TURKICS = MONGOLOIDS
Alistair_Sim
Anatolian 'Turks' or Turkemanzed Anatolians to be acurate) that their Turkic
ancestors were more caucasian that oriental (mongoliod) looking and the
reason why majority of Turkics today who are more Turkic (example being
Uigurs, Uzbeks) look primarily Mongoliod is because they were mixed with
Mongols. I can understand
why Anatolian Turks choose to believe this since it is clear even to them
that they dont look like a majority of other Turkics.
(Also note that just because some writers ,say chinese ones, noted that some
Turkic individuals were appearing caucasian by having some of the caucasian
traits such as light hair and eyes doesnt mean that the same individuals
didnt have slented eyes, high cheekbones, flattened face which is Mongoloid.
Also to Chinese, pure and unmixed orientals, even Mongols looked mixed while
to Europeans Turkics and Mongols were mainly Oriental).
Russians did not mix (perhaps only to a minor extent) with central-Asian
Turkics (they didn't even have enough time to do so and if that was the case
ethic Russian enclaves within some of the central Asiatic Turcic republics
would not exist today) and are not the reason why some appear Caucasian
(such as some Turkomens for example). The reason why (some Turkomens lets
say) appear Caucasian (or precisely primarily of Iranian/Dinaric race which
is almost nonexistent in Russia which is a mixture of mainly Nordic Baltic
race and mainly Mongoloid looking Lagodan racial type which can be
associated with Lapps and original Finns) is because they are mixed with
Iranian race and central Asia was an Iranian territory (mainly iranian
remnants of that would be Tajiks) until the coming of Turkics who were
mainly Mongoloid looking people.
Lets analyze who were the original Turkics trough the impartial eyes of
racial anthropology by analyzing the Coon's book'Races of Europe' (bible on
racial anthopology in a way) or rather its section regarding Turkics and
Mongols!
http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/chapter-VII2.htm
" From the time that the Irano-Aryan ancestors had arrived in Russian
Turkestan in anticipation of their descent into the hills of northwestern
India, much of this grassy plain had been the home of those Iranians who
remained behind while their kinsmen climbed the mountains which would take
them into India and the Irano-Afghan plateau."
Telling us that Iranians inhabited central Asia! This would also explain why
some Turkics appear light haired and light eyed since in the proximity in
central Asia lived Iranians among whom northern Iranian branch Scythians and
Sarmatians were known as light haired and light eyed and inhabited region
from northern Balkans, Ukraine (known then as Scythia), most of Caucussus
(especially ist nortehn reaches) and also central asia (where branch of
Scythians were known to have settled). Fact that some Turkic individuals had
light eyes and light hair just means that they were partly mixed with those
Iranians not that Turkics were not mongoloid.
" To the northwest of the vast Iranian domain, in Mongolia, a number of
semi-agricultural, semi-pastoral tribes, possessing the sheep, probably also
cattle, and perhaps wagons, but apparently not the horse, came in early
times to the attention of the Chinese historians. "
To we have some tribes originating IN MONGOLIA. (wonder which ones are
those )
" By 800 B.C. we hear of a people called the Hiung-Nu, who gradually grew in
importance until they came to dominate all of Mongolia.8 At a fairly late
date, set by McGovern between 541 and 300 B.C., the Hiung-Nu presumably
obtained horses, and learned to ride them. "
Still wondering who are those people.
" They seem to have acquired these animals from the Iranians or from
Turkish-speaking peoples, along with the whole complex of horse nomadism.
Chinese accounts of the Hiung-Nu later than the third century B.C. refer to
them as typical plainsmen, strikingly similar in many cultural respects to
the Scythians. "
Here we have first mention of "Turkish-speaking peoples" and that so far the
unknown people are culturally similar to Iranian Schytians. I guess that
would explain why some appear mixed with Schytians.
" The six centuries, more or less, from 400 B.C. to 200 A.D., formed the
period of greatness of the Hiung-Nu in Mongolia, during which they
constantly harried China, and took possession of Chinese Turkestan. Despite
their conquest, however, Iranian languages, and the mysterious Tokharian B,
persisted in the towns until 800 A.D. or later. At length the Chinese took
measures to rid themselves of this nuisance, and succeeded in defeating the
Hiung-Nu so completely that they abandoned their territory and disappeared
to the westward. "
Tokharians (indo-europeans who appear racially and linquistically most
similar to ancient Celtics) were another light haired and light eyed nation
that enhibited todays eastern Turkestan (Todays chinese province of
Singkiang ). These people could be another (and only other) possible source
why some of the Turkic individuals had light hair and light eyes.
" The last mention of the Hiung-Nu in Chinese sources is about 170 AL. and,
exactly two hundred years later, the Huns appeared on the banks of the Don
in Russia. McGovern has presented a convincing argument to prove that the
two were the same people; that their passage across Asia took them across a
space sterile of historians, between the spheres of Chinese and of Byzantine
chroniclers. Only one glow of light appears in this interim; in 290 A.D.
Tigranes the Great of Armenia hired some such people as mercenaries. "
Here we see shifting of interest of the Turkics from regions east and south
of Mongolia (China) to the regions west of Mongolia (Turkic Huns in Russia).
" The history of the Huns in Europe does not require elaborate treatment.
Having defeated the Ostrogoths and sent them and their kinsmen scurrying
westward, the Huns moved to the present Hungary, which they made their
headquarters. From here they sent expeditions to Rome, to Germany, and to
France, where Attila was defeated in the battle of the Catalonian fields in
451 A.D. After his death two years later, the Runs retired to eastern
Europe, and many of them united with their relatives the Bolgars, who had
settled between the Ugrian and Finnic tribes of the middle Volga and Kama
rivers, where, under Bolgar leadership, a great state arose, which flowered
between the eighth and fourteenth centuries. "
Original Bulgars were also (mainly mongoloid) Turkics( or rather turkiczed
Finns)!
" In the meantime, the Huns in central Asia raided Mesopotamia, Persia,
Afghanistan, and India; presumably the Turkish penetration of central
Siberia dates likewise from the period between 200 and 400 A.D. This span of
two centuries marks the beginning of the great expansion of Turkish-speaking
peoples, for the Huns, and their allies and relatives, must have spoken
various forms of speech related to Turkish, many of which are now extinct. "
Thus we have Turkics in central Siberia by 200-400 AD.
Now lets shift to the racial acpect of Turkics!
" That the Huns came in great numbers cannot be questioned, and that they
introduced a completely alien racial type onto European soil is vividly
attested by the accounts of numerous contemporary historians, among whom may
be mentioned Jordanes, Sidonus, Appolinaris, and Priscus. These authors
unanimously describe the Huns as being short, broad shouldered, thick-set,
swarthy, flat-nosed, slit-eyed, nearly beardless, and bandy-legged. The
Avars are described by some authors as being identical with the Huns, but by
others as being less horrible of aspect. According to that Byzantine wit,
Jordanes, the Avars defeated the Iranian-speaking Alans, who were the
descendants of the Sarmatians, by frightening them with their faces and not
by valor. "
Thus Turkics were ORIENTAL!
" The careful studies of Bartucz, on whose work this following part is
almost entirely based, has disclosed, in unquestioned manner, the exact
racial composition of these invaders.9 (See Appendix I, col. 51.) Many of
the Hunnish and Avar cemeteries are very extensive, containing, in all,
thousands of skulls. In many of these cemeteries, particularly in that of
Mosonszentjános, purely mongoloid skeletons have been found, unaccom-panied
by European followers or European mixture. "
The european mixture are more likely to have been Goths or Sarmatian Alans
that were accomponying Huns while the oriental ones are Turkic!
