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jaekim

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Jun 8, 2004, 7:34:19 PM6/8/04
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I am going to summarize some facts about Ainu and misunderstanding,
and
how much of importance it has on Korean ancient history.

1. Ainu is NOT white race. This had been claims of some caucasian
people in the past, but gene analysis proved that Ainu is not
Ccaucasian nor Cacasoid.

In fact, as far as gene is concerned, Ainu is FURTHER from the
Caucasian in the gene tree than northen and southern type Mongolian
(alltogether m175) which is a dominent gene type in all yellow race.

2. Ainu father line has YAP+. and YAP+ is not only of large
percentage in Japan, but in Tibet too.

Let me give you some facts I found.

Korean gene has majority father line gene of m134.
m134 is largely spread across china, tibet.

A place called Baric which is below tibet has 100% m134 gene.

I think this place called Baric is close to the lahu tribe that a
Korean scholar kim byungho claims as the descendant of Koguryo.

Anyway Baric rarely have YAP+ gene.
But they have some story about bear.

Bear is a very important element in Korean origin.

Many tribes in Machuria, which is right above from Korean peninsula,
and much closer to Ainu's Hokaido, has some cult related to Bear.

So it's very interesting that these people who is close to YAP+ gene
dominent place has this bear culture.

Now. Let's look at Tibetans.

Tibetans say they are descendants of a Monkey.

I belive this Monkey is also the Ainu.

Tibetans have this story about a hairly King, who is supposed to be
like Dangun of Korea.

It's very possible Tibetans YAP+ type is later than the YAP+ in Japan,
because Tibetan has another variation of YAP+ type.

I don't know if Tibetans, in general, has lots of hair, but
it's probably because their origin male was an Ainu, while most of
descendants married with small haired m134.

In China, the Hunwon's place - Hanam, looks like doesn't have much
YAP+ gene,
BUT place more eastern from Hanam (henan) to the sea side(close to
Korea) and more west-southern side closer to tibet has significant
percentage of YAP+ gene.


Well, lastly let's take a look at how much influence Ainu had on
ancient China and Korea history.

Hwangjeh Hunwon - he is WoongCi meaning his last name is 'bear'.
He is supposed to be the first emperor of China!!

Now GonSonCi - GongSonCi is also another name of Hunwon as well as a
name of Aincient Kingdom that was right by the Koguryo.

Koguryo Maek - Maek means some kind of bear symbolized something like
phoenix.
SAMGUKSAGI saids that Koguryo's Ko last name came from KoSin Ci,
which is also descendants of Hunwon.

Silla - Silla region have a story of this queen who is supposed to be
descendants of HwangJeh Hunwon!!

In ancient Korean, there are bunch of places with names suggesting
bear all across Korea both with Chinease character Woong, and Korean
pronounciation Gom.


If YAP+ gene in Korea is only 7%, then it's very possible that woman
side is much closer to Ainu, which is not verified.

Lastly, there are many Korean scholars who are lying about their gene
stuff, because they just hate Japan.

Be aware...

FreddieM

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Jun 8, 2004, 8:59:35 PM6/8/04
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how exciting...


Jim Walsh

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Jun 9, 2004, 1:30:44 AM6/9/04
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On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:34:19 -0700, jaekim thought carefully and wrote:

> I am going to summarize some facts about Ainu and misunderstanding, and
> how much of importance it has on Korean ancient history.
>
> 1. Ainu is NOT white race. This had been claims of some caucasian
> people in the past, but gene analysis proved that Ainu is not Ccaucasian
> nor Cacasoid.

I agree with this, but for a different.

Homo Sapien doesn't have any sub-species or "races". It might have. Many
species do have distinct sub-species (i.e., races), but every group of
humans remained sufficiently constant genetic contact with every other
group to prevent the formation of sub-species.


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Love, Jim


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Musashi

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Jun 9, 2004, 10:44:50 AM6/9/04
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"jaekim" <jki...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I am going to summarize some facts about Ainu and misunderstanding,
> and
> how much of importance it has on Korean ancient history.
>

Jae, the current belief is that the Ainu are the descendants of the Jomon
people
who appear to have been making pottery in Japan abot 10500 years BC.
The Yayoi people, who seem to have crossed over from the Korean penninsula
started showing up around 300 BC. There is nothing anywhere I have seen
making
any connection between Ainu and inhabitants of the Korean penninsula.


jaekim

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Jun 9, 2004, 8:56:28 PM6/9/04
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Jomon probably refers to m130 - the coastal type.
Ainu has completely different haplotype m174.

Ainu composed of 90% m174, and 10% m130.

They have no m175 in Ainu which is a dominent gene in all Asians that
probably makes us having Mongolian eye .

> There is nothing anywhere I have seen
> making
> any connection between Ainu and inhabitants of the Korean penninsula.

You are looking at it right now.

I can't believe that this thing really didn't come out until I figured
it out.

jaekim

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Jun 9, 2004, 9:58:21 PM6/9/04
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Korean scholars are hella confused about their roots right now.

They know somehow they can't identify as Chinese nor Japanese.
And they chose Mongol.

Fairly recently KBS special "Mongolian Route" series that identified
Korean as Mongols.

And quot from one of the series.

"We, Koreans, used to belive we were agricultural people, but
We were horse riding nomadic."

>.,<

Man.. Now, my theory using this gene stuffs, prove that majority of
Koreans basically came from China region. And they followed Hunwon
which is of Ainu origin.

You see Koreans always believed they were agricultural people until
this stupid KBS told us we were nomadic.

The truth is that we had nomadic people who came down to Korea before
these people of Hunwon came.

They were called WAE, that Koreans used to call Japanese.

You see, Koreans were never aware of Ainu through out the history,
although they have this story that defines their root as the
descendants of bear woman.


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