My Dear Tamil Brahmins, Ram, Cho, Suryanarayanan, Subramanyan Swamy, Nirpama Subramanian, Sambandan, Balachandran, Raghavan, Malini
11...@my-deja.com
Every TRUE Tamil knows that you are our enemies. No True Tamil trusts
you guys. You guys talk endlessly of LTTE terrorism, what about the
terrorism unleashed on the Eelam Tamils by SLA and IPKF? The Tamil
militancy is only a reaction to Sinhala repression. Eelam Tamils tried
the Gandhian way for 15 years and failed. No Tamil likes violence, but
what are our options. (Fight or else perish).
There are many in India who still trust you guys and other Brahmins.
Soon when leaders like MULAYAM, LALOO, MAYAWATHI, KANSHI RAM and other
true sons of the soils take over India, you guys will be put to place.
Then all you can do is be paper tigers writing and writing endlessly
with no one to believe you.
Brahmins your venom is getting diluted. We have the antidote now.
Soon you will be defanged once for all.
No matter what you wretched people try Eelam will be born.
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11...@my-deja.com wrote:
> My Dear Tamil Brahmins,
>
> Every TRUE Tamil knows that you are our enemies. No True Tamil trusts
> you guys. You guys talk endlessly of LTTE terrorism, what about the
> terrorism unleashed on the Eelam Tamils by SLA and IPKF? The Tamil
> militancy is only a reaction to Sinhala repression. Eelam Tamils
tried
> the Gandhian way for 15 years and failed. No Tamil likes violence,
but
> what are our options. (Fight or else perish).
>
> There are many in India who still trust you guys and other Brahmins.
> Soon when leaders like MULAYAM, LALOO, MAYAWATHI, KANSHI RAM and other
> true sons of the soils take over India, you guys will be put to place.
>
> Then all you can do is be paper tigers writing and writing endlessly
> with no one to believe you.
>
> Brahmins your venom is getting diluted. We have the antidote now.
> Soon you will be defanged once for all.
Also these self-hating and Tamil-hating reptiles (especially the elites
amongst them) are "North-Indianizing" with a vengeance (do you think
an urban, "educated" TamBrahm will name his son Padmanabhan or
Sivasubrahmaniam any more ? Noooooooooo Sir, only names like "rohit"
and "rahul" and other "modern" names Hindians would find acceptable
will do anymore). Those in US and UK are marrying whites and chinks and
Hindians and so they will disappear as a people in 2-3 generations.
But they retain enough venom right now to persuade their Hindian
masters to prevent the birth of Tamil Eelam.
MR LINGA
>
>
>Every TRUE Tamil knows that you are our enemies. No True Tamil trusts
>you guys. You guys talk endlessly of LTTE terrorism, what about the
>terrorism unleashed on the Eelam Tamils by SLA and IPKF? The Tamil
>militancy is only a reaction to Sinhala repression. Eelam Tamils tried
>the Gandhian way for 15 years and failed. No Tamil likes violence, but
>what are our options. (Fight or else perish).
>
>There are many in India who still trust you guys and other Brahmins.
>Soon when leaders like MULAYAM, LALOO, MAYAWATHI, KANSHI RAM and other
>true sons of the soils take over India, you guys will be put to place.
>
>Then all you can do is be paper tigers writing and writing endlessly
>with no one to believe you.
>
>Brahmins your venom is getting diluted. We have the antidote now.
>Soon you will be defanged once for all.
>
>
I FULLY ENDORSE THE ABOVE.
MR LINGA
>amongst them) are "North-Indianizing" with a vengeance (do you think
>an urban, "educated" TamBrahm will name his son Padmanabha
IAM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU.
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> Also these self-hating and Tamil-hating reptiles (especially the elites
> amongst them) are "North-Indianizing" with a vengeance (do you think
> an urban, "educated" TamBrahm will name his son Padmanabhan or
> Sivasubrahmaniam any more ? Noooooooooo Sir, only names like "rohit"
> and "rahul" and other "modern" names Hindians would find acceptable
> will do anymore).
