Ataturk Prize: Mandela?!!!
CAJEE,MASOOD
Can anyone tell me why Nelson Mandela rejected the
Ataturk Peace Prize in 1992? Was it because he did not
want to offend the Muslims in south Africa, who had
a special regard for the Ottoman Empire?
Thank you,
Masood
oak...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
>Hello,
>
>Can anyone tell me why Nelson Mandela rejected the
>Ataturk Peace Prize in 1992? Was it because he did not
A South African friend of mine told me that it was probably because the Turkish
Republic had good open relations with the SA government.
>want to offend the Muslims in south Africa, who had
>a special regard for the Ottoman Empire?
these Muslims should follow the Turkish leadership once again...
>Thank you,
>Masood
sincerely,
A.O.Koker
ptis...@nl103.ittpub.nl
> mca...@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (CAJEE,MASOOD) writes:
>>Hello,
>>
>>Can anyone tell me why Nelson Mandela rejected the
>>Ataturk Peace Prize in 1992? Was it because he did not
>
> A South African friend of mine told me that it was probably because the Turkish
> Republic had good open relations with the SA government.
>
>>want to offend the Muslims in south Africa, who had
>>a special regard for the Ottoman Empire?
>
> these Muslims should follow the Turkish leadership once again...
>
>
>>Thank you,
>>Masood
>
Turkey did not have diplomatic relations with South Africa during Apartheid.
But what I know is, during that time Turkey was importing a less-smoky coal
from South Africa (despite the UN sanctions) for preventing air pollution in
Ankara.
But, what does it have to do with rejecting the prize with the name of
Ataturk who has lead the first movement against imperialist oppressors
in this century?
If for example Holland offered him a peace prize, would he reject it
because Shell (the oil company who never pulled out of S. Africa) is
a Dutch company? I do not think so.
It is Ironic that, the same Mandela has declared Khomeyni (sp) of Iran
as a "Great Leader".
Khomeyni is the same Khomeyni who executed thousands of Iranians and forced
millions out as refugees during/after Islamic revolution in 1980s.
However respect we may have for Mr Mandela for the things he went
through and accomplished, he always had his mistakes. Remember that Amnesty
International has never worked hard for him due to some ANC policies.
(I'm not sure whether Amnesty Int'l was right though...).
I believe, when the dust settles, we shall see whether he has completed his
contribution against the Apartheid, whether he will be a democratic
leader for his people or another "one man".
regards.
SAK.
> sincerely,
> A.O.Koker
SAK.
opinions are mine.
Ahmed_
I LISTENED TO THE OFFICIAL TURKISH RADIO AT THOSE DAYS. MANDELA REJECTED
THE PEACE PRICE BY SAYING THERE IS SEVERE VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS BY
TURKISH STATE IN SOUTH EAST PART OF TURKEY (KNOWN AS KURDISTAN).
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Raffi Kojian
I am not flaming here. The reason he did not accept the prize is because of
Turkeys crumby human rights record. Do not complain to me, you can go back and
read the newspaper articles of the time (not Turkish ones though I suspect)
n_w$$h
Mesut Tufan
There are various prices in the world today, given by various governments
on different subjects, like peace, science, arts etc..The bodies who
distributes these prices searches around and try to find those who deserves
the corresponding prices most..
The Turkish government did the same for Ataturk peace price, and rightfully
nominated Nelson Mandela to get it, for his contributions to the efforts to
demolish the apartheid policy and his support for full democratic values..
That price was for the name of Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the modern
Turkish republic and therefore known as the father of the Turks..
It is an irony that, Mr.mandela did not accept the price, given for the
name of a man who initiated and fought the first major and successful libe-
ration and independence war in the world against the imperilaist powers
which as a matter of fact, is what Mr. Mandela himself has been trying to do
for some time..
Of course, it was up to Mr. Mandela himself to accept the price or not..He
refused..In my opinion, he missed the opportunity to have the honour of
having a peace price given in the name of a man, who is one of the greatest
leaders of this century and represents the prides of the whole Turkish
nation..
And about the human rights issue..The Turkish government might not have
an admirable track record on this subject, (do not forget the very complex
and difficult problems Turkey has..), but it has nothing to do with the price
which was being offered in the name of peace..Also, do remember the fact that,
the supporters of ANC party opened fire in Johannesburg recently on Inkatha
freedom party members and caused many deaths..Does it mean that the head of
ANC party Mr. Mandela was in favour of this activity..I doubt it..But,
probably it would be told that the conditions has forced this kind of
behaviour..
Anyway, I wish Mr. Mandela good luck on his struggle and congratulate him
in his presidency as a result of first democratically performed elections
in South Africa..
Mesut
Hakan Birol
>nominated Nelson Mandela to get it, for his contributions to the efforts to
>demolish the apartheid policy and his support for full democratic values..
>That price was for the name of Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the modern
>Turkish republic and therefore known as the father of the Turks..
Father of what? I am a Turk and he is not my father. This is a terrible
insult to great many Turks. Please apologize.
>It is an irony that, Mr.mandela did not accept the price, given for the
>name of a man who initiated and fought the first major and successful libe-
>ration and independence war in the world against the imperilaist powers
>which as a matter of fact, is what Mr. Mandela himself has been trying to do
>for some time..
