What is the meaning of "porn" in Thai?
normanstrong
is the meaning and significance of this syllable (ignoring what it
means in English!)?
Thanks,
Norm Strong
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Frawley411
>isn't it "tower" ??
Depending upon tone and all, it could mean all sorts of things but I'd suspect
"Blessing" is the most likely (given context).
- John Frawley
>"normanstrong" <norman...@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
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>> I've noticed that the syllable "porn" is common in Thai names. What
>> is the meaning and significance of this syllable (ignoring what it
>> means in English!)?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Norm Strong
>
"I dare to say so because I have a long experience in doing things
that noone failed to do them successfully." - Ajarn Supat (05/02/44)
Daniel
"Frawley411" <frawl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > <non...@noname.net> writes:
>
> >isn't it "tower" ??
>
> Depending upon tone and all, it could mean all sorts of things but I'd
suspect
> "Blessing" is the most likely (given context).
>
> - John Frawley
As far as I have been told by the Thai around me, the syllabe Porn used in a
name means nothing, a bit like Dan means nothing in French and AFAIK Fraw
means nothing in English.
A nephew of my wife, working in the advertisement business, told me that his
boss recommends to his customers to avoid the syllabe Porn in latin alphabet
and to replace it by Pon or Poln whenever printing a business card, and ad
or a shop signboard.
Cheers
Daniel
alex
There's no R in it in thai, the "r" is only there to make the vowel longer.
H would do just as well. "pohn" would be far better and less open to silly
farang sniggering and misunderstanding of the word. There must be a few
checking into the Porn Hotel who switch on their TV in the room to be rather
disappointed.
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My Hobby
>
> >isn't it "tower" ??
>
> Depending upon tone and all, it could mean all sorts of things but I'd
suspect
> "Blessing" is the most likely (given context).
>
> - John Frawley
>
taw...@aol.com
I think in most cases it means "Gift from heaven" for example
"Pornthip"
Noi
verifiable_truth
> news:20041212000715...@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > > <non...@noname.net> writes:
> >
> > >isn't it "tower" ??
> >
> > Depending upon tone and all, it could mean all sorts of things but I'd
> suspect
> > "Blessing" is the most likely (given context).
> >
> > - John Frawley
>
> As far as I have been told by the Thai around me, the syllabe Porn used in
a
> name means nothing, a bit like Dan means nothing in French and AFAIK Fraw
> means nothing in English.
WRONG (again!).
> A nephew of my wife, working in the advertisement business, told me that
his
> boss recommends to his customers to avoid the syllabe Porn in latin
alphabet
> and to replace it by Pon or Poln whenever printing a business card, and ad
> or a shop signboard.
A nephew of your wife probably has very little Thai education (may be he,
too, is a foreigner) if he does not know one of the most commomly used
words.
verifiable_truth
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>
> "Frawley411" <frawl...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20041212000715...@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > > <non...@noname.net> writes:
> >
> > >isn't it "tower" ??
> >
> > Depending upon tone and all, it could mean all sorts of things but I'd
> suspect
> > "Blessing" is the most likely (given context).
> >
Excellent!
verifiable_truth
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Not necessary a gift from heaven. For example, parents can give their
children a blessing.
>
> Noi
>
Yangie
> Depending upon tone and all, it could mean all sorts of things but I'd
suspect
> "Blessing" is the most likely (given context).
>
Correct :D
Sandy Cruden
Gift from heaven .................porn sawan...........พรสวรรค์
A person who is gifted or talented in a particular way is said to be "pen
khon thii mii porn sawan" ...... เป็นคนที่มีพรสวรรค์
Sandy
>
verifiable_truth
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If you parse the translation word by word like that, then, you get a
slightly different meaning.
A person who is gifted in playing musical instrument, for example, is said
to have porn-sawan in playing the instrument. I don't think we literally
mean he/she posesses the gift from heaven. We simply mean he/she is gifted.
?????????????? ????????????????????????????????? simply mean Mr. Dum is
gifted in deplomatic matter dealing with the hierarchy in Thai society.
>
> Sandy
> >
>
>
>
Daniel
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>
> "Daniel" <daniel_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3227ikF...@individual.net...
> >
> > "Frawley411" <frawl...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20041212000715...@mb-m22.aol.com...
> > > > <non...@noname.net> writes:
> > >
> > > >isn't it "tower" ??
> > >
> > > Depending upon tone and all, it could mean all sorts of things but I'd
> > suspect
> > > "Blessing" is the most likely (given context).
> > >
> > > - John Frawley
> >
> > As far as I have been told by the Thai around me, the syllabe Porn used
in
> a
> > name means nothing, a bit like Dan means nothing in French and AFAIK
Fraw
> > means nothing in English.
>
>
> WRONG (again!).
No. Confirmed. The 7 Thais who were in my house this Sunday, all educated in
Thailand and several very well educated, confirmed that the syllabe Porn, IN
A NAME OR SURNAME, means nothing.
As usual , verifiable truth did not verified anything.
> > A nephew of my wife, working in the advertisement business, told me that
> his
> > boss recommends to his customers to avoid the syllabe Porn in latin
> alphabet
> > and to replace it by Pon or Poln whenever printing a business card, and
ad
> > or a shop signboard.
>
>
> A nephew of your wife probably has very little Thai education (may be he,
> too, is a foreigner) if he does not know one of the most commomly used
> words.
=====================================
Hey, VT, do a bit of homework before posting. I am a Farang living in
Bangkok with a Thai wife and get Thai family. Alll that has been posted many
times. The nephew is Thai, 25 yo from which he "only" spent 4 years in the
UK to graduate as a graphic designer.
So, I confirm that the Thai having the famours "Porn" in their name or
company name start to get the point and shift to Pohn, Pon or Poln.
As usual , verifiable truth did not verified anything.
VT, verify your pant zipper. If it is open, close it, I don't want you to
get a cold :-)
Daniel
KON DEE
short vowels ) .
---------------
Porn. The "r" is for Brits . Americans simply use "aw" sound .
------------------
Concensus is it means "blessing"
SaWaTDE HaP .
____________ Off Topic __________
How do you limit Google to U.S. only domains ?
KON DEE
Much better than h , is "aw" or "o" in my system !!
Pawn .
But "aw" uses 2 char's . This is bad , harder to learn .
So my 2nd system is "o" for "aw ang " O+ for Sara "O" ,
E = ( Seat,Meat etc ) eu is short , eu+ is long ,
a is " : " or "Mi HaN' " a+ is sara "a" long .
_____________________ spelling __________
Thai consonants GoGI , KoKI , LoLING only wastes space .
Use only the example , as Thais do .
GI_HaN_LING is Gaw Guy MY Hanagat Law Leng .
Use only PeuNG , GI , KI , TONG , etc Bee , Fowl, egg , Flag
PeuNG_Ma is "POM" but if you are novice , you'll need to spell it
out more . You'll need to PeuNG_implied "O"_Mo_Ma
There is no more intuitive system . I don't like to be correct for
the delay in learning street Thai .
BTW useful THai words :
MI KaO( falling) JI . Don'y understand
GLI GLI ( high tone and short ) = Near , not far .
GLI+ ( low tone , slowly sadly ) it is very far .
Po DE = You overpay someone ....They say "Po DE" sufficient ,
good
MI Po . It's lacking , i need more .
Po JI is one who is generous or fullfilled . One never satisfied is MI
Po JI .
DI DI DI Hap . I can DO , for sure ,
ROT TUa. long haul busses . ROT Me. in city busses . ROT dTU vans (
sounds "D" but
later you'll need to distinguish it from "D" in DeK ) .
ROT SoNG TaO . 2 "row" truck . ( ROT ) TUK TUK . tiny trucks or 3
wheelers .
MI TaN ROT TUa . Not catch BUS .
FaNG PaSa TI , MI TaN . Listen Thai , can't catch . i don't follow
Thai lang'
PI NI HaP . Where are you going .
PI LæO . You should have gone by now . GO allready .
KON DEE
thii , mii sounds same ? Thai MYI .
explain pls
taw...@aol.com
Thai language by a bunch of "Farangs" ! Okay, here goes, let me try
to brush up on my Thai language.
Many Thai words have their origin in Sanskrit language. For example,
the word "Thip" means extra ordinary good and can only be found
from the heavenly realm. Therefore, the name "Pornthip" the closest
English translation would be "Omniscient", or literally means
"Heavenly Vision".
Another example of a common Thai name which contain the word
"porn" is "Jiraporn". The word "Jira", if I remembered
correctly also has it origin from Sanskrit language, which means,
beautiful and happy. Hence, the word "Jiraporn" means "Heavenly
beautiful and happy".
Generally speaking, the name that contained the word "porn" is
usually used in conjunction with another word (usually use with another
noun).
However, when the word "porn" is used with a verb, it usually means
"blessing": for example, the word "hai porn", is explicitly
means "give blessing" or "Rub Porn" means "receive
blessing".
Noi
verifiable_truth
Daniel, you are making a fool of yourself here. I would give the 7 Thais in
your house a little more credit than your interpretation (i.e., I believe,
some how, the communications broke down, and they don't know what were you
talking about).
I am not criticize you or any foreigner for not knowing Thai langauge -- I
just try to tell you "what it is" from the perspective of a Thai.
In fact, I don't know if any Thai name that does bear some sort of meanings.
Unlike, the West, a person name (such as Bob, Dick, Ken, etc.) which may (or
may not) have any meaning, Thai names, in MOST cases, are associated with
some sort of meanings either taking from Bali or Sanskrit root. Names such
as Somporn, Pornchai, Pornthip, Pornthep, Siriporn, Patanaporn, and many
thousands more all have meanings. Thai surnames in particular, ALWAYS, bear
some sorts of meanings. People would go out of their ways to decorate their
last names with bagful of goods. That is why Thai last names are very
lengthy!
It's up to you if you don't believe me. If you want to make a fool out of
yourself -- do so. But please don't drag any other Thai for such reference.
Listen, this is NOT a contest of knowledge, as a Thai, I just try to get
this information straight.
> > > A nephew of my wife, working in the advertisement business, told me
that
> > his
> > > boss recommends to his customers to avoid the syllabe Porn in latin
> > alphabet
> > > and to replace it by Pon or Poln whenever printing a business card,
and
> ad
> > > or a shop signboard.
> >
> >
> > A nephew of your wife probably has very little Thai education (may be
he,
> > too, is a foreigner) if he does not know one of the most commomly used
> > words.
> =====================================
> Hey, VT, do a bit of homework before posting. I am a Farang living in
> Bangkok with a Thai wife and get Thai family. Alll that has been posted
many
> times. The nephew is Thai, 25 yo from which he "only" spent 4 years in the
> UK to graduate as a graphic designer.
I am a Thai, speak Thai for the past 40 years, graduated from Chulalongkorn
University (BS EE) and Rice University (MS EE). But what does that got to
do with this simple matter. Daniel, perhaps, educated scholars in this NG
(who in my view are qualified to teach Thai to Farangs) such as John
Sharman, Jopha, and Rinpoche could explain this simple fact to you.
> So, I confirm that the Thai having the famours "Porn" in their name or
> company name start to get the point and shift to Pohn, Pon or Poln.
> As usual , verifiable truth did not verified anything.
> VT, verify your pant zipper. If it is open, close it, I don't want you to
> get a cold :-)
My pant zipper only come off when I see French ladies. They are nice, the
BEST, I just love and respect them.
> Daniel
>
>
verifiable_truth
<taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> This is interesting, I am a Thai woman and being lectured about the
> Thai language by a bunch of "Farangs" ! Okay, here goes, let me try
> to brush up on my Thai language.
??????????? ????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????
????... ??????????????????????????? ???????????????
????????????????????????????... ???????????
>
> Many Thai words have their origin in Sanskrit language. For example,
> the word "Thip" means extra ordinary good and can only be found
> from the heavenly realm. Therefore, the name "Pornthip" the closest
> English translation would be "Omniscient", or literally means
> "Heavenly Vision".
>
> Another example of a common Thai name which contain the word
> "porn" is "Jiraporn". The word "Jira", if I remembered
> correctly also has it origin from Sanskrit language, which means,
> beautiful and happy. Hence, the word "Jiraporn" means "Heavenly
> beautiful and happy".
>
> Generally speaking, the name that contained the word "porn" is
> usually used in conjunction with another word (usually use with another
> noun).
>
> However, when the word "porn" is used with a verb, it usually means
> "blessing": for example, the word "hai porn", is explicitly
> means "give blessing" or "Rub Porn" means "receive
> blessing".
???????????????????? ??... ????????????????????????????????
?????????????????????
... ????????????????????????? ??????... ??????????????
verifiable_truth
<taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> This is interesting, I am a Thai woman and being lectured about the
> Thai language by a bunch of "Farangs" ! Okay, here goes, let me try
> to brush up on my Thai language.
>
??????????? ????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????
??... ??????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????
???????????
> Many Thai words have their origin in Sanskrit language. For example,
> the word "Thip" means extra ordinary good and can only be found
> from the heavenly realm. Therefore, the name "Pornthip" the closest
> English translation would be "Omniscient", or literally means
> "Heavenly Vision".
>
> Another example of a common Thai name which contain the word
> "porn" is "Jiraporn". The word "Jira", if I remembered
> correctly also has it origin from Sanskrit language, which means,
> beautiful and happy. Hence, the word "Jiraporn" means "Heavenly
> beautiful and happy".
>
> Generally speaking, the name that contained the word "porn" is
> usually used in conjunction with another word (usually use with another
> noun).
>
> However, when the word "porn" is used with a verb, it usually means
> "blessing": for example, the word "hai porn", is explicitly
> means "give blessing" or "Rub Porn" means "receive
> blessing".
???????????????? ?????????????????????... ??????????????????....
Daniel
I am not posting here since long and know neither your past posting here not
your background.
But, reading your recent posts, I have great difficulties to believe that
you are Thai:
Insults, aggressive tone, etc...
Moreover, an educated graduated Thai who write English as well as or better
than me.
Hard to believe or to understand.
Post whatever you wish re. Thai language, I was only reporting what I have
been told and little polemics are always interesting, so go ahead, no
problem.
But if you could do it in a more toned-down way, it would most probably
prevent some people here to give you names, you know what I mean, and some
people like me to feel like arguing negatively with you whenever possible.
If you were a Farang, I would consider you as a semi-troll, not to say a
troll.
But, if you really are Thai, you are one of those few Thai posters we have
here and I would really be pleased to see you posting in a constructive way.
I would jump on all your post and, even if disagreeing, replying in a
discussion way, not a polemical way.
And, just in case but you may know that already, most of the Farangs
dislikes agressive expressions and used them, in real life, only when they
consider it absolutely necessary. For those Farangs who know a bit Thailand,
they will not use that with Thai people except if they are first agressed,
with some exceptions, such as being verbally agressed by drunken Thais in a
bar: Don't reply, run away :-)
Cheers
Daniel
Daniel
<taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> This is interesting, I am a Thai woman and being lectured about the
> Thai language by a bunch of "Farangs" ! Okay, here goes, let me try
> to brush up on my Thai language.
>
> Many Thai words have their origin in Sanskrit language. For example,
> the word "Thip" means extra ordinary good and can only be found
> from the heavenly realm. Therefore, the name "Pornthip" the closest
> English translation would be "Omniscient", or literally means
> "Heavenly Vision".
>
> Another example of a common Thai name which contain the word
> "porn" is "Jiraporn". The word "Jira", if I remembered
> correctly also has it origin from Sanskrit language, which means,
> beautiful and happy. Hence, the word "Jiraporn" means "Heavenly
> beautiful and happy".
>
> Generally speaking, the name that contained the word "porn" is
> usually used in conjunction with another word (usually use with another
> noun).
>
> However, when the word "porn" is used with a verb, it usually means
> "blessing": for example, the word "hai porn", is explicitly
> means "give blessing" or "Rub Porn" means "receive
> blessing".
>
> Noi
Hi Khun Noi,
At last some Thai lights, thanks.
Plus the one of VT who is, as far as he wrote, also Thai (To my surprise)
and whose explanations are near from yours and, by the way, matching also
more or less the one of Sandy Cruden. So, case close from my end, except a
small question: Why several Thai people from my family and friends couldn't
manage to give me that sort of explanation and told that in a name or
surname Porn has no meaning?
Further to all the posts mentioned above, I wish to re-open my little
argument with them but your opinion would help not to look like toughly
teasing them, thanks.
Now, you wrote: I am a Thai woman and being lectured about the Thai language
by a bunch of "Farangs".
I am positively sure that the bunch of Farangs participating to that post
had no intention to lecture you not any of the few Thai posters we have at
SCT.
To the contrary, look at that bunch of Farang struggling and arguing between
themselves about your language, and ask yourself the question: Why they are
trying to improve their knowledge of your language?
Think about it, then smile and be proud when you will find why :-)
Sheers
Daniel
Fred Nurk
Thats a easy one. Most native speakers know less about there
language than people from abroad who have studied it. Native
speakers with low education arent always tha best ta explain
somethin about a language. Id have ta refer ta a book ta know
what tha meanins of english surnames or firstnames is. Actually
you can buy these books an tha women just love em. A lot of
women will tell ya all about there kids names cause they got em
outta some book that describes em in detail.
> Further to all the posts mentioned above, I wish to re-open my little
> argument with them but your opinion would help not to look like toughly
> teasing them, thanks.
Come on daniel ya get a kick outta 'toughly teasing' them dont ya?
>
> Now, you wrote: I am a Thai woman and being lectured about the Thai language
> by a bunch of "Farangs".
Well Id have thought it a bit weird meself.
>
> I am positively sure that the bunch of Farangs participating to that post
> had no intention to lecture you not any of the few Thai posters we have at
> SCT.
Pity there aint no native thai language scholars here.
> To the contrary, look at that bunch of Farang struggling and arguing between
> themselves about your language, and ask yourself the question: Why they are
> trying to improve their knowledge of your language?
> Think about it, then smile and be proud when you will find why :-)
I could think of reason she wouldnt be proud of.
>
> Sheers
> Daniel
>
fnurk
Xtile
>
> Another example of a common Thai name which contain the word
> "porn" is "Jiraporn". The word "Jira", if I remembered
> correctly also has it origin from Sanskrit language, which means,
> beautiful and happy. Hence, the word "Jiraporn" means "Heavenly
> beautiful and happy".
What would "Waraporn" mean?
Fred Nurk
Interestin! I also know a waraporn. Also a siriporn, jiraporn
and somporn. Siriporn though spells her name siripron but
pronounces it like it was siriporn. One of them silent 'r'??
fnurk
Johpa Deumlaokeng
>> small question: Why several Thai people from my family and friends couldn't
>> manage to give me that sort of explanation and told that in a name or
>> surname Porn has no meaning?
>
>Thats a easy one. Most native speakers know less about there
>language than people from abroad who have studied it. Native
>speakers with low education arent always tha best ta explain
>somethin about a language.
