DK, DMK ADMK are goons- message to Danny
Madhu Sudhan
about Dravidian culture. You did say H.H. was a criminal. See for your
self
My suggestion is dont believe goons like Jaya, MK or EVR. They are all
liars
I know about EVR and his antics.
Being dravidian is being aryan too. Being Dravidian is being aryan.
The goons such as DK,DMK, ADMK twisted all this and the ordinary
Tamilian has been brain washed
There was some good done by these goons such as EVR,Anna, MK and Jaya.
Mostly they are a curse.
If you want challenge me!
I have already accepted your challenge( see my reply) and this is my
challenge to you
danny
In a way I too find our tamils are goons some times.
Even EVR said once, Bharathiyar also wrote a poem.
But the DK & DMK demolished the caste dominance, myth of religion's
discrimination. That is great social revolution. Liberation from an
invisible bondage. That is a second freedom for Tamils.
I do not agree many things of the DMK that is existing today. I am
praising the original self respect movement existed in early days.
Even a devil should be given his due share.
The congress still has an appeal because of its freedom struggle,
though the original congress party of Mahatma & Nehru dissappeared
long long ago.
My respect for DK & DMK is based on what the founders did 50 years
ago, and not its present activities.
The DK and DMK used some arguments based on some theory existed on
that time to gain mass support. Today some other theory may disprove
that. Soon some new theory may come up in this century which may
disprove all current ones.
Theories are just possibilities and probabilities.
Danny
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04111...@posting.google.com>...
Madhu Sudhan
> In a way I too find our tamils are goons some times.
> Even EVR said once, Bharathiyar also wrote a poem.
EVR himself was an uncivilised fellow. I have heard him speak vulgar
language in public, in "speeches". He could not even read or write
even in Tamil. He appealed to DK followers to hit Rama and Ganesha
idols taken for procession with chappals. He asked them to cut the
sacred thread of dwijas when they walked on streets. He broke the
idols adored by Hindus. He never once attacked Christians or muslims
ever. Always Hindus under the guise of atheism. DMK ADMK never talk of
superstitions in christianity and islam ever. Even recently MK spoke
sarcastically about Ganga Ma. Is EVR your ideal?
> But the DK & DMK demolished the caste dominance, myth of religion's
> discrimination.
They did not. Castes thrive to day as much in TN as any where. If
anything, caste is less in other places, I would say such as
Maharashtra, Gujarat, Bengal etc. Myth of religious discrimination
still persists. What the DK DMK did was to invent their own religion
called "Dravidam" ( an old word with a new twist), adopt a blatantly
prochristian and promuslims stance, condemn all Hindu scriptures,
never encourage any saivite or vaishnavite text such as Thevaram etc
or Divya Prabandham. Their "ondre kulam oruvane devan" ( which they
think was invented by Anna, is Thirumoolar's statement wich they never
acknowledge. The DK, DMK,ADMK never ever studied any Hindu scriputures
even in Tamil let alone any other such as sanskrit. DK and DMK told
lies about Ramayanam. Anna wrote Kambarasam full of lies about
Kambaramayanam. DK invented Keemayanam- saying Ravana was a dravidian
hero. Karunanidhi recently condemned Ramayanam. Karunanidhi openly
tried to put down sanskrit mantras in temples. He dare not ask
churches and mosques to pray only in Tamil, dare not I repeat. He had
the arrogance to interfere with temples, does even now.
Liberation from an
> invisible bondage. That is a second freedom for Tamils.
The liberation you talk of is suppressing those who claim to be
brahmanas by caste. This was done at the expense of Hindus and
shastras. Other states have accomplished a lot for the backward and
other classes with no venom against Hindus and their shastras. Please
dont think TN only achieved some progress for so called back ward
classes. It was all over India.
> Even a devil should be given his due share.