>Of course, it was up to Mr. Mandela himself to accept the price or not..He
>refused..In my opinion, he missed the opportunity to have the honour of
>having a peace price given in the name of a man, who is one of the greatest
>leaders of this century and represents the prides of the whole Turkish
>nation..
Go read some before you jump into conclusions. You can start with
Time's and Newsweeks' issues from 30s. Enlighten yourself. And do not
talk for the whole Turkish nation. You are not my representative. I
can speak for myself.
>And about the human rights issue..The Turkish government might not have
>an admirable track record on this subject, (do not forget the very complex
>and difficult problems Turkey has..), but it has nothing to do with the price
>which was being offered in the name of peace..Also, do remember the fact that,
>the supporters of ANC party opened fire in Johannesburg recently on Inkatha
>freedom party members and caused many deaths..Does it mean that the head of
>ANC party Mr. Mandela was in favour of this activity..I doubt it..But,
>probably it would be told that the conditions has forced this kind of
>behaviour..
I was listening to a Nobel prize winner author from South Africa. She
is a white and ANC supporter as far as I could see. She was saying
blacks did not have any other means to express themselves but
violence. But now that they are given a chance it will be peaceful. I
think white supremists bombed an ANC party center in downtown to
provoke a fight and so to cancel the elections. But so far elections
ended peacefully. You are wrong about Mandela's views about whites. He
says they need whites in the country as their countryman and they need
their help for the country, given the fact that blacks are mostly
uneducated. Therefore they do not see them as imperialists. And
Mandela is not fighting for such a cause. Therefore your comparision
of Mandela is wrong. You cannot compare apples and oranges.
>Mesut
Birol
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>>The Turkish government did the same for Ataturk peace price, and rightfully
>>nominated Nelson Mandela to get it, for his contributions to the efforts to
>>demolish the apartheid policy and his support for full democratic values..
>>That price was for the name of Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the modern
>>Turkish republic and therefore known as the father of the Turks..
>
> Father of what? I am a Turk and he is not my father. This is a terrible
> insult to great many Turks. Please apologize.
>
Not all people have fathers.
But it's not your fault Hakan.
>>Mesut
>
> Birol
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>>The Turkish government did the same for Ataturk peace price, and rightfully
>>nominated Nelson Mandela to get it, for his contributions to the efforts to
>>demolish the apartheid policy and his support for full democratic values..
>>That price was for the name of Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the modern
>>Turkish republic and therefore known as the father of the Turks..
>
> Father of what? I am a Turk and he is not my father. This is a terrible
> insult to great many Turks. Please apologize.
> Hayir, sen Turk degil, Arap bozmasisin. Merak ediyorum, senin
'grandmother'in veya annen Arap erkeklerine sex kolesimiydi?
>>It is an irony that, Mr.mandela did not accept the price, given for the
>>name of a man who initiated and fought the first major and successful libe-
>>ration and independence war in the world against the imperilaist powers
>>which as a matter of fact, is what Mr. Mandela himself has been trying to do
>>for some time..
>
>>Of course, it was up to Mr. Mandela himself to accept the price or not..He
>>refused..In my opinion, he missed the opportunity to have the honour of
>>having a peace price given in the name of a man, who is one of the greatest
>>leaders of this century and represents the prides of the whole Turkish
>>nation..
>
> Go read some before you jump into conclusions. You can start with
> Time's and Newsweeks' issues from 30s. Enlighten yourself. And do not
> talk for the whole Turkish nation. You are not my representative. I
> can speak for myself.
> Speak for yourself, but make sure that when you do, something decent
comes out of your mouth.
>>And about the human rights issue..The Turkish government might not have
>>an admirable track record on this subject, (do not forget the very complex
>>and difficult problems Turkey has..), but it has nothing to do with the price
>>which was being offered in the name of peace..Also, do remember the fact that,
>>the supporters of ANC party opened fire in Johannesburg recently on Inkatha
>>freedom party members and caused many deaths..Does it mean that the head of
>>ANC party Mr. Mandela was in favour of this activity..I doubt it..But,
>>probably it would be told that the conditions has forced this kind of
>>behaviour..
>
> I was listening to a Nobel prize winner author from South Africa. She
> is a white and ANC supporter as far as I could see. She was saying
> blacks did not have any other means to express themselves but
> violence. But now that they are given a chance it will be peaceful. I
> think white supremists bombed an ANC party center in downtown to
> provoke a fight and so to cancel the elections. But so far elections
> ended peacefully. You are wrong about Mandela's views about whites. He
> says they need whites in the country as their countryman and they need
> their help for the country, given the fact that blacks are mostly
> uneducated. Therefore they do not see them as imperialists. And
> Mandela is not fighting for such a cause. Therefore your comparision
> of Mandela is wrong. You cannot compare apples and oranges.
>
>>Mesut
>
> Birol
Arap bilmemneyi yalamaktan utanmiyormusun sen?
Seyhan S.A.
Hakan Birol
>>>That price was for the name of Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the modern
>>>Turkish republic and therefore known as the father of the Turks..
>>
>> Father of what? I am a Turk and he is not my father. This is a terrible
>> insult to great many Turks. Please apologize.
>>
>
> Not all people have fathers.
>
> But it's not your fault Hakan.
So, is Kemal your father too Sinan? Good boy!!!
Birol