarily wild imagination
of the Armenian terrorist advocate is that the market demand
for the Armenian bones the Eurepeans had in 1915.
Quite interesting!!
Parlakbilek Ahmet
>>
>> Yarn of Cargo of Human Bones [1]
>>
>> Copyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company
>> Special Cable to The New York Times
>>
>> PARIS, Dec 22, -- Marseilles is excited by a weird story of the arrival in
>> that port of a ship flying the British flag and named Zan carrying a
>> mysterious cargo of 400 tons of human bones consigned to manufacturers there.
>> The bones are said to have been loaded at Mudania on the Sea of Marmora and
>> to be the remains of the victims of massacres in Asia Minor. In view of the
>> rumors circulating it is expected that an inquiry will be instigated.
>>
>> [1] _New York Times_, December 23, 1924, page 3, column 2 (bottom)
>>
>> ---------------------------
>> David Davidian <d...@urartu.SDPA.org> /--\ Lest our children forget...
>> S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies / \ _
>> P.O. Box 2761 / \ / \
>> Cambridge, MA 02238 ..................../ \______/ \.....
>
Go on, Davidian! Your hopeless case is becoming evident to all newsgroups
as you wrote such garbage...
Even in elementary schools, kids laugh at this article.
We killed thousands of people in ww1?We kept the bones (thinking that we can
sell them later)?And 9 years after 1915, we sold them to France?.Of course,
we carried them from East Anatolia to Mudanya first..
What a great idea of Turks? It is like burrying gold before war, ha!!
Any other jokes??
Go ahead, while you are at it, explain what happened to the bones of 1
million Muslims killed in Anatolia during WW1!..
Probably, there was no demand to "Muslim" bones in Europe, in the same way
no demand to "Kurds" today, ha?.
Regards,
Ahmet PARLAKBILEK
enis.surensoy
>
> Copyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company
> Special Cable to The New York Times
>
> PARIS, Dec 22, -- Marseilles is excited by a weird story of the arrival in
> that port of a ship flying the British flag and named Zan carrying a
> mysterious cargo of 400 tons of human bones consigned to manufacturers there.
> The bones are said to have been loaded at Mudania on the Sea of Marmora and
> to be the remains of the victims of massacres in Asia Minor. In view of the
> rumors circulating it is expected that an inquiry will be instigated.
>
> [1] _New York Times_, December 23, 1924, page 3, column 2 (bottom)
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>
> In April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed de-
> population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through the
> genocidal extermination of the Armenian people. All this was insure that
>
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The interesting points of the extraordinarily outrageous imagination
of the idiot Armenian terrorist advocate are that one there was a
high market demand for the bones of Armenians in European countries
in 1915 and second British cooperated in marketing Armenian bones
in European market.
Can E. Korman
>
> Copyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company
> Special Cable to The New York Times
>
> PARIS, Dec 22, -- Marseilles is excited by a weird story of the arrival in
> that port of a ship flying the British flag and named Zan carrying a
> mysterious cargo of 400 tons of human bones consigned to manufacturers there.
Sounds like an interesting joint venture between the evil Turks and the
evil Western Capitalists !!!!!!!!
> The bones are said to have been loaded at Mudania on the Sea of Marmora and
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> to be the remains of the victims of massacres in Asia Minor. In view of the
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Said by whom?
Do the Armenian bones have any special features on them?
> rumors circulating it is expected that an inquiry will be instigated.
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Kitty Kelly also wrote her book based on "circulating rumors."
These are the most reliable sources one can find !
>
> [1] _New York Times_, December 23, 1924, page 3, column 2 (bottom)
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> The Republic of Turkey sold the bones of approximately 100,000 Armenians for
> profit to Europe -- NO WONDER HITLER THOUGHT HE COULD SUCCEED !!!
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>
Yeah?
This explains everything.
I was wondering where the tremendous wealth in Turkey came from!!!
By the way, was Hitler in the bone trading business too?
> Today, the Turkish government is enjoying the fruits of that genocide, and
> receives tacit support for its position from its benefactor, the United
> States. We never learn...we just never learn.
>
> The Armenians demand recognition, reparation, return of Armenian land and
> property lost as a result of this genocide.
>
> ARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE ERMENILER ADALET INSTIYOR
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The word is ISTIYOR.
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> David Davidian <d...@urartu.SDPA.org> /--\ Lest our children forget...
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Best regards,
Can E. Korman
Maryversity of Uniland
Kutluk Ozguven
>profit to Europe -- NO WONDER HITLER THOUGHT HE COULD SUCCEED !!!
It was the so-called deliberate intervention of the Ottoman officers in
Armenian migration to southwest that this person was trying to impose
on less informed people. Now it became the Armenian bone trade between
western countries and the republic. Does this person still ignore
mass graveyards of thousands of Muslims in Eastern Turkey that are
massacred by the bloody terror troops namely Tashnak and Hinchak
commitees ? Is there also trade agreements between the West and Turkish
Republic on Muslim bones ? Or were they less welcome in west ?
>Today, the Turkish government is enjoying the fruits of that genocide, and
>receives tacit support for its position from its benefactor, the United
>States. We never learn...we just never learn.
If there are someone who has to learn that is the American people
and that is the fact that they have been deceived by either the Armenians
and or the anti-muslim missionary work that helped the lie of' Turks
kill while Armenians pray' scrached in many Americans. We shall
tell the truth to Americans, the World and the Armenians too.
>
>The Armenians demand recognition, reparation, return of Armenian land and
>property lost as a result of this genocide.
Not exactly. The Armenians who are the people Armenia do not. The
Armenian church is not the one either. The Turkish Armenians, one of
whose restaurant in Manchester I will go this evening and enjoy my
dinner, do not ask for anything. It is people of hate who insist on
such unconstructive arguments because they have nothing to lose,
even hate the country that gave them home as the person refered above.
>ARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE ERMENILER ADALET INSTIYOR
If they still see Muslims worthless people as their leaders did
starting the genocides, let them keep demand the unholy justice.
Furthermore the Turkish translation of the call to wilderness
is, as usual, incorrect.
>David Davidian <d...@urartu.SDPA.org> /--\ Lest our children forget...
And PS, 'your children' are looking forward to constructive friendship
with Turkey and exchange messages of a fresh start in Transcaucasia.
They too express their interest in the Black Sea economic region
which might prepare the region to economic relations of mutual benefit
among themselves and towards EC. Sorry about that..
kutluk
enis.surensoy
> This story is too gruesome to quote from, although I sadly suppose it
> does not hold any world-record on grotesqueness either in its day or
> in these 'enlightened' times. But I do have a question: who would buy
> _400_ tons of human bones (without their national press having a hayday)
> and what, pray tell, would they use them for? If these things _do_ have
> some utility at such a scale as to realize profit over the cost of
> collecting, packing, loading, shipping and delivery, is this still a
> commodity in demand? Is someone, somewhere, deriving such profits from
> Iraqi or Kurdish or Tibetan or Cambodian or ... remains?
>
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As I mentioned before according to the Armenian terrorist
advocate, vicious liar and anti-Turkish propagandist, at the
turn of the century thare was a demand for Armenian bones
in the European markets and British helped marketing the
bones in Europe.
Gary Murphy
Metin Akbil [900524]
Now just for a moment ASSUME that it is true, does this make France any better
than the so called killers of those Armenians. So David, from now on, if you
believe what you wrote, I expect to see another line under your messages:
Justice from France. Now come on, David do you really believe that if what
you said had occurred in Turkey, the Turkish government would actually send
bones to France or to any other place? I assume that most people having
access to this network should be reasonably intelligent, so please pass what
you read through a filter of logic before believing it. I could come up with
hundreds of "Kitty Kelly" style references but I think it would eventually
put me in a very ridiculous position. So please, let's apply some logic
rather than sentiments.
Regards
Metin Akbil
bxr...@csc.anu.edu.au
> This story is too gruesome to quote from, although I sadly suppose it
> does not hold any world-record on grotesqueness either in its day or
> in these 'enlightened' times. But I do have a question: who would buy
> _400_ tons of human bones (without their national press having a hayday)
> and what, pray tell, would they use them for? If these things _do_ have
> some utility at such a scale as to realize profit over the cost of
> collecting, packing, loading, shipping and delivery, is this still a
> commodity in demand? Is someone, somewhere, deriving such profits from
> Iraqi or Kurdish or Tibetan or Cambodian or ... remains?
The other, perhaps even more important question that thus far no one
has asked (not even the Turkish apologists on the net) is why the hell would
France want to import all these human bones? You would have thought that after
the carnage of the Western Front in World War One that there would have been
more than enough human remains lying around without needing to import more from
as remote a place as Turkey.
--
Brian Ross
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