They protected Tamil from Hindi invasion which would have been worse
in my view. That is correct. As for religion, they were/are against
Hindus and shastras
> The DK and DMK used some arguments based on some theory existed on
> that time to gain mass support. Today some other theory may disprove
> that. Soon some new theory may come up in this century which may
> disprove all current ones.
>
> Theories are just possibilities and probabilities.
The so called Dravidian Aryan controversy was invented by the British
to divide India just like they divided on the basis of Hindu Muslim
and also sceduled caste tribe divisions- all British divide and rule.
Anna and Dk borrowed all this without much study and created a lot of
problems. TN suffers today because of them
The DK DMK ADMK are a curse on a state with a rich,long civilisation.
The people are brain washed by and large. They dont realise how
damaged they are.
They have a very rich culture. But these goons punish any one trying
to promote that.
Romanise
> anything, caste is less in other places, I would say such as
> Maharashtra, Gujarat, Bengal etc. Myth of religious discrimination
> still persists. What the DK DMK did was to invent their own religion
> called "Dravidam" ( an old word with a new twist), adopt a blatantly
> prochristian and promuslims stance, condemn all Hindu scriptures,
> never encourage any saivite or vaishnavite text such as Thevaram etc
> or Divya Prabandham. Their "ondre kulam oruvane devan" ( which they
> think was invented by Anna, is Thirumoolar's statement wich they never
> acknowledge. The DK, DMK,ADMK never ever studied any Hindu scriputures
> even in Tamil let alone any other such as sanskrit. DK and DMK told
> lies about Ramayanam. Anna wrote Kambarasam full of lies about
> Kambaramayanam. DK invented Keemayanam- saying Ravana was a dravidian
> hero. Karunanidhi recently condemned Ramayanam. Karunanidhi openly
> tried to put down sanskrit mantras in temples. He dare not ask
> churches and mosques to pray only in Tamil, dare not I repeat. He had
> the arrogance to interfere with temples, does even now.
I am reminded of Mulayam Singh Yadav who offered school holiday on
Fridays. It was Muslim community who had to object. Before
independence some princely states used to have Monday as holiday it
being Lord Shiva's day.
> > Even a devil should be given his due share.
>
> They protected Tamil from Hindi invasion which would have been worse
> in my view. That is correct. As for religion, they were/are against
> Hindus and shastras
Why was it that anti Hindi hysteria could get whipped up in Tamilnadu
but not in other three South Indian states. Except perhaps for Gujarat
all other non Hindi states have avoided Hindi dominance in a more
rational way. South Indians have benefitted by being familiar with
this or that Indo-Aryan language and Hindi certainly takes one a long
way compared to say Marathi, Gujarati, Bengali.
danny
> dirtyd...@yahoo.com (danny) wrote in message news:<c74175e.04112...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > In a way I too find our tamils are goons some times.
> > Even EVR said once, Bharathiyar also wrote a poem.
>
> EVR himself was an uncivilised fellow. I have heard him speak vulgar
> language in public, in "speeches". He could not even read or write
> even in Tamil. He appealed to DK followers to hit Rama and Ganesha
> idols taken for procession with chappals. He asked them to cut the
> sacred thread of dwijas when they walked on streets. He broke the
> idols adored by Hindus. He never once attacked Christians or muslims
> ever. Always Hindus under the guise of atheism. DMK ADMK never talk of
> superstitions in christianity and islam ever. Even recently MK spoke
> sarcastically about Ganga Ma. Is EVR your ideal?
Sorry, I was never born to see EVR. He died when I was too too young
to understand any thing. But to the extent I know, EVR wanted Tamils
to wake up and he just hit where the stupidity started. He never
aspired for power. I dont know that he is uneducated but I read his
old "Viduthalai" newspapers in Madras central library. How this never
educated man could run a newspaper in 1950's?
I see EVR was a man with a single mission to educate his folks, wake
them up, tell them where they worth and he hit it strongly where it
hurts and made his point.
