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Hanife

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29 Ekim 1993, Jandarma Istihbarat Grup Komutani emekli
Binbasi Ahmet Cem Ersever’in olduruldugu henuz bilinmiyor.
Aydinlik’in telefonla arayan sahis, “Ersever’I infaz ettik,
sira Soner’de” deyip telefonu kapatiyor.

3 Kasim 1993, Binbasi Ersever 10 gundur kayip. Soner Yalcin
adina postalanmis bir zarf icinden Ersever’in nufus cuzdani
cikiyor.

4 Kasim 1993, Binbasi Ersver’in kafasina iki kursun
sikilmis, elleri arkadan bagli, agzi bantli cesedi
bulunuyor. Ardindan yakin arkadasi itirafci Mustafa Deniz
ile sevgilisi Mahsune Dguebe’nin cesetleri.

Bu yazi dizisi Binbasi Cem Ersever’in itiraflarini iceriyor.
Faili mechul cinayetleri kim isliyor. Isim..isim.. Avukat
metin Can ile Doktor Hasan Kaya’yi kim kacirdi? Milletvekili
Mehmet Sincar’I olduren tetikci… Kontagerilla guneydoguyu
kac infaz bolgesine ayirdi? Itirafcilarin para
kaynaklari…Vali-jandarma lojmanlarinda kalan tetikciler…
Binbasi Ersever’i kim oldurdu? Bu yazi dizisinde Turkiye
Cumhuriyetinin bogazina kadar battigi pisligi
okuyacaksiniz. Hosca vakitler…

O donemlerde calismakta oldugum 2000’e Dogru dergisi icin 8
Aralik 1991 traihinde “kimlikleri ve Eylemleriyle Iste
Mardin Kontragerillasi” baslikli bir haber yayimlandi: “Son
bes ayda Mardin, Omerli, Savur, Nusaybin, Midyat, Batman ve
Idil’e bagli koylerde kontragerillanin eylemelri sonucu 22
kisi oldu, 5 kisi yaralandi. Bu cinayetleri isleyenlerin
esgalleri ve yontemleri ayni. Beyaz Renault’a biniliyor.
Kars lehcesiyle Kurtce konusuyorlar. Gerilla kiliginda
dolasiyorlar. Bu kontragerilla ekibinin basinda Jandarma
Subaylari A.O ile H.K var.”

“Mardin Kontragerillasi” haberinde bas hafleriyle verilen
kisilerin acik adlarinin verildigi bir yazi ile Basbakanliga
ve Icisleri Bakanligina verildi. Turk Silahli mensubu iki
subay hakkindaki bilgileri ise gene isimleri acikca
yazilarak Genel Kurmay Baskanligina iletildi. Ancak bu
kurumlardan hic bir yanit alinamadi. “Haberiniz odgru
degildir” diye bir aciklama bile yapilmadi.

Subay A.O Mayis 1992 tarihinden beri Jandarma genel
Komutanligi Istihbarat Baskanligi’nda gorev yepiyordu. A.O
uzun yillar Guneydogu’da gorev yapmisti. Kontragerilla
faaliyetlerinde yaninda hep “Cem Yuzbasi” diye biri vardi.
A.O . “Cem Yuzbasi”nin yardimcisiydi.

“mardin Kontragerillasi” icinde adi gecen diger bir subay
ise H.K idi. H.K’nin kontragerilla olma seruveni oldukca
ilginc. 12 Eylul darbesine birkac ay kala Istanbul Bakirkoy
Ilce Jandarma Boluk Komutanligina ataniyor. Darbeden hemen
sonra 12 Eylul sorgulamalarinda bizzat yer aliyor. 18 Eylul
1980 gunu olay kesfi icin Avcilar’a tatbikata goturdukleri
devrimci Zeki Yumurtaci’yi olduruyor.

Olay basina, “polis ekibine ates acan teroristler tatbikata
goturulen arkadaslarini vurdular” diye yansitiliyor. Zeki
Yumurtaci’nin basina silahi dayayip olduren kisi ise subay
H.K.

Bu olayalri anlatan Albay sunlari soyluyor : “O gunlerde
Istanbul’da bir cok solcu olduruldu. Istanbul Emniyet Muduru
Sukru Balci’nin degisik bir taktigi vardir. Bir polisi veya
subayi pislige bulastirmak icin tetik cektirir. Tetigi ceken
kisi ise bu islerden artik kurtulamaz. H.K. iste boyle bir
numara ile pislige bulastirildi. Saniyorum hala da bu rezil
islri yapamaya devam ediyordur. Cunku bu islere giren
subayin, polisin kurtulmasi zordur. H.K’yi diledikleri gibi
kullanirlar”.

Nitekim Istanbul Avcilar’da baslayan faaliyet Mardin’de
suruyordu.

A.O ve H.K ile baslayan ‘Kontagerillaci subaylar’ listesinde
“Cem Yuzbasi”da vardi.

Bu listenin basinda ise; daha sonra bir suikasta kurban
giden Asayis Kolordu Komutani Korgeneral Hulusi Sayin’nin
kayinbiraderi Albay C.K bulunuyordu.

Jandarma Genel Komutanligi’nda 70’li yillarda iki grup
ortaya cikmisti. Sosyal Demokratlarin olusturdugu ve basinda
Korgeneral Ismail Selen’in bulundugu grup ile MHP’lilerin
bir araya gelip liderligini Korgeneral Hulusi Sayin’in
yaptigi ekip. Iki grup sureekli catisma halindeydi.
Kontargerillaci subaylar Hulusi Sayin’in ekibi icindeydi.
Ekipre “Yuzbasi Cem” ve A.O’den baska C.K, T.S, A.S, I.Y,
F.A gibi bir cok MHP’li subay daha vardi. Gruptaki MHP’li
subaylar acikca eylemlere de katiliyorlardi. Ornegin, Subay
F.A’nin silahi solcu bir doktor olan Mehmet Guclu’nun
oldurulmesinde kullanilmisti. Boyle oldugu kesinlesmesine
ragmen hic bir sey yapilmamisti. Tam tersine reutbesi hep
yukseldi. Halen albay olarak gorevinin basinda. “Yuzbasi
Cem” bu grubun aktif elemenlarindan biriydi. MHP’nin
toplantilarina cekinmeden uniformasi ile gidiyordu!

JITEM (Jandarma Istihbarat Terorle Mucadele)

Daha sonraki gunlerde JITEM’de gorev yaptigini soyleyen bir
astsubayla karsilastim.

“JITEM’in orgutlenmesi soyledir: Direkt Jandarma Genel
komutanligi ile irtibatlidir. JITEM Grup Komutanliginin
basinda bir binbasi bulunuyor. Once Cem Binbasi vardi, o
ayrildi. Yerinde simdi Murettin Binbasi var.”

Astsubay eline kagit kalem aldi. Jandarma’nin orgutlenmesini
cizdi:

Jandarma Genel Komutanligi Kurmay Baskanligi

1) Jandarma Personel Daire Baskanligi
2) Hareket Daire Baskanligi
3) Lojistik Daire Baskanligi
4) Istihbarat Daire Baskanligi

a) JITEM Istanbul
b) JITEM Ankara
c) JITEM Izmir
d) JITEM Adana
e) JITEM Samsun
f) JITEM Erzurum
g) JITEM Diyarbakir
1) IL
TIM, AJAN

2) IL
TIM, AJAN

3) IL
TIM, AJAN

Astsubay, Diyarbakir JITEM’e bagliydi. Ancak kendisi grubun
elemanin degilmis gibi anlatiyordu.

