Expose' of "The Armenian Genocide of The Turks/Kurds/Jews" Continues
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan2.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: Turkozu, H. K. (ed.); "Ottoman and Russian Documents on the
Massacres Committed by the Armenians Against the Turks,"
(Ankara, 1982).
p. 35.
"When nationalists started an armed defense against such Armenian
atrocities in Maras, Mustafa Kemal stated the following about the
Armenian massacres of the Muslims:
'Armenians who are armed by the French forces who have occupied the
southern areas are brought together under the protectorate of France.
They are attacking the Muslims in their vicinity with a desire for
genocide and are resorting to a merciless policy of murders and
massacres. The Armenians who collaborated with the French forces of
General Keret razed to the ground an ancient Muslim city like Maras
and tortured and slaughtered thousands of defenseless mothers and
children. Armenians are responsible for this savagery unprecedented
in history, and the Muslims fought against them and defended
themselves to preserve their honor and lives...'
Admiral Bristol followed closely the events in the Cilicia region
because he was in contact with the American representatives who
witnessed the events. The reports that he sent to Washington D.C.
show how accurate Mustafa Kemal's observations were. What is more,
the French Commander-in-Chief in Syria and High Commissioner
General Gouraud also wrote to Paris about the massacres committed
by the Armenians, and his reports serve to corroborate Mustafa
Kemal's statements."
(to be continued...)
"Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them and in whatever
circumstances you find them. Turkish children also should be
killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation."
(Slogan of the Armenian Committees in 1914)
"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as
ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work
of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts
into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable
and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets
completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They
found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border
into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole
length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to
Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain
plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of
Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for
howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
scattered bones of the dead."
(An Armenian officer who participated in "The Armenian Genocide of
the Muslims")
Hasan B-) Mutlu
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan2.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, "Russian View on the Atrocities Committed
by the Armenians Against the Turks," Ankara University, Ankara,
1987, pp. 45-53.
Picture: Corpses of massacred Turkish women and children by Armenian
genocide squads in Erzurum.
"Acting Commander of Erzurum and Deveboynu regions and Commander of the
Second Erzurum Artillery Regiment Prisoner of War, Lieutenant Colonel
Twerdokhlebof:
In the villages whose inhabitants had been massacred, there was a
natural silence. On the night of 26/27 February, the Armenians deceived
the Russians, perpetrated a massacre and escaped for fear of the
Turkish soldiers. Later, it was understood that this massacre had
been based upon a method organized and planned in a circular.
The population had been herded in a certain place and then killed
one by one. The number of murders committed on that night reached
three thousand. It was the Armenians who bragged about the details
of the massacre. The Armenians fighting against the Turkish soldiers
were so few in number and so cowardly that they could not even
withstand the Turkish soldiers who consisted of only five hundred
people and two cannons, for one night, and ran away. The leading
Armenians of the community could have prevented this massacre.
However, the Armenian intellectuals had shared the same ideas with
the renegades in this massacre, just as in all the others. The lower
classes within the Armenian community have always obeyed the orders
of the leading Armenian figures and commanders."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <73...@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk>,
ja...@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>..................I haven't read any Armenian Revolutionary Federation
>stuff, but I have read a couple of ASALA papers and they don't sound
>like anybody posting here on either side. If anyone out there has
>access to Armenian RF statements it might be interesting to see them
>posted in extenso, as source material of a rather more currently
>relevant vintage that most of what gets dredged up.
The Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) or Dashnaktzoutyoun was
born in Tiflis (Erivan) in 1880 by the socialist leadership of the
Revolutionary Armenians. A good account of its history, constitution,
and defense for supremacy among other Armenian political parties can
be found in the book by a comrade Dashnak scholar, Sarkis Atamian,
"The Armenian Community," (circa 1955). Throughout its long history,
the ARF has done little good for the Armenian community at large.
Its strong socialist political base and tilt has split the community
and caused much internal strife, at times with significant bitterness
and bloodshed. Its evil to the Armenian community at large is put forth
by several authors, among them most convincingly the Armenian writers
themselves, i.e., K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," and
H. Katchaznouni, "The ARF Has Nothing To Do Anymore," and L. Nalbandian,
"The Armenian Revolutionary Movement." Regardless, ARF has remained
stubbornly unchanged in its stance and tactics up to the present.
Several reformist resolutions proposed at its World Congress conventions
to make ARF more palatable to the Armenian community as well as to the
outside world always met defeat at the hands of majority hardliners.
For example, there was a move to delete from its bylaws the `Revolutionary
ideology` and the `arm of terror` as a means to achieve its goals as
early as the 9th World Congress. It got nowhere. Despite the bitter
defeats ARF has experienced throughout its existence, the party fathers
seem to favor staying loyal to the original precepts, in dogma and
execution, drawn in the 19th century and undaunted by the realities
that the intervening century brought about in the globe's socio-political
makeup. Changes, if any, in the character of the party have been toward
more `hardening`. This manifest hardening appears to be closely related
to the developments in the Middle East in particular and in the Western
societies in general during the last decade or so.
On the one hand, the ARF hierarchy is being staffed by the more
militant, more leftist, and younger displaced Lebanese Armenians
ever since the regional disruptions in that area in the 70s.
On the other hand, the emergence of the Marxist-Leninist terrorist
groups in the Middle East, Europe, and the U.S.A. since the 70s
have provided an opportunity for the Armenian extremists and the ARF
party to join hands with them in a pact of solidarity for collective
disruptive hardline acts. A terror network exists on a global scale;
each segment of it with its own set of goals and targets, but working,
assisting collectively in providing the means, the intelligence, and
the logistics to each other.
The ARF appears to have seized the opportunity provided by these
developments, but not without paying some price for it. For one
thing, fragmentation in its ranks is more prevalent than ever. There
is a steady clash between the traditional ARF socialists and the new
breed extreme leftists, as well as the true Marxist-Leninist factions
(ASALA and several splintered groups from ASALA and other such
Lebanese-Syrian based Armenian terrorist fractions). For another, the
ARF's hardened policies during the last decade and its obvious link
to worldwide terror network have not paid dividends. Quite the contrary,
it has made "Armenian" synonymous with "terrorist" or "assassin,"
a hardly acceptable image for the urbanized, well-educated Armenian
masses. The end result of this, many western countries, including the
U.S.A. and even a country like France which was traditionally
sympathetic toward the Armenian terrorism even at its head-of-state
level, seem now to have taken hard and proper measures to prevent
further Armenian terrorism. Currently, overt and covert support
for it seems to be confined to the socialist third world countries
and some of the Soviet Bloc countries. Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria,
Syria, and Lebanon appear to be the springheads of the present-day
Armenian extremes orchestrated by ARF and/or other Armenian factions
including the traditionally politicized Armenian church.
The brief status summary presented above can be further substantiated
by a very illuminating document recently come to light in the
Armenian press. The ARF in 1985 convened its 23rd World Congress.
The party Platform from this Congress was published in the
July 9-23 issue of Droshag (Flag), the periodical of the central
organ of ARF in Geneva, Switzerland. The Platform has been translated
into English by "The Hairenik Weekly," the English-language periodical
of ARF in Boston, MA. This platform is a very significant document
worthy of close examination.
(To be continued...)
hasan.b.mutlu
>..................I haven't read any Armenian Revolutionary Federation
>stuff, but I have read a couple of ASALA papers and they don't sound
>like anybody posting here on either side. If anyone out there has
>access to Armenian RF statements it might be interesting to see them
>posted in extenso, as source material of a rather more currently
>relevant vintage that most of what gets dredged up.
The editor of "The Hairenik Weekly" puts the basis for the Political
Platform determined by the Congress as follows:
"These decisions are based on the evaluation of the operation of the
ARF and the problems of the Armenian people on all levels over the
four years preceding the 1985 World Congress and determine the
direction of the following four years."
The platform stresses focus on all out HAI TAHD (Armenian Cause) campaign.
This term as a class action is not new, and one comes across it in
H. Katchaznouni's Manifesto of 1923. However, there appears to be a renewed
emphasis on it.
In the following, I will attempt a brief review and analysis of this
Political Platform in its highlights. In the review, I will follow the
same subtitles as appear in its text.
In defining the HAI TAHD, we come across the following statements:
"1. Definition of the Armenian Cause:
A. As a result of international relations based on speculative
interests and imperialist aims of the superpowers of the East and
West in relation to the Middle East."
"1. The principal political aim of the 'ARF' remains the
realization of a free, independent and integral Armenia,
encompassing the Wilsonian boundaries."
Further down in the Platform, we find the following:
"2. EXTERNAL FRONT:
A. On the road to the resolution of the Armenian Cause, our
enemy is Turkey ....
B. At the present phase of the efforts toward the resolution
of the Armenian Cause, American and generally Western imperialism
is clearly opposed to us ...."
One can see from the above paragraph that ARF characterizes the U.S.A. as
an "imperialistic superpower" certainly in line with the common denigrating
jargon of the socialistic world politics.
And still further down in the Platform, we find:
"STRATEGIC PRINCIPLES
D. The ARF accepts that based on external political conditions
and the opportunities they offer, the resolution of the Armenian
Cause can take place in stages, while our strategic goal remains
the creation of a free, independent, and integral Armenia, and
each success constitutes a temporary stage of the struggle."
These chilling statements from ARF should be hammered into the heads of
some less perceptive elements of the U.S. State Department as well as each
and every member of the U.S. Congress and particularly those Senators who
have traditionally championed every pro-Armenian resolution in the U.S.
Congress and defended them as "harmless, humanitarian instruments to be
a case in point for men's inhumanity to man" (names are available upon request.)
The message of these statements is one and the same as the one that the
lobbying arm of ARF, namely the Armenian National Committee (ANC), declared
as a unified resolution in the past (reference is available). The Armenian
territorial claim from Turkey, a NATO country, to be annexed to the Soviet
Armenian Republic is the sole underpinning and essence of all the ARF efforts.
Any member of the U.S. Congress who argues otherwise is a mere "babe in the
woods," putting it candidly.
Another point to note seriously in the text of the Platform is of course the
strong socialist-leftist link of the party with its jargon of "American and
generally Western imperialism ..." It is a fact that, as mentioned earlier,
the new ARF ranks are heavily infiltrated by the hardliner, Middle East based,
displaced Armenians with strong leftist allegiance. Furthermore, the new
cadre of intelligentsia that the ARF has cultivated in the American institutes
of higher learning was also recruited from a recent, young, and militant
Middle Eastern (mostly Lebanese and Syrian) immigrant wave of Armenians who
were born and raised in environments where no law and order existed or exists
and being a Marxist or Leninist has been the way of life. They are further
nourished with primary and secondary education either solely supported by
the radical Armenian church in the Middle East or by special institutions
of learning that ARF planted there. In return, ARF is guided and
indoctrinated by the outpouring of anti-Turkish, anti-Western, and strongly
leftist literature produced by the current 170 or 180 of these so-called
new generation of Armenian academicians with vague scholarly achievements
and credentials in the fashion of a rejuvenated, exclusive, and fraternal
Wellington House. An ever expanding vortex of yellow press against Turks!
Further in the text of the Platform, one finds the following words:
"STRATEGIC PRINCIPLES
1. It is equally essential to bring youth into our ranks; to
give shape to its ideological character through healthy ARF education;
to politicize and revolutionize the ranks of ARF and especially the
ARF youth organizations; and to develop our people's political
consciousness, militant spirit, and atmosphere of liberation
struggle and revolution, in order to utilize every force toward
resolution of the Armenian Cause."
Needless to say, this paragraph of the Political Platform reinforces what
is said above regarding the militant, propagandistic, academic machination
to indoctrinate ARF and its youth. The buzz words here are "healthy ARF
education, politicize and revolutionize, militant spirit," and "utilize
every force." The ARF's youth man the Justice Commandos of Armenian
Genocide (JCAG) principally and some of the other ASALA factions. The youth
is subjected to military training in special summer camps in the Middle
East, and we have seen during the last decade an ample display of the
terror that the youth is taught to inflict both in hard and soft forms.
With this program to continue up to the 1990s, the ARF is vowing to follow
the same path in all possible forms.
hasan.b.mutlu
>..................I haven't read any Armenian Revolutionary Federation
>stuff, but I have read a couple of ASALA papers and they don't sound
>like anybody posting here on either side. If anyone out there has
>access to Armenian RF statements it might be interesting to see them
>posted in extenso, as source material of a rather more currently
>relevant vintage that most of what gets dredged up.
Under the "Strategical Proposals" of the Platform, we read the following:
"On the basis, the ARF proposes the following:
A. Force Turkey to change its inflexible position and comply with
justice and the recognition of the rights of the Armenian people,
keeping it under pressure in every possible way, striking its
governmental, political, economic and other structures and weakening
its international position and the aid it enjoys.
B. (Note: Item B is missing in the article???)
C. Make the Armenian Cause current and international.
D. Wage propaganda and political struggle against all those states
and powers, which take special efforts to assist Turkey, keep its
present borders intact and improve its economy.
E. Within the bounds of the Armenian national liberation struggle,
establish cooperation with third world states, especially Middle
Eastern states and revolutionary movements, always on the basis of
reciprocal assistance and interests.
F. Attempt to establish mutual understanding and, at least on a
propaganda level, ties of mutual assistance with other national
liberation and revolutionary movements. Whenever suitable, have a
positive stance toward other liberation movements.
G. Establish closer ties with socialistic parties and governments,
in order to keep them well aware of the rights of the Armenian nation
and to secure their positive positions."
Here again, there is much to be learned about ARF's past and future
strategies. First, a censored item "B" has to be deciphered. Second, the
links between the ARF and other socialist world states, as well as other
international terror networks and the ARF's close accord with Greece, Greek
Cyprus, Syria, Bulgaria, and Russia are unraveled. To reinforce the truth
behind these well-meant lines one only has to read the report on a
"Commemorative Event in Athens, Greece, Radical Group Hosts Well-Attended
Solidarity Meeting," "The Armenian Reporter," Thursday, May 1, 1986.
The full text of this report is also available upon request. One
unfortunately reads in this report that Greece had cabinet-level representation
and full political party delegations in this ARF solidarity meeting, along
with attendance by all other Middle Eastern terror factions and the Bulgarian
Ambassador to Greece. The underlying character of all these factions is
their open hostility toward Turkey, the U.S.A., and Israel.
Under the "Fields and Means of Liberation Struggle," one reads the following
important statement:
"4. The deployment of all available economic and technological means
in order to exert additional pressure."
This statement indicates that ARF has no moral constraints or imperatives by
giving blanket blessing to the use of "all technological means" to achieve
HAI TAHD.
The Platform under "International Powers, A. Turkey" lists a large number
of action items, some of which should concern the Turkish government alone.
However, there are dicta there which should properly concern, also, the U.S.A.
as well as the whole free world. For example:
"2. ... However, on both internal and external fronts, HAI TAHD
related propaganda should emphasize our political claims rather
than the genocide, in order to dissipate the externally-inspired
and gradually-expanding mentality that the Armenian people would be
satisfied if Turkey would express its regrets regarding the past and
make merely symbolic amends."
Again, this statement should ring the ears of those members of the U.S.
Congress who unsuspectingly defended H.J. Res 192 on the Congressional
floor on humanitarian grounds alone. CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!
"5. To seek grounds for cooperation with local and other movements
aiming to destabilize Turkey. To cultivate our relations with all
those governments and peoples who have reason to be dissatisfied
with or are hostile to Turkey; to try to identify points of
agreements with Kurdish liberation and Turkish dissident movements.
To fight against the continuation of Turkey's membership in the
European common market."
This paragraph goes a long way to explain why the Armenian terror struck
high tone during and following the Cyprus dispute in the early 70s and how
and why they peaked from 1978 to 1982 as the destabilizing monies and
other logistical suplies kept pouring in to the internationally-connected
terrorist network via the Bulgarian, Russian, Greek, and Syrian connections.
(Again, tens of references are available.) The ARF certainly played and keeps
playing a kingpin role in the orchestration of these destabilization efforts
by their own admission. This is no news to Turks, but there are many
gullible purists in the echelons of the U.S. Government and the U.S. Congress
to dispute it. Do they still need to see the smoking gun?
After reviewing each geopolitical power block separately vis-a-vis HAI TAHD,
the ARF Platform dictates:
"J. The Socialist International - To develop relations with the
socialist international and to establish closer relations with
socialist parties and generally with the socialist world, reintroducing
them to the ARF, with its past and present, and endeavoring to secure
their assistance in the realization of the just rights of the Armenian
people."
The ARF, openly socialistic and leftist with the strong socialist jargon
and dicta in its charter and strong characterization of the U.S.A., Turkey,
and the Western world as "imperialistic," is strangely mute on Jews in
general and Israel in particular. This is, of course, done with deliberate
deception. The ARF has been actively wooing the Jewish support both in the
U.S.A. and in Israel for HAI TAHD. In light of the text of the Platform and
the interpretation thereof, it is obvious and beyond any doubt that the ARF
and Israel belong to opposite political camps. The ARF belonging to the
camp of the "captive nations" is on the side of the PLO as well as all
other Middle Eastern factions opposing Israel's presence and policies.
"K. Practical Methods of Pursuing HAI TAHD ...
2. In the sphere of politics and propaganda, professionalism
in activities is essential ...
3. Where necessary and practical, the ARF Bureau shall establish
HAI TAHD offices. At the same time, the ARF 23rd World Congress
proposes to the regional bodies to establish, where necessary or
possible, local HAI TAHD offices for their own HAI TAHD activities.
4. ... If possible, a system of gradually increasing taxation
will be initiated throughout the Diaspora for the purpose of financing
HAI TAHD activities."
The "taxation" in Article 4 above warrants attention. Tax in sovereign
states can be imposed only by the state via legislative authority. Is
ARF a state within a state? Or, should one surmise that "taxation" really
means "extortion" by ARF? In either case, I think, legal vigilance is
warranted.
hasan.b.mutlu
>..................I haven't read any Armenian Revolutionary Federation
>stuff, but I have read a couple of ASALA papers and they don't sound
>like anybody posting here on either side. If anyone out there has
>access to Armenian RF statements it might be interesting to see them
>posted in extenso, as source material of a rather more currently
>relevant vintage that most of what gets dredged up.
From the Political Platform of the 23rd World Congress of ARF, we learn that
ARF has decided to upscale its posture as more of a leftist-socialist,
militant-terrorist organization. The reasons for this appear to be twofold.
First, ARF, both in its executive ranks and in its grass roots, has been
heavily infiltrated by the more militant and extreme leftist Middle East base
younger emigres. Second, ARF's ties with the present surge of worldwide
leftist terrorist network have been consolidated.
ARF in its Political Platform implicates the U.S.A. and the West as
"imperialistic, capitalist" systems opposing HAI TAHD. It vows allegiance to
leftist-socialist systems and governments. It vows to work closely with the
third world countries, captive nations, and all other Revolutionary and
terrorist factions opposing Turkey. It vows to fight Turkey and anything Turkish
in all fronts with all "technological means," none barred. It makes a big pitch
about "awakening the conscious of its youth." A new parallel program, possibly
modeled after PLO, is the installation of HAI TAHD centers around the world to
take the Armenian Case to the political-judicial fora. To support HAI TAHD
centers, which will have regional freedom in managing its own affairs, it
proposes a plan to levy a "HAI TAHD tax" on all Armenians. Furthermore, ARF
insists on "professionalism" in all of its institutions, rather than a volunteer
basis operation, for better image and impact.
ARF pledges that the ultimate goal is a "free, united, and integral Armenia"
with the liberation of "its historic fatherland" from Turkey. It claims all
this will be achieved in steps, and each step is a building base for the next
stage. The Platform mentions specifically judicial and political claims on the
basis of nearly 70-year-old, still-born Wilsonian principles and the Sevres
agreement. Now, what do we conclude from all this?
ARF's danger can be real and imagined. ARF has been, historically speaking,
long on rhetoric and short on accomplishments. Historically, it has led the
Armenian people from disaster to disaster. Verdict on ARF's crimes and faults
was expressed best by one of its past leaders, H. Katchaznouni, who concluded
by the famous "ARF Has Nothing To Do Anymore" speech at Budapest at the ARF
Party's World Convention in 1923 (which I have posted earlier). Today, despite
the broadened support base for ARF among the Armenian circles, there are
factions in these circles who would like to see ARF leaders taken to a
people's court and punished for their crimes against their own brethren.
This, however, is an unlikely occurrence, because of the way ARF operates.
ARF is a well-trenched, sinister, and vicious organization. It controls by
imposing fear and living up to it. This fanaticism and fatalism is ARF's real
danger. It is precisely for this reason that this Political Platform should be
taken seriously. The real dangers are such that with scaled up programs and
execution, ARF will cause further tragedies on many innocent lives around
the world and particularly on the Turks. This cannot and should not be taken
lightly.
On the imagined dangers, one can safely say that history provides the best
answer again. The Turkish nation belongs to the great nation's club of
history. Great nations are not pulled out of a hat! There are legitimate
historic reasons for their rise to greatness. Such nations have dominated
or shaped man's destiny with great empires; have made noted wars and peaces;
have affected disasters as well as great progresses. At the time of threats
to national existence, such nations have always produced the right leaders
to survive and come up on top. For the Turks, it has always been this way.
Armenians, throughout their history, except for a small kingdom in Cilicia
in ancient time, have never attained independent statehood of any form and,
therefore, lack the traditions and necessary elements and prerequisites
to form governments and maintain sovereign nationhood. Unfortunately, ARF,
in its fanaticism and pathetic lack of self examination, is blind to the
realities of history. Therefore, the imagined dangers of ARF's threats to
Turkey's national security shall be just that, "imagined", in the futile
minds of ARF's leaders.
hasan.b.mutlu
<29131@usc>
ashd...@pollux.usc.edu (Anna Ashdjian)
>Subject: History Speaks for Itself
A very true statement, but since 'asci baci' is so full of hatred for
Turks and Kurds, it really doesn't matter what the people of Turkey
think and articulate or what the truth is. I am still waiting for your
views on the Turkish genocide, which by the way was presented in its
full form and not just quoted in excerpts. To tell the truth, I don't
expect you to believe anything. I fully understand that with some
people, what they believe has nothing to do whatsoever with facts.
However, I expect you to apologize for spreading anti-Turkish propaganda
since what you have stated in your article is a bunch of frenzied
speculation. You apparently take great pride in your superior Aryan
logical thinking, but, like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle, you have made the crucial mistake to think that fabrications,
lies, non-existent quotes and forged documents can be presented and
a cheap anti-Turkish propaganda can be conducted on sct with groundless,
non-supported accusing statements caused by your hate to the people of
Turkey.
Anyway, according to an interview published in "Washington Times" on
October 4, 1990, the recently elected Soviet Armenian president
Levon Ter-Petrossian appears to have finally realized that the
if Armenia was to become an independent state she needed access
to sea, which only Turkey can practically provide. Now, let us
examine the 600,000 Armenian losses during the period of 1915-1922
as stated by Levon Ter-Petrossian publicly in his interview. This
figure is a far cry from much tooted Armenian claim of 1.5 million
deaths allegedly caused by the Ottoman Turks. It represents a whopping
60 percent discount. Or, based on the 600,000 figure the 1.5 million
claim is a gross exaggeration in the order of 150 percent. This gives
an idea as to the reliability of the overall Armenian hoax. It appears,
they finally came to their senses.
On behalf of millions of concerned Turkish people, though, I wish to
continue to set the record straight. The Armenian genocide of the
Muslims occurred during the Armenian uprisings to support Russia in its
war against the Ottoman Empire in the Caucasus. The Armenian
revolutionaries not only attacked Turkish villages, but also massacred
the entire Muslim population of those villages.
During World War I, while Ottoman Empire armies were fighting against
Allied forces on the Western front, the Eastern provinces were being
invaded by Russians. Incited by the Russians, Armenian citizens of the
Ottoman Empire launched an armed uprising to establish an exclusively
Armenian state in an area predominantly non-Armenian. The civil war,
famine and epidemic took heavy tolls on all sides. Armenians suffered,
but almost 3-million Turks also perished, many at the hands of Armenian
insurgents.
