WAS ATATURK GAY?
so...@indyvax.iupui.edu
French,
Greeks, Aussies, Zealanders, & Italians... Never lost a battle, and
bestowed
upon you clowns yet another typical and humiliating defeat after WW1
with a haggered, practically inequiped Turkish warriors (need I mention
the
5:1 Greek:Turk soldier ratio) and all you can do is say he is gay.
That's pathetic, son...
Oguz
http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
Note: Not only was Zsa Zsa with Ataturk, but she named
a stallion after him, Pasha (General). Need I say more...
so...@indyvax.iupui.edu
> .- <!> so...@indyvax.iupui.edu wrote :
> # You're writing about the man who humiliated the British, Russians, French,
> # Greeks, Aussies, Zealanders, & Italians... Never lost a battle, and bestowed
> # upon you clowns yet another typical and humiliating defeat after WW1
> # with a haggered, practically inequiped Turkish warriors (need I mention the
> # 5:1 Greek:Turk soldier ratio) and all you can do is say he is gay.
> # That's pathetic, son...
>
> Yes well, Jews were always great in battle. Granted, he whooped some
> Greek ass. But do you think that forgives his gay lifestyle and love
> for little children? :-)
>
> # http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
Son, if you want to think in this manner, then "do you think that forgives"
pratically all the ancient Greek warriors who went into battle with a boy
by their side, how about your pottery art with men & boys, and don't forget
the countless thinkers such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle... need I say more?
Oguz
http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
> --
> ___Vasilios_L._Pilarin...@is4.nyu.edu___
> |___________________________"http://www.ml.org/~vpilarin"___| * ROTFL! :-)
bkht
>In article <4kkjlr$o...@news.nyu.edu>, vqp...@is4.nyu.edu (Vasilios L. Pilarinos) writes:
>> .- <!> so...@indyvax.iupui.edu wrote :
>> # You're writing about the man who humiliated the British, Russians, French,
>> # Greeks, Aussies, Zealanders, & Italians... Never lost a battle, and bestowed
>> # upon you clowns yet another typical and humiliating defeat after WW1
>> # with a haggered, practically inequiped Turkish warriors (need I mention the
>> # 5:1 Greek:Turk soldier ratio) and all you can do is say he is gay.
>> # That's pathetic, son...
>>
>> Yes well, Jews were always great in battle. Granted, he whooped some
>> Greek ass. But do you think that forgives his gay lifestyle and love
>> for little children? :-)
>>
>> # http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
>
>Son, if you want to think in this manner, then "do you think that forgives"
>pratically all the ancient Greek warriors who went into battle with a boy
>by their side, how about your pottery art with men & boys, and don't forget
>the countless thinkers such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle... need I say more?
>
Let's not forget the saying 'doing the greek,' which proves that greeks
have once again let their behinds do the offering.
> Oguz
> http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
>
>> --
>> ___Vasilios_L._Pilarin...@is4.nyu.edu___
>> |___________________________"http://www.ml.org/~vpilarin"___| * ROTFL! :-)
>.
>.
Vasilios L. Pilarinos
# # Yes well, Jews were always great in battle. Granted, he whooped some
# # Greek ass. But do you think that forgives his gay lifestyle and love
# # for little children? :-)
#
# Son,
Do I look like a mongol to you? If I did, maybe then you could call me
"son". Needless to say, you only show what an immature and mentally unde-
veloped piece of genetic garbage you are when you use that term.
What's next? "Boy"? Bwahaha.
# if you want to think in this manner, then "do you think that forgives"
# pratically all the ancient Greek warriors who went into battle with a boy
# by their side, how about your pottery art with men & boys, and don't forget
# the countless thinkers such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle... need I say more?
Please do. Do any of the above make Ataturk less of a penis craving
sexual deviant? I'd like to understand your limited reasoning.
# Oguz
# http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
Vasilios L. Pilarinos
# Let's not forget the saying 'doing the greek,' which proves that greeks
# have once again let their behinds do the offering.
It certainly explains why Turkish women flock to Greek men.
Mehmet Gokturk
Pilarinos) wrote:
| .- <!> bkht (BKH...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA) wrote :
| # Let's not forget the saying 'doing the greek,' which proves that greeks
| # have once again let their behinds do the offering.
|
| It certainly explains why Turkish women flock to Greek men.
^^^^^^
men ? come on !
ATA
> .- <!> bkht (BKH...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA) wrote :
> # Let's not forget the saying 'doing the greek,' which proves that greeks
> # have once again let their behinds do the offering.
>
> It certainly explains why Turkish women flock to Greek men.
>
Hey osmos,
Turkish women don't flock to greek men but Turkish men do. You'd liked the
taste of circumcised penis and we loved the taste of greek ass. Find a robust
Turkish student in the campus and try once as your grandfathers tried in Izmir
in our Independance War. You'll never give up sitting on it.
bencls
>In article <1996Apr15.1...@indyvax.iupui.edu> so...@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
>>In article <4kkjlr$o...@news.nyu.edu>, vqp...@is4.nyu.edu (Vasilios L. Pilarinos) writes:
>>> .- <!> so...@indyvax.iupui.edu wrote :
>>> # You're writing about the man who humiliated the British, Russians, French,
>>> # Greeks, Aussies, Zealanders, & Italians... Never lost a battle, and bestowed
>>> # upon you clowns yet another typical and humiliating defeat after WW1
>>> # with a haggered, practically inequiped Turkish warriors (need I mention the
>>> # 5:1 Greek:Turk soldier ratio) and all you can do is say he is gay.
>>> # That's pathetic, son...
>>>
>>> Yes well, Jews were always great in battle. Granted, he whooped some
>>> Greek ass. But do you think that forgives his gay lifestyle and love
>>> for little children? :-)
>>>
>>> # http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
>>
>>Son, if you want to think in this manner, then "do you think that forgives"
>>pratically all the ancient Greek warriors who went into battle with a boy
>>by their side, how about your pottery art with men & boys, and don't forget
>>the countless thinkers such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle... need I say more?
>>
>Let's not forget the saying 'doing the greek,' which proves that greeks
>have once again let their behinds do the offering.
Ever watched midnight express? HEHEHEH lets just leave it at that.
Also I think you'll find that tha ANZACS at Gallipoli killed twice as
many Turks as the Turks did allies.
lets not forget that not a single soldier died when the ANZACS pulled
out, thats b/c the Turks were too stupid to realize what was going on.
Later.....
WRDN
Thank you o psychotic one.
>
>
>
>Later.....
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>.
>.
so...@indyvax.iupui.edu
> bkht <BKH...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> declared to the world at large:
>
>>>pratically all the ancient Greek warriors who went into battle with a boy
>>>by their side, how about your pottery art with men & boys, and don't forget
>>>the countless thinkers such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle... need I say more?
>>>
>
>>Let's not forget the saying 'doing the greek,' which proves that greeks
>>have once again let their behinds do the offering.
>
> Ever watched midnight express? HEHEHEH lets just leave it at that.
Nerdman Bencls,
Congratulations, what do you expect to find in a Greco/Armenian made
propaganda film; like all artists they couldn't resist putting a little
bit of themselves in it now could they?
By the way, that American portrayed in the film denied
any such horrendous events of the film on American television.
Oguz
http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
PS:why don't you go watch the new Robin Williams movie 'birdcage' or something.
I'm sure you'll enjoy the 3 or 4 references to the Greek style.
> Also I think you'll find that tha ANZACS at Gallipoli killed twice as
> many Turks as the Turks did allies.
>
> lets not forget that not a single soldier died when the ANZACS pulled
> out, thats b/c the Turks were too stupid to realize what was going on.
>
>
>
>
>
> Later.....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Tiger7124
the Anzacs pull out in the name of united kingdom then anyways, you stupid
ass.
By the way, I watched Midnight Express. So what? Prisons are always bad,
even here in the US. Get a point, coz you don't have one.
TIGER
Haluk Aydinoglu
|> Yeah ok, Turkish soldiers never gave Anzacs casualties, whatever. Why did
|> the Anzacs pull out in the name of united kingdom then anyways, you stupid
|> ass.
Onemli nokta Ingiliz askerlerinin ne kadar zaiyat verdigi. Gariban Anzaklari
savas alanina surup bozuk para gibi harcamak kolay. Canakkale Savasinin
kazanilmasinin Osmanlilar acisindan hicbir onemi yoktur. Zira savasla
gecemedikleri bogazi cok kisa bir sure sonra hicbir karsilik gormeden gecmistir
Ingilizler. Canakkale Savasinin sonucunun faturasini ise Ruslar odemistir, Musul
petrollerindeki paylarini kaybederek. Ingilizler ise Ortadogu kaynaklarina
baliklama dalmistir. Tabi daha sonra kendi yaptiklari planlarin kurbani olacak
ve Baku petrollerini komunist Ruslara birakacaklardir. Ancak bundan sonra
doguda bir Ermeni ve batida bir Rum devleti kurma planlarindan vazgececeklerdir.
Bunda da elbet Fransizlar ile o donemde dustukleri anlasmazliklarin etkisi
vardir.
|> TIGER
--
Omne ignotum pro magnifico.
Everything is obvious when explained.
Haluk Aydinoglu
DSP Lab, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332
Vasilios L. Pilarinos
# Hey osmos,
# Turkish women don't flock to greek men but Turkish men do. You'd
# liked the taste of circumcised penis and we loved the taste of greek
# ass. Find a robust Turkish student in the campus and try once as your
# grandfathers tried in Izmir in our Independance War. You'll never give
# up sitting on it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Turkish culture? It's good to hear Turkish men find us attractive,
anyway. Must be frustrating that we don't reciprocate, huh? <grin>
Mustafa Soysal MS57
Haluk Aydinoglu <ha...@eedsp.gatech.edu> wrote:
>In article <4l6f0e$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, tige...@aol.com (Tiger7124) writes:
>|> Yeah ok, Turkish soldiers never gave Anzacs casualties, whatever. Why did
>|> the Anzacs pull out in the name of united kingdom then anyways, you stupid
>|> ass.
>
>Onemli nokta Ingiliz askerlerinin ne kadar zaiyat verdigi. Gariban Anzaklari
>savas alanina surup bozuk para gibi harcamak kolay. Canakkale Savasinin
Hop dedik, anzaklarI kimse bozuk para gibi harcamadI, karStIrIyorsun.
Bozuk para gibi harcanan TUrk askerleridir ve komplo sonucu bozuk para
gibi harcanmISlardIr. Ataibne One dUSUp onlarI anzac tuzaklarIna gurup
gurup gOtUrmUStUr ki anzaclar onlarI rahat OldUrebilsin diye.
AnzaclarIn One sUrUlmesi ise Ingiliz Yahudilerinin bu Yahudi Ataibne
plAnIna tam gUvenemeyiSleri nedeniyle. Ne de olsa vaziyeti Cakan
CIkabilirdi...
>kazanilmasinin Osmanlilar acisindan hicbir onemi yoktur. Zira savasla
>gecemedikleri bogazi cok kisa bir sure sonra hicbir karsilik gormeden gecmistir
zaten kazanIlmIS bir savaS yok, katledilmiS Turkler var.
>Ingilizler. Canakkale Savasinin sonucunun faturasini ise Ruslar odemistir, Musul
?? Doesn't follow...
Hakki Kocabas
> >gecemedikleri bogazi cok kisa bir sure sonra hicbir karsilik gormeden gecmistir
350000 insan haybeye olmu$tur, bu donmelerin beceriksizligi
yuzunden...utanmadan bir de $oyle emir verdiklerini soylemekle
ovunmezler mi;-> "Size sava$in emri vermiyorum, Olun diye
emrediyorum!!" boyle zalimden ulusuma ne hayir gelir!
Boyle hesapsiz kitapsiz takimindan ulusuma ne hayir gelir!
Bir de adina Canakkale Zaferi demezler mi;-?! Orada olenlerin
ruhlariyla alay eder gibi;-> Utanmaz arlanmaz herifler;->
I$te bu hesapsizlarin bugunku torunlari da 500 PKK'li pe$ine
30000 asker takmakla ne denli hesap kitap tanimaz olduklarini
kanitlamaya cali$maktadirlar. Askerler sapir, sapir dokulmeye
ba$layinca da;-> "Eeeee napalim, talihsizlik..." demek
yuzsuzlugunu gosterebilirler...Talihsizlik degil!!