Rubbish. Most Tamil Brahmins names thir sons only in their usual way. Of
course, (especialy those lTamil Brahmins living in North India for more than
a generation) may name their sons Rohit or Rahul. But so do Tamil
non-brahmins who have been under similar circumstances. There are so many
Vinay mudaliars or Ajit Pillais or Arun naidus. Even among urban Tamilnadu
residents names like Ramesh and Suresh are becoming common irrespective of
caste. Till 20 years back, shalwar kameez was unknown among tamils of all
castes. Now for school and college girls in Tamilnadu, shalwar kameez is the
norm and this has nothing to do with caste. Why, even MuKa has appeared in a
number of public functions for the last 4 deacdes wearing achkan, the
typical dress worn by north indian feudal upper classes (like V.P.Singh).
Why blame Tamil Brahmins? When the Karnataka bus conductor Shivaji Rao was
made into a Tamil actor he was given the name of Rajnikant to satisfy the
Tamil masses (and the name has proved it's popularity by making Rajnikant
into a famous actor). Why was he not made into a "pure" Tamil name like
Nedunchezhiyan? go and ask the Tamil mases. Till 40 years back, the North
Indian food was unknown in Tamilnadu. Nowadays Korma and Biryanis are all
the rage.
North Indian names, food, dress, etc have become popular among Tamils of all
castes. Bitching about Tamil Brahmins is turning a blind eye to the social
reality
> Those in US and UK are marrying whites and chinks and
> Hindians and so they will disappear as a people in 2-3 generations.
Bitching knows no bounds. On the one hand , if one marries within caste it
is bad and perpetuating caste system. If someone marries outside caste it is
equally bad, if not more so.
> But they retain enough venom right now to
What else but venom you expect if you keep on hating and bitching. Dravida
leaders have called for the extermination of Tamil brahmins 60 or 70 years
back. It is right and proper that Tamil Brahmins have venom for dravidians.
Only in your daydreams , you expect friendship from those you hate
11...@my-deja.com
What else but venom you expect if you keep on hating and bitching.
Dravida
leaders have called for the extermination of Tamil brahmins 60 or 70
years
back. It is right and proper that Tamil Brahmins have venom for
dravidians.
Only in your daydreams , you expect friendship from those you hate
...........................
Reply
First of all we do not hate you. None of the Dravidian leaders present
or past have ever preached hatred. No leader called for extermination
of Tamil Brahmins. You cannot cite a single major incident of violence
against Tamil Brahmins in TN. The Dravidian movement was a reaction to
undue Brahmin dominance in TN. For 100's of years Brahmins were the
priviledged lot(Dwijas). The ordinary Dravidian was the one toiling.
What was wrong in the movement if they told the truth and enlightened
the masses to seek their rightful place in society. For this reason
the majority of TN Brahmins in rage consider the Dravidians as enemies
and continuously work against there interests.
In that case let me pose you a question: The winds of change are
blowing in the Hindi belt. All the non brahmins are now talking just
like the Dravidian leaders of TN. Non Brahmins are clamoring for power
in UP, Bihar ect. Example Kalyan Singh of UP revolted against the
predominantly Brahmin/Bania leadership of BJP. So in the future just
like how you consider yourself an enemy of the Dravidains would you
consider yourself an enemy of all the lower castes? If the answer is
yes then you are an enemy of almost 80 % of Indians. Why at all call
yourself an Indian?
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
11...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Mr Vijay Raghavan wrote:
>
> What else but venom you expect if you keep on hating and bitching.
> Dravida
> leaders have called for the extermination of Tamil brahmins 60 or 70
> years
> back. It is right and proper that Tamil Brahmins have venom for
> dravidians.
> Only in your daydreams , you expect friendship from those you hate
> ...........................
>
> Reply
>
> First of all we do not hate you. None of the Dravidian leaders present
> or past have ever preached hatred.
That means you don't know the history of dravidian movement in Tamilnadu.
"Aasiyavin Sakkiratees" E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker himself preached hatred and
recommended killing brahmins. Dravida papers like Nathigam and Viduthalai
were and full of hatred for Tamil brahmins and some of there "articles"
were and are obsene. You can see the filth and obscnety in postings here
like gravid, Madurai Veeran, etc. They are merely echoes of dravidian
slogans for 80 years. Hate messages were written on brahmins houses in
Madras. I have seen messages like "Ariyane veliyeru" on the houses of
brahmins.
Anti-brahminism is the core of dravidian movement. Apart from that they
have little else.