The world has been led to believe that the Armenian casualties were
the result of orders by Taalat pasha, minister of interior. In April
1915, Taalat pasha did issue a decree to transfer Armenians from the
war zone to avoid Armenian attacks to the rear of the Ottoman army.
The so-called "Taalat pasha telegrams" ordering the extermination
of Armenians has been proven a forgery.
Following World War I, victorious British authorities arrested 140
high level officials of the defeated Ottoman government for war crimes
against prisoners of war and Armenians. Detainees were deported to the
island of Malta for trial. Searches of Ottoman, British, French and U.S.
archives failed to produce any evidence to prove the alleged crimes
were ever committed.
Sixty-nine American scholars with specialized knowledge of Turkey and
its history, have publicly declared that current, independent
scholarship simply does not support the charge. The rest is nothing but
a well-known anti-Turkish propaganda. According to FBI files Turks have
long been harassed and victimized by terrorism, also in the United
States by Armenians.
As one historian wrote, after some setbacks, the Russian Army managed
to hold far Eastern Anatolia through the end of 1915. In January of
1916 the Russian advanced west and defeated the Ottomans. By April,
1916 they had taken most of Eastern Anatolia. Trabzon, Erzurum, Mush,
Bitlis, and Van all passed under Russian control. The victory of the
Russians were also a victory for the Armenians. Those who had retreated
with the Russians the previous August now returned from Transcaucasia.
It was the turn of the Muslims to flee. Although the Russians kept some
order in the northeastern cities and large towns, Armenian bands were
allowed practically free rein in the southeast, and it was from that
area that the largest number of Muslim migrants and Muslim dead came.
There is no need to go into the details of the pillage and massacre
visited on Muslim villagers in the vast region conquered by the
Russians. Armenian bands were especially responsible. Muslim villagers
told stories of rape, murder, and general inhumanity which can easily
be imagined. Perhaps the best indication of the general tragedy is the
fact that the Muslims of the conquered region were forced to flee their
homes and villages as a body to escape the Armenian fury. The Ottoman
Commission on Refugees enumerated more than 850,000 Muslim refugees
from the Russian conquest. As these were only the officially known
refugees, it seems probable that more than one million Muslims actually
fled. Unfortunately, in the midst of war the Ottoman government was
unable to offer much assistance to the refugees.
The order to deport Armenians came in response to Armenian rebellion in
the East, which included the expulsion from their homes of countless
Turks and Kurds. The first order came on May 27, 1915, after the Van
rebellion of April 13, 1915. Other attacks on Muslims occurred even
earlier.
The Armenians were not the only civilians forced to leave their homes.
Muslims of Eastern Anatolia were forced out just as surely as were
Armenians. The deportations ordered by the Ottoman government may have
looked more official, but the deportations forced by the Russians and
the Armenian bands were just as real. In fact, the worst forced
migrations in the East were those caused by pillage and massacres
committed by the Armenians, not by official actions of the Ottoman
government, and the survival rate was far worse.
The Armenian deportations were publicly announced by the Ottoman
government, which declared them to be necessary expedients of war.
Whether the forced migration of Eastern Anatolian Muslims was an
officially decided policy of the Russian government and the Armenian
revolutionary parties has never been admitted and the documents on
deportation of Muslims from the Russian or Dashnak (Armenian
Revolutionary Federation) archives have never been made available for
neutral study. However, the actions of the Russians and Armenians
appear as if they were part of a plan that had been arranged for
greatest effect.
Laws were passed ordering protective measures for the Armenian
deportees. Ottoman civilian and military officials were tried and
punished. On the other hand, the Russian government and the Armenian
revolutionaries were completely ruthless in forcing the migration of
Muslims. No Russians or Armenians were tried for their genocidal
crimes against Muslims.
>It is very interesting how some people are trying so hard to
>*rewrite history*. I for one, am amazed to see the lengths
>gone by certain individuals in the attempt of cover ups.
>Of course, it would not be fair to the million and half Armenians
>who died for us, to just forget about it, like it never happened. I
>believe in my heart, that if the Genocide against the Armenians
>is not accepted that history has a way of repeating itself. But the
>history is on our side, it definitely is!
Such is the case. That is the whole point you invariably miss. The
history is not on your side; it definitely is not, 'asci baci.' Your
belief is the result of watching Armenian soap operas too much.
During the period of 1914 to 1922, Armenians ordered, incited, assisted
and participated in the genocide of Muslim people because of race,
religion and national origin. Armenians practiced the same cruel
exercise against the Jews during World War II.
In any case, let me further expose one of the most ridiculous hoaxes of
this century.
1. Jews did not establish Jewish armies behind German lines to backstab
Germans and to establish a Jewish State on German soil.
Armenians did establish Armenian armies behind Ottoman lines to
backstab Muslims and to establish an Armenian State on Ottoman soil.
2. Jews did not organize and carry out a general slaughter of the local
Christian population in Hamburg.
Armenians did organize and carry out a general slaughter of the local
Muslim population in Van.
3. Jews did not kill more than 600,000 another minority people in Germany.
Armenians did kill more than 600,000 Kurds in Eastern Anatolia.
4. Jews did not attack Germans and committed outrages against the Christians.
Armenians did attack Ottomans and committed outrages against the Muslims.
5. Jews did not massacre Christians in Germany.
Armenians did massacre Muslims in the Ottoman Empire.
6. Jews did not rob and destroy homes of Germans.
Armenians did rob and destroy homes of Muslims.
7. Jews did not exterminate the entire Christian minority under their control.
Armenians did exterminate the entire Muslim minority under their control.
8. Jews did not traitorously turned German cities over to the Russian invader.
Armenians did traitorously turned Ottoman cities over to the Russian
invader.
9. Jews did not raise an army of one hundred and fifty thousand men to fight
a civil war.
Armenians did raise an army of one hundred and fifty thousand men to fight
a civil war.
10. Jews did not burn thousands of German villages.
Armenians did burn thousands of Muslim villages.
11. Jews did not exterminate Germans in those villages.
Armenians did exterminate Muslims in those villages.
12. Jews did not exterminate Germans in six major German cities.
Armenians did exterminate Muslims in six major Ottoman cities.
13. Jews did not set up clandestine revolutionary organizations and genocide
squads to liberate and possess a Jewish State.
Armenians did set up clandestine revolutionary organizations and genocide
squads to liberate and possess an Armenian State.
14. Jews did not declare war against Germans.
Armenians did declare war against the Ottoman Empire.
15. So, the list goes on...
Source #1: "U.S. Library of Congress: 'Bristol Papers' - General Correspondence
Container #34.
"While the Dashnaks were in power they did everything in the world to keep the
pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars; by committing outrages
against the Moslems; by massacring the Moslems; and robbing and destroying
their homes;....During the last two years the Armenians in Russian Caucasus
have shown no ability to govern themselves and especially no ability to
govern or handle other races under their power."
Source #2: "Adventures in the Near East," by A. Rawlinson, Dodd,
Meade & Co., 1925. (British officer who observed the Muslim genocide)
"...I had received further very definite information of horrors that
had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as
I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their treatment
of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from Zivin that
'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not be left in
independent command of the Moslem population, as, their troops being
without discipline and not under effective control, atrocities were
constantly being committed, for which we should with justice
eventually be held to be morally responsible'."
"...Armenian troops, who, having pillaged and destroyed all the
Moslem villages in the plain...."
"...that in those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been searched
for arms by the Armenians everything had been taken under the cloak of such
search, and not only had many Moslems been killed, but horrible tortures
had been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as to where
valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were aware of the
existence, although they had been unable to find them....to go myself
to certain named villages attacked to obtain evidence of the horrors
which had been committed there."
Source #3: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn, Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York, 1952. (American officer who observed the Muslim genocide)
"...more stories of Armenian murdering Turks when the czarist troops fled
north. My hosts told me of their duty here: to keep tabs on brigands,
Turkish troop shifts, hidden arms, spies - Christian, Red or Tartar -
coming in from Transcaucasus. Then they spoke of the hell that would
break loose if Versailles were to put, as threatened, the six 'Armenian'
vilayets of Turkey under the control of Erevan..........................
An Armenia without Armenians! Turks under Christian rule? His lips
smacked in irony under the droopy red moustache. That's bloodshed - just
Smyrna over again on a bigger scale."
Source #4: F. Kazemzadeh, "The Struggle for Transcaucasia," (New York, 1951),
pp. 69-77.
This three-day massacre is recorded in history as the 'March Events' and
20,000 Turks, old people, women and children lost their lives.
Source #5: Quoted by General Hamelin in a letter to the High Commissioner,
February 2, 1919, in the official history, "Les Armees Francaises au Levant,"
vol. 1, p. 122.
"They [Armenians] burned and destroyed many Turkish villages as punitive
measures in their advance and practically all Turkish villages in their
retreat from Marash"
Source #6: John Dewey, "The Turkish Tragedy", The New Republic, Volume 40,
November 12, 1928, pp. 268-269.
"...that they [Armenians] boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and
fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at
least a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."
Source #7: San Francisco Chronicle, Dec 11, 1983.
Armenians, Turks
This letter is in response to that of L. T. Amirian (Dec. 4). My brother,
Scott Ben Levi, had earlier written on this question (Nov. 24) and he is
quite accurate, as we have researched certain facts and figures and we have
first-hand evidence of Armenian atrocities against our own people which
preceded the so-called "massacre" of Armenians in 1915.
That evidence rests with the few members of our family who witnessed the
murders of 148 members of our immediate family near Erzurum in present-day
Turkey by Armenian Christians bent on destroying anything remotely Jewish
or Moslem. Half of those murders have been avenged, and with the present
policy in Turkey, I feel that our Moslem comrades will avenge the rest of
our departed. I certainly hope so!
If the Armenians feel that they are being singled out, they should sit down
and look into their own history and see what type of havoc they and their
ancestors have perpetrated upon their neighbors, and especially their
Jewish neighbors, since times far in the past - the Bible is a nice accurate
source.
In present times, it is well known that Armenians were in league with Hitler,
who promised them an independent nation in return for helping him to
exterminate Jews.
They (the Armenians) were also hearty proponents of anti-Semitic activity
in league with the Russian communists. Apparently, Armenians have no desire
to admit to their sordid past and present.
As to the Kurds, Mr. Amirian, prove it! While you are at it, prove that
a large-scale massacre against the Armenians occurred. I have my proof and
I don't need your bias.
Elihu Ben Levi
Vacaville
>No one can erase it, rewrite it, brainwashing attempts don't work,
>nothing will change the fact. I think the truth speaks for itself
>and always surfaces no matter what. I have seen the hard work done
>by certain Turkish individuals on this net, to produce so called
>"documents and references" which have been proven time after time
>to be fabricated.
The truth is sometimes hard to swallow. They all have been proven
forgeries, fabrications and lies by many people on this net and
your heroes have been exposed as liars, racists and terrorism
advocates.
After unsuccessful bloody uprisings in 1895 (25,000 Muslim women,
children and elderly people were ruthlessly slaughtered by the
Armenians in Zeytun) and 1909, the revolutionaries' chance came in
1914, when Russia went to war with the Ottoman Empire. Armenian
genocide of the Muslims started in the empire, and Russian arms and
even Russian uniforms appeared from hidden caches. Hundreds of thousands
of Armenians formed themselves into guerilla bands and genocide squads.
The largest city of southeastern Anatolia, Van, was captured by the
Armenian genocide squads in April 1915, and the entire Muslim population
of the city and surrounding villages were massacred. Indeed, an
Armenian newspaper, Gochnak, reported at the time that 'only 1,500
Turks remain in Van. The rest had been slaughtered.' Earlier, the Van
region's leading Armenian representative in the Ottoman Parliament
had called upon Armenians 'to serve as advance units for the Russian
armies' as they invaded Anatolia. The city was held until it could be
turned over to the invading Russian army. Throughout eastern Anatolia,
Armenian genocide squads attacked villagers wherever they found them
as I presented with the original Ottoman documents and foreign accounts.
During World War I, when Ottoman forces were fighting on five fronts,
they also faced an armed uprising of Armenians. At the instigation
and with the support of Czarist Russia, Armenian genocide squads
sought to establish an Armenian state in an area that was predominantly
Turkish.
The British forces occupying Istanbul carried out exhaustive searches
of the Ottoman archives, as well as those of other countries, in an
attempt to substantiate Armenian hoax. After three years, during
which over 100 Ottoman military and political leaders were held in
detention, the British Crown law officers dropped all charges:
Not only was there insufficient evidence to convict anyone of war
crimes, there was no evidence to warrant a trial.
Racist and mentally unstable Henry Morgenthau's absolute reliance
on selected Armenian accounts was naive and credulous. The subsequent
U.S. Ambassador, Admiral Mark Bristol, wrote:
"Unfortunately, the missionaries...tell only one side of the story...
disclosing only the best qualities of the Armenians...without
telling their bad qualities."
The weight of evidence proves clearly that the alleged Ottoman
document of Sept. 16, 1915, is crude forgery. The 1922 British
investigation rejected it as evidence when it was determined
that it had been forged by an Armenian delegation. Its form,
script and phraseology all point to its dubious origins.
Weighted against it is the mass of unchallenged Ottoman documents
demonstrating the Government's resolve to conduct the relocations
under the best conditions attainable.
John Dewey stated that
"the Armenians traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the
Russian invader"
and
"burned at least 100 Turkish villages and exterminated their
population."
As for the quotation(s) from various Armenian terrorist organizations,
surely this is not the first time members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism
Triangle have cited forged documents and fabrications from an unfolding
Armenian propaganda movie script as a historical source.
Armenian guerilla groups carried out their previously declared intention of
attacking the Ottoman Empire while it was engaged in war. At the outset
they developed a plan for an Empire-wide revolt for the purpose of undermining
the Ottoman war effort and enabling Russia to occupy the lands claimed by
the Armenians. Starting already mid-1914, arms and ammunition were distributed
to secret Armenian bands organized in villages in the Eastern part of the
Empire. Soon after the war started, even before the Russian armies invaded
Anatolia, Armenians revolted in the area of Van, massacring most of the
Muslims in the vicinity and establishing their own independent state. As
the Russians occupied Eastern Anatolia in 1914 and 1915, the excesses of the
Armenian 'genocide squads' who accompanied them were so severe that they
had to be retired by the Russians to the rear lines to stop the barbarities.
Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian
armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume
II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."
(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.
"In April 1915, even before the deportation orders were issued, Dashnaks
from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose
33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an
Armenian majority of any city in the Empire... Leaving Erivan on April
28, 1915, only a day after the deportation orders had been issued in
Istanbul and long before news of them could have reached the east,
Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried
out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the
next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the
southern side of the lake."
Source: Hassan Arfa, "The Kurds," (London, 1968), pp. 25-26.
"When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster
of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular
Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of
these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer..
These Armenian volunteers, in order to avenge their compatriots who
had been massacred by the Kurds, committed all kinds of excesses, more
than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in
the eastern vilayets of Turkey."
Sources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), "Islam Ahalinin
Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat," (Istanbul, 1918).
The French version: "Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens
sur la Population Musulmane," (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K.
Turkozu, ed., "Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi," (Ankara,
1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., "Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz," (Ankara,
1974) and, edited by the same author, "Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler -
Derlemeler," (Ankara, 1978). "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...," Vol. 32, 83
(December 1983), document numbered 1881. "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....,"
Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document numbered 1869.
"Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning
with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken
in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army
withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian
massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked
in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places
selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs
were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after
being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part
of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the
cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering
from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived
in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to.
Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not
exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in
Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything
that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them
in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting
on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages
left behind after their occupation of this area."
>Interestingly enough, certain Turkish individuals who claim the
>Armenian Genocide never happened, I did not find one history book that
>did not have an article about the Armenian Genocide. Even a simple
>book like 1991 World Almanac talks about the Genocide against the
>Armenians and the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Of course I did not
>need a book to convince me of that, my grandparents suffered
>tremendously and have survived the Genocide with physical and
>emotional scars carried all their lives.
Millions of Turks lost grandfathers, grandmothers, aunts and uncles at
the hands of Armenian insurgents trying to establish an independent
state in an area where the Armenians were in the overwhelming minority.
Are you selectively deciding that the deaths and sufferings of Turks
and other Moslems at the hands of Armenians is less important than
those of the Armenians? Does the hate-the-Turk bunch know that Turks
were exterminated by the Armenians, or care? Are the deaths of Turks
less valuable than those of Armenians?
The undersigned 95 percent of the American academicians who specialize
in Turkish, Ottoman and Middle Eastern Studies summarize their views on
the Armenian hoax clearly.
"As for the charge of `genocide:` No signatory of this statement wishes
to minimize the scope of Armenian suffering. We are likewise cognizant
that it cannot be viewed as separate from the sufferings experienced by
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the Muslim inhabitants of the region. The weight of evidence so far
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
uncovered points in the direction of serious inter-communal warfare
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(perpetrated by Muslim and Christian irregular forces), complicated by
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
disease, famine, suffering and massacres in Anatolia and adjoining areas
during the First World War. Indeed, throughout the years in question,
the region was the scene of more or less continuous warfare, not unlike
the tragedy which has gone on in Lebanon for the past decade. The
resulting death toll among both Muslim and Christian communities of the
region was immense...[1]"
J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of
the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University.
Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History,
Princeton University.
Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of
the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago.
Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark.
Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at
Los Angeles.
Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research
Institute, University of Pennsylvania.
Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies,
University of Illinois.
Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut.
Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political
Science, City University Graduate School, New York.
John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History,
University of Chicago.
John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of
California at Berkeley.
Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University.
Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University.
Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California
at Los Angeles.
Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.
Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University.
Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts.
Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota.
Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania.
Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.
Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville.
Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon).
Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky.
Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland.
James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan.
.......so the list goes on and on and on.....
[1] "The New York Times" and "The Washington Post," May 19, 1985.
>It is unfortunate that we are called liars for speaking the TRUTH
>and wanting justice done, of course that's natural, what other
>source of defense mechanism can be used to cover up. The Turks
>have harassed the Armenians in the past and still continue to do
>so.
Your article is another installment in the mythical saga contrived
by the Armenian propagandists and terrorists. The whole scenario
is laden with cheap lamentations and whinings - all to elicit undeserved
sympathy from the unwitting public. Yet, one thing you keep forgetting
is that your 'papazyahnisi-like' story cannot stand alone, because it
lacks substance: the truth.
In desperation, the Armenian propagandists and terrorists have used
despicable methods to peddle their concoctions. They launched a
terrorism campaign for more than a decade against the Turks. In the
carnage they staged all over the world, Armenian genocide squads
butchered 73 Turkish diplomats and civilians (four in the United
States), and wounded and maimed hundreds of innocent bystanders.
In the heat of the same desperation, the Armenians curry favor with the
Jewish people to share in the sympathy generated for the Holocaust.
They make attempts to create an image of being victims of a human
tragedy similar to the Holocaust. It is an insult to the 6 million Jews
who perished in the most senseless crime of mankind to be associated
in any way with the Armenians and their genocide squads who exterminated
millions of innocent Muslims and Jews before, during and after World War
I. Besides, the Armenians consider themselves as Aryan race and proud
participants in the extermination of the Jews during World War II.
All the Armenian desperation stems from the sad awareness of time
being not on their side. The Turkish point of view gains strength
and momentum and the Armenian genocide of millions of Muslims is
being established by the majority of the historians. An imaginary
history defiled by the Armenian propagandists and the ASALA/SDPA/ARF
Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle for so long to suit their utopic
designs cannot stand up to the challenge of the truth.
When the Ottoman soldiers entered the city of Erzincan they found all
public and Islamic buildings and more than 1,000 houses demolished by
the Armenians. Hundreds of bodies of Erzincan's Turks were found in the
streets, hundreds more in wells or shallow graves. In other cities the
scenes awaiting the Ottoman soldiers were similar. 400 buildings in
Bayburt had been burned down and hundreds of bodies were in the streets.
Tercan had been completely destroyed by dynamite. In Erzurum, the
greatest city of the east, Ottoman officials estimated that 8,000
Turks had been slaughtered in the city alone. The figure may have been
exaggerated, but the soldiers did count and record each body buried
by them and 2,127 male bodies were buried in the first 8 days.
Out of a sense of decency, the soldiers did not count the female
bodies buried or report what had happened to them.
The atrocities in the cities were repeated in the villages. On the
Armenian line of retreat the Muslims who could not flee were butchered.
Very few houses and no complete villages remained. An Austrian
newspaper reporter, who could not be accused of liking the Russians,
Austria's enemy, stated that the Russians had treated the people of
the region relatively well, but that when Russia collapsed Armenian
genocide squads exterminated the Turks. Dr. Stephan Eshnanic traveled
the region and wrote
"I have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians
at almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and
from Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed."[1]
Turkish refugees, the remainder of the original population, who had
been able to remain during the Russian occupation, now choked the
roads.
It is instructive that American missionaries were allowed by the
Ottomans (and later the Turkish Army) to continue to feed and clothe
Armenian orphans. No record exists of Armenians allowing the same
latitude to Turkish orphans.
[1] Reported to the "Nues Wiener Tagblatt, Prester Lloyd, etc."
Source: Eroglu, Veysel: "Ermeni Mezalimi." Sebil Yayinlari (Istanbul), 1978.
pp. 241-242.
"Among the thousands of victims of the Armenian massacres, the following
innocent Muslims have been identified:
1 - Esraftan Haci Semseddin oglu Tosun Efendi
2 - Hersan mahallesinden Haci Yusuf oglu Abdulbaki Efendi
3 - Haci Hasan oglu Haci Mehmed
4 - Mahmud oglu Nadir Efendi
5 - Cemal Efendi oglu Abdurrazzak Efendi
6 - Mahmud Efendi oglu Dursun Efendi
7 - Recep Efendi oglu Hamid
8 - Bilal Efendi oglu Cemil
9 - Seyh Mehmed Kufrevi oglu Seyh Abdulmalik Efendi
....................................................
Name: Isa oglu Haydar from Bitlis:
Number of loved ones massacred by the Armenians: 28.
>Some of the Turks I know are very understanding and sympathetic
>on the Armenian Genocide issue.
That must be the cute coward lad who does not give a damn about
the genocide of millions of innocent Muslims by the Armenians.
I guess, 'tencere yuvarlanmis, kapagini bulmus.' Treat that poor boy
well, 'asci baci' since he will not get any sympathy from those
who lost their closest ones at the hands of your predecessors.
>It would also not be right to
>continue building hatred between the new generations. What generates
>further hatred, one would ask? Following grandfathers messy
>footsteps.. Lack of communication and unwilling to understand how it
>would be if things were vise versa.
Start with the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terorism and Revisionism Triangle and
the remaining brainwashed Armenian propagandists, 'asci baci.'
In the meantime, try to educate yourself with scholarly works not with
hatred filled propaganda material radiating from the criminal members
of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle.
Some of the established facts:
1. Avowal of Armenian leaders of subversion;
2. The secret alliance with Russia;
3. Raising a secret army of 150,000 men with arms smuggled from Russia;
4. Their rebellion, attack, plunder, mass assassination and genocide of the
Muslim and Jewish residents of thousands of villages;
5. Their attack on the rear of the Ottoman armies while they were
struggling to save their lands from the Russian invasion;
6. Extermination of an entire Turkish population of Armenia by the
Armenians;
7. (list goes on...)
Extracts from the November 1914 issue of the "official Armenian Gazette
Huntchak," published in Paris, France, by the Armenian Revolutionary
Committee of the "Armenian Nation." This was a "call to arms."
"...The entire Armenian nation will join forces, moral and material,
and waving the sword of revolution, will enter this World conflict...
as comrades in arms of the Triple Entente, and particularly Russia.
They will cooperate with the allies, making full use of all political
and revolutionary means for the final victory of Armenia, Cilicia,
Caucasus, Azerbayjan...heroes who will sacrifice their lives for the
great cause of Armenia...Armenians proud to shed their blood for the
cause of Armenia..."
Please note the date. It was even before the declaration of war.