Very few highly educated speakers of English can explain the meaning of common
first names and common family names used in English. And the vast majority of
those names do indeed have roots with meaning just as do most syllables in
multisyallabic Thai names.
What is commonly spelled as "Porn" in Thai names is, according to my trusty
Haas dictionary, still the definitive Thai-English tome, a word for blessings.
Happy Trails
Johpa
Daniel
"Fred Nurk" <fred...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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She have one.
She is Thai and several posters here are Farangs who love Thailand.
And are struggling to learn more.
Like me :-)
Cheers
Daniel
Daniel
"KON DEE" <ZZ...@swissinfo.org> wrote in message
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>
> Hey Daniel , it did not go far enough to be classed as troll or
> abusive .
>
> Why don't you get over your problem .
>
> It's perfectly OK to disagree with some one . That don't deserve a
>
> TROLL accusation .
>
> Try to provide some help here , maybe you could teach some THai
>
> if you knew any . Do something positive instead of just complaining .
===============================>
Hi Kon Dee,
??????????????
Google SCT, then Daniel and then come back with something more clear.
I didn't got your point, are you VT?
He is the one I was talking to ...............
I have never ever replied to any of your posts ????
That being stated, this NG is confusing enough to explain your reply.
If you read my post as directed to you, then realised later that this first
thinking was wrong, please do not apologise. No need, I have done the same
many times :-)
Cheers
Daniel
> ____________________________ Thai ______________
>
> MI SHI is a strong "no way" .
>
> But Thais say a polite "Mi SHI" to mean i can't accept/won't do it.
>
> MI ToNG ( MY Tawng) means "it is not necessary/not needed"
>
> Must i pay the Thai person ......answer "MI ToNG .
>
> MI WaNG is "not available" as in no vacancy ( something big )
>
> But "MI ME" aHaN FaLaNG is used for smaller things like food .
>
> here MI ME is used instead of MI WaNG .
>
> Lemon grass ( a poor substitute ) is used in Asia for they can not
> raise lemons .
>
> But Holy Basil ( not avail in the west) is really great on Thai meat
> dishes .
>
> Try GRaTEaM GaPRaO MU . It stores NOT AT ALL ! Some H' Basil
>
> in frig and some not , all went black quickly ! Forget about dried !!!
>
> I love garlic and i've seen it for $0.40 a kilo . I microwave it in
> short bursts
>
> of 3 seconds, 4 times to completely remove the bite .
>
> Cashews are not low priced . It's the quality . You can't get high
> quality
>
> even in China Town BKK ( YaO WaRaT ) . 200 baht for 10 kilos , but it
>
> is not U.S.A. quality .
>
> They have a slight "peanut" flavor not tasted in the U.S. . They are
> not same .
>
> The beer sucks bad , all alcohol , no taste at all . The bread and
> milk pdts ar OK ,
>
verifiable_truth
>
> "verifiable_truth" <verifiab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1102990437.9250b4f47e541e3845a0b01f266113b7@teranews...
> >
> Chulalongkorn
> > University (BS EE) and Rice University (MS EE). But what does that got
to
> > do with this simple matter. Daniel, perhaps, educated scholars in this
NG
> > (who in my view are qualified to teach Thai to Farangs) such as John
> > Sharman, Jopha, and Rinpoche could explain this simple fact to you.
> >
> >
> >
> I am not posting here since long and know neither your past posting here
not
> your background.
> But, reading your recent posts, I have great difficulties to believe that
> you are Thai:
> Insults, aggressive tone, etc...
> Moreover, an educated graduated Thai who write English as well as or
better
> than me. Hard to believe or to understand.
Perhaps, you are one of those Farangs who are accustomed to subordinate
Thais -- having a view of, some what, tone-down Thais who dare not look at
Farangs in the eyes, will always smile with a friendly face, and will say
"Yes" to whatever Farang's command. Sorry if I disappointed you.
Do you really believe most Thai people are so passive, simple minded, and
uneducated that way... ? Deep inside those, seemingly unsophisticated, Thai
folks, do you know what they really think of (and speak of) Farangs who
behave as if dollar$ could buy them all? Daniel, you don't want to know
because it will disappoint you... much more than my (according to you)
aggressive tone. I simply am a Thai who speak my mind -- what's wrong with
that? And what's wrong with having some of us Thai educated?
Yes, Thailand is still a fantasy land for those Farangs who glance at her
through a view of dollar$ sign.
> Post whatever you wish re. Thai language, I was only reporting what I have
> been told and little polemics are always interesting, so go ahead, no
> problem.
> But if you could do it in a more toned-down way, it would most probably
> prevent some people here to give you names, you know what I mean, and some
> people like me to feel like arguing negatively with you whenever possible.
>
Give me any name you want. And I will express my view the way a Thai feel.
For example, according to Fred Nurk -- CarLost is a Tight Tart who made a
big deal for saving a few bucks at the Zoo (BTW, he loves his donkey there
:). I happened to agree with Fred -- the asshole is a Tight Tart who flashs
his driver license begging for discount$. Some Farangs complain about being
charged for the entrance fee (I believe it is 200 Baht each) at Wat
Phrakaew. Damn it that is only 5 bucks! (a fraction of they paid for the
Disney Land entrance). Hey, my ancestors paid for such natural treasure
with our blood!
> If you were a Farang, I would consider you as a semi-troll, not to say a
> troll.
> But, if you really are Thai, you are one of those few Thai posters we have
> here and I would really be pleased to see you posting in a constructive
way.
> I would jump on all your post and, even if disagreeing, replying in a
> discussion way, not a polemical way.
>
> And, just in case but you may know that already, most of the Farangs
> dislikes agressive expressions and used them, in real life, only when they
> consider it absolutely necessary.
Oh... C'mon... I've seen them all.
> For those Farangs who know a bit Thailand,
> they will not use that with Thai people except if they are first agressed,
> with some exceptions, such as being verbally agressed by drunken Thais in
a
> bar: Don't reply, run away :-)
So is it your view that for those non-submissive Thais... they must be
drunk to raise their voices against Farangs?
>
> Cheers
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
verifiable_truth
verifiable_truth
>
> Sorry, I can't understand all your question marks!
>
> Noi
> verifiable_truth wrote:
> > <taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1102988259.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > This is interesting, I am a Thai woman and being lectured about the
> > > Thai language by a bunch of "Farangs" ! Okay, here goes, let me try
> > > to brush up on my Thai language.
> >
> >
> > ??????????? ?????????????????????????????????
> ?????????????????????????
> > ????... ??????????????????????????? ???????????????
> > ????????????????????????????... ???????????
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Many Thai words have their origin in Sanskrit language. For
> example,
> > > the word "Thip" means extra ordinary good and can only be found
> > > from the heavenly realm. Therefore, the name "Pornthip" the closest
> > > English translation would be "Omniscient", or literally means
> > > "Heavenly Vision".
> > >
> > > Another example of a common Thai name which contain the word
> > > "porn" is "Jiraporn". The word "Jira", if I remembered
> > > correctly also has it origin from Sanskrit language, which means,
> > > beautiful and happy. Hence, the word "Jiraporn" means "Heavenly
> > > beautiful and happy".
> > >
> > > Generally speaking, the name that contained the word "porn" is
> > > usually used in conjunction with another word (usually use with
> another
> > > noun).
> > >
> > > However, when the word "porn" is used with a verb, it usually means
> > > "blessing": for example, the word "hai porn", is explicitly
> > > means "give blessing" or "Rub Porn" means "receive
> > > blessing".
> >
> >
> > ???????????????????? ??... ????????????????????????????????
> > ?????????????????????
> > ... ????????????????????????? ??????... ??????????????
> >
Fred Nurk
Hey daniel I can introduce ya ta thais who speak english better
than the average farlang. Just depends on where they studied
english and what level there other studies were. Knew one thai
girl what had almost no thai accent after she been studyin here
fer 5 years.
> Hard to believe or to understand.
> Post whatever you wish re. Thai language, I was only reporting what I have
> been told and little polemics are always interesting, so go ahead, no
> problem.
> But if you could do it in a more toned-down way, it would most probably
> prevent some people here to give you names, you know what I mean, and some
> people like me to feel like arguing negatively with you whenever possible.
Now now now daniel.
>
> If you were a Farang, I would consider you as a semi-troll, not to say a
> troll.
> But, if you really are Thai, you are one of those few Thai posters we have
> here and I would really be pleased to see you posting in a constructive way.
> I would jump on all your post and, even if disagreeing, replying in a
> discussion way, not a polemical way.
A thai who isnt at least a little bit agressive wouldnt be
postin here daniel. To many know it all farlangs tryin ta shout
em down.
>
> And, just in case but you may know that already, most of the Farangs
> dislikes agressive expressions and used them, in real life, only when they
> consider it absolutely necessary. For those Farangs who know a bit Thailand,
Ya dont know to many aussies I see.
> they will not use that with Thai people except if they are first agressed,
> with some exceptions, such as being verbally agressed by drunken Thais in a
> bar: Don't reply, run away :-)
>
One of tha things ya learn about thais an there mai pen rai
attitude daniel is that they bottle all there emotions up. Dont
be near a thai when tha bottle bursts mate else youll be in fer
a shock. Thais is just like evryone else when it comes ta there
emotions. Its just they can constrain em longer is all.
> Cheers
> Daniel
fnurk
Fred Nurk
> "KON DEE" <ZZ...@swissinfo.org> wrote in message
> news:1103037288....@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Hey Daniel , it did not go far enough to be classed as troll or
>>abusive .
>>
>>Why don't you get over your problem .
>>
>>It's perfectly OK to disagree with some one . That don't deserve a
>>
>>TROLL accusation .
>>
>>Try to provide some help here , maybe you could teach some THai
>>
>>if you knew any . Do something positive instead of just complaining .
>
> ===============================>
> Hi Kon Dee,
> ??????????????
> Google SCT, then Daniel and then come back with something more clear.
> I didn't got your point, are you VT?
Simple point daniel. What he said was that ya came on a bit
heavy with yer troll accusation. I tend ta agree.
> He is the one I was talking to ...............
> I have never ever replied to any of your posts ????
You posted inta a public forum.
>
> That being stated, this NG is confusing enough to explain your reply.
> If you read my post as directed to you, then realised later that this first
> thinking was wrong, please do not apologise. No need, I have done the same
Hey daniel its a public forum an anyone can reply ta any post if
they feel a need. If ya want ta direct somethin ta one person
only then ya should email it ta tha bugger an not post it here.
That would be tha polite way ta do it. A post here is a PUBLIC
invite ta comment, nothin more nor less.
> many times :-)
> Cheers
> Daniel
>
fnurk
<snip>
Daniel
No, you don't, but I am not one of those Farangs you described.
I left my home country in 1981 and lived in many countries, Middle East and
S.E. Asia.
I have seen that sort of Farangs everywhere.
Within the French community, we call them the "colonialists" as they behave
as our forefathers behaved a century ago.
That time is over, a very good thing BTW, and we are not all like that.
I am pretty sure that a large part of the Farang established in Thailand are
not like that. Please note that I am talking about the established Farangs,
not the tourists, especially the sex-tourists.
> Do you really believe most Thai people are so passive, simple minded, and
> uneducated that way... ? Deep inside those, seemingly unsophisticated,
Thai
> folks, do you know what they really think of (and speak of) Farangs who
> behave as if dollar$ could buy them all? Daniel, you don't want to know
> because it will disappoint you... much more than my (according to you)
> aggressive tone. I simply am a Thai who speak my mind -- what's wrong
with
> that? And what's wrong with having some of us Thai educated?
====================================
No, I don't believe, I have got some tense time already with some Thai
business partners as well as some arguments with my wife.
I also remember a difficult discussion with a computer shop owner who give
me back my PC repaired but with all my documents disapeared. He was thinking
that I was accusing him of thief, I was thinking he made a stupid
mistake...Tense, tense. We realised after this rather hot time that his
employee made a back up of all my stuff before performing the repair.
But all those "conflicts" went with both parties having maybe a very grin
face but a clean vocabulary and no shouting.
I can also state that school education has nothing to see with social
behaviour. One can be a PhD and act as a very rude chap while Nong Chai, the
owner of my preferred noddles stall, is a very well mannered gentleman with
whom I had several interesting conversations, with the help of my personal
translator.
> Yes, Thailand is still a fantasy land for those Farangs who glance at her
> through a view of dollar$ sign.
=============================
Fully agreed. You rightly wrote "for those Farangs". Please consider that
"those" are not "all".
And consider also that, maybe, the Farangs who settled in Thailand for good
are living here because they are fed-up of those guys and that style. Except
the Pattaya bar owners, for sure :-)
> > Post whatever you wish re. Thai language, I was only reporting what I
have
> > been told and little polemics are always interesting, so go ahead, no
> > problem.
> > But if you could do it in a more toned-down way, it would most probably
> > prevent some people here to give you names, you know what I mean, and
some
> > people like me to feel like arguing negatively with you whenever
possible.
> >
>
> Give me any name you want. And I will express my view the way a Thai
feel.
> For example, according to Fred Nurk -- CarLost is a Tight Tart who made a
> big deal for saving a few bucks at the Zoo (BTW, he loves his donkey there
> :). I happened to agree with Fred -- the asshole is a Tight Tart who
flashs
> his driver license begging for discount$. Some Farangs complain about
being
> charged for the entrance fee (I believe it is 200 Baht each) at Wat
> Phrakaew. Damn it that is only 5 bucks! (a fraction of they paid for the
> Disney Land entrance). Hey, my ancestors paid for such natural treasure
> with our blood!
===================================
I am now used to pay more than my wife whenever we visit some places
together. I don't complain, 5 bucks as you said. But when I first discovered
that, I was surprised. Please, read it well, surprised, not furious. We
don't have that in the West. Discounted entrance fees at Museum, Zoos,
etc... are usually available for the students, the elderly, the handicapped,
etc... but that is whatever is their nationality. So, we are all surprised
and some find it discriminatory, grining at it without considering the real
cost. I can pay 200 Bahts, no problem but Nong Shai of my noddle stall
cannot afford it. He ask for 20 Bahts for a bowl of the best noddles of this
planet...
I wonder why the Authorities agrree to extend the Thai price to the Farang
who are living here full time. Maybe we are supposed to be poorer than the
Farang still living in Farangland?
> > If you were a Farang, I would consider you as a semi-troll, not to say a
> > troll.
> > But, if you really are Thai, you are one of those few Thai posters we
have
> > here and I would really be pleased to see you posting in a constructive
> way.
> > I would jump on all your post and, even if disagreeing, replying in a
> > discussion way, not a polemical way.
> >
> > And, just in case but you may know that already, most of the Farangs
> > dislikes agressive expressions and used them, in real life, only when
they
> > consider it absolutely necessary.
>
> Oh... C'mon... I've seen them all.
===================================
If by "all" you mean all the Farangs, I have to say that you missed quite a
number of them.
Don't conclude with what you see of the tourists and the arsholes, there is
a 3rd category as mentioned above. Some of those 3rd category guys post
here.
> > For those Farangs who know a bit Thailand,
> > they will not use that with Thai people except if they are first
agressed,
> > with some exceptions, such as being verbally agressed by drunken Thais
in
> a
> > bar: Don't reply, run away :-)
>
> So is it your view that for those non-submissive Thais... they must be
drunk to raise their voices against Farangs?
====================================
No, but the large majority of the Thai who become violent in public at
foreigners are drunk.
Raising you voice to stand on your argument is not violent unless violent
words are used for such.
Thai people, as all people in this world, can be violent.
As I have done everywhere, I tried to learn as quickly as possible what may
push a Thai to become violent, as the reasons differ from a culture to
another. Crimes for money or power not included in that.
Well, the sole Thais who had some verbal real violence at me were drunks,
one scary incident only after 2 years full time and 8 years part time in
Thailand.
By the way, this Thai attitude is part of the reasons who let me established
here.
My wife is for sure reason one, this attitude the No.2. I am here becasue of
the Thai people, not because of the beauty of the Thai landscape, on that
Malaysia and Vietnam can compete, not the business prospects, there also
some neighbours can compete.
Cheers
Daniel
Fred Nurk
>
>>Post whatever you wish re. Thai language, I was only reporting what I have
>>been told and little polemics are always interesting, so go ahead, no
>>problem.
>>But if you could do it in a more toned-down way, it would most probably
>>prevent some people here to give you names, you know what I mean, and some
>>people like me to feel like arguing negatively with you whenever possible.
>>
>
>
> Give me any name you want. And I will express my view the way a Thai feel.
> For example, according to Fred Nurk -- CarLost is a Tight Tart who made a
> big deal for saving a few bucks at the Zoo (BTW, he loves his donkey there
> :). I happened to agree with Fred -- the asshole is a Tight Tart who flashs
> his driver license begging for discount$. Some Farangs complain about being
> charged for the entrance fee (I believe it is 200 Baht each) at Wat
> Phrakaew. Damn it that is only 5 bucks! (a fraction of they paid for the
> Disney Land entrance). Hey, my ancestors paid for such natural treasure
> with our blood!
>
his pension livin in tha only place he can affaord ta live an
still wants us ta believe hes a big wheel in tha computer
industry. Shit, he gets all his latest info of cnet an similar
websites. Anyone can do that! Trouble is he dont know shit from
clay when it comes ta up ta date computer stuff. He sure proved
that right quick enough. He should get aotta that village an
down ta bangkok where theres some real activity.
>
>
>
>>If you were a Farang, I would consider you as a semi-troll, not to say a
>>troll.
>>But, if you really are Thai, you are one of those few Thai posters we have
>>here and I would really be pleased to see you posting in a constructive
>
> way.
>
>>I would jump on all your post and, even if disagreeing, replying in a
>>discussion way, not a polemical way.
>>
>>And, just in case but you may know that already, most of the Farangs
>>dislikes agressive expressions and used them, in real life, only when they
>>consider it absolutely necessary.
>
>
> Oh... C'mon... I've seen them all.
>
fnurk
Frawley411
<fred...@optusnet.com.au> writes:
>> But, reading your recent posts, I have great difficulties to believe that
>> you are Thai:
>> Insults, aggressive tone, etc...
>> Moreover, an educated graduated Thai who write English as well as or better
>> than me.
>
>Hey daniel I can introduce ya ta thais who speak english better
>than the average farlang. Just depends on where they studied
>english and what level there other studies were. Knew one thai
>girl what had almost no thai accent after she been studyin here
>fer 5 years.
Right. He has indicated that he completed a Masters degree at a U.S.
University (Rice). Now the lovely Nam Peung also received advanced degrees
from a U.S. university but her english language writing skills are only
marginally better than Daniel's. Some people have more of a knack for learning
language than others.
Chok Dee!
- John Frawley
"I dare to say so because I have a long experience in doing things
that noone failed to do them successfully." - Ajarn Supat (05/02/44)
KON DEE
Hey Daniel , it did not go far enough to be classed as troll or
abusive .
