Turkish Boy Names
Matt Kasapbasioglu
Hi,
We are planning to name our son who is going to be born in August with a
Turkish middle name. We are especially interested in names without the
special characters from Turkish alphabet so that it would write and
sound more or less the same in English.
Any ideas?
Thanks in Advance
M.H. Kasapbasioglu
Can Subaykan
May I suggest the name "Can" it is pronounced "John"
It's a real good name :)
The pronunciations of the Turkish name CAN and English JOHN are virtually
the same., but the way it's spelled, people will pronounce it like the
English word 'can'. Believe me, I know !
Judging from your own last name, I would assume you could think of some
other names.
But if you want to give him a name that is distinctly Turkish (some names
come from Arabic or Persian) not to be confused with an English/American
name, but not very hard to pronounce, here are a few suggestions:
Hakan, Ozan, Murat, Ali, Selim, Yavuz, Bora, Tufan, Tayfun,
Osman, Orhan, Timur, Erdem, Serkan, Serdar, Erhan, Ayhan,
Erkan, Alper, Adnan, Fikret, Yusuf, Altan, Hasan, Mert,
Emre, Sinan, Erbil, Semih, Tolga, Alparslan, Okan, Fatih,
Deniz, Kaya, Onur, Eray, Berkay, Kemal, Turgut, Mustafa,
Mehmet, Mahmut, Aykut, Evren, Enver, Engin, Kenan, Burak...
if I had time I would give more, let us know what you decide.
And tell us what his first name will be too.
Good luck.
Can (john) Subaykan
Yusuf Kevik
G11...@email.mot.com (Matt Kasapbasioglu) schrieb in
<358AD29B...@email.mot.com> zu Turkish Boy Names:
> Hi,
> We are planning to name our son who is going to be born in August
> with a
> Turkish middle name. We are especially interested in names without
> the
> special characters from Turkish alphabet so that it would write and
> sound more or less the same in English.
> Any ideas?
Tekin
Deniz
Bilge
Chengiz
Ali
Orhan
Ayhan
> Thanks in Advance
Not at all
Kevik
> M.H. Kasapbasioglu
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On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Can Subaykan wrote:
Although my friend Can is correct in many of these names, not all of them
are originally Turkish. I will underline the pure Turk names and add some
more.
>
> Hakan, Ozan, Murat, Ali, Selim, Yavuz, Bora, Tufan, Tayfun,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
> Osman, Orhan, Timur, Erdem, Serkan, Serdar, Erhan, Ayhan,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Erkan, Alper, Adnan, Fikret, Yusuf, Altan, Hasan, Mert,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^
> Emre, Sinan, Erbil, Semih, Tolga, Alparslan, Okan, Fatih,
^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Deniz, Kaya, Onur, Eray, Berkay, Kemal, Turgut, Mustafa,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Mehmet, Mahmut, Aykut, Evren, Enver, Engin, Kenan, Burak...
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
Mehmet is used in place of Mohammed out of respect for the prophet.
Arabs do not use this name "Mehmet" so I consider it Turkish, therefore
i underlined it. As well, Osman is a "Turkicization" if i can say that ;)
of the Arabic name "uthman"...
Some more pure Turk names are below:
Atilla (one with horse)
Teoman
Mete
Oguz (we are arrows)
Ertugrul(warrior falcon)
Burhan
Arslan (lion)
Kaplan (tiger)
Pars (panther)
Orhan
Cengiz (oceanic)
Gurhan (strong 'han'=ruler)
Koray
Gokhan (han of heavens)
Onder (leader)
Baybars (great panther)
Timur (metal)
Selcuk
Balkan (moutainous)
Balaban (young warrior)
Kubat (strong)
Boga (bull)
Kurt (wolf)
Bozkurt (greywolf)
Karakurt(blackwolf)
Ozan (bard)
Bora (seastorm)
Kartal (eagle)
Tarkan (another ruling title, i believe, correct me if i'm wrong)
Batukhan(khan of west)
Dogukhan(khan of east)
That's just a few, if you need more let me know
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On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:32:49 -0500, OGUZ <so...@iupui.edu> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Can Subaykan wrote:
>
>
>Although my friend Can is correct in many of these names, not all of them
>are originally Turkish. I will underline the pure Turk names and add some
>more.
the strict etymological principle has its pitfalls! dig deep
enough, those will end up coming from sopehwere or the other.
when you find yourself running out of "pure turk names", the
"sun language theory" comes to the rescue: after all, all
langauges are supposed to be derived from turkish (!!), and
thi shad government sanction, so any name from any langauge
will do!