“Bunlar koy koy, mezra mazra dolasirlar. Her timin kendi
bolgesi vardir. Hepsi cok iyi Kurtce konusur. Zaten bunalri
bir cok koylu PKK’li sanir. Bu timleri gorseniz PKK’li mi,
asker mi oldugunu anlayamazsiniz. Hepsi biyikli ve
sakallidir. Timlerin basinda ustegmen veya yuzbasi bulunur.
Bir timde subaydan baska bir kac tane astsubay ile en fazla
iki er vardir. Erler yemek, temizlik gibi hizmaetlerde
kullanilir. Bu timlere son yillarda itirafcilar da aktilmaya
basladi. Her koyde, mezrada bir muhbir bulunsun istenir.
Ancak muhbir bulmak cok zordur. Genellikle korucular yapar
bu isi.”

Astsubay, guneydigida gorev yapan bazi subaylarin uyusturucu
ve silah kacakciligi yaptiklarini iddia ediyordu. “JITEM cok
iyi amaclarla kuruldu, sonra dejenere oldu. Cogu tim elemani
yapilan kanun disi hareketlere goz yumdu. Ust rutbeler de
ses cikarmadi. Sonucta ufak capta baslayan kanun disi
hareketler cok butudu. Binlerle ifade edilern paralar,
milyarlarla ifade edilmeye baslandi. Nihayet JITEM’de
calisanlarin hemen tumu bolgede uyusturuc ve silah
kacakciliginda etkin rol almaya basladilar.”

Merakla sordum, “nasil yapiyorlar?”
“JITEM timlerinin altinda sivil arabalar var. Bu otomobiller
degisik renktedir. Plakalari ise resmi degil sivildir.
Guneydigunun tum karayollarindaki arama noktalarindan
rahatca gecerler. Durdurulmazlar, aranmazlar. JITEM timi
kimligi gosterir, ceker, gider. Iste bu kolaylik nedeniyle,
Iran’dan, Irak’tan, Suriye’den gelen uyusturucular JITEM
arabalrina yukleniyor. Uyusturucuyu alan JITEM arabalari
duruma gore Van veya Diyarbakir’a gidip uyusturucuyu teslim
ediyor. Uyusturcular buradan Istanbul’a, Mersin’e gidiyor.
JITEM timleri, kacakciligi iliski icinde olduklari
korucubaslari ve itirafcilar raciligiyla yapiyorlar.
Bunlarin cikarlari ortak oldugu icin birbirlerini hep
korurlar. Sinirda bulunan Boluk Komutanlarinin, Alay
Komutanlarinin, Il Jandarma Alay Komutanlarinin % 80’I bu
isin icindedir. Bolgeye yeni gelen sinir komutanlari, ister
istemz bu islere bir sekilde bulastiriliyor. Yeni gelen
komutana kacakcilik yapan agalar, korucu baslari, belediye
baskanlari hemen ziyarete gelirler. Komutanin nabzini
yoklar, hediyeler verilir. Samimi olmaya calisirlar. “Al
gulum ver gulum” baslar.

JITEM timleri, muhbirler, PKK itirafcilari araciligiyla
tesbit ettikleri siginaklardan ele gecirdikleri silah ve
mermileri kacakcilar vasitasiyla PKK’ya, K.Irak’taki
pesmerhelere satiyorlar! Asli silah vurgunu Kurt
multecilerin Turkiye’ye gelmesi sirasinda yasandi. 500 bin
kisi Isikveren Altinyayla bolgesine yerlestirildi. Toplam
200 bin kusur silah teslim alindi. Gidin bakin, kayitlarda
gozuken silah sayisi 1600! Diger silahlar nereye gitti?”

Astsubay kacakcilik yapan subaylarin isimlerini de bir bir
vermisti. Subaylarin nasil kacakcilik yaptiklarini ornek
olaylarla anlatmisti. Her tasin altindan “Cem Binbasi”
cikiyordu. Kimdi bu Cem Binbasi?

Binbasi Ersever icin neler neler soylenmiyor ki…

“Mahalli ajanlari organize eden kisidir. Sirnak ve
Cizre’deki her faili mechul olayda onun parmagi vardir.
Sabit bir yeri yoktu. 1985 yilinda Besta bolgesinde bir
catisma oldugunu duyduk. PKK’li bir ust duzey komutanin
kafasinin kesilerek Sirnak’a getirildigi soylendi. Cesedin
Komutan Ismail Kiyas’a ait oldugu bildirildi. Teshis icin
esi ve kayipederi bulundu. Yakinlari cesedin Ismail Kiyas’a
ait olmadigini soylediler. Ceset Sirnak Tugayi’na Gecitboyu
muhtari Mehmet Zeyrek tarafindan getirilmisti. Bu adamlar
cesedi getirdikleri icin 2-3 milyon pirim almislardi.
Yetkililer halen cesedin PKK’li komutana ait oldugunu
soyluyorlardi. Guya, PKK’lilar taninmasin diye
komutanlarinin kafasini kesip goturmuslerdi! Aradan gunler
gecti. Bir kadin, “bundan 15 gun evvel evden kocami alip
goturduler. Bir daha da haber alamdim diye” diye Tugay’a
basvurdu. Kadinin anlattigina gore kocasini korucular
goturmustu. Daha sonra yapilan arastirmada kesik basli
cesedin kadinin kocasina ait oldugu anlasildi. Adam Balveren
koyunden Tolgi mezrasindanmis. Zavalli koylunun kellesini
kesenler Cem’in emrinde calisna korucular ve ajanlardi”.

Bu olayla ilgili olara Sirnak’daki avukatlar suc duyurusunda
bulunuyorlar ama sonuc alamiyorlar.

Avukatlarin suc duyurusunda bulunduklari baska bir olay ise
soyle meydana gelmisti.

“Bu olaydan kisa bir sure sonra Balveren karakolundan
koylulere, ‘bir cesediniz var gelin alin’ deniyor. Ceset 19
yasindaki Gurgun Savas’a ait. Ailesinin anlattigina gore,
Gurgun Savas’I Diyarbakir Cezaevin’den taniyan PKK’li Hasan
Irmaz daha sonra itirafci oluyor. Fakat Gurgun Savas;in
bundan haberi yok. Olaylardan bir kac gun once Hasan Irmaz
PKK’li gibi Gurgun Savas’a gidip ‘aksam sizin evin onunden
gececegim, bana yemek birakin’ diyor. Gurgun Savas karisina
‘bu aksam cezaevindeki arkadasim Hasan gerillalarla buradan
gececek, kapiya ekmek koy’ diyor. Sari bir posete 9 ekmek ve
bir kilo peynir konuyor, ve calilarin yanina konuyor. Gece
saat 22’de gerilla kiyafeti giymis bazi kisiler yiyecegi
bulamamis gibi Gurgun Savas’i cagiriyorlar. Gurgun savas’I
beya bir Renault’a bindirip goturuyorlar. Ertesi gun Gurgun
Savas’in iskence edilmis cesedi bulunuyor…

Hasan itirafci olduktan sonra Cem’in yaninda calismaya
basliyor. Bunlar PKK kiyafeti giyorlar. PKK sempatizanlarini
tuzaga dusurup olduruyorlar. Faili mechul bir cok olayi da
bu ekip gerceklestiriyor. Bolgede Cem’in bilgisi olmadan
kimse bu tur cinayetler isleyemez. Avukatlar kac kez Sirnak
Cumhuriyet Savciligina suc duyurusunda bulundu. Savci hep
takipsizlik karari verdi.”

