Can anybody translate this:"Mulan ve Mogollar"?
~{UT@ojE~}Chiew Lee Yih
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#1. Mulan ve Mogollar
PAZAR 07 SUBAT 1999
Zeynep Gögüs (e-posta:zgo...@sabah.com.tr )
Mulan ve Mogollar
Önce Kader anlatti; kizini götürmüs, MHP'lilerin filmi neden protesto
ettiklerini anlayamamis. Walt Disney prodüksiyonu çizgi filmin
hikayesi pek
sirin. Saldiriya ugrayan Çin imparatoru, her aileden bir erkegin
askere
alinmasini emrediyor. Mulan ise bir evin bir kizi, sakat babasi savasa
gitmesin diye erkek kiligina girip orduya katiliyor ve zeki
planlariyla
düsmani yeniyor.
Derken basinda Mulan'la ilgili yazilar çikti. Tartisma internete de
siçrayinca Mulan'a biletimi almak farz olmustu.
***
Gerçekten de cici bir film. Seyreden küçük kizlar o salondan "hayatta
tüm
zorluklari yenebilirim" duygusuyla çikacaklarina göre pek de feminist.
Ancak anlayamadigim, filmin orijinalinde Hun olan düsmanin Türkçeye
çevrilirken neden Mogollastirildigi. Mogollar küçük Türkler'e daha
yakin
diye düsünülmüs herhalde. Filmdeki korkunç "Mogol" komutan, iriyari
bir
Malkaçoglu tiplemesi. Üstelik ne de olsa Türkler'le Mogollar eski
kuzenler...
Filmin orijinalinde, düsmanin Mogol degil de Hun olmasinin sebebi
belli;
kimseyi rencide etmemek. Ne de olsa bugün artik Hunlar diye bir
topluluk
yok. Ama Mogolistan diye bir ülke var. Kaldi ki isi uzatacaksak,
kendilerini Hunlar'in torunu sayan ve bu yüzden Türk dil ailesinde yer
alan
Macarlar'dir asil alinacak olan.
Iyi de bizim Hunlar'la hiç mi alâkamiz yok?
Alâkamiz, önce tabii ki dilimizle var. Çocuklarimiza verdigimiz
Cengiz,
Timuçin, Attila gibi adlarla var. Hun Imparatorlugu'nun devamina
bakarsak,
Türk-Mogol imparatorluklarina geliriz. Sahi kimdi su ünlü Babür Han?
Alâkamiz, dille de sinirli degil; mimarimizle var, yemegimizle var,
sanatlarimizla var... (Ve hatta otomobil kullanma tarzimizla da var,
çünkü
hâlâ bos steplerde ata biner gibi direksiyon salliyoruz).
Bütün bunlari bir çocuk filmini protesto için yazmadigimi anlamis
olmalisiz. Beni hayal kirikligina ugratan, olani biteni tartisma
biçimimiz.
Madem ki MHP'liler karsi çikti, o halde bu filmi sorgulama hakkimiz
yok
diyenler! Biz de güya Batiliyiz, öyle mi? Batili bu konulari böyle
tartismaz: Çizgi roman kahramani Fransiz dilli Belçikali gazeteci
Tenten'in
anti komünistligi ve Afrika halklarina sömürgeci bakisi üzerine
kurulan
polemik yüzünden bugün Fransiz meclisinde kiyamet kopuyor.
***
Mulan'dan önceki Aslan Kral filminde her kötülük aninda gökte bir
hilâl
beliriyordu, belki de asil alinilacak durum buydu, ama fark etmedik
bile.
Simdi artik dogru Mulan'a kosun, sonra da Mc Donalds'a. Her çocuk
mönüsüne
omuzunda kanat çirpan ugursuz kartaliyla bedava bir Mogol oyuncak
veriyorlar.
Sonra da Baris Manço ve Mogollar'dan bir parça dinlersiniz, olur
biter.
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MULAN:
YÖNETMEN: Barry Cook ve Tony Bancroft.
"MULAN",yasli babasinin yüzlestigi aci gerçek karsisinda,bu durumu
kabullenemeyen
cesur bir genç kizin serüvenini anlatan bir tarihi animasyon filmi.
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MULAN (UIP)
Yönetmen: Tony Bancroft, Barry Cook
Türü: Animasyon - Müzikal
Seslendirenler: Ming-na Wen, Lea Salonga, Eddie Murphy, B. Wong
Hunlarin Çin' i istilasi sirasinda, yasli ve hasta babasini Hunlarla
yapilacak olan savasta ölmemesi için korumaya çalisan Çinli bir genç
kiz olan Mulan, gizlice onun yerine geçer ve Çin' in en büyük
kahramanlarindan biri olur.
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~{UT@ojE~}Chiew Lee Yih a écrit dans le message ...
mb
>Thank You!
The translation is exact enough, although not easy to understand even in
Turkish, due to the muddled thinking and confusion in the text -not
untypical of many Turkish, or for that reason also US, newspaper blurbs.
Here goes:
Mulan and the Mongols
Sunday, Feb. 7, 1999
Z. Gogus
Kader told us about it first. He/she took h. daughter to the movie and
couldn't understand why the MHP members (National Movement Party,
Nazi-nationalists) are protesting against it. The Walt Disney production is
cute. Under attack, the Chinese emperor orders that one male from every
family be mobilized in the Army. Mulan, daughter of a household, joins the
army disguised as a man, in order to avoid her father's being drafted.
Thanks to her clever plots the enemy loses the battle.