>
>
>>
>> Hakan, Ozan, Murat, Ali, Selim, Yavuz, Bora, Tufan, Tayfun,
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
hakan is an arabic (spelled xa:qa:n) rendering (not usual form,
probably representing the form xa:ga:n (rather than g~) of
qag~an, (of obscure origin) etc. yavuz is turkic.
see below for bora.
>
>> Osman, Orhan, Timur, Erdem, Serkan, Serdar, Erhan, Ayhan,
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>> Erkan, Alper, Adnan, Fikret, Yusuf, Altan, Hasan, Mert,
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^
altan is a mongol form, mert is persian.
>
>
>> Emre, Sinan, Erbil, Semih, Tolga, Alparslan, Okan, Fatih,
> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
emre seems to be turkic (arabic connection seems
to be false), erbil is *false* etymology!
it's a town in mesopotamia (iraq)
>
>> Deniz, Kaya, Onur, Eray, Berkay, Kemal, Turgut, Mustafa,
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
turgut is a mongolic tribe, but the name is traditional.
onur is from french honnuer, given a false etymology.
>
>
>> Mehmet, Mahmut, Aykut, Evren, Enver, Engin, Kenan, Burak...
>^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
burak is false etymology (I'd like to know what!).
ar. bura:q, a mythical animal.
>
>Mehmet is used in place of Mohammed out of respect for the prophet.
used in colloquial persian as well (probably from
turkic influence).
>Arabs do not use this name "Mehmet" so I consider it Turkish, therefore
>i underlined it. As well, Osman is a "Turkicization" if i can say that ;)
>of the Arabic name "uthman"...
>
>Some more pure Turk names are below:
>
>Atilla (one with horse)
of obscure origin. ceratinly not turkic in this
rendering.
>Teoman
>Mete
both are chinese or chinese
transcriptions.
>Oguz (we are arrows)
! wrong interpretation in either
old turkic or modern turkish!
-z is a collective suffix. it is traditonally
connected with oq, arrow. however, boodberg
(next to his article pertaining to the flatiron)
gives an iteresting interpretaion, connecting it
with various words meaning "cattle".
>Ertugrul(warrior falcon)
>Burhan
false etymology. confusion of the name
burha:n (proof, from arabic and used
as a name) with old uyghur burxa:n
(buddha, prophet, god...). ultimately
sanskrit boddha through a medieval
chinese dialect (bur) and xa:n (of
obscure origin)
>Arslan (lion)
>Kaplan (tiger)
>Pars (panther)
likely an archaic loanword from iranian,
and the present turkish form may be
a much more recent loan from persian.
(clauson)
>Orhan
>Cengiz (oceanic)
a reloan from mongol (in this form in turkish only as
a name).
>Gurhan (strong 'han'=ruler)
of course han (xa:n) is of obscure origin.
>Koray
>Gokhan (han of heavens)
>Onder (leader)
a neologism.
>Baybars (great panther)
see pars.
>Timur (metal)
iron, a misreading or persified reading for temu"r
(current ozbek, temur). e closed.
>Selcuk
probably a misreading, should be vowel
harmonic.
>Balkan (moutainous)
I suspect the suffix to be iranian.
>Balaban (young warrior)
>Kubat (strong)
>Boga (bull)
>Kurt (wolf)
also means maggot, worm.
>Bozkurt (greywolf)
>Karakurt(blackwolf)
>Ozan (bard)
>Bora (seastorm)
see Sinor, Studia Orientalia 47, 1977
in this meaning it would be a loan from
italian (venetian, ultimately greek),
although it might be of uralic origin
from prehistoric times. a similar word
is found in turkic for snowstorm.
>Kartal (eagle)
>Tarkan (another ruling title, i believe, correct me if i'm wrong)
yes.
>Batukhan(khan of west)
>Dogukhan(khan of east)
xa:n being of obscure origin.
Can Subaykan
I wrote in my original message that some names come from
Arabic and Persian. But they are commonly used Turkish
names.
The guy just wanted some possible names for his baby boy.
Can Subaykan
Forgot to add... The original poster wanted names that were easy to spell
and pronounce.
Also; what's the etymology on your name, Kilastir Yuzir? ;)
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Cluster User wrote:
> ...
OGUZ
On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Cluster User wrote:
> enough, those will end up coming from sopehwere or the other.
[OGUZ]
Yes my "obsecure friend" all is derived from your "Arabic"
people or should we just call them all "Semitic" for the culture
of the Arabic folks is not all Arabic, right?
