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Is the ruling party of Prime Minister Erdoðan (AKP) a threat to Turkish democracy? Yes, says Michael Rubin

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BilgeKhan

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May 3, 2008, 10:52:03 AM5/3/08
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Is the ruling party of Prime Minister Erdoğan a threat to Turkish democracy?

-- Michael Rubin, American Enterprise Institute

The legal case against the AKP is an affirmation of democracy
rather than an assault upon it. Democracy rests upon the
rule of law and constitutionalism. Neither plurality support
nor a majority in parliament should place any politician or
party above the law.

[...]

Popularity and democracy are not synonymous, though.
Turkish constitutionalism separates religion from party politics
in order to preserve democracy. Prime Minister Erdoğan has
abused this separation. He has eroded the distinction between
religious and public education, sought to retire forcibly several
thousand secular judges who questioned his party's interpretations
of the constitution, and then moved to replace those judges
with AKP apparatchiks. He also has instituted an interview process
-controlled by party loyalists- designed to evaluate government
technocrats on the basis of religiosity rather than merit.
Turkish Air employees have even been quizzed on their belief in the Koran.

No party or prime minister in Turkey's history has been so
hostile to the press. Erdoğan has sued dozens of journalists
and editors. In a strategy borrowed from Iran, he has
confiscated newspapers-such as Sabah, the national daily-
which he deemed too critical or independent, and transferred their
control to political allies. Journalists such as Vatan's Can Ataklı
and Reha Muhtar, television commentator Nihat Genç, Sky Turk's
Serdar Akinan, and Kanal Türk's Tuncay Özkan are now under fire
either for their own criticism or, in the case of the television announcers,
for their guests' criticism of the ruling party.

Erdoğan has treated courts, both international and domestic,
with disdain. After the European Court of Human Rights decided
against permitting headscarves in Turkish universities,
he declared that "only ulama [Islamic religious scholars] could" issue
such a judgment. In several instances, Erdoğan has refused to uphold
the Supreme Court's decisions when it ruled against the AKP's
confiscation of political opponents' property. In a moment reminiscent
of Henry II, a follower gunned down a justice after the prime minister
launched a fusillade against the Court.

Both AKP supporters and Western officials unfamiliar with the
AKP's record paint the Court's actions as undemocratic.
AKP supporters argue that the party represents democracy,
and they seek to equate any opposition-be it secular, nationalist,
or judicial-as fascist. This is unfair. Ultra-nationalists who do not abide
by the law find themselves in court, just as the AKP now does.
The military has stayed on the sideline, as it should. Declaring its
support for the constitution in a written statement is not a coup.

Turkey is not alone in holding politicians legally accountable.
In April 2000, the European Parliament suspended French
demagogue Jean-Marie Le Pen; soon afterward,
Austrian politician Jörg Haider also faced sanction.
The global community does not allow Hamas's popularity among
the Palestinians to absolve it of responsibilities under international law.

True democracy requires respect for the judicial process.
Let Erdoğan have his day in court. We should respect the results
as a sign that Turkey's democracy has matured.
"


Panta Rhei

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May 3, 2008, 7:52:12 PM5/3/08
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BilgeKhan, the lobotomized Turk, also formerly known on the Usenet as
notoriously lying and falsifying "Baba Bey the Turk", a criminal mass
canceller of thousands of posts and rabid Jew, Greek, Kurd and Armenian
hater, writes:

> http://www.american.com/archive/2008/april-04-08/turkey2019s-uncertain-future-a-symposium

You sick Turkish Nazi swine "forgot" again to post the other, differing
opinions on that same site that consider the attack on a DEMOCRATICALLY
ELECTED government a threat to democracy!

BTW, you hilarious, retarded Turkish Nazi SWINE: the guy you picked out,
Michael Rubin, is most likely a JEW! The sort of folks that you consider
responsible for all the evil in the world and that you want to be deported
form the US! He's most likely a Jew like Ataturk, who was most likely a
Doenmeh Jew, but whom you adore, you Turkish clown!

What a plain, hilarious IDIOT you are!


Excerpts from the above Turkish Nazi swines abnormal postings:

Message-ID: <flm7er$tji$1...@aioe.org>
Jews are a big threat to the American nation! America does not need any
Jews!
------------------------------
Message-ID: <fpbqei$aun$1...@aioe.org>
Muslims are worser than wild animals!
I prefer a wild animal over any Muslim!
Islam belongs to hell!
-------------------------------
Message-ID: <fkj62u$e9n$1...@aioe.org>
ATTENTION! Jewish MOSSAD plans terror attack at Christmas!
-------------------------------
Watch out everywhere in the world!
The jewish terror organisation MOSSAD seems to plan a terror attack
at Christmas and/or NewYear!
-----------------------------------------
Message-ID: <fk7pk9$te7$1...@aioe.org>
That's the nature of the Jew, a typical backstabber...
------------------------------------------
Message-ID: <fk7lfc$ior$1...@aioe.org>
PATRIOT AMERICANS!
YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOUR HELP! MORE THAN EVER!
Watch out and report all suspect activities of the Jews
and their collaborators to the FBI here: https://tips.fbi.gov/
TIA!
---------------------------------------------
Message-ID: <figtc2$qo1$1...@aioe.org>
Mission Impossible: Jews and Peace

Q: Why are the Jews afraid of Annapolis?