> No leader called for extermination
> of Tamil Brahmins. You cannot cite a single major incident of violence
> against Tamil Brahmins in TN. The Dravidian movement was a reaction to
> undue Brahmin dominance in TN.
It is like saying Sinhala racism was merely a reaction to undue Tamil
domination in Ceylon. It is true Brahmins took advatage of the educational
oppurtunities in big numbers and the government jobs were dependent upon
passing exams. If you call it "dominance", it is merely prejudice. The
banking sector was mostly manned by the Chettys . 90% of the Indian army ,
till 40 years back, was composed of Punjabis. A number of small shops were
owned by Mudaliars till 50 years back.A number of big landlords were and
still are vellalas of different castes That happens in all countries ina
transition to a modern society and economy. People choose professions which
are closest to their traditional occupations. But the dravidian movement
had/has vested interest in suppreessing outcastes, poor labourers and those
who had no wealth
> For 100's of years Brahmins were the
> priviledged lot(Dwijas).
Different castes had privelages in different professions. Chettys had
privelages in Banking , Vellalas had privelages in owning large tracts of
land and so on
> The ordinary Dravidian was the one toiling.
There was nobody called Dravidian 150 years back.
Each man or woman were toiling in their professions.
>
> What was wrong in the movement if they told the truth and enlightened
> the masses to seek their rightful place in society.
This dravidian movement told only the partial truth. The dravidian movement
dare not tll the truth of oppression of parias by those who supported this
movement. In Madras , the dravidians were opposed by the outcastes.
Dravidian movement dare not tell the truth of oppression of small peasants
and day labourers in the field by those big landlords who were in the
dravidian movement. Of course, it was sucking upto the British colonial
masters and the dravidian leaders saw Independence Day of 15-8-1947 as
black day because there beloved British masters were kicked out. Dravidian
leaders were finding their "rightful" place under the feet of british
colonial masters. Even before that, people were C.N.Annadurai were
denigrating a country without British masters where he said "indians can't
even produce a pin on their own". This , when India owned factories were
turning out warplanes and selling it to the British military.
Dravidan movement was an expression of inferioty complex designed to give
more inferiority complex and lower self-respect for tamils
> For this reason
> the majority of TN Brahmins in rage consider the Dravidians as enemies
> and continuously work against there interests.
>
> In that case let me pose you a question: The winds of change are
> blowing in the Hindi belt. All the non brahmins are now talking just
> like the Dravidian leaders of TN.
I care too hoots about what is alleged to happen in the Hindi belt. The
leaders in the Hindi belt like Mulayam Yadav are models of avoidance
> Non Brahmins are clamoring for power
> in UP, Bihar ect. Example Kalyan Singh of UP revolted against the
> predominantly Brahmin/Bania leadership of BJP. So in the future just
> like how you consider yourself an enemy of the Dravidains would you
> consider yourself an enemy of all the lower castes? If the answer is
> yes then you are an enemy of almost 80 % of Indians. Why at all call
> yourself an Indian?
If you are going to take the silly and idotic twists and turns of the
Indian politicians as representing a great truth , you are mistaken. Most
Indian politicians at the moment are self-seeking, corrupt, venal and very
short-sighted
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
dyas'*kr
> Indian food was unknown in Tamilnadu. Nowadays Korma and Biryanis are >all the rage.
Oh, we love Dosa, Idli, Sambar, Rasam, so much that wouldn't care for
Korma, Biryani at all.
--
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http://www.eurosys.net/gujarati
dyas'*kr
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Most Indian politicians at the moment are self-seeking, corrupt, venal > and very short-sighted.
Well put.
11...@my-deja.com
> That means you don't know the history of dravidian movement in
Tamilnadu.
> "Aasiyavin Sakkiratees" E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker himself preached hatred
and
> recommended killing brahmins. Dravida papers like Nathigam and
Viduthalai
> were and full of hatred for Tamil brahmins and some of
there "articles"
> were and are obsene. You can see the filth and obscnety in postings
here
> like gravid, Madurai Veeran, etc. They are merely echoes of dravidian
> slogans for 80 years. Hate messages were written on brahmins houses in
> Madras. I have seen messages like "Ariyane veliyeru" on the houses of
> brahmins.