Why don't you get over your problem .
It's perfectly OK to disagree with some one . That don't deserve a
TROLL accusation .
Try to provide some help here , maybe you could teach some THai
if you knew any . Do something positive instead of just complaining .
KON DEE
taw...@aol.com
Sorry, I can't understand all your question marks!
Noi
taw...@aol.com
If I remembered correctly the word "Wara" has it roots in Pali language
means "chosen", hence, "Waraporn" means " Chosen by heaven". If I am
wrong please understand that I haven't been living in Thailand for such
a long time.
Noi
Yamamoto
| verifiable_truth wrote:
| > "Daniel" <daniel_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:3285raF...@individual.net...
| > Perhaps, you are one of those Farangs who are accustomed to subordinate
| > Thais -- having a view of, some what, tone-down Thais who dare not look
at
| > Farangs in the eyes, will always smile with a friendly face, and will
say
| > "Yes" to whatever Farang's command. Sorry if I disappointed you.
| >
| > Do you really believe most Thai people are so passive, simple minded,
and
| > uneducated that way... ? Deep inside those, seemingly unsophisticated,
Thai
| > folks, do you know what they really think of (and speak of) Farangs who
| > behave as if dollar$ could buy them all? Daniel, you don't want to know
| > because it will disappoint you... much more than my (according to you)
| > aggressive tone. I simply am a Thai who speak my mind -- what's wrong
with
| > that? And what's wrong with having some of us Thai educated?
| >
| > Yes, Thailand is still a fantasy land for those Farangs who glance at
her
| > through a view of dollar$ sign.
| >
| Yep they sure do think its a fantasy land.
It is for sure.
Where else can you obtain 420 Baht discount on a 500 Baht ticket?
For that money you can have 2 short times with a Thai girl and have a good
meal at the next noodle stall.
Yeeeeehaaw !!!!!
From the SCT archives:
Subject: Re: article about "student prostitution"
And of course the prositution culture of Thailand ( and this has nothing to
do
with visting Farangs) the focus upon massage parlors, teahouses (for the
Chinese), and outright brothels not to mention the ubiquity of mia nois
amongst
even the middle class has had no impact upon Thai youth.
So the young girl or boy in college figures that if it is OK for daddy to
squander the family's money on young lasses then perhaps I too should become
such a young lad or lass.
But no, not for our esteemed journalists at the Bangkok Post when it is just
so
much easier to avoid looking in the mirror and blame those western bastards
who
dare to be seen in public with hookers, of my gosh over the age of 21,
unthinkable to Thai men.
Chaiyo!
Subject: Re: Thailand residence permit
Well I suppose if you were the world's best golfer and your mother was a
Thai you would be be able to get one. AFAIK Tiger does not have one but
undoubtedly he could.
Then you might be an American billionaire married to a former Thai Miss
World called Pui. I've no doubt he would have residency if he wanted it.
You may be a world famous rock star recently married to a Thai girl. I
think Phil Collins may be able to get Thai residency if he so desires.
If your name is David Beckam you would get one delivered to your hotel 15
minutes after asking for it
Get the picture?
Sandy
Ah, Freddie Kruger.
Nice to see how I become an obsession for you.
People in SCT even notices that you are making a fool of yourself.
| There he is on
| his pension livin in tha only place he can affaord ta live an
| still wants us ta believe hes a big wheel in tha computer
| industry.
You believe what you want, I dont make you believe anything.
On the otherhand, you want us to belive that you are a businness tycoon
while the only thing you have is a brothel with 6 Thai hookers.
Now, what story would I believe.
| Shit, he gets all his latest info of cnet an similar
| websites. Anyone can do that! Trouble is he dont know shit from
| clay when it comes ta up ta date computer stuff.
Freddie knows it all.
He baught "396" computers at a flea market.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
| He sure proved
| that right quick enough. He should get aotta that village an
| down ta bangkok where theres some real activity.
No way, I wouldn;t want to live in Bangkok even for free.
Bangkok is not real Thailand.
But it's the place where you get your 6 hookers and braught them to
Australia.
Hey Freddie Kruger, tell us again how you converted them to EX hookers (your
post yesterday).
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
| >>If you were a Farang, I would consider you as a semi-troll, not to say a
| >>troll.
| >>But, if you really are Thai, you are one of those few Thai posters we
have
| >>here and I would really be pleased to see you posting in a constructive
| >
| > way.
| >
| >>I would jump on all your post and, even if disagreeing, replying in a
| >>discussion way, not a polemical way.
| >>
| >>And, just in case but you may know that already, most of the Farangs
| >>dislikes agressive expressions and used them, in real life, only when
they
| >>consider it absolutely necessary.
| >
| >
| > Oh... C'mon... I've seen them all.
| >
| Yep. spot on.
Yep, spot on Freddie and his 6 Thai hookers.
ROTFLMAO
Not Cheers,
Carlos
| fnurk
verifiable_truth
>
> "verifiable_truth" <verifiab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:41bf...@nntp.zianet.com...
> >
> >
I don't know why some Farangs should think it is a form a discrimination to
charge them, and not Thai citizens, the entrance fees to visit our national
treasures (Wat Phrakaew, for example). I wonder if those Farangs ever
realize that:
(1) Our ancestors had fought with their lives, loosing limps, and
sacrificing blood to protect our country and maintain those national
treasures -- our pride,
(2) We are the citizens who have the birth rights to our country and the
national treasures (just like you have the right to whatever you own in your
home),
(3) It is a duty of Thai citizens to protect their country -- either through
the draft process, national guard training (so-called "Rau Dau" as I served
during my highschool years and through the college years at Chula), or
through volunteering.
Perhaps, those Farangs who cry foul should ask themselves these questions:
(1) Had their ancestors ever fought for Thailand? (I don't mean the way the
British fought to take chunk of southern Thailand, or the way the French
fought to take chunk of north-eastern Thailand during King Rama V -- we lost
approximately one-third of land, forever!),
(2) Do they have any birth right to claim any freebie in Thailand?, and
(3) Do they have any obligation to sacrifice their lives and their children
lives for Thailand?
Daniel, to be honest with you, it is a privildge of Farangs that our
government granted them the opportunity to visit our national treasures on a
fee-paying basis. Why cry foul, if they think it is not worth it just don't
bother to visit -- go somewhere else. If CarLost thinks it is a ripped off
(i.e., he wants to assume the birth right of Thai citizen without serving
the civic duty), he is welcome to flash his god damn driver license begging
for discount$ in some other country, we don't need that kind of asshole
around.
Having said the above, they are many Farangs who behave appropriately and
graciously. And I do appreciate that -- Those Farangs are the honarable
guests of my country, and they are always welcome!
> I wonder why the Authorities agrree to extend the Thai price to the Farang
> who are living here full time. Maybe we are supposed to be poorer than the
> Farang still living in Farangland?
>
> >
Daniel
One third!
I knew about this piece of your history since I asked my wife why she has a
large portrait of King Rama V on the wall, but I didn't kew that it was to
that extent.
From my frog ancestors end, I was told that the French colonialists took
away 2 countries, Laos and Cambodia, that were before not real part of Siam
but whose Kings were reporting to the King of Siam. Corrections to my belief
are welcomed.
> (2) Do they have any birth right to claim any freebie in Thailand?, and
> (3) Do they have any obligation to sacrifice their lives and their
children
> lives for Thailand?
=================================
As you said, your land, your treasures, your right.
I took that little story of fees as reverse: we pay the right price to help
proper maintenance and conservation of the place, while the Thai citizens
get a subsidied price to give them easier access to those places that, at
then end of the day, belong to them.
But you will always have some foreign visitors who will take that as "being
abused", can't prevent it!
> Daniel, to be honest with you, it is a privildge of Farangs that our
> government granted them the opportunity to visit our national treasures on
a
> fee-paying basis. Why cry foul, if they think it is not worth it just
don't
> bother to visit -- go somewhere else.
=================================
Well, those places are also high on the list of the things to do and visit,
so helping in attracting more tourists to Thailand, hence boosting an
important sector of the Thai economy. It is a balance: I do not consider
that our government issued any privilege to the foreigners who can visit for
a fee the Eiffel tower in Paris, but if a visitor try to take away a bolt as
a souvenir, I would support to apply the Sharia and chop-off his right hand
:-)
If CarLost thinks it is a ripped off
> (i.e., he wants to assume the birth right of Thai citizen without serving
> the civic duty), he is welcome to flash his god damn driver license
begging
> for discount$ in some other country, we don't need that kind of asshole
> around.
===============================
I will not comment on that one....
> Having said the above, they are many Farangs who behave appropriately and
> graciously. And I do appreciate that -- Those Farangs are the honarable
> guests of my country, and they are always welcome!
===============================
Allow me to believe that I am on your list of those honourable guys :-)
Cheers
Daniel
Fred Nurk
<snip>
> | >
> | Yep they sure do think its a fantasy land.
>
> It is for sure.
> Where else can you obtain 420 Baht discount on a 500 Baht ticket?
> For that money you can have 2 short times with a Thai girl and have a good
> meal at the next noodle stall.
>
> Yeeeeehaaw !!!!!
Guess I got no doubts where you met yer wife carlos.
Nice ta see how prostitutions an obsession with you!
>
> | There he is on
> | his pension livin in tha only place he can affaord ta live an
> | still wants us ta believe hes a big wheel in tha computer
> | industry.
>
> You believe what you want, I dont make you believe anything.
Yeah, ya keep contradictin what ya say an inventin so much shit
that no one could EVER believe what ya say.
> On the otherhand, you want us to belive that you are a businness tycoon
You can if ya want. Dont bug me if ya dont.
> while the only thing you have is a brothel with 6 Thai hookers.
> Now, what story would I believe.
Tha one you made up of course.
>
,snip>
>
> No way, I wouldn;t want to live in Bangkok even for free.
> Bangkok is not real Thailand.
Its smack dab in tha middle so if it aint thailand then I dont
know what is. Anyway, you couldnt afford ta live there on ya
mingy pension so its outta tha question no matter what.
fnurk
taw...@aol.com
I am sorry for giving you the impression that I was upset. At any
rate, it's a welcoming sight to see another Thai poster in this forum.
Noi
verifiable_truth wrote:
> <taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1103080819.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > Khun Verifiable Truth:
> >
> > Sorry, I can't understand all your question marks!
> >
> > Noi
> > verifiable_truth wrote:
> > > <taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1102988259.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > This is interesting, I am a Thai woman and being lectured about
the
> > > > Thai language by a bunch of "Farangs" ! Okay, here goes, let me
try
> > > > to brush up on my Thai language.
> > >
> > >
> > > ??????????? ?????????????????????????????????
> > ?????????????????????????
> > > ????... ??????????????????????????? ???????????????
> > > ????????????????????????????... ???????????
> > >
> > >
>
> Sorry Khun Noi, I was trying to respond in Thai but I forgot to set
the proper encoding. Let me try again...
>
> ÊÇÑÊ´Õ¤ÃѺ¤Ø³¹éÍÂ
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Daniel
<taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1103194177.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Sawasdee Ka Khun Verifiable Truth:
I am sorry for giving you the impression that I was upset.
At any rate, it's a welcoming sight to see another Thai poster in this
forum.
Indeed, Khun Noi, indeed ;-)
Cheers
Daniel
verifiable_truth wrote:
> <taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1103080819.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > Khun Verifiable Truth:
> >
> > Sorry, I can't understand all your question marks!
> >
> > Noi
> > verifiable_truth wrote:
> > > <taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1102988259.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > This is interesting, I am a Thai woman and being lectured about
the
> > > > Thai language by a bunch of "Farangs" ! Okay, here goes, let me
try
> > > > to brush up on my Thai language.
> > >
> > >
> > > ??????????? ?????????????????????????????????
> > ?????????????????????????
> > > ????... ??????????????????????????? ???????????????
> > > ????????????????????????????... ???????????
> > >
> > >
>
> Sorry Khun Noi, I was trying to respond in Thai but I forgot to set
the proper encoding. Let me try again...
>
> สวัสดีครับคุณน้อย
ขออภัยนะครับที่ทำให้คุณเสียอารมณ์
> จริงๆแล้ว จากสำนวนการเขียนของคุณ
ผมรู้สึกว่าคุณเป็นคนที่น่ารัก...
ถึงแม้จะโกรธอารมณ์เสีย
ก็ยังน่ารักมากๆ... (จริงมั้ยเอ่ย?)
>
>
>
> > > >
> คุณเป็นคนเก่งอย่างงี้...
ผมว่าคงจะต้องให้คุณน้อยช่วยสอนด้วยสิ...
จะรังเกียจมั้ยหนอ?
>
>
> > >
> > > >
Yamamoto
| Yamamoto wrote:
| <snip>
| > | >
| > | Yep they sure do think its a fantasy land.
| >
| > It is for sure.
| > Where else can you obtain 420 Baht discount on a 500 Baht ticket?
| > For that money you can have 2 short times with a Thai girl and have a
good
| > meal at the next noodle stall.
| >
| > Yeeeeehaaw !!!!!
|
| Guess I got no doubts where you met yer wife carlos.
Keep on guessing Freddie Kruger.
Who cares about your guesses?
LOL
Not even half like you with your 6 Thai hookers imported from Nana.
| > | There he is on
| > | his pension livin in tha only place he can affaord ta live an
| > | still wants us ta believe hes a big wheel in tha computer
| > | industry.
| >
| > You believe what you want, I dont make you believe anything.
|
| Yeah, ya keep contradictin what ya say an inventin so much shit
| that no one could EVER believe what ya say.
But you do believe everything I say, he Freddie Kruger.
You even are so obsessed with wath I say that you are now sitting behind
yout screen and waiting for my nect post.
ROTFLMAO
| > On the otherhand, you want us to belive that you are a businness tycoon
|
| You can if ya want. Dont bug me if ya dont.
No, Freddie Kruger.
Read all over SCT your posts about your "factory" with 6 Thai hookers and
how make shippings using your tam-tam's to communicate.
LOL
| > while the only thing you have is a brothel with 6 Thai hookers.
| > Now, what story would I believe.
|
| Tha one you made up of course.
No, Freddie Kruger.
All your words clearly written in many posts.
| ,snip>
| >
| > No way, I wouldn;t want to live in Bangkok even for free.
| > Bangkok is not real Thailand.
|
| Its smack dab in tha middle so if it aint thailand then I dont
| know what is. Anyway, you couldnt afford ta live there on ya
| mingy pension so its outta tha question no matter what.
Lived there 1 year.
After 1 year I was so tired of the exhause gasses of the traffic and the
hectic that I moved to another place.
The rent in Bangkok in some appartments is even cheaper as where I live now.
Every day more stupid, Freddie Kruger.
You really should consider Larbgai's advices.
Not Cheers,
Carlos
| fnurk
Fred Nurk
> "Fred Nurk" <fred...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
<snip>
> |
> | Guess I got no doubts where you met yer wife carlos.
>
> Keep on guessing Freddie Kruger.
> Who cares about your guesses?
>
> LOL
Well you do. How much yer chargin when ya farm her out fer a
short time carlos? Thats YOUR words remember.
lol lol
<huge mother of a snip>
> |
> | Nice ta see how prostitutions an obsession with you!
>
> Not even half like you with your 6 Thai hookers imported from Nana.
OOOps, it back to bein imported from nana now eh? Man your
consistent in yer inconsistency
>
> | > | There he is on
> | > | his pension livin in tha only place he can affaord ta live an
> | > | still wants us ta believe hes a big wheel in tha computer
> | > | industry.
> | >
> | > You believe what you want, I dont make you believe anything.
> |
> | Yeah, ya keep contradictin what ya say an inventin so much shit
> | that no one could EVER believe what ya say.
>
> But you do believe everything I say, he Freddie Kruger.
> You even are so obsessed with wath I say that you are now sitting behind
> yout screen and waiting for my nect post.
Guess again stupid. I got other things ta do with me time. I
just sit at tha comp whenever I got a free moment. Unlike you
whats got nothin else ta do in tha village o yours.
>
> ROTFLMAO
>
> | > On the otherhand, you want us to belive that you are a businness tycoon
> |
> | You can if ya want. Dont bug me if ya dont.
>
> No, Freddie Kruger.
> Read all over SCT your posts about your "factory" with 6 Thai hookers and
> how make shippings using your tam-tam's to communicate.
tam-tams?
I use phones, fax an email. What do you use? Your tha one in
tha village remember.
>
> LOL
>
> | > while the only thing you have is a brothel with 6 Thai hookers.
> | > Now, what story would I believe.
> |
> | Tha one you made up of course.
>
> No, Freddie Kruger.
> All your words clearly written in many posts.
You must really think all sct posters are as stupid an braindead
as you carlos. Remember your tha one gettin yer wife ta support
YOUR parents. Your words remember? ROTFLMFAO
>
> | ,snip>
> | >
> | > No way, I wouldn;t want to live in Bangkok even for free.
> | > Bangkok is not real Thailand.
> |
> | Its smack dab in tha middle so if it aint thailand then I dont
> | know what is. Anyway, you couldnt afford ta live there on ya
> | mingy pension so its outta tha question no matter what.
>
> Lived there 1 year.
> After 1 year I was so tired of the exhause gasses of the traffic and the
> hectic that I moved to another place.
Yeah yeah yeah
> The rent in Bangkok in some appartments is even cheaper as where I live now.
In tha slums maybe. Well, of course thats tha only area o
bangkok ya could afford ta live anyway.
>
Learn ta snip a bit carlos.
fnurk
taw...@aol.com
Daniel wrote:
> <taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1102988259.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > This is interesting, I am a Thai woman and being lectured about the
> > Thai language by a bunch of "Farangs" ! Okay, here goes, let me try
> > to brush up on my Thai language.
> >
example,
> > the word "Thip" means extra ordinary good and can only be found
> > from the heavenly realm. Therefore, the name "Pornthip" the closest
> > English translation would be "Omniscient", or literally means
> > "Heavenly Vision".
> >
> > Another example of a common Thai name which contain the word
> > "porn" is "Jiraporn". The word "Jira", if I remembered
> > correctly also has it origin from Sanskrit language, which means,
> > beautiful and happy. Hence, the word "Jiraporn" means "Heavenly
> > beautiful and happy".
> >
> > Generally speaking, the name that contained the word "porn" is
> > usually used in conjunction with another word (usually use with
another
> > noun).
> >
> > However, when the word "porn" is used with a verb, it usually means
> > "blessing": for example, the word "hai porn", is explicitly
> > means "give blessing" or "Rub Porn" means "receive
> > blessing".
> >
>
> Hi Khun Noi,
> At last some Thai lights, thanks.
> Plus the one of VT who is, as far as he wrote, also Thai (To my
surprise)
> and whose explanations are near from yours and, by the way, matching
also
> more or less the one of Sandy Cruden. So, case close from my end,
except a
> small question: Why several Thai people from my family and friends
couldn't
> manage to give me that sort of explanation and told that in a name or
> surname Porn has no meaning?