Hesapsizlik, Probabilite bilmemek!! Matematik bilmemek!!
I$i kumara dokmek;-> E$kiyayi tenekeden minare sanmak;->>
Yok mu TSK'dan cikip bu olenlerin neden oldugunu matematik
olarak aciklayabilecek bir Kurmay!!
Nerdeeeee, kadeh ve $arap $i$esi arasi talim yapmaktan
matematik ogrenmeye vakit mi var;->
Ben de ne diyorum ATAlarinin izinde olanlar, sava$acak
asker degil, olumu bekleyecek oturan ordek yeti$tirecekler
tabi;->
|-| /-\ |-< |-< |||
>
> zaten kazanIlmIS bir savaS yok, katledilmiS Turkler var.
>
> >Haluk Aydinoglu
bencls
>In article <4l317p$7...@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>, ben...@lux.latrobe.edu.au (bencls) writes:
>> bkht <BKH...@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> declared to the world at large:
>>
>>>>Son, if you want to think in this manner, then "do you think that forgives"
>>>>pratically all the ancient Greek warriors who went into battle with a boy
>>>>by their side, how about your pottery art with men & boys, and don't forget
>>>>the countless thinkers such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle... need I say more?
>>>>
>>
>>>Let's not forget the saying 'doing the greek,' which proves that greeks
>>>have once again let their behinds do the offering.
>>
>> Ever watched midnight express? HEHEHEH lets just leave it at that.
>Nerdman Bencls,
>Congratulations, what do you expect to find in a Greco/Armenian made
>propaganda film; like all artists they couldn't resist putting a little
>bit of themselves in it now could they?
>By the way, that American portrayed in the film denied
>any such horrendous events of the film on American television.
And like an American actor would know. Anyway the lead actor was Greek
dick wad so get a clue with utmost promptness!!
Yes but thats what you say about established historical fact.!!!
Propaganda to you dear fool is endless suffering for the survivors of
one of the greatest slaughters in history. You are guilty simply by
denying it, but look in the mirror and repeat your denials!! I dare
you..:-)
>Oguz
>http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
>PS:why don't you go watch the new Robin Williams movie 'birdcage' or something.
>I'm sure you'll enjoy the 3 or 4 references to the Greek style.
Watch Midnight express fool, and you'll get to see all the little
Turks doing what comes natural to them!!!
>> Also I think you'll find that tha ANZACS at Gallipoli killed twice as
>> many Turks as the Turks did allies.
>>
>> lets not forget that not a single soldier died when the ANZACS pulled
>> out, thats b/c the Turks were too stupid to realize what was going on.
>>
>> Later.....
4 Times as many Turks died at Gallipoli than allies!!
Later..
bencls
>Yeah ok, Turkish soldiers never gave Anzacs casualties, whatever. Why did
>the Anzacs pull out in the name of united kingdom then anyways, you stupid
>ass.
Mainly b/c the English fucked up!! But the Greeks set you straight a
few years later..again we the English changed allegiances halfway
through and the turks were again spared by English stupidity.
But alas Turks, your luck is all but exhausted!!
>By the way, I watched Midnight Express. So what? Prisons are always bad,
>even here in the US. Get a point, coz you don't have one.
No not cause they were in Prison fool, its a customary practice over
there. Its one of the reasons Turkish women throw themselfes at
Greeks, in their search for real men!!
>TIGER
Pussy more like!!
Later..
ATA
Kocabasim okuzum,
Bu konuda got kafaya daha evvel ders vermistim, fakat herhalde isine
gelmediginden benim mail lerimi discard ediyorsun. O koca essek kulaklarini ac
ve iyi dinle.
1- Canakkale Savasi sirasinda ozellikle Ataturk'un komuta ettigi cephede buyuk
carpismalar olmus ve yuzbinlerce Turk genci vatanlari ugruna sehit olmuslardir.
Bu insanlarin canlari ugruna savunduklari cepheler dusse dusman kuvvetleri
Canakkale den girip Ankara'da solugu alirlardi. Yani bu insanlar bu isgali
onlemislerdi. Fakat sana ve got kafaya kalsa bize birsey olmasin mantigi ile
Yeni Zelanda'ya kadar kacardiniz. Zaten oyle de olmus herhalde. Dedelerin asker
kacagi olarak taa NZ a kadar kactiklari icin herhalde sen simdi oradan
havliyorsun. Vatan haini it!
2- Guneydoguda ordunun karsisinda duzenli bir ordu ve cephe yok. Kalabalik bir
capulcu surusu kayalarin arasina, kovuklara saklaniyorlar, askeri gordukleri
anda tetige basiyorlar. Bu cins pusularda bu kadar zayiat olmasi normal.
Turkiye Cumhuriyeti icinde yasayan hicbir insan ise bu durumdan Turk Silahli
Kuvvetlerini sorumlu tutmuyor. Cunku onlar senin gibi serefsiz vatan hainleri
degiller. Senin ve got kafanin bu gibi konularda polemik yapmaya calismaniz ise
ahlaksiz vatan hainleri olmanizdan kaynaklaniyor.
Mustafa Soysal MS57
Bu genCler AtaDOnme tarafIndan bizzat Anzac tuzaklarIna gOtUrUlerek
OldUrUlmUStUr.
>Bu insanlarin canlari ugruna savunduklari cepheler dusse dusman kuvvetleri
>Canakkale den girip Ankara'da solugu alirlardi. Yani bu insanlar bu isgali
Zaten OldUrUlecek kimse kalmayInca Istanbul'da aldIlar soluGu. Daha
sonra da kendi ajanlarI olan AtaDOnmeyi Ankaraya oturtup tepenize bir de
kendi devletlerini kurdular.
>onlemislerdi. Fakat sana ve got kafaya kalsa bize birsey olmasin mantigi ile
>Yeni Zelanda'ya kadar kacardiniz. Zaten oyle de olmus herhalde. Dedelerin asker
>kacagi olarak taa NZ a kadar kactiklari icin herhalde sen simdi oradan
>havliyorsun. Vatan haini it!
>2- Guneydoguda ordunun karsisinda duzenli bir ordu ve cephe yok. Kalabalik bir
>capulcu surusu kayalarin arasina, kovuklara saklaniyorlar, askeri gordukleri
>anda tetige basiyorlar. Bu cins pusularda bu kadar zayiat olmasi normal.
>Turkiye Cumhuriyeti icinde yasayan hicbir insan ise bu durumdan Turk Silahli
>Kuvvetlerini sorumlu tutmuyor. Cunku onlar senin gibi serefsiz vatan hainleri
>degiller. Senin ve got kafanin bu gibi konularda polemik yapmaya calismaniz ise
>ahlaksiz vatan hainleri olmanizdan kaynaklaniyor.
>
BakalIm hain kimmiS...
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* From: az...@yfn.ysu.edu (Hakan Doganer)
* Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
* Subject: M. Kemal confesses his Jewishness
* Date: 16 Mar 1996 11:00:17 GMT
* Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
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* Reply-To: az...@yfn.ysu.edu (Hakan Doganer)
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*
*
*
*
* I am very grateful to both David Davidian and Mustafa Soysal for
* the following article. D. Davidian provided the article to M. Soysal,
* and M. Soysal informed me of the article.
*
*
* **********
*
*
* FORWARD, A Jewish Newspaper published in New York.
*
* January 28, 1994
*
*
* WHEN KEMAL ATATURK RECITED SHEMA YISRAEL
*
* "It's My Secret Prayer, Too," He Confessed
*
* By Hillel Halkin
*
* ZICHRON YAAKOV - There were two questions I wanted to ask, I said
* over the phone to Batya Keinan, spokeswoman for Israeli president Ezer
* Weizman, who was about to leave the next day, Monday, Jan. 24, on the
* first visit ever made to Turkey by a Jewish chief of state. One was
* whether Mr. Weizman would be taking part in an official ceremony
* commemorating Kemal Ataturk.
*
* Ms. Kenan checked the president's itinerary, according to which he
* and his wife would lay a wreath on Ataturk's grave the morning of their
* arrival, and asked what my second question was.
*
* "Does President Weizman know that Ataturk had Jewish ancestors and
* was taught Hebrew prayers as a boy?"
*
* "Of course, of course," she answered as unsurprisedly as if I had
* inquired whether the president was aware that Ataturk was Turkey's
* national hero.
*
*
* Excited and Distressed
*
* I thanked her and hung up. A few minutes later it occurred to me to
* call back and ask whether President Weizman intended to make any reference
* while in Turkey to Ataturk's Jewish antecedents. "I'm so glad you called
* again," said Ms. Kenan, who now sounded excited and a bit distressed.
* "Exactly where did you get your information from?"
*
* Why was she asking, I countered, if the president's office had it too?
*
* Because it did not, she confessed. She had only assumed that it must
* because I had sounded so matter-of-fact myself. "After you hung up," she
* said, "I mentioned what you told me and nobody here knows anything about
* it. Could you please fax us what you know?"
*
* I faxed her a short version of it. Here is a longer one.
*
* Stories about the Jewishness of Ataturk, whose statue stands in the
* main square of every town and city in Turkey, already circulated in his
* lifetime but were denied by him and his family and never taken seriously
* by biographers. Of six biographies of him that I consulted this week,
* none even mentions such a speculation. The only scholarly reference to it
* in print that I could find was in the entry on Ataturk in the Israeli
* Entsiklopedya ha-Ivrit, which begins:
*
* "Mustafa Kemal Ataturk - (1881-1938), Turkish general and statesman
* and founder of the modern Turkish state.
*
* "Mustafa Kemal was born to the family of a minor customs clerk in
* Salonika and lost his father when he was young. There is no proof of the
* belief, widespread among both Jews and Muslims in Turkey, that his family
* came from the Doenme. As a boy he rebelled against his mother's desire to
* give him a traditional religious education, and at the age of 12 he was
* sent at his demand to study in a military academy."
*
*
* Secular Father
*
* The Doenme were an underground sect of Sabbetaians, Turkish Jews who
* took Muslim names and outwardly behaved like Muslims but secretly
* believed in Sabbetai Zevi, the 17th-century false messiah, and conducted
* carefully guarded prayers and rituals in his name. The encyclopedia's
* version of Ataturk's education, however, is somewhat at variance with his
* own. Here is his account of it as quoted by his biographers:
*
* "My father was a man of liberal views, rather hostile to religion, and
* a partisan of Western ideas. He would have preferred to see me go to a
* lay school, which did not found its teaching on the Koran but on modern
* science.
*
* "In this battle of consciences, my father managed to gain the victory
* after a small maneuver; he pretended to give in to my mother's wishes,
* and arranged that I should enter the [Islamic] school of Fatma Molla
* Kadin with the traditional ceremony. ...
*
* "Six months later, more or less, my father quietly withdrew me from
* the school and took me to that of old Shemsi Effendi who directed a free
* preparatory school according to European methods. My mother made no
* objection, since her desires had been complied with and her conventions
* respected. It was the ceremony above all which had satisfied her."
*
* Who was Mustafa Kemal's father, who behaved here in typical Doenme
* fashion, outwardly observing Muslim ceremonies while inwardly scoffing at
* them? Ataturk's mother Zubeyde came from the mountains west of Salonika,
* close to the current Albanian frontier; of the origins of his father, Ali
* Riza, little is known. Different writers have given them as Albanian,
* Anatolian and Salonikan, and Lord Kinross' compendious 1964 "Ataturk"
* calls Ali Riza a "shadowy personality" and adds cryptically regarding
* Ataturk's reluctance to disclose more about his family background: "To
* the child of so mixed an environment it would seldom occur, wherever his
* racial loyalties lay, to inquire too exactly into his personal origins
* beyond that of his parentage."
*
*
* Learning Hebrew
*
* Did Kinross suspect more than he was admitting? I would never have
* asked had I not recently come across a remarkable chapter while browsing
* in the out-of-print Hebrew autobiography of Itamar Ben-Avi, son of
* Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, the leading promoter of the revival of spoken Hebrew
* in late 19th-century Palestine. Ben-Avi, the first child to be raised in
* Hebrew since ancient times and later a Hebrew journalist and newspaper
* publisher, writes in this book of walking into the Kamenitz Hotel in
* Jerusalem one autumn night in 1911 and being asked by its proprietor:
* " 'Do you see that Turkish officer sitting there in the corner, the one
* with the bottle of arrack?' "
*
* " 'Yes.' "
*
* " 'He's one of the most important officers in the Turkish army.' "
*
* " 'What's his name?' "
*
* " 'Mustafa Kemal.' "
*
* " 'I'd like to meet him,' I said, because the minute I looked at him
* I was startled by his piercing green eyes."