Ersever 1988 yilinda Sirnak bolgesinde gorev yaptigi
donemde, Idil Ilcesinden Mehmet Bayar adli kisiyi gozaltina
aliyor. Daha sonra Bayar’in koynuna bir bomba koyup,
ellerini arkadan bagladiktan sonra kacmasini soyluyor.
Mehmet Bayar kacarken bomba patliyor ve oluyor. Bayar bu
olaydan sonra TRT ekranlarinda terorist olarak gosteriliyor!

“Sirnak halki Ersever’den cok korkar. Kontragerillanin basi
olarak bilir. Ersver PKK’li itirafcilardan kendine bir ekip
kurdu. Binbasi Ersever’in Haci Zeyrek adinda bir janai
vardi. Cem Ersever kendi iclerindeki bir hesaplasma
nedeniyle Haci Zeyrek’I oldurttu. Haci Zeyrek’in cesedi
Silopi’nin kuzeyinde bir torba icinde bulundu.”

5 Haziran 1993, Ulusal Basin Ajansi (UBA) Ersever’in
emekliye ayrildigi haberini geciyordu.

7 haziran sabahi burodayim. Ersver’I aradik, gorusme yapalim
dedik, kabul etti. Ogeleden sonra buroya gelecekti. Geldi.
Aylarca pesinden kosmustum. Kac kisiden ‘icaraatlarini’
dineldigim Kontragerilla sefi Binbasi Cem Ersever simdi
karsimdaydi…


Hanife


TOzturk

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Nov 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/29/97
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HANIFE BIR RUH HASTASI
bu bayana ben siz abdullah ocalana calisan bir PKK lisin dedi.
bunu kendiside ciddige almiyacak derecede cevap verdi.Eger bu yazdiklarin dogru
ise istihbaratini nerden aldin? PKK istihbarati veya onun verdigi konularda
abartilmis dede korkut masallarina basladigin balli.
SAYIN OKUYUCU HANIFE RUH DOKTORUNA IHTIYACI OLAN BIR HASTA.nasil agrin olunca
aspirin alirsin Hanifeye pisiyatris gerekli..Bu bayanda yurt disina cikmis
Amerikada Pkk ya calisan bir sekreter.ne kendi fikri var nede kim oldugunu
bilen dagda kandirilmis militandan farki yok.

Hanife

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Nov 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/29/97
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TOzturk wrote:

> HANIFE BIR RUH HASTASI
> bu bayana ben siz abdullah ocalana calisan bir PKK lisin dedi.
> bunu kendiside ciddige almiyacak derecede cevap verdi.Eger bu yazdiklarin dogru
> ise istihbaratini nerden aldin?

Sayin Ozturk,

Bazen buradaki insanlarin okumayi fazla sevmediklerini unutuveriyorum. Benim
aktarma yaptigim bir kitap. Soner Yalcin'in yazdigi "Binbasi Ersever'in Itiraflari"
Kaynak yayinlari, 1994. ISBN: 975-343-065-5. Ayrica bu kitabin internettede cok
kisa bir ozeti var. Nelerden bahsedecegimi merak ediyorsaniz ona da bir goz atin
isterseniz.

Daha durun yeni basladik, bekleyin daha neler okuyacaksiniz neler?


Hanife

Erol Keskin

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Hanife wrote:

> [........]


>
> Daha durun yeni basladik, bekleyin daha neler okuyacaksiniz neler?
>
> Hanife
>

Ay ay.

Hanife

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Kitabin bu kisminda Cem Ersever acikca (arkadasi Mustafa
Deniz’le birlikte) roportaj verdigi icin bilgiler fazla bir
deger tasimiyor. Daha sonra ise gazeteci Soner Yalcin ile
‘gizli’ gorusmeler yapiyor. Iste bu kisimda can alici seyler
anlatiyor. Bu bilgilerin kendisinin verdigi anlasilmasin diye,
Soner Yalcin’dan arada bir 2000’e Dogru dergisinde kendisi
aleyhine yazilar yazilmasini istiyor. Bundan sonra okuyacaginiz
kisim bu ‘gizli’ gorusmeler kismindan. Ama oncelikle Cem
Ersever’in Ahmet Aydin takma adiyla, “Kurtler, PKK ve A.
Ocalan” ve Tezgahtaki Ucgen adli iki kitap yayinladigini da
belirteyim.

ILK GIZLI BULUSMA

Binbasi Ersever roportaj sirasinda gazetecilerden sadece
Tercuman’dan Ali Oncu’yu tanidigini soylemisti. Ali Oncu’nun
Mart ayinda kaleme aldigi dizi oldukca ilgincti:
“Yaklasik 13 yildir gidip geldigim gerek halktan gerekse yonetim
kesiminden kisilerce cok iyi iliskiler kurdugum Guneydogu
Anadolu Bolgesi’nde bazen ayni soruyu defalarca kendime sordum.
Devlet yanlilarini PKK olduruyor. Peki, son gunlerde moda olan
ve ozellikle PKK yanlisi olan kisileri kim olduruyor? Bu
devletin kendini savunma yontemi olabilir miydi? Kendime bu
sorulari sorarken ozellikle devleti seven kesimden bazi kisileri
kullanarak etrafa haber saldim. Bu kisilerle konusmak istedigimi
bildirdim. Silopi’de 30 suren bekleyisim aslinda umitsizdi.
Cunku kimsenin “bu oldurmelerin sahibi biziz” diye karsima
gelecegini “ben Kontragerillaytim” diyecegini ummuyordum.

Ama bir gun Silopi’de kaldigim otelde hic tanimadigim yasli bir
adam geldi ve bana sunlari soyledi: “Ali Bey oglum, aksam hazir
ol. Geceyarisi seni alacaklar. Gozlerin bagli olacak. Yolda soru
sormayacaksin. Gittigin yer Anadolu Halk Cephesi’nin karargahi.
Gonullu savascilar yuzleri kapali olmak uzere resimde
cektirecekler. Ayrica korkmana gerek yok, sana zarar vermezler….
Saat 3:30’u gosterirken kapim calindi. Yuregimin sesini
duyuyordum. Cok korktugumu soylemezsem yalan soylemis olurum. Bu
olum korkusuydu. Karsimda yuzleri posuyla kamufle edilmis 5 kisi
duruyordu. Hepsi tepeden tirnaga silahliydi. Kapiyi calan bana
yaklasarak biraz dogu sivesi kokan bir aksanla, “Ali agabey
bizim reis seni gormek istiyor, konusacakmis. Yarim saat, 45
dakika bir yolumuz var. Yanliz gozlerini baglamamiz gerek. 20
daikak kadar da seninle yayan yurutecegiz"”dedi.
….

Burasi Anadolu Halk cephesi’nin karargahi idi. Gozlerim
cozuldugunde kendimi her tarafi Turk bayraklariyla bezenmis bir
odada buldum. Karsimda ellerinde otomatik kalasnikoflari olan
bir grup oturuyordu. Grubun ortasindaki kisi bir adim one
oturarak “kardes ne soracaksan sor, ben PKK’nin kontragerilla
dedigi Anadolu Halk Cephesi’nin lideriyim”..