Extracts from a letter dated January 27, 1918, and published in the
London Times on January 30, 1918, signed by Boghos Nubar, the recognized
leader of the Armenian Revolutionary Committee Huntchak to the peace
conference at which the treaty between Turkey and the allies was signed
in Lauzanne, Switzerland.
"...The unspeakable sufferings and the dreadful losses that have
befallen by the Armenian Nation by reason of their faithfulness to the
Allies...The fact well known only to a few that ever since the
beginning of the war, Armenians fought by the side of the Allies on
all fronts...Armenians have been belligerents 'de facto' since their
indignant refusal to side with the Turks...our volunteers fought in
Syria and Palestine (at the time part of the Ottoman Empire) in the
decisive victory of General Allenby...After the breakdown of Russia,
the Armenian legions were the only forces to resist their advances of
the Turks whom they held in check until the armistice was signed. Thus
they helped the British forces in Mesopotamia (at the time also part
of the Ottoman Empire) by hindering the German/Turkish forces from
sending troops elsewhere."
Please note the reference to refusal to side with Turks, the nation
where they were born and which they were a part. There is no claim of
so-called "genocide."
Extracts from the manifesto, delivered by Hovhanes Katchazouni, prime
minister of the Armenian Republic (established after the first World
War) at the convention of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, in
Bucharest, Romania, July 1923. This was the nature of a report.
"...in the fall of 1914, when Turkey had not yet entered the war but
was already making preparations, Armenian revolutionary bands began to
form with great enthusiasm...The Armenian Revolutionary Federation had
active participation in the formation of these bands and the military
action against Turkey...This was an inevitable result of the
psychology on which the Armenian Nation had been nourished during an
entire generation...the winter of 1914 and the spring of 1915 were
periods of great activity, greatest enthusiasm and hopes...We had no
doubt that the war would end with complete victory for the Allies and
Turkey would be defeated and dismembered, and its Armenian population
would at least be liberated...We had embraced Russia wholeheartedly
without any compunction... we believed that the Tsarist government
would grant us self government in the Caucasus and in the Armenian
vilayets (Turkish provinces where many Armenians resided), liberated
from Turkey, as a reward for our loyalty, our efforts and our
assistance. Unfortunately Russia did not keep its word..."
One and a half million Armenians are claimed to have been massacred. The
avowals of their leaders prior to and after the First World War prove
that there had been no massacre - their leaders would have referred to
it or claimed it as their calamity, or at least as their contribution to
the Allied cause. The allegations of massacre and/or "genocide" are a
later invention to compel the new Turkish Republic to cede to them the
five vilayets where they had installed the Armenian Republic, which they
later had to give up the Turkish Republic after a brief war. The
Armenians have ever since been trying to obtain either the territory to
add to the Russian Armenian Republic, or a large sum of money as the
price for stopping the terrorism.
The Armenian people must blame their own blood-thirsty leaders and their
secret revolutionary societies for the subversive actions which led to their
participation in the war with the Allies. They can blame Russia for
reneging on its promise, and the Allies for not giving them due credit
for their help, but they certainly have no reason to blame the Turkish
Republic and/or even the now defunct Ottoman Empire, as their own
leaders have confessed.
>I think in some sence, I do see some progress in the relationship
>between Turks and Armenians. Like a friend of mine said to me "how
>often does a Turk send a Christmas card to an Armenian".
Very often. Please speak for yourself.
hasan.b.mutlu
<35...@ntmtv.UUCP>
nah...@ntmtv.UUCP (Roupen Nahabedian)
>Subject: corARFs
In his typical manner, as I displayed many times on this newsgroup,
with a knee-jerk reaction Nahabed Efendi switches away from the
subject he is uncomfortable with and insults the originator of the
argument. And he hates it when his opponents do the same and call
himself 'Nahabed Efendi.' It seems to me that it is necessary that
you provide acceptable definitions of 'corARFs' that can be applicable
to Mr. Coras. Somehow, I cannot see him either as a 'cor', an 'ARF'
or a 'corARFs'. From the content in his articles, I still fail to see
how you could have made such a subject line. Besides, I have nothing
against you personally (hasa); I must confess a curiosity.
>Keywords: confused!
No doubt about it and I'll let the rest of the net judge this on its
own merits.
A.Coras>
A.Coras> ARF= Armenian Revolutionary Federation
A.Coras>
> WRONG! The "ARF" that Michael was refering to is an _annoying_
> user who frequents t.p.mideast and s.c.jewish and has
> the following signature:
No, you are unconditionally wrong and artlessly knocked at the wrong
door, Nahabed Efendi. As usual, all your article reflects is your
abundant ignorance about the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle. Anyone with an ounce of common sense is too much to expect of
you and I guess, the grapes become black in seeing one another.
ARF = Armenian Revolutionary Federation.
Your theories and myths about ARF don't stand up to the realities on
the ground. It is clear that Mr. Coras was referring to ARF which is
responsible for the genocide of millions of innocent Muslims by the
Armenian genocide squads before, during and after World War I. If you
don't see the asymmetry, then you are suffering from a severe case of
a brain damage at best. I have not seen a single article posted by the
Amateur Radio Forum (ARF) on sct, either. Your statement above is thus
false.
> ...SO SNAP OUT 'F IT...
When you have finished 'snapping out 'f it' I'd suggest you answer the
points Mr. Coras has raised in his articles.
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan4.1...@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>,
ah...@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet) writes:
>Hasan, speaking about dates,
>Source : Saruhan, The Armenian Question and the Armenian National
>Assembly, p.261-262 :
>Memorandum to the Etchmiadzin Catholicosate be forwarded to the Tsar,
>Written by Armenian Assembly under the leadership of the Patriarch
>Nerses and Izmirlian :
>...These reforms should be based on the following principles:
>A.That a majority of the officials responsible for public order should
>be chosen from among the Armenians,
>B.That Armenians should receive regular military training, and
>C.That the Kurds and Circassians should leave their mountain
>strongholds and settle in the towns, and should not, for a certain
>prescribed period, be enrolled in the gendarmerie.
>4.Armenians should be employed in the government service, and,
>particularly in this area, governors and mayors should be chosen from
>among the Armenians. Only after the acceptance and enforcement of
>these principles should the troops of His Emperial Majesty withdrawn."
>THIS MEMORANDUM BELONGS TO FEBRUARY 1878, AT AROUND THE END OF THE
>OTTAMAN-RUSSIAN WAR.THE TERRITORY REFERRED HAS 75% MUSLIM POPULATION.
>(1914-1878=36 years before WW1)
When the Armenian genocide of the Muslims is studied it can be observed
that the Armenian genocide squads, genocide associations and committees
were formed and many plans and programs to massacre millions of Muslims
were already made before World War I, Ahmet. Many Armenians were forced
to betrayal, rising and revolt through brainwashing, force and
traditional Armenian terrorism. Right from the beginning, those who had
common sense enough to predict the results of these genocide plans were
silenced. In the end the genocide squads and traitors discovered the
fact that they had been exploited, but it was too late. Hence, they had
to leave their country where they had been treated as equals for many
years, and wherever they went they have remembered those happy days with
nostalgia. Still it is a fact that the Armenians preferred to live under
Bolshevik flag and iron fist, and they were not forced to do so as U.S.
Ambassador Bristol exposed.
Let's now take Sarkis Atamian's (an Armenian Dashnak sociolog) book,
Ahmet, "The Armenian Community", pages 97 and 105. Year is 1887-88
and Hunchak party was established and in its constitution, Atamian
quotes:
"... the immediate question concerned itself with the organization and
tactics of revolution. The liberation of Armenia, the immediate aim of
the Party, was to be attained by:
1. Oral and written propaganda.
2. Terrorism - both as punishment against the enemy and as a measure
of self defense. (mine: as we have already been observing this
exercise in real form on defenseless innocent people)
3. The creation of an avant-garde of revolutionary groups to be
equipped and prepared for action when other nations were prepared
for a general uprising.
4. The organization of larger committees to be in constant contact with
each other and subject to a central body.
5. Organization of units of guerilla fighters."
Atamian continues, same page 97, ... "The most singular feat of the
organization was played in the Sassoun Rebellion of 1894." Now, on page 105,
year 1891, the Dashnak Federation was established by the Armenians and
Atamian's book quotes of its constitution:
"... If the means was revolution, how was the revolution to be attained?
By:
1. Propaganda (mine: as we still enjoy the continuation of this effort
of frustration on this net)
2. Preparation of combat units and their indoctrination
3. Encouragement of the revolutionary morale of the people
4. The arming of the people
5. Organization of revolutionary committees
6. Espionage throughout the country and the exchange of information with
the official bodies and journals
7. Organization of financial zones for public collection
8. 'Fighting and using' the weapon of the terror on corrupt government
officers, spies, traitors, grafters, and all sorts of oppressors
9. Defense of the people against attacks from the brigandry
10. Building of roads for the transport of arms
11. Wrecking and looting of governmental institutions."
I guess, the truth speaks for itself.
After countless rebellions throughout the Ottoman Empire between 1894
and the WWI, finally in 1915, the Armenian Armies joined forces with
the invading Russian Armies to capture Eastern Anatolia and massacred
the Muslim populations of six major cities. And, in its barest form,
this is the truth backed by documents not by hatred filled propaganda.
The 1.5 million Armenian casualty figure is a cliche' resulting from
open bidding by zealot propagandists. Serious research unequivocally
proves that the total Armenian population in the whole Ottoman Empire
did not exceed 1.3 million prior to 1915.
No stronger racial hatred seems to exist today as you also clearly
witness on this net than the one harbored by the Armenian propagandists
against the Turks. Many of the recent Armenian terrorist acts against
the Turkish diplomats were committed by the brainwashed members of
the "Tzeghagron", namely, "race-worshippers" of the Dashnag Youth
Organization. Ironically, again, Tzeghagron was set up by an undisputed
Armenian Nazi, Karekin Nejdeh, in 1941 (see Atamian, loc cit, page 389).
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan2.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: Uras, Esat: "The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question."
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.
p. 884.
"...It was under these circumstances that the Armenian rebellion broke
out in April 1915. The rebellion, which lasted until August, seemed to
follow a course parallel to the one outlined in the protocol mentioned
above. One was continually coming across Armenians cutting off
telegraph lines, and when asked why they were doing this, they would
invariably reply they had been ordered to do this by the Russians. When
the Russians launched an offensive on the front, the Armeniand would
revolt in the rear. Indeed, there were also revolts far inside the
country, in places as remote as Sebinkarahisar. There were in fact very
few Ottoman forces in the rear of the army. In Istanbul, too, an
Armenian revolutionary movement was discovered."
(to be continued...)
Roupen Nahabedian
>
><35...@ntmtv.UUCP>
>nah...@ntmtv.UUCP (Roupen Nahabedian)
>
RN>>Subject: corARFs
HBM>
HBM>In his typical manner, as I displayed many times on this newsgroup,
HBM>with a knee-jerk reaction Nahabed Efendi switches away from the
HBM>subject he is uncomfortable with and insults the originator of the
HBM>argument.
There was NO "insult" intended in this instance. I was amazed
to see how Coras managed to read the Armenian Rev.Fed. (ARF)
*INTO* Russ Nelson's message when what Nelson was CLEARLY
referring to was a whole different thing...knee-jerk?
HBM>And he hates it when his opponents do the same and call
HBM>himself 'Nahabed Efendi.' It seems to me that it is necessary that
HBM>you provide acceptable definitions of 'corARFs' that can be applicable
HBM>to Mr. Coras. Somehow, I cannot see him either as a 'cor', an 'ARF'
HBM>or a 'corARFs'. From the content in his articles, I still fail to see
HBM>how you could have made such a subject line. Besides, I have nothing
HBM>against you personally (hasa); I must confess a curiosity.
HBM>
see above.
HBM>A.Coras>
HBM>A.Coras> ARF= Armenian Revolutionary Federation
HBM>A.Coras>
HBM>
RN>> WRONG! The "ARF" that Michael was refering to is an _annoying_
RN>> user who frequents t.p.mideast and s.c.jewish and has
RN>> the following signature:
HBM>
Some thoughts about your reply...
1.
HBM>No, you are unconditionally wrong
I guess becuase Mutlu said so...
2.
HBM>and artlessly knocked at the wrong door,
an over-used Mutlu-phrase...get a new one!
3.
HBM>Nahabed Efendi.
...the usual name-calling. Nothing new!
4.
HBM>As usual, all your article reflects is your
HBM>abundant ignorance about the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
HBM>Triangle.
more cliches! The sole point of my original message to Coras
was about his misinterpretation of "ARF" (see above).
Ignorance shmignorance, what are you talking about?
5.
HBM>Anyone with an ounce of common sense is too much to expect of
HBM>you
huh? Incoherent slander!
6.
HBM>and I guess, the grapes become black in seeing one another.
Thanks for the "cute" folkloric saying. It contributes
nothing to your argument, BUT, we should be used to that
by now...
HBM>
HBM>ARF = Armenian Revolutionary Federation.
HBM>
HBM>Your theories and myths about ARF don't stand up to the realities on
HBM>the ground.
What "theories"? Who presented any theories, postulates, or
axioms about the ARF here? What are you talking about?
HBM>It is clear that Mr. Coras was referring to ARF which is
HBM>responsible for the genocide of millions of innocent Muslims by the
HBM>Armenian genocide squads before, during and after World War I.
I don't doubt that Coras was referring to the Arm. Rev. Fed.
but the fact that it had NO RELATION to Russ Nelson's or
Friedman's ARF reference seems to have escaped you...
HBM>If you
HBM>don't see the asymmetry, then you are suffering from a severe case of
HBM>a brain damage at best.
duuuuh...Big words like "asymmetry" but the sentence still
amounts to nonsense...
>I have not seen a single article posted by the
>Amateur Radio Forum (ARF) on sct, either. Your statement above is thus
>false.
I said that ARF (Schmedling) often posts in s.c.j and
t.p.mideast (see above)...Who said anything about ARF posting
in s.c.turkish? *AGAIN*, what are you talking about?
[...deleted...]
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan3.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: Hocaoglu, M.; "Archival Documents on the Massacres
Committed by the Armenians Against the Turks,"
(Istanbul, 1976).
p. 54.
It is recorded in official Ottoman publications that even before the
Ottomans entered the war, British, French and even Italian Consuls,
in addition to the Russians were helping the Armenian revolutionary
committees to communicate with the outside world and were assisting
them with money, arms, etc.:
'Heads and members of foreign missions served them as excellent spies
on our political and military situation.'[1]
The report goes on to say:
'While Armenians in foreign countries were being armed with the help
of the Consuls of these countries and were rushing to the Caucasian
and Iranian borders as vengeance regiments, and while Armenian
soldiers in the Ottoman army were deserting their units to join the
enemy with their arms, civilian Armenians began to arm and to start
rebellions in every region in order to utilize their national
resources in hastening the victory of the Allies and in pulling
down the Ottoman Government which they believed could live only for
a few more days'[2]
[1] "Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal...," p. 161, BBA, the Ministry of the
Interior, Directorate General of Security, K: 47, 22 November 1914.
It is also noted in the same file that there were wireless sets in
Armenian schools (17 November 1914).
[2] "Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal...," p. 161; "Askeri Tarih Belgeleri,"
Vol. XXXII, 83 (December 1983), documents numbered 1899-1915.
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan4.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, "Russian View on the Atrocities Committed
by the Armenians Against the Turks," Ankara University, Ankara,
1987, pp. 45-53.
Picture: Corpses of massacred Turkish women and children by Armenian
genocide squads in Erzurum.
"Acting Commander of Erzurum and Deveboynu regions and Commander of the
Second Erzurum Artillery Regiment Prisoner of War, Lieutenant Colonel
Twerdokhlebof:
I do not like to give the impression that all Armenian intellectuals
were accessories to these murders. No, for there were people who
opposed the Armenians for such actions, since they understood that
it would yield no result. However, such people were only a minority.
Furthermore, such people were considered as traitors to the Armenian
cause. Some have seemingly opposed the Armenian murders but have
supported the massacres secretly. Some, on the other hand, preferred
to remain silent. There were certain others, who, when accused by
the Russians of infamy, would say the following: 'You are Russians.
You can never understand the Armenian cause.' The Armenians had a
conscience. They would commit massacres and then would flee in fear
of the Turkish soldiers.
The incidents that occurred only recently clearly manifest the real
nature of the Armenian ideology. Nothing which is already done can
be undone. The Armenians have sowed the seeds of havoc, but they
have forgotten that they will ultimately reap the whirlwind."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan5.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: Uras, Esat: "The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question."
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.
p. 907.
"In all the occupied territory from which the Russians were withdrawing,
the Turks were exposed to attacks by the Armenians, who were attempting
to take over the administration. The Turkish population was forced to
leave their homes and flee. There were large number of unwarranted
arrests and many were killed. Antranik arrived in Erzurum as a general
in Russian uniform to take over the defence of the city, and he was
joined there by Doctor Zavriev, who had previously been appointed
Deputy Governor-General of the occupied provinces. The atrocities and
massacres committed by the Armenians continued in their fury."
hasan.b.mutlu
<35...@ntmtv.UUCP>
nah...@ntmtv.UUCP (Roupen Nahabedian)
RN>>Subject: corARFs
HBM>
HBM>In his typical manner, as I displayed many times on this newsgroup,
HBM>with a knee-jerk reaction Nahabed Efendi switches away from the
HBM>subject he is uncomfortable with and insults the originator of the
HBM>argument.
> There was NO "insult" intended in this instance.
Your saying it is "NO insult" doesn't change the facts, Nahabed Efendi.
Again, what evidence is there that "Coras" is equivalent to "corARFs?"
> I was amazed
> to see how Coras managed to read the Armenian Rev.Fed. (ARF)
> *INTO* Russ Nelson's message when what Nelson was CLEARLY
> referring to was a whole different thing...knee-jerk?
On the contrary, I was amazed to see how you and your hero managed to
read the Amateur Radio Forum (ARF) into Coras' poster when Mr. Coras
was clearly referring to the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
Triangle. Myopia? Your inability to distinguish between 'Armenian
Revolutionary Federation" and "Amateur Radio Forum" is incredible.
Still, that blind spot is typical of you and those who try to cover
up and apologize for the Armenian genocide of millions of Muslims.
Besides, I wouldn't ask or expect a reasonable person to accept your
excuse for the subject line at par value.
HBM>And he hates it when his opponents do the same and call
HBM>himself 'Nahabed Efendi.' It seems to me that it is necessary that
HBM>you provide acceptable definitions of 'corARFs' that can be applicable
HBM>to Mr. Coras. Somehow, I cannot see him either as a 'cor', an 'ARF'
HBM>or a 'corARFs'. From the content in his articles, I still fail to see
HBM>how you could have made such a subject line. Besides, I have nothing
HBM>against you personally (hasa); I must confess a curiosity.
HBM>
> see above.
The above explanation seems to agree with our version of the ARF.
Again, the question at hand is whether the ARF in Coras' article refers to
the "Armenian Revolutionary Federation" or not. And the answer is as clear as
Marmaris water.
HBM>A.Coras>
HBM>A.Coras> ARF= Armenian Revolutionary Federation
HBM>A.Coras>
HBM>
RN>> WRONG! The "ARF" that Michael was refering to is an _annoying_
RN>> user who frequents t.p.mideast and s.c.jewish and has
RN>> the following signature:
HBM>
> Some thoughts about your reply...
Thanks for sharing with us.
>1.
>HBM>No, you are unconditionally wrong
> I guess becuase Mutlu said so...
I beg to differ. Because you screamed so, ('WRONG!')
>2.
>HBM>and artlessly knocked at the wrong door,
> an over-used Mutlu-phrase...get a new one!
This is utter assertion, without even a hint of factual data to confirm it.
Then again why not? To put it bluntly, you royally screwed up.
>3.
>HBM>Nahabed Efendi.
> ...the usual name-calling. Nothing new!
Learned from you and your buddies at the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and
Revisionism Triangle.
>4.
HBM>As usual, all your article reflects is your
HBM>abundant ignorance about the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism
HBM>Triangle.
> more cliches! The sole point of my original message to Coras
> was about his misinterpretation of "ARF" (see above).
I still fail to see your point above.
> Ignorance shmignorance, what are you talking about?
Your ignorance about the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle.
>5.
HBM>Anyone with an ounce of common sense is too much to expect of
HBM>you
> huh? Incoherent slander!
> Thanks for the "cute" folkloric saying. It contributes
> nothing to your argument, BUT, we should be used to that
> by now...
> What "theories"? Who presented any theories, postulates, or
> axioms about the ARF here? What are you talking about?
> I don't doubt that Coras was referring to the Arm. Rev. Fed.
> but the fact that it had NO RELATION to Russ Nelson's or
> Friedman's ARF reference seems to have escaped you...
> duuuuh...Big words like "asymmetry" but the sentence still
> amounts to nonsense...
> I said that ARF (Schmedling) often posts in s.c.j and
> t.p.mideast (see above)...Who said anything about ARF posting
> in s.c.turkish? *AGAIN*, what are you talking about?
Sigh. Exactly what are these 'coherent slanders' of which you speak?
Indeed, as has been pointed out above, the content of your article
evidences a strong blunder. In fact, you provided no proof for your
slander.
>[...deleted...]
Grand. Now, let me get back to the real issue at hand, that is the
wholesale extermination of millions of Muslims by the Armenian genocide
squads before, during and after World War I.
Source: Kazim Karabekir, "Istiklal Harbimiz," Istanbul, 1969.
p. 71.
"1. Those individuals who have escaped in order to save their lives, have
reported that the Armenians have begun to destroy by massacres the
Muslim inhabitants of Kagizman and its vicinity.
2. The Armenians have attacked Kurudere, have killed 5 men and 3 women,
and taken along 33 men, 1 bride, 1 girl, and 440 head of cattle.
3. It is known that on July 4th, they attacked four villages under the
jurisdiction of Akcakale between Kars and Oltu, and have killed all the
inhabitants of one, and have taken 60 men from each other village, and
butchered them. The Armenians who attacked these villages made use of
five cannons, and seven machine guns. The Commander of this force was
someone named Arshak.
4. In the village of Yuzkus, the Armenians abducted the sister, wife,
and daughter of a Muslim.
5. The Armenians are continuing to massacre Muslims in the vicinity of
Karakut."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan6.2...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: Uras, Esat: "The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question."
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.
p. 877.
"In that case the most reliable way of finding the truth is to ask the
Armenians themselves, particularly the Dashnaktsutiun, to give an
account of what happened and call upon them to describe their activities.
In the valley of Mus there were about 7,000 armed Armenians, who were
dispersed over several villages. Many refused to obey the call to the
Turkish army. Sasun contributed neither soldiers nor any other help.
Moreover, the inhabitants killed the Kurdish officials who had been
sent to recruit young men from the area. Trained Armenian youth were
in fact waiting for the Russian troops to advance in order to raise
the standard of revolt"
(to be continued...)
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan6.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
It is on the record that the British said to local Armenians, 'You kill
the Muslims and we will supply you with arms and ammunition.'[1]
Armenian volunteers concentrated at the Turkish border in Caucasia,[2]
and then attacked Van,[3] Bitlis,[4] Nakhichevan,[4] Beyazit,[5] and
Kars and Erzurum.[6] The Commander fo the 15th Army Corps wrote that Armenian
units had attacked many Turkish villages with artillery and machine guns,
that the local people's goods and animals had been usurped, that young women
had been taken away, the women and children had been tortured to death in
the mountains, that these attacks on the properties, lives and honor of the
Muslims were still being perpetrated.[7]
[1] BBA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, 212/404, 6 October 1904-1919.
[2] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Sifre Kalemi: 20.vi.1919, 86/53/40.59.
[3] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Kalem-i Mahsus, November 1335 (1919), document
no. 8339/98.
[4] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Kalem-i Mahsus, 28.viii.1919. cipher no. 7620.
[5] Belgelerle Ermeni Sorunu (Ankara, 1983), p. 370.
[6] Ibid., p. 371.
[7] For information on the Armenian genocide of the Muslims: Islam Ahalinin
Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat, 1919.
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan6.2...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla
Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982.
"Document No: 76," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer
No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53.
(To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section,
Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie)
Picture: Heaped corpses of slaughtered Turkish children by Armenian
genocide squads in Erzincan.
'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin,
'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul.
"They had told me how Armenian gangs murdered 360 Turkish prisoners of war
in Kars and Alexanderpolis. Russian officers tried to save the Turks and
there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs. I am now
in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is destroyed.
The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are speculations
that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as well, I
could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is proof
of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan6.2...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: Uras, Esat: "The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question."
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.
p. 695.
"The slogan of the committee ran: "Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them
and in whatever circumstances you find them. Kill all backsliders, traitors
and informers. Take Revenge!
The first aim of the Dashnaktsutiun was the instigation of internal revolt.
It was hoped that this would lead to the same results as had been achieved
in Bulgaria and the Lebanon."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan6.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)
From "Foreword:"
"For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar mosque, the most
habitable building of a destroyed village, near the border of Persia and
Russian Armenia. During the course of evening I asked Ohanus if he could tell
me anything of the history of the village and the cause of its destruction.
In his matter of fact way he replied, Yes, I assisted in its sack and
destruction, and witnessed the slaying of those whose bones you saw to-day
scattered among its ruins."
hasan.b.mutlu
<35...@ntmtv.UUCP>
nah...@ntmtv.UUCP (Roupen Nahabedian)
>A.Coras>
>A.Coras> ARF= Armenian Revolutionary Federation
>A.Coras>
>
>RN> WRONG! The "ARF" that Michael was refering to is an _annoying_
>RN> user who frequents t.p.mideast and s.c.jewish and has
AC>
AC>Wrong Ronald Duck, I was the first to mention ARF. Mr. Friedman
AC>misunderstood it and I am correcting, do you mind?
> ...name-call all you want, Coras.
Here we have selective reading. You are not sticking to the original question,
Nahabed Efendi. Again, how can you claim with such a great confidence that
Coras is name-calling and at the same time be unable to give us even a vague
idea why you called him 'corARFs?' I think I have a right to be sceptical
because by now I have read your non-points and speculations about the people
of Turkey.
> You're simply parading
> your "talents" for the NET to view...
C'mon, you still haven't corrected yourself. Adults must bear the
responsibility for their actions, otherwise, people will think you're
some looney howling in the wires.
AC>The content is quite clear from fellow
AC>organizations of ARF which are ASALA and SDPA. Altogether forming the
AC>"Terrorism/Revisionism Triangle".
> Once again, I cann't quite make out the point behind
> this incoherent sentence. But, again, the following
> is a quote from Jack Campin's message (article #3576 s.c.t):
>"This is an unpleasant misunderstanding in the making. Russ Nelson
> described A. Coras as "sounding like ARF"; what he meant was Jack
> Schmidling, frequent poster to tal.politics.mideast and talk.politics.misc,
> who calls himself ARF for Amateur Radio Forum (apparently a one-man
> organization)."
Don't blame us for owning your own brain, Nahabed Efendi. It is likely
that your 'imperfect memory' (which cannot remember a single evidence
showing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle's crimes)
mistook a speculation with fact. Mr. Coras' response to Mr. Friedman
specifically referred to the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terorism and Revisionism
Triangle and its criminal members. If an idiot, who calls himself Nelson,
is unable to make this distinction, that is his personal baby.
Anyway, according to the historians and historical documents, the Armenian
genocide of the Muslims had actually commenced before the first battles of
the war. In August, 1914, the Armenians of Zeytun rebelled against military
conscription. All over Eastern Anatolia Armenian guerilla bands
organized and came out of hiding. Weapons, provided by Russian
government and the Armenian revolutionary groups, were brought from
hiding. (In one government investigation, Ottoman officials complained
that the Armenian guerillas possessed better weapons than did the
Ottoman soldiers sent to fight them. Armenian rebels in the city of Urfa
were armed with machine guns, in short supply in most regular armies at
the beginning of the war.) Supplies, including weapons, ammunition, and
even uniforms, had been successfully hidden in anticipation of just such
a conflict. The Russians, anticipating a war, had cooperated with the
revolutionaries, rightly assuming that Armenian rebellion in wartime
could only assist Russian conquest.
Armenian revolutionaries resolved to take advantage of the best chance
they had ever seen for successful rebellion. The war had claimed all
the soldiers who would ordinarily be stationed in the Eastern provinces.
Even the 'gendarmes' (paramilitary rural police force) had been sent to
the front. Those Muslims who remained behind were females and very old
and very young males. The Muslim villages of Eastern Anatolia were in
essence defenseless.
In theory, young Armenian males should have been conscripted into the
army along with Muslims, but tens of thousands escaped to join guerilla
bands or fled to Russia, ultimately to join the Russian army or its
Armenian auxiliaries.
Soon after the war began, Armenian bands were raiding all over Eastern
Anatolia. Some sprang up locally and immediately began their attacks.
Others were made up of Armenians who had crossed the Russian border
for training and returned, organized into guerrilla bands. Guerrillas
from Anatolia were joined by Armenians from the Russian Empire, largely
recruited by the Dashnak Party and armed by the Russian government. The
bands were a major military threat, not a minor irritant. The Ottomans
estimated 30,000 armed Armenian guerrillas in Sivas province alone.
Approximately 8,000 Armenians from Mush, Van, and Bitlis were trained
by the Russians in the town of Kaghizman alone, another 6,000 were trained
in Ighdir. No one accurately counted the numbers, but unquestionably there
were more than 100,000 Armenian guerrillas or other fighters from Anatolia
or the Russian territories fighting in Anatolia.
At first the Armenian rebels operated in classic guerrilla fashion,
destroying communications, hampering military and governmental activities,
and spreading terror. Recruiting units for the Ottoman Army came
under particular attacks, as did mail deliveries and telegraph lines.
Gendarmerie posts, their usual squads spread thin by the war, were
attacked. The first Muslim villages were raided. In short, the Armenian
guerrillas had begun to act as advance units of the Russian Army,
"softening up" the territory of intended Russian invasion. The Armenian
activities soon expanded.
In a very short time the Armenian guerrillas, aided by Armenian villagers
and deserters from the Ottoman Army, went to an advanced stage of
rebellion. They set about to seize the cities of the Ottoman East.
In most cases they were unsuccessful, and the cities (such as
Kara Hissar) or defensive redoubts (such as the famous Musa Dagh) which
they seized were only briefly held against Ottoman counter-attack. In
military terms, however, the rebel attacks were a success. The Ottomans
were forced to withdraw whole divisions from the Russian Front to meet
the internal threat from the Armenians. The result was Russian invasion
and the extermination of millions of Muslims by Armenians.
Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla
Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982.
"Document No: 75," Archive No: 1-65, Cabin No: 149, Drawer No:
4, File No: 1847, Section No: 61(89), Contents No: 7-14, 7-15.
(To the Third Army Command - Group Commander Brig. Gen. Sevki)
"Following the occupation by Armenians after the Russian evacuation,
Armenians have burned and destroyed all Moslem villages and massacred
the people. This horrible deed, was not committed only West of Border
93 (The border at the time of 1877 - 1878 Ottoman - Russian War) but
also East of the border in Erivan, Gumru, Kars, Kagizman, Sarikamis
and partly in Ardahan and Ahilek in all the villages. The massacres
are confirmed by documentary proof and evidence.
Part of the incidents and occurrences investigated by military troops
in the operation regions are outlined below:
a. On 29 April, Moslems sent to Ahilek from Gumru on 500 carts,
were completely massacred by Armenians.
b. Villages of Zarudsad (Arpacay) district and of Melik were burnt
and inhabitants were massacred.
c. Again early in April, 67 villages of Suragil district were razed
to the ground.
d. An Armenian force, 1000-strong, equipped with machine guns and
two artillery guns in Kulp and vicinity, destroyed all villages
in Kulp and Erivan region, East of Kagizman.
e. On 1 May, a 100-strong Armenian cavalry gang murdered over 60
women, children and men in Sibes, Tepe, Duzkent and region. On
25 April, 570 Moslems from Subusan village East of Kars were
massacred by axes and knives and the corpses burnt. In Magisto
and Alaca villages, over 100 women, children and men were
murdered with the same brutality. All the inhabitants of Tekneli,
Haci Halil, Kalul, Harabe, Dagor, Milanli, Ketak, Alaca and Ilham
villages were massacred by Armenians.
f. On 1 May, the inhabitants of Dangal, Acarca, Mulabi, Morcahit,
Badigna, Havur, Koros villages burnt. Villages around Samran
Northeast of Erivan and around Boguylu North of Kinefski over
Arpacay were burnt and the inhabitants massacred. Many of our
soldiers were prisoners of war at Kars and many in Gumru were
bayonetted to death by Armenians in the presence of other Turkish
soldiers.
g. In short, the majority of the Moslem villages of Kars, Sarikamis,
Erivan, Ahilkelek, and Kagizman have been destroyed by Armenians.
h. The above are only small part of the crimes of Armenians in the
region. But these can be viewed as examples of the overall scene."
Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla
Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982.
"Document No: 50," Archive No: 4/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer
No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2.
(To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki)
"For eight days, Armenians have been forcibly obstructing people from
leaving their homes or going from one village to the other. Day and night
they are rounding up male inhabitants, taking them to unknown destinations,
after which nothing further is heard of them. (Informed from statements
of those who succeeded in escaping wounded from the massacres around
Taskilise ruins). Women and children are being openly murdered or are
being gathered in the Church Square and similar places. Most inhuman and
barbarous acts have been committed against Moslems for eight days."
Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla
Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982.
"Document No: 49," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
No: 1, File No: 2697, Section No: 440, Contents No: 11-1, 11-2.
(To the Third Army Command - 2nd Caucasian Army Corps Commander
Major General Sevki)
"A 2000-strong Armenian gang captured the town of Polathane on 27.1,
erected tents in the region and carried out massacres against the Moslem
inhabitants.
Moslem women were beheaded, faces slashed, and the mutilated bodies
of Moslem men and women exhibited in a shameless way.
On 28/29.1 Orus village 16 Km.s Southeast of Polathane was raided
by an Armenian gang, and whole Moslem population was massacred."
Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla
Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982.
"Document No: 52," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
No: 1, File No: 2907, Section No: 440, Contents No: 6-6, 6-7.
(To: 1st Caucasian Army Corps Command, 2nd Caucasian Army Corps
Command, Communications Zone Inspectorate - Commander 3rd Army
General)
"As almost all Russian units opposite our front have been withdrawn, the
population loyal to us in regions behind the Russian positions are
facing an ever-increasing threat and suppression as well as cruelties
and abuses by Armenians who have decided to systematically annihilate
the Moslem population in regions under their occupation. I have
regularly informed the Russian Command of these atrocities and
cruelties and I have gained the impression that the above authority
seems to be failing in restoring order."
Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla
Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982.
"Document No: 59," Archive No: 1/1, Cabin No: 105, Drawer
No: 1, File No: 153, Section No: 682, Contents No: 45.
(To Ottoman Army Acting Supreme Command - Commander, 3rd Army
Vehip Mehmet)
"According to information received from the reconnaissance column in
Bayburt, an Armenian gang of 250 infantry and 100 cavalry, left Bayburt
and withdrew to Erzurum over Sandik inns. Before leaving Bayburt, the
gang treacherously murdered and burned over 200 people."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan3.1...@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>,
ah...@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet) writes:
> Revolutionists killing Armenians ..
>They also killed Turks,Jews and Kurds as being exposed By Hasan Mutlu, Ahmet
>Coras and others, for independent Armenia on a land on which Armenians were NOT
>the majority.
There was a "Genocide of the Muslims" carried out by order of the Armenian
Dictatorship, Ahmet. Muslims were innocent victims of the blood-thirsty
leaders of the Armenian Dictatorship.
Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918.
University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13.
"The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the
area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population
of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were
Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem.
Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third
of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the
Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan
uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians
as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897,
however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the
guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000
inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character
notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian
Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the
southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."
In 1920, 0% Muslims, 100% Armenians.
During the years of World War I, the Armenian dictatorship has planned
and perpetrated the genocide of the Turkish people, which not only took
the lives of millions of Muslims, but was also the method used to empty
the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants. To this day, Turkish historic
lands remain occupied by the Soviet Armenia. In order to cover up the
fact of its usurpation of the historic Turkish homeland, which is the
crux of Turkish political demands, communist Soviet Armenia continues
its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways:
1. Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide
in order to shift international public opinion away from its political
responsibility.
2. Soviet Armenia, employing pseudo-scholars, ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism
and Revisionism Triangle, paid liars and racists, and terrorists attempts
to call into question the veracity of the Turkish Genocide.
3. Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through
ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle in an attempt to silence the Turkish
people's vehement demands and protests.
4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, Soviet
Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through
terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters
of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian.
Using all the aforementioned methods, the Soviet Armenian government is
attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from
making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue.
Yet despite the efforts of the Soviet Armenian government and its terrorist
and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks to the struggle
of those whose closest ones were systematically exterminated by the Armenians,
the international wall of silence on this issue has begun to collapse, and
consequently a number of governments and organizations have become
supportive of the recognition of the Turkish Genocide.
With the full knowledge that the struggle for the Turkish territorial
demands are still in their initial stages, the Turkish and Kurdish people
will unflaggingly continue in this sacred struggle, therefore the victims
of the Turkish Genocide demand:
1. that the Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian
dictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide;
2. that Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and
Kurdish people;
3. that the Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for their
heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide;
4. that all world governments, and especially the Soviet Union, officially
recognize the Turkish Genocide and Turkish territorial rights and refuse
to succumb to all Armenian political pressure;
5. that the U.S. Government free itself from the friendly position it has
adopted towards its unreliable ally, Soviet Armenia, and officially
recognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide as well as be
supportive of the pursuit of Turkish territorial demands;
6. that the Soviet Central Government officially recognize the historical
fact of the Turkish Genocide and include the cold-blooded extermination
of millions of Muslims in history books.
The awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the
efforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first
genocide of the 20th century as a positive step. Furthermore, a new
generation has risen - equipped with a deep sense of commitment, politically
mature and conscious, who determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through
all necessary means, ranging from the political and diplomatic to the
armed struggle. Therefore, the victims of the Turkish Genocide call upon
all Turks and Kurds in the United States to participate vigorously
in the political, cultural and religious activities of the Turkish
Genocide.
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan7.0...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934.
pp. 17-18.
"It seems that terrorism against their own co-nationals has been a prominent
part of the revolutionary activities of the Dashnag leaders of the Caucasus.
Organized to fight the Turks, these chieftains have been more successful
in their fight against their Armenian opponents in Turkey, and the Caucasus,
very often defenseless and innocent."
(to be continued...)
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan7.0...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
In a speech addressed to the Armenian Congress in Petersburg on May 24,
Tchalkouchian emphasized the commitment of the Armenians to the Allied
cause:[1]
"...The French charmingly call us 'our little allies'. It may be that we
have made a small contribution to the World War. There is no doubt that
our status is that of a 'great ally'. The whole of the Armenian nation
was involved in the war... right from the start, our sympathy was completely
for the Allied Powers. Among these, Russia, to whom Armenians had been
loyal throughout history, came first and foremost."
"The Armenians greeted the Russians with ringing bells and with their
priests dressed in their ceremonial robes. In this war, too, the Armenian
people took their place beside the Russians...The war broke out volunteers
came from everywhere, from Armenia in Eastern Anatolia, from Egypt under
Turkish rule, from the non-Russian areas of Rumania; all these people who
were Ottoman subjects, familiar with Anatolia, gathered together and put
themselves at the service of the Russian Empire.[2]"
[1] The Times, 28 July 1916.
[2] ibid, 29 July 1916.
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan7.0...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)
p. 20.
"Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the Tartar
section of the village. There were no lights in the houses and the doors
were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to happen and were in great
fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but got no response; whereupon they
smashed in the doors and began a carnage that continued until the last
Tartar was slain. Throughout the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror,
unable to shut my ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and
the loud shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan4.1...@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>,
ah...@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet) writes:
>You are absolutely right except for one word :
>No one can erase it, rewrite it, brainwashing attempts don't work,
>nothing will change the fact. I think the truth speaks for itself
>and always surfaces no matter what. I have seen the hard work done
>by certain Armenian individuals on this net, to produce so called
>"documents and references" which have been proven time after time
>to be fabricated.
The fabrications, lies, non-existent quotes and forged documents
are typical of criminal members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and
Revisionism Triangle and those who try to cover up and apologize for
one of the greatest crimes of this century committed by the Armenian
genocide squads, Ahmet. As has been exposed, the fabrications have been
touted by the notorious compulsive liars of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF
Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle as a step on the road to yet another
genocide of the people of Turkey. Those exposed liars who hide behind
the mask of the criminal organizations try to justify the slaughter of
the innocent Muslims and propagate anti-Turkish rhetoric based on
non-existent quotes.
>I am asking you to show me one example in which mutlu,coras or any
>other Turk was proven to lie.
Not a single article posted by 'mutlu', 'coras' or any other Turk can
be refuted, Ahmet, because each and every one of those articles,
exposing the Armenian genocide of millions of Muslims, is based on the
scholarly research and publicly available documents and references.
How could a sensible person compare the writings of the 95 percent
of the Ottoman experts in the United States and the 100 percent of
the Turkish historians to the fabrications, forged documents and
non-existent material framed by the criminal members of the
ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisonism Triangle in order to promote the
slaughter of innocent Turkish and Kurdish people all over the world.
In any case, let me further expose the extermination of millions of
Muslims by Armenians before, during and after World War I.
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of Muslims)
p. 133 (first paragraph)
"In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who
had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians
abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of
these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the
brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some,
mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method
employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after
crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw."
p. 19 (first paragraph)
"The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of
ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same fate
befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."
p. 22 (second paragraph)
"Many of our men had served in the Russian Army, and were trained soldiers.
We Armenians were rich and possessed arms. Tartars had never received
military training. They were poor, and possessed few arms beyond knives.
...Shortly after the killing of the Tartars in our village, the revolution
in Russia was suppressed."
p. 97 (third paragraph)
"Within a few years, following the beginning of the movement, an invisible
government of Armenians by Armenians had been established in Turkish
Armenia in armed opposition to the Turkish Government. This secret
government had its own courts and laws and an army of assassins called
'Mauserists' (professional killers) to enforce its decrees."
p. 98 (first paragraph)
"The Dashnacks were in continual open rebellion against the Turkish
Government."
p. 98 (third paragraph)
"...the Dashnacks engineered a general revolt of Armenians in Turkish
Armenia under the mistaken belief that European nations would intervene
and secure independence for Turkish Armenia."
p. 99 (second paragraph)
"The Dashnacks were fanatics..."
p. 99 (third paragraph)
"The Dashnacks took advantage of this situation and extended their
revolutionary activities into the Russian province. They instituted
a campaign of terrorism and employed threats and force in securing
contributions to the party funds from rich Armenians. A wealthy
man would be assessed a stipulated sum. Refusal to pay brought upon
him a sentence of death.
Every member of the party was pledged to carry out orders without
question. If a man were to be assassinated, lots might be drawn to
select an executioner or the job might be assigned to one of the
'mauserists' of the party."
"Within a few months after the war began, these Armenian guerrilla
forces, operating in close coordination with the Russians, were
savagely attacking Turkish cities, towns and villages in the east,
massacring their inhabitants without mercy, while at the same time
working to sabotage the Ottoman army's war effort by destroying roads
and bridges, raiding caravans, and doing whatever else they could to
ease Russian occupation. The atrocities committed by the Armenian
volunteer forces accompanying the Russian army were so severe that the
Russian commanders themselves were compelled to withdraw them from the
fighting fronts and sent them to rear guard duties. The memoirs of many
Russian officers who served in the east at this time are filled with
accounts of the revolting atrocities committed by these Armenian
guerrillas, which were savage even by relatively primitive standards of
war then observed in such areas.[1]"
[1] "Journal de Guerre du Deuxieme d'Artillerie de Forteresse Russe
d'Erzeroum," 1919, p. 28.
Kazim Karabekir Pasha expressed his concerns about the Armenian
genocide of the Turkish people when he entered Kars.[2]
"It was the Dashnaks who dragged our country into the calamities and
miseries of this protracted war. It was again the Dashnaks who refused,
unknown to you, the friendship our Government wanted to show. The Dashnaks
are traitors who, instead of dedicating themselves to providing a life
of comfort for their nation, serve capitalists who regard the whole
world as their treasure and who want to use all human beings as slaves
for their wealth and rule, and prefer to lead the hedonistic and pompous
life of dissipation...Our goal is to save the innocent people from the
Dashnaks who indiscriminately led to destruction of the poor Muslim and
Armenian peoples in pursuit of imaginary goals...The crushing defeat
that the Dashnaks suffered in the hands of our powerful army is a
strong enough proof of the power and success of right and justice...
Please be entirely assured that the Turkish Government will give its
blessing and justice even to the Armenian people and pursue your daily
tasks peacefully."
[2] K. Karabekir, "Istiklal Harbimiz," (Istanbul, 1969), pp. 898-899.
Source: L. Nalbandian, "The Armenian Revolutionary Movement: The Development
of Armenian Political Parties through the Nineteenth Century,"
University of California Press, Berkeley and Los Angeles, 1963
(247 pages).
p. 110 (first paragraph)
"The Hunchaks said that the existing social organization in Turkish Armenia
could be changed by violence against the Turkish government and described
the following methods: Propaganda, Agitation, Terror, Organization, and
Peasant and Worker Activities.
.....
Demonstrations against the government, refusal to pay taxes, demands for
reforms, and hatred of the aristocracy were part of the party's agitation
campaign. The people were also to be incited against their enemies and were
to "profit" from the retaliatory actions of these same enemies.
...The part aimed at terrorizing the Ottoman government, thus contributing
toward lowering the prestige of that regime and working toward its complete
disintegration... The Hunchaks wanted to annihilate the most dangerous of the
Armenian and Turkish individuals who were then working for the government,
as well as to destroy all spies and informers...."
p. 111 (second paragraph)
"The most opportune time to institute the general rebellion for carrying
out the immediate objective was when Turkey was engaged in a war."
EXTRACTS FROM THE NOVEMBER ISSUE (1914) OF THE ARMENIAN PAPER "HINTCHAK",
PUBLISHED IN PARIS, ORGAN OF THE ARMENIAN HINTCHAK COMMITTEE.
The Hintchak Social Democrat Committee representing the Armenian nation,
exposed to vexations and deprived of its rights, which has been working
since over a quarter of a century in a bloody path to obtain the liberation
of the Armenians in Turkey, now descends, driven by the power of actual
political events from the Taurus Mountains and the borders of Armenia
down to the battle-field, blowing the trumpet of strife and revolution,
to drown in blood the Ottoman tyranny.
In this gigantic struggle where existence of nations is at stake, the
Hintchak Committee as well as the entire Armenian nation, will join their
forces, moral and material, and waving the sword of revolution in their
hands, will enter into this world war.
As comrades of arms of the Triple Entente and particularly of Russia
they will co-operate with the Allies, making full use of all political
and revolutionary means they possess, for the final victory in Armenia,
Cilicia, Caucasus and Azerbaydjan, being always led by their patriotism
and thus fulfilling their duties towards themselves and towards civilization.
Let all heroes who will sacrifice their lives for the great cause of the
Armenian freedom, come forward with all their moral and material strength
for the realization of this national aspiration.
It is only by these means that the Armenians, proud for having shed their
blood for their own cause and that of civilization, may represent the nation
at the Congress to be held on the morrow of the war.
Let it obtain its political liberty; let it show to the world that it has a
right to live, and finally let it obtain, through the consent of the
Triple Entente, the independence granted to their fatherland for which
it has shed its blood.
And from the rays of liberty let the sun of right, justice, liberty and
fraternity rise.
Well, then, forward Comrades... Forward to work. Let us crush down the
death, death which threatens Armenia, so that it lives and it lives
for ever ...
(Paris 1914)
Head offices of the social Democrat Hintchak Committee.
Source: K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934,
(73 pages with Appendix).
p. 15 (first paragraph)
"Method No. 8 is as follows:-
To wage fight, and to subject to terrorism the government officials, the
traitors, the betrayers, the usurers, and the exploiters of all description".