I'm just going to ignore your reference to the sun language theory
and your hate toward Turks and get into the incredible, unfounded b.s.
that you wrote about every other Turk name that I listed
I said "correct me if I'm wrong" not "lie about the name origins"
> >> Hakan, Ozan, Murat, Ali, Selim, Yavuz, Bora, Tufan, Tayfun,
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
>
> hakan is an arabic (spelled xa:qa:n) rendering (not usual form,
> probably representing the form xa:ga:n (rather than g~) of
> qag~an, (of obscure origin) etc. yavuz is turkic.
> see below for bora.
Missed 'yavuz'
but 'hakan' is certainly Turkish
However you spell title of "khan"/"han"/"Kaan"/"Qan"/"Qagan"/"Kagan"/
it is a TURK title for emperor/ruler and there is noway that you can
change that fact.
> altan is a mongol form
It's origin is TURK
> >> Emre, Sinan, Erbil, Semih, Tolga, Alparslan, Okan, Fatih,
>
> emre seems to be turkic (arabic connection seems
> to be false), erbil is *false* etymology!
> it's a town in mesopotamia (iraq)
depends on what you take 'erbil' to mean.
> >> Deniz, Kaya, Onur, Eray, Berkay, Kemal, Turgut, Mustafa,
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> turgut is a mongolic tribe, but the name is traditional.
> onur is from french honnuer, given a false etymology.
true 'onur' is not Turkish (over hit the ^^^^ key)
> >> Mehmet, Mahmut, Aykut, Evren, Enver, Engin, Kenan, Burak...
> >^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>
> burak is false etymology (I'd like to know what!).
> ar. bura:q, a mythical animal.
'burak'=windy, land storm
> >Mehmet is used in place of Mohammed out of respect for the prophet.
>
> used in colloquial persian as well (probably from
> turkic influence).
you mean to say used by the 18 million TURKS of IRAN!
> >Arabs do not use this name "Mehmet" so I consider it Turkish, therefore
> >i underlined it. As well, Osman is a "Turkicization" if i can say that ;)
> >of the Arabic name "uthman"...
> >
> >Some more pure Turk names are below:
> >
> >Atilla (one with horse)
>
> of obscure origin. ceratinly not turkic in this
> rendering.
"cluster user" hatred toward Turks.
ATILLA is a Turk name
> >Teoman
> >Mete
>
> both are chinese or chinese
> transcriptions.
>
> >Oguz (we are arrows)
>
> ! wrong interpretation in either
> old turkic or modern turkish!
Why are you sooo angry?!
some have said that the "og" refers to little bulls
but it is more realistic to see that archery being
an integral part of Turk history that the Oghuz Turks
considered themselves "as strong as and as unified as a quiver of arrows"
therefore the "OGUZ" = "WE are ARROWS"
Just as the "Kirgiz" literally means "WE are FORTY" tribes
What makes you sooo antagonistic and hateful toward Turks, "cluster user"?
I may never know, i suppose...
> -z is a collective suffix. it is traditonally
> connected with oq, arrow. however, boodberg
> (next to his article pertaining to the flatiron)
> gives an iteresting interpretaion, connecting it
> with various words meaning "cattle".
check above
>
> >Ertugrul(warrior falcon)
> >Burhan
>
> false etymology. confusion of the name
> burha:n (proof, from arabic and used
> as a name) with old uyghur burxa:n
> (buddha, prophet, god...). ultimately
> sanskrit boddha through a medieval
> chinese dialect (bur) and xa:n (of
> obscure origin)
What?! Burhan is the old god-spirit of the lake baikal!!!
pre-buddhist times for the Turks!!! are you out of your
mind with anti-Turk feelings? i can not believe the manuere
I'm seeing from you.
>
> >Arslan (lion)
> >Kaplan (tiger)
> >Pars (panther)
>
> likely an archaic loanword from iranian,
> and the present turkish form may be
> a much more recent loan from persian.
> (clauson)
hehehe I can not contain my laugh towards you
anymore... go ask an Iranian what a pars is :)
> >Orhan
> >Cengiz (oceanic)
>
> a reloan from mongol (in this form in turkish only as
> a name).
A realoan?!!! "cluster user" my boy you have stooped to new lows...
Cengiz is the modern Anatolian Turk writing of the name.
the Cengiz Khan of history was a Mongolian whose original name was
Timuchin. He needed to take a TURK name to be considered a KHAN of the
steppe people for as you know the KHAN was a god-like image only after the
Sky-god/"Gok Tanri", then the Gok Tanri's "angelic/spirit" figures...