*
* Ben-Avi describes two meetings with Mustafa Kemal, who had not yet
* taken the name of Ataturk, 'Father of the Turks.' Both were conducted in
* French, were largely devoted to Ottoman politics, and were doused with
* large amounts of arrack. In the first of these, Kemal confided:
*
* "I'm a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an
* ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in
* this country would do well to join his camp."
*
* During their second meeting, held 10 days later in the same hotel,
* Mustafa Kemal said at one point:
*
* " 'I have at home a Hebrew Bible printed in Venice. It's rather old,
* and I remember my father bringing me to a Karaite teacher who taught me
* to read it. I can still remember a few words of it, such as --' "
*
* And Ben-Avi continues:
*
* "He paused for a moment, his eyes searching for something in space.
* Then he recalled:
*
* " 'Shema Yisra'el, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Ehad!'
*
* " 'That's our most important prayer, Captain.'
*
* " 'And my secret prayer too, cher monsieur,' he replied, refilling our
* glasses."
*
* Although Itamar Ben-Avi could not have known it, Ataturk no doubt
* meant "secret prayer" quite literally. Among the esoteric prayers of the
* Doenme, first made known to the scholarly world when a book of them
* reached the National Library in Jerusalem in 1935, is one containing the
* confession of faith:
*
* "Sabbetai Zevi and none other is the true Messiah. Hear O Israel, the
* Lord our God, the Lord is one."
*
* It was undoubtedly from this credo, rather than from the Bible, that
* Ataturk remembered the words of the Shema, which to the best of my
* knowledge he confessed knowing but once in his adult life: to a young
* Hebrew journalist whom he engaged in two tipsily animated conversations
* in Jerusalem nearly a decade before he took control of the Turkish army
* after its disastrous defeat in World War I, beat back the invading Greeks
* and founded a secular Turkish republic in which Islam was banished - once
* and for all, so he thought - to the mosques.
*
* Ataturk would have had good reasons for concealing his Doenme origins.
* Not only were the Doenmes (who married only among themselves and numbered
* close to 15,000, largely concentrated in Salonika, on the eve of World
* War I) looked down on as heretics by both Muslims and Jews, they had a
* reputation for sexual profligacy that could hardly have been flattering
* to their offspring. This license, which was theologically justified by
* the claim that it reflected the faithful's freedom from the biblical
* commandments under the new dispensation of Sabbetai Zevi, is described by
* Ezer Weizman's predecessor, Israel's second president, Yitzchak Ben-Zvi,
* in his book on lost Jewish communities, "The Exiled and the Redeemed":
*
*
* 'Saintly Offspring
*
* "Once a year [during the Doenmes' annual 'Sheep holiday'] the candles
* are put out in the course of a dinner which is attended by orgies and the
* ceremony of the exchange of wives. ... The rite is practiced on the night
* of Sabbetai Zevi's traditional bithday. ... It is believed that children
* born of such unions are regarded as saintly."
*
* Although Ben-Zvi, writing in the 1950s, thought that "There is reason
* to believe that this ceremony has not been entirely abandoned and
* continues to this day," little is known about whether any of the Doenmes'
* traditional practices or social structures still survive in modern
* Turkey. The community abandoned Salonika along with the city's other
* Turkish residents during the Greco-Turkish war of 1920-21, and its
* descendants, many of whom are said to be wealthy businessmen and
* merchants in Istanbul, are generally thought to have assimilated totally
* into Turkish life.
*
* After sending my fax to Batya Keinan, I phoned to check that she had
* received it. She had indeed, she said, and would see to it that the
* president was given it to read on his flight to Ankara. It is doubtful,
* however, whether Mr. Weizman will allude to it during his visit: The
* Turkish government, which for years has been fending off Muslim
* fundamentalist assaults on its legitimacy and on the secular reforms of
* Ataturk, has little reason to welcome the news that the father of the
* 'Father of the Turks' was a crypto-Jew who passed on his anti-Muslim
* sentiments to his son. Mustafa Kemal's secret is no doubt one that it
* would prefer to continue to be kept.
*
*
* *****
*
*
* Ayni hususa Abdurrahman Dilipak soyle temas ediyor:
*
*
* Cumhuriyete Giden Yol
* Abdurrahman Dilipak
* 1991, s. 13-14
*
* UluG iGdemir "Ataturk'un Yasami" ni konu aldigi kitabinin 1. cildinin
* 23. sayfasinda Mustafa Kemal'in 1911'de Libya'ya giderken Kudus'e
* ugradigindan bahisle su hatiraya yer vermektedir: "8 Eylul 1911'de
* Istanbul'dan yola cikan Mustafa Kemal, 19 Ekim'de Iskenderiye'ye
* vardi. Bu yolculuk esnasinda Mustafa Kemal'in Kudus'e de ugradigi ve
* orada Ibrani dilini yeniden konusma dili haline getirme cabasi icinde
* bulunan ve Ibranice'nin Buyuk Sozlugu'nu meydana getiren Elizar-Ben Yehuda
* ile gorustugu anlasiliyor."
*
* Adi gecen eserde, Mustafa Kemal'in o zamanlar Yehuda'ya "Ibrani yazisinin
* guc bir yazi oldugunu, bunun yerine Latin harflerini kabul etmelerinin
* yerinde olacagini, eger kendisi Turkiye'de soz sahibi olursa Arap harfleri
* yerine Latin harflerini kabul ettirmeye calisacagini" soylediginden
* bahsedilmektedir.
* .....
* Elizar-Ben Yehuda'nin oglu itamar Ben-Avi hatiralarinda uzun uzun
* Mustafa Kemal'le babasinin ve kendisinin tanismasi ve konusmalarindan
* sozeder. Ben-Avi'ye Mustafa Kemal o zaman ilgilendigi konulari ve
* planlarini anlatir. Hatta Kudus'de bir otel odasinda bu yahudi ile
* konusurken onlara Enver ve Cemal Pasalara olan guvensizliginden
* sozetmektedir. itamar Ben-Avi, Mustafa Kemal'le tanisip konustuktan sonra
* "Turkiye icin daha guzel bir istikbal umutlarinin kapisinin acildigini ve
* Mustafa Kemal'in anlattiklarina, bir Osmanli tebasi olarak kendisinin de
* yurekten katildigini" ifade eder.
*
* Kudus'den Ingilizlerin haberi olmadan gizlice Iskenderiye'ye gecerken
* yaptigi bu gorusmelerin Yahudiler tarafindan Ingilizlere ulastirilmis
* olmasi gerekir. Ancak bu konudaki Ingiliz belgeleri henuz acik olmadigi
* icin fazla bir bilgiye sahip degiliz !
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> so...@indyvax.iupui.edu declared to the world at large:
>
>>In article <4l317p$7...@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>, ben...@lux.latrobe.edu wrote.
>>> Ever watched midnight express? HEHEHEH lets just leave it at that.
>
>>Nerdman Bencls,
>>Congratulations, what do you expect to find in a Greco/Armenian made
>>propaganda film; like all artists they couldn't resist putting a little
>>bit of themselves in it now could they?
>>By the way, that American portrayed in the film denied
>>any such horrendous events of the film on American television.
> And like an American actor would know. Anyway the lead actor was Greek
Dumbass, the sentence reads "...American portrayed in the film..."
What does that mean? It means the actual American that the film was about.
Not the pig actor that portrayed the American, dipshit.
> dick wad so get a clue with utmost promptness!!
>
> Yes but thats what you say about established historical fact.!!!
> Propaganda to you dear fool is endless suffering for the survivors of
> one of the greatest slaughters in history. You are guilty simply by
What the hell are you talking about? Just go watch/hear the gay Greek
references in the "birdcage" movie and shut the fuck up...
> denying it, but look in the mirror and repeat your denials!! I dare
> you..:-)
A faggot Greek is daring his eternal master. You must be of the young
generation. You know it's been 22 years since we kicked your ass, so your
itching for more. History keeps repeating itself but just wait your time will
come as well.
Oguz
http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
>
>>Oguz
>>http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
>>PS:why don't you go watch the new Robin Williams movie 'birdcage' or something.
>>I'm sure you'll enjoy the 3 or 4 references to the Greek style.
>
> Watch Midnight express fool, and you'll get to see all the little
> Turks doing what comes natural to them!!!
No dumbass, your bastard fathers made the movie so they could enjoy themselves
in public and divert the attention on us.
Hakki Kocabas
O olenler ATA'nizin ve de o siralarda yonetimde coreklenmi$
olan siz donmelerin hesapsizligi yuzunden olmu$tur...
Beceriksiz herifler!!
> Bu insanlarin canlari ugruna savunduklari cepheler dusse dusman kuvvetleri
> Canakkale den girip Ankara'da solugu alirlardi. Yani bu insanlar bu isgali
Hehhh..heee...Ankara'da solugu alirlarmi$;-)))
Donmenin Turkiye haritasindan ve de yakin tarihinden haberi yok
bana tarih ogretmeye kalkmaz mi;-??!! Hehhh..heeee...
> onlemislerdi. Fakat sana ve got kafaya kalsa bize birsey olmasin mantigi ile
Hehhh..heee..."bize bir$ey olmasin" ;-))))
diyen ben degilim sizin kurmaylarinizin anon agzi;->
Dediler ki;-> "27 ki$inin olumu talihsizliktir"
Hesapsiz yapilan harekatlarda bize bir$ey olmami$sa
talihliyiz demektir;-))))
> havliyorsun. Vatan haini it!
Vatan haini hesapsiz kitapsiz turk cocuklarini sava$a degil
olume suren babandir - ATAndir!
> 2- Guneydoguda ordunun karsisinda duzenli bir ordu ve cephe yok. Kalabalik bir
> capulcu surusu kayalarin arasina, kovuklara saklaniyorlar, askeri gordukleri
> anda tetige basiyorlar. Bu cins pusularda bu kadar zayiat olmasi normal.
Yok yaaaa!!! kovuklara saklaniyorlarmi$;-))
O olenler kovuklara saklanan e$kiyanin tetigi basmasindan
degil "TALIHSIZLIKTEN" gitmedi mi?
Hangi birinize inanalim Loyn? Hangi birinize, Genelkurmayin
anondan sozcusune mi sen psikopatin kuruntularina mi?
> Turkiye Cumhuriyeti icinde yasayan hicbir insan ise bu durumdan Turk Silahli
Hehh..heee...TSK'nin anon yetkislisi dedi ki;->
"27 ki$inin olumu talihsizliktir"
Halbuki hesap bilen bir kurmay cikip diyebilirdi ki;->
"27 ki$ilik zayiat $oyle, $oyle hesapsizliklar yuzunden
$oyle, $oyle olmu$tur!!, hesapsizlar hesap vermek uzere
merkeze alinmi$tir!"
Fakat nerde boyle hesap, kitap bilen kurmay?
Kurmay olupda hesap bilmemek $erefsizlik degildir;-))
> Kuvvetlerini sorumlu tutmuyor. Cunku onlar senin gibi serefsiz vatan hainleri
> degiller. Senin ve got kafanin bu gibi konularda polemik yapmaya calismaniz ise
> ahlaksiz vatan hainleri olmanizdan kaynaklaniyor.
>
Kurmay olupta hesap, kitap bilmeden turk cocuklarini olume
itmek sence nedir?
Bildim;-> TALIHSIZLIK!!!
Tombalaaaaaaaaa!!!
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not: Hehhh..heeee...belki ben ahlaksiz, $erefsiz, vatan hainiyim ama
hesap, kitap bilmeyen bu cehaletiyle _talihe_ dayanip turk
cocuklarini olume surukleyen kurmay da degilim.
Allah'a $ukuuuuur, yoksa ben bu canlarin hesabini ahirette
nasil verirdim?
Hakki Kocabas
> 2- Guneydoguda ordunun karsisinda duzenli bir ordu ve cephe yok. Kalabalik bir
> capulcu surusu kayalarin arasina, kovuklara saklaniyorlar, askeri gordukleri
> anda tetige basiyorlar. Bu cins pusularda bu kadar zayiat olmasi normal.