Method No. 11 is:-
"To subject the government institutions to destruction and pillage".
......
At first, these terrorist methods were resorted to in order to obtain money
for the revolutionary movements in the Turkish territory.
p. 25 (third paragraph)
"...Some real fighters sprang up from among the people, who struck terror
into the hearts of the Turks."
Source: Uras, Esat: The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question.
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.
p. 851.
"Even before the war between the Ottoman empire and Russia started, military
preparations were already being made in Transcaucasia. Armenian volunteers
flocked from everywhere to Transcaucasia, and Tiflis in particular, in order
to enlist in the Russian army or to join the bands and revenge squads
organized for the fight against Turkey. Antranik was brought over to Tiflis;
Garegin Pastirmadjian, formerly the Erzurum deputy in the Ottoman Parliament,
was sent by the Committee to Transcaucasia in order to supervise the
preparations. The Dashnaktsutiun itself became fully active."
p. 867.
"Particularly during the fall of Van and the march of the Russians on the
eastern provinces, the Moslem population was ruthlessly slaughtered by
Armenian volunteer revenge units."
Source: "Aspirations et Agissements Revolutionnaires des Comites
Armeniens avant et apres la Proclamation de la Constitution
Ottomane," Istanbul, 1917, p. 144.
"The Dashnaks promised that if the Ottomans entered the war, they would do
their duty as loyal countrymen in the Ottoman armies. However they failed to
live up to this promise, since even before their meeting with Ottoman officials
took place, a secret Dashnak Congress held in Erzurum in June 1914 and had
already decided to use the uncoming war to undertake a general attack against
Ottoman State."
p. 151.
"The Hunchak Committee instructions to its organizations in the Ottoman
territory were:
The Hunchak Committee will use all means to assist the Entente states,
devoting all its forces to the struggle to assure victory in Armenia, Cilicia,
the Caucasus and Azerbajjan as the ally of the Entente states, and in
particular of Russia."
Source: Hocaoglu, Mehmed, "Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve Ermeniler,"
Istanbul, 1976, p. 571.
"The Dashnak Committee also ordered its cells that had been preparing to
revolt within the Ottoman Empire:
As soon as the Russians have crossed the borders and the Ottoman armies have
started to retreat, you should revolt everywhere. The Ottoman armies thus will
be placed between two fires. If the Ottoman armies advance against the
Russians, on the other hand, their Armenian soldiers leave their units with
their weapons, form bandit forces, and unite with the Russians."
Source: Gurun, Kamuran, "The Armenian File," Weidenfeld & Nicholsan Ltd,
London, 1985, pp. 192-193.
"Felix Valyi has written:
'In April the Armenian revolutionaries seized the town of Van, established
an Armenian `General Staff` there under the command of Aram and Vardan, which
delivered up the town to the Russian troops on the 6th of May, after having
`freed` the district of Van from Mohammedans....
Amongst the most notorious of the Armenian chiefs was Karakin Pastermadjian,
a former member of the Turkish Parliament, known by the name of `Garo`,
who put himself at the head of the Armenian volunteers at the time of the
opening of hostilities between Turkey and Russia, and the Turks accuse him
of having set fire to all the Mussulman villages he found on his way and
of massacring their inhabitants. It is known that the attempts made by
Turkey to win the support of the `Dachnakzoutioun` party against Russia at
the beginning of the War were repulsed in the month of September, 1914,
by the Armenian Congress at Erzurum, which declared itself `neutral`.
Nevertheless the thousands of Russian bombs and muskets which were found
in the hands of its members prove what this neutrality meant....'"
As Rachel A. Bortnick, along with experts and historians, articulated:
"A more appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the
systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of the
independent republic of Armenia (which lasted from 1918 to 1921),
which consisted of at least 30-40 percent of the population of that
republic. The memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated
in and eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in
1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the Armenian genocide of
Muslims)
"Foreword:"
"For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar mosque, the most
habitable building of a destroyed village, near the border of Persia and
Russian Armenia. During the course of evening I asked Ohanus if he could tell
me anything of the history of the village and the cause of its destruction.
In his matter of fact way he replied, Yes, I assisted in its sack and
destruction, and witnessed the slaying of those whose bones you saw to-day
scattered among its ruins."
p. 202 (first and second paragraphs).
"........................................We closed the roads and mountain
passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded
in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of
stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants
fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work.
Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains
or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed.
And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia
from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the
cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful
ruins of Tartar villages. They are quite now, those villages, except
for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
scattered bones of the dead."
p. 15 (second paragraph).
"The Tartars were, for the most part, poor. Some of them lived in villages and
cultivated small farms; many of them continued in the way of life of their
nomadic forefathers. They drove their flocks and herds from valley to valley,
from plain to mountain, and from mountain to plain, following the pasturage
as it changed with the seasons. They ranged from the salt desert shores of the
Caspian Sea far into the mighty Caucasus Mountains. Even the village Tartars
are a primitive people, only semicivilized."
"The old animosities between the conquered Mohammedan and the conqueror
Christian, heritages of generations of warfare and conflicting religions,
have lost nothing of their old virulence; and at opportune times they find
expression in pillage and merciless slaughter."
"I can see now that we Armenians frankly despised the Tartars, and, while
holding a disproportionate share of the wealth of the country, regarded and
treated them as inferiors. The fact that the Russians looked down upon all
Armenians in much the same way as Armenians regarded Tartars, far from proving
a bond between ourselves and our racially different neighbors, intensified
an attitude and conduct on our part that served only to exacerbate hostility.
p. 20 (second paragraph).
"Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the Tartar
section of the village. There were no lights in the houses and the doors
were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to happen and were in great
fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but got no response; whereupon they
smashed in the doors and began a carnage that continued until the last
Tartar was slain. Throughout the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror,
unable to shut my ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and
the loud shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished."
p. 109 (second paragraph).
"As things were, the members of the Dashnack Party were without administrative
experience; consequently the government they instituted quickly proved itself
incompetent to rule by legitimate means.
The members of the government had been revolutionists working in secret and
outside the law. When they became a legally instituted, recognized governing
body with the destiny of Armenia in their hands, they proved incompetent to
do better than resume the terrorist tactics that had characterized their
fight against the Russian and Turkish Governments in their outlaw days.
The outstanding feature of their rule, now that they were in power, was,
as in the old days, trial and execution without hearing. A man evoking
the displeasure of the government or of some official would be tried and
condemned without arrest or preference of charges against him. The method
of execution was for a government 'mauserist' to walk up behind the
condemned man in his home or on the street, place a pistol to the back
of his head and blow out his brains. This simple way of getting rid of
those who were undesirable in the view of the government and soon became
a common way of paying debts."
p. 203 (first paragraph).
"A soldier succeeded in driving his bayonet through the Tartar. I saw the
point of the weapon emerge through his back. ...Another soldier seized a rock
and pounded the Tartar's head with it... The Armenian who had bayoneted him
sprang to his feet, wrested the weapon from the Tartar's body, and, raising
it to his lips, licked it clean of blood, exclaiming in Russian, 'Slodkey!
Slodkey!' (Sweet.)"
p. 203 (second paragraph).
"One evening I passed through what had been a Tartar village. Among the
ruins a fire was burning. I went to the fire and saw seated about
it a group of soldiers. Among them were two Tartar girls, mere children.
The girls were crouched on the ground, crying softly with suppressed
sobs. Lying scattered over the ground were broken household utensils and
other furnishings of Tartar peasant homes. There were also bodies of the
dead."
p. 204 (first paragraph).
"I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying of
a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to make
my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the tragedy
that had been enacted. Guided by the child's crying, I entered the yard of
a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been the home of a
Turkish family. There in a corner of the yard I found a women dead. Her
throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a
year old."
p. 118.
"Slowly the train of oxcarts lumbered along through the snow, the cart
jolting and the loads swaying. Boys ran along the line of oxen, encouraging
them with shrill Tartar cries, and belaboring the beasts with sticks. In the
carts, the women, veiled as is the Tartar way, held children in their arms.
Wrapped in blankets and huddled among the goods that burdened the carts they
sought protection from the wind and cold. A few old men plodded along on foot.
Across the road through the ravine a barrier had been thrown. The leading
oxteam reached this barrier and halted. The gunmen and other ruffians
concealed among the rocks opened fire. Women and children leaped and
scrambled from the carts, screamed, ran and sought vainly for safety.
This massacre was not complete. The Armenian soldiers in the near-by
barracks, hearing the firing and the turmoil, hurried to the scene....
That same day the abandoned Tartar quarter of Alexandropol was looted
and completely destroyed."
p. 186.
"The Tartars were lying on the ground, bound hand and foot. ....Tartar
women, who in their eagerness to see what was going on had thrown back
their veils, were peering over the wall that enclosed the yard. At an
order from the commandant the soldiers began beating the Tartars. The
latter squirmed and screamed. The women raised a great uproar with their
shrieks and pleadings that mercy be shown their men. The punishment
continued until I thought it must be the intention of the commandant
to have the men beaten to death. He invited me to take a stick and flog
them. I could have found no pleasure in doing so and begged to be
excused."
p. 192.
"Great swarms of peasants who had come out of their hiding-places on the
retreat of the Turks followed our army as it advanced.... They entered
into the city with the army and immediately began plundering the stores
that had been left by the Turks."
p. 193.
"Terrible vengeance was taken upon Tartars, Kurds and Turks. Their villages
were destroyed and they themselves were slain or driven out of the country."
p. 195.
"The fanatical Dashnacks hated the Turks above all others and then in order
of diminishing intensity: Tartars, Kurds and Russians."
p. 218.
"Russian troops did terrible things in the Turkish villages...
We Armenians did not spare the Tartars....If persisted in, the slaughtering
of prisoners, the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless
become commonplace actions expected and accepted as a matter of course.
I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground,
in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. They had been as helpless
and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the
heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands,
and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with
their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan6.2...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, "Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla
Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari," Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982.
"Document No: 76," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer
No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53.
(To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section,
Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie)
Picture: Heaped corpses of slaughtered Turkish children by Armenian
genocide squads in Erzincan.
'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin,
'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul.
"I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and
Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months
have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I
have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at
almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from
Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly
slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to
save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful
events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then
taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people
well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these
places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun.
They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the
Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality
problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers
who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and
Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)..."
(to be continued...)
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <37...@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, ca...@troa02.enet.dec.com (Yuksel Camas)
writes:
>I would like to learn the exact functions of ARF and SDPA. Is there
>really a relation between those two and the ASALA? Are "destruction of
>Turkish Republic" or "any kind of anti-Turkish propaganda" some of the
>functions of ARF and SDPA?
Let the facts speak for themselves. The ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and
Revisionism Triangle has yet to renounce its charter which specifically
calls for the elimination and extermination of the Turkish people. I will
continue to expose the criminal members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and
Revisionism Triangle on this net regularly, Yuksel. So, stick around.
"It is unfortunate that the attitude of the Turkish government vis-a-vis
Armenian demands dictates that more people have to die in pursuit of
justice."
SDPA <9...@urartu.UUCP>
The following is a list of the Turkish Diplomats and other people
assassinated by Armenian terrorists in the 70's and 80's. The list of
over two hundred atrocities committed (too long to include here) include
bomb and armed attacks in Istanbul, Ankara and Paris airports killing
innocent people, numerous bombings at Turkish, French, Swiss and other
airline offices throughout Europe and Middle East, other armed attacks
on Turkish diplomatic personnel and buildings.
Assassinations between 1973 and 1985.
1) Mehmet Baydar, Consul General of Turkey, and Bahadir Demir, Consul of
Turkey, were assassinated on Jan 27 1973, in Los Angeles by Armenian
immigrant Gourgeu Yanikian.
2) Danis Tunaligil, Ambassador of Turkey to Austria, was assassinated on
Oct 22 1975, in Vienna Austria by three gunmen. A group calling itself
"The Armenian Liberation Army" claimed credit.
3) Ismail Erez, Ambassador of Turkey to France, and his driver Talip
Yener were assassinated on Oct 24 1975, in Paris France. Armenian Secret
Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) claimed responsibility.
4) Oktay Cirit, First Secretary-Turkish Embassy, was assassinated on
Feb 16, 1976, in Beirut Lebanon. ASALA claimed responsibility.
5) Taha Carim, Ambassador of Turkey To Vatican, was assassinated on
June 9 1977, in Rome Italy." Justice Commandos of the Armenian
Genocide" (JCAG) claimed responsibility.
6) Necla Kuneralp, wife of the Ambassador of Turkey to Spain, Besir
Balcioglu, Retired Ambassador of Turkey to Spain, and their Spanish
driver Antonio Torres were assassinated on June 2 1978, in Madrid
Spain. ASALA and JCAG claimed responsibility.
7) Ahmet Benler, son of the Ambassador of Turkey to Netherlands, and a
PhD student at the Delft Technical University was assassinated on Oct 12
1978 in the Hague Netherlands. ASALA and JCAG claimed responsibility.
8) Yilmaz Colpan, Counselor for Tourism at Turkish Embassy, was
assassinated on Dec 22 1979, in Paris France by a lone gunman. ASALA
and JCAG claimed responsibility.
9) A lone terrorist opened fire on the Dogan Turkmen, Ambassador of
Turkey to Switzerland on Feb 18 1980 in Bern Switzerland. The
would-be-assassin Max Kilimjian was arrested in Marseilles and returned
to Switzerland for trial.
10) Vecdi Turel, Turkish Ambassador to Vatican was shot and seriously
wounded in an attack by three terrorists on April 17 1980 in Rome Italy.
JCAG claimed responsibility.
11) Galip Ozmen, Attache, Turkish Embassy and her daughter Neslihan
Ozmen were assassinated on July 31 1980 in Athens Greece. His wife and
son were wounded. ASALA claimed responsibility.
12) Four Armenian terrorists occupied the Turkish Embassy in Paris
France and wounded Consul Kaya Inal and Security Guard Cemal Ozen. 56
hostages were taken. Ozen later dies of his injuries in the hospital.
The terrorists were members of ASALA.
13) Sarik Ariyak, Consul General of Turkey, and his bodyguard Engin
Sever was assassinated on Dec 16 1981 in Sydney Australia. JCAG claimed
responsibility.
14) Kemal Arikan, Consul General of Turkey, was assassinated on Jan 28
1982 in Los Angeles by a 19 year old immigrant from Lebanon Hampig
Sassounian who was convicted and sentenced to life in prison.
15) Orhan Gunduz, Honorary Consul of Turkey in Boston was severely
wounded by a bomb explosion on Mar 22 1982. JCAG claimed responsibility.
16) The same Honorary Consul Orhan Gunduz was assassinated while
driving to work on May 4 1982. JCAG claimed responsibility.
17) Erkut Akbay, administrative Attache at the Turkish Embassy in Lisbon
Portugal and his wife were assassinated in front of their home June 7
1982. JCAG claimed responsibility.
18) Colonel Atilla Altikat, Military Attache at the Turkish Embassy
was assassinated in Aug 27 1982 in Ottawa Canada. JCAG claimed
responsibility.
19) Bora Suelkan, Administrative Attache at the Turkish Consulate was
assassinated on Sept. 9 1982 in Burgaz, Bulgaria. ASALA claimed
responsibility.
20) Galip Balkar, the Turkish Ambassador to Yugoslavia was ambushed and
assassinated by two Armenian terrorists on March 9 1983, in Belgrade
Yugoslavia. His driver was wounded. As they fled the assassins shot and
wounded a Yugoslav colonel. One of the assassins opened fire on the
civilians chasing him and killed a young student and shot a young girl.
The assassins Kirkor Levonyan and Raffi Elbekian were tried and
sentenced.
21) Cahide Mihcioglu, wife of the Deputy Chief of Mission at the Turkish
Embassy in Lisbon Portugal was blown up by the bombs planted by 5
Armenian terrorists who stormed the Chancery and took the family as
hostages on July 27 1983. Four of terrorists also died in the same
explosion.
22) Erdogan Ozen, Assistant Labor and Social Affairs Counselor at the
Turkish Embassy in Vienna Austria was killed in an explosion caused by
a bomb planted in his car on June 20 1984. Armenian Revolutionary
Army (ARA) claimed responsibility.
23) Dursun Akisoy Administrative Attache at the Turkish Embassy in
Brussels, Belgium was assassinated on July 14, 1984. ARA claimed
responsibility.
(the list goes on and on and on...)
"STRATEGIC PRINCIPLES
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan7.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
According to Borian:[1]
"With the start of the War, Armenian intellectuals joined the ranks of the
imperialist bourgeoisie of Tsarist Russia. Tsarist doctrines were accepted
as the programme of the Dashnaktsutiun which assimilated the former's
chauvinistic and emotional characteristics...They were in fact being used
as instruments by imperialist Russia. In the eyes of Russia, the activities
of the Dashnaktsutiun served the purpose of preparing world opinion for
the Russian invasion of Turkish Armenia. Indeed there were no intention on
the part of Tsarist Russia to set up an autonomous Armenian state, nor was
the international situation suitable for such a development. It was
impossible not to see that the Party which was ostensibly striving for
the independence of the Armenians was, in fact, only serving Russia's aim
of occupying Armenia."
[1] B. A. Borian, "Armenia, International Diplomacy and the USSR," 1928,
p. 32.
(to be continued...)
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan7.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)
p. 118.
"Slowly the train of oxcarts lumbered along through the snow, the cart
jolting and the loads swaying. Boys ran along the line of oxen, encouraging
them with shrill Tartar cries, and belaboring the beasts with sticks. In the
carts, the women, veiled as is the Tartar way, held children in their arms.
Wrapped in blankets and huddled among the goods that burdened the carts they
sought protection from the wind and cold. A few old men plodded along on foot.
Across the road through the ravine a barrier had been thrown. The leading
oxteam reached this barrier and halted. The gunmen and other ruffians
concealed among the rocks opened fire. Women and children leaped and
scrambled from the carts, screamed, ran and sought vainly for safety.
This massacre was not complete. The Armenian soldiers in the near-by
barracks, hearing the firing and the turmoil, hurried to the scene....
That same day the abandoned Tartar quarter of Alexandropol was looted
and completely destroyed."
hasan.b.mutlu
<Jan.7.22.49....@dorm.rutgers.edu>
adis...@dorm.rutgers.edu (Aram Adishian)
>I find it odd that every source from a Turk is authentic and every
>source from an Armenian or Yale university is a fake. But what can
>one expect?
To buttress their hoax, Armenian propagandists forged documents, utilized
purported quotes, printed non-existent references, published fake
skulls and lied shamelessly to the world when the Turks were not here to
defend themselves. Given the fertile imaginations of Armenian propagandists,
terrorists and revisionists and the above facts, the 95 percent of the Ottoman
experts in this country rightly preferred to utilize the authentic documents
about the Armenian genocide of millions of Muslims and labeled Armenian
propaganda movie scripts as 'trash.' Your predecessors perpetrated the
following unheard-of atrocities and led the country to ruin in their
own self-interests. And, their crimes went unpunished.
>I have been told on this net that everything American
>missionaries documented has been proven fake, but I am to accept
>Ottoman army documents published in the mid 1980s in Ankara. Absurd.
Again, I love people who do not give a thunder about the facts and dates
and then spout myth as evidence. One should wonder if you people are real.
Anyway, let us examine the dates - shall we?
Armenian activists presently claim that the Armenian population of
Anatolia were loyal citizens of the Ottoman Empire. They reject the
Turkish statements that Armenians were planning and actively pursuing
rebellion with the intent of siding with Russia and the Allies against
the Ottoman Empire during WWI.
Three documents from the past shed light on this situation:
First, the letter to the Editor, "The Times," London, January 30, 1919,
by Boghos Nubar, head of the Armenian National Delegation to the Paris
Peace Conference, lists the contributions of Armenians to the Allied
cause. His letter speaks for itself.
Reference #1.
THE RIGHTS OF ARMENIA.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES.
Sir, - The name of Armenia is not on the list of the nations admitted
to the Peace Conference. Our sorrow and our disappointment are deep
beyond expression. Armenians naturally expected their demand for
admission to the Conference to be conceded, after all they had done
for the common cause.
The unspeakable sufferings and the dreadful losses that have befallen
the Armenians by reason of their faithfulness to the Allies are now
fully known. But I must emphasize the fact, unhappily known to few,
that ever since the beginning of the war the Armenians fought by the
side of the Allies on all fronts. Adding our losses in the field to the
greater losses through massacres and deportations, we find that over a
million out of a total Armenian population of four millions and a half
have lost their lives in and through the war. Armenia's tribute to
death is thus undoubtedly heavier in proportion than that of any other
belligerent nation. For the Armenians have been belligerents de facto,
since they indignantly refused to side with Turkey.
Our volunteers fought in the French "Legion Entrangere" and covered
themselves with glory. In the Legion d'Orient they numbered over
5,000, and made up more than half the French contingent in Syria and
Palestine, which took part in the decisive victory of General Allenby.
In the Caucasus, without mentioning the 150,000 Armenians in the Russian
armies, about 50,000 Armenian voluteers under Andranik, Nazarbekoff,
and others not only fought for four years for the cause of the Entente,
but after the breakdown of Russia they were the only forces in the
Caucasus to resist the advance of the Turks, whom they held in check
until the armistice was signed. Thus they helped the British forces
in Mesopotamia by hindering the Germano-Turks from sending their
troops elsewhere.
These services have been acknowledged by the Allied Governments,
as Lord Robert Cecil recognized in the House of Commons.
In virtue of all these considerations the Armenian National Delegation
asked that the Armenian nation should be recognized as a belligerent.
Had the recognition been granted, we should now have been admitted
to the Conference, to which even transatlantic States have found
access, though having merely broken off diplomatic relations with
Germany, without the least sacrifice on their part.
At the moment when the fate of Armenia is being decided at the
Peace Conference, it is my duty, as the head of the National Delegation
which has no tribune from which its voice can resound, to state once
again, in the columns of of "The Times," the important part played by
the Armenians in this frightful war. I wish strongly to urge that the
Armenians, having of their own free will cast in their lot with the
champions of right and justice, the victory of the Allies over their
common enemies has secured to them a right to independence.
Believe me, Sir, yours very faithfully,
Paris, Jan. 27. BOGHOS NUBAR
Second, a 1914 statement published in an Armenian Hunchak Committee
paper clearly outlines the "plans," and indicates that Armenians were
working "since over a quarter century in a bloody path..."
Reference #2.
Reference #3.
Arthur A. Derounian, an Armenian who uses the alias of John Roy Carlson,
in an introduction he wrote to a monograph entitled "The Manifesto of
Hovhannes Katchaznouni," the first Prime Minister of the Independent
Armenian Republic. "However the propagandist may try, historical truth
cannot be subverted forever in a free country. However hard Dashnag
(mine: the Armenian Revolutionary Federation of Boston, U.S.A.),
propagandists may try to twist and bury the truth...truth eventually
prevails. Now for the first time, in English, is a deep and incisive
self study by a competent Dashnag observer...Katchaznouni's work is
published, at this time, as a refutation to the grandiose, exaggerated
and even outrageously fake claims of the Dashnag leadership..."
THE ARMENIAN REVOLUTIONARY FEDERATION (DASHNAGTZOUTIUN)
HAS NOTHING TO DO ANYMORE
THE MANIFESTO
of
HOVHANNES KATCHAZNOUNI
First Prime Minister of the Independent Armenian Republic
Translated from the Original by Matthew A. Callender
Edited by John Roy Carlson (Arthur A. Derounian)
Published by the Armenian Information Service
Suite 7D, 471 Park Ave., New York 22, 1955
Bucharest, July, 1923
Comrades:
These matters have had my deliberate and serious consideration. I do not
know whether you, too, have arrived at the same conclusions. Allow me
to say more: I am afraid that my final conclusion - those very difficult
words which I shall here state with all singleness of heart - will cause
general embarrassment, perhaps resentment, in the Convention.
I am prepared for that.
I only ask that you believe: a) that it is more difficult for me to
write and sign these words than for you to listen to them from my own
lips; b) that these words are not the result of thoughtless or petty
transient dispositions or hastly resolve. I beg of you therefore that
you be patient and approach the matters with an open mind, unhampered -
something which is not easy for men who have lived a Party life and
have thought from a Party angle.