A: Because it would bring peace to Middle East...
-------------------------------------------------------
Message-ID: <fiffjf$gke$1...@aioe.org>
Israel is the HQ of international crime

Israel - A Home For The Criminal Jews Of The World

Israel was created for saving and potecting criminal Jews of the world.
---------------------------------------------------------
Message-ID: <fk1ear$epa$1...@aioe.org>
Jewish vampires suck Michael Jackson, the King of Pop
-----------------------------------------------------------
Message-ID: <fia4f1$56h$1...@aioe.org>
The destruction of America by the Jews

The whole world is witnessing the destruction
of another great country, USA, by its highly organized jewish subjects...

God bless America
---------------------------------------------------------
Message-ID: <fiagk2$b23$1...@aioe.org>
Here's the Final Solution of the 'Jewish Question'

How to solve the Jewish Question

The best and humane solution would be to settle
all Jews of the world in the state of Nebraska, USA.
They must live only within the borders of Nebraska.
This solution is the best solution for the world;
the Middle East would have peace, and also everywhere
else on Earth would be justice and freedom...
----------------------------------------------------
Message-ID: <fij17d$jne$1...@aioe.org>

America is on the brink of a new civil war.
American rulers are incompetent warmongering fascist liars.
America has become a fascist police state.
America has a record debt.
The Americans are resignated, desillusioned, broken.
This all is just a part of 'The Plan'.
Jews were the planners of this catastrophe for America.
Today the jewish bankers are the owners of America's debts.
In other words: America is under total control by the world Jewry.
The plan of the world jewry is to dominate and control desired parts of the
world,
in other words to enslave other nations; in the end the whole world.

The jewish trick is as follows:

1) secretly create unrest, chaos, cathastrophes, terror attacks, wars

2) offer the victim your "service" (ie. lending money) for a solution of
the problem

3) continue secretly creating unrest, chaos, cathastrophes, terror attacks,
wars

4) lend the victim the money he needs to be able to end this chaos
(of course with some certain secret conditions, and high interests of
course...)

Now the future of this victim country is in the hands of the jews...

Ask how they did to England in the past to force them
to give Palestine for the creation of the jewish state Israel.
England is still under their total control.
Now is America their victim...
Their goal is of course making huge profits and control of the world,
finally a jewish world domination by enslaving the goyim (ie. the non-jews)
Jewish money rules the world...

Benjamin

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May 3, 2008, 8:29:02 PM5/3/08
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On 3 mai, 16:52, "BilgeKhan" <bilgeekh...@bilgekhannnnetorg.tr> wrote:
> http://www.american.com/archive/2008/april-04-08/turkey2019s-uncertai...
> "
> Is the ruling party of Prime Minister Erdoðan a threat to Turkish democracy?

>
> -- Michael Rubin, American Enterprise Institute
>
> The legal case against the AKP is an affirmation of democracy
> rather than an assault upon it. Democracy rests upon the
> rule of law and constitutionalism. Neither plurality support
> nor a majority in parliament should place any politician or
> party above the law.
>
> [...]
>
> Popularity and democracy are not synonymous, though.
> Turkish constitutionalism separates religion from party politics
> in order to preserve democracy. Prime Minister Erdoðan has

> abused this separation. He has eroded the distinction between
> religious and public education, sought to retire forcibly several
> thousand secular judges who questioned his party's interpretations
> of the constitution, and then moved to replace those judges
> with AKP apparatchiks. He also has instituted an interview process
> -controlled by party loyalists- designed to evaluate government
> technocrats on the basis of religiosity rather than merit.
> Turkish Air employees have even been quizzed on their belief in the Koran.
>
> No party or prime minister in Turkey's history has been so
> hostile to the press. Erdoðan has sued dozens of journalists

> and editors. In a strategy borrowed from Iran, he has
> confiscated newspapers-such as Sabah, the national daily-
> which he deemed too critical or independent, and transferred their
> control to political allies. Journalists such as Vatan's Can Ataklý

> and Reha Muhtar, television commentator Nihat Genç, Sky Turk's
> Serdar Akinan, and Kanal Türk's Tuncay Özkan are now under fire
> either for their own criticism or, in the case of the television announcers,
> for their guests' criticism of the ruling party.
>
> Erdoðan has treated courts, both international and domestic,

> with disdain. After the European Court of Human Rights decided
> against permitting headscarves in Turkish universities,
> he declared that "only ulama [Islamic religious scholars] could" issue
> such a judgment. In several instances, Erdoðan has refused to uphold

> the Supreme Court's decisions when it ruled against the AKP's
> confiscation of political opponents' property. In a moment reminiscent
> of Henry II, a follower gunned down a justice after the prime minister
> launched a fusillade against the Court.
>
> Both AKP supporters and Western officials unfamiliar with the
> AKP's record paint the Court's actions as undemocratic.
> AKP supporters argue that the party represents democracy,
> and they seek to equate any opposition-be it secular, nationalist,
> or judicial-as fascist. This is unfair. Ultra-nationalists who do not abide
> by the law find themselves in court, just as the AKP now does.
> The military has stayed on the sideline, as it should. Declaring its
> support for the constitution in a written statement is not a coup.
>
> Turkey is not alone in holding politicians legally accountable.
> In April 2000, the European Parliament suspended French
> demagogue Jean-Marie Le Pen; soon afterward,
> Austrian politician Jörg Haider also faced sanction.
> The global community does not allow Hamas's popularity among
> the Palestinians to absolve it of responsibilities under international law.
>
> True democracy requires respect for the judicial process.
> Let Erdoðan have his day in court. We should respect the results

> as a sign that Turkey's democracy has matured.
> "

Michael Rubin is right, but I hope you stop with your antisemitism,
arsehole.

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