Really cute movie. Also a strongly feminist one, because the little girls
who watch it will leave the theater thinking "I can overcome all hardships
in life". What I can't understand is why the enemy, the Huns in the
original, were made into Mongols in the Turkish version. Perhaps someone
thought that the Mogols were nearer to the little Turks (sic). The terrible
"Mongol" commander in the movie is a type like Malkacoglu [local reference].
Also, Turks and Mongols are old cousins anyway...
The purpose of having the Huns, and not the Mongols, as the enemy in the
original movie, is clear: to avoid hurting anyone's feelings. In fact, there
isn't a community called the Huns anymore. But there is a country called
Mongolia. If we want to drag this further, the ones who are supposed to feel
offended are the Hungarians, who think of themselves as the offspring of the
Huns and, as a result, take place in the Turkish language family (sic).
Well, don't we have any relationship with the Huns?
We are conected first, naturally, by the language. With the names like
Chingiz, Timuchin, Attila that we bestow on our children. If we look at the
sequel to the Hunnish empire, we reach the Turkish-Mogul empires. Who was
Babur Khan, anyway?
Our connection is not limited to language; it continues in the fields of
architecture, cooking and arts (also in our driving, because we continue to
move the steering wheel as if we were riding in the desert steppes).
I imagine you understood already that I am not writing all this to protest a
childrens' movie. What disappoints me is the way we discuss what happened.
Those who say that because the MHP oppose it we don't have the right to
criticize the movie! We're supposed to be Western[ized], aren't we? Western
people don't discuss things the way we do. All hell is loose now in the
French parliament because the anticommunism and colonialist view of the
African people by the French speaking Belgian hero of cartoons, the
journalist Tintin.
Before Mulan, whenever there was evil in the Lion King a crescent wuld
appear in the sky. Perhaps that really was the time to be offended but we
didn't even take notice.
Now, run to watch Mulan, and then to McDdnald's. With each kid's meal they
give a free toy, a Mongol with his ill-omened eagle, with moving wings, on
his shoulder.
Later you can listen to a song by Baris Manco and the Mongols [music group],
that will complete it.
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nakhi...@my-deja.com
are offspring of satan and huns which means turks double baddddd.isn't
name for turkey in chinese badddddguo?
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"~{UT@ojE~}Chiew Lee Yih" <hancult...@att.net> wrote:
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nakhi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> To paraphrase George Bush: Chinese people goodddd, Huns badddd. turks
> are offspring of satan and huns which means turks double baddddd.isn't
> name for turkey in chinese badddddguo?
your mama.
asshole!
John Woodgate
et> inimitably wrote:
>the ones who are supposed to feel
>offended are the Hungarians, who think of themselves as the offspring of the
>Huns and, as a result, take place in the Turkish language family (sic).
I though Hungarian was of the Finno-Ugric family, not Turkic?
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<j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I though Hungarian was of the Finno-Ugric family, not Turkic?
All three are sub-divisions of the Ural-Altaic family.
Gustav
~{UT@ojE~}Chiew Lee Yih
wrote:
Thanks a lot!
When I started the thread "Disney:"Huns are evil";what would Hungarian
think about this?" 5 days before "Mulan" was shown on American movie
theater, I only posted it in Hungarian group ( news:soc.culture.magyar
) , it turn out that the Hungarian don't care, some even said: "What
is this have to do with Hungarian?", whether this attitude has
something to do with their will to join European Union in the future,
I don't know, but something that surely happen is that after a person
cross post it to news:soc.culture.turkish , there were a lot of Turks
that came out to curse Disney, even Chinese.
This is the link to the whole thread, 225 reply all together:
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This is my original post:
From: hancult...@hotmail.com
Subject: Disney:"Huns are evil";what would Hungarian think about this?
Date: 14 Jun 1998 00:00:00 GMT
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"Mulan" will be the Disney feature cartoon of the year,
the villain in the movie is "evil band of Huns" (direct
quote from Mulan official home page at mulan.com), which
tried to invade through China's great wall, Mulan, the heroine
of the movie, confront the evil Huns and save China.
The movie start on June 19 in US and Canada.
Do Hungarian today still have any emotional ties to the
historical Huns tribes? My guess is not, others wise
Disney won't dare to use the word "EVIL" to describe Huns.
Disney learned, are they?
As I know, some Hungarian are descendent of the Huns and
some are not, what would the reaction of the Huns
descendants to this movie?
Finally, why are there so many Westerners thought Attila
the Hun, Genghis Khaan and Turks in far-ancient time looks
Caucasian, although they were not? What do Hungarian think
about this? Do Hungarian today sweep their Asian origin
under the carpet? Are they proud of Attila the Hun?
How Hungarian text books describe the ancient Huns?
Thank you.
Gustav Horvath
>On 07 Sep 1999 01:31:59 PDT, "mb" <mmbDEL...@concenDELETEtric.net>
>wrote:
>
>Thanks a lot!
>
>When I started the thread "Disney:"Huns are evil";what would Hungarian
>think about this?" 5 days before "Mulan" was shown on American movie
>theater, I only posted it in Hungarian group ( news:soc.culture.magyar
>) , it turn out that the Hungarian don't care, some even said: "What
>is this have to do with Hungarian?", whether this attitude has
>something to do with their will to join European Union in the future,
>I don't know, but something that surely happen is that after a person
>cross post it to news:soc.culture.turkish , there were a lot of Turks
>that came out to curse Disney, even Chinese.
The Hungarians are a rather confused lot these days, no doubt about
it.
Gustav
Golemme
"~{UT@ojE~}Chiew Lee Yih" wrote:
>
> Thank You!
~{UT@ojE~}Chiew Lee Yih
>what language is this in?
>
Modern Turkish.