Let me now proceed with my subject.
In order to present my conclusions in proper sequence I feel it is
necessary for me to refresh your memory with the various phases of the
Armenian Cause - from the Great War to the Lausanne Conference [1] - and
the role played by the Dashnagtzoutiun during that period. So that I may
not abuse your attention, I shall curtail my speech and present to you
a concise yet accurate commentary.
At the beginning of the Fall of 1914 when Turkey had not yet entered
the war but had already been making preparations, Armenian revolutionary
bands began to be formed in Transcaucasia with great enthusiasm and,
especially, with much uproar. Contrary to the decision taken during
their general meeting at Erseroum only a few weeks before, the A.R.F.
had active participation in the formation of the bands and their future
military action against Turkey.
In an undertaking of such gravity, fraught with most serious consequences,
individual agents of the Transcaucasian A.R.F. acted against the will
of our superior authority, against the will of the General Meeting of the
Party. Why? This example urges us to recall that the A.R.F. in
Transcaucasian in the past had been a follower rather than an originator
of movements that had their inception beyond their control. Thus it was
in 1903 (rebellions and demonstrations on the occasion of the seizure of
Church properties); thus it was in the year 1905-1906 (bloody encounters
between Tartars and Armenians); and thus it was also during the first big
movements of the laboring classes (1908-1909) when the A.R.F. was being
led at Baku, Tiflis and Batoum by the polices of foreign socialistic
parties.
The same characteristic line of action appears, as we see a little later,
in the conduct we pursued afterwards generally.
It would be useless to argue today whether our bands of volunteers should
have entered the field or not. Historical events have their irrefutable
logic. In the Fall of 1914 Armenian volunteer bands organized themselves
and fought against the Turks because they could not refrain themselves
from fighting. This was an inevitable result of psychology on which
the Armenian people had nourished itself during an entire generation:
that mentality should have found its expression and did so.
And it was not the A.R.F. that would stop the movement even if it wished
to do so. It was able to utilize the existing conditions, give effect
and issue to the accumulated desires, hopes and frenzy, organize the
forces - it had that much ability and authority. But to go against the
current and push forward its own plan - it was unfit, especially unfit
for one particular reason: the A.R.F. is a people's mass strong in
instinct but weak in comprehension.
If the formation of bands was wrong, the root of that error must be
sought much further and more deeply. At the present time it is important
to register only the evidence that we did participate in that volunteer
movement to the largest extent and we did that contrary to the decision
and the will of the General Meeting of the Party.
The Winter of 1914 and the Spring of 1915 were the periods of greatest
enthusiasm and hope for all the Armenians in the Caucasus, including,
of course, the Dashnagtzoutiun. We had no doubt the war would end with
the complete victory of the Allies; Turkey would be defeated and
dismembered, and its Armenian population would at last be liberated.
We had embraced Russia wholeheartedly without any compunction. Without
any positive basis of fact we believed that the Tzarist government
would grant us a more-or-less broad self-government in the Caucasus
and in the Armenian villayets liberated from Turkey as a reward for
our loyalty, our efforts and assistance.
We had created a dense atmosphere of illusion in our minds. We had
implanted our own desires into the minds of others; we had lost
our sense of reality and were carried away with our dreams. From
mouth to mouth, from ear to ear passed mysterious words purported
to have been spoken in the palace of the Viceroy; attention was
called to some kind of a letter by Vorontzov-Dashkov to the
Catholicos as an important document in our hands to use in the
presentation of our rights and claims - a cleverly composed letter
with very indefinite sentences and generalities which might be
interpreted in any manner, according to one's desire.
We overestimated the ability of the Armenian people, its political
and military power, and overestimated the extent and importance of
the services our people rendered to the Russians. And by overestimating
our very modest worth and merit was where we naturally exaggerated our
hopes and expectations.
[1] In the Treaty of Lausanne, signed July 21, 1923 between the Allies
and Turkey, reference was no longer made to Armenian or Armenians. Both
had ceased to exist in the eyes of both Turkey and the Allies. Thus the
"Armenian Question" and the question of Armenians was buried in the grave
of diplomatic silence.
>A question that I have is under what circumstances can a people be
>convicted? The general Turkish line seems to be that some Armenians
>belonged to seditious groups and therefore the population was deported
>with deaths happening along the way. Under what circumstances can a
>people be convicted? Certainly no legitimate one. Guilt by
>association is not recognized morally or legally. You cannot condem a
>race or ethnic group for the actions of its memebers, but the debate
>in this group has reached such a low that the claim has been made.
Perhaps the following helps.
Source: F. Kazemzadeh, "The Struggle for Transcaucasia," (New York, 1951),
pp. 69-77.
This three-day massacre is recorded in history as the 'March Events' and
20,000 Turks, old people, women and children lost their lives.
Source: General Bronsart wrote as follows in an article in the July 24,
1921 issue of the newspaper "Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung."
"As demonstrated by the innumerable declarations, provocative pamphlets,
weapons, ammunition, explosives, etc., found in areas inhabited by
the Armenians, the rebellion had been prepared over a long time,
organized, strengthened and financed by Russia. Information was
received on time in Istanbul about an high-ranking state officials
and officers.
Since all the Moslems capable of bearing arms were in the Turkish Army,
it was easy to organize a terrible massacre by the Armenians against
defenseless people, because the Armenians were not only attacking the
sides and rear of the Eastern Army paralyzed at the front by the
Russians, but were attacking the Moslem folk in the region as well.
The Armenian atrocities which I have witnessed were far worse than
the so-called Turkish brutality."
Source: Quoted by General Hamelin in a letter to the High Commissioner,
February 2, 1919, in the official history, "Les Armees Francaises au Levant,"
vol. 1, p. 122.
"They [Armenians] burned and destroyed many Turkish villages as punitive
measures in their advance and practically all Turkish villages in their
retreat from Marash"
Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952), p. 363 (first paragraph).
(American officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the Muslims)
'How many people lived there?'
'Oh, about eight hundred.' He yawned.
'Did you see any Turk officers?'
'No, sir. I was in at dawn. All were Tartar civilians in mufti.'
"The lieutenant dozed off, then I, but in the small hours a voice woke me -
Dro's. He stood in the starlight bawling out an officer. Anyone keelhauled
so long and furiously I'd never heard. Then abruptly Dro broke into
laughter, quick and simple as child's. Both were a cover for his sense
of guilt, I thought, or hoped. For somehow, despite my boast of irreligion,
Christian massacring 'infidels' was more horrible than the reverse would
have been.
From daybreak on, Armenian villagers poured in from miles around.....
The women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as they picked over
the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's chattels, the last scrap
of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing pots, saddlebags, looms, even
spinning-wheels.
'Thank you for a lot, Dro,' I said to him back in camp. 'But now I must leave.'
... We shook hands, the captain said 'A bientot, mon camarade.' And for hours
the old Molokan scout and I plodded north across parching plains. Like Lot's
wife I looked back once to see smoke bathing all, doubtless in a sack of
other Moslem villages up to the line of snow that was Iran.'
p. 354.
"At morning tea, Dro and his officers spread out a map of this whole
high region called the Karabakh. Deep in tactics, they spoke Russian,
but I got their contempt for Allied 'neutral' zones and their distrust
of promises made by tribal chiefs. A campaign shaped; more raids on
Moslem villages."
p. 358.
"It will be three hours to take," Dro told me. We'd close in on three
sides.
"The men on foot will not shoot, but use only the bayonets," Merrimanov
said, jabbing a rifle in dumbshow.
"That is for morale," Dro put in. "We must keep the Moslems in terror that
our cruelty beats theirs."
"Soldiers or civilians?" I asked.
"There is no difference," said Dro. "All are armed, in uniform or not."
"But the women and children?"
"Will fly with the others as best they may."
p. 360.
"The ridges circled a wide expanse, its floors still. Hundreds of feet down,
the fog held, solid as cotton flock. 'Djul lies under that,' said Dro,
pointing. 'Our men also attack from the other sides.'
Then, 'Whee-ee!' - his whistle lined up all at the rock edge. Bayonets
clicked upon carbines. Over plunged Archo, his black haunches rippling;
then followed the staff, the horde - nose to tail, bellies taking the
spur. Armenia in action seemed more like a pageant than war, even though
I heard our Utica brass roar.
As I watched from the height, it took ages for Djul to show clear. A tsing
of machine-gun fire took over from the thumping batteries; cattle lowed,
dogs barked, invisible, while I ate a hunk of cheese and drank from a snow
puddle. Mist at last folded upward as men shouted, at first heard faintly.
The came a shrill wailing.
Now among the cloud-streaks rose darker wisps - smoke. Red glimmered about
house walls of stone or wattle, into dry weeds on roofs. A mosque stood in
clump of trees, thick and green. Through crooked alleys on fire, horsemen
were galloping after figures both mounted and on foot.
'Tartarski!' shouted the gunner by me. Others pantomimed them in escape
over the rocks, while one twisted a bronze shell-nose, loaded, and yanked
breech-cord, firing again and again. Shots wasted, I thought, when by
afternoon I looked in vain for fallen branch or body. But these shots and
the white bursts of shrapnel in the gullies drowned the women's cries.
At length all shooting petered out. I got on my horse and rode down toward
Djul. It burned still but little flame showed now. The way was steep and
tough, through dense scrub. Finally on flatter ground I came out suddenly,
through alders, on smoldering houses. Across trampled wheat my brothers-in-
arms were leading off animals, several calves and a lamb."
Source: (Osmanli Devleti, Dahiliye Nezareti); Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal
ve Hareket-i Ihtilaliyesi: Ilan-i Mesrutiyetten Evvel ve Sonra
(Istanbul, 1916).
Source: (Osmanli Devleti, Dahiliye Nezareti); Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi,
V. I (Istanbul, 1914), V. II (Istanbul, 1915), V. III (Istanbul, 1916)
V. IV (Istanbul, 1917).
Source: (Osmanli Devleti, Dahiliye Nezareti); (Muhacirin Mudiriyet-i Umumiyesi);
Cemiyet-i Akvam ve Turkiye'de Ermeni ve Rumlar (Istanbul, 1921).
Source: (Osmanli Devleti, Hariciye Nezareti); Imtiyazat-i Ecnebiyye'nin
Lagvindan Dolayi Memurine Teblig Olunacak Talimatname (Istanbul, 1915).
Source: (Osmanli Devleti, Harbiye Nezareti); Islam Ahalinin Ducar Olduklari
Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat Malumat (Istanbul 1919).
Source: Ali Saip, "Kilikya Facialari ve Urfa'nin Kurtulusu Mucadeleleri"
(Ankara, 1924).
Source: A. R. Altinay, "Iki Komite - Iki Kital" (Istanbul, 1919).
Source: A. R. Altinay, "Kafkas Yollarinda Hatiralar ve Tahassusler"
(Istanbul, 1919).
Source: Hocaoglu, M., "Arsiv Vesikalariyla Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve
Ermeniler" (Istanbul, 1976).
A survivor of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims (Saruhan Durmaz)...
"My grandmother, father, mother, uncle and baby sister in my mother's arms
were killed in 1915. They were wonderful, peace-loving people, I saw them
murdered by the Armenians with my own eyes...."
A survivor of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims (Ahmet Argic)...
"I was 12 years old when my father, three uncles, two aunts and their children
were slaughtered by the Armenians...."
>And I am sorry if my questions are answered by fifteen hasan Mutlu
>articles that do no actually answer the question or simply demonstrate
>that you can repost in argument. I would rather see my question
>simply answered.
You do not comprehend, do you?
In the White Book which was published in 1916, the Sublime Porte included the
following statements to explain the reasons for its relocation decision.
"That the Armenians betrayed, this is more than obvious. And, they engaged in
this treason, through regularly organized conspiracies and criminal attempts,
and during a terrible war when the existence and independence of the land are
in question, and directed it against the State under whose aegis they were
able to preserve their language, religion and nationality; the State which
has always respected their rights, and gave them free rein in conducting
their religious and national affairs, all the while granting them extensive
privileges ... and, in the general war, instead of defending the country,
which, for many centuries had guaranteed their prosperity and well being,
they preferred attacking it with treacherous and cowardly blows.[1]
No government could tolerate or accept that, while thousands of its
children of all races and religions were sacrificing themselves for the
motherland in battlefields, there were within the country some traitors
working for its destruction and the victory of its enemies. Thus, the measure
adopted was most natural and legal, ..."[2]
[1] "Aspirations et Agissements ...," pp. 6-7.
[2] Ibid., p. 374.
Documents: Volume I, 1919.
"Document No: 77," Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 10, Drawer
No: 4, File No: 410, Section No: 1578, Contents No: 1-12, 1-18.
(Acting Commander of Erzurum and Deveboynu regions and Commander
of the Second Erzurum Artillery Regiment Prisoner of War,
Lieutenant Colonel Toverdodleyov)
"The enmity between the Turks and Armenians, which has been well known
in Russia and Europe for a long time, was not expected to have
manifested itself once again, during the First World War. It was
already acknowledged that the Armenians hated the Turks. Furthermore,
the Armenians had always attempted to present themselves as an
oppressed and tortured community, and had always succeeded in creating
the impression of a community, cruelly oppressed by the Turks, because
of the specific character of their racial and religious enmity towards
those people not of their religion.
The Russians, who have had considerable relations with the Armenians
hold a somewhat different opinion about the Armenians. The Armenians
are in fact a despicable community, without any significant value.
These people can only continue their survival by exploiting others.
Moreover, the Russian peasants have their own opinions about the
Armenians.
I have frequently heard it said among Russian soldiers that the
Armenians are as rough as bears...Among the Russian troops, the
Armenians had always been considered as inferior. Those people
prefer to do anything rather than go to the front to fight. The
attempts at desertion among the Armenians and self-inflicted wounds
to avoid going to the war have justified this opinion.
The things I have heard and seen during the two months, until the
liberation of Erzurum by the Turks, have surpassed all the
allegations concerning the vicious, degenerate characteristic of
the Armenians. During the Russian occupation of Erzurum, no Armenian
was permitted to approach the city and its environs.
While the Commander of the First Army Corps, General Kaltiyin remained
in power, troops including Armenian enlisted men, were not sent to the
area. When the security measures were lifted, the Armenians began to
attack Erzurum and its surroundings. Following the attacks came the
plundering of the houses in the city and the villages and the murder
of the owners of these houses...Plundering was widely committed by
the soldiers. This plunder was mainly committed by Armenian soldiers
who had remained in the rear during the war.
One day, while passing through the streets on horseback, a group of
soldiers including an Armenian soldier began to drag two old men of
seventy years in a certain direction. The roads were covered with mud,
and these people were dragging the two helpless Turks through the mud
and dirt...
It was understood later that all these were nothing but tricks and
traps. The Turks who joined the gendarmarie soon changed their minds
and withdrew. The reason was that most of the Turks who were on night
patrol did not return, and no one knew what had happened to them. The
Turks who had been sent outside the city for labour began to disappear
also. Finally, the Court Martial which had been established for the
trials of murderers and plunderers, began to liquidate itself for
fear that they themselves would be punished. The incidents of murder
and rape, which had decreased, began to occur more frequently.
Sometime in January and February, a leading Turkish citizen Haci Bekir
Efendi from Erzurum, was killed one night at his home. The Commander
in Chief (Odiselidge) gave orders to find murderers within three days.
The Commander in Chief has bitterly reminded the Armenian intellectuals
that disobedience among the Armenian enlisted men had reached its
highest point, that they had insulted and robbed the people and half
of the Turks sent outside the city had not returned.
...We learnt the details this incident from the Commander-in-Chief,
Odishelidge. they were as follows:
The killings were organized by the doctors and the employers, and the
act of killing was committed solely by the Armenian renegades...
More than eight hundred unarmed and defenceless Turks have been
killed in Erzincan. Large holes were dug and the defenceless
Turks were slaughtered like animals next to the holes. Later, the
murdered Turks were thrown into the holes. The Armenian who stood
near the hole would say when the hole was filled with the corpses:
'Seventy dead bodies, well, this hole can take ten more.' Thus ten
more Turks would be cut into pieces, thrown into the hole, and when
the hole was full it would be covered over with soil.
The Armenians responsible for the act of murdering would frequently
fill a house with eighty Turks, and cut their heads off one by one.
Following the Erzincan massacre, the Armenians began to withdraw
towards Erzurum... The Armenian renegades among those who withdrew
to Erzurum from Erzincan raided the Moslem villages on the road, and
destroyed the entire population, together with the villages.
During the transportation of the cannons, ammunition and the carriages
that were outside the war area, certain people were hired among the
Kurdish population to conduct the horse carriages. While the travellers
were passing through Erzurum, the Armenians took advantage of the time
when the Russian soldiers were in their dwellings and began to kill
the Kurds they had hired. When the Russian soldiers heard the cries
of the dying Kurds, they attempted to help them. However, the
Armenians threatened the Russian soldiers by vowing that they would
have the same fate if they intervened, and thus prevented them from
acting. All these terrifying acts of slaughter were committed with
hatred and loathing.
Lieutenant Medivani from the Russian Army described an incident that
he witnessed in Erzurum as follows: An Armenian had shot a Kurd. The
Kurd fell down but did not die. The Armenian attempted to force the
stick in his hand into the mouth of the dying Kurd. However, since
the Kurd had firmly closed his jaws in his agony, the Armenian failed
in his attempt. Having seen this, the Armenian ripped open the abdomen
of the Kurd, disembowelled him, and finally killed him by stamping
him with the iron heel of his boot.
Odishelidge himself told us that all the Turks who could not escape
from the village of Ilica were killed. Their heads had been cut off
by axes. He also told us that he had seen thousands of murdered
children. Lieutenant Colonel Gryaznov, who passed through the village
of Ilica, three weeks after the massacre told us the following:
There were thousands of dead bodies hacked to pieces, on the roads.
Every Armenian who happened to pass through these roads, cursed and
spat on the corpses. In the courtyard of a mosque which was about
25x30 meter square, dead bodies were piled to a height of 140
centimeters. Among these corpses were men and women of every age,
children and old people. The women's bodies had obvious marks of
rape. The genitals of many girls were filled with gun-powder.
A few educated Armenian girls, who worked as telephone operators
for the Armenian troops were called by Lieutenant Colonel Gryaznov
to the courtyard of the mosque and he bitterly told them to be
proud of what the Armenians had done. To the lieutenant colonel's
disgusted amazement, the Armenian girls started to laugh and giggle,
instead of being horrified. The lieutenant colonel had severely
reprimanded those girls for their indecent behaviour. When he told
the girls that the Armenians, including women, were generally more
licentious than even the wildest animals, and that their indecent
and shameful laughter was the most obvious evidence of their inhumanity
and barbarity, before a scene that appalled even veteran soldiers,
the Armenian girls finally remembered their sense of shame and
claimed they had laughed because they were nervous.
An Armenian contractor at the Alaca Communication zone command
narrated the following incident which took place on February 20:
The Armenians had nailed a Turkish women to the wall. They had cut
out the women's heart and placed the heart on top of her head.
The great massacre in Erzurum began on February 7... The enlisted men
of the artillery division caught and stripped 270 people. Then they
took these people into the bath to satisfy their lusts. 100 people
among this group were able to save their lives as the result of
my decisive attempts. The others, the Armenians claimed, were
released when they learnt that I understood what was going on.
Among those who organized this treacherous act was the envoy to the
Armenian officers, Karagodaviev. Today, some Turks were murdered
on the streets.
On February 12, some Armenians have shot more than ten innocent
Moslems. The Russian soldiers who attempted to save these people were
threatened with death. Meanwhile I imprisoned an Armenian for
murdering an innocent Turk.
When an Armenian officer told an Armenian murderer that he would
be hanged for his crime, the killer shouted furiously: 'How dare
you hang an Armenian for killing a Turk?' In Erzurum, the
Armenians burned down the Turkish market. On February 17, I heard
that the entire population of Tepekoy village, situated within
the artillery area, had been totally annihilated. On the same
day when Antranik entered Erzurum, I reported the massacre to
him, and asked him to track down the perpetrators of this horrible
act. However no result was achieved.
In the villages whose inhabitants had been massacred, there was a
natural silence. On the night of 26/27 February, the Armenians deceived
the Russians, perpetrated a massacre and escaped for fear of the
Turkish soldiers. Later, it was understood that this massacre had
been based upon a method organized and planned in a circular.
The population had been herded in a certain place and then killed
one by one. The number of murders committed on that night reached
three thousand. It was the Armenians who bragged to about the details
of the massacre. The Armenians fighting against the Turkish soldiers
were so few in number and so cowardly that they could not even
withstand the Turkish soldiers who consisted of only five hundred
people and two cannons, for one night, and ran away. The leading
Armenians of the community could have prevented this massacre.
However, the Armenian intellectuals had shared the same ideas with
the renegades in this massacre, just as in all the others. The lower
classes within the Armenian community have always obeyed the orders
of the leading Armenian figures and commanders.
I do not like to give the impression that all Armenian intellectuals
were accessories to these murders. No, for there were people who
opposed the Armenians for such actions, since they understood that
it would yield no result. However, such people were only a minority.
Furthermore, such people were considered as traitors to the Armenian
cause. Some have seemingly opposed the Armenian murders but have
supported the massacres secretly. Some, on the other hand, preferred
to remain silent. There were certain others, who, when accused by
the Russians of infamy, would say the following: 'You are Russians.
You can never understand the Armenian cause.' The Armenians had a
conscience. They would commit massacres and then would flee in fear
of the Turkish soldiers.
The incidents that occurred only recently clearly manifest the real
nature of the Armenian ideology. Nothing which is already done can
be undone. The Armenians have sowed the seeds of havoc, but they
have forgotten that they will ultimately reap the whirlwind."
>Tha above line continues "The Journal did, however, run spot checks to
>confirm the independant verifier's work." Nor do I see in the note
>that the translator was Armenian alothough he or she might have been.
>I think you are shifting the context of what was said in the note in
>an effort to make the article appear fake. But at least you can
>mention that they did spot check the other translator's work.
Now, for a change, you check the following authentic documents out.
"Document No: 63," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
No: 6, File No: 2947, Section No: A-629, Contents No: 3-2, 3-3.
(To: Supreme Command, Thunderbolt Group Command, 6th Army
Command, 4t Army Command - Commander, 3rd Army, General Vehib
Mehmet)
"The strength of the fighting Armenians was 400 infantry, 100 cavalry
reinforced by two mountain artillery guns. Before their retreat,
Armenian gangs murdered some 30 women, children and men from the
inhabitants of Tazegul. They partly burned the village before
leaving, also burning Oreni village before withdrawing in the Erzurum
direction. Cavalry reconnaissance columns followed them in the
direction of Alaca 43 A.
Armenian gangs burnt 20 houses at Yenilkoy...Armenian gangs murdered
35 people from Askale before fleeing."
"Document No: 64," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer
No: 4, File No: 359, Section No: 103(1435), Contents No: 3-20.
(To Acting Supreme Command - Socialist Salah Cimcoz, Socialist
Nesim Mazelyah)
"Armenian gangs have been murdering and inflicting cruelties on
innocent people of the region. This verified information, supported
by clear statements of reliable eyewitnesses, was also confirmed by
General Odishelidje, Commander of the Russian Caucasian Army.
Armenians are entering every place evacuated by Russians carrying out
murders, cruelties, rape and all kind of atrocities which cannot be
expressed in writing, murdering all the women, children, aged people
who happen to be in the street. These barbarous murders repeated
every day with new methods continue and the Russian Army has been urged
to intervene to terminate these atrocities. Public opinion is appalled
and horrified. Newspapers are describing the happenings as shocking.
We have decided to inform all our friends urgently about the situation."
"Document No: 65," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
No: 5, File No: 2947, Section No: 628, Contents No: 3-1, 3-3.