Oncu’nun konustugu lider Ersever’in bize anlattiklarinin
benzerini anlatiyordu. Ali Oncu’nun yazi dizini gorusmemizde
Ersever’in onune koydum. Guldu, “Ali Oncu iyi senaryo yaziyor”
dedi. Ersever ve Oncu yillar once tanismislar. Oncu bolgeye
gittiginde mutlaka Ersever’in yaninda kaliyor. “Anadolu Halk
Cephesi” adini Ersever bulmus, mizanseni ise gazeteci Oncu
yazmis! Tabii ‘reis’ Binbasi Ersever’di.. “Reis’in cevresindeki
militanlar ise JITEM elemanlariydi…

Ersever, “Ali Oncu ile o gorusmeyi yaptigimda uniformam
uzerimdeydi. Mecburen oyle konustuk. Ancak daha sonra emekli
olduktan sonra Ali Oncu ile roportaj yaptik. Sizden once ilk
Tercuman’a konustum. Ancak yayinlamadilar” diyordu.

Ali Oncu’nun “Kontragerilla gercegi” dizisine donelim:

“Anadolu Halk Cephesi olmasa da boyle bir kontragerilla
orgutunun bolgede faaliyette oldugunu biliyordum. Bu orgut adini
bazen “Turk Intikam Tugayi” bazende “Osmanli Turk Intikam
Tugayi” olarak duyuruyordu. Bu orgutun elemanlarinin kimler
oldugu hakkinda fazla bir bilgi yoktu. Zaten bugune kadar orgut
uyesi kimse yakalanmamisti! Kuskusuz devlet ile cok sicak
iliskileri vardi. Orgutun eski MHP’lilerden ve itirafcilardan
meydana geldigi soyleniyordu. Hepsi tetikciydi.”

Ersever boyle bir orgut kurmak icin mi emekli olmustu acaba?

18 Temmuz 1993 tarihli Aydinlik gazetesinin manseti soyleydi:
“Devlet terorune mustesarlik”.

Haberde devletin Ersever’in programini kabul ettigi
belirtiliyordu. Kurt sorunun cozumu konusunda devlet Ersever’in
onerilerini kabul etmis gorunuyordu.

O gunlerde Ersver, TBMM Baskani Husamettin Cindoruk’la yanyana
geliyordu. Askerlerden umdugunu bulamayan Binbasi
miletvekillerinden medet umuyordu. Cindoruk, Ersever’e “Terorle
mucadale konusunda bir mustesarlik kurulacak, sana mustesar
yardimciligi gorevi verilecek” demisti. Ancak bu mustesarlik,
basindaki tepkiler yuzunden kurulamamisti. Ersver’e gore bu
mustesarligin kurulmasini Aydinlik onlemisti. “Siz haber
yaptiniz, siyasi liderlerden, milletvekillerinden tepki
demecleri alip yayinladiniz. Bunlar koalisyon ortagi SHP’yi cok
etkiledi, baski yaptilar Hukumete.”.

Teror Mustesarligi kurulamayinca Cindoruk, Ersever’in
Basbakanliga bagli bir guvenlik biriminde calistirilmasi icin
Ciller’e teklif yapiyor. Ancak Ciller, Ersever icin, “bu
arkadasimiz basinda fazla afise oldu. Biz onu herhangi bir
goreve getirirsek bunu gogusleyemeyiz. Basin uzerimize fazla
gelir simsekleri cekeriz” diyordu.

Buyuk umitlerle emekli olan Ersever ne Halk Ordusunu
kurabiliyor ne de tekrar devlet hizmetine donebiliyordu.
Binbasi Ersver’in yuzune artik kimse bakmiyordu…

16 Temmuz gunu Ersever ile yeniden bulusuyoruz. Bana “Diyarbakir
Jandarma Asayis Komutani degisiyor. Korgeneral Necati Ozgen bu
gorevinden alinacak, Kibris Baris Kuvvetleri komutanligina
gonderilecek. Ozgen’den bosalan yere Kibris Baris Kuvvetleri
Komutani Korgeneral Hasan Kundakci gelecek. Kundakci ozel harpci
bir subaydir. Bence gayri nizami savas icin bicilmis kaftan!
1957 harp okulu cikisli. Kundakci yurtdisinde de ozel harp
konusunda kurslar gordu”.

Binbasi Ersever’in soylediklerini Kurmay Albay bir dostuma
anlattim, “ben seni bir kac saat sonra ararim “ dedi. Aradi:
“Soyledigin dogru, Ozgen gidiyor, Kundakci geliyor” dedi.

17 Temmuz gunu Aydinlik’ta “topyekun savasa ozel komutanlar”
basligi ile Ersever’in soylediklerin yazdim, tabii Binbasi
Ersever’den bahsetmeden. Birkac gun sonra bazi gazetelerde bizim
haberi yalanlayan bilgiler cikti. Ancak sonucta, Ersever’in
verdigi bilginin dogru oldugu aciga cikti. Ozgen ile Kundakci
yer degistirdi.

Ersever ile gizli olarak yaptigim gorusmelerde hep ayni soruyu
soruyordum. Diyarbakir burosunda gorevli arkadasimiz Halit
Gungen’i kim oldurdu?

Halit Gungen 18 Subat 1992 tarihinde Diyarbakir’daki 2000’e
Dogru burosunda aksam 19:30 siralarinda, kimligi belirsiz kisi
veya kisilerce kafasina sikilan tek kursunla oldurulmustu.
Emniyet yetkililerine gore 25 santimetre uzakliktan sikilan
kursun omurilik soganindan girmis ve kasinin uzerinden
cikmisti. Gelen polisler buroyu aramislar ancak Halit Gunger’i
olduren mermi kovanini ve cekirdegini bulamamislardi. Halit
Gungen oldurulmeden once 28 haziran 1991 tarihinde gece yarisi
2000’e Dogru Diyarbakir burosunun bulundugu apartmandaki
dairelrin kapilarina tehdit bildirisi yapistirilmisti: Apartman
sakinleri! 2000’e Dogru ve piclerini disari atin. Aksi halde bu
bina havaya ucurulacaktir. Can ve malinida biz sorumlu degiliz.
Bes gun sureniz var.”

1991 yazinin bir baska ozelligi ise o gunlerde “Hizbullah”
denilen Islami bir orgutun ortaya cikmasiydi. Ilgintir
“Hizbullah” ozellikle PKK’nin onemli kurmaylarini hedef
aliyordu. Yoredeki demokrat isimler Kontragerillanin artik
eylemlerini “Hizbullah” adiyla yaptiklarini soyluyorlardi. Halit
Gungen “Hizbullah”in Diyarbakir Cevik Guc merkezinde
egitildiklerini ortaya cikarmisti. Bu haberinden 3 gun sonra
olduruldu.

27 Ekim 1992 tarihinde goz altina alinan, Batman Imam Hatip
Lisesi son sinif ogrencisi Nedim Uysal uzerinde silahla
yakalanmisti. “Hizbullah” orgutu elemani oldugu soylenen Nedim
Uysal’in tabancasi 0275 model 121702 sero nolu 9 mm capindaydi.
Silahin uzerinde yapilan balistik muayenesinde 1 kasim 1992 gun,
3587 sayili ekspertiz raporuna gore Halit Gungen’in oldurulmesi
olayinda da kullanilmisti!

Biraz once de belirttigim gibi gerek Emniyet yetkilileri,
gerekse biz aramamiza ragmen silahin mermi kovanini ve
cekirdegini bulamamistik. Simdi nasil oluyordu da Nedim
Uysal’in, Halit Gungen’in katili oldugu aciklanabiliyordu? Biz
polisin bu aciklamalarina itibar etmedik.