Cengiz derives from Dtengiz old Turk for a large body of water (ocean)
we know have the modern name "deniz" and "cengiz" from this same origin.
So where please tell, is Cengiz a reloan?!
> >Gurhan (strong 'han'=ruler)
>
> of course han (xa:n) is of obscure origin.
"khan" or "han"
is a Turk title for emperor/ruler
> >Timur (metal)
>
> iron, a misreading or persified reading for temu"r
> (current ozbek, temur). e closed.
wrong, Timur/Temur is Turkish as well.
as you know craft of metal working in Turk history
is what made them quite superior in many respects of
warfare... show me how this is taken from Persian and when.
>
> >Selcuk
>
> probably a misreading, should be vowel
> harmonic.
Still TURK in origin
>
> >Balkan (moutainous)
>
> I suspect the suffix to be iranian.
I "suspect" you to be seriously nuts.
> >Balaban (young warrior)
> >Kubat (strong)
> >Boga (bull)
> >Kurt (wolf)
>
> also means maggot, worm.
So?
The ancient Turk word for wolf is "bori"
Anatolian Turks changed it to kurt for superstitious beliefs
But again, "cluster user's" racist remarks can be seen when he
demeans the most symbolic animal of the Turks...
> >Bozkurt (greywolf)
> >Karakurt(blackwolf)
> >Ozan (bard)
> >Bora (seastorm)
> >Kartal (eagle)
> >Tarkan (another ruling title, i believe, correct me if i'm wrong)
>
> yes.
>
> >Batukhan(khan of west)
> >Dogukhan(khan of east)
>
> xa:n being of obscure origin.
as i said before "khan" or "han"
purely of Turk origins...
"cluster user" you need a new field of study,
i regret to tell you half your info is false (whether
on purpose or not i don't know) but if it is intentional
then you should not be in academia.
good day,
Can Subaykan
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Cluster User wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:21:12 -0700, Can Subaykan
> <guly...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> >Forgot to add... The original poster wanted names that were easy to spell
> >and pronounce.
>
> a reasonable request, and the answers should have been directed thus.
>
> >
> >Also; what's the etymology on your name, Kilastir Yuzir? ;)
>
> they are both accepted english words.
>
> Cluster is derived from old english, User from old french, ultimately
> latin.
Kilastir is Turkish; it means "It is a hair ace" {kIL, as}
Yuzir is a mispronunciation of Turkish for "he is swimming" {yuzuyor}
Cluster User
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:29:03 GMT, bga...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>In article <Pine.HPP.3.96.980620...@Nash.iupui.edu>,
> OGUZ <so...@iupui.edu> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Can Subaykan wrote:
>>
>> Although my friend Can is correct in many of these names, not all of them
>> are originally Turkish. I will underline the pure Turk names and add some
>> more.
>Some of the names you underlined as "pure Turk" are common for both Turkic and
>Mongolian languages
>
many of these are taken from central asian history, and mongol
and turkic do have many words in common. the two languages are
distantly relatyed, but in addition to the original common
vocabulary both languages have used forms peculiar to the other
(borrowing).
the original poster was making a polemic against the use of
perso-arabic names and so resorted to many non-traditional
names. also names were reinterpreted to make them have a
turkish meaning.
>>
>> >
>> > Hakan, Ozan, Murat, Ali, Selim, Yavuz, Bora, Tufan, Tayfun,
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
>Hakan is Mongolian khaan.
it's a central asian word whose origin is obscure.
>I don't know what Bora means, but in Mongolian Bor is a word for 'brown'
>>
>> > Osman, Orhan, Timur, Erdem, Serkan, Serdar, Erhan, Ayhan,
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>We have a river in Mongolia named Orkhon. Timur or To"mo"r in Mongolian is a
>common Turko-Mongol word for iron. Erdem means knowledge in Mongolian.
orhan (or*kh*an) is a traditional turkish name, various
interpretations
have been given, the last element seems to represent *kh*a:n. one
interpretation of "or" refers to a moat or a castle encircled by one
($. sami).
>>
>> > Erkan, Alper, Adnan, Fikret, Yusuf, Altan, Hasan, Mert,
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^
>Altan is Mongolian and means golden.
yes. the form is mongolian and not turkish, nor is it a traditional
name. turkish has a similar related word. I guess you could give it
a false turkish etymology by reinterpreting it as representing al
ta*ng*
(red dawn).