(To Acting Supreme Command - Commander, 3rd Army General)
"The situation in the cities of Erzincan and Erzurum which we have
recently taken over is given below:
These two beautiful cities of our country which are alike in the
calamities and destruction which they suffered, have been destroyed,
as the specially designed and built public and private buildings of
these cities were deliberately burnt by Armenians apart from the
destruction suffered during the two-year Russian occupation.
All barracks buildings of Erzincan, the cavalry barracks in Erzurum,
the Government building and Army Corps Headquarters are among those
burnt. In short, both cities are burnt, destroyed and trees cut down.
As to the people of these cities:
All people old enough to use weapons rounded up, taken to the Sarikamis
direction for road building and were slaughtered. The remaining people,
were subject to cruelties and murder by Armenians following the
withdrawal of Russians and were partly annihilated the corpses thrown
into wells, burnt in houses, mutilated by bayonets, their abdomens
ripped open in slaughterhouses, their lungs and livers torn out, girls
and women hung up by their hair, after all kinds of devilish acts.
The few people who were able to survive these cruelties, worse than
those of the 'Spanish Inquisition,' are in poverty more dead than alive,
horrified, some driven insane, about 1500 in Erzincan and 30,000 in
Erzurum. The people are hungry and in poverty, for whatever they had
has been taken away from them, their lands left uncultivated.
The people have just been able to exist with some provisions found in
stores left over from the Russians. The villages round Erzincan and
Erzurum are in the worst condition. Some villages on the road, have
been leveled to the ground, leaving no stone, the people completely
massacred.
Let me submit to your information with deep grief and regret that
history has never before witnessed cruelties at such dimensions."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan7.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934.
p. 25.
"Years of futile and wasteful struggle against the Turkish government
finally forced the scholastic leaders of the Dashnagtzoutune, who had
directed the struggle from their safe refuges of Geneva and Tiflis, to
admit their defeat, but not their ignorance."
"We were defeated, says Mikael Varandian on page 191 of his hodge-podge
of a 'History of the Dashnagtzoutune' ...."
(to be continued...)
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan8.0...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934.
p. 38.
"The fact remains, however, that the leaders of the Turkish Armenian section
of the Dashnagtzoutune did not carry out their promise of loyalty to the
Turkish cause when the Turks entered the war...and a call was sent for
Armenian volunteers to fight the Turks on the Caucasian front."
"Thousands of Armenians from all over the world, flocked to the standards of
such famous fighters as Antranik, Kery, Dro, etc. The Armenian volunteer
regiments rendered valuable service to the Russian Army in the years of
1914-15-16."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan8.0...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
The newspaper "Horison" in its "Annual Review", while assessing the
activities of the year 1915 found two sources of comfort:
1. That revolts by the Armenians had at least taken place in Zeitun,
Vaspuragan, Mus, Sasun, and Karahisar.
2. That pro-Armenian movements had started in Europe, particularly in
England.
In this way this pro-Dashnak newspaper was also clearly admitting the
fact that rebellions had taken place. At a banquet given by the Armenians
in honour of General Nikolaev, the Commander of the Caucasian army, after
the capture of Van by Russians, the general made the following statement:
"Ever since 1626 the Russians have been trying to save the Armenians. But
political conditions have stood in their way. However, today, because of
the radical changes that have taken place in the conditions and the
compositions of nations, it may be hoped that the Armenians also will
attain their independence."
In reply to this, Aram Manukian, alias Aram Pasha, the ringleader and
commander of the Van rebellion and the recently appointed acting governor
of Van, said:
"For a month we started our rebellion, we were fighting in the expectation
that the Russians would come. We were in a dangerous situation...However,
at a time when we had given up expecting you, you came and saved us.[1]"
[1] Haiasdan, 6 July 1915, no. 25.
hasan.b.mutlu
In article: <1991Jan8.0...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)
p. 186.
"The Tartars were lying on the ground, bound hand and foot. ....Tartar
women, who in their eagerness to see what was going on had thrown back
their veils, were peering over the wall that enclosed the yard. At an
order from the commandant the soldiers began beating the Tartars. The
latter squirmed and screamed. The women raised a great uproar with their
shrieks and pleadings that mercy be shown their men. The punishment
continued until I thought it must be the intention of the commandant
to have the men beaten to death. He invited me to take a stick and flog
them. I could have found no pleasure in doing so and begged to be
excused."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <42...@ut-emx.uucp>,
ifa...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (RUHI ARSLANOGLU) articulates:
>>[ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle]...................
>Why don't you make your comments on your own cases? You are under serious
>accusations for lying in the public. I don't think that someone with
>so much dirt on his hands can manage to clean anything.
> Few more words about your lies that my posting was calling Armenians
>prostitutes, bitches. You are still insisting on claiming this false
>argument. If anyone who cares and takes a look at back to original posting
>(mine), will see that there is no word mentioning any group of people or
>nation or nothing. I don't understand why it made David Davidian think I
>meant Armenians. Might it be, because you needed a way to escape your
>difficult situation as an exposed liar? But of course, I need to warn all of
>you to find "the original posting" not "the fake one". It happens, you
>know from time to time! Especially when David Davidian is making the quoting.
>Are you joking ........? What have you found in my response as racist?
>Is it racism to show reaction when someone mails you his insults about
>your mother and sisters? Is it racism to expose someone who insults me?
>How can you support and "understand" such a disgusting insult?
> Well well...
> What a coincidence? Anti-Turkish propagandist David Davidian is
>joining to someone who was hiding his name and acting like an American.
>Do you want to know who LNF is? His name is
> L A W R E N C E F A R K A S.
>Sounds familiar to whom supports Anti-Turkish propaganda, isn't it?
>Especially, people who are dreaming reconquering Turkiye after establishing
>some sort of joined military power at the other side of the Aegean Sea
>and calling the east side to join them for freedom. You all know who
>they are, don't you?
>Why am I not surprised at LNF claiming that his name was "Larry" and insisting
>on hiding his name? Why did he prefer to behave as a sensitive American
>to insult a Turkish national? Why did he so easily manage to get the
>help of you against me? If you are looking for racism, try to find
>it within this example of collaboration against me and your readiness to
>defend anything anti-Turkish, even when it is done with such a shameless and
>disgusting insult.
>Ruhi
Well-spoken, Ruhi. Couldn't have said it better myself, but, I can add
my voice to your well-articulated article and say I heartily agree.
BTW, would 'farkas' not imply 'kahpe' in Ottoman language?
Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 48," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 162, Drawer
No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 4-39, 4-40.
(To the Third Army Command - Acting Commander 36th Caucasian
Division, Lt. Col. Recep)
"Ertkendi Village Moughtar (headman) Feyzi, son of Ismail and Gozeler
Village Moughtar Halil Efendi, son of Mustafa have just arrived in
Kemah on horseback.
As their previous statements have completely confirmed, Armenians have
been carrying out acts of massacres on Moslem population in Erzincan
for two days. They are planting bombs at houses which they cannot
break into, or burning these houses by using kerosene. Seven bombs
were thrown at the New Mosque today...Artillery gun sound are heard
from the direction of Mamahatun. Armenians reportedly have two more
artillery guns at Harbiye Barracks, apart from their two guns at
Erzincan. Reportedly there are 500 Kurds at Cice passage of Kelek
(Poluk) Village and 700 in Pulumur. Son of Kurd Memis Aga is
reportedly positioned at Spikur front with 80 men. Apparently only
men remained in Erzincan. The fate of the women and children is unknown.
Three branches of service may pass (infantry, artillery and cavalry)
through Kemah Erzincan road, provided that the bridges are well
reserved and protected. Bridges built by the Russians across the Pratik
were destroyed by Armenians three days ago. If some forces cannot get
there at once, it is extremely likely that all bridges and villages
will be destroyed. If we are supported by 60 soldiers, or by 100
rifles and a sufficient number of soldiers, you will save all villages
up to one hour from Erzincan on the West. All hopes for the women
and children rest with the Army. If the Army does not come to help,
they will tear us all into pieces, the population says. And they swear
this is so...
According to information from peasants in the region, Armenian gangs
reinforced by six artillery guns retreated to the East via Yenikoy
46 G. During their withdrawal they slaughtered some 300 defenseless
Moslems and burnt the corpses."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan8.2...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934.
p. 45.
"We are again going to quote from Kachaznouni, the one time prime minister
of Armenia, in order to show, that the Dashnag government failed to take
measures to avoid this disastrous war.
'It is an irrefutable fact, says Kachaznouni, a flagrant fact, that we
have not done everything that we should have done - it was our duty to
do - in order to avoid war.
And we have not done everything for the simple but unpardonable reason,
that we were ignorant of the real strength of the Turks, and too sure of our
own strengths. There lies the fundamental mistake. We were not afraid of
war, because we were sure of being victorious. With the carelessness of
inexperienced and ignorant men, we were not aware of the forces that the
Turks had organized on our borders, and so we were not cautious.'"
(to be continued...)
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan8.2...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
The "Droshak", the organ of the Dashnaktsutiun Revolutionary Committee,
writes as follows:[1]
"Armenian youth is accused of ignorance and irresponsibility, of boasting,
swaggering and provocative behaviour. It is true that, in giving expression
to their feelings towards the constitution, their feelings of ardour and
longing, young Armenians have perhaps gone to excessive lengths and acted
in a somewhat undisciplined and irresponsible manner...All this intensified
the hatred towards the Armenians that already existed among the more
ignorant strata of Moslem society, and confirmed Moslem belief that for
hundreds of years the Armenians had nursed feelings of animosity towards
them. It also convinced them that the constitutional movements had been
instigated by the Armenians themselves in order to obtain greater freedom
of action, and that the power and influence they had thus acquired would
be employed to root out and exterminate the Moslems."
[1] Droshak, No. 7, 1909; Leo, "Documents on the Armenian Question,"
Tiflis, 1915, pp. 59-61.
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan8.2...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)
p. 192.
"Great swarms of peasants who had come out of their hiding-places on the
retreat of the Turks followed our army as it advanced.... They entered
into the city with the army and immediately began plundering the stores
that had been left by the Turks."
p. 193.
"Terrible vengeance was taken upon Tartars, Kurds and Turks. Their villages
were destroyed and they themselves were slain or driven out of the country."
p. 195.
"The fanatical Dashnacks hated the Turks above all others and then in order
of diminishing intensity: Tartars, Kurds and Russians."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan9.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)
"Foreword"
"In the meantime I had been applying myself to the study of Russian. As
I acquired a language of the language I made a point of practising its
use on Ohanus...
At the end of my first year in the Caucasus I had gained a fair command
of Russian. By this time Ohanus had become almost indispensable to me
in my work, and had gained my respect and my affection. He had become
my constant companion and my close friend...
I have personally verified the complete truth of most of what is set
down in the following pages. I visited the scenes of many of his
adventures and experiences and talked with many of the men who are
brought into his narrative."
p. 19.
"The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of
ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same
fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan9.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Quotes from Admiral Bristol's March 28, 1921 letter on the Armenian
genocide of the Muslims.
"While the Dashnaks were in power they did everything in the world to keep the
pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars."
"By massacring the Moslems; and robbing and destroying their homes; and finally
by starting an attack against the Turks which resulted in a counter attack
by the Turks, and then the Armenians deserted and ran away."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan9....@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: Esat Uras, "The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question,"
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.
p. 695.
The slogan of the committee ran: "Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them
and in whatever circumstances you find them. Kill all backsliders, traitors
and informers. Take Revenge![1]"
"The first aim of the Dashnaktsutiun was the instigation of internal revolt.
It was hoped that this would lead to the same results as had been achieved
in Bulgaria and the Lebanon.[2]"
[1] M. Varandian, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun," Paris, 1932, p. 85.
[2] ibid., p. 85.
According to Leo:[1]
"The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on
the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own
affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was
actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the
Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party
political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian
bayonets for their success."
[1] B. A. Leo. "The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey,"
vol II, p. 157.
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan9.1...@cs.umn.edu>,
co...@tera.cs.umn.edu (A.Coras) writes:
> Source: "Propaganda Technique in the World War", by Harold D.Lasswel.
> Source: "Falsehood in War-Time", by Arthur Ponsonby, M.P., 1917.
> p.11
> "A lie never lives to be old."
> SOPHOCLES.
> "When war is declared, Truth is the first casualty."
> THE MANUFACTURE OF NEWS
> The Fall of Antwerp, Nov 1914.
Funny, you should post that, Ahmet. According to historians and
historical documents, the Armenian hoax constituted a perfect subject
for propaganda for England. Wellington House soon began to work on the
Armenian file and published a book called "The Treatment of Armenians
in the Ottoman Empire" which was based on Armenian sources and documents
gathered together by Armenian propagandists from second and third
hand sources, and validity of these documents was not controlled.
Although this poor work was attributed to Lord Bryce [1] as part
of an effort to increase its credibility, it was in fact compiled
by Arnold Toynbee who was at the time a young author and intelligence
officer as I exposed earlier. When the First World War broke out, the
Armenians started to massacre the Muslim population of eastern Anatolia
to establish an independent state for themselves at the expense of
millions of innocent Muslims as declared and admitted by the Armenians
themselves. However, according to Toynbee, there was no Armenian
genocide squads, no Armenian rebellions, no Armenian massacres
of the Muslims, and they never tried to collaborate with the enemy.
Then Toynbee created hair raising scenes of massacres without
mentioning his sources, without comparing his sources, and without
giving the names and surnames of his witnesses. He described the
myth in great detail as if he had been one of the victims.[2]
His goal in doing so is obvious. As Ponsonby says, during a war
'tales of savagery are very popular. A war cannot be fought especially
by this country (England) and by the United States without them.
Slandering the enemy was regarded as a national duty.'[3]
The same author goes on to say that tales of savagery were repeated
interminably day after day in brochures, posters, letters and speeches:
'Famous personalities who would avoid condemning even their deadly
enemies for lack of evidence did not hesitate to serve as leaders
in accusing a whole nation every conceivable savagery and unnatural
murders.'[4]
Toynbee later admitted that he was a paid propagandist and corrected
himself. In the meantime, the tale of savagery and myth had to find
support. Otherwise, the partitioning of Turkey among the Allies would
become difficult. And I guess, you all know the rest of the story. The
Kemalist forces had to kick some butts, including those of Armenian
genocide squads and their clandestine genocide organizations.
[1] Let us also remember that Lord Bryce put his signature to an
official British publication on German 'cruelties' as well.
M. Megret, "Psikolojik Savas," Istanbul, 1972, p. 65.
[2] "The Treatment of ..."
[3] A. Ponsonby, "Falsehood in War Time," New York, 1917, p. 22.
[4] Ibid., p. 129.
Source: James Duane Squires (Professor of History), "British Propaganda
at Home and in The United States From 1914 to 1917," Harvard
University Press, Cambridge, 1935. (113 pages)
p. 7.
"An immense propaganda literature covering all the phases of the matter,
particularly its more lurid ones, was soon in existence. The most
famous pamphleteer who entered the lists was none other than Mr.
Gladstone. A few years later, the chronic Armenian-Turkish problem
set loose another mass of propaganda, and again Mr. Gladstone rushed
into the fray with a pamphlet."
p. 10.
"It has sometimes been said that propaganda was a discovery of the
last war, but a careful study - which has not yet been made - of
propaganda in the Revolution would result in matching all the
efforts made between 1914 and 1918."
pp. 16-17.
"As Lord Bryce said early in the summer of 1915:
'Newspapers and pamphlets will convey to posterity sufficiently, and
even more than sufficiently, the notions and fancies and passions
of the moment.'
The flood of pamphlets was produced chiefly by the official bureau,
of which more later, but also partly by scores of unofficial or
volunteer groups and organizations."
pp. 22-23.
"In the second place, the Union of Democratic Control is worthy of note
because its publications from 1914 onward reveal the dishonesty of
much of the propaganda which was considered absolutely authentic by
the vast majority of persons in war-time England and throughout the
Allied world between 1914 and 1918. It is easy to disparage today
any effort at the evaluation of war-time propaganda by urging that
the authors of the pamphlets then written were sincerely ignorant
of the real facts as disclosed by subsequent research..."
p. 28.
"To carry out this ambitious task [propaganda] Mr. Masterman assembled
a varied and interesting staff. At the head of it were first Sir
Claud Schuster and afterwards Sir Ernest Gowers...Sir Gilbert Parker
was Director of American propaganda with Professor Macneile Dixon of
Glaskow University, Mr. A. J. Toynbee of Balliol College [Yes, our dear
friend Toynbee! - hbm]..."
p. 35.
"the News Department...the imaginative department, the fiction department,
the body which dresses up the facts for presentment to the public, a
most important function, and one leaving scope for individual imagination."
p. 43.
"One of them, who was also an intimate friend of Roosevelt's, had with
the writer of these words an important conversation worthy of being
repeated. He said: 'In the United States there are at present perhaps
50,000 persons who feel that the nation should immediately intervene
in the war on your side. But there are over 100,000,000 Americans who
do not so think. Our duty is to reverse these figures so that the
50,000 may become 100,000,000.'"
p. 77.
"Great Britain entered the World War with nothing that could even
remotely be termed an official propaganda department. She finished
the struggle with the best developed and probably the most effective
organization devoted to propaganda of any of the belligerent nations."
Jack Campin
> Let the facts speak for themselves. The ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and
> Revisionism Triangle has yet to renounce its charter which specifically
> calls for the elimination and extermination of the Turkish people.
I have no idea what ARF (the Armenian one) may stand for, but I have read
the manifesto of the SDPA and some programmatic documents by ASALA, and
neither of them calls for any such thing. I don't support either group,
and especially not ASALA, but that doesn't mean I feel driven to fantasize
about them. Irredentism does not mean extermination; the worst one could
say about ASALA is that its politics resembles that of Zionism, whose
repellent goals and methods still fall a long way short of genocide.
Have you seen an SDPA document I haven't?
If you expect us to believe what you say about 1915, get a sense of
proportion into what you say about organizations that are still around and
declaring where they stand in the 90s.
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hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan9.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: "The Diplomacy of Imperialism," by William L. Langer, New York
(Alfred A. Knopf), 1960, pp. 157-160.
The record of Armenian revolutionary activities against the Ottoman Empire
is dealt with in detail in the work of the Harvard University diplomatic
historian, William Langer. Langer traces the manner by which the Armenian
revolutionaries sought to incite European intervention on behalf of their
cause. Specifically, by massacring innocent Muslim villagers, they hoped to
provoke counter-violence which would then serve as a pretext for European
intervention.
Langer writes:
"Europeans in Turkey have agreed that the immediate aim of the agitators
was to incite disorder, bring about inhuman reprisals, and so provoke the
intervention of the powers. For that reason, it was said that, they operated
by preference in areas where the Armenians were in hopelessly minority, so
that reprisals would be certain. One of the revolutionaries told Dr. Hamlin,
the founder of Robert College, that Henchak bands would:
'watch their opportunity to kill Turks and Kurds, set fire to their
villages, and then make their escape into the mountains. The enraged
Moslems will then rise, and fall upon the defenseless Armenians and
slaughter them with such barbarity that Russia will enter in the name of
humanity and Christian civilization and take possession.'"
(to be continued...)
hasan.b.mutlu
<73...@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk>
ja...@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
>h...@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu) wrote:
>> Let the facts speak for themselves. The ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and
>> Revisionism Triangle has yet to renounce its charter which specifically
>> calls for the elimination and extermination of the Turkish people.
>I have no idea what ARF (the Armenian one) may stand for,
I went through this just a few days ago in the same article quoted
above (which by the way was conveniently scissored) - here it comes again.
ARF == Armenian Revolutionary Federation == Dashnaktsutiun.
The ARF (Eastern Bureau) planned and implemented massacres of the Muslim
population and revolutionary activities in the Ottoman Empire. It adopted
terror as its method of slaughtering the innocent Muslim children, women
and elderly people. In areas so-called Armenia, Armenians were living as
small islands among Muslims who constituted 87% of the general population.
Even if all Armenians worldwide were to be brought to this area, they
would not be able to constitute a majority in Eastern Anatolia. Thus,
as one great scholar wrote, starting with this suspicion, the ARF thought
terror was necessary from two perspectives. First, actions of individual
terror and mass massacres would be the most effective way of making the
Muslim inhabitants of the so-called Armenia flee. Just as had been the
case with emigrations from Rumelia, these Muslims would be forced to
desert their homes if the Ottoman State failed to protect their lives,
and those who would refuse to emigrate would be subjected to massacres
and genocide by the Armenian genocide squads so that the area would
eventually be left entirely to Armenians. Secondly, the ARF knew that
they would not be able to succeed in their cause by themselves. The ARF
believed that the powers which controlled world politics could be attracted
to this subject only through 'terrorism' and 'massacres' of the Muslims.
Thus, if the people in Eastern Anatolia would be provoked enough through
massacres and uprisings, civil war would easily break out in this area.
To put it briefly, Western intervention was regarded as indispensable
for the 'Armenianization' of Eastern Anatolia and massacres and genocide
of the Muslims were regarded as the sole key to the door which would
usher in that intervention under existing conditions.
Uprisings and massacres of the Muslims: 1890 (Erzurum), 1890 (Kumkapi),
1892 and 1893 (Kayseri, Yozgat, Corum and Merzifon), 1894 (Sasun), 1895
(Zeytun), 1896 (Van and Ottoman Bank raid), 1903 (second Sasun), 1905
(attempt to assassinate Sultan Abdulhamid), 1909 (Adana). Just to give you
an idea, it is recorded in some Armenian sources that in Zeytun alone 20,000
Turks were slaughtered. And, millions of innocent Muslims were butchered by the
ARF members (Armenian genocide squads) before, during and after World War
I as has already been exposed. I hope you have read the remaining portion
of the above quoted article which exposed the current charter of the ARF
and the plans against the people of Turkey by the criminal members of the
ARF. (To tell the truth, I doubt it since you seem to be questioning the
meaning of ARF).
>but I have read
>the manifesto of the SDPA and some programmatic documents by ASALA, and
>neither of them calls for any such thing.
You must have read an Armenian propaganda movie script. Anything that you
say has to have been understood by you. I disagree. Your protestations
of non-bias are mostly irrelevant. Enjoy it.
"It is unfortunate that the attitude of the Turkish government vis-a-vis
Armenian demands dictates that more people have to die in pursuit of
justice."
SDPA <9...@urartu.UUCP>
Homework: Where did the following quote appear?
"The victim killed by the bullets of an Armenian has no meaning as
an individual for the Armenians."
"STRATEGIC PRINCIPLES
>I don't support either group,
>and especially not ASALA, but that doesn't mean I feel driven to fantasize
>about them. Irredentism does not mean extermination; the worst one could
>say about ASALA is that its politics resembles that of Zionism, whose
>repellent goals and methods still fall a long way short of genocide.
This is the sort of ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle
argument that would justify Armenians' hostility to the people of Turkey,
or, for that matter, hostility to Azeris trying to live in peace. I am
somewhat (though not completely) surprised that you would make this
argument. As the people of Turkey put it: 'Gorunen koy kilavuz istemez.'
>Have you seen an SDPA document I haven't?
I guess you should address this question to FBI and CIA.
>If you expect us to believe what you say about 1915, get a sense of
>proportion into what you say about organizations that are still around and
>declaring where they stand in the 90s.
Why should I expect you to believe the cold-blooded extermination of millions
of Muslims by the Armenians before, during and after World War I? The
history speaks for itself. I am just a messenger for the 95 percent of
the Ottoman experts in this country and the 100 percent of the historians
in 'Turkiye.' That's all.
p. 354.
p. 358.
p. 360.
Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian
armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume
II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."
(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.
"In April 1915, even before the deportation orders were issued, Dashnaks
from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose
33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an
Armenian majority of any city in the Empire... Leaving Erivan on April
28, 1915, only a day after the deportation orders had been issued in
Istanbul and long before news of them could have reached the east,
Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried
out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the
next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the
southern side of the lake."
Source: "Adventures in the Near East," by A. Rawlinson,
Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923)
(287 pages).
(British officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the Muslims)
p. 184 (second paragraph)
"...I had received further very definite information of horrors that
had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as
I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their treatment
of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from Zivin that
'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not be left in
independent command of the Moslem population, as, their troops being
without discipline and not under effective control, atrocities were
constantly being committed, for which we should with justice
eventually be held to be morally responsible'."
p. 177 (third paragraph)
"...Armenian troops, who, having pillaged and destroyed all the
Moslem villages in the plain...."