Hehhh..heee...hele bir sorumlu tutsunlar bakiiiiim;-))))
Kim sorumlu tutabilecek saniyorsun hesapsizlarin destegiyle
ayakta duranlar mi?
Benim gibi vatan hainlerinden (?!) ba$ka kimin gucu yeter
27 kisinin olumunu _TALIH_'e baglayanlardan hesap sormaya!
Hadi sen soyle, kim bundan TSK'yi sorumlu tutup sorgulayabilir?
KIM?
Ben i$te bu sorgulamayi yapip hesapsizliklari, kitapsizliklari
ortaya cikarmak icin vatana hiyaneti bile goze aliyoru;->>>
Hehhhh...heeee...Vatan Haini Hakki Kocaba$!!!
Hurrrraaaaaa!!! Vurun Kahpeye!!!!
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> ahlaksiz vatan hainleri olmanizdan kaynaklaniyor.
>
Kimin vatan haini oldugunu ATA'na sor ATA'na!!
BEDIS
denir.Eger fare gotun yiyorsa gel TURKIYE topraklarinda Ataturk 'e o lafi
soyle.O zaman kelimenin tam anlamiyla ibne olursun once senin gotunu tum
vatanseverler duter sonrada DGM de cop yersin.
Cumhur Pulic
Hakki Kocabas (ha...@kcbbs.gen.nz) wrote:
: 350000 insan haybeye olmu$tur, bu donmelerin beceriksizligi
: |-| /-\ |-< |-< |||
: > zaten kazanIlmIS bir savaS yok, katledilmiS Turkler var.
: > >Haluk Aydinoglu
$u bogaz harbi nedir? Var mI ki dunyada e$i?
En kesif ordularIn yukleniyor dordu be$i,
-Tepeden yol bularak gecmek icin Marmara'ya-
Kac donanmayla sarIlmI$ ufacIk bir karaya.
Ne hayasIzca taha$$ud ki ufuklar kapalI!
Nerde -gosterdigi vah$etle "bu, bir AvrupalI"
Dedirir - yIrtIcI, his yoksulu, sIrtlan kumesi,
Varsa gelmi$, acIlIp mahpesi, yahud kafesi!
Eski Dunya, Yeni Dunya, butun akvam-I be$er,
KaynIyor kum gibi... Mah$er mi, hakikat mah$er.
Yedi iklimi cihanIn duruyor kar$Inda;
Ostralya'yla beraber bakIyorsun: Kanada!
Cehreler ba$ka, lisanlar, deriler rengarenk;
Sade bir hadise var ortada: Vah$etler denk.
Kimi hindu, kimi yamyam, kimi bilmem ne bela...
Hani, tauna da zuldur bu rezil istila!
Ah o yirminci asIr yok mu, o mahluk-u asil,
Ne kadar gozdesi mevcud ise hakkiyle sefil,
Kustu Mehmetcigin aylarca durup kar$IsIna;
Doktu karnIndaki esrarI hayasIzcasIna.
Maske yIrtIlmasa hala bize afetti o yuz...
Medeniyyet denilen kahpe, hakikat yuzsuz.
Sonra mel'undaki tahribe muvekkle esbab,
Oyle muthi$ ki: eder her biri bir mulku harab.
Oteden saikalar parcalIyor afakI;
Beriden zelzeleler kaldIrIyor a'makI;
Bomba $im$ekleri beyninden inip her siperin:
Sonuyor gogsunun ustunde o arslan neferin.
Yerin altInda cehennem gibi binlerce lagam;
AtIlan her lagamIn yaktIgI yuzlerce adam.
Olum indirmede gokler, olu puskurmede yer;
O ne muthi$ tipidir: savrulur enkaz-I be$er...
Kafa, goz, govde, bacak, kol, cene, parmak, el, ayak;
Bo$anIr sIrtlara, vadilere, sagnak sagnak.
SacIyor zIrha burunmu$ de o namerd eller,
YIldIrIm yaylImI tufanlar, alevden seller.
Veriyor yangInI, durmu$ da acIk sinelere,
Suru halinde gezerken sayIsIz tayyare.
Top tufekten daha sIk, gulle yagan mermiler...
Kahraman orduyu seyret ki bu tehdide guler!
Ne celik tabyalar ister, ne siner hasmIndan;
AlInIr kal'a mI gogsundeki kat kat iman?
Hangi kuvvet onu, ha$a edecek kahrIna ram?
Cunku te'sis-i ilahi o metin istihkam.
SarIlIr, indirilir mevk-i mustahkemler,
Be$erin azmini tevkif edemez sun'-u be$er;
Bu goguslerse Huda'nIn ebedi serhaddi;
"O benim sun'-u bediim, onu cignetme!" dedi.
AsIm'In nesli... diyordum ya... nesilmi$ gercek;
i$te cignetmedi namusunu, cignetmeyecek.
$uheda gogdesi, bir baksana, daglar, ta$lar...
O, ruku olmasa, dunyada egilmez ba$lar,
Vurulup tertemiz anlIndan uzanmI$ yatIyor;
Bir hilal ugruna ya Rab, ne gune$ler batIyor!
Ey, bu topraklar icin topraga du$mu$, asker!
Gokten ecdad inerek opse o pak alnI deger.
Ne buyuksun ki kanIn kurtarIyor Tevhid'i...
Bedr'in arslanlarI ancak, bu kadar $anlI idi...
Sana dar gelmeyecek makberi kimler kazsIn?
"Gomelim gel seni tarihe!" desem sIgmazsIn.
Herc u merc ettigin edvara da yetmez o kitab...
Seni ancak ebediyyetler eder istiab.
"Bu, ta$IndIr" diyerek Kabe'yi diksem ba$Ina;
Ruhumun vahyini duysam da gecirsem ta$Ina;
Sonra gok kubbeyi alsam da, rida namiyle,
Kanayan lahdine ceksem butun ecramiyle;
Ebr-i nisanI acIk turbene catsam da tavan,
Yedi kandilli Sureyya'ya uzatsam oradan;
Sen bu avizenin altInda, burunmu$ kanIna,
UzanIrken, gece mehtabI getirsem yanIna,
TurbedarIn gibi ta fecre kadar bekletsem;
Gunduzun fecr ile avizeni lebriz etsem;
Tullenen magribi, ak$amlarI, sarsam yarana...
Yine bir $ey yapabildim diyemem hatIrIna.
Sen ki, son ehl-i salibin kIrarak savletini;
$arkIn en sevgili sultanI Salahaddin'i,
KIlIc Arslan gibi iclalilne ettin hayran..
Sen ki, islamI ku$atmI$, boguyorken husran,
O demir cemberi gogsunde kIrIp parcaladIn;
Sen ki, ruhunla beraber gezer ecramI adIn;
Sen ki, asra gomulsen ta$acaksIn... Heyhat!
Sana gelmez bu ufuklar, seni almaz bu cihat...
Ey $ehid oglu $ehid, isteme benden makber,
Sana agu$unu acmI$ duruyor Peygamber.
Mehmet Akif ERSOY
Cumhur Pulic
ATA
ha...@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) wrote:
>O olenler ATA'nizin ve de o siralarda yonetimde coreklenmi$
>olan siz donmelerin hesapsizligi yuzunden olmu$tur...
>Beceriksiz herifler!!
>
Sana kalsa ne yapilmaliydi soyler misin? Bir tane sana gore gercek!!! musluman
cepheye dikilerek bir baska gercek!!! muslumanin komutasi altinda 500000 dusman
askerini durdurup denize mi dokerdi? Ama seni yazdigin salakliklardan
tanidigima gore cepheyi bosaltalim, dusman iceri kadar girsin, belki bize
yardim edip seriatci bir duzen kurariz dusuncesini tasidigindan eminim. cunku
sen salaksin.
>
>Hehhh..heee...Ankara'da solugu alirlarmi$;-)))
>Donmenin Turkiye haritasindan ve de yakin tarihinden haberi yok
>bana tarih ogretmeye kalkmaz mi;-??!! Hehhh..heeee...
>
Bu ne aptal bir yanit? Turkiye haritasi ve yakin tarih ile ne alaka? Sen
herhalde NZ tarihi ditecektin yanlis oldu. Bunu herhalde afyonlu iken yazdin.
Donme de senin gibi vatan hainlerine denir.
>
>Hehhh..heee..."bize bir$ey olmasin" ;-))))
>diyen ben degilim sizin kurmaylarinizin anon agzi;->
>Dediler ki;-> "27 ki$inin olumu talihsizliktir"
>Hesapsiz yapilan harekatlarda bize bir$ey olmami$sa
>talihliyiz demektir;-))))
>
Ne deseydi? Oh iyi oldu mu diyecekti?
>
>Vatan haini hesapsiz kitapsiz turk cocuklarini sava$a degil
>olume suren babandir - ATAndir!
>
Vatan haini degilsen niye Turkiye'den kactin? Benim babam serefli bir insandir.
Atam'in ise vatanseverligini senin gibi kacak bir picle tartismak ise sadece
komik.
>
>Yok yaaaa!!! kovuklara saklaniyorlarmi$;-))
>O olenler kovuklara saklanan e$kiyanin tetigi basmasindan
>degil "TALIHSIZLIKTEN" gitmedi mi?
>Hangi birinize inanalim Loyn? Hangi birinize, Genelkurmayin
>anondan sozcusune mi sen psikopatin kuruntularina mi?
>
>
Talihsizlik o sehitlerin orada pusuya dusmesi amcik kafa. Bu arada Turkce mize
yeni bir kelime mi icat ettin? anon!!!!
>
>not: Hehhh..heeee...belki ben ahlaksiz, $erefsiz, vatan hainiyim ama
> hesap, kitap bilmeyen bu cehaletiyle _talihe_ dayanip turk
> cocuklarini olume surukleyen kurmay da degilim.
> Allah'a $ukuuuuur, yoksa ben bu canlarin hesabini ahirette
> nasil verirdim?
Belki degil oylesin, kactigi delikten havlayan bir itsin. Hesabi vermen de o
kadar kolay olmayacak.
ATA
senin de gucun yetmez, kacak pic. Atamin ismini de o pis agzina alma.
HaMdI oGuT
On 24 Apr 1996, Cumhur Pulic wrote:
Cumhur pilic,
Boyle siirleri senin agzina yakismaz. Niye mi?, kafan onada basmaz ama
bir deneyelim.
Gectigin bu siiri bir basindan birde sonundan siksan ortada sadece bir
sey kalir o da
"Kelime-i tevhid"
Kelime-i tevhidin ne demek oldugunuda sen kavrayamazsin, cunku senin
kararmis kalbin onu alacak kudreti kendinde bulmaz.
-=-=-=-=-=-
Hakki Kocabas
> sen salaksin.
>
> Talihsizlik o sehitlerin orada pusuya dusmesi amcik kafa. Bu arada Turkce mize
Hehhh...heee..."amcik" diyerek benim kafami alcaltacagini
saniyorsan, butun kadinlar adina senin kafamdan firlama
oldugunu gururla soyliyebilirim;-))))
"talihsizlik" masalina gelinceeeeee, beceriksizlik ve hesapsizligin
donmecesi talihsizlik olmali;-)))) Hesap, kitap bilen kurmay
"talihsizlik"'ten soz etmez, matematikten uygulama bir gramerle
olanlari apacik ulusuma anlatir. Ulusumun caninin yandigi bir
anda ona "talih" maslallari okumaz!!
> yeni bir kelime mi icat ettin? anon!!!!
Hehhh...heee...Net'te yeni oldugun nasilda belli;-)))
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Hakki Kocabas
In message <<4lliq5$t...@otis.netspace.net.au>> cum...@netspace.net.au writes:
>
>
>
> >Hakki Kocabas (ha...@kcbbs.gen.nz) wrote:
>
> >: 350000 insan haybeye olmu$tur, bu donmelerin beceriksizligi
> >: |-| /-\ |-< |-< |||
>
> >: > zaten kazanIlmIS bir savaS yok, katledilmiS Turkler var.
> >: > >Haluk Aydinoglu
>
>
>
avucunu acip bekliyor olmasi Kitabimizda yazmiyor.
Eger Peygamberimiz avucunu acmi$sa, o da "Hay Allah
size verdigi akli kullanmak nasip
etsin!" diyedir.