" Bartucz finds two clearly differentiated mongoloid types in these
cemeteries. "
" Thanks to the industrious researches of the modern Russian school of
physical anthropology, it is not difficult to discover the Asiatic
relationships of these two types. Type A is found today among the living
Tungus,10 and it has likewise a long history in Siberia, for it is found
among many Siberian peoples, including Palaeasiatics, and it is
characteristic of many of the Neolithic skulls excavated in the neighborhood
of Lake Baikal.11 Type B belongs to the Mongol-speaking peoples, and is
found in especial purity among the Buryats, who represent, culturally and
probably racially, the Mongols before the time of their expansion. Modern
Buryat skulls are among the largest in capacity known. "
TURKICS = MONGOLOIDS
" A further light upon the physical characteristics of the Huns is shown by
a study of Hunnish head hair, from graves of this period. A sample of it is
very fine, straight, and jet black.13 In color and in form, this hair was
classically mongoloid, but this fineness casts some doubt upon the
generalization that all mongoloid hair must be coarse, especially since it
has been shown that American Indian hair is very variable in this respect. "
TURKICS = MONGOLOIDS
" The incontrovertible evidence of the Hungarian graves completely dispels
the theory that the Huns may have been largely European in racial type. If
the Hiung-Nu were ancestors of the Nuns, then the early inhabitants of
Mongolia were definitely mongoloid, and belonged to the two important racial
elements present there today, the Tungus and the Mongol proper. This throws
the prehistory of central Asia into a clear and logical light. It is exactly
what one would expect. "
TURKICS = MONGOLOIDS
" McGovern has discovered a number of Chinese references to the Hiung-Nu and
other Turkish-speaking "barbarians" which describe them as hairy, big-nosed,
and partially blond. In later times, Genghis Khan was supposed to be
red-haired and green-eyed. It is therefore likely that some of the Asiatic
Nordic element found in the Jutas and Tiszadersz cemeteries was incorporated
by the Avars before they left Mongolia, but, on the basis of the evidence
from purely mongoloid cemeteries like Mosonszentjános, it is unlikely that
this influence could have penetrated the entire Hunnish and Avar nations. "
To Chinese anybody even remotely mixed with Caucasians as Turkics were to
some extent will appear light haired and light eyed just like to Bantu
tribes of Africa in Kenya Ethiopians appear lightskinned since they are
LIGHTER than THEM.
TURKICS = MONGOLOIDS
" The Magyars were Ugrians from the region between the Volga and the Urals,
who had been partially Turkicized by the Petchenegs and others, but had
retained their Finno-Ugrian language, albeit strongly shot with Turkish. In
this respect, they resembled the ancestral Bulgarians, semi-Turkicized
Finns, who had, a few decades earlier, crossed the lower Danube and settled
Bulgaria, implanting themselves on a population of Slavs who had themselves
been but a short while in occupancy. In Bulgaria, the Slavic language seeped
through and replaced the Finnish; in Hungary, the Ugrian became dominant and
the Slavic speech to a large extent disappeared. Nevertheless, Slavic
culture blended with the Ugrian and Turkish, to produce modern Hungarian
forms. "
I figure it would be interesting although unrelated to original Turkics!
One more time!
TURKICS = MONGOLOIDS
vjp...@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com
includes Japanese, Korean, Hungarian, Finn, Mongolian, Uyghur, but NOT
Chinese.. They caused just as much damage in China and India as the
west.. it is only because they occupy so much of China today that
China coddles them.. Iranian art of the initial Islamic period shows
the Turks as having eyes resembling east Asians.. It is perhaps worth
examining if Turkic-speaking people formed no single ethnic or genetic
stock but were instead a nomadic admixture of the border peoples at
the edge of civilisation.. In many places they raided they brought no
women with them, so they are now too faintly related to their
origins.. the only thing that links them is language.. in fact, take
them away from Islam (I don't care if they become Protestant or
Buddhist) and you may make them into allies..
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Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bio$trategist
BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian
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Greek/Armenian/PKK Anti-Turkish Hatred Inc., is gazing into a baboon's
ass again as usual for ideas to bitch about Turkey and its citizens.
Baboons look into either their own fucken, bloody asses, or into the
fucken, bloody asses of other felow baboons to bitch about Turkey and
its citizens.
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Komin
Turks ,
who were more like the Mongols than the Euro-Turks .
and the Turks , [ who are having lots of different colours] , are
actually the descendants of mixings with the Iranians.
The Huns were ths early Turks ,
but the Toba Dynasty of the North Wei in north China , was a descendant
of the Huns and the Turks who formed the Xianbee tribe , who gave rise
to the Toba tribe .
Xianbee also gave rise to some Koreans groups , during the Koguryo
Dynasty .