Religion is belief, and it should be a personal thing. If any one go
and hit Lord Krishna, why I have to get to worried? . I am expected to
believe my own instinct and the faith I choose. If some body hits his
god (may be the same my god at that time), it is up the god to punish
him. I am not a jihadi to wage a war. I have to do my karma. my duty
to my family and country.
I dont agree to fight for my beliefs. That is very personal and not to
be imposed on to any one else.
EVR never forced people to join him. he just expressed it though very
crudely, but at that time our Tamils were also just mouthless
creatures.
He gave a strong medicine. Even Rajaji called him as ' prasanna
atthigar" ( realistic believer)
EVR did many antics no lesser tha our politicians today. the
difference is, he woke up many people, millions of them. That is what
had hurt the varnshrmites.
>
>
> > But the DK & DMK demolished the caste dominance, myth of religion's
> > discrimination.
>
> They did not. Castes thrive to day as much in TN as any where. If
> anything, caste is less in other places, I would say such as
> Maharashtra, Gujarat, Bengal etc. Myth of religious discrimination
> still persists. What the DK DMK did was to invent their own religion
> called "Dravidam" ( an old word with a new twist), adopt a blatantly
> prochristian and promuslims stance, condemn all Hindu scriptures,
> never encourage any saivite or vaishnavite text such as Thevaram etc
> or Divya Prabandham. Their "ondre kulam oruvane devan" ( which they
> think was invented by Anna, is Thirumoolar's statement wich they never
> acknowledge. The DK, DMK,ADMK never ever studied any Hindu scriputures
> even in Tamil let alone any other such as sanskrit. DK and DMK told
> lies about Ramayanam. Anna wrote Kambarasam full of lies about
> Kambaramayanam. DK invented Keemayanam- saying Ravana was a dravidian
> hero. Karunanidhi recently condemned Ramayanam. Karunanidhi openly
> tried to put down sanskrit mantras in temples. He dare not ask
> churches and mosques to pray only in Tamil, dare not I repeat. He had
> the arrogance to interfere with temples, does even now.
>
Not true, You just have to be a Tamil non-brahmin, born in a poor farm
worker family to know this.
Just walk in to the slums in madras, talk to any old man above 50
about EVR and DMK inthe same way, he will make you remember that day
for a life time. Believe me, if you can come back home in one piece.
Karunanithi is not realizing that we tamils have benefited for 50
years and that is enough, we have matured. Now no more dominance. it
is our skills that matter and not the thread. Forgive him, he almost
80 years, still living in EVR era, not in the Internet world. Old man.
>
>
> Liberation from an
> > invisible bondage. That is a second freedom for Tamils.
>
> The liberation you talk of is suppressing those who claim to be
> brahmanas by caste. This was done at the expense of Hindus and
> shastras. Other states have accomplished a lot for the backward and
> other classes with no venom against Hindus and their shastras. Please
> dont think TN only achieved some progress for so called back ward
> classes. It was all over India.
I dont know how far those states have progressed in HR Index. I lived
in TN and karnataka only before coming to US. If I tell you that the
index of forwardness can be a scale of how many Tamils software
engineers (living in BLR) Vs kanadiga SW engineers, You would eat back
your statements. Even in USA it is very much true.
>
>
>
> > Even a devil should be given his due share.
>
> They protected Tamil from Hindi invasion which would have been worse
> in my view. That is correct. As for religion, they were/are against
> Hindus and shastras
That is your view, you can have it, your privillage, as mine. I dont
have to worry about your perception of issues, like wise please dont
make a big fuzz on my thinking and please please please dont say that
i am doing a sin. You have to become a God and come in front of me,
show all your powers to convince me.
At this point of time, we both are just mortals. We can just exchange
our views. That is all. I have no right to call you names or your
beliefs. Vice versa. Indignation of others on the basis of of personal
preferred assumptions is just not the right thing, my dear friend.
>
>
>
> > The DK and DMK used some arguments based on some theory existed on
> > that time to gain mass support. Today some other theory may disprove
> > that. Soon some new theory may come up in this century which may
> > disprove all current ones.
> >
> > Theories are just possibilities and probabilities.
>
> The so called Dravidian Aryan controversy was invented by the British
> to divide India just like they divided on the basis of Hindu Muslim
> and also sceduled caste tribe divisions- all British divide and rule.
> Anna and Dk borrowed all this without much study and created a lot of
> problems. TN suffers today because of them
>
> The DK DMK ADMK are a curse on a state with a rich,long civilisation.
> The people are brain washed by and large. They dont realise how
> damaged they are.
> They have a very rich culture. But these goons punish any one trying
> to promote that.
Not true, I, like the majority Tamils, do not agree with you. DK and
DMK is a timely correctional medicine given to the enslaved tamils to
wake up from their stupidty and make Tamil and India, a great Nation.
We are making it. our state has the best schools, best standards, best
engineers, etc
(I dont want to blah blah more on this)
But I also feel that the need for DK and DMK is over now. they lived
their purpose and I think we Tamils should get out of it (as well as
the BJP).
Thanks for your views, pls try to get some non-brahmin friends to know
the majority views.
Bye for now, i am away for the whole week, so save your energy and
write on friday.
Rgds
danny
Madhu Sudhan
> tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote
> Why was it that anti Hindi hysteria could get whipped up in Tamilnadu
> but not in other three South Indian states.
I would not say hysteria. I think having considered this carefully,
Hindi was a serious problem in the sixties. The people of TN did
object legitimately. The DMK used the problem and came to power,
thanks to the misjudgment and callousness at the centre and the
"patriots" in the Hindi belt. Without that I think they would have
been history. DK,DMK and ADMK are basically anticulture and
antisocial. We now live with these antisocial elements in power for 40
years. They have brain washed most Tamils, if they have any brain left
to be washed.
Except perhaps for Gujarat
> all other non Hindi states have avoided Hindi dominance in a more
> rational way.
I dont understand this. Please explain
South Indians have benefitted by being familiar with
> this or that Indo-Aryan language and Hindi certainly takes one a long
> way compared to say Marathi, Gujarati, Bengali.
By benefit you mean jobs ( food!), I think. If Portugese or Vetnamese
had been the link language, I think Indians would have learnt those!
Dont forget Persian was the court and administrative language in
large parts of the northwest. So was Urdu and many Hindus never learnt
to read or write devanagari and learnt Urdu all along. All jobs and
political pressure. Today English. Generally local customs and
languages get suprerceded becasue of commerce, political pressure.
Hindi belongs in the same class. Hindi is irrelevant in the south.
Those who wanted to learn can learn voluntarily. There is/ was no
necessity to spend nonHindi taxmoney on Hindi.
The feeling of suppression of local languages by foreign
languages(including English) is strong in the south esp TN and I think
that is legitimate. Hindi though an Indian language deserves more
respect abd concessions than English in my view, but nevertheless a
language still "foreign" in many parts of the south
Romanise
> > but not in other three South Indian states.
> tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote
> I would not say hysteria. I think having considered this carefully,
> Hindi was a serious problem in the sixties. The people of TN did
> object legitimately. The DMK used the problem and came to power,
> thanks to the misjudgment and callousness at the centre and the
> "patriots" in the Hindi belt. Without that I think they would have
> been history. DK,DMK and ADMK are basically anticulture and
> antisocial. We now live with these antisocial elements in power for 40
> years. They have brain washed most Tamils, if they have any brain left
> to be washed.
As Independent India became more and more stable, first signs of it
one can see in Congress party itself splitting in late sixties,
anybody wanting to replace English with Hindi became insignificant.
Where is south anti-hindi plank gave any political milage to anybody
except in Tamilnadu?
It appears to me that in Tamilnadu not only anti hindi but anti
brahmin hysteria too was whipped up.
Even today the UPSC examinations have question papers only in English
and Hindi even when examinee is allowed to answer in any of Indian
schooling language. Tamil has not been put in as the language of
question papers I believe.
Very likely Punjabi University was started long before Tamil
university, only two such universities in India.
> Except perhaps for Gujarat
> > all other non Hindi states have avoided Hindi dominance in a more
> > rational way.
>
> I dont understand this. Please explain
They did not let fervour for Hindi downgrade English
> South Indians have benefitted by being familiar with
> > this or that Indo-Aryan language and Hindi certainly takes one a long
> > way compared to say Marathi, Gujarati, Bengali.
>
> By benefit you mean jobs ( food!),
Mobility of well educated. To be able to move is required to catch
business.
> I think. If Portugese or Vetnamese
> had been the link language, I think Indians would have learnt those!
> Dont forget Persian was the court and administrative language in
> large parts of the northwest. So was Urdu and many Hindus never learnt
> to read or write devanagari and learnt Urdu all along. All jobs and
> political pressure. Today English. Generally local customs and
> languages get suprerceded becasue of commerce, political pressure.
> Hindi belongs in the same class. Hindi is irrelevant in the south.
> Those who wanted to learn can learn voluntarily. There is/ was no
> necessity to spend nonHindi taxmoney on Hindi.
> The feeling of suppression of local languages by foreign
> languages(including English) is strong in the south esp TN and I think
> that is legitimate.
Why do Tamils feel that their language is being supressed when Kerala,
Andhra, Karnataka, Maharashtra, West Begal, Assam, Punjab, Gujarat do
not feel that way?
> Hindi though an Indian language deserves more
> respect abd concessions than English in my view,
In todays world "respect" or concessions for any language will not
make any difference for the language.
Madhu Sudhan
History is for people who dont actually see things. It is a part of
history. We did not see Hitler either.
But to the extent I know, EVR wanted Tamils
> to wake up and he just hit where the stupidity started.
He ssid Tamil is a "kattumiraaNdi bhashai". That is how much he wanted
Tamils to wake up to. He said those who believe in God are fools.
He never
> aspired for power.
He could not get power. That is why he left Congress like Jinnah did.
I dont know that he is uneducated but I read his
> old "Viduthalai" newspapers in Madras central library. How this never
> educated man could run a newspaper in 1950's?
His assistants ran that paper. EVR wrote very badly spelt Tamil.
> I see EVR was a man with a single mission to educate his folks, wake
> them up, tell them where they worth and he hit it strongly where it
> hurts and made his point.
He found a way to be popular by holding on to antiHindu bashing,
especially brahmins.. Never attacked Christians or muslims, so much
for atheism!
> Religion is belief,
No .It is not a belief. At least not Hinduism. Hinduism is based on
action( karma and knowledge( jnana). Faith is secondary. In fact
there is no wrod for belief in scriptures. Shradhdha has a different
meaning from belief in christian context.
and it should be a personal thing. If any one go
> and hit Lord Krishna, why I have to get to worried? . I am expected to
> believe my own instinct and the faith I choose. If some body hits his
> god (may be the same my god at that time), it is up the god to punish
> him. I am not a jihadi to wage a war. I have to do my karma. my duty
> to my family and country.
So if some one hits EVR photo with a chappal, it is personal freedom?
If some one hits Jesus photo with a chappal, it is personal freedom?
What logic?!
> I dont agree to fight for my beliefs. That is very personal and not to
> be imposed on to any one else.
> EVR never forced people to join him. he just expressed it though very
> crudely, but at that time our Tamils were also just mouthless
> creatures.
He advocated people to cut off threads. He openly advocated violence
and said "pambai paarthu paarppanai paarthaal, mudhal parpaani adi".
> He gave a strong medicine. Even Rajaji called him as ' prasanna
> atthigar" ( realistic believer)
I dont know what this prasanna is. Prasanna is pleasant, not
realistic.
> difference is, he woke up many people, millions of them. That is what
> had hurt the varnshrmites.
He did not know what varna ashrama dharma is. None of the DK DMK know.
> Not true, You just have to be a Tamil non-brahmin, born in a poor farm
> worker family to know this.
> Just walk in to the slums in madras, talk to any old man above 50
> about EVR and DMK inthe same way, he will make you remember that day
> for a life time. Believe me, if you can come back home in one piece.
And this is freedom, you advocate. You also say EVR advocated
nonviolence and you say I cant come out in one piece? How cultured? So
the slums never improved? You have to have slums to remember EVR?
After 40 years of this rule, slums and their violence are the memorial
to EVR?
> Karunanithi is not realizing that we tamils have benefited for 50
> years and that is enough, we have matured. Now no more dominance. it
> is our skills that matter and not the thread. Forgive him, he almost
> 80 years, still living in EVR era, not in the Internet world. Old man.
Karunanidhi and Anna and co used to speak so vulgarly in public. They
accused Gandhi of having an affair with Annie Besant. Nehru with same.
Kamaraj also same.
That is how they became popular.
I dont know how far those states have progressed in HR Index. I
lived
> in TN and karnataka only before coming to US. If I tell you that the
> index of forwardness can be a scale of how many Tamils software
> engineers (living in BLR) Vs kanadiga SW engineers, You would eat back
> your statements. Even in USA it is very much true.
For your info, Bangalore has at least 30 to 35% Tamils, even now ,
more before. They are not EVR or DMK followers. This kind of software
census does not mean anything. Even Telugus are there.
> Thanks for your views, pls try to get some non-brahmin friends to know
> the majority views.
You have assumed that I dont know about "nonbrahmin: views what ever
you mean by "nonbrahmins".
The DK DMK ADMK are most uncultured goondas who ruined Tamil Nadu. I
hope they disappear into the dust bin of history and Tamilc ulture is
revived. They are trying to kill Tamil literature, culture, music,
dance, arts, sculpture etc etc. Shame. They did nothing for any one
including the so called suppressed classes. They kept them suppressed
so they can get their votes and be in power.
Their theories, all of them are wrong and are racist pure and simple.
The congress were better in TN till Bhakthavatsalam. Then there was
this virus in TN
danny
life is just hectic, had to do a marathon, struck for 10 days with out meen curry.
just back, will reply you by week end. got 72 personal emails.
The seer news is getting hot too much. women and all that, I too bewildered.
Later sir, I want to sleep, now.
bye for now
Danny
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04112...@posting.google.com>...
Madhu Sudhan
> Sorry Mr madhu,
> life is just hectic, had to do a marathon, struck for 10 days with out meen curry.
> just back, will reply you by week end. got 72 personal emails.
> The seer news is getting hot too much. women and all that, I too bewildered.
> Later sir, I want to sleep, now.
> bye for now
> Danny
>
>
InRu poy naaLai vaaraay!
danny
You guys cant take out infidels like me.
We are here and will do whatever you guys did.
We will do more.
To tell you that,
You guys are not the only one around.
We will prove. that
we can do, just that our no-thread hindus ever realize what they are worth.
If we know ourselves. we can do and we are going to do.
That is what EVR told us.
We will do.
we are doing it.
we dont need your ISO or QSO9000
one more decade to see all threads dying out.
I know I have to wait than debating with you.
My kids are taking over. we guys have more kids.
Rgds
Danny
tripur...@yahoo.com (Madhu Sudhan) wrote in message news:<81b78a45.04113...@posting.google.com>...
danny
No-thread-hindu
rgds
danny
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Madhu Sudhan
> Indrum varuven, naliyum varuven.
Do you know where the "statement" inRu poy naaLai vaaray- is from?