Ersver’e bu nedenle devamli Halit Gungen’i kimin oldurdugunu
soruyordum. Mutlaka bu olayin faillerini biliyordu. ..

23 Agustos 1993 ‘de bana “hani bana hep soruyordun; arkadsimizi
Diyarbakir’da kim oldurdu diye, bugun sana katillerini
soyleyecegim!”

Heyecanlanmistim. Iki aydir guvenini kazanmak icin ugrastigim
Binbasi Ersever gercekten iyi istihbarat vermeye basliyordu.

“Guneydogu grubu uce ayrilmistir; Birinci grup Diyarbakir,
Bitlis, Bingol, Elazig, Tunceli Hatti. Ikinci grup; Sirnak,
Cizre, Uludere, Senoba Hatti; Ucuncu grup ise Nusaybin, Midyat,
Mardi, Kiziltepe hattidir.

Ilk iki grubu iyi bilirim, ama ucuncusu hakkinda fazla bilgim
yoktur. Ikinci grubu siz 2000’e Dogru’da yazdiniz. Aslinda
oldukca iyi ortaya cikardiniz. Hilal Anap Belediye Baskani Yakup
Kara ve 4 arkadasini otomobilden indirerek kursuna dizenler
Babat’lardir. Ikinci bolge, korucu Babat’lardan sorulur. Bu
bolgedeki tum faili mechul cinayetlerin tetikcisi korucu
Babat’lardi. Babat asiret reisi Hazim Babat ayni zamanda korucu
basi. Devlete yaranmak icin cekinmeden adam oldurur. “

Babatlar ve Hazim Babat adi bize yabanci degildi. Hilal Belediye
Baskani Yakup Kara 28 haziran 1991 tarihinde Senoba Jandarma
Tabur Komutanligina bir kilometre uzaklikta oldurulmustu.
Cinayetin tetikcileri: Osman Babat, Alihan Babat, Nuri Babat,
Ekrem Babat ve Necip Uren’di. Adi tesbit edilemeyen bir korucu
ile uc tane de sivil giyimli subayin oldugu one surulmustu.
Taburun yani basinda, hemen her 100 metrede bir askeri arama
noktasinin oldugu boyle bir yerde, katiller ellerini kollarini
sallaya sallaya gitmislerdi.

Olayi, 2000’e Dogru’ya ayrintilariyla anlatan bir yuzbasi
cinayetin tabur komutanliginda planlandigini soylemisti. Bu
cinayetin ayrintilarini soruyorum Ersever’e: “Soyledigim gibi bu
gruptaki faili mechul cinayetleri Babat’larin isledigini
bilirim. Ancak nasil planlanir, tetigi kim ceker bilemem”.

Ersever nedense Babatlar hakkinda ayrintili bilgi vermekten
kaciyordu.

Ersever birinci grupta yer alan Diyarbakir, Bitlis, Bingol,
Elazig, Tunceli hattindaki faili mechul olaylari hakkinda
oldukca bilgiliydi.

“Bir donem basin bir isim uzerinde durdu: Sakalli ! Ozellikle
Tunceli yaptigi isleri ve isledigi cinayetleri SHP Tunceli
Milletvekili Kamer Genc Meclise getirmisti,. Kim bu sakalli?”

“Sakalliyi tum Tunceli tanir. Kisa zamanda unlendi. Yuzu fazla
tanininca hemen bolgeyi terk etti. Iste bu birinci gruptaki
faili mechul cinayetlerin sorumlusu, bu Sakallidir.

Sakallinin gercek adinin ne oldugunu ben de bilmiyorum. Kimse de
bilmez. Zaten boyle kod adi kullananlarin isimleri sorulmaz.
Sakalli bana adinin Ahmet demir oldugunu soylemisti. Belki
gercek adi budur. Ancak merak edip hic sormadim bile. Herkes
birbirini kod adiyla tanir.

Sakaklli, Elazigli. 4-5 kisiyle dolasir. Elazig’da 1970’li
yillarda siki bir MHP;liymis. Hatta bir ara Turkes’in korumasi
veya soforlugunu de yapmis. O donemde de tetikci.

Sizin basin ve yore halki ondan hep sakalli diye bahseder, biz
onu aslinda “yesil’ kod adiyla bilirz. Kod adi “Yesil”dir. {
Yesil kod adli kisinin asil adinin Mahmut Yildirim oldugu
biliniyor artik-Hanife} Evet bolgede Kontragerila vardir. 70'li
yillarda ki MHP tetikcileri bir sonraki donemde polis ve askerin
emrine girdi. Belki MHP’nin icine de emirle girmislerdi, onu
bilemem. Bunlar hasta ruhlu kisilerdir. Davranislarina bakinca
hemen anlarsiniz ‘psikopat’ olduklarini. Bunlar devletin yaninda
olmaktan guven duyarlar. Guclu olduklarini hissederler. Sik sik
kendilerini vatana millete adadiklrini soylerler. Soranlara
polisim veya istihbaratciyim derler. Emniyete ve jandarmaya
rahatca girip ciktiklari icin, arkadas cevreleri de bunlarin
polis, asker oldugundan emindirler!.

Bolge de saniyorum boyle yuze yakin kisi vardir. Bunlarin cogu
tetikcidir. Tek amaclari PKK ile savasmaktir. Silahlari,
mermileri ve paralari devlet tarafindan karsilanir. Bir sekilde
illegal korucudurlar. Gozlerini kirpmadan adam oldururler,
iskence yaparlar. Kendilerine Turk Intikam Tugayi veya Osmanli
Turk Intikam Tugayi gibi isimler verirler. Bu adamlar
birbirleriyle de rekabet ederler. “Kim daha iyi devletin gozune
girecek” diye yarisarak adam oldururler. Herkesin kendi grubu
vardir. Birbirlerini kiskanirlar. Bunlarin en guclusu ve en
tehlikelisi Sakalli; yani Yesil’dir.

Yesil ile birlikte bolgede bir cok faili mechul olaya karismis
bir isim daha vardir. Mehmet Yaziciogullari. Bu adam
Bingol’ludur. Bolgede taninmis bir sima. Bingol’de benzin
istasyonu ve turistik tesisi vardir. Bu tesis –sizin
deyiminizle- kontragerillanin bolgedeki en onemli ustlerinden
biridir.

Mehmet Yaziciogullari da 70 li yillarda siki bir MHP’li. Bir
donem ogretmenlik yapmis. Sana bu adam hakkinda bir sey daha
soyleyecegim kucuk dilini yutacaksin. Mehmet Yaziciogullari 1991
erken genel secimlerinde DYP milletvekili adayiydi. DYP Bingol
lisetsinin 6 ‘inci sirasindaydi. Secilemedi. Adam secilse simdi
meclisteydi. Belki onumuzdeki secimlerde girer meclise!..”

Ersver iki isim ortaya atmisti. Ancak detayli bilgi vermiyordu.
“Eger olaylar hakkinda ayrintili bilgi verirsem benim
soyledigimi hemen anlarlar. Dogrusunu soylemek gerekirse bu da
benim isime hic gelmez. Adamlarla halen oturup konusuyoruz.
Bolgeye gittigimde mutlaka onlara ugruyorum. Istersen bir gun
seni de gotururum. Ancak Aydinlik kimligi ile degil. Sana sahte
bir kimlik yaparim ben. Takma bir isim bulurz, yuz seklini
sacini, biyigini degistiririz. Seni tanimasinlar. Oturup sohbet
edersin. Her seyi kendi gozlerinle gorursun!”

“Nasil biridirler?”

