GamiKaje !!!!
jaekim
I just found KamiKaje's Kami is the same word as Korean's Gom!!!!
As I told you, this Gom is m174 = the Ainu!!!!!
Can you belive this??
This is amazing!!
FreddieM
"jaekim" <jki...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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I hope you realize that you're the only person on usenet excited about this
jaekim
hek? really? >.,<
I feel like you are a 5 years old kid that everyone are same idiot like u.
FreddieM
then tell me who else is excited besides you
jaekim
Hey man.. Koreans lived for maybe like 1500 years saying they are
descendants of bear woman.
Actually bear is supposed to be a symbol of Korea, but
Japanese have Gami-Kaje? Gami = Gom = bear
I mean these thing is not only exciting, but it's really getting
serious here, unless you are a dumb idiot.
And China's first emperor's last name is bear??
Man.. this is kinda upside-down thing for all Asians.. you know that?
We are talking about the roots of one-fifth of total earth population,
and you are not excited??? common..
Musashi
>
> Hey man.. Koreans lived for maybe like 1500 years saying they are
> descendants of bear woman.
>
> Actually bear is supposed to be a symbol of Korea, but
>
> Japanese have Gami-Kaje? Gami = Gom = bear
>
What is this Gami-Gom thing? What is Gami-Kaje?
Bear in Japanese is "kuma" (?).
jaekim
Kaje is wind.
So it means God's wind.
I think Korean word Gom that somehow transfered to Gami to refer something holly.
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Musashi
Yes, God's wind or maybe better, Divine Wind.
Well known as the Typhoons that destroyed the invading Mongol fleets
in the 1200s and also the name given to the Special Attack Forces
(tokkoutai)
sometimes called suicide planes that defended Okinawa in WWII.
However what does the term Kamikaze have to do with bears?
jaekim
Bear is a special meaning to both Ainu and Koreans.
Actually on internet there is a document (forgot the author, but I
think he was a American) that bear related myths are widespread in
northeast, korea, and japan and the center of the myth is the Ainu.
Well.. bear related myth is also in Hunwon, but
I think his conclusion the Ainu is of importance in bear myth is
right.
Korean word for bear is Gom.
In Korea, Gom doesn't have a meaning of divine.
But In Japan, where Shinto became very popular, it's very possible
that Gami is the same word as Gom that was mystified.
In Japan, there is something like "Goma" and it's related to Koguryo
influence.
Where do Japanese say that Gami word came from?
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Musashi
of reading it,
and I suspect it "may" have it's origins in the Ainu word "kamui" meaning
spirits.
The Japanese word for Bear is "Kuma" and I am not aware of any chinese style
reading
of this character. In other words, I don't see any connection.
jaekim
> of reading it,
> and I suspect it "may" have it's origins in the Ainu word "kamui" meaning
> spirits.
> The Japanese word for Bear is "Kuma" and I am not aware of any chinese style
> reading
> of this character. In other words, I don't see any connection.
I see.. may be I am wrong.
Kuma more sounds like it.
Thanks.. maybe you are rigit, BUT
What's the Ainu's word for BEAR then?
There must be one, since Ainu is the bear tribe.
Musashi
As far as I know the word for Bear in Ainu Itaku (ainu language)
is "pyuurepu" or "eperu". Probably doesn't help you.
jaekim
http://users.compaqnet.be/cn111132/Frazer/128.html
First page says bear is Chira-Mante-Kamui.
Second page says "they give it(bear) the name of kamui."
Kamui(Ainu) = Guma(Japanese) = Gom(Korean)
I have no doubt about it.
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Musashi
When Chira Mante Kamui appears on earth, the form he takes
is that of a bear.
jaekim
The God is sent down to earth in the name of Zesus, then
he is sacrificed and human beings are saved.
So in Christianity God=Zesus
Now look at Ainu.
Mountain God comes down in the form of bear, bear is sacrificed and
happy and joy.
So you agree that this Chira Mante Kamui is the bear.
What other Kamui is there that is of significance to Ainu then?
Ainu sacrifice any tiger? rabbit? or goat? horse?
Tell me is there any other Kamui that is of importance for Ainu?
No. Ainu sacrifices only bear. They do go through that rituals for
bear for thousands of years.
Ainu is da defacto standard of bear tribe!.
So any reference to bear to any northeast asia or Korea or China is
the Ainu.
If you look at many tungus people in northeast asia they have a story
related to bear. Some woman got married with bear, etc... who could
the bear be?
That's the Ainu. Probably when tungus person asked an Ainu why he is
so attached to bear. He would say "????? Chira Mante Kamui" in holly
face.
Then the tungus person would just forget Chira Mante then just take
the Kamui as the word that refers to the BEAR!
And tungus people keep refering to bear as Kamui, and because it's so
long just shorten it as Kam, Kum, Gom.
I mean this is so abovious man.
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Musashi
>
> The God is sent down to earth in the name of Zesus, then
> he is sacrificed and human beings are saved.
>
> So in Christianity God=Zesus
>
> Now look at Ainu.
>
> Mountain God comes down in the form of bear, bear is sacrificed and
> happy and joy.
>
> So you agree that this Chira Mante Kamui is the bear.
>
No. It is the great mountain spirit with the bear as its symbol.
Maybe you understand this.
> What other Kamui is there that is of significance to Ainu then?
>
I believe the Owl and Orca (Killer Whale).
> Ainu sacrifice any tiger? rabbit? or goat? horse?
There are no tigers on the Japanese archipelago.
> Tell me is there any other Kamui that is of importance for Ainu?
>
> No. Ainu sacrifices only bear. They do go through that rituals for
> bear for thousands of years.
>
> Ainu is da defacto standard of bear tribe!.
>
> So any reference to bear to any northeast asia or Korea or China is
> the Ainu.
Using a worship involving bears as proof of common human origin may be
dangerous. For example I think you need to extensively examine bear worship
beliefs
in Europe and among the American Indians as well. Bears commonly appear as a
creature of worship due to their power and ferociousness. In Africa and
South America
where the are no bears, panthers and large cats take it's place.
By the way, since the Ainu are the decendants of the Jomon who inhabited
Japan from
at before 10500 BC, have you found some information linking these Jomon
people to
the Korean penninsula or Asian mainland? Many people believe the Jomon
people may
have had a southern origin.
jaekim
I am not very sure it was Aztec or Maya, but
Aztec pure gene person have almost similar gene type as the Ainu.
So this means some Ainus migrated to Amercan continent and they became
the Aztec.
That's why there are some bear related myths in America.
I think what Japanese calls Jomon are m130 gene type people.
They migrated through the coasts of Asia and have same y-chromosome
gene type as the Papua Newguinee folks.
Ainu are m174, so they are different bread.
Current Ainu has 90% m174 and 10% m130.
I believe dolmen builders in Korea were m130 too.
Mongol and Kajaks are m130 also.
And m130 which is the coastal type migrated the south went to
I saw that aztec pure person KBS(Korean tv broadcast) mongolian route
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