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>
> Mehmet Akif ERSOY
>
Hakan Doganer
In a previous article, ha...@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) says:
>> sen salaksin.
>>
>> Talihsizlik o sehitlerin orada pusuya dusmesi amcik kafa. Bu arada Turkce mize
Peki buna gore TSK cok sayida PKK'li oldurdugunde bu da talih eseri mi
oluyor, yoksa TSK'nin plan program hesap kitap yapmasi neticesi mi
oluyor?
Yine buna gore Kemal'in kazandigini iddia ettiginiz savaslari
Kemal talihlilik eseri mi kazanmis oluyor?.. Kaybetmek talihsizlik
oluyorsa, kazanmak niye talihlilik olmasin?
AHMET GUL (BOZKURT)
KALBI TEMIZ OLANA BAK ISI GUCU BASKASINA CAMUR ATMAK
MITHAT
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Subject: Re: 1,500,000 ARMENIANS SAID TO HAVE PERISHED
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In article <4m4s6u$k...@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU>, d...@urartu.sdpa.org (David
Davidian) writes:
>
>In article <4m1itb$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> mit...@aol.com (MITHAT
ADSIZ)
>responded to article <4m15fv$7...@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU>,
d...@urartu.sdpa.org
>(David Davidian) and wrote:
>
>[ADSIZ] Since last year I am waiting for the name list of this 1.5m
perished
>[ADSIZ] Armenians.. So far nothing..I will start believing that you know
you
>[ADSIZ] will run out names very quickly if you start one..Is that why
>[ADSIZ] Mesrobian and Zohrab's idea about compiling a list did not take
root?
>
>[DD] The names will be made available when required. You would call them
fake
>
>[DD] anyway! In any case, there is a right time and place for everything.
>
>[ADSIZ] I require it now.
>
>What is your official capacity?
(M) What is yours? You demand reparations, you make claims about numbers,
about events (not a single real document to date), what is your official
capacity?
>
>[ADSIZ] Since for the last 100 years you feel free to complain about the
>[ADSIZ] imaginary wrongs Turks may have caused you it is your
responsibility
>[ADSIZ] to produce the evidence. As a descendant of people you are
>slandering,
>[ADSIZ] I have every right to know for what I am blamed. I demand the
names
>of
>[ADSIZ] 1.5 million Armenians you claim to have been massacred. I also
demand
>
>[ADSIZ] the birth date, father name, mother name, street address, copy of
>[ADSIZ] birth certificate, baptismal papers, marriage certificate etc.
Not a
>
>[ADSIZ] name less, all 1.5 million I demand will be cross checked with
the
>[ADSIZ] records of Ottoman Empire as well as the records of the Armenian
>[ADSIZ] Patriarchate for the time period. That is why you providing fake
>names
>[ADSIZ] wouldn't do you any good. The Ottomans were very neat record
keepers
>as
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>[ADSIZ] you may well know.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>The Ottoman's had crappy records. The Ottoman archives have been cleansed
of
>such information you claim exists! You are a fraud -- in fact -- you
don't
>even use your real name in this forum yet you expect me to provide you
the
>names of exterminated Armenians. You sir, need a new bus to bark at!
(M) Of course you call them 'crappy' since they refute everything you
claim! However, your word -believe it or not Davit- in the historical
circles is not accepted as evidence, truth. You know obviously nothing
about the Ottoman archives but that is nothing new. Your fellow Armenian
Andonian, who should have known better, made terrible stupid mistakes in
his 'documents' called "Talat Pasa Telegrams'. The historians find the
Ottoman archives quite meticulous and the record keeping is such that you
cannot 'cleanse' them.
I am as farud as you are Davit. I don't use my real name, because my
family and I have been threatened by the Armenian thugs. And you know what
happened to people and their families who did not take these threats
seriously: Killed by Armenian terrorists, Armenian gunmen, in cold blood
I demand the names Davidian. I am a descendant of the people you are
accusing of 'genocide'.
I say there was no genocide.
Therefore I demand you to provide us with the evidence, not fakes, not
paid fors, not yars...I want the names, birt certificvates, baptismal
certificates, church records, marriage certificates, addresses, their
mothers names, their fathers names...all of it..all oneandahalfmillion you
claim and I say BULLSHIT!
I demand the names Davidian!
>
>[DD] I don't beg! In fact, I have never spent even a second lobbying! I
don't
>[DD] need
>
>[ADSIZ] Oh come on Gagko, you do. You live off on the tears of people.
>
>False and non-sequitur.
(M) Didn't they increase your budget this year?
>
>[DD] to because I fight my own battles -- just as I am doing now! And
yes,
>the
>[DD] mountain of skulls is clearly not Der Zor in 1915, but the 400 tons
of
>[DD] Armenian bones the Republic of Turkey sold via France is not a
Russian
>[DD] painting!
>
>[ADSIZ] How do we know? Armenians claimed for years that the said Russian
>[ADSIZ] painting was depicting the skulls of Armenians murdered by Turks!
Do
>[ADSIZ] you have a record of shipment, invoice, etc. for these bones or
it
>your
>[ADSIZ] claim once again based on a paid for article by Armenians?
>
>Some Armenians dedicated that Russian painting to the victims of the
Turkish
>genocide of the Armenians. If there was some publisher who added that
>painting
>to an inaccurate description, it does not diminish the extent of the
murder
>of
>the Armenian people. Regarding the 400 tons of bones Turkey tried to sell
>Europe, it has been posted on UseNet for several years and I haven't seen
it
>refuted by the Turkish government.
(M) Some Armenians? Not so fast Davidian! Let me put the record straight:
There was a publication titled "The Massacre of Armenians", by Ismail
Ra'in, Emir Kebir Publishing House, Tehran, Iran, in 1979. In page 151
there was a photograph of a huge pile of skulls in a bleak environment.
The caption in persion said : "the skulls of Armenians massacred in the
year 1917". This photographs of mountain of skulls were not published once
, but even twice in the book. This publication and this photograph was
distributed widely by Armenians. A certain "Committee for Support to Max
Hrair Kilnjian" based in Marseille, France, printed cards for
distribution, on one side of which appears the same picture.. Further, the
daily Nova Svetline, dated April 23, 1985, of Bulgaria, published an
article, entitled "Tragic Memories" (Tragichni Spomeni) and signed by an
Armenian, M. Sofian. it repreduced the same picture with the following
legend: "The terrifying traces of barbaric massacres of the Armenians in
Turkey in the year of 1915". The original Bulgarian reads:
"Potresavashchite sledi ot barbarskoto klane na armentsi te b Turtsiya
prez 1915 godina. " This picture was used again and again...until the
truth was slapped on their faces:
In page 12 of the Novosti publication on the Tretyakov Gallery, there
appears a paragraph on painter Vereshchagin and his celebrated work.
Quoted verbatim:
"Impressed by the glory scenes of war in the Balkans and Central Asia,
Vassili Vereschagin created on his canvesses an image of the soldier as
hero and martyr. His imagination was stirred not so much by 'great' battle
episodes as by the bloodshed, the misery and suffering brought by war.
Perhaps, his most striking picture on the subject is The Apothesis of War,
which shows a pyramid of skulls. It is a painting that has much to say to
our own day and age. The artist expressed his indignation by dedicating
this picture to 'all the great conquerors of the past, present, and
future'.."
Not a word about 1915! Not a word about 1917! Not a word about the
Armenians! This massive catalogue is an official and a reliable Novosti
publication, in page 12 of which Vadim Olshevsky, who wrote the
"Introduction" to the book, says the following in the concluding
paragraphs of his manuscript: 'Let us now look at the date of the
paintings'...So let us look at the date of Vereshchagin painting: It says
in page 24 that the painting in question was done in the years 1871-1872.
How can this be tied up with 1915? Such a falsification can throw dust
only into the eyes of the mentally retarded. How can what is done in the
early 1870s portray 1915? Especially when one remembers that the painter
himself passed away in 1904! The gallery or the descendants of the painter
may wish to demand damages for slander of title. (...)
Obviously, we are confronted with an important falsification. To
paraphrase William Blake, this beats all the lies one can invent.
Doubtless, this is a fradulent manipulation of an object, a deceitful
arrangement of things, not once but several times, in such a manner as to
create an erroneous impression or a false inference in the minds of those
who observe them. it aims to insult the Turkish people, to sow hatred
between the Turks and the Armenians and deceive others. As Francis Bacon
said, such lies sink and settle and hurt!Those who assist them get spread,
even though ignorant of the deceit, are also accountable." The Turks and
the Armenians should not allow such falsifications. " By Prof. Dr.
Turkkaya Ataov, Chairman, International Relations Division, Faculty of
Political Science, Ankara University.
Russian painter Vassili Vereshchagin (1842-1904) painted this picture in
oil on canvass (127x197cm), a pyramid made up by skulls in a bleak
landscape, which he called "Apothesis of War", in 1871. The picture hangs
in the Tretyakov Gallery in Moscow.
>[ADSIZ] If you are able to go from 90,000 to 1,5 million in 80 years when
the
>[ADSIZ] population of Armenians werewere well under 2 million in the
Ottoman
>[ADSIZ] Empire, what is stopping you claiming 60 million Armenians -
bigger
>the
>[ADSIZ] number the better...
>
>[DD] Because there is no need to lie.
>
>[ADSIZ] Then, can I take it that you lie when you feel the need?
>
>No, you take it incorrectly. You claim Armenians inflate the numbers
murdered
>
>by the Turks and I claim Armenian don't need to lie about the numbers.
(M) But they do. Read on:
Professor Justin McCarthy of the University of Louisville, Kentucky, USA
points out that slightly less than 600,000 Anatolian Armenians died during
1912-1922, and adds that in the same period 2.5 million Anatolian moslems,
mostly Turks, also died. In the light of Armenian claims of 1.5 million
Armenian died, it would be useful to examine the validity of the Armenian
assertion. Boghos Nubar Pasha stated that 280m000 Armenians remained in
the Ottoman Empire after the war, while some 700,000 emigrated elsewhere.
This statement indicated that some 980,000 Armenians survived the war. The
number of Armenian dead may be obtained by substracting this figure from
the estimated Armenian population in the Ottoman Empire before the war.
The results are as follows:
First number is for "Claimed or Estimated Armenian Population" and the
second number is for "Number of Armenian Dead"
1. The Armenian author Leard, based on figures provided by the Patriarch
of Istanbul: 2,560,000- 1,580,000
2. The Armenian historian Basmajian: 2,380,000 - 1,400,000
3. The Armenian National Committee at the Paris Peace Conference:
2,250,000 - 1,270,000
4. The Armenian historian Kevork Aslan: 1,800,000 - 820,000
5. The French Yellow Book: 1,555,000 - 375,000
6. Encyclopedia Britannica: 1,500,000 - 520,000
7. Contenson: 1,400,000 - 420,000
8. Lynch: 1,345,000 - 365,000
9. Official Ottoman Census statistics (Census Dept. was headed by an
Ottoman Armenian): 1,295,000 - 315,000
10. Annual Register -London: 1,056,000 - 76,000
It can be seen that, the 600,000 figure given by prof. McCarthy, is higher
than all non-Armenian figures and close to the figure provided by the
Armenian historian Kevork Aslan. In addition, Armenians in the early years
after the war, as well as 1918 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica also
gave the 600,000 figure. The Encyclopedia Britannica figure, was later
revised to 1.5 million when the article was authored by an Armenian. In
the 1918 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, the entry was written by
a British author.
>
>[DD] Read below what the German Government stated, the major ally of
Turkey
>[DD] during WWI:--------------------------------------+
> |
> v
>[DD] David Davidian d...@urartu.sdpa.org | "1.5 million of the
approximately
>[DD] S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | 2 million Armenians in Turkey
had
>[DD] P.O. Box 382761 | been deported and 800,000 to
>[DD] Cambridge, MA 02238 | 1,000,000 died."
>[DD] | -German Consular Telegram,
>[DD] Oct. 4, 1916
>
>[ADSIZ] Is that the best you can do on such an important issue?
>
>No.
>
>[ADSIZ] Even if we accept that the said number is correct- which I
believe
>not
>[ADSIZ] true- it says 'deported' not genocided. You know there is a lot
of
>[ADSIZ] difference in the meanings of those two words.
>
>The word genocide wasn't invented in 1916, but murder was!
>
(M) Yeah, and the Armenians were guilty of it!