Yaziciogullari 36-37 yaslarinda. Yasil ise 42 yasinda. Bunlar
her eylemi 4-5 kisilik bir timle yaparlar. Yapilacak isin capi
buyukse hemen ek olarak bir kac kisi buluverirler”.

Halit Gungen’ kimin oldurdugunu soyleyecegini’ animsattim.

Hanife

Karabagh1

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Nov 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM11/29/97
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Ozturk,

I can read Turkish but I can not write therefore I would like to post an answer
in English.

I have been reading Hanife for a while now and her exposes really hurt Turkis
pride. Well......the whole world knows what is happening in Southeastern part
of Turkey. No matter how much deny, no matter what your government says, it
seems that PKK is here to stay.

You massacred Armenians in 1915 and got rid of us from Anatolia, however Kurds
are 20 + million and they are giving a hell of a time to your mighty( lol)
army. Turkish government should sit down with them and come some kind of an
arrengement. You are waisitng your country's resources ; men, equipment and
money which you do not have. You Turks are still living in the past glory of
the Ottoman empire. The last significant thing you people did was becoming a
republic, but since then your country has been going down hill. If it was not
for the cold war, you would not have received any help from USA, which
prolonged your agony.
Give it up, make amends with your neighbours, accept the past mistakes and look
forward to better relations with your neighbours in the 21 st Century.
You have a slogan which says "Ne mutlu Turkum diyene". Well ...I do not think
so, you should feel sorry for yourselves. 30 years ago you could go anywhere in
Europe without a visa with your Turkish passport, but now....of boy... every
country requires a visa and they inspect the passports to the minute detail.
What happened?Is a great nation (lol) to be treated like this?.....


Erol Keskin

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Karabagh1 wrote:

> Dear Ms. Hanife,
>
> Give it up. No matter how much you write, no matter how much you explain the
> perfidious turk will never listen. The best is to direct your efforts to the
> realizations of your dream and work for your cause.
>
> I remember somebody on the AOL saying that Turks are like
> ostriches, they dig their head in the sand ,hoping that the reality around them
> disappears.


Dream on kiddo!! Best head diggers so far I know are Armenians.
Hanife is dreaming of getting Armenian land, how about it? LOL

Hakan Basagaoglu

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Karabagh1 (kara...@aol.com) wrote:
: Ozturk,

:
: I can read Turkish but I can not write therefore I would like to post an answer
: in English.
:
: I have been reading Hanife for a while now and her exposes really hurt Turkis
: pride. Well......the whole world knows what is happening in Southeastern part
: of Turkey. No matter how much deny, no matter what your government says, it
: seems that PKK is here to stay.
:
: You massacred Armenians in 1915 and got rid of us from Anatolia,


check this out.... Lets take a look at the other side of the coin.

After reading the articles below, you will realize that no matter how much
you deny, Armenians massacred nearly 2.5 millios Turks + muslim
community in the eastern part of Anatolia in 1915 with a tremendous
logistic and military support from Russia. Keep itin your mind that one
misconception on the historical facts follows the another. Thank you for
proving the correctness of this statement here on the net.
Hakan

---------
Armenian Genocide of 2.5 Million Muslim People


_The Jewish Times_ June 21, 1990

_An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the
systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of
the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at
least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The
memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and
eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in
1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound._


A. Lalayan, _Revolutsionniy Vostok (Revolutionary East)_
No: 2-3, Moscow, 1936.
-One of the architects of the Armenian genocide
of 2.5 million Muslim people_


_I killed Muslims by every means possible. Yet it is
sometimes a pity to waste bullets for this. The best
way is to gather all of these dogs and throw them into
wells and then fill the wells with big and heavy stones,
as I did. I gathered all of the women, men and children,
threw big stones down on top of them. They must never live
on this earth._


Leonard Ramsden Hartill, _Men Are Like That_ The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926).
_Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the Armenian
genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people_


_Foreword:_

_For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar
mosque, the most habitable building of a destroyed village, near
the border of Persia and Russian Armenia. During the course of
evening I asked Ohanus if he could tell me anything of the history
of the village and the cause of its destruction. In his matter of
fact way he replied, Yes, I assisted in its sack and destruction,
and witnessed the slaying of those whose bones you saw to-day
scattered among its ruins._

p. 218 (first and second paragraphs)

_We Armenians did not spare the Muslims. If persisted in, the
slaughtering of Tartars, the looting, and the rape and massacre
of the helpless become commonplace actions expected and accepted
as a matter of course.

I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the
ground, in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. Muslims
had been as helpless and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died
as soldiers die in the heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage,
with weapons in their hands, and exchanging blow for blow. They had
died as the helpless must, with their hearts and brains bursting
with horror worse than death itself._


Leonard Ramsden Hartill, _Men Are Like That_ The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926).
_Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the Armenian
genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people_


p. 15 (second paragraph)

_The Tartars [Muslims] were, for the most part, poor. Some of them
lived in villages and cultivated small farms; many of them continued
in the way of life of their nomadic forefathers. They drove their
flocks and herds from valley to valley, from plain to mountain, and
from mountain to plain, following the pasturage as it changed with
the seasons. They ranged from the salt desert shores of the Caspian
Sea far into the mighty Caucasus Mountains. Even the village Tartars
are a primitive people, only semicivilized.

I can see now that we Armenians frankly despised the Tartars, and,
while holding a disproportionate share of the wealth of the country,
regarded and treated them as inferiors._


p. 20 (second paragraph)

_Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the
Tartar section of the village. There were no lights in the houses
and the doors were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to
happen and were in great fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but
got no response; whereupon they smashed in the doors and began a
carnage that continued until the last Tartar was slain. Throughout
the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror, unable to shut my
ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and the loud
shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished._


Leonard Ramsden Hartill, _Men Are Like That_ The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926).
_Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the Armenian
genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people_


p. 109 (second paragraph).

_The method of execution was for an Armenian government 'mauserist'
to walk up behind the condemned Muslim in his home or on the street,
place a pistol to the back of his head and blow out his brains.
This simple way of getting rid of those who were undesirable in
the view of the Armenian government and soon became a common way
of paying debts._


p. 202 (first and second paragraphs)

_We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as
ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work
of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts
into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable
and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets
completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They
found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border
into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole
length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to
Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain
plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of
Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for
howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
scattered bones of the dead._


Leonard Ramsden Hartill, _Men Are Like That_ The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis.
_Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the Armenian
genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people_

p. 203 (second paragraph)

_One evening I passed through what had been a Tartar village. Among
the ruins a fire was burning. I went to the fire and saw seated about
it a group of soldiers. Among them were two Tartar girls, mere children.
The girls were crouched on the ground, crying softly with suppressed
sobs. Lying scattered over the ground were broken household utensils
and other furnishings of Tartar peasant homes. There were also bodies
of the Muslim dead._

p. 204 (first paragraph)

_I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying
of a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to
make my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the
tragedy that had been enacted. Guided by the child's crying, I entered
the yard of a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been
the home of a Muslim family. There in a corner of the yard I found a
women dead. Her throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small
child, a girl about a year old._


_San Francisco Chronicle_ (December 11, 1983)

_We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian
atrocities against our people (Jews). Members of our family
witnessed the murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum,
Turkey, by Armenian neighbors, bent on destroying anything and
anybody remotely Jewish and/or Muslim...Armenians were in league
with Hitler in the last war, on his premise to grant themselves
government if, in return, the Armenians would help exterminate
Jews. Armenians were also hearty proponents of the anti-Semitic
acts in league with the Russian Communists._

Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.