"Caravans of refugees were in the meanwhile constantly arriving from the
plain, from which the whole Moslem population was fleeing with as much of
their personal property as they could transport, seeking to obtain security
and protection..."
p. 178 (first paragraph)
"...in those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been searched for
arms by the Armenians everything had been taken under the cloak of such
search, and not only had many Moslems been killed, but horrible tortures
had been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as to where
valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were aware of the existence,
although they had been unable to find them."
p. 179 (first paragraph)
"Shortly afterwards the head of the miserable column appeared. There were
in all about 200 persons, mostly old men and women and children, with a
few ox-carts, ponies, and donkeys, carrying all their worldly possessions,
except a few sheep that they were driving before them. Their leader
interviewed Bekir Bey, and was told to keep farther on into the hills,
where he would be able to cross the frontier into Turkey unmolested by
his enemies."
p. 181 (first paragraph)
"...the Armenians from the plain were attacking the Kurdish line with
artillery, with probably a large force in support."
p. 175 (first paragraph)
"The arrival of this British brigade was followed by the announcement
that Kars Province had been allotted by the Supreme Council of the
Allies to the Armenians, and that announcement having been made, the
British troops were then completely withdrawn, and Armenian occupation
commenced. Hence all the trouble; for the Armenians at once commenced
the wholesale robbery and persecution of the Muslem population on the
pretext that it was necessary forcibly to deprive them of their arms.
In the portion of the province which lies in the plains they were able
to carry out their purpose, and the manner in which this was done will
be referred to in due course.
p. 241 (second paragraph)
"...he himself wished to 'drink the blood of the Turks', and also
to establish Bolshevik committees and every other kind of horror
all over the country."
According to the historians and historical documents, the Russians
have provoked Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire, by promises
that they will be granted independence in territories to be
annexed from Ottoman land, and that they have brought many of own
men disguised as Turkish peasants to the Armenian villages in the
Ottoman Empire, that they have stored arms and ammunition in many
places to be distributed to Armenians, and moreover, the Russian
General Loris Melikov went to Van region for the same purpose.
In this context, Armenian leaders in the Ottoman Empire, have decided
to pursue the following policy:
To preserve their loyalty in tranquillity pending the declaration
of war. If war is to be declared, Armenian soldiers in the Ottoman
army will join the enemy with their arms.
Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 15," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer
No: 3, File No: 520, Section No: 2024, Contents No: 11-1; 11-3.
(19 Feb 330 '4 March 1915', District Governor Kemal)
"List of male inhabitants of Mergehu Village murdered or annihilated
with the utmost savagery by local Armenians who joined Armenian gangs
strengthening the Russian Forces:
Names Method of Annihilation
----- ----------------------
Haci Ibrahim, son of Abdi Bullets and bayonet
Abdi, son of Haci Ibrahim Bullets and bayonet
Reso, son of Abdi Beaten and cut into pieces
Sado, son of Omer Beaten and cut into pieces
Aso, son of Reso Beaten and cut into pieces
Kulu, son of Canko Stabbed in the eye with a bayonet
Musa, son of Canko Bayonet in his eye
Emin, son of Molla Hamit Bayonet in his eye
Molla Abdullah, son of Hamit Bayonet in his eye
Ibo, son of Haci Bayonet in his eye
Sado, son of Haci Bayonet in his eye
Abdullah, son of Canko Slaughtered
Ibo, son of Ahmet Abdomen ripped open
Ismail, son of Ibo Burnt in fire
Musto, son of Ozu Bullets
Mahmut, son of Seyyo Slaughtered
Kocak, son of Birro Bullets
Musto, son of Husnu Bullets
Uso, son of Alo Bullets
Maksut, son of Peri Bullets
Haci, son of Peri Bullets
Mehmet, son of Hasanali Bayonet
Ibo, son of Hasanali Bayonet
Abdo, son of Mehmed Bayonet
Molla Suleyman Burnt in oven
Mazgi, son of Abdullah Stabbed in abdomen by bayonet
Sulis, son of Hasan Bullets
Mahmo, son of Mehmet Stabbed with a dagger
Murat, son of Hasan Stabbed with a dagger
Uso, son of Avci Blinded with a bayonet
Lesko, son of Mehmet Stabbed with a dagger
Abdullah, son of Kasim Bullets
Coban Abdullah Bullets
Seymo, son of Mumin Bullets
Muammer, son of Reso Bullets
Paso, son of Merzi Bullets
Gulu, son of Bitor Bullets
Murat, son of Yusuf Bullets and bayonet
Cedo, son of Haci Ibrahim Bullets and bayonet
Faki Mehmet Bullets and bayonet
Silo, son of Abdulcebbar Bullets and bayonet
List of massacred females from the same village:
Kasi, daughter of Huso and
wife of Haci Ibrahim Bullets
Fati, daughter of Isa,
wife of Aduz Bullets
Zeresan, daughter of Amat,
wife of Reso Bayonet
Gullu, daughter of Iyso Cutting off her breasts
Sulnu, daughter of Sulo, Ripping open her abdomen and burning
wife of Ibo her baby in oven
Fatma, daughter of Ibo Slaughtered and burnt in oven
Fidan hatun Burnt in oven
Gulfizar, daughter of Hacihan,
wife of Musto Slaughtered
Rahime, daughter of Mehmet,
wife of Halil Bullets
Binefs, daughter of Haci Kerim,
wife of Suleyman Burnt in oven
Mahiye, daughter of Ali,
wife of Sivno Slaughtered
Hati, daughter of Haci,
wife of Ahmet Slaughtered
Hacer, daughter of Meho Bullet and bayonet
List of Females of the same village raped and murdered:
Nadire, daughter of Haci, wife of Suvis
Hani, daughter of Kulu, wife of Zerko
Zaliha, daughter of Telli, wife of Silo
Arap, daughter of Sami, wife of Hilo
Wounded males and females of the same village:
(a long list)
List of massacred males and females at Istuci village:
Mikail, son of Alo Bullets
Musto, son of Ismail Bullets
Dervis, son of Maksut Bullets
Ali, son of Nimet Bayonet
Esat, son of Kelo Bayonet and bullets
Isa, son of Nebi Bayonet and bullets
Cevher, son of Gani Beaten by rifle butt
Ziro, daughter of Hasan Died from injuries
Hazal, daughter of Ali,
wife of Acem Died from injuries
Hamsa, daughter of Huseyin,
wife of Huseyin Died from injuries
List of raped women at Istuci village in life:
Sabo, daughter of Maho Virgin
Miri, other daughter of Maho Virgin
Emine, daughter of Meho, wife
of Sofi Salih
Sahap, daughter of Ali, wife
of Nevruz
Gullu, daughter of Mahi Virgin
List of persons attacked by Armenian gangs:
(a long list)
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan9.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)
p. 133.
"In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who
had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians
abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of
these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the
brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some,
mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method
employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after
crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw."
(to be continued...)
hasan.b.mutlu
<73...@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk>
ja...@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
>ifa...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (RUHI ARSLANOGLU) wrote:
>>[ apropos somebody responsible for a revolting bit of racist email ]
>> Do you want to know who LNF is? His name is
>> L A W R E N C E F A R K A S.
>> Sounds familiar to whom supports Anti-Turkish propaganda, isn't it?
>> Especially, people who are dreaming reconquering Turkiye after establishing
>> some sort of joined military power at the other side of the Aegean
>> Sea [...]
>Looks like you think "Farkas" is a Greek name.
>It's actually Hungarian.
So what? I am at a loss to figure out what you're trying to imply here.
To the fact that 'farkas', that beacon of intellectual brilliance,
responded pusillanimously to something Ruhi said there with the word
'kahpe'? I am a bit disturbed over the way you chose to answer Ruhi's
thoughtful article. There seems to be an implicit assumption in your
reasoning that the last name is the trademark of one's national origin
which is surely false. Therefore, what you have stated in your article
is a bunch of frantic speculation and does not eliminate Ruhi's basic
premise.
In any case,
Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 42," Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 110, Drawer
No: 1(4), File No: 373, Section No: 1484(1032), Contents No: 9, 9-1.
(To the Office of Acting Supreme Commander - Acting Assistant
Section Director Major Ali Sukru)
"It is sufficient to mention just some of the terrible and shameful crimes
committed only in Erzurum to get an idea about the Armenian atrocities
in the villages...
I would also like to mention with disgust and abominable sight, a stain
on humanity, that I encountered at the west of Hasankale while my regiment
was proceeding into this town. There was a young Turkish women, apparently
once a very beautiful one, lying dead on one side of the road. A huge
stick had been inserted into her vagina. We took the corpses and left it
at a spot that was invisible from the road..."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan9.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: 'The Wall Street Journal,' Friday, November 23, 1990.
Page 1, Column 3, "World-Wide News."
"Soviet authorities sent troops to reinforce outposts along the border
between the southern republics of Azerbaijan and Armenia after four
days of ethnic-related violence. The Tass News Agency said villages
inside Azerbaijan have been attacked by Armenians armed with machine
guns, mortars and flame-throwers stolen from army depots."
The Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's eastern provinces,
massacred millions of defenseless Muslim women, children and elderly
people, burned Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated the
entire Muslim population of Armenian dictatorship. Such outrageous
sleight of hand that is still employed today in Soviet Armenia brings
a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide that is hard to match.
A hundred years ago Armenians again thought they could get whatever they
wanted through sheer terror like the Russian anarchists that they
accepted as role models. Several Armenian terror groups like
ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle resorted to the same
tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent Turks and their
families in the United States and Europe. It seems that they are doing
it again, at a different scale, in Soviet Armenia today.
The Armenian genocide of the Muslims will not be allowed to repeat
and the history will not repeat itself.
(to be continued...)
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan9....@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: K. S. Papazian, "Patriotism Perverted," Baikar Press, Boston, 1934.
p. 15.
"Method No. 8 is as follows:-
To wage fight, and to subject to terrorism the government officials, the
traitors, the betrayers, the usurers, and the exploiters of all description".
Method No. 11 is:-
"To subject the government institutions to destruction and pillage".
......
At first, these terrorist methods were resorted to in order to obtain money
for the revolutionary movements in the Turkish territory.
p. 25.
"...Some real fighters sprang up from among the people, who struck terror
into the hearts of the Turks."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan10....@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: "The Diplomacy of Imperialism," by William L. Langer, New York
(Alfred A. Knopf), 1960, pp. 157-160.
"When the horrified missionary denounced the scheme as atrocious and infernal
beyond anything ever known, he received this reply:
'It appears so to you, no doubt; but we Armenians have determined to be
free. Europe listened to Bulgarian horrors and made Bulgaria free. She
will listen to our cry when it goes up in the shrieks and blood of
millions of women and children ... We are desperate. We shall do it.'"
And so the revolutionaries began to get what they wanted - reprisals. It
mattered not to them that perfectly innocent people were being made to
suffer for the realization of a program drawn up by a group in Geneva or
Athens, a group which had never been given any mandate whatever by the
Armenian community.
Hogarth tells of Armenians in the provinces who said they wished the
patriots would leave them alone. But these people were not consulted by
others for the sacrifice; their lives were the price to be paid for the
realization of the fantastic national-socialist state of the fanatics."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan10.1...@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>,
ah...@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet) exposed yet another
criminal act of a registered felon:
>But there was one more thing to check:The original posting of Mutlu.I
>found the original article of Mutlu.It is as follows:
>> According to Leo:[1]
>>"The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on
>> the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own
>> affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was
>> actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the
>> Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party
>> political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian
>> bayonets for their success."
>>[1] B. A. Leo. "The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey," vol II,
======================================================================
>> p. 157.
>> ======
>QUATO IS THE SAME, REFERENCE IS DIFFERENT !
>DAVIDIAN LIED AGAIN, AND THIS TIME HE CHANGED THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF
>MUTLU JUST TO ACCUSE HIM TO BE A LIAR.
Interesting. I would never have thought that the criminal members of
the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle would have gone
that far. No, I take that back, I would have.
What were you expecting from a compulsive liar and a felon, Ahmet?
Suffice to say, however, the criminal members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF
Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle have long been known to forge
documents and fabricate when it serves their pathetic illusory mental
images to do so. And of course, they will get what they deserve for the
rest of their lives.
As a human, we should be more concerned with the death toll of innocent
Muslims who were ruthlessly exterminated by the Armenian genocide
squads before, during and after World War I than those street dogs who
slaver with forged documents, fabrications, lies and non-existent
quotes. BTW, thanks for revealing yet another criminal attempt by the
ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle for future reference.
>You are the biggest liar I have ever seen.This example showed me that
>tomorrow you can lie again, and you may try to make me a liar this
>time.So I decided not to read your articles and not to write answers
>to you.I also advise all the netters to do the same.We can not prevent
>your lies, but at least we may save time by not dealing with your lies.
Leave that insipid criminal puke alone, Ahmet. That is how the mind of a
notorious exposed liar and an undereducated criminal works. In other
words, don't wrestle with a pig; you'll both get dirty and pig likes it.
As the people of Turkey put it: 'dogs bark, but the caravan goes on.'
Well, anyway, let me continue to further expose the cold-blooded
extermination of millions of innocent Muslims by the Armenians before,
during and after World War I.
Armenian genocide squads perpetrated acts of sabotage, destroyed
telephone cables, blew up bridges, blocked passes, set up ambushes,
attacked security stations and small Turkish outposts behind the Ottoman
Army lines on the one hand, and on the other ruthlessly attacked
Turkish and Kurdish villages, slaughtering the Turkish population
indiscriminately, women, children, old and young alike. Innocent
Muslims were one by one cruelly bayonetted to death, or massacred with
axes and swords, or else shut up in mosques or in schools and then burnt
alive as can be seen below.
Widespread Armenian massacres of innocent Muslims took place in regions
of Van, Kars, Sivas, Erzurum, Bitlis, Erzincan, Mus, Diyarbakir and
Maras. The Ottoman Army, while fighting to prevent the Russian invasion,
also had to deal with Armenian genocide squads who cowardly hit from
behind. The Armenian genocide of the Muslims spread to all parts of
Eastern Anatolia. Starting from late 1914, Armenians committed
widespread massacres and genocide in Eastern Anatolia, because the arena
was left to the Armenians. Almost every Turkish town and village from
Erzincan up to Azerbaidjan suffered large scale massacres and genocide
by Armenians and the Turkish genocide has been documented by Armenian,
Russian, American, British, Ottoman, German, Austrian and French
journalists and officers who observed the first genocide of this century
committed by the blood-thirsty Armenian genocide squads.
The Ottoman Army, liberating Trabzon, Bayburt, Erzincan, Erzurum,
Kars and other regions from the Russians, saw that the cities and their
villages had been destroyed and burnt, people slaughtered, massacred.
The massacres conducted by Armenians, which became a black stain for
humanity, shocked and disgusted even the Russian, British, German,
Austrian, French and American authorities.
Almost every Ottoman document is related to Armenian massacres and
cruelties. The inhuman treatment, cruelties, atrocities, genocide by
Armenian genocide squads perpetrated against innocent Moslem Turkish
and Kurdish people, are sufficiently reflected in historical documents.
Even today over seventy-five years later, the terrifying screams of
the victims of these cruelties can be heard.
Now, let us see what an American officer had to say about the Armenian
genocide of millions of Muslims.
Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers,
Inc., New York (1952).
(Memoirs of an American officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)
p. 361 (fourth paragraph)
"Corpses came next, the first a pretty child with straight black hair, large
eyes. She looked about twelve years old. She lay in some stubble where meal
lay scattered from the sack she'd been toting. The bayonet had gone through
her back, I judged, for blood around was scant. Between the breasts one clot,
too small for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun dress.
The next was a boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and knee-pants. He lay
face down in the path by several huts. One arm reached out to the pewter
bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its dough. Steel had jabbed just below
his neck, into the spine.
There were grownups, too, I saw as I led the sorrel around. Djul was empty
of the living till I looked up to see beside me Dro's German-speaking colonel.
He said all Tartars who had not escaped were dead."
Now, let us see what an Armenian officer had to say about the Armenian
genocide of millions of Muslims.
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)
p. 133 (first paragraph)
"In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who
had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians
abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of
these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the
brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some,
mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method
employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after
crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw."
And, let the facts speak for themselves on the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims.
Source: "From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne" by Avetis Aharonian. The
Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn, Sep. 1963, pp. 47-57.
p. 52 (second paragraph).
"Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders
of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged
massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is
intolerable. Look - and here he pointed to a file of official documents
on the table - look at this, here in December are the reports of the last
few months concerning ruined Tartar villages which my representative
Wardrop has sent me. The official Tartar communique speaks of the
destruction of 300 villages."
p. 54 (fifth paragraph).
"Yes, of course. I repeat, until this massacre of the Tartars is stopped
and the three chiefs are not removed from your military leadership I
hardly think we can supply you arms and ammunition."
"...it is the armed bands led by Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian who
during the past months have raided and destroyed many Tartar villages in
the regions of Surmali, Etchmiadzin, Zangezour, and Zangibasar. There are
official charges of massacres."
hasan.b.mutlu
<29246@usc>
ashd...@pollux.usc.edu (Anna Ashdjian)
>Subject: We OWE nothing to anyone, on the contrary...
Not only is this statement not true but one must examine closely
any statement of 'asci baci' which would imply that the whole world
has one specific view of the people of Turkey. For whatever reason,
'asci baci' does not seem to understand that there was a "Genocide of
the Muslims" carried out by order of the Armenian Dictatorship. Turks
and Kurds were innocent victims of the blood-thirsty criminal leaders of
the Armenian Dictatorship. During the period of 1914 to 1922, Armenians
ordered, incited, assisted and participated in the genocide of millions
of innocent Muslim people because of race, religion and national origin.
If you endorse the genocidal acts of your predecessors then it seems to
me that you should be forced to justify your beliefs or accept the negative
consequences which will flow from having taken such a stance. The justice
for millions of innocent Muslim people is long overdue.
> Ignorance plays the chief part among men, and the
> multitude of words.
> Laertius Cleobulus, 4
While I appreciate that you may read literature, your choice does not look
pretty upon a Muslim tombstone.
"Obviously, a man's judgement cannot be better than the information on
which he has based it. Give him the truth and he may still go wrong
when he has the chance to be right, but give him no news or present
him only with distorted and incomplete data, with ignorant, sloppy
or biased reporting, with propaganda and deliberate falsehoods, and you
destroy his whole reasoning process, and make him something less than
a man."
(Arthur Hays Sulzberger)
Sounds familiar 'asci baci?'
Anyhow, leading the first Armenian units who crossed the Ottoman border
in the company of the Russian invaders was the former Ottoman Parliamentary
representative for Erzurum, Karekin Pastirmaciyan, who now assumed the
revolutionary name Armen Garo. Another former Ottoman parliamentarian,
Hamparsum Boyaciyan, led the Armenian guerrilla forces who ravaged
Turkish villages behind the lines under the nickname "Murad", especially
ordering that
"Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the
Armenian nation."
Another former Member of Parliament, Papazyan, led the Armenian
guerrilla forces that ravaged the areas of Van, Bitlis and Mush.
In March 1915, the Russian forces began to move toward Van. Immediately,
in April 11, 1915 the Armenians of Van began a revolt, massacring all
the Turks in the vicinity so as to make possible its quick and easy
conquest by Russians. Little wonder that Czar Nicholas II sent a
telegram of thanks to the Armenian Revolutionary Committee of Van in
April 21, 1915, "thanking it for its services to Russia." The Armenian
newspaper Gochnak, published in the United States, also proudly
reported in May 24, 1915 that "only 1,500 Turks remain in Van" the rest
having been slaughtered.
Source: Bilal N. Simsir, "The Genesis of the Armenian Question," Ankara, 1984,
pp. 5-6.
"The Russo-Turkish War of 1877-1878 was the biggest disaster ever known
in the Ottoman-Turkish history. During that war nearly four hundred
thousands Rumelian Turks were massacred. About a million of them who
fled before the invading Russian armies took refugee in the Thrace,
Istanbul and Western Anatolia.[9] The Russian invasion of eastern provinces
of Anatolia too was a real calamity for the Turkish-Muslim people of the
region.
The War of 1877-78 affected also the Armenian minority in Turkey, but in a
different way. In some remote parts of Anatolia, Armenian armed bands took
advantage of the absence of all able-bodied Turkish men and troops, and,
attacked unprotected peaceful Muslim villages. Such was the case, for instance,
in the Zeitoun region where some 200 armed Armenians, under the brigand Chief
Babek, attacked and looted the settlements of the neighbouring Yuruk tribes
and the Turkish villages of Lisne, Kenbul, etc. and killed several unoffensive
people.[10]
[9] For details see: Bilal N. Simsir, "Turkish Emigrations from the Balkans.
Documents. Vol. I: A Turkish Exodus (1877-1878): Vol. II: A Year of
Transition (1879)," Ankara: 1968-1970.
[10] Turkey No. I (1880): "Correspondence Respecting the Commission sent by
the Porte to Inquire into the Condition of the Vilayet of Aleppo,"
London: 1880, No. 831.
p. 6.
"While Armenian merchants and shop-keepers were doing good business during the
Russian occupation, several other Armenians in the Eastern regions of
Anatolia collaborated with the invading Russian armies. The Russian
officers of Armenian origin, such as Lieutenant-General Lazareff at Kars
and Major Kamsaragan at Erzurum, encouraged the local Armenians to enter
Russian service and played a certain role in obtaining their collaboration.
Major Kamsaragan, former Russian acting Consul of Erzurum, became the
Chief of the Police of the town during the Russian occupation...The presence
of the Russians in the region encouraged those Armenian collaborators to
maltreat their Turkish neighbors. Captain Trotter, the British Military
Consul at Erzurum, reported: 'There is no doubt that during the Russian
occupation several of the Armenians, who had been enrolled in the local
police, took advantage of the opportunity to abuse and maltreat the
Mussulmans. This has been admitted to me by the Russian acting Vice
Consul...'[12]"
[12] F.O. 424/77, No. 114; Turkey No. 54 (1878), No. 355; Turkey No. 10
(1879), No. I.
p. 19.
"...these Armenian mountaineers revolted again under the brigand Chief
Babek, by attacking neighbouring Turkish villages and tribes...Then they
looted several Mussulman villages....to find the mosque and government
buildings in flame..."
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan10....@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: Esat Uras, "The Armenians in History and The Armenian Question,"
Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988.
p. 728.
According to Varandian:[1]
"The Hunchak organization was in a weak position. They were anxious to
do something as quickly as possible and to produce a stir.
...In August 1894 the Armenians annihilated the Kurds after a successful
onslaught..."
p. 694.
"A band bringing a dozen weapons is more important than a dozen programmes."[2]
p. 695.
"Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them and in whatever circumstances
you find them...Take revenge!"[3]
pp. 695-696.
According to Varandian:[4]
"The foundation of the new Dashnaktsutiun coincided with the birth of the
Armenian national ideal...Wealthy Armenians always distanced themselves
from the Dashnaktsutiun. It appealed solely to the intelligentsia and the
common people...Although it attracted one or two members of the upper
bourgeoisie, it drew its membership mainly from among the poor and the
destitute.
The new organization gave political orientation to the Armenian people.
The committee also founded a newspaper, but under the Tsarist government
they had to be content for the time being with manifestos."
[1] M. Varandian, "History of the Dashnaktsution," Paris, 1932, p. 146.
[2] ibid., p. 85.
[3] ibid., p. 85.
[4] ibid., pp. 78-80.
(to be continued...)
hasan.b.mutlu
In article <1991Jan10....@cbnewsd.att.com>, I wrote:
> (to be continued...)
Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages).
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who observed the Armenian genocide of the
Muslims)
p. 22.
"Many of our men had served in the Russian Army, and were trained soldiers.
We Armenians were rich and possessed arms. Tartars had never received
military training. They were poor, and possessed few arms beyond knives.
...Shortly after the killing of the Tartars in our village, the revolution
in Russia was suppressed."