>
>
ATA
ha...@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) wrote:
>Hehhh...heee..."amcik" diyerek benim kafami alcaltacagini
>saniyorsan, butun kadinlar adina senin kafamdan firlama
>oldugunu gururla soyliyebilirim;-))))
Turkiye den, Turkler den ve Turkce den o kadar uzaksin ki bu lafi sana biraz
anlatayim dedim. Bu kufurun kadinlar ile hicbir alakasi yok. o organ sadece
vucuda giris ve cikislari saglayan bir interface dir. Yani dusunme islevi orada
yapilmaz. Sen de o salak post larinda zeka kirintisi gostermedigin icin
hdoganer (got kafa) gibi yararsiz artik cikisi yaptigin yerden bu post lari
attigin sonucuna vardim.
>"talihsizlik" masalina gelinceeeeee, beceriksizlik ve hesapsizligin
>donmecesi talihsizlik olmali;-)))) Hesap, kitap bilen kurmay
>"talihsizlik"'ten soz etmez, matematikten uygulama bir gramerle
>olanlari apacik ulusuma anlatir. Ulusumun caninin yandigi bir
HOOP dedik. Ulusun degil bizim ulusumuz. Sen vatan haini ve ulussuz bir
mahluksun. Kendini biz Turkler le ayni kaba asla koyamazsin.
>anda ona "talih" maslallari okumaz!!
>
>> yeni bir kelime mi icat ettin? anon!!!!
>
>Hehhh...heee...Net'te yeni oldugun nasilda belli;-)))
Net te yeni degil senin gibi vatan hainlerinin cirit attigi bu newsgrup ta
yeniyim. Fakat bu hicbir zaman senin gibi itlere cevap vermemi engellemez.
>|-| /-\ |-< |-< |||
ATA
az...@yfn.ysu.edu (Hakan Doganer) wrote:
>
>In a previous article, ha...@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) says:
>
>>> sen salaksin.
>>>
>>> Talihsizlik o sehitlerin orada pusuya dusmesi amcik kafa. Bu arada Turkce mize
>
>Peki buna gore TSK cok sayida PKK'li oldurdugunde bu da talih eseri mi
>oluyor, yoksa TSK'nin plan program hesap kitap yapmasi neticesi mi
>oluyor?
>
Got kafa,
Bu gibi buyuk operasyonlarda Turk Ordusu kayalara oyuklara saklanip gelene ates
etmiyor. Planli bir sekilde PKK li itlerin saklandigini bildigi veya tahmin
ettigi yerlere hucum ediyor. Pusuya dusurulmek tabii ki talihsizliktir. Pusunun
nesi onceden bilinip de planlanabilir? Yukaridan helikopter ve ucakla, yerden
de toplarla surekli bu mevziler dovuluyor. Fakat, sert kayalara, ovuklara
saklanan picler bu saldirilardan kurtulabiliyor. O yuzden bolgenin piyadeler
tarafindan taranmasi gerekir. Bu noktada plan onerin var mi aptalim?
>Yine buna gore Kemal'in kazandigini iddia ettiginiz savaslari
Iddia etmiyoruz, bunlar gercek tarihi olaylardir. Elinden o salak riza nur ile
kim tarafindan yazildigi belirsiz Time article larini birak da gercek tarih
kitaplari oku. Fakat senin gozun o kadar donmus ki ne okudugunu anlamazsin.
>Kemal talihlilik eseri mi kazanmis oluyor?.. Kaybetmek talihsizlik
>oluyorsa, kazanmak niye talihlilik olmasin?
>
Sen nasil istiyorsan oyle nitele. Sonucta bu zaferler kazanilmis, buyuk Turkiye
Cumhuriyeti kurulmus ve senin gibi dusunup de Osmanli Imparatorlugunu batirmis
itler Turkiye topraklarindan kacmislardir.
Hakan Doganer
Her ne kadar netas.com.tr'den yazdigin belli ise de gecerli bir e-mail
adresin olmadigi icin burada yaziyorum:
sct'deki yazilarima yaptigin follow up'lari ayrica benim e-mail adresime
gondermekten vazgec. Bu sabah 12 tane mesajin vardi hesabimda. Bosuna
hesabimi mesgul etme. sct'yi okuyorum. Devam edersen netas.com.tr'ye
yazip sikayet edecegim seni.
Tanju Cataltepe
In article <4mch8e$e...@bmdhh222.bnr.ca>, ATA <a...@turklerin.kalbinde> wrote:
>ha...@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) wrote:
>>Hehhh...heee..."amcik" diyerek benim kafami alcaltacagini
>>saniyorsan, butun kadinlar adina senin kafamdan firlama
>>oldugunu gururla soyliyebilirim;-))))
>Turkiye den, Turkler den ve Turkce den o kadar uzaksin ki bu lafi sana biraz
>anlatayim dedim. Bu kufurun kadinlar ile hicbir alakasi yok. o organ sadece
>vucuda giris ve cikislari saglayan bir interface dir.
Bunu yazan mutlaka bir 'software engineer' olmali,
'computer nerd' cesidinden. :-)
-Tanju
ali riza
On May 03, 1996 20:55:26 in article <Anatomik perspektifler (was: Re:
ATAIBNE)>, 'ta...@zoso.ho.att.com (Tanju Cataltepe)' wrote:
>In article <4mch8e$e...@bmdhh222.bnr.ca>, ATA <a...@turklerin.kalbinde>
wrote:
>>ha...@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) wrote:
>>>Hehhh...heee..."amcik" diyerek benim kafami alcaltacagini
>>>saniyorsan, butun kadinlar adina senin kafamdan firlama
>>>oldugunu gururla soyliyebilirim;-))))
>
>>Turkiye den, Turkler den ve Turkce den o kadar uzaksin ki bu lafi sana
biraz
>>anlatayim dedim. Bu kufurun kadinlar ile hicbir alakasi yok. o organ
sadece
>>vucuda giris ve cikislari saglayan bir interface dir.
hahhahhahhhhhhahaha
ATA
az...@yfn.ysu.edu (Hakan Doganer) wrote:
>
>
>sct'deki yazilarima yaptigin follow up'lari ayrica benim e-mail adresime
>gondermekten vazgec. Bu sabah 12 tane mesajin vardi hesabimda. Bosuna
>hesabimi mesgul etme. sct'yi okuyorum. Devam edersen netas.com.tr'ye
>yazip sikayet edecegim seni.
>
Adi pezevenk, istedigin yere sikayet et. Senin gibi bir serseriye cevap
yazdigimi tum network adminleri biliyor ve destekliyor. Senin hesabini daha cok
mesgul edecegim, taa ki sen Ataturk e ve Turkiye ye kufur etmeyi kesene dek.
Hakan Doganer
In a previous article, a...@turklerin.kalbinde (ATA) says:
>az...@yfn.ysu.edu (Hakan Doganer) wrote:
>>
>>
>>sct'deki yazilarima yaptigin follow up'lari ayrica benim e-mail adresime
>>gondermekten vazgec. Bu sabah 12 tane mesajin vardi hesabimda. Bosuna
>>hesabimi mesgul etme. sct'yi okuyorum. Devam edersen netas.com.tr'ye
>>yazip sikayet edecegim seni.
>>
>
>Adi pezevenk, istedigin yere sikayet et. Senin gibi bir serseriye cevap
>yazdigimi tum network adminleri biliyor ve destekliyor. Senin hesabini daha cok
Madem yazdigini tum network adminleri biliyor ve destekliyor, oyleyse
niye dogru durust bir adresle degil de "a...@turklerin.kalbinde" diye
uyduruk bir adresle yaziyorsun?.
MITHAT
In article <4mg03l$g...@news.ysu.edu>, az...@yfn.ysu.edu (Hakan Doganer)
writes:
>Madem yazdigini tum network adminleri biliyor ve destekliyor, oyleyse
>niye dogru durust bir adresle degil de "a...@turklerin.kalbinde" diye
>uyduruk bir adresle yaziyorsun?.
>
>
>>mesgul edecegim, taa ki sen Ataturk e ve Turkiye ye kufur etmeyi kesene
dek.
>>
az...@yfn.ysu.edu (Hakan Doganer)
(M) Hakan, senin adresin ve ismin gercek degilken baskalarina ayni sebeple
satasman komik.
Hakan Doganer
Bazan Donmeler Turkce'yi tam olarak anlayamadiklarindan tane tane tekrar
etmek gerekiyor iletisim kurabilmek icin: "gercek olmayan adres ve isimle
yazdigi" icin satasmis degilim, yazimi tekrar oku.. "Uyduruk adres"le
yazdigindan bahsediyor yazim..
Benim mesajlarima reply yapabilirsin (az...@yfn.ysu.edu)...
a...@turklerin.kalbinde 'ye reply yapamazsin..
Basti mi kafan?..
Mustafa Soysal MS57
In article <4mf988$8...@bmdhh222.bnr.ca>, ATA <a...@turklerin.kalbinde> wrote:
>az...@yfn.ysu.edu (Hakan Doganer) wrote:
>>
>>
>>sct'deki yazilarima yaptigin follow up'lari ayrica benim e-mail adresime
>>gondermekten vazgec. Bu sabah 12 tane mesajin vardi hesabimda. Bosuna
>>hesabimi mesgul etme. sct'yi okuyorum. Devam edersen netas.com.tr'ye
>>yazip sikayet edecegim seni.
>>
>
>Adi pezevenk, istedigin yere sikayet et. Senin gibi bir serseriye cevap
>yazdigimi tum network adminleri biliyor ve destekliyor. Senin hesabini daha cok
>
Bu herifin yazdIklarI netas.dan baSka Bell research network'larIndan da
geCiyor. EGer netaS, yazIlI dahil SikAyete aldIrIS etmezse daha sonra
bir kopyasinI bnr.ca ile ilgili yerlere yollayIp SikAyet edebilirsin.
istenmeyen e-mail "harrasment" sayIldIGI iCin ise federal polise de
SikAyet edebilirsin. bnr.ca bu durumda netaS.tr'in baGlantIsInI kesmek
zorunda bile kalIr.
AyrIca, kullandIGIn e-mail programIna bunlardan gelen bUtUn postalarI
filtre etmeyi de OGretebilirsin.
Mustafa Soysal MS57
In article <4mg454$8...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, MITHAT <mit...@aol.com> wrote:
>In article <4mg03l$g...@news.ysu.edu>, az...@yfn.ysu.edu (Hakan Doganer)
>writes:
>
>>Madem yazdigini tum network adminleri biliyor ve destekliyor, oyleyse
>>niye dogru durust bir adresle degil de "a...@turklerin.kalbinde" diye
>>uyduruk bir adresle yaziyorsun?.
>>
>>
>dek.
>>>
>
>
>(M) Hakan, senin adresin ve ismin gercek degilken baskalarina ayni sebeple
>satasman komik.
>
Yalan sOyleme, adresi gerCek.
a...@turklerin.kalbinde adresine mektup yollamaya CalIS bakalIm ne
oluyor...<G>
ATA
mso...@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) wrote:
>istenmeyen e-mail "harrasment" sayIldIGI iCin ise federal polise de
>SikAyet edebilirsin. bnr.ca bu durumda netaS.tr'in baGlantIsInI kesmek
>zorunda bile kalIr.
>
>AyrIca, kullandIGIn e-mail programIna bunlardan gelen bUtUn postalarI
>filtre etmeyi de OGretebilirsin.
>
Sikayet ederken ne diyeceksiniz? Biz Ataturk e, Turkiye ye ve Turkler'e ana
avrat kufrediyoruz, bu kisi de bize cevap veriyor bu yuzden e-mail account imiz
doluyor mu diyeceksiniz. Size gulenlere bir de federal polisi eklemeyi
dusunuyorsaniz dikkat edin. Onlar gulmekle kalmaz benim buradan veremedigim
cevabi da konsolosluk vasitasiyla verirler. Dedigim gibi; mail lerimden
kurtulmanin tek yolu Ataturk'e Turkiye'ye ve Turkler'e dil uzatmayi kesmektir.
Yoksa isinize gelirse. Ayrica kaldi ki net e sadece isten baglanmiyorum. Evden
BBS araciligiyla ve bir universitedeki account um ile 2 degisik yoldan daha
size hakettiginiz cevabi verebilirim. Aglamayi kesin.
BEDIS
>geCiyor. EGer netaS, yazIlI dahil SikAyete aldIrIS etmezse daha sonra
>bir kopyasinI bnr.ca ile ilgili yerlere yollayIp SikAyet edebilirsin.
>
>SikAyet edebilirsin. bnr.ca bu durumda netaS.tr'in baGlantIsInI kesmek
>zorunda bile kalIr.
>
Kazma,
Ne netas'ta nede bnr da senin yazdigin zirvaliklari kimse sallamaz.Her iki
sirkette calisan tum Turkler Ataturkcudur ve Ataturke dil uzatanlari sevmezler.
Hakki Kocabas
> Adi pezevenk, istedigin yere sikayet et. Senin gibi bir serseriye cevap
> yazdigimi tum network adminleri biliyor ve destekliyor. Senin hesabini daha cok
>
Genel Muduru de biliyor olmali, belki $irket Yonetim
Kurulu da biliyordur, belkim de onlardan yazili yetki
almi$indir $irket adina, NETA$ adina saga sola kufur
ve tehditler yagdirmak icin. Hehh heee.. NETA$'in
statusunun bir kopyasini buraya gecsen de ne i$le
i$tigal ettigini ogrensek nasil olur;-)))
Hehhh...heeee.....devam et, devam..
|-| /-\ |-< |-< |||
ATA
ha...@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) wrote:
>Hehhh...heeee.....devam et, devam..
Ne o cok mu tahrik oldun? "Devam et devam et..". Yazdiklarimin netas la
alakasi olsa organization olarak netas yazardim. Kappa Unix bilmemne sirketi de
sana Ataturk'e kufretmen icin mi account verdi? Ayabasi tutmus hatunlar gibi
sacmalamaya basladin.
Hakan Doganer
Yav Ata, biraz haber versene o taraftan.. Ne yapiyorsun, nasil
vakit geciriyorsun?.. Munker nekir melekleriyle aran nasil?. Raki
leblebi sIkIntIsI cekiyor musun?.. Sirozun iyilesti mi, karnindaki
su indi mi? Mezarin cennet bahcelerinden bir bahce mi, cehennem
cukurlarindan bir cukur mu (Hadis geregi ikisinden biri olur)?..
Bu hususda biraz bilgi verirsen izinden giden hayranlarina biraz
olsun faydan olur.
In a previous article, a...@cehennemin.dibinde (ATA) says:
ATA
Gercekten de haklisin. Zaten bu listeye ilk daldigim 1 ay kadar oncesinde bu
tur satasmalarin ilk kez yapildigini zannederek buyuk bir heyecanla cevap
vermistim. Fakat baktim ki bunlar hep ayni hikayeyi zirvalayip duruyorlar. O
yuzden bunlara cevap vermek, bu itlerin uyuzlarini kasiyip rahatlatmaktan baska
ise yaramiyor. Uyarin icin tesekkurler.
Hakan Doganer
In a previous article, cy...@cornell.edu (Celim Yildizhan) says:
>Turkiye'nin isgalden kurtulmasini saglamis, yillarca somurge altinda
>yasayan Arap ya da 3.dunya ulkelerinin kaderi gibi bir kadere sahip
>olmamizi engellemis, her seferinde de butun bunlari milletinden aldigi
>gucuyle yaptigini belirtmis Ataturk'e laf etmenin mantigini bana kim
>aciklayabilir?
Sen hele milletinden guc alan birisinin sapka giymek istemiyorlar
diye milletini daragaclarina dizmesinin mantigini bize izah et once..
>Hakan Doganer'in oncelikle Ataturk'un yaptiklarinin
>tirnagi kadar bu millete bir sey verip vermedigini kendine sormasi
>lazim. Ayrica Ataturk'u korumanin yolu da bu sekilde Ataturk'e
>yapilan saldirilara onlarin tarzinda cevap vermek degildir. Eger bir
>insan hem de Turkiye vatandasi bir insan, Turkiye'yi yokolmusluktan
>cikaran , gelecege umitle bakmasini saglayan Ataturk gibi bir buyuk
>lidere, milletimizin bu yuzyilki en buyuk sansina dusman olabilmisse
>onun gelisiminde , buyumesinde cevre faktorlu bircok etkinin, beyin
>yikamanin ve yanlisligin oldugunu tahmin etmek guc degldir. Bu benim
>bu konuda yazacagim ilk ve son mesaj, birakin Hakan Doganer gibiler
>kucuk, kisitli orumcekli dunyalarinda kendi yarattiklari paranoya ve
>suclamalarinin icinde yasasinlar. Buyuk Atam rahat uyu...............
>
>Celim Yildizhan.
>
Hakan Doganer
In a previous article, a...@turklerin.kalbinde (ATA) says:
>Gercekten de haklisin. Zaten bu listeye ilk daldigim 1 ay kadar oncesinde bu
>tur satasmalarin ilk kez yapildigini zannederek buyuk bir heyecanla cevap
Dogrudur.. TC'de anasinin karnindan dogar dogmaz baslayip cocuklarin
beyinlerini yikadiginiz icin, bu cocuklar hayatlarinda ilk defa AtaDonme'nin
kim/ne oldugunu duyunca beyinlerinden vurulmusa donup akillarini yitiriyorlar.
Aciyorlar agizlarini yumuyorlar gozlerini... Sen de onlardan biri olmalisin..
Zamanla alisirsin, gecer..
bencls
so...@indyvax.iupui.edu declared to the world at large:
>>>bit of themselves in it now could they?
>>>By the way, that American portrayed in the film denied
>>>any such horrendous events of the film on American television.
>> And like an American actor would know. Anyway the lead actor was Greek
>Dumbass, the sentence reads "...American portrayed in the film..."
>What does that mean? It means the actual American that the film was about.
>Not the pig actor that portrayed the American, dipshit.
Hmm and I thought the movie was about a Greek that outsmarted the
brutal Turkish animals that were systematicall slaughtering millions
of innocents in a region they had invaded! But then again Turks have
changed history so many times they dont know what the hell is going
on!!
Hmm Dumbass ...very intelectuall!! hehehehehehe
>> dick wad so get a clue with utmost promptness!!
>>
>> Yes but thats what you say about established historical fact.!!!
>> Propaganda to you dear fool is endless suffering for the survivors of
>> one of the greatest slaughters in history. You are guilty simply by
>What the hell are you talking about? Just go watch/hear the gay Greek
>references in the "birdcage" movie and shut the fuck up...
Changing the subject again are you Turk? No I dont thik the world
will let your nation forget the brutallity commited against women and
children..that stain will stay forever!!
>> denying it, but look in the mirror and repeat your denials!! I dare
>> you..:-)
>A faggot Greek is daring his eternal master. You must be of the young
>generation. You know it's been 22 years since we kicked your ass, so your
>itching for more. History keeps repeating itself but just wait your time will
>come as well.
Get an economy, a reputaion, an honourable history and a non-diseased
city of shit and then call yourself master...
heheheheheh only a Turk would boast about invading a tiny island that
had NO real ARMY...and still it took the massive turkish army weeks!!!
heheheheheheheheheheheheheh
>Oguz
>http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
Confirmed racist dickhead with the least number of clues for the
month.
>>
>>>Oguz
>>>http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
>>>PS:why don't you go watch the new Robin Williams movie 'birdcage' or something.
>>>I'm sure you'll enjoy the 3 or 4 references to the Greek style.
>>
>> Watch Midnight express fool, and you'll get to see all the little
>> Turks doing what comes natural to them!!!
Watch midnight express , the turks deal drugs and rape western men,
now your latent homosexuality is not so latent is it Oguz?
>No dumbass, your bastard fathers made the movie so they could enjoy themselves
>in public and divert the attention on us.
"Dumbass" you have a fixation with gays and asses, seems to me you
should come out, and be proud of it..heaven knows its not as bad as
being a Turk!!
Later :-)
ATA
Sana gercekler o kadar komus ki dogdugun gunden beri inkar icindesin. Senin de
beynin ters yonde yikanmis. Sen ister alis ister alisma, begenmiyorsan kactigin
Turkiye 'ye de bir daha gelme.
Hakki Kocabas
NETA$ GM'i izin vermi$ olmali, degil mi?
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Ercument OZER
"Mekke fethinden sonra Hz. Muhammed bir aralik Amine'nin
mezari basina giderek Tanri'dan annesi icin dua etmek uzere
izin istemistir, fakat bu izin verilmemistir, verilmemesinin
nedeni annesinin Yahudi asilli olmasidir." Envar't-Tenzil
ve Esraru't-Te'vil'in yazari Beyzavi
Diyorum ya, Yahudilere saygim her gecen gun artiyor. Helal
olsun ne buyuk insanlar cikarmislar aralarindan.
--
Ercument OZER's personal homepage for SCT signature :
http://gumbo.bae.lsu.edu/HOME5/pj3084/oercumen/MOSAIC/homepage.html
Hakki Kocabas
In message <<4ml47l$r...@bmdhh222.bnr.ca>> ATA <a...@turklerin.kalbinde> writes:
>
> >Hehhh...heeee.....devam et, devam..
>
> Ne o cok mu tahrik oldun? "Devam et devam et..". Yazdiklarimin netas la
> alakasi olsa organization olarak netas yazardim. Kappa Unix bilmemne sirketi de
>
ve de adresimi acikca yaziyorum, yazdiklarimin bu kurulu$un goru$U
olmadigi da acik. Eger acik degilse o zaman bu yazimi bir _disclaimer_
olarak kabul et. Fakat senin durumun boyle degil, kufrun NETA$'a
bula$masin diye onlardan aldigin adresi adresinden silip
uydurma adresle yaziyorsun. Ayrica utanmadan bunlari yazmama
NETA$ kar$i degil, onlarda yaptigimi, ettigim kufurleri
destekliyor, bana bunun icin firsat veriyor diyebiliyorsun.
|-| /-\ |-< |-< |||
Hakan Doganer
In a previous article, ha...@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) says:
Bu Netas'i incelemek lazim.. Yahudilerin kurdugu, islettigi veya
hissesinin oldugu bir sirket mi?.
Ercument OZER
Bu ne kadar sapik bir mentalite. Hz. Muhammet'te Yahudi
asilli (bkz. Dr. Arsel, Seriat ve Kadin). Simdi sirf o
yuzden Islam'da ve Kuran'da bir bit yenigi mi var diye
incelemeye mi alalim.
> Bu Netas'i incelemek lazim.. Yahudilerin kurdugu, islettigi veya
> hissesinin oldugu bir sirket mi?.
ATA
Yahudi paranoyasi sende oyle bir hal almis ki etraftaki begenmedigin ve senin
kuyruguna basan herkesi ve her kurumu yahudi olarak goruyorsun. Sen gercekten
de St. Elizabeth hastanesinde yatan bir vaka misin? Herhalde tip literaturune
girmissindir.
BEDIS
Hakan,
Turkiyede yasayan duyarli Ataturkun izinde milyonlarca insan ve ozel yada
devlete ait bircok kurum var.Sen ve senin gibiler Ataturk'u sevmiyor diye kimse
senin yakistirdigin hicbirsey olmaz.Sana yanit verme hakkini ise kimse kimseden
izin alarak almaz.Senin burs alarak Amerikaya gittigin YOK yada Milli Egitim
Bakanligida Ataturkcudur. Turkiyenin ust duzey yoneticileride
Ataturkcudur.Ataturk'un izindedir.HIC BIR SEKILDE BU GERCEGI DEGISTIREMEZSIN
Mustafa Soysal MS57
In article <2796126.3...@kcbbs.gen.nz>,
HakkI, bUyUk bir ihtimalle bu herif NetaS'In etwork administratOrU, Can
BUyUkal(k)an....;)
MUdUriyete SikAyet de edilebilir, Bell Norton Research'In legal
department'ine bir mektup da yazIlabilir.....
Mustafa Soysal MS57
In article <4mk5mu$b...@bmdhh222.bnr.ca>, sahtekAr ATA <a...@turklerin.kalbinde> wrote:
>mso...@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) wrote:
>
>>SikAyet edebilirsin. bnr.ca bu durumda netaS.tr'in baGlantIsInI kesmek
>>zorunda bile kalIr.
>>
>>filtre etmeyi de OGretebilirsin.
>>
>
>Sikayet ederken ne diyeceksiniz? Biz Ataturk e, Turkiye ye ve Turkler'e ana
harrasment by e-mail.....