"U.S. Library of Congress" _Bristol Papers_ - General
Correspondence Container #34.

_While the Dashnaks [x-Russian Armenian Government] were in
power they did everything in the world to keep the pot boiling
by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars; by committing outrages
against the Moslems; by massacring the Moslems; and robbing and
destroying their homes. During the last two years the Armenians
in Russian Caucasus have shown no ability to govern themselves
and especially no ability to govern or handle other races under
their power._


_Bristol Papers_, General Correspondence: Container #32: Bristol
to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.

_I have it from absolute first-hand information that the
Armenians in the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Muslim) villages
that are utterly defenseless and bombarded these villages
with artillery and they murder the inhabitants, pillage the
village and often burn the village._


F. Kazemzadeh, _The Struggle for Transcaucasia_ (New York, 1951),
p. 69.

_This three-day massacre by Armenians is recorded in history as
the 'March Events' and thousands of Muslims, old people, women
and children lost their lives._


W. E. D. Allen and Paul Muratoff, _Caucasian Battlefields_ Cambridge
University Press, 1953, p. 481.

_As the Armenians found support among the Reds (who regarded the
Tartars as a counter-revolutionary elements) the fighting soon
became a massacre of the Tartar population._


G. Bronsart, _Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung_ July 24, 1921

_Since all the Moslems capable of bearing arms were in the
Muslim Army, it was easy to organize a terrible massacre by
the Armenians against defenseless people, because the Armenians
were not only attacking the sides and rear of the Eastern Army
paralyzed at the front by the Russians, but were attacking the
Moslem folk in the region as well._


John Dewey, _The Turkish Tragedy_ The New Republic, Volume 40,
November 12, 1928, pp. 268-269.

_Armenians boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and
fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned
at least a hundred Muslim villages and exterminated their
population._


G. Hamelin, _Les Armees Francaises au Levant_ February 2, 1919,
Vol. 1, p. 122.

_Armenians burned and destroyed many Muslim villages in their
advance and practically all Muslim villages in their retreat
from Marash._


Prof F. Hertas, _Van Muslim Holocaust Museum: Muslim and Western
Documents on the Genocide Committed by the Armenians
Against the Muslims_ 1984.

p. 121.

_In his speech given at the Sivas Congress, Mustafa Kemal once again
drew a picture of the country under occupation:

In the East, the Armenians are making preparations for advancing to
the River Halys (Kizilirmak), and have already started a policy of
massacring the Moslem population._

p. 122.

_The situation of the southern provinces of Turkey after the signing
of the Mudros Armistice is described by Ataturk in his speech:

The Armenians in the south, armed by foreign troops and encouraged
by the protection they enjoyed, molested the Mohammedans of their
district. They pursued a relentless policy of murder and extinction
everywhere. The Armenians had completely destroyed an old Mohammedan
town like Maras by their artillery and machine-gun fire.

They killed thousands of innocent and defenceless Muslim women and
children. The Armenians were the instigators of the atrocities, which
were unique in history.

Threatened by the bayonets of the Armenians, who were armed to the teeth,
the Mohammedans in the Vilayet of Adana were at that time in danger of
being annihilated. While this policy of oppression and annihilation was
carried on against the Mohammedans by the Armenians..._


Basar, H. K. (ed.); _Muslim and Russian Documents on the Genocide
Committed by the Armenians Against the Muslims_
1981.

p. 22.

_The atrocities and massacres which have been committed for a long time
against the Muslim population within the Armenian Republic have been
confirmed with very accurate information, and the observations made by
Rawlinson, the British representative in Erzurum, have confirmed that
these atrocities are being committed by the Armenians. The United States
delegation of General Harbord has seen the thousands of refugees who came
to take refuge with Kazim Karabekir's soldiers, hungry and miserable,
their children and wives, their properties destroyed, and the delegation
was a witness to the cruelties. Many Muslim villages have been destroyed
by the soldiers of Armenian troops armed with cannons and machine guns
before the eyes of Karabekir's troops and the people. When it was hoped
that this operation would end, unfortunately since the beginning of
February the cruelties inflicted on the Muslim population of the region
of Shuraghel, Akpazar, Zarshad, and Childir have increased. According
to documented information, 28 Muslim villages have been destroyed in the
aforementioned region, more than 60,000 people have been slaughtered,
many possessions and livestock have been seized, young Muslim women
have been taken to Kars and Gumru, thousands of women and children who
were able to flee their villages were beaten, raped and massacred in the
mountains, and this aggression against the properties, lives, chastity
and honour of the Muslims continued. It was the responsibility of the
Armenian Government that the cruelties and massacres be stopped in order
to alleviate the tensions of Muslim public opinion due to the atrocities
committed by the Armenians, that the possessions taken from the Muslims
be returned and that indemnities be paid, that the properties, lives,
and honour of the Muslims be protected._


Avetis Aharonian, _From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne_
Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn,
Sep. 1963, pp. 47-57.


p. 52 (second paragraph).

_Your three Armenian chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are
the ringleaders of the bands which have destroyed Muslim villages
and have staged massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and
Zangibasar. This is intolerable. Look - and here he pointed to a
file of official documents on the table - look at this, here in
December are the reports of the last few months concerning ruined
Muslim villages which my representative Wardrop has sent me. The
official Tartar communique speaks of the destruction of 300 villages
by the Armenians._

p. 54 (fifth paragraph).

_Yes, of course. I repeat, until this massacre of the Muslim is
stopped and the three chiefs are not removed from your military
leadership I hardly think we can supply you arms and ammunition._

_It is the armed bands led by Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian who
during the past months have raided and destroyed many Muslim villages
in the regions of Surmali, Etchmiadzin, Zangezour, and Zangibasar.
There are official charges of massacres by the Armenians._


Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, _Russian View on the Genocide Committed by
the Armenians Against the Muslims_ 1987,
pp. 45-53.

_The killings were organized by the doctors and the employers, and
the act of killing was committed solely by the Armenian Army. More
than eighty thousand unarmed and defenceless Muslims have been massacred
in Erzincan and Erzurum. Large holes were dug and the defenceless
Muslims were slaughtered like animals next to the holes. Later, the
murdered Muslims were thrown into the holes. The Armenian who stood
near the hole would say when the hole was filled with the corpses:
'Seventy dead bodies, well, this hole can take ten more.' Thus ten
more Muslims would be cut into pieces, thrown into the hole, and when
the hole was full it would be covered over with soil.