>>
>> > Emre, Sinan, Erbil, Semih, Tolga, Alparslan, Okan, Fatih,
>> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Tolga sounds like Mongolian name Tulga.
it means?
perhaps this is what is in mind. there is a turkish
word going back to a mongolian word of different form
(a colloquial pronounciation of togulga meaning helmet._
though this is in turn possibly related to turkish or
common altaic.
>>
>> > Deniz, Kaya, Onur, Eray, Berkay, Kemal, Turgut, Mustafa,
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Berkay is like Mongolian Berkh(difficult). Turgut is a name of Western mongol
>Torguud people
true, and the word is probably of mongol origin. this however is
a traditional turkish name.
>>
>> > Mehmet, Mahmut, Aykut, Evren, Enver, Engin, Kenan, Burak...
>> ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>
>Evren? In Mongolian this sounds like a name of someone with horns. I am sure
>it means something entirely different in Turkish. Engiin means simple in
>Mongolian.
>
used for a something that circles: in old turkic
the firmament (hence as a neologism "the universe")
or a snake, dragon (the first meaning might be related
to this through mythologyu) or a dome. not traditional.
a rare provincial meaning (redhouse, likely based on turkic)
might be relevant to the mongolian word. the other meaning is
vast and is the basis for the newly popular name. the two
words are clearly distinguished in older or provincial
pronounciations.
>>
>> Mehmet is used in place of Mohammed out of respect for the prophet.
>> Arabs do not use this name "Mehmet" so I consider it Turkish, therefore
>> i underlined it. As well, Osman is a "Turkicization" if i can say that ;)
>> of the Arabic name "uthman"...
>>
>> Some more pure Turk names are below:
>>
>> Atilla (one with horse)
>> Teoman
>> Mete
>> Oguz (we are arrows)
>> Ertugrul(warrior falcon)
>> Burhan
>Always thought Burhan is Mongolian.
as a traditional name in turkish it is arabic burha:n.
a false etymology is old uighur bur*kh*an, from which
the mongol word is based. apparently the word represents
buddha *kh*an through a medieval chinese dialect.
>
>> Arslan (lion)
>Same.
>
>> Kaplan (tiger)
>Bar in Mongolian
>
>> Pars (panther)
>Similar to bar.
>> Orhan
>> Cengiz (oceanic)
>That's a pure Mongolian name, I would assume.
yes, the form of the word is mongol and as a name it
is such. however, the mongol word is ultimately
a borrowing from turkic.
>> Gurhan (strong 'han'=ruler)
>> Koray
>> Gokhan (han of heavens)
>> Onder (leader)
>In Mongolian, o"ndo"r means high.
>> Baybars (great panther)
>> Timur (metal)
>In Mongolian, to"mo"r means iron
yes, the reading timur is based on a misreading
of the turkic word for iron temu"r (e closed)
in perso-arabic script. it is comon altaic.
in turkish (of turkey) it is demir, though
temu"r (closed e) appears in some ottoman
texts.
>> Selcuk
>> Balkan (moutainous)
>> Balaban (young warrior)
>> Kubat (strong)
>> Boga (bull)
>In Mongolian Bukh.
a common word but not a traditional name except
perhaps in earlier times. common vocabulary of
turkic and mongol.
>> Kurt (wolf)
>> Bozkurt (greywolf)
>> Karakurt(blackwolf)
>> Ozan (bard)
>> Bora (seastorm)
>Not sure about this one. Rain in Mongolian is boroo. Is it linguistically
>possible for these two words be related?
not a traditional name.
see Sinor, Studia Orientalia 47, 1977
apparently many languages have similar words
with similar meanings. this particular form
and meaning in turkish comes from italian
(dialect of venice), ultimately greek. however,
in greek it may not be an indo-european word
(according to the article). turkish also
has a similar native word which is related
to the mongol word.
>> Kartal (eagle)
>> Tarkan (another ruling title, i believe, correct me if i'm wrong)
>Darkhan in Mongolian means smith. Also sometimes used as title.
>> Batukhan(khan of west)
>Batkhaan in Mongolian would mean Tough ruler. West is Baruun in Mongolian.
the mongol meaning you give is probably that of the
name of the mongol ruler in history, batu, son of
chinggis. the meaning attributed to it by the
previous poster is a false etymology (he also
happened to rule the western portion of the
empire!)
> Dogukhan(khan of east)
>Interesting, because East is Dornod in Mongolian.
>>
>> That's just a few, if you need more let me know
>>
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