>avrat kufrediyoruz, bu kisi de bize cevap veriyor bu yuzden e-mail account imiz
>doluyor mu diyeceksiniz. Size gulenlere bir de federal polisi eklemeyi
>dusunuyorsaniz dikkat edin. Onlar gulmekle kalmaz benim buradan veremedigim
Sen "No contact" (unsolicited e-mail) durumunda kontak kurduGun iCin
otomatikman bir ayaGInI hapse atIyorsun...Ustelik bile bile yaptIGIn
iCin de her seferinde katmerleniyor....
>cevabi da konsolosluk vasitasiyla verirler. Dedigim gibi; mail lerimden
;) veya seni yaka paCa yollarlar buraya mahkemeye....
>kurtulmanin tek yolu Ataturk'e Turkiye'ye ve Turkler'e dil uzatmayi kesmektir.
Kesinlikle e-posta ile harrasment....
>Yoksa isinize gelirse. Ayrica kaldi ki net e sadece isten baglanmiyorum. Evden
>BBS araciligiyla ve bir universitedeki account um ile 2 degisik yoldan daha
>size hakettiginiz cevabi verebilirim. Aglamayi kesin.
o hesaplarInIn da canIna okuruz ;) Kanunlara uymayI OGren bakalIm <G>
>
Mustafa Soysal MS57
In article <4mk8p3$d...@bmdhh222.bnr.ca>, BEDIS <Be...@Laik.Turkiye> wrote:
>mso...@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>>geCiyor. EGer netaS, yazIlI dahil SikAyete aldIrIS etmezse daha sonra
>>bir kopyasinI bnr.ca ile ilgili yerlere yollayIp SikAyet edebilirsin.
>>
>>SikAyet edebilirsin. bnr.ca bu durumda netaS.tr'in baGlantIsInI kesmek
>>zorunda bile kalIr.
>>
>
>
;) ananI iyi kazdIm doGrusu....
>Ne netas'ta nede bnr da senin yazdigin zirvaliklari kimse sallamaz.Her iki
>sirkette calisan tum Turkler Ataturkcudur ve Ataturke dil uzatanlari sevmezler.
oralarda sadece yahudiler CalISIr....
>
ATA
mso...@mistik.express.net (Mustafa Soysal MS57) wrote:
>HakkI, bUyUk bir ihtimalle bu herif NetaS'In etwork administratOrU, Can
>BUyUkal(k)an....;)
>
Yine cok attin mistik ama tutturamadin.
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Mustafa Soysal MS57
In article <4mr762$m...@news.ysu.edu>, Hakan Doganer <az...@yfn.ysu.edu> wrote:
>
>In a previous article, ha...@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) says:
>
>>In message <<4mk8p3$d...@bmdhh222.bnr.ca>> BEDIS <Be...@Laik.Turkiye> writes:
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >geCiyor. EGer netaS, yazIlI dahil SikAyete aldIrIS etmezse daha sonra
>>> >bir kopyasinI bnr.ca ile ilgili yerlere yollayIp SikAyet edebilirsin.
>>> >
>>> >istenmeyen e-mail "harrasment" sayIldIGI iCin ise federal polise de
>>> >SikAyet edebilirsin. bnr.ca bu durumda netaS.tr'in baGlantIsInI kesmek
>>> >zorunda bile kalIr.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Kazma,
>>> sirkette calisan tum Turkler Ataturkcudur ve Ataturke dil uzatanlari sevmezler.
>>>
>>NETA$ GM'i izin vermi$ olmali, degil mi?
>>|-| /-\ |-< |-< |||
>>
>>
>
>
>hissesinin oldugu bir sirket mi?.
>
Tabi. Bir zamanlar Northern telecomm'un TRdeki temsilciliGiydi ve PTT
ile ortak telefon fabrikasI vardI.
BildiGin gibi medya, komunikasyon, ve telefon Sirketleri Yahudilerin
elindedir. Bell Sirketleri ve AT&T de bunlara dahil.
Mustafa Soysal MS57
GerCek ise Su ki, yahudiler onun Uzerine basmak iCin yarIS halindeler.
Evet, NetaS bir Yahudi kuruluSudur, ana Sirketi Northern telecomm ve
Bell gibi.
Hakki Kocabas
> HakkI, bUyUk bir ihtimalle bu herif NetaS'In etwork administratOrU, Can
> BUyUkal(k)an....;)
>
> department'ine bir mektup da yazIlabilir.....
>
Send me their e-mail address pls..
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LeilaKap
information" on Turkey is tarnished by your zeal to be super-Greek..Pity,
I like Greeks..But you are really something else.
Leila
MITHAT
>Subject: WAS ATATURK GAY?
>From: PETROS <PA...@le.ac.uk>
>Date: 29 Mar 1996 18:05:15 GMT
>
>HE DEFINITELY WAS !!
>READ: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HISTORY OF GAYS IN TURKEY.
>
>
(M) Is it because what he did to the skirted soldiers of yours in 1920s?
Then Venizelos came for more?
Hakan Basagaoglu
: HE DEFINITELY WAS !!
: READ: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HISTORY OF GAYS IN TURKEY.
How do you know it stupid animal? Did he fuck you or your father?
Or you are writng here on behalf of your grandfather whose pain at
his ass has never got well since first world war.
Get a life MORON!!!
HAKAN
PETROS
AHMET M CITIPITIOGLU
french and he told me that there is even a saying in frech: that means to
"to be fucked like a GREEK", that means obviously by the rear...like has
bee the case for hundreds of years....Turks are sick and tired of kicking
and fucking GREEK ass...
sincerely,
ahmet
<ah...@okstate.edu>
bkht
>
Watch for future postings, where he actually comes out of the closet
and admits he has resorted to men. Once again, he will prove he's
a true greek.
>.
>.
Senol Sonek
>
> HE DEFINITELY WAS !!
> READ: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HISTORY OF GAYS IN TURKEY.
I don't think this message is written by my "best" friend Petros Liapis, number one he
doesn't believe in Turkish sources at all, number two there is something wrong with the
message I.D. & address, etc.
--
Senol Sonek
so...@husc.harvard.edu
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~sonek/
OK
>READ: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HISTORY OF GAYS IN TURKEY.
>
Is that all you do, you lame ass SHIT KICKER
Osman
Petros Liapis
>
> PETROS wrote:
> >
> > HE DEFINITELY WAS !!
> > READ: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HISTORY OF GAYS IN TURKEY.
>
> doesn't believe in Turkish sources at all, number two there is something wrong with the
> message I.D. & address, etc.
> --
> Senol Sonek
Yeap!!! ... You are right my "dear" friend, this is another "petros". The way to tell the
difference is to check the address and the name on the thread list.
My name shows up as "Petros Liapis" while his, as "PETROS".
...untill now I had feke messages to deal with .... now I have another guy with the same
name.... bad luck I guess......
...By the way, I don't think you are right when you say that I don't believe in turkish
sources. If you have notice I avoid to use Greek sources too!!!!
When I am "engaged" in the Greco-Turkish dispute I prefer neutral sources, which I found it
more fair for both sides. Yet, most Turks on the net read and believe *nothing but* Turkish
sources, which is very unfortunate.
Petros liapis
Antonios Papageorgiou
> PETROS (not Liapis but the other!) wrote:
> HE DEFINITELY WAS !!
> READ: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HISTORY OF GAYS IN TURKEY.
1) He's definitely dead.
2) I don't divide humanity between gays and hetero.
3) If a person is gay or not it's definitely not my problem.
Ya sou
Zafer Latif
>
> HE DEFINITELY WAS !!
> READ: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HISTORY OF GAYS IN TURKEY.
So? What's your point?
By the way he was born and raised in greece.
If he was gay he picked it up from greeks, thats
why he probably came to Turkey and then beat the
shit out of ya guys.
Cheers,
eps...@spots.ab.ca
>
> By the way, about Ataturk, Zsa Zsa Gabor seems to have
> got the best of him. You think she would go for someone
> gay?
>
Maybe he wasn't out of the closet yet. Or he may have enjoyed
swinging both ways. Just a couple of possibilities.
EA
Hakan Doganer
In a previous article, zla...@nando.net (Zafer Latif) says:
>PETROS wrote:
>>
>> HE DEFINITELY WAS !!
>> READ: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HISTORY OF GAYS IN TURKEY.
>
>
> So? What's your point?
>
> By the way he was born and raised in greece.
That's right.. He was born in Salonika...
> If he was gay he picked it up from greeks, thats
I don't think so.. He was born to a Doenmeh (secret/hidden Jew) family..
At the time he was born, 70% of the population in Salonika were either
non-secret Jews or secret Jews (Doenmehs).. So if he picked up anything
in Salonika, it must be from the Doenmeh community in which he was raised..
BTW, the Doenmehs had a habit: Once a year on the night of the birthday of
Sabbetai Zevi, the Jewish messiah the Doenmehs believed in, the Doenmehs
would gather in a house, and after the dinner (the lamb), they would put
the lights off, and men and women would have sex in the dark at random.
Children born of these intercourses were regarded as saintly.
Melis Behlil
> >
> > PETROS (not Liapis but the other!) wrote:
>
> > HE DEFINITELY WAS !!
> > READ: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HISTORY OF GAYS IN TURKEY.
>
> 1) He's definitely dead.
> 2) I don't divide humanity between gays and hetero.
> 3) If a person is gay or not it's definitely not my problem.
>
> Ya sou
>
The first reasonable posting on this thread. I fully agree.
Melis Behlil.
Mustafa Soysal MS57
eps...@spots.ab.ca <eps...@spots.ab.ca> wrote:
>Zafer Latif wrote:
>>
>> By the way, about Ataturk, Zsa Zsa Gabor seems to have
>> got the best of him. You think she would go for someone
>> gay?
>>
Zsa Zsa said that the Father of the Jews AtaDOenmeh gave him opium.......
He probably took her butt....
Vasilios L. Pilarinos
--
___Vasilios_L._Pilarin...@is4.nyu.edu___
|___________________________"http://www.ml.org/~vpilarin"___| * ROTFL! :-)
Ege ORER
>I don't think so.. He was born to a Doenmeh (secret/hidden Jew) family..
>At the time he was born, 70% of the population in Salonika were either
>non-secret Jews or secret Jews (Doenmehs).. So if he picked up anything
>in Salonika, it must be from the Doenmeh community in which he was raised..
>
>BTW, the Doenmehs had a habit: Once a year on the night of the birthday of
>Sabbetai Zevi, the Jewish messiah the Doenmehs believed in, the Doenmehs
>would gather in a house, and after the dinner (the lamb), they would put
>the lights off, and men and women would have sex in the dark at random.
>Children born of these intercourses were regarded as saintly.
>
I think your family had a different habit. Your father had gone to the stable
on its four steps, fucked a pig and afterwards you became... This seems logical
no?
Hakan Doganer
All the information about the Doenmehs I post are from sources
written by Jews..
What is the source of the information about me you provided above?..
so...@indyvax.iupui.edu
Greeks, Aussies, Zealanders, & Italians... Never lost a battle, and bestowed
upon you clowns yet another typical and humiliating defeat after WW1
with a haggered, practically inequiped Turkish warriors (need I mention the
5:1 Greek:Turk soldier ratio) and all you can do is say he is gay.
That's pathetic, son...
Oguz
http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
Note: Not only was Zsa Zsa with Ataturk, but she named
a stallion after him, Pasha (General). Need I say more...
>Date: 9 Apr 96 12:24:39 -0500
Vasilios L. Pilarinos
# You're writing about the man who humiliated the British, Russians, French,
# Greeks, Aussies, Zealanders, & Italians... Never lost a battle, and bestowed
# upon you clowns yet another typical and humiliating defeat after WW1
# with a haggered, practically inequiped Turkish warriors (need I mention the
# 5:1 Greek:Turk soldier ratio) and all you can do is say he is gay.
# That's pathetic, son...
Yes well, Jews were always great in battle. Granted, he whooped some
Greek ass. But do you think that forgives his gay lifestyle and love
for little children? :-)
# http://cord.it.iupui.edu/~soguz
John D
> >
> > HE DEFINITELY WAS !!
> > READ: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HISTORY OF GAYS IN TURKEY.
>
> By the way he was born and raised in greece.
> shit out of ya guys.
> Cheers,