The Armenians responsible for the act of murdering would frequently
fill a house with eighty Muslims, and cut their heads off one by one.
Following the Erzincan massacre, the Armenians began to withdraw
towards Erzurum... The Armenian Army among those who withdrew to
Erzurum from Erzincan raided the Moslem villages on the road, and
destroyed the entire population, together with the villages._


A. Rawlinson, _Adventures in the Near East_
Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934
(First published 1923) (287 pages).
_Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the
Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people_

p. 184 (second paragraph)

_I had received further very definite information of horrors
that had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain,
and as I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by
their treatment of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis
from Zivin that 'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should
not be left in independent command of the Moslem population, as,
their troops being without discipline and not under effective control,
atrocities were constantly being committed, for which we should with
justice eventually be held to be morally responsible'_

A. Rawlinson, _Adventures in the Near East_
Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934
(First published 1923) (287 pages).
_Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the
Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people_


p. 178 (first paragraph)

_In those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been
searched for arms by the Armenians everything had been taken
under the cloak of such search, and not only had many Moslems
been killed by the Armenian Army, but horrible tortures had
been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as to
where valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were
aware of the existence, although they had been unable to find
them._


p. 177 (third paragraph)

_Armenian troops have pillaged and destroyed all the Moslem
villages in the plain. Caravans of refugees were in the meanwhile
constantly arriving from the plain, from which the whole Moslem
population was fleeing with as much of their personal property as
they could transport, seeking to obtain security and protection._

A. Rawlinson, _Adventures in the Near East_
Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934
(First published 1923) (287 pages).
_Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the
Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people_


p. 175 (first paragraph)

_The arrival of this British brigade was followed by the
announcement that Kars Province had been allotted by the
Supreme Council of the Allies to the Armenians, and that
announcement having been made, the British troops were then
completely withdrawn, and Armenian occupation commenced. Hence
all the trouble; for the Armenians at once commenced the wholesale
robbery and persecution of the Muslem population on the pretext
that it was necessary forcibly to deprive them of their arms.
In the portion of the province which lies in the plains they
were able to carry out their purpose, and the manner in which
this was done will be referred to in due course._

p. 181 (first paragraph)

_The Armenians from the plain were attacking the Kurdish people
with artillery, with a large force in support._


Robert Dunn, _World Alive, A Personal Story_
Crown Publishers, Inc., New York (1952).
_Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the
Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people_

p. 361 (seventh paragraph) and p. 362 (first paragraph).

'The most of the Muslims slaughtered by the Armenians are
inside houses. Come you and look.'
'No, dammit! My stomach isn't-'
_We were under those trees by the mosque, in an open space.
'I don't believe you,' I said, but followed to a nail-studded
door. The man pushed it ajar, then spurred away, leaving me
to check on the corpse. I thought I should, this charge was
so constant, so gritted my teeth and went inside.

The place was cool but reeked of sodden ashes, and was dark
at first, for its stone walls had only window slits. Rags
strewed the mud floor around an iron tripod over embers that
vented their smoke through roof beams black with soot. All
looked bare and empty, but in an inner room flies buzzed. As
the door swung shut behind me I saw they came from a man's
body lying face up, naked but for its grimy turban. He was
about fifty years old by what was left of his face - a rifle
butt had bashed an eye. The one left slanted, as with Tartars
rather than with Kurds. Any uniform once on him was gone, so
I'd no proof which he was, and quickly went out, gagging at
the mess of his slashed genitals._


Robert Dunn, _World Alive, A Personal Story_
Crown Publishers, Inc., New York (1952).
_Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the
Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people_

p. 363 (first paragraph).

'How many Muslim people lived there?'
'Oh, about eight hundred.' He yawned.
'Did you see any Muslim officers?'
'No, sir. I was in at dawn. All were Tartar civilians in mufti.'

_The lieutenant dozed off, then I, but in the small hours a
voice woke me - Dro's [Armenian architect of the genocide
of 2.5 million Muslim people - ye]. He stood in the starlight
bawling out an officer. Anyone keelhauled so long and furiously
I'd never heard. Then abruptly Dro broke into laughter, quick
and simple as child's. Both were a cover for his sense of guilt,
I thought, or hoped. For somehow, despite my boast of irreligion,
Christian Armenian massacring 'infidels' was more horrible than
the reverse would have been.

From daybreak on, Armenian villagers poured in from miles around.
The Armenian women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as
they picked over the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's
chattels, the last scrap of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing
pots, saddlebags, looms, even spinning-wheels.

'Thank you for a lot, Dro,' I said to him back in camp. 'But now I
must leave.' We shook hands, the captain said 'A bientot, mon camarade.'
And for hours the old Molokan scout and I plodded north across parching
plains. Like Lot's wife I looked back once to see smoke bathing all,
doubtless in a sack of other Moslem villages by the Armenian Army up to
the line of snow that was Iran.'_


Robert Dunn, _World Alive, A Personal Story_
Crown Publishers, Inc., New York (1952).
_Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the
Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people_


_San Francisco Chronicle_ (December 11, 1983)
(Editor's Mailbox - Section B)

_We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian
atrocities against our people (Jews). Members of our family
witnessed the murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum,
Turkey, by Armenian neighbors, bent on destroying anything and
anybody remotely Jewish and/or Muslim...Armenians were in league
with Hitler in the last war, on his premise to grant themselves
government if, in return, the Armenians would help exterminate
Jews. Armenians were also hearty proponents of the anti-Semitic
acts in league with the Russian Communists._

Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.


The Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik (an official mouthpiece
for the ex-Soviet Armenian Government), carried statements as follows:[*]

_Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements [the
Jews] when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when
it becomes necessary for a people [the Nazis] to eradicate them in an
uncommon method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During
the surgical operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing._[**]

[*] James G. Mandalian, _Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,_ in the 'Armenian
Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:
June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.

[**] Quoted by James Mandalian: _Who Are The Dashnags?_ Boston,
Hairenik Press, 1944, pp. 13-4.


TOzturk

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MUDDETCE.SENINLE BENIM MUTAB OLMAMA ILERLEME DE

TOzturk

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TOzturk

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We know PKK is your terrorist group. You do not need to defend them here
yourself as an armenian. Do you want our goverment make a deal with terror you
support in our country. You stay where armenia is .Do not let me find you
anywhere in anatolia.You will be very sorry . PKK is done .If you want come
and get your trash.

Pegas travel

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Hanife <han...@uakron.edu> wrote in article
<3480407D...@uakron.edu>...


> Kitabin bu kisminda Cem Ersever acikca (arkadasi Mustafa
> Deniz’le birlikte) roportaj verdigi icin bilgiler fazla bir
> deger tasimiyor. Daha sonra ise gazeteci Soner Yalcin ile
> ‘gizli’ gorusmeler yapiyor. Iste bu kisimda can alici seyler
> anlatiyor. Bu bilgilerin kendisinin verdigi anlasilmasin diye,
> Soner Yalcin’dan arada bir 2000’e Dogru dergisinde kendisi
> aleyhine yazilar yazilmasini istiyor. Bundan sonra okuyacaginiz
> kisim bu ‘gizli’ gorusmeler kismindan. Ama oncelikle Cem
> Ersever’in Ahmet Aydin takma adiyla, “Kurtler, PKK ve A.
> Ocalan” ve Tezgahtaki Ucgen adli iki kitap yayinladigini da
> belirteyim.


Ben de okudugumu belirteyim..
fakat bunlarin hepsi iki ucu pislikli
degnektir..eger pisligi tanimlamak
istiyorsaniz ister istemez karsisindakini de
tanimlamak zorundasiniz ..karsisindaki de
kendisi gibi dupeduz pisliktir iste...eger boyle dusunmuyorsaniz
vaktinizi haybeye harciyorsunuz..Ersever'i oldurenler kadar
Ersever'i yaratan kosullarda emegi gecenler de pislik icinde
yuzmektedirler...siddete kufrederken diger yandan siddeti alkislamaya
yeltenmek pek hos olmuyor dogrusu .
Saglicakla kalin
E

TOzturk

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SAYIN HANIFE
Daha onceki yazilarinda acikca ermeni agiziyla konustun.Ve PKK nin tanidigim en
buyuk destekcisisin .Diyebiliriz PKK bir Kurt halki cikarlarina degil bir
ermeni cikarlarina hizmet yapiyor.Kurtleri bu kadar dusuncesizmi zannettiniz?
Yunanla ermeninin suriyeli esadin fedaisimi Kurtler?Bak sapkan dustu ve yuzunu
gosterdin.

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