*** It's a good question Khun Daniel, I have been asking the same
question since my last trip to Thailand,that why, my cousin, who's a
relatively well educated person and living in Thailand all her life,
yet, she can't read nor write some difficult Thai words.
My Thai language skills at this point is rusty at best because I have
been living abroad most of my life.
So, her I am, speaking English with Thai accent and speaking Thai with
English accent (I was told by my family and friends in Thailand that I
have English accent when I speak Thai), like a jack of all trades
master of nothing!
Noi
> Further to all the posts mentioned above, I wish to re-open my little
> argument with them but your opinion would help not to look like
toughly
> teasing them, thanks.
>
> Now, you wrote: I am a Thai woman and being lectured about the Thai
language
> by a bunch of "Farangs".
>
> I am positively sure that the bunch of Farangs participating to that
post
> had no intention to lecture you not any of the few Thai posters we
have at
> SCT.
> To the contrary, look at that bunch of Farang struggling and arguing
between
> themselves about your language, and ask yourself the question: Why
they are
> trying to improve their knowledge of your language?
> Think about it, then smile and be proud when you will find why :-)
>
> Sheers
> Daniel
>
>
> >
> > verifiable_truth wrote:
> > > <taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
verifiable_truth
>
> "verifiable_truth" <verifiab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1103170664.847cd0636d2833e9c7f6778c8d1ae259@teranews...
> >
> >
The French and the British began their colonization madness of southeast
asia during the eighteenth century. The French took Laos, Cambodia and
Vietnam while the British took Burma and Malaysia. Thailand was, then, only
seen as a useful buffer state between these two crazy land-grabbers. In
order to maintain our freedom preventing us from being colonized by the two
bulldozers, King Rama V had to play a delicate deplomatic maneuver -- making
each the French and the British aware that we have had deplomatic &
assistance pact with their foe (e.g., the French and the British were then
not in groove with each other). Nevertheless, we had to cede to France the
following territories (nowaday parts of Laos and Cambodia):
(1) Sibsong Chuthai and Huapan Tonghok in 1886 - 1887,
(2) All the territories on the left bank of Mekong and all the islands in
the river in 1893,
(3) Paklai opposite Luang Prabang and Bassac (Champasak) in 1904, and
(4) Battambong, Srisophon and Siemrap in 1907.
Mean while, the British took Kedah, Perlis, Kelantan and Trengganu (nowaday
northern Malaysia) in a lob-sided land swap treaty with Thailand (i.e.,
under the British BIG gun, we traded part of Thailand claimed by the British
with those 4 provinces!).
For our freedom, we, the Thais, had lost approximately one-third of our land
to the French and the British during that period. And when they (the French
and the British) were kicked out from the region, we were left cold --
loosing these lands to Laos, Cambodia, and Malaysia forever!!!
How would you feel if Thais were to give away southern France to German?
You may read this article to familiar yourself with Thai history during the
Bangkok (Rattana-Kosin) period:
http://www.rockhardphuket.com/king/KINGCHULALONGKORN/
Don't take my words for it since you are in Bangkok, you can do the research
yourself. Visit our National Library (Hor Samut-Haeng-Chart -- see Thai
History Archive Section, 4th floor). The better ones would be the National
Archieves in the next building behind Hor Vajiravutthanusorn. This one
holds the original records.
Good luck in verifying the truth!
Daniel
The Germans took away 2 French provinces in the 1870 war, Alsace and
Lorraine.
We took them back during WW1
They took them back during WW2.
We took them back in 1945
If Thais were to give away them to Germany, that would be called WW3 :-((
Please note that I am not proud at all of the colonialist past of my
country.
And full of respect for General de Gaulle who took power after the Indochina
debacle and let the decolonisation.
> You may read this article to familiar yourself with Thai history during
the
> Bangkok (Rattana-Kosin) period:
> http://www.rockhardphuket.com/king/KINGCHULALONGKORN/
>
> Don't take my words for it since you are in Bangkok, you can do the
research
> yourself. Visit our National Library (Hor Samut-Haeng-Chart -- see Thai
> History Archive Section, 4th floor). The better ones would be the
National
> Archieves in the next building behind Hor Vajiravutthanusorn. This one
> holds the original records.
> Good luck in verifying the truth!
Thanks for the info, I will dig a bit and be back to you on that!
Cheers
Daniel
verifiable_truth
I am sorry for giving you the impression that I was upset. At any
rate, it's a welcoming sight to see another Thai poster in this forum.
Noi
ขอบคุณครับ ดีใจมากๆเช่นกันที่เห็นลายพิมพ์(และสำนวนหวานๆ)ของสาวไทย
Phainam_Muang
> The French and the British began their colonization madness of southeast
> asia during the eighteenth century. The French took Laos, Cambodia and
> Vietnam while the British took Burma and Malaysia. Thailand was, then, only
> seen as a useful buffer state between these two crazy land-grabbers. In
> order to maintain our freedom preventing us from being colonized by the two
> bulldozers, King Rama V had to play a delicate deplomatic maneuver -- making
> each the French and the British aware that we have had deplomatic &
> assistance pact with their foe (e.g., the French and the British were then
> not in groove with each other). Nevertheless, we had to cede to France the
> following territories (nowaday parts of Laos and Cambodia):
> (1) Sibsong Chuthai and Huapan Tonghok in 1886 - 1887,
> (2) All the territories on the left bank of Mekong and all the islands in
> the river in 1893,
> (3) Paklai opposite Luang Prabang and Bassac (Champasak) in 1904, and
> (4) Battambong, Srisophon and Siemrap in 1907.
Pardon moi for interrupting your southeast Asia beer chat. No mean to intrude;
just happen to stumble into the forum and found this " meaning of porn in Thai"
subject. Quite interesting there about the meaning of "porn". Btw, "porn or
phon" in Lao or Issan also means "blessing." At any rate, what is even far
more interesting is your view of Lao-Siam history above, which I find it totally
spurious.
1. Sibsong Chaotai and Huaphan were never a part of or belonged to Siam.
2. Paklai and Champassak were never a part of or belonged to Siam.
3. All the territories on the left bank of the Mekong and the islands in the
river were never a part of or belonged to Siam.
Your claim above is just absurd; it is no different from the Burmese's claim of
Ayudhaya a part of Burma. Are you willing to except the Burmese's claim of
Ayudhaya as part of Burma? If you are, then we will gladly accept your claim
that Laos belonged to Thailand.
Phainam
Nick
news:41c2...@nntp.zianet.com:
>
> "Daniel" <daniel_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:32cnt0F...@individual.net...
>>
>> "verifiable_truth" <verifiab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1103170664.847cd0636d2833e9c7f6778c8d1ae259@teranews...
>> >
>> >
>> > I don't know why some Farangs should think it is a form a
>> > discrimination
>> to
>> > charge them, and not Thai citizens, the entrance fees to visit our
>> national
>> > treasures (Wat Phrakaew, for example). I wonder if those Farangs
>> > ever realize that:
>> > (1) Our ancestors had fought with their lives, loosing limps, and
>> > sacrificing blood to protect our country and maintain those
>> > national treasures -- our pride,
How many lost their life fighting for the Phuket Zoo, you know that's
where Carlos went with his family and got his "discount" as he posted ?
Looking at the places mentioned on the so called double pricing shame
list it's kind of hard to imagine anyone losing a limb for these
"treasures", well maybe the Alcazar comes close, there might be a few who
lost a limb:)
>> > (2) We are the citizens who have the birth rights to our country
>> > and the national treasures (just like you have the right to
>> > whatever you own in
>> your
>> > home),
>> > (3) It is a duty of Thai citizens to protect their country --
>> > either
>> through
>> > the draft process, national guard training (so-called "Rau Dau" as
>> > I
>> served
>> > during my highschool years and through the college years at Chula),
>> > or through volunteering.
How many actually do serve their country, do you think volunteering is
the same as defending your country?
>> > Perhaps, those Farangs who cry foul should ask themselves these
> questions:
>> > (1) Had their ancestors ever fought for Thailand?
Ever heard of the USA-Vietnam war, didn't the Thais at that moment in
time think Americans where fighting their war too to protect the Thais
from the commies? Isn't that why there were so many US bases in Thailand?
Following your line of thinking shouldn't at least the Americans be
allowed to pay the same price as Thai citizens?
Daniel have a look at this too
http://www.signposts.uts.edu.au/articles/Laos/Indigenous_People/366.html#
Heading3
You might find a different "thruth" there.
drsouk
siamese history alwayw says that Sibsong Chaothai - Huaphan, Paklai -
Champassak, all the territories on the left bank of the Mekong and the
islands are belonged to Siam! about the 12 chao thai, the siamese general
mun vai voronat had made incursion and captured 2 brothers of kham houm (aka
deo van tri) that triggered the ho attack against luang phabang, then the
french intervention with auguste pavie. Sayam thinks that champassak belong
to him because the kingdom was his vassal.
taw...@aol.com
Issan belonged to Laos!
Noi
Nick
@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> No more absurd than Lao people (Lao Nok in particular) claim that
> Issan belonged to Laos!
>
> Noi
From what i have been reading that claim really isn't that absurd.
"The lowland Lao historically lived on both sides of the Mekong, with
early Lao kingdoms encompassing much of the Khorat Plateau in present-day
Thailand. Cultural and linguistic differences between the Lao Loum and
the Thai Isan--what the Thai call the inhabitants of the Khorat Plateau
in northeast Thailand--were primarily due to the expansion of the Thai
state and influence in that region since 1945. Significant political
changes in Laos since 1975 also contributed to a growing cultural
distance."
source http://countrystudies.us/laos/49.htm
Basically i have more trust in the info on sites like the above over
a piece of history written on a website of a gogo-bar in Phuket that
wants to pay tribute to Thai kings (VT posted the link as one source of
info for Daniel).
d...@poetic.com
you.
taw...@aol.com
States belonged to them as well. Right?
Noi
Yamamoto
| Yamamoto wrote:
| > "Fred Nurk" <fred...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
|
| <snip>
| > |
| > | Guess I got no doubts where you met yer wife carlos.
| >
| > Keep on guessing Freddie Kruger.
| > Who cares about your guesses?
| >
| > LOL
|
| Well you do. How much yer chargin when ya farm her out fer a
| short time carlos? Thats YOUR words remember.
Well Freddie Kruger, I will give you an easy answer.
Show us the thread where I would have said that "I ferm my wife out fer a
short time".
If it are my words, the answer should be easy to find for a computer wizzard
like you.
If you can't, I will publish your lies every day in SCT, lying shitbag.
lol lol
| <huge mother of a snip>
| > |
| > | Nice ta see how prostitutions an obsession with you!
| >
| > Not even half like you with your 6 Thai hookers imported from Nana.
|
| OOOps, it back to bein imported from nana now eh? Man your
| consistent in yer inconsistency
Yep, your have imported tham to marry them to other stupid Aussies and
employ them in your brothel.
| > | > | There he is on
| > | > | his pension livin in tha only place he can affaord ta live an
| > | > | still wants us ta believe hes a big wheel in tha computer
| > | > | industry.
| > | >
| > | > You believe what you want, I dont make you believe anything.
| > |
| > | Yeah, ya keep contradictin what ya say an inventin so much shit
| > | that no one could EVER believe what ya say.
| >
| > But you do believe everything I say, he Freddie Kruger.
| > You even are so obsessed with wath I say that you are now sitting behind
| > yout screen and waiting for my nect post.
|
| Guess again stupid. I got other things ta do with me time. I
| just sit at tha comp whenever I got a free moment. Unlike you
| whats got nothin else ta do in tha village o yours.
| >
| > ROTFLMAO
No Freddie Kruger.
Since a few weeks you are all over SCT.
Shows that you have too much time on your hands.
For someone who has to run a factory and don't have even a little but time
spare to meet others at Loi Krathong you sure have too much time on your
hands.
But your "factory" was simple another fake history of yours, he lying
shitbag.
| > | > On the otherhand, you want us to belive that you are a businness
tycoon
| > |
| > | You can if ya want. Dont bug me if ya dont.
| >
| > No, Freddie Kruger.
| > Read all over SCT your posts about your "factory" with 6 Thai hookers
and
| > how make shippings using your tam-tam's to communicate.
|
| tam-tams?
| I use phones, fax an email. What do you use? Your tha one in
| tha village remember.
I use a computer with fax software and email software connnected to a phone
line.
How would I otherwise be able to post in SCT stupid asshole.
But you are the one who made a stupid out of himself in "commicating with
your ships" with Ardeedee, Freddie Kruger.
| > LOL
| >
| > | > while the only thing you have is a brothel with 6 Thai hookers.
| > | > Now, what story would I believe.
| > |
| > | Tha one you made up of course.
| >
| > No, Freddie Kruger.
| > All your words clearly written in many posts.
|
| You must really think all sct posters are as stupid an braindead
| as you carlos. Remember your tha one gettin yer wife ta support
| YOUR parents. Your words remember? ROTFLMFAO
Sure, my words.
Except, support doesn't mean only " sending money", but can mean also moral
support.
My wife has been giving moral support to my father when he was dying and to
my brother now who is suffering from cancer.
But that's beyond yout understanding of course.
You are a stupid Aussie and a shame to all the Aussies,
Your parents have dragged you from school to school because you made a shame
out of yourself in every school.
YOUR words, remeber?
Now, tell me again how SCT'rs don't forget?
| > | ,snip>
| > | >
| > | > No way, I wouldn;t want to live in Bangkok even for free.
| > | > Bangkok is not real Thailand.
| > |
| > | Its smack dab in tha middle so if it aint thailand then I dont
| > | know what is. Anyway, you couldnt afford ta live there on ya
| > | mingy pension so its outta tha question no matter what.
| >
| > Lived there 1 year.
| > After 1 year I was so tired of the exhause gasses of the traffic and the
| > hectic that I moved to another place.
|
| Yeah yeah yeah
Short of answers?
Knew all time long already that you ain't too bright.
| > The rent in Bangkok in some appartments is even cheaper as where I live
now.
|
| In tha slums maybe. Well, of course thats tha only area o
| bangkok ya could afford ta live anyway.
No slums, Freddie Kruger.
In a beautifull appartment with swimming pool and all possible things, paid
by the company who I was working for.
But maybe the only part of Bangkok you remember is the slums where you were
located working with your workers?
After all, you were in Bangkok only to visit the hokkers in the Nana bars.
| Learn ta snip a bit carlos.
Why would I snip all your stupidites?
I love to let them in for all the SCT'rs to see the stupidities you write.
Not Cheers,
Carlos
|
| fnurk
Daniel
We now have several Thai and Lao nationals debating their history.
I am quite proud to have generated that :-)
I start to smell an end where in fact everybody is somehow right and
everybody is somehow wrong except the French that where definitely wrong
:-((
Khun Wisarut, please jump in that thread.
We poor farangs ignorant of those things need as much light as possible.
Cheers
Daniel
"Nick" <nickn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Nick
news:32hod4F...@individual.net:
> How interesting!
> We now have several Thai and Lao nationals debating their history.
> I am quite proud to have generated that :-)
Where do see Lao nationals debating their history Daniel?
> I start to smell an end where in fact everybody is somehow right and
> everybody is somehow wrong except the French that where definitely
> wrong
>:-((
> Khun Wisarut, please jump in that thread.
> We poor farangs ignorant of those things need as much light as
> possible. Cheers
> Daniel
>
rest snipped
Daniel
> "Daniel" <daniel_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:32hod4F...@individual.net:
>
> > How interesting!
> > We now have several Thai and Lao nationals debating their history.
> > I am quite proud to have generated that :-)
> Where do see Lao nationals debating their history Daniel?
Well, it seems that Phainam Wuang is Lao, or Isarn, or at least taking the
Lao side in this discussion?
I would be surprised to have a farang posting uner that name.
Another of my stupid farang mistakes?
Cheers
Daniel
Fred Nurk
> "Fred Nurk" <fred...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
<snip>
> |
> | Well you do. How much yer chargin when ya farm her out fer a
> | short time carlos? Thats YOUR words remember.
>
> Well Freddie Kruger, I will give you an easy answer.
> Show us the thread where I would have said that "I ferm my wife out fer a
> short time".
Hey if youd short time tha little noodle girl "twice", what
respect would ya have fer ya missus? My guess is none. Anyway,
your tha one always makin a big deal outta hookers so it dont
surprise me ya farm yer missus out by tha hour!
> If it are my words, the answer should be easy to find for a computer wizzard
> like you.
> If you can't, I will publish your truth every day in SCT.
Be my guest carlos.
>
<huge mother of a snip>
>
> No Freddie Kruger.
> Since a few weeks you are all over SCT.
few months.
> Shows that you have too much time on your hands.
Soon carlos very soon.
> For someone who has to run a factory and don't have even a little but time
> spare to meet others at Loi Krathong you sure have too much time on your
> hands.
Was busy that day. Anyway alex didnt even go up ta tom clasener
an intraduce himself. He said he saw him but didnt go near him
even though they had talked by phone. Maybe alex dont want ta
meet sct people since you screwed roscoe over after meetin him?
> But your "factory" was simple another fake history of yours, he lying
> shitbag.
You wish.
>
> | > | > On the otherhand, you want us to belive that you are a businness
> tycoon
> | > |
> | > | You can if ya want. Dont bug me if ya dont.
> | >
> | > No, Freddie Kruger.
> | > Read all over SCT your posts about your "factory" with 6 Thai hookers
> and
> | > how make shippings using your tam-tam's to communicate.
> |
> | tam-tams?
> | I use phones, fax an email. What do you use? Your tha one in
> | tha village remember.
>
> I use a computer with fax software and email software connnected to a phone
> line.
Nah you use tam tams. You said so.
> How would I otherwise be able to post in SCT stupid asshole.
> But you are the one who made a stupid out of himself in "commicating with
> your ships" with Ardeedee, Freddie Kruger.
Communicatin with shippers. But thats to subtle fer ya aint it?
>
> | > LOL
> | >
> | > | > while the only thing you have is a brothel with 6 Thai hookers.
> | > | > Now, what story would I believe.
> | > |
> | > | Tha one you made up of course.
> | >
> | > No, Freddie Kruger.
> | > All your words clearly written in many posts.
> |
> | You must really think all sct posters are as stupid an braindead
> | as you carlos. Remember your tha one gettin yer wife ta support
> | YOUR parents. Your words remember? ROTFLMFAO
>
> Sure, my words.
> Except, support doesn't mean only " sending money", but can mean also moral
> support.
Only support you give yer family is immoral support! You dont
know tha meanin of 'moral'.
> My wife has been giving moral support to my father when he was dying and to
> my brother now who is suffering from cancer.
Whens it your turn you creep? Nearly dead yet?
> But that's beyond yout understanding of course.
So you wish!
> You are a stupid Aussie and a shame to all the Aussies,
Uneducated I may be, stupid I leave ta you!
> Your parents have dragged you from school to school because you made a shame
> out of yourself in every school.
> YOUR words, remeber?
dragged? YOUR WORD. SHAME YOUR WORD
>
> Now, tell me again how SCT'rs don't forget?
>
Your right an they aint ever gonna ferget you. I reckon not to
many would ever want ta risk meetin up with you to. As like as
not youll stab em in tha back just like ya did roscoe. Fuckin
lowlife ya are carlos.
snip>
>
> No slums, Freddie Kruger.
> In a beautifull appartment with swimming pool and all possible things, paid
> by the company who I was working for.
was working for?
How long ago? 50 years?
> But maybe the only part of Bangkok you remember is the slums where you were
> located working with your workers?
Never worked in bangkok
> After all, you were in Bangkok only to visit the hokkers in the Nana bars.
Nope, just organisin spares an stuff
>
fnurk
verifiable_truth
"Phainam_Muang" <pv...@acs.bu.edu> wrote in message
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Here is an exerp of Laos Modern History under the Hold of Siam (Source: U.S.
Library of Congress):
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***********************************************************
The Hold of Siam
This conflict had a long history. At the time of Siam's retributive
campaigns against Vientiane in 1827-28, relations between Vientiane and
Annam were good. The Vietnamese called Vientiane Van Tuong (the Kingdom of
Ten Thousand Elephants). But when Vientiane's ruler, Chao Anou, sought
refuge in Hu? following Siam's destruction of his capital, it caused serious
embarrassment to the Vietnamese. King Rama III of Siam wrote to the
Vietnamese emperor, Minh Mang, explaining that Chao Anou had refused
obedience to him and had started hostilities. Minh Mang, pursuing a
consistently cautious policy toward Rama III, lent Chao Anou two companies
of men to escort him back to Vientiane, instructing them to return
immediately after accomplishing their mission. Siamese and Vietnamese
sources--the Laotian primary sources having for the most part
disappeared--give conflicting versions of what happened next. In any event,
in mid-October 1828, Chao Anou found himself once again engaged in
hostilities with a stronger Siamese force. He again fled to safety, this
time to Muang Phuan because a Siamese force was encamped at Nakhon Phanom,
blocking the Mekong downstream.
The arrival of Chao Anou on their doorstep with a Siamese army in pursuit
confronted the leaders of Muang Phuan with a dilemma. When the Siamese
commander issued an ultimatum to surrender Chao Anou under penalty of an
attack on Xiangkhoang, the leaders of Muang Phuan quickly accepted. The
Siamese took Chao Anou to Bangkok and kept him captive.
What followed was illustrative of the consequences of the constant meddling
in each other's affairs that went on among the Laotian principalities. The
reigning prince of Muang Phuan was Chao Noi, son of the ruling family.
Vientiane had attempted to take advantage of Chao Noi's youth when his
father died to install Chao Xan, the head of a rival family from Muang Kasi.
The Phuan elders of Xiangkhoang refused to accept this candidate, so power
was shared under a compromise arranged with help from Hu?. Chao Xan,
however, led a delegation to Hu?, where he accused Chao Noi and his cousins
of bringing dishonor to the emperor by surrendering a vassal prince to
another king, of obstructing passage of a tribute mission from
Louangphrabang across the territory of Muang Phuan to Hu?, and of
negotiating to acknowledge Siamese suzerainty.
Chao Noi was accordingly summoned to Hu? to explain himself but sent his
eldest son, Po. Angered by this flagrant disregard of a direct order, Minh
Mang took no action, awaiting news of the fate of Chao Anou, who was the
nominal suzerain and ordinarily would have dealt with the Phuan on behalf of
Hu?. Once word was received that Chao Anou had died, Minh Mang sent a
Vietnamese detachment to Muang Phuan and arrested Chao Noi and most of his
family. In May 1829, the prisoners were taken to Annam, where Chao Noi and
his cousin were executed in January 1830. Chao Noi's young sons and their
mothers were kept in exile in Nghe An. The Muang Phuan succession thus fell
to Chao Xan. Minh Mang, however, posted a quan phu (commissioner), supported
by a garrison of 500 soldiers who were rotated seasonally, to reside
permanently at Chiang Kham (Khang Khay), at the headwaters of the Nam Ngum,
as a precaution against a recurrence of conflict with the Siamese king.
Rama III sent a further letter to Minh Mang in early 1829 outlining his view
of Chao Anou's treachery and thanking the emperor for his presents. But the
king failed to provide an explanation for a serious incident at Nakhon
Phanom in which three Vietnamese mandarins had been killed. In November
1829, Siamese envoys returned home with a letter from Hu? reiterating
earlier demands for punishment of those people responsible. When it became
obvious that Rama III would not revert to the old arrangement of joint
administration, Hu? gave administrative control over the entire eastern half
of the former kingdom of Vientiane to Vietnamese officials in Annam and
Tonkin. The territory was virtually annexed by Hu? in 1831 under the name
Tran Ninh Phu Tam Vien. The Vietnamese presence at Khang Khay continued
until the mid-1850s.
Chao Anou's wars with the Siamese had stirred massive disruptions of
villages on the right bank. Terrified Lao fled every which way. When the
Siamese arrived at Nakhon Phanom in 1827 they found the town deserted, the
officials having fled across the river to Mahaxai. In the aftermath of the
war, however, the Siamese established new towns--Chiang Khan, Nong Khai,
Mukdahan, and Kemmarat--at key points on the Mekong to serve as
administrative centers and as logistical bases for expeditionary forces
operating across the river toward the mountains.
On the left bank, where the writ of Siam ran as far south as Stung Treng,
the Siamese followed a policy of depopulating the country. This policy had
actually been initiated as early as 1779; the first Phuan carried off by the
Siamese arrived in Bangkok around 1792, where they were used as workers in
the fields of the official classes. By removing people from the left bank,
the Siamese deprived any invader from Annam of food supplies, transport, and
recruits. Sporadic resistance, however, led for some time by the latsavong
(first prince), of the old Vientiane kingdom continued at Mahaxai until
1835, when the leading Lao official there agreed to become governor of Sakon
Nakhon on the right bank, and the Siamese resettled there. From 1837 to
1847, the Siamese carried out depopulation raids annually during the dry
season in Khamkeut and Khammouan and in the valley of the X? Banghiang.
Entire Lao villages were uprooted.
Meanwhile, the leaders of Houaphan principality, fearing that the example of
Muang Phuan might be applied to them, submitted to the suzerainty of Bangkok
through the intermediary of Louangphrabang. Events were not going well for
the Siamese in Muang Phuan. After the Siamese removed Chao Xan and some of
the elders to Bangkok in 1836, the Vietnamese in effect ruled the state
directly, appointing local officials as administrators. The depopulation
activities the Siamese carried out on the Plain of Jars and elsewhere in
Xiangkhoang caused the remaining population to migrate eastward and
southward, forming new villages in the upper reaches of the Nam Mat and
around the northern extremities of the Nam Kading basin, around Muang Mo,
Muang Mok, and Muang Ngan. This expansion of the Phuan state was encouraged
by the Vietnamese in their administrative reorganization. Some of the Phuan,
however, perhaps enticed by Lao governors acting for the Siamese, moved down
the river valleys toward the Mekong. There, new towns such as Bolikhamxai
and Pakxan were founded and given satellite status by the Siamese in the
1870s.
Tu Duc, on his accession as Vietnamese emperor at Hu? in 1847, allowed the
sons of Chao Noi to return home with their families and to reestablish
Xiangkhoang as the Phuan capital. They were given administrative
responsibilities and the eldest, Prince Po, at last was permitted to replace
the commissioner. Meanwhile, King Tiantha Koumane of Louangphrabang (r.
1851-69), one of three sons of Manta Thourath who succeeded to the throne in
succession, while in Bangkok to receive the investiture, quickly arranged
with the new Siamese king, Rama IV, to become once again the suzerain over
the Phuan state. The Vietnamese had no objection to vassal relations of the
Phuan with Louangphrabang. But Rama IV was deeply suspicious of the Phuan
elders and set as a condition for accepting this arrangement that the Phuan
send an annual tribute mission to Louangphrabang. Tiantha Koumane hence was
able to reestablish his authority over Muang Phuan.
A new element--the H?--entered the picture, further complicating the
situation in northern Laos. The H? first appeared in mid-1869 in the upper
valley of the Nam Ou, where they made common cause with some Lu dissidents
displaced from the Sipsong Panna during a civil war lasting twenty-five
years. An army from Louangphrabang attacked these bands and withdrew with
prisoners.
The Lao and Siamese were ill prepared to face up to the new danger of
anarchy in their domains. Tiantha Koumane was dying of malaria, and the
Siamese, preoccupied with preparations for the cremation of their own
monarch, Rama IV, demanded that a tribute mission from Louangphrabang arrive
in Bangkok in time for the ceremony. Many princes and senior officials had
to absent themselves from Louangphrabang at this critical time and had to
remain in Bangkok afterward for audiences with the new monarch. Oun Kham,
who was already fifty-eight years old, did not receive his crown from the
Siamese until 1872.
It was not until 1873 that the Siamese sent an army up the Nam Ou to attack
the H? and drive them out. Some H? retreated into Houaphan, while others
overran the Plain of Jars, where Chao Hung had succeeded his brother Chao
Pho as ruler of the Phuan state, which became the main theater of conflict.
The H? camped at Chiang Kham and demanded "tax" payments from the local
population, threatening to kill anyone who resisted. Chao Hung raised a
small army and led it to assist the beleaguered governor of Chiang Kham in
1874, but a fatal bullet wound prompted the withdrawal of his army. Chao
Hung's son, Prince Khanti, appealed to Annam for aid. A joint attack was
made on Chiang Kham but was also repulsed.
Early the following year, the H? began plundering the lowlands along the
Mekong as far upriver as Chiang Khan and as far south as Nakhon Phanom,
directly threatening Siam's security. The teenage King Rama V was unable to
mount an effective response. The governor of Khorat took a force of men
across the flooded Mekong at the height of the monsoon and attacked the H?
encamped in the ruins of Vientiane, killing their warlord and forcing the
others to retreat to Muang Phuan. A concerted campaign against the H? in
their stronghold was finally put in motion in 1876, but it resulted more in
pillaging and looting the inhabitants than in stopping the H?, who, with
their horses, were more than a match for the Siamese and Lao foot soldiers.
Rama V blamed the Phuan for having brought trouble on themselves by giving
rice, silver, and horses to the H?, which in fact they had done in a
desperate effort to appease them. He rejected further appeals for aid on the
grounds that the local leaders would prove incapable of dealing with the
situation after the army withdrew.
Meanwhile, the troubles in the upper valley of the Nam Ou continued. Siamese
commissioners had to assist Oun Kham in restoring order in 1876 and to prod
him into reorganizing the towns under his rule. Affairs remained in a state
of flux for the next six years, and when in late 1882 Oun Kham appealed
again to Bangkok for help against the H?, the Siamese sent a major military
mission. Subsequently, the Siamese maintained a permanent garrison at
Louangphrabang.
The Eviction of Siam
The French, meanwhile, had imposed a treaty of protectorate on Annam in
1884. This treaty implied a French interest going beyond exploratory
involvement in the affairs of Laos. In June 1885, the French consul general
in Bangkok notified the Siamese government that a vice consulate would be
established in Louangphrabang under terms of a most-favored-nation clause
contained in a Franco-Siamese treaty of 1856. A new Franco-Siamese
convention of May 1886 acknowledged the role of Siamese officials in Laos
for the conduct of administrative matters but avoided implying French
recognition of Siamese claims to sovereignty there.
Auguste Pavie arrived at Louangphrabang in 1887 to assume his post as vice
consul. Pavie played a key role in saving Oun Kham's life from raiders from
Lai Chau, earning the king's gratitude and a promise that he would place his
kingdom under France's protection. Incidents between Siamese and French
officials on the left bank, where the French had made themselves advocates
of Vietnamese claims to suzerainty, continued in 1887-93. Finally, in March
1893, the French government, acceding to a campaign by the colonial lobby in
Paris, decided to send three French commissioners, each with a small armed
force, to evict the Siamese from outposts they had established in central
and southern Laos. The commissioners had secret orders to avoid exchanges of
fire if at all possible; ironically, the Siamese were under identical orders
from their government.
The French government dispatched two warships to the Gulf of Siam, and, in
what became known as the Paknam incident, forced the passage of a fort at
the mouth of the Menam River on July 12 and anchored in the river with their
guns trained on the royal palace. On July 20, the French gave an ultimatum
to the Siamese government to recognize the rights of Annam to the left bank
territories and to meet a list of other demands within forty-eight hours.
The Siamese replied on July 22, accepting the first demand in central and
southern Laos but rejecting the rest. The French declared a blockade of
Bangkok, whereupon the Siamese accepted the rest of the French demands. By
terms of the treaty concluded on October 3, 1893, between the Government of
the French Republic and the Government of His Majesty the King of Siam, Siam
renounced all claims to territories on the left bank and to islands in the
river.
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************************************************************
True. Ayudthaya was ransacked by the Burmese twice. But, each time,
without interference from the outside influence, Ayudthaya regained its
independent by beating back the Burmese:
First Time: Upon the declaration of indepedence, King Naresuan the great
killed the Burmese crown Prince in the historic elephant duel at Nhong
Sarai, Supanburi on 25 January 1592. Subsequently, during his reign, King
Naresuan paid Burmese the same courtesy by ransacked Burmese towns. The
Burmese King, Nanthabureng, had to fled Hongsawadee to TongAu. To deprive
Ayudthaya from the satisfaction of capture its capital city, he burnt down
Hongsawadee ahead of the arriving Naresuan troop. King Nanthabureng was
subsequently murdered by other Burmese tribal during his refuge in TongAu.
During King Naresuan reign, nearly all Burmese satellite states including
Laos voluntarily became Ayudthaya's satellite states.
Second Time: Phrachao Taksin fought back the Burmese, and regained the
independence in 1767 within 7 months after the fall of Ayudthaya. During
the Bangkok period (the present day Chakri dynasty), Burma was in the
decline. King Rama-I mobilized his troop and, once again, paid the Burmese
the same courtesty by ransacking many Burmese towns along the west coast
gaining significant territories from the Burmese. Since then, the Burmese
had never again became any factor or influence in the region.
Khun Phainam, that was the history. Regardless of what it was, at the
present day, We (Thai and Laos) are neighbor. And I wish you and your
country the best!
Nick
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Then it shouldn't be absurd for the British to claim that United
> States belonged to them as well. Right?
>
> Noi
No, i'm inclined to think the (territory that's now part of the) United
States belonged to the different indian nations:)
If the British were to claim they once colonized the "United States" i
wouldn't argue with that.
From what i have been reading so far, most writers seem to agree that
Thailand did colonize Laos (and some argue that Thailand in the process
gained some territority), not the other way around.
Noi do you think that what i quoted from this source
http://countrystudies.us/laos/49.htm is (excuse moi le mot)bullshit?
Nick
Daniel
>
> "Phainam_Muang" <pv...@acs.bu.edu> wrote in message
> news:41C31695...@acs.bu.edu...
> > verifiable_truth wrote:
>
> Khun Phainam, that was the history. Regardless of what it was, at the
> present day, We (Thai and Laos) are neighbor. And I wish you and your
> country the best!
I carefully read that interesting piece and it seems that, in fact, the
regions we are talking about were "vassals" of the King of Siam.
So, what the French have done is to replace that vassal link by
colonisation.
It does not excuse colonisation but at least relieved me a bit for the first
impression I had, i.e. my forefather stealing pieces of Siamese land. They
"only" had stolen pieces of Siamese power on the regions surrounding Siam.
Seemingly same sort of events in the South were the British imposed their
protectorate on Sultanates that were not Siamese but previously reporting
also to the King of Siam.
If I got all that more or less right, Siam was the regional superpower when
the colonialists arrived. The whole area was colonised with the exception of
the former superpower who managed to stay free, thanks to King Rama V.
With usual reservation re. my correct understanding, corrections welcomed.
Cheers
Daniel
Yamamoto
<snipped>
| >> > (1) Our ancestors had fought with their lives, loosing limps, and
| >> > sacrificing blood to protect our country and maintain those
| >> > national treasures -- our pride,
| How many lost their life fighting for the Phuket Zoo, you know that's
| where Carlos went with his family and got his "discount" as he posted ?
| Looking at the places mentioned on the so called double pricing shame
| list it's kind of hard to imagine anyone losing a limb for these
| "treasures", well maybe the Alcazar comes close, there might be a few who
| lost a limb:)
Thanks for your reponse Nick.
A lot of SCT'rs joined the thread about "2 priced tears" and complained
about this.
They didn't hide behind all ways to avoid to have to pay the "2 prived
tears" by all means, like showing their tax paying bill's or their support
to a Thai family.
If "VT" was really serious in his postings, he would said which posters did
avoid the double pricing at Wat Phra Kew (to be found in the thread about
double pricing), instead of claiming that many Thai's have fought for their
lives at "Phuket Zoo".
| >> > (2) We are the citizens who have the birth rights to our country
| >> > and the national treasures (just like you have the right to
| >> > whatever you own in
| >> your
| >> > home),
| >> > (3) It is a duty of Thai citizens to protect their country --
| >> > either
| >> through
| >> > the draft process, national guard training (so-called "Rau Dau" as
| >> > I
| >> served
| >> > during my highschool years and through the college years at Chula),
| >> > or through volunteering.
| How many actually do serve their country, do you think volunteering is
| the same as defending your country?
| >> > Perhaps, those Farangs who cry foul should ask themselves these
| > questions:
| >> > (1) Had their ancestors ever fought for Thailand?
| Ever heard of the USA-Vietnam war, didn't the Thais at that moment in
| time think Americans where fighting their war too to protect the Thais
| from the commies? Isn't that why there were so many US bases in Thailand?
| Following your line of thinking shouldn't at least the Americans be
| allowed to pay the same price as Thai citizens?
You are completely right.
Some of my best friends at that time (US soldiers send to Vietnam) have died
while defending a country which was not theirs for the commies.
Don't take "VT" as speaking for the majority of the Thais.
<snip>
| > Don't take my words for it since you are in Bangkok, you can do the
| > research yourself. Visit our National Library (Hor Samut-Haeng-Chart
| > -- see Thai History Archive Section, 4th floor). The better ones
| > would be the National Archieves in the next building behind Hor
| > Vajiravutthanusorn. This one holds the original records.
| >
| > Good luck in verifying the truth!
| Daniel have a look at this too
| http://www.signposts.uts.edu.au/articles/Laos/Indigenous_People/366.html#
| Heading3
| You might find a different "thruth" there.
Good link Nick.
Thanks.
Daniel
"Yamamoto" <isuzu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Nick" <nickn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95C2EE2D...@213.75.12.135...
> | "verifiable_truth" <verifiab...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> | news:41c2...@nntp.zianet.com:
>
> <snipped>
> Thanks for your reponse Nick.
And thanks to respond to Nick, Carlos, as I missed the link of his post, I
mean the:
"| Daniel have a look at this too
| http://www.signposts.uts.edu.au/articles/Laos/Indigenous_People/366.html#
| Heading3
| You might find a different "thruth" there."
Indeed....
The heading 3 is about French colonisation and I knew about it.
But the heading 2, the one that elaborate about the Siamese colonisation of
Laos is, as you said, a slightly different truth.
So, back to my original belief:
The local wolf, Siam, was once upon a time expelled from Laos by a bigger
wolf, France.
All at the cost of the Lao sheep....and one wonder why they became commies
:-((
Meanwhile, another bigger wolf, UK, expelled the Siamese wolf from Kelantan
and other Malayan Sultanates.
Siam managed to keep the Patani Sultanate and fully integrated it into the
Kingdom.
We may wonder today if it was a good decision as, a century later, they are
still not fully "integrated" it seems.
Cheers
Daniel
JALEARN
LaoEsan culture is everywhere in Thailand. Jalearn.
verifiable_truth
I don't think you quite understand the history of the region. Thais and
Laos were both migrated from southern China. Is it, then, for anyone to say
both Thai and Laos do not belong in the southest asia region?
Another example -- Ancient Malaysia. Negrito aborigines are considered the
first group to inhabit the Malaysian peninsula. And when the Proto-Malays
arived from southern China, with more technological advance, they drove the
Negritos into the jungles and hills. After the Proto-Malays, came the
Deutero-Malays, mixture of Proto-Malays, Indians, Siamese and chinese
(present day Malays). Now, you tell me who own the Malay peninsula!
Another example, yet, Burma. Burma was then fragmented with more than a
dozen tribal groups (Burmese, various Mons, and various Karens) that were
constantly fighting each other. It wasn't until King Nanda-Bayin who was
able to put down all the rivalries uniting Burma into a powerful state. And
after his death, the Burmese were again fragmented.
The reality is, the way of life in that region, then was governed by
power -- with a powerful ruler owned number of vassal satellites. Khmer was
unquestionablethe early dominant ruler in southest asia. Then, came
Nanchao, Sukothai, Ayudthaya, Hongsawadee (Burma), Ayudthaya, TongAu
(Burma), and toward the modern era -- Siam Kingdom (in Bangkok period), the
undisputed ruler in the nineteenth century. It was this modern era when
lands and borders had become internationaly recognized. And it was this
time that the France and
British made the interfence with the intention of colonization!
>
>
>
>
>
Nick
news:32hq1uF...@individual.net:
>
> "Nick" <nickn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95C33701...@213.75.12.135...
>> "Daniel" <daniel_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:32hod4F...@individual.net:
>>
>> > How interesting!
>> > We now have several Thai and Lao nationals debating their history.
>> > I am quite proud to have generated that :-)
>> Where do see Lao nationals debating their history Daniel?
> ================================
> Well, it seems that Phainam Wuang is Lao, or Isarn, or at least taking
> the Lao side in this discussion?
> I would be surprised to have a farang posting uner that name.
> Another of my stupid farang mistakes?
I was just wondering how you came to that conclusion, i'm not familiar
with Lao names. By now i know that Phainam actually is another (old) name
for Vientiane.
If you want to read a bit more about Laos history, this site might
interest you (it's in french and has some simple maps)
http://laos.luangprabang.free.fr/histoire/chronologie_peuple/chronologie_
du_peuple01.htm
Nick
Daniel
Not only the intention, the complete will I am afraid :-((
You know, European early history is also a large mix of tribal movements.
Take early France: Gallic people, a celtic group, originally. Then came the
Roman, the Germanic tribes (Ostrogoths, Wisigoths, Francs, etc..) then the
Huns, then the Vikings, then the English. The invasions stopped there but
migratory flows kept on: Italians, Polish, Spaniards, Portugueses, name it,
and eventually the migrations from our former colonies, Vietnam, Laos,
Cambodia, Africa and North Africa.
See: 5 lines to define the French... what a cocktail!
Same everywhere. For the record, the King of Spain is of French ancestors,
the Bourbon family of our own French Kings... Maybe we can have a claim on
Spain, what do you think, Carlos :-)
But our original topic was the modern history of Siam/Thailand, 19th and
20th century.
I google a bit about the Laos history, but looking for documents in French,
easier for me.
Not from France, we may have a biased view, but from Canadian Universities.
See also the link posted by Nick, interesting.
In brief, what they all say match my little impression: The Kingdom of Siam
was the regional superpower
before the arrival of the colonialists. A large central Kingdom surrounded
by smaller Kingdoms, Principalities and Sultanates that were not Siamese but
vassals of the King of Siam.
It is all those vassals States that the colonialists took away from Siamese
influence. Not Thai soil, at least in the modern definition of Thai soil. A
bit like if Australia was taking away New Caledonia from French influence.
That's not French soil in my definition.
Once again, not an excuse to justify colonialism.
And all the efforts of your PM to become a leading regional figure shows
that he is trying his way to reverse back that loss of regional power now
that the colonialists are gone, leaving behind few leftover like me :-).
Cheers
Daniel
Mort
<daniel_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
><taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1103194177.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>Sawasdee Ka Khun Verifiable Truth:
>
>I am sorry for giving you the impression that I was upset.
>
>
>At any rate, it's a welcoming sight to see another Thai poster in this
>forum.
>
>Indeed, Khun Noi, indeed ;-)
>Cheers
>Daniel
>
>verifiable_truth wrote:
>> <taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1103080819.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> > Khun Verifiable Truth:
>> >
>> > Sorry, I can't understand all your question marks!
>> >
>> > Noi
>> > verifiable_truth wrote:
>> > > <taw...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1102988259.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > > > This is interesting, I am a Thai woman and being lectured about
>the
>> > > > Thai language by a bunch of "Farangs" ! Okay, here goes, let me
>try
>> > > > to brush up on my Thai language.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ??????????? ?????????????????????????????????
>> > ?????????????????????????
>> > > ????... ??????????????????????????? ???????????????
>> > > ????????????????????????????... ???????????
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> Sorry Khun Noi, I was trying to respond in Thai but I forgot to set
>the proper encoding. Let me try again...
>>
>> สวัสดีครับคุณน้อย
>ขออภัยนะครับที่ทำให้คุณเสียอารมณ์
>> จริงๆแล้ว จากสำนวนการเขียนของคุณ
>ผมรู้สึกว่าคุณเป็นคนที่น่ารัก...
>ถึงแม้จะโกรธอารมณ์เสีย
>ก็ยังน่ารักมากๆ... (จริงมั้ยเอ่ย?)
>>
>>
Hi Daniel,
I can read your text in Thai letters. You seem to be the only one with
the correct encoding for my newsreader. Quite strange!
Regards,
Mort
Daniel
"Mort" <Mo...@moro.com> wrote in message
news:41c3f96...@News.Individual.NET...
This is a total mystery for me.
And, BTW, I got the Thai fonts at random, sometime the real one, sometime
the garbled stuff.
I wish to get some clarification on that, if somebody can help.
I would like to systematically get the proper Thai fonts so that I can ask
Mia Leuang to read it for me.
My PC is set to accept Thai fonts.
Cheers
Daniel
Fred Nurk
> "Nick" <nickn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95C2EE2D...@213.75.12.135...
> | "verifiable_truth" <verifiab...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> | news:41c2...@nntp.zianet.com:
>
> <snipped>
>
> | >> > (1) Our ancestors had fought with their lives, loosing limps, and
> | >> > sacrificing blood to protect our country and maintain those
> | >> > national treasures -- our pride,
>
> | How many lost their life fighting for the Phuket Zoo, you know that's
> | where Carlos went with his family and got his "discount" as he posted ?
> | Looking at the places mentioned on the so called double pricing shame
> | list it's kind of hard to imagine anyone losing a limb for these
> | "treasures", well maybe the Alcazar comes close, there might be a few who
> | lost a limb:)
>
> Thanks for your reponse Nick.
>
> A lot of SCT'rs joined the thread about "2 priced tears" and complained
> about this.
> They didn't hide behind all ways to avoid to have to pay the "2 prived
> tears" by all means, like showing their tax paying bill's or their support
> to a Thai family.
>
> If "VT" was really serious in his postings, he would said which posters did
> avoid the double pricing at Wat Phra Kew (to be found in the thread about
> double pricing), instead of claiming that many Thai's have fought for their
> lives at "Phuket Zoo".
Doin another twistin of posts carlos? Shit yer real good at that
aint ya?
>
<snip>
>
> You are completely right.
> Some of my best friends at that time (US soldiers send to Vietnam) have died
> while defending a country which was not theirs for the commies.
> Don't take "VT" as speaking for the majority of the Thais.
Dont take anythin what you say as speakin fer thais. You aint
thai an never will be. Your just a "USER"!
At least VT is a thai an hes proud o thailand.
>
<snip>
fnurk
Yamamoto
| Yamamoto wrote:
| > "Fred Nurk" <fred...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
|
| <snip>
| > |
| > | Well you do. How much yer chargin when ya farm her out fer a
| > | short time carlos? Thats YOUR words remember.
| >
| > Well Freddie Kruger, I will give you an easy answer.
| > Show us the thread where I would have said that "I ferm my wife out fer
a
| > short time".
|
| Hey if youd short time tha little noodle girl "twice", what
| respect would ya have fer ya missus?
Show us the thread where I would have said that "I short time the little
noodle girl twice".
Come on Freddie Kruger, you have been proven to be a lying shitbag twice
already.
You are making too much lies in a short time.
I love this situation.
If you can prove your lies with a link, people will belive you.
Otherwise ppeople will start (they do already) to see what a lying shitbag
you are.
Come and post the proof.
Shouldn't be so hard for a computer wizzard like you.
| My guess is none. Anyway,
| your tha one always makin a big deal outta hookers so it dont
| surprise me ya farm yer missus out by tha hour!
No Freddie Kruger, you are comparing other people with a lot more decency,
with a lying shitbag like you.
It's not because your wife had to sell herself to the aboriginals to feed
your son while you were busy with the Nana hookers, that others are doing
the same.
| > If it are my words, the answer should be easy to find for a computer
wizzard
| > like you.
| > If you can't, I will publish your truth every day in SCT.
|
| Be my guest carlos.
Sure, and I will.
Within a weeek, everybody here will know what a lying shitbag Freddie Kruger
is.
You will be again forced to move out of shame like your parents did.
What a poor miserable life, only because you are a lying shitbag.
| <huge mother of a snip>
| >
| > No Freddie Kruger.
| > Since a few weeks you are all over SCT.
|
| few months.
If you want to adit that, be my guest.
| > Shows that you have too much time on your hands.
|
| Soon carlos very soon.
What Freddie Kruger?
Are you finaly going to die?
Nah, would be to beautiflu to even dream about.
| > For someone who has to run a factory and don't have even a little but
time
| > spare to meet others at Loi Krathong you sure have too much time on your
| > hands.
|
| Was busy that day. Anyway alex didnt even go up ta tom clasener
| an intraduce himself. He said he saw him but didnt go near him
| even though they had talked by phone. Maybe alex dont want ta
| meet sct people since you screwed roscoe over after meetin him?
555555555555
Now you are saying that Alex was affraid to meet you?
ROTFLMAO
| > But your "factory" was simple another fake history of yours, he lying
| > shitbag.
|
| You wish.
Sure as hell it's another lie of yours.
You haven't posted not 1 proof of what you were saying when challenged to
post the proof.
Shows what a lying shitbag you are.
| > | > | > On the otherhand, you want us to belive that you are a businness
| > tycoon
| > | > |
| > | > | You can if ya want. Dont bug me if ya dont.
| > | >
| > | > No, Freddie Kruger.
| > | > Read all over SCT your posts about your "factory" with 6 Thai
hookers
| > and
| > | > how make shippings using your tam-tam's to communicate.
| > |
| > | tam-tams?
| > | I use phones, fax an email. What do you use? Your tha one in
| > | tha village remember.
| >
| > I use a computer with fax software and email software connnected to a
phone
| > line.
|
| Nah you use tam tams. You said so.
Show the proof where I said that.
You can't?
Right, you are nothing than a lying shitbag.
| > How would I otherwise be able to post in SCT stupid asshole.
| > But you are the one who made a stupid out of himself in "commicating
with
| > your ships" with Ardeedee, Freddie Kruger.
|
| Communicatin with shippers. But thats to subtle fer ya aint it?
Same thing, Freddie Kruger.
Fact is that you made a fool out of yourself as well with Ardeedee.
LOL
| > | > | > while the only thing you have is a brothel with 6 Thai hookers.
| > | > | > Now, what story would I believe.
| > | > |
| > | > | Tha one you made up of course.
| > | >
| > | > No, Freddie Kruger.
| > | > All your words clearly written in many posts.
| > |
| > | You must really think all sct posters are as stupid an braindead
| > | as you carlos. Remember your tha one gettin yer wife ta support
| > | YOUR parents. Your words remember? ROTFLMFAO
| >
| > Sure, my words.
| > Except, support doesn't mean only " sending money", but can mean also
moral
| > support.
|
| Only support you give yer family is immoral support! You dont
| know tha meanin of 'moral'.
Err, you were saying that my wife was supporting my parents and I showed
that she was doing that with MORAL support.
I support "MY" family as well with everything they need.
Not quite like you spending your money on Nana hookers and leave your wife
to sell herself to a few aboriginals in order to feed your bastard son.
| > My wife has been giving moral support to my father when he was dying and
to
| > my brother now who is suffering from cancer.
|
| Whens it your turn you creep? Nearly dead yet?
No Freddie Kruger, another 50 years to go.
| > But that's beyond yout understanding of course.
|
| So you wish!
No Freddie Kruger, I wish that your parents hadn't to move from school to
school out of shame and you would understand a little bit more now.
| > You are a stupid Aussie and a shame to all the Aussies,
|
| Uneducated I may be, stupid I leave ta you!
Well, that's a hell of a confession.
FREDDIE KRUGER HAS ADMITTED TO BE UNEDUCATED.
ROTFLMAO
LOL
| > Your parents have dragged you from school to school because you made a
shame
| > out of yourself in every school.
| > YOUR words, remeber?
|
| dragged? YOUR WORD. SHAME YOUR WORD
Not at all, YOUR own words repeated.
Like the confession you finaly made that you are employing 6 Thai hookers or
the confession that you are uneducated (dumb).
ROTFLMAO
It's going better all the time.
| > Now, tell me again how SCT'rs don't forget?
| >
| Your right an they aint ever gonna ferget you. I reckon not to
| many would ever want ta risk meetin up with you to. As like as
| not youll stab em in tha back just like ya did roscoe. Fuckin
| lowlife ya are carlos.
A lot of SCT'rs (and other people as well) are meeting me regularly, Freddie
Kruger.
Not quite like you who is ducking and hiding for people out of shame.
Come out of that rat infested place you live in and meet real people.
They want be offended by the fact that you are uneducated.
But you will need to stop being a lying shitbag if you want to have real
friends.
ROTFLMAO
Oh, how I like to make show everybody what a diumb asshole you are.
Take Larbies advices seriously amd consider his advices Freddie Kruger.
| snip>
|
| >
| > No slums, Freddie Kruger.
| > In a beautifull appartment with swimming pool and all possible things,
paid
| > by the company who I was working for.
|
| was working for?
| How long ago? 50 years?
No, my first trip to Thailand was 4 years ago.
| > But maybe the only part of Bangkok you remember is the slums where you
were
| > located working with your workers?
|
| Never worked in bangkok
For you going to a Nana bar to meet the hookers was working.
You was looking for hookers to marry with some Aussies and have them later
in your factory (read "brothel").
| > After all, you were in Bangkok only to visit the hokkers in the Nana
bars.
|
| Nope, just organisin spares an stuff
Can you buy "spares and stuf" in Nana?
What spares?
A "396" vertical processor to fit in their pussies?
ROTFLMAO
Sorry Freddie Kruger, but you made me almost piss in my paints.
Not Cheers,
Carlos
| fnurk
Fred Nurk
<snip>
> |
> | Hey if youd short time tha little noodle girl "twice", what
> | respect would ya have fer ya missus?
>
> Show us the thread where I would have said that "I short time the little
> noodle girl twice".
hey there your words you look em up!
>
> Come on Freddie Kruger, I have been proven to be a lying shitbag twice
> already.
> I am making too much lies in a short time.
> I love this situation.
So do I carlos, so do I
ROTFLMFAO
>
<snip>
>
<snip>
> |
> | few months.
>
> If you want to adit that, be my guest.
>
Hey, me posts are here fer all ta see. Hey even you!
> | > Shows that you have too much time on your hands.
> |
> | Soon carlos very soon.
>
<snip>
>
> 555555555555
>
> Now you are saying that Alex was affraid to meet you?
No, I said he didnt meet tom clasener when he had tha chance.
You fucked that up no doubt cause of tha way ya screwed roscoe
an others!
>
ROTFLMFAO
<snip>
> |
> | Nah you use tam tams. You said so.
>
> Show the proof where I said that.
> You can't?
Well I wouldnt have used tha words tam tams meself fer a start.
We calls em tom-toms.
> Right, you are nothing than a lying shitbag.
No you just proved you were - as usual.
>
> | > How would I otherwise be able to post in SCT stupid asshole.
> | > But you are the one who made a stupid out of himself in "commicating
> with
> | > your ships" with Ardeedee, Freddie Kruger.
> |
> | Communicatin with shippers. But thats to subtle fer ya aint it?
>
> Same thing, Freddie Kruger.
Sad fuck!
<snip>
> |
> | Only support you give yer family is immoral support! You dont
> | know tha meanin of 'moral'.
>
> Err, you were saying that my wife was supporting my parents and I showed
> that she was doing that with MORAL support.
> I support "MY" family as well with everything they need.
Except money! They have ta earn it sellin there bodys!
>
> |
> | Whens it your turn you creep? Nearly dead yet?
>
> No Freddie Kruger, another 50 years to go.
>
Dream on! bet youll be lucky ta get 5
> | > But that's beyond yout understanding of course.
> |
> | So you wish!
>
> No Freddie Kruger, I wish that your parents hadn't to move from school to
> school.
No carlos. Ya got it wrong (again). Me parents didnt move from
school ta school. I did. Theyd finished school long before.
>
<snip>
>
> A lot of SCT'rs (and other people as well) are meeting me regularly, Freddie
> Kruger.
An when ya gonna screw them too. Roscoe, Mort? Whose next on yer
list!
<snip>
>
> No, my first trip to Thailand was 4 years ago.
Ah so thats when ya went ta those nana bars. They wasnt there in
my day. Nana were just a hotel.
>
> | > But maybe the only part of Bangkok you remember is the slums where you
> were
> | > located working with your workers?
> |
> | Never worked in bangkok
>
> For you going to a Nana bar to meet the hookers was working.
Fer you it is. Your tha pimp remember!
> |
> | Nope, just organisin spares an stuff
>
> Can you buy "spares and stuf" in Nana?
No, that was just tha hotel we stayed in.
> What spares?
machinery spares fer roadmakin machines. Mostly Cat stuff.
> Sorry Freddie Kruger, but you made me almost piss in my paints.
Told ya, get them nappies on. That senility is hittin ya real
hard. Maybe I was optimistic in givin ya 5. Try 2.
>
> Not Cheers,
Yeah, I know why ya aint happy. Aint fun walkin round in pants
ya pissed in.
>
> Carlos
Just be thankful ya still remember ya name. Thatll be tha next
ta go!
fnurk
>
noi...@hotmail.com
> Thailand soon will be LaoEsan land, just look around and you will see
> LaoEsan culture is everywhere in Thailand. Jalearn.
Jalern, don't say that in front of a cambodian. They always claim that
the current esan region, and most of laos and thailand, used to belong
to them and the angkor empire for hundreds of years before the tai
(current thai and lao) invaded them from the north and took the land
away from them. At least they have some points to their claim here
because of the presence of today khmer-style temples and ruins still
left in the southern part of esan and laos (champassack). Also, if you
go to the southern part of esan from champassack toward khorat, most of
those people are typically non-thai non-lao, but rather of khmer
origin. The lao-people in esan are mostly found in the northern part of
easan.
noiy (don't confuse with khun noi, the thai lady)
verifiable_truth
Again, I don't think you quite understand the historic way of living and
governing of the region. I will try this one more time and move on to
something else:
In the olden days, people (tribals) in that region, at any one time, were
governed by a handful of powerful rulers. There were not particular hard,
physical boundaries internationally recognized that said... this belongs
Thai, this belongs Burma, or this belongs Laos or Khmer, etc. During
Sukothai period for example, Sukothai was considered the supreme regional
ruler of the nearby tribal regions (Ayudthaya and Chiangmai, for example,
were considered vassals of Sukothai). There were not really any provincial
governing structures of what we know in the present modern days. And when
Sukothai declined it became a vassal of Ayudthaya. You've got the picture?
The rulers during the olden days exerted their regional influence by sending
or appointing people of choice (typically, royal family members or loyal
generals) to rule their vassal states. And the vassal states were no
dummies, sending their princess or royal family members to wed with the
regional ruler in hope of gaining future influence with the family ties.
One can say, things like this were sort of the governing structure of the
olden time. Happy periods can go on for tens or even hundred of years until
the vassal states strayed... usually by either the influence of other nearby
regional rulers or, they became so strong (like Ayudthaya topping of
Sukothai) wanting to be the regional ruler themselves. That's when the
regional war broke out. You've got the picture now? That was the way of
regional governing structure, then.
And like any other tribals in the region, the Thais were a full
participation of this (sort of) governing structure at the time -- our
existence was dependent on how well we struggled with the process. To
compare the colonization of the region by French and the British to the way
governing structure there is a far fetch! If it would make you feel better,
then, why don't you lump or compare all other French colonization (countries
in Africa and Haiti for example) to this regional governing structure.
You are quite right in your quotation above: "Not only the intention (of
colonization by the French), but the completion I am afraid :-(( ... "
And may I also add to your quotation of the REAL completion -- the French
were disgracefully kicked out of the region... in a REAL humiliation :-((
....
>
>
verifiable_truth
Fred, you seem to be, by many Thais, as a poster with plenty of good sense
of humors (though with a strong accent even in writing!).
Don't worry about CarLost. He will always flash his driver license begging
for discount$. Funny, this is a guy who wants to assume the birth right of
Thais without serving the civic duty of Thai citizens). Yeah, I think we
can afford that kind of Tight Tart. I'll even buy him a beer or two (just
don't flash that god damn driver license around me!).
Fred Nurk
<snip>
>
>
> Fred, you seem to be, by many Thais, as a poster with plenty of good sense
> of humors (though with a strong accent even in writing!).
Yep, thais have a hard time understandin me when I speak.
>
> Don't worry about CarLost. He will always flash his driver license begging
> for discount$. Funny, this is a guy who wants to assume the birth right of
> Thais without serving the civic duty of Thai citizens). Yeah, I think we
> can afford that kind of Tight Tart. I'll even buy him a beer or two (just
> don't flash that god damn driver license around me!).
>
Pity that all tha noodle girls wont be safe within 100 mile of
him. :-(
fnurk
DT
Yamamoto wrote:
>big snip<
> Sorry Freddie Kruger, but you made me almost piss in my paints.
>
> Not Cheers,
>
> Carlos
>
Incontinence will do that everytime.
Merry Xmas Scrooge
DT
Yamamoto
"Fred Nurk" <fred...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:41c40fbc$0$1078$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
Not at all, just saying the truth.
But that's an unknown word to you.
You have been a lying shitbag all along, and have been asked to show the
proof of your statements which you couldn't.
You are uneducated (your own words) and stupid as well.
Come on Freddie Nurk, you have been making all kind of statements.
I only ask to show the proof of 2 of them.
Should be easy for a "computer wizzard" like you.
But you can't, because are a lying shitbag.
| <snip>
| >
| > You are completely right.
| > Some of my best friends at that time (US soldiers send to Vietnam) have
died
| > while defending a country which was not theirs for the commies.
| > Don't take "VT" as speaking for the majority of the Thais.
|
| Dont take anythin what you say as speakin fer thais. You aint
| thai an never will be. Your just a "USER"!
No, I don't speak for the Thais.
I leave that to the Thais.
And I don't want to be ever a Thai.
I am proud to be a Spanish citizen.
But you are wrong again, as usual.
There is no such thing as an "USER" Visa.
I live in Thailand, complete legal, on a legal visa, like many other
fahrangs.
Again, you are uneducated (YOUR own words) and an asshole as well.
| At least VT is a thai an hes proud o thailand.
Well, show VT how you make the Thais proud of their country.
Tell him your story again how you have been working in Thailand many years
and had many visits to Thailand in Nana where you have meet a bunch of "Thai
Hookers", married them to Aussies and employing them now in your "factory
(read "brothel").
YOUR WORDS
| > "Fred Nurk" <fred...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
| > news:41C259F7...@optusnet.com.au...
| >
| > Yep I have 6 Ex thai hookers workin on me afternoon shift.
How eloquent said by you for the Thais.
You have 6 ex Thai hookers working for you.
More specific:
- not 1 but 6 of them,
- although they were maybe once hookers, you keep naming them
hookers for as long as they live,
- and to make it specific from wher they are, you keep saying that they
were Thai hookers.
Not Cheers,
Carlos
| >
| <snip>
|
| fnurk
Yamamoto
Go ahead.
-);
Carlos
Fred Nurk
> "Fred Nurk" <fred...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
<snip>
>
> No, I don't speak for the Thais.
> I leave that to the Thais.
Ya got no choice there laddie.
>
> And I don't want to be ever a Thai.
Yeah we know that. Ya hate thais so much
> I am proud to be a Spanish citizen.
An Im glad you are.
>
> But you are wrong again, as usual.
> There is no such thing as an "USER" Visa.
Your right! Just user people. Like you!
> I live in Thailand, complete legal, on a legal visa, like many other
> fahrangs.
Prove it!
>
<snip>
>
> Well, show VT how you make the Thais proud of their country.
>
> Tell him your story again how you have been working in Thailand many years
Wonder where ya get tha idea I worked 'many years' in thailand?
One project that wasnt more n a year is all.
> and had many visits to Thailand in Nana where you have meet a bunch of "Thai
> Hookers", married them to Aussies and employing them now in your "factory
> (read "brothel").
Man your one helluva dreamer!
>
> YOUR WORDS
Sorry. My words twisted outta recognition by you as usual.
I got no worries. VT got a brain an can see tha diffrence. More
than I can say fer you but!
Hey its a bit late ta garner support among thais an other sct
people. They can read your words.
>
<snip>
fnurk
drsouk
but lao is still there!!! still alive!!! this is history!!!
verifiable_truth
Fred, you have a good sense of humor (though, strong accent even in
writing!) and seemingly sincere. I am sure a person with a big heart (Jai
Kwang) like yours would have friends everywhere in Thailand. May be if they
get to know you better, people in my country won't even call you a "Farang",
but rather a Foreigner like some of those respectable Japaneses, Koreans,
Australians, Europeans, Americans, and etc.
Don't worry about that Tight Tart who wants to assume the birth right of
Thai citizens, thinking that he is entitled to all the public freebies
available to Thai citizens -- flashing his god damn driver license
everywhere to beg for discount$.
I visited Kanchanaburi with my friend last year. We stopped at a restaurant
there (on the skirt of the city) on our way back. During the meal, I
noticed that there were 3 back-pack farangs standing outside the restaurant
near our SUV (They seemed to either need help or lost their way). After the
meal, I went to ask if they need help. They told me that they would like to
get to Bangkok, and would offer me 500 Baht for the service. I told them to
get in my SUV, and off we went. We made another stop for dinner. I asked
the three to join us for dinner, but they said they were not hungry. But
when I told them the "dinner is on me", then, they agreed to join me and my
friend for the dinner. Boy, if they were not hungry then I don't know "what
is"! I had to order 2 extra tubs of fried rice and many bottles of Sigha.
After the dinner, the three seemed relax and talkative. I learned that they
are dutch and are touring Thailand on a tight budget.
I dropped them off once we got to Bangkok, and I told them to forget about
the 500 baht. Boy, aren't they happy! They kept thanking me and my friend
in broken English.
The point of telling this experience is that, in general, Thai people who
"have" the resources are generous enough to extend they hands to help
foreigners in needs. But let me tell you this, we don't care much for any
Tight Tart Farang who wants to assume the birth right of Thai citizens,
thinking that he is entitled to all the public freebies available to Thai
citizens.
> fnurk
Daniel
Hi VT,
I will not comment re. your disappreciation of Carlos, I carefully keep
myself out of those polemics nowadays.
Only my 2 satangs re. the generosity of the Thai people.
When I came here originally, I was almost broken and started my little
business from scratch. Tough time.
1 - My owner of that time, Khun Tirayut, gave me 6 months at half the agreed
monthly cost "to help my new business" (Quote).
2 - One of my first customers, Khun Somchai, asked me when the job was done
if I believed my initial price was correct. I got scared of a last minute
discount bargain. You have to know that I am not selling goods but services,
based on my long experience in a technology not yet well known in Thailand.
So, I tried to get out of that with something like "Well, a signed contract
is a signed contract". He understood my fear, smiled and says "No, no, I
checked with a friend in a similar business and he told me that your fees
are too low". This gentleman understood on the way that I was struggling,
giving discounts as badly in need of work and I got a nice "bonus" at the
end.
None were known to me nor to my wife before that, none are from the family,
none had any rational reasons to help. They knew I was struggling, they knew
I have a Thai family, both are rather wealthy, that's all.
Try in France :-(((
By the way, VT, I start getting Seasons's Greetings cards from Thai
companies. But would a Thai individual with whom I don't have business
relationship but purely personal relationship be surprised to get some
Seasons's Greetings cards from a foreigner? Thanks for a tip.
Cheers
Daniel
Fred Nurk
Most of tha thais I know call me loong. They look on me as a
uncle. They useta call me missus yai.
>
> Don't worry about that Tight Tart who wants to assume the birth right of
> Thai citizens, thinking that he is entitled to all the public freebies
> available to Thai citizens -- flashing his god damn driver license
> everywhere to beg for discount$.
Yep, hes tight as a fish arse an thats watertight! ;-)
>
> I visited Kanchanaburi with my friend last year. We stopped at a restaurant
> there (on the skirt of the city) on our way back. During the meal, I
> noticed that there were 3 back-pack farangs standing outside the restaurant
> near our SUV (They seemed to either need help or lost their way). After the
> meal, I went to ask if they need help. They told me that they would like to
> get to Bangkok, and would offer me 500 Baht for the service. I told them to
> get in my SUV, and off we went. We made another stop for dinner. I asked
> the three to join us for dinner, but they said they were not hungry. But
> when I told them the "dinner is on me", then, they agreed to join me and my
> friend for the dinner. Boy, if they were not hungry then I don't know "what
> is"! I had to order 2 extra tubs of fried rice and many bottles of Sigha.
> After the dinner, the three seemed relax and talkative. I learned that they
> are dutch and are touring Thailand on a tight budget.
Yep, seen a lot of them types of tourists. I guess its one way
ta see tha country. I prefer upmarket hotels meself these days.
Had enough of doin it rough on some of tha worksites we useta be
at. Gettin soft in me old age Id reckon. Like in bangkok now Id
want a decent hotel near all tha facilities an transport. Learnt
last christmas when I had me first real holiday fer 20+ years
that these days in bangkok ya need a hotel near where ya want ta
be. To hard gettin a taxi fer anythin other than a really short
distance. Tha skytrain is brillaint an I guess tha subway will
be to. I stayed fer some of me time in bangkok at tha pathumwan
princess. Nice hotel, had a 4 room suite all ta meself. Tha rest
of tha time I was stayin either at me thai mates family home or
friends places in diffrent parts of thailand. Covered a bit of
territory in tha time I was there. Bangkoks changed heaps but
out in tha countryside it aint changed to much. Better roads is
tha most noticeable thing I could see. But then Im biased cause
roads an bridges useta be me business back in tha 70s.
>
> I dropped them off once we got to Bangkok, and I told them to forget about
> the 500 baht. Boy, aren't they happy! They kept thanking me and my friend
> in broken English.
Helpin people is a good thing. Dont it really blow there minds
when ya tell em ya dont want anythin fer ya trouble! Dont know
what its like ta be them backpackers but. Never travelled on a
tight budget, always had an expense account. Just book it up ta
tha firm. Only way ta travel. Picked up quite a few backpackers
when they was hitchhikin round tha place here in aus. See some
of em in really remote out of tha way places. Dunno how they
cart those bloody great backpacks around all tha time to. Shit,
thatd kill me back after a few hours let alone a few weeks. One
of tha things I liked about helpin out backpackers was they
always got intrestin storys ta tell.
>
> The point of telling this experience is that, in general, Thai people who
> "have" the resources are generous enough to extend they hands to help
> foreigners in needs. But let me tell you this, we don't care much for any
> Tight Tart Farang who wants to assume the birth right of Thai citizens,
> thinking that he is entitled to all the public freebies available to Thai
> citizens.
Does anyone care fer tightarse farlangs?
I sure dont!
fnurk
Fred Nurk
> "verifiable_truth" <verifiab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1103446434.201fc7bddc07ddc3ae08011304e662ae@teranews...
>
>
> Hi VT,
> I will not comment re. your disappreciation of Carlos, I carefully keep
> myself out of those polemics nowadays.
> Only my 2 satangs re. the generosity of the Thai people.
> When I came here originally, I was almost broken and started my little
> business from scratch. Tough time.
>
> 1 - My owner of that time, Khun Tirayut, gave me 6 months at half the agreed
> monthly cost "to help my new business" (Quote).
Was you a slave daniel???
>
> 2 - One of my first customers, Khun Somchai, asked me when the job was done
> if I believed my initial price was correct. I got scared of a last minute
> discount bargain. You have to know that I am not selling goods but services,
> based on my long experience in a technology not yet well known in Thailand.
> So, I tried to get out of that with something like "Well, a signed contract
> is a signed contract". He understood my fear, smiled and says "No, no, I
> checked with a friend in a similar business and he told me that your fees
> are too low". This gentleman understood on the way that I was struggling,
> giving discounts as badly in need of work and I got a nice "bonus" at the
> end.
>
> None were known to me nor to my wife before that, none are from the family,
> none had any rational reasons to help. They knew I was struggling, they knew
> I have a Thai family, both are rather wealthy, that's all.
> Try in France :-(((
Most of tha thais I know are well of. When I first got ta know
em back in tha 70s they was either strugglin civil engineers or
low level public service bods. All of em have done well an are
up in the top ranks of their profesions now. I useta help em out
a lot back in tha old days an all of em, ta a man, want ta repay
that ta me now. Hey I never kept score ;-) They was good mates
then an they still good mates now. Thats tha important thing ta me.
>
> By the way, VT, I start getting Seasons's Greetings cards from Thai
> companies. But would a Thai individual with whom I don't have business
> relationship but purely personal relationship be surprised to get some
> Seasons's Greetings cards from a foreigner? Thanks for a tip.
> Cheers
> Daniel
Would it hurt? Some of them thais I know send me chritmas cards
an they be bhuddist. That reminds me. Gotta send tha last of me
cards of tomorrow. Sent all tha overseas ones of a week or three
back. Tha last are just local round tha city here. This is tha
sorta stuff I cant farm out ta tha secretary. Gotta have tha
personal touch. About a hundred on me list now. Useta be more
when me missus did em. Been a few of the recipients fallin of
there perch lately. Old age catchin up with em I reckon.
Send em daniel. Thais like em just like evryone else. Just
remember tha list can get bloody long. Ya could be makin a rod
fer ya own back here! (just kiddin! lol)
fnurk
>
>
Daniel
> Daniel wrote:
> > "verifiable_truth" <verifiab...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1103446434.201fc7bddc07ddc3ae08011304e662ae@teranews...
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > Hi VT,
> > I will not comment re. your disappreciation of Carlos, I carefully keep
> > myself out of those polemics nowadays.
> > Only my 2 satangs re. the generosity of the Thai people.
> > When I came here originally, I was almost broken and started my little
> > business from scratch. Tough time.
> >
> > 1 - My owner of that time, Khun Tirayut, gave me 6 months at half the
agreed
> > monthly cost "to help my new business" (Quote).
>
> Was you a slave daniel???
mo, me little frog. me no speak anglish good. me speak same if anglish is
french :-)
I meant he was my house owner and gave me 6 months at half the agreed
monthly rental price
========================
There is a trick for the lazy guys like me: Greetings cards by email.....
Cheers
Daniel
> fnurk
> >
> >
Mort
<daniel_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>But our original topic was the modern history of Siam/Thailand, 19th and
>20th century.
>I google a bit about the Laos history, but looking for documents in French,
>easier for me.
>Not from France, we may have a biased view, but from Canadian Universities.
>See also the link posted by Nick, interesting.
>
There are as many versions of history as nations because history is
used everywhere for political propaganda. Each country in SEA has its
own version of historical events that supports its national pride.
The real problem about these differences is not only intellectual but
that they can lead to violent anti-Thai feelings among the
neighbouring countries, like the riots in Cambodia six months ago.
>In brief, what they all say match my little impression: The Kingdom of Siam
>was the regional superpower
>before the arrival of the colonialists. A large central Kingdom surrounded
>by smaller Kingdoms, Principalities and Sultanates that were not Siamese but
>vassals of the King of Siam.
>
>It is all those vassals States that the colonialists took away from Siamese
>influence. Not Thai soil, at least in the modern definition of Thai soil. A
>bit like if Australia was taking away New Caledonia from French influence.
>That's not French soil in my definition.
>
>Once again, not an excuse to justify colonialism.
>And all the efforts of your PM to become a leading regional figure shows
>that he is trying his way to reverse back that loss of regional power now
>that the colonialists are gone, leaving behind few leftover like me :-).
>Cheers
>Daniel
>
Regards,
Mort
-
"A new study says that low levels of testosterone in older men
may lead to Alzheimer's disease. Ironically, in younger men, high
levels of testosterone can also render the brain completely useless."
Sandy Cruden
"drsouk" <drs...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:41c533d8$0$10232$8fcf...@news.wanadoo.fr...
> sabaidi all,
> but lao is still there!!! still alive!!! this is history!!!
I think you mean sawasdee all!
The rest is bullshit
Chabon
He meant in Lao language: savasdee = sabaidee
Cheers
Chabby
Yamamoto
True Verifiable Bastard.
But that;s because Thai's like you are at the same level of him, UNEDUCATED
as he admitted himself.
Educated Thais may have another opinion on Fred and you.
| Don't worry about CarLost. He will always flash his driver license
begging
| for discount$.
Sure as hell.
And I can get in for free, I will flash even harder with my driver license.
Think about, being allowed to enter the zoo for which your ancestors have
been fighting with their lives and losing their limbs for free.
What where they fighting for, Verifiable Bastard?
The peanuts of the monkeys?
Or the ya baa?
| Funny, this is a guy who wants to assume the birth right of
No, Verifiable Bastard, I am Spanish with Spnish blood in my heart and I
will never assue to be Thai.
I don't even want anybody to compare me with a Thai.
When I see the Thai's killing eachother or fahrangs for a few bucks, selling
their young female children for a few bucks, ripping of people for a few
bucks, having a lot of mia-noi's but beating their own wives, and so
on......... I am proud not to be a Thai.
| Thais without serving the civic duty of Thai citizens).
Yeah, like you served ever any civic duty.
How much did your parents paid for getting you out of the civic duty?
Everything is for sale in Thailand.
Forget about Buddha.
Thailand has only one God, the Dollar sing.
| Yeah, I think we
| can afford that kind of Tight Tart.
Sure as hell.
Whenever I show my wallet, Thais spread themselves on the floor and start
praying.
That's the ONLY reason why I stay here.
| I'll even buy him a beer or two (just
| don't flash that god damn driver license around me!).
I am not allowed to consume any alcohol by my Thai doctor (well, my European
doctors as well).
And I use Coke only for removing rust or loosing rusted screws.
But I will accept any other drink from you and even buy you a drink too.
Nevertheless, when it is time to pay the bill, I will "flash" my Thai driver
license to get a 50% discount and let you pay the full price like every
Thai.
Carlos
Yamamoto
| Yamamoto wrote:
|
| <snip>
| > |
| > | Hey if youd short time tha little noodle girl "twice", what
| > | respect would ya have fer ya missus?
| >
| > Show us the thread where I would have said that "I short time the little
| > noodle girl twice".
|
| hey there your words you look em up!
They are not my words.
So, cant show the proof again?
Just as I tought.
YOU ARE A LYING SHITBAG
| >
| > Come on Freddie Kruger, I have been proven to be a lying shitbag twice
| > already.
| > I am making too much lies in a short time.
| > I love this situation.
|
| So do I carlos, so do I
|
| ROTFLMFAO
Changing every pronoun in my sentences I wrote only shows how educated you
are, Freddie Kruger.
Still, YOU ARE A LYING SHITBAG
| >
| <snip>
| >
| <snip>
| > |
| > | few months.
| >
| > If you want to adit that, be my guest.
| >
|
| Hey, me posts are here fer all ta see. Hey even you!
Yep, even I can read the bullshit you are writing since months.
FREDDIE KRUGER IS A LYING SHITBAG
| > | > Shows that you have too much time on your hands.
| > |
| > | Soon carlos very soon.
| >
| <snip>
| >
| > 555555555555
| >
| > Now you are saying that Alex was affraid to meet you?
|
| No, I said he didnt meet tom clasener when he had tha chance.
| You fucked that up no doubt cause of tha way ya screwed roscoe
| an others!
| >
| ROTFLMFAO
No Freddie Kruger, you are using now Tom Clasener to justify you ducking and
hidding.
YOU ARE A LYING SHITBAG
| <snip>
| > |
| > | Nah you use tam tams. You said so.
| >
| > Show the proof where I said that.
| > You can't?
|
| Well I wouldnt have used tha words tam tams meself fer a start.
| We calls em tom-toms.
Another thing Freddie Kruger admits.
He was using tom-tom's to commincate with his shippers in Singapore.
YOU ARE A LYING SHITBAG
| > Right, you are nothing than a lying shitbag.
|
| No you just proved you were - as usual.
No Freddie Kruger, YOU ARE A LYING SHITBAG
| > | > How would I otherwise be able to post in SCT stupid asshole.
| > | > But you are the one who made a stupid out of himself in "commicating
| > with
| > | > your ships" with Ardeedee, Freddie Kruger.
| > |
| > | Communicatin with shippers. But thats to subtle fer ya aint it?
| >
| > Same thing, Freddie Kruger.
|
| Sad fuck!
How eloquent of you.
Seems that your "vocabular" has improved a lot the last few days.
You speak the last few days the vocabular that many SCT'rs want to hear.
Hey, you are even becoming a member of the killfile club.
| <snip>
| > |
| > | Only support you give yer family is immoral support! You dont
| > | know tha meanin of 'moral'.
| >
| > Err, you were saying that my wife was supporting my parents and I showed
| > that she was doing that with MORAL support.
| > I support "MY" family as well with everything they need.
|
| Except money! They have ta earn it sellin there bodys!
Paying their bills is money, Freddie Kruger.
Of course, your wife had to sell her pussy to aboriginals to feed her
bastard sons while you were at Nana and you think now that everbody does the
same.
| >
| > |
| > | Whens it your turn you creep? Nearly dead yet?
| >
| > No Freddie Kruger, another 50 years to go.
| >
| Dream on! bet youll be lucky ta get 5
"Dreaming" is your favourite record, remember Freddie Kruger?
| > | > But that's beyond yout understanding of course.
| > |
| > | So you wish!
| >
| > No Freddie Kruger, I wish that your parents hadn't to move from school
to
| > school.
|
| No carlos. Ya got it wrong (again). Me parents didnt move from
| school ta school. I did. Theyd finished school long before.
You were kicked out of every school for being a LYING SHITBAG and your
parents had to move out of shame Freddie Kruger.
| <snip>
| >
| > A lot of SCT'rs (and other people as well) are meeting me regularly,
Freddie
| > Kruger.
|
| An when ya gonna screw them too. Roscoe, Mort? Whose next on yer
| list!
Up to them.
I respond to people in the same way they talk to me.
| <snip>
| >
| > No, my first trip to Thailand was 4 years ago.
|
| Ah so thats when ya went ta those nana bars. They wasnt there in
| my day. Nana were just a hotel.
LYING SHITBAG
YOUR WORDS
| > You admitted many times the last few days yourself that you have been
| > visiting the bars in Nana.
|
| Yep, I went in em.
| > | > But maybe the only part of Bangkok you remember is the slums where
you
| > were
| > | > located working with your workers?
| > |
| > | Never worked in bangkok
| >
| > For you going to a Nana bar to meet the hookers was working.
|
| Fer you it is. Your tha pimp remember!
Again, changing pronouns shows you level of education (or better said your
lack of education).
You are the one who was pimping the Nana hookers.
Go trough your posts and read it everywhere.
You even wrote that you have to inspect their "machines" (read "pussies")
before they start working.
You are a sick man, Freddie Kruger.
I know that there are some people with weird sex-fantasies, but your
sex-fantasies beats them all.
No wonder your wife has coossen to kill herself.
| > |
| > | Nope, just organisin spares an stuff
| >
| > Can you buy "spares and stuf" in Nana?
|
| No, that was just tha hotel we stayed in.
And every night you want to the bars at Nana.
Remember your words?
" i went to the bars when I was in Bangkok to get my mates out but never
.........."?
YOU ARE A LYING SHITBAG
| > What spares?
|
| machinery spares fer roadmakin machines. Mostly Cat stuff.
So you call "pussies" in Australia "Cats".
Man your sex fantasies are really weird.
No wonder your wife choossed to kill herself.
| > Sorry Freddie Kruger, but you made me almost piss in my paints.
|
| Told ya, get them nappies on. That senility is hittin ya real
| hard. Maybe I was optimistic in givin ya 5. Try 2.
Reading your stupidity is a real stimulation.
| > Not Cheers,
|
| Yeah, I know why ya aint happy. Aint fun walkin round in pants
| ya pissed in.
"Almost".
Not "did".
You need to put your binoculars on before reading.
| > Carlos
|
| Just be thankful ya still remember ya name. Thatll be tha next
| ta go!
Well, I could forget the nickname I put in all my posts as it is not my real
name.
But you are a LYING SHITBAG, and forget what you said a minute ago.
Not Cheers,
Carlos
| fnurk
|
| >
Yamamoto
| verifiable_truth wrote:
|
| <snip>
| >
| >
| > Fred, you seem to be, by many Thais, as a poster with plenty of good
sense
| > of humors (though with a strong accent even in writing!).
|
| Yep, thais have a hard time understandin me when I speak.
Not only Thais, Freddie Kruger.
Everybody, except aboriginals.
But then, you speak very well the bidonville language.
Why don't you try to get an education?
| >
| > Don't worry about CarLost. He will always flash his driver license
begging
| > for discount$. Funny, this is a guy who wants to assume the birth right
of
| > Thais without serving the civic duty of Thai citizens). Yeah, I think
we
| > can afford that kind of Tight Tart. I'll even buy him a beer or two
(just
| > don't flash that god damn driver license around me!).
| >
| Pity that all tha noodle girls wont be safe within 100 mile of
| him. :-(
Nah, having a good meal doesn't harm a noodle girl.
But you on the otherhand better keep out of Thailand.
Otherwise you will go straight to Nana to look for more hookers to work in
your "factory" (read "brothel").
Not Cheers,
Carlos
| fnurk
taw...@aol.com
Nick wrote:
> taw...@aol.com wrote in news:1103338647.668543.172510
> @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Then it shouldn't be absurd for the British to claim that United
> > States belonged to them as well. Right?
> >
> > Noi
>
> No, i'm inclined to think the (territory that's now part of the)
United
> States belonged to the different indian nations:)
> If the British were to claim they once colonized the "United States"
i
> wouldn't argue with that.
> From what i have been reading so far, most writers seem to agree that
> Thailand did colonize Laos (and some argue that Thailand in the
process
> gained some territority), not the other way around.
> Noi do you think that what i quoted from this source
> http://countrystudies.us/laos/49.htm is (excuse moi le mot)bullshit?
My point is this, you can't judge history out of it own time and event.
We can't use our today morality standard to judge the event that
happened 100 of years ago!
Noi
> Nick
> > Nick wrote:
> >> taw...@aol.com wrote in news:1103329886.995172.140600
> >> @c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >> > No more absurd than Lao people (Lao Nok in particular) claim
that
> >> > Issan belonged to Laos!
> >> >
> >> > Noi
> >>
> >> From what i have been reading that claim really isn't that absurd.
> >> "The lowland Lao historically lived on both sides of the Mekong,
with
> >
> >> early Lao kingdoms encompassing much of the Khorat Plateau in
> > present-day
> >> Thailand. Cultural and linguistic differences between the Lao Loum
> > and
> >> the Thai Isan--what the Thai call the inhabitants of the Khorat
> > Plateau
> >> in northeast Thailand--were primarily due to the expansion of the
> > Thai
> >> state and influence in that region since 1945. Significant
political
> >> changes in Laos since 1975 also contributed to a growing cultural
> >> distance."
> >> source http://countrystudies.us/laos/49.htm
> >> Basically i have more trust in the info on sites like the above
over
> >> a piece of history written on a website of a gogo-bar in Phuket
that
> >> wants to pay tribute to Thai kings (VT posted the link as one
source
> > of
> >> info for Daniel).
> >> > Phainam_Muang wrote:
> >> >> verifiable_truth wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > The French and the British began their colonization madness
of
> >> > southeast
> >> >> > asia during the eighteenth century. The French took Laos,
> > Cambodia
> >> > and
> >> >> > Vietnam while the British took Burma and Malaysia. Thailand
> > was,
> >> > then, only
> >> >> > seen as a useful buffer state between these two crazy
> >> > land-grabbers. In
> >> >> > order to maintain our freedom preventing us from being
colonized
> > by
> >> > the two
> >> >> > bulldozers, King Rama V had to play a delicate deplomatic
> > maneuver
> >> > -- making
> >> >> > each the French and the British aware that we have had
> > deplomatic &
> >> >> > assistance pact with their foe (e.g., the French and the
British
> >> > were then
> >> >> > not in groove with each other). Nevertheless, we had to cede
to
> >> > France the
> >> >> > following territories (nowaday parts of Laos and Cambodia):
> >> >> > (1) Sibsong Chuthai and Huapan Tonghok in 1886 - 1887,
> >> >> > (2) All the territories on the left bank of Mekong and all
the
> >> > islands in
> >> >> > the river in 1893,
> >> >> > (3) Paklai opposite Luang Prabang and Bassac (Champasak) in
> > 1904,
> >> > and
> >> >> > (4) Battambong, Srisophon and Siemrap in 1907.
> >> >>
> >> >> Pardon moi for interrupting your southeast Asia beer chat. No
> > mean
> >> > to intrude;
> >> >> just happen to stumble into the forum and found this " meaning
of
> >> > porn in Thai"
> >> >> subject. Quite interesting there about the meaning of "porn".
> > Btw,
> >> > "porn or
> >> >> phon" in Lao or Issan also means "blessing." At any rate, what
is
> >> > even far
> >> >> more interesting is your view of Lao-Siam history above, which
I
> > find
> >> > it totally
> >> >> spurious.
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. Sibsong Chaotai and Huaphan were never a part of or belonged
to
> >> > Siam.
> >> >> 2. Paklai and Champassak were never a part of or belonged to
Siam.
> >> >> 3. All the territories on the left bank of the Mekong and the
> > islands
> >> > in the
> >> >> river were never a part of or belonged to Siam.
> >> >>
> >> >> Your claim above is just absurd; it is no different from the
> >> > Burmese's claim of
> >> >> Ayudhaya a part of Burma. Are you willing to except the
Burmese's
> >> > claim of
> >> >> Ayudhaya as part of Burma? If you are, then we will gladly
accept
> >> > your claim
> >> >> that Laos belonged to Thailand.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Phainam
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mean while, the British took Kedah, Perlis, Kelantan and
> > Trengganu
> >> > (nowaday
> >> >> > northern Malaysia) in a lob-sided land swap treaty with
Thailand
> >> > (i.e.,
> >> >> > under the British BIG gun, we traded part of Thailand claimed
by
> >> > the British
> >> >> > with those 4 provinces!).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For our freedom, we, the Thais, had lost approximately
one-third
> > of
> >> > our land
> >> >> > to the French and the British during that period. And when
they
> >> > (the French
> >> >> > and the British) were kicked out from the region, we were
left
> > cold
> >> > --
> >> >> > loosing these lands to Laos, Cambodia, and Malaysia
forever!!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How would you feel if Thais were to give away southern France
to
> >> > German?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You may read this article to familiar yourself with Thai
history
> >> > during the
> >> >> > Bangkok (Rattana-Kosin) period:
> >> >> > http://www.rockhardphuket.com/king/KINGCHULALONGKORN/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Don't take my words for it since you are in Bangkok, you can
do
> > the
> >> > research
> >> >> > yourself. Visit our National Library (Hor Samut-Haeng-Chart
--
> > see
> >> > Thai
> >> >> > History Archive Section, 4th floor). The better ones would
be
> > the
> >> > National
> >> >> > Archieves in the next building behind Hor Vajiravutthanusorn.
> > This
> >> > one
> >> >> > holds the original records.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Good luck in verifying the truth!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > (2) Do they have any birth right to claim any freebie in
> >> > Thailand?, and
> >> >> > > > (3) Do they have any obligation to sacrifice their lives
and
> >> > their
> >> >> > > children
> >> >> > > > lives for Thailand?
> >> >> > > =================================
> >> >> > > As you said, your land, your treasures, your right.
> >> >> > > I took that little story of fees as reverse: we pay the
right
> >> > price to
> >> >> > help
> >> >> > > proper maintenance and conservation of the place, while the
> > Thai
> >> > citizens
> >> >> > > get a subsidied price to give them easier access to those
> > places
> >> > that, at
> >> >> > > then end of the day, belong to them.
> >> >> > > But you will always have some foreign visitors who will
take
> > that
> >> > as
> >> >> > "being
> >> >> > > abused", can't prevent it!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > Daniel, to be honest with you, it is a privildge of
Farangs
> >> > that our
> >> >> > > > government granted them the opportunity to visit our
> > national
> >> > treasures
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > > a
> >> >> > > > fee-paying basis. Why cry foul, if they think it is not
> > worth
> >> > it just
> >> >> > > don't
> >> >> > > > bother to visit -- go somewhere else.
> >> >> > > =================================
> >> >> > > Well, those places are also high on the list of the things
to
> > do
> >> > and
> >> >> > visit,
> >> >> > > so helping in attracting more tourists to Thailand, hence
> >> > boosting an
> >> >> > > important sector of the Thai economy. It is a balance: I do
> > not
> >> > consider
> >> >> > > that our government issued any privilege to the foreigners
who
> >> > can visit
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > > a fee the Eiffel tower in Paris, but if a visitor try to
take
> >> > away a bolt
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > > a souvenir, I would support to apply the Sharia and
chop-off
> > his
> >> > right
> >> >> > hand
> >> >> > > :-)
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > If CarLost thinks it is a ripped off
> >> >> > > > (i.e., he wants to assume the birth right of Thai citizen
> >> > without
> >> >> > serving
> >> >> > > > the civic duty), he is welcome to flash his god damn
driver
> >> > license
> >> >> > > begging
> >> >> > > > for discount$ in some other country, we don't need that
kind
> > of
> >> > asshole
> >> >> > > > around.
> >> >> > > ===============================
> >> >> > > I will not comment on that one....
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > Having said the above, they are many Farangs who behave
> >> > appropriately
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > > > graciously. And I do appreciate that -- Those Farangs
are
> > the
> >> > honarable
> >> >> > > > guests of my country, and they are always welcome!
> >> >> > > ===============================
> >> >> > > Allow me to believe that I am on your list of those
honourable
> >> > guys :-)
> >> >> > > Cheers
> >> >> > > Daniel
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >