Poo Ying Thai (Thai women)
Thinakorn Tabtieng
>I love this thread! Thai ladies are whores and prostitutes for
>asking a foreign tourist to find them a husband! Riiight. Since you
>probably haven't had such a request, let me assure you that they are
>generally made in a non-serious manner. Perhaps they are expressing
>frustration at not being able to raise their social status and/or
>financial status through marriage in Thailand. Perhaps it's an
>indirect compliment to the foreigner. Anyway, for those who ARE
>serious, there are plenty of marriage bureaus to go to. They sure
>don't have to sit around waiting for a Thai-speaking foreigner with
>access to the net to turn up.
I once went to a high school in BKK (Vajiravuduth Wittayalai) with
a guy also called "Vajara." So I have decided to defend his statement
which I feel has been grossly exaggerated and misconstrued. In particular,
I don't feel Khun Vajara meant or said that any thai girl who asked foreigners
to find her a farang husband is a prostitute. I think he was only referring
to the ladies who worked in the massage parlor, and not to other thai women
in general. Now let's just examine again what Khun Mark wrote regarding this
subject:
>In Khon Khaen their is a traditional Thai Message Parlor. Traditional Thai Mess
age
>is a wonderful experience. It consists of being streched and messaged. It is
>not the same as the more modern sensous message. Two ladies in Khon Khaen are
>also interested in husbands. Both are about 30. Neither are as attractive
>as the first. However, if I were single and getting on in years, I'd love to
>have a wife that would give me a traditional Thai message.
>
>In Bangkok I met several ladies at a Traditional Thai Message parlor that
>said they were interested in American husbands/boyfriends. There were quite
>a few ladies there. Some of the ladies were quite attractive. Others less so.
Now the author clearly stated that he talked to these girls inside the massage
parlor, and we all know what goes on inside these "arb aob nuad" places, right?
I'm certain that the massage parlor khun Mark visited did not have any veteran
licensed professional masseurs who may be old (old master) male or old female,
but only young women. And I hardly doubt that any massage parlor can stay in
business for long if they only provide back massage and not sex. Anyway, I
hope we can all agree what kind of services these girls really provide in
these massage parlors; believe me, I've never heard or known one that do not
provide sexual services in return for money. If you male farangs disagree and
feel strongly that they are legit, I can only suggest that you can save a lot
of time and money by just going to see a chiropractor nearest to your place of
residence.
However, having said that, I do feel that the word "whore" is a derogatorious
term to describe those hardworking women who are trying hard to take care of
themselves and their parents. But Khun Vj has already apologised for saying
that, and we shouldn't continue to misinterpret his statement to include -- all
thai women who ask farang for husbands are prostitutes. I think he was just
trying to say, in general, the majority of thai women don't work or go to
massage parlors to look for farang-husbands or ask farangs to find them husbands.
In fact, I really feel those girls were probably kidding around with khun Mark.
You see, many male foreigners feel these girls whom they meet in bars or
massage parlors really love them and are absolutely honest to them. However,
in reality, these girls usually enter into relationships with foreign customers
out of financial necessity. Before any khun farang who wish to flame me about
this, I just want to repeat that I'm only referring to girls who work in massage
parlors and those bars around areas like "Pat Pong." And "NO," not all male
farangs who go to Thailand patronize these establishments, and I do not look
down on these girls at all; I understand and sympathize with the plights they
are in, and wish them all a brighter future and better life ahead!!
Moreover, I also agree with khun Thanin that SCT was not created as a forum for
marry-minded men/women who want to search for potential spouses on this net.
There are many other forums such as soc.single, soc.penpal, soc.dateless-and-
desperate (I think this one doesn't exist, but you can certainly form one if
anyone wish to :), and so on. I mean it's like posting about quantum physics
in forums such as soc.poetry or rec.classical.music; it's just simply in-
appropriate. Of course, if anyone disagrees, you can certainly continue to post
about this subject. I certainly understand your rights since this is a public
access electronic forum, ok fellas! :)
Now allow me to move the discussion toward the juciest and most controversial
part in which many farangs will likely disagree with me. Contrary to the
beliefs of many farangs who have voiced their opinions on this subject, I feel
that this sort of practice could potentially lead to exploitation of poor
women in the developing countries. I couldn't help remembering about recent
controversial topic which was aired on a "talk show" (Oprah Winfrey, I think)
and reported in some newspaper here in the USA several months ago. It was
about MAIL-ORDER WIVES from Phillipine. More specifically, the talk show that
I watched on TV had several married couples in which the husbands were
Americans and the wives were Phillipinos. One outstanding couple which I could
still recall vividly was an old fat ex-priest (85 years old) with an 18-years
old girl from Phillipine. If I'm not mistaken, the young girl he was with was
his 4th Phillino wives in 10 years. He married one of them thru an American
company which maintains a catalog of young Phillipino girls which can be
obtained for the right price, and the rest he personally went to Phillipine
and paid some money to their families before bringing them back to the US.
When asked by an audience of why the marriages haven't lasted, he responded by
saying all of his phillipino wives had to stay home and could only went out to
any place if he went with them. He added the reason he felt the need to
control them was because he feared they would run away with younger men if
they were left alone. When any wife could not cope any longer and wished to
return home, he would divorce her and go to Phillipine to marry a new wife.
Anyway, to make a long story short, it seems most Phillipino wives come from
very poor family, and they felt obligated to get marry with these foreigners
in order to help their desperate families; the men who seek this type of
service tend to have difficult time finding wives in their home country (in
fact, I remember one female in the audience called these men, "dateless-and-
desperate"); and in all cases, the women were forced to stay home and subject
to control which would be viewed as unacceptable by American standard; and
American women in the audience were basically against the concept of
"mail-order" wives and felt these types of businesses are exploiting poor women
from the developing countries.
Khun Mark, please don't think that I imply you are trying to create this type
of organization. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just simply presenting
another viewpoint which is different from previous posts. I'm sure that you're
a kind and decent man who has helped poor thai children in the past and want to
help those poor husband-seekers back in Khon Kaen.
I have absolutely no problem at all with an American marrying Thai (regardless
of which sex is marrying which sex). In fact, I have many good friends who are
interracial couples (American/Japanese and American/Hongkongnese, etc.).
However, in all of these cases, the women were not in desperate situations and
expected by their parents to enter into marriages in order to bail the families
out of poverty. They were as equal as their partners and made their choices
freely without any expectation from parents, the need to make money to survive,
or just trying to get out of very poor life. In other words, they felt in love
thru an ordinary course of daily life situations.
Again, I want to stress that I'm all for interracial marriages as long as both
parties are operating on a fairly even level of playing field. I have many
thai female friends and would be willing (and have done in the past) to
introduce them to any of my farang friends. I even have a sister (believe me,
she's a knockout; after all, she looks just like her brother :) and would not
mind if a farang wants to marry her as long as she loves him and the guy is a
good person.
In terms of career, I know Thai women have not attained the same economic
security and equality as those women in Taiwan, Hongkong, Japan, and in the
western countries. Therefore, we all should try to create more jobs and more
equitable pay for Thai women. Prostitution should be discouraged in order to
prevent young girls from mental and physical harm (more and more are dying
from AIDS each day).
Again, I have absolutely nothing against those who want to be prostitutes or
want to marry anyone (regardless of race, color, or creed) for money. As long
as they can freely choose, and not forced into it because of some desperate
circumstances or poverty.
Regards,
Thinakorn
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PS: I really would love to hear from any western women as well as thai
women on this subject. So please, please!! All you lovely female
lurkers out there, please respond.
Thinakorn Tabtieng
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Yours truly,
Thinakorn
KKS
Well, Khun Thinakorn. I'll do you a big favor by forwarding this message
to Vajiravud english teachers. Ha! Ha! Ha!
Khwan S.
Teerakiat Kerdcharoen
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another one for my friend. Her name is "Sompratana Krisanakupta"
Wish you all the best. Please let me know if I can do
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Jan Stubbs
>Khun Craig wrote:
>
>
>>In Khon Khaen their is a traditional Thai Message Parlor. Traditional Thai Mess
>age
>>is a wonderful experience. It consists of being streched and messaged. It is
>>not the same as the more modern sensous message. Two ladies in Khon Khaen are
>>also interested in husbands. Both are about 30. Neither are as attractive
>>as the first. However, if I were single and getting on in years, I'd love to
>>have a wife that would give me a traditional Thai message.
>>
>>In Bangkok I met several ladies at a Traditional Thai Message parlor that
>>said they were interested in American husbands/boyfriends. There were quite
>>a few ladies there. Some of the ladies were quite attractive. Others less so.
>
>Now the author clearly stated that he talked to these girls inside the massage
>parlor, and we all know what goes on inside these "arb aob nuad" places, right?
>I'm certain that the massage parlor khun Mark visited did not have any veteran
>licensed professional masseurs who may be old (old master) male or old female,
>but only young women. And I hardly doubt that any massage parlor can stay in
>business for long if they only provide back massage and not sex. Anyway, I
>hope we can all agree what kind of services these girls really provide in
>these massage parlors; believe me, I've never heard or known one that do not
>provide sexual services in return for money. If you male farangs disagree and
>feel strongly that they are legit, I can only suggest that you can save a lot
>of time and money by just going to see a chiropractor nearest to your place of
>residence.
Having been to massage parlors in Bangkok and elsewhere, I can assure you that
usually if the facility advertises Thai traditional massage,
that is all you get.
And they have a mixture of ladies, including young cute ones and older
ones with muscular forearms if that is what you want.
There were many families there, getting their Sunday evening massage after
dinner.
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