Reply:
Periyar did not preach killing of Brahmins. Nathigam and Viduthalai
newspapers are critical of the negative role TN Brahmins play when it
comes to issues relating to Tamils/Tamil Eelam. This has never ever in
the history of TN manifested in to violence or blind hatred towards TN
Brahmins.
On the other hand 95% TN Brahmins hate Tamil, Tamils, Tamil Nadu and
Tamil Eelam.
To prove my point all you have to do is read the editorials in Hindu.
The Eelam
issue is always misrepresented, lied about or fantastic stories of how
Eelam is a
threat to India is concocted. Eelam Tamils are fighting for their
survival. They
have no ambition beyond that. Even if they are successful in getting
Eelam, they would
have nothing to do with India or TN or Pan Tamil nationalism. Even the
TN Tamils have
no interest in a Pan Tamil nationalism.
Mr Vijay Raghavan wrote:
> It is like saying Sinhala racism was merely a reaction to undue Tamil
> domination in Ceylon. It is true Brahmins took advatage of the
educational
> oppurtunities in big numbers and the government jobs were dependent
upon
> passing exams. If you call it "dominance", it is merely prejudice. The
> banking sector was mostly manned by the Chettys . 90% of the Indian
army ,
> till 40 years back, was composed of Punjabis. A number of small shops
were
> owned by Mudaliars till 50 years back.A number of big landlords were
and
> still are vellalas of different castes That happens in all countries
ina
> transition to a modern society and economy. People choose professions
which
> are closest to their traditional occupations. But the dravidian
movement
> had/has vested interest in suppreessing outcastes, poor labourers and
those
> who had no wealth
Sinhala racism went beyond acheiving equality in the Lankan society.
They not only sought to end the
dominance of LankanTamils, they wanted to end the very existence of
Tamils as dignified equal citizens.
State sponsored settlements of Sinhalas in an attempt to alter the
demographics of Tamil homelands.
Progroms of violence, Mahavamsa based Sinhala chauvinism, destruction
of Tamil cultural symbols.
I do agree with you that people choose professions which are cloest to
their traditional occupations. But, hegemony
of one group of people against others is not good. Undeniably, the TN
Brahmins were in that postion. Today, they hold
influential positions as leaders in the media, central govt bureacracy
etc. From these positions they constantly inflict
damage on Tamil interests. There is no need for TN Brahmins to fight
us in this manner. The majority in TN do not have any
such bad intentions towards the TN Brahmns. Every one must prosper.
We cannot continue as a divided society. We share
the same soil, historical experience and a common destiny.
However, I agree with you that the Dravidian movement has not benefited
the lowest castes. All the mid rung castes
have taken benefit of the Dravidian movement and have installed their
hegemony. This was never the vision of the Dravidian movement.
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> Mr Vijay Raghavan wrote:
>
> > That means you don't know the history of dravidian movement in
> Tamilnadu.
> > "Aasiyavin Sakkiratees" E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker himself preached hatred
> and
> > recommended killing brahmins. Dravida papers like Nathigam and
> Viduthalai
> > were and full of hatred for Tamil brahmins and some of
> there "articles"
> > were and are obsene. You can see the filth and obscnety in postings
> here
> > like gravid, Madurai Veeran, etc. They are merely echoes of dravidian
> > slogans for 80 years. Hate messages were written on brahmins houses in
> > Madras. I have seen messages like "Ariyane veliyeru" on the houses of
> > brahmins.
>
> Reply:
> Periyar did not preach killing of Brahmins. Nathigam and Viduthalai
> newspapers are critical of the negative role TN Brahmins play when it
> comes to issues relating to Tamils/Tamil Eelam.
You have not read N or V over the years when they were downright abusive of
brahmins using filthy language. The very fact that , even now according to
you, they are critical of Tamil Brahmins w.r.t. Tamils/Tamil elam shows they
are interested in using tamil brahmins as whipping boys . The dravidian
movement has no function or ideology apart from brahmin baiting like the one
you have mentioned. In other words lots of anti-brahmin posts in SCT take
their inspiration from dravidian newspapers like Nathigam and Viduthalai.
All this proves what I have been saying all along.
> This has never ever in
> the history of TN manifested in to violence or blind hatred towards TN
> Brahmins.
If Thanthai Periyar aka Aasiayaavin Sakkiratees aka E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker
said if you see a snake and a brahmin, kill a brahmin first, is that not an
example of blind hatred. I may also add it is an irrational and
self-destructive hatred because if you see a snake first you should be
bothered about the snake.
Belive me, EVR's brahmin would immedietely take to his heels and flee from
the situation leaving the snake and EVR together. Dravidian party members
used to demostrate in front of Govt offices to demand the Govt to chuck out
Brahmins from their jobs. Dravidians processions used to jeer at Brahmins,
taunt them and make oscene gestures and language. Brahmin's houses were
daubed with writings "Aariyane veliyeru" (Aryans get out of Tamilnadu). If
all this is not hatred , what is. Why should anyone believe in your blithe
propaganda that dravidians don't hate brahmins. when 70 years of experience
and history is available to prove the contrary? Why should Dravidians even
now blame tamil brahmins for the plight of srilankan tamils while they have
done precious little.
About your point, there have been no violence against Brahmins, I both
disagree and agree. I disagree because my own neighbour had his kudumi cut
by dravidian supporters. I know of few other cases. I have also heard that
C.N.Annadurai in his younger days used to attack tamil brahmins in
Kanchipuram where he was born and grew up. He escpecially used to attack
those Brahmins who usually follow at the tail end of religious precessions
chanting vedas.
At the same time I agree to your statement because compared to the caste
wars and caste violence which happens in Tamilnadu where thousands have dies
in caste wars under Dravidian aegis, physical violence against brahmins has
been low, in fact so low as to turn a blind eye to it. The reason for that
has been that brahmins have have disrtegarded all the taunts and abuses
against them If that much of taunts and abused have been heaped on any
other caste or comunity like muslims or christians, it would have led to
huge riots leading to much destruction. Just becuase tamil brahmins did not
take the dravdian bait, does not exonerate dravidians.
An example of Dravidian spinelessness can be given. Dravidians used to put
statues and busts of EVR with the words All religions are rubbish. But these
busts and statues were put up invariable where there was a concentration of
tamil brahmins. Dravidians dare not put up these statues in front of Mosques
or Churches. Because they know, if they put up EVRbstatues in front of
Thousand Lights Mosque or Triplicane Mosque, their necks would be cut by
Muslims the next day. Or if they put up EVR statues in front of San Thome
Church, christians would manage to hang dravidians. So Brahmins are a safe
bet where they can be dravidians without fear of retaliation.
Dravidian Veermanai's constant refrain is 'Tamils can be Muslims or
Christians , but not Hindus' . This is another gem of dravidian rationalism.
That makes all the 90% of the population in Tamilnadu non-Tamils in
dravidian eyes because they happen to be Hindus.And to be a Tamil in
dravidian eyes one has to reject all the heritage of Tamils over 2000 years
>
> On the other hand 95% TN Brahmins hate Tamil, Tamils, Tamil Nadu and
> Tamil Eelam.
> To prove my point all you have to do is read the editorials in Hindu.
How did you arrive at the exact statistics of 95%? I suppose it is the
result of Dravidian Rationalism where your emotions rule the world and
thoughts. The proof of 95% is the ediorials of Hindu??? another gem of EVR
type rationalism!!!! Assuming the editors of The Hindu are acting only out
of Tamil brahminical spite for Tamil non-brahmins and assuming there are 3
brahmins involved in Hindu editorials, the Tamil brahmin population should
be 4 or 5, so that 95% can be represented on the editorial board of The
Hindu.
Believe me, there are more than 5 Tamil brahmins in the world, starting
with my own family
>
> The Eelam
> issue is always misrepresented, lied about or fantastic stories of how
> Eelam is a
> threat to India is concocted. Eelam Tamils are fighting for their
> survival. They
> have no ambition beyond that. Even if they are successful in getting
> Eelam, they would
> have nothing to do with India or TN or Pan Tamil nationalism. Even the
> TN Tamils have
> no interest in a Pan Tamil nationalism.
Fine, but the dravidians wasted all the time in anti-brahmin slogans instead
of doing some PR work and lobbying for elam cause.
>
>
> Mr Vijay Raghavan wrote:
> > It is like saying Sinhala racism was merely a reaction to undue Tamil
> > domination in Ceylon. It is true Brahmins took advatage of the
> educational
> > oppurtunities in big numbers and the government jobs were dependent
> upon
> > passing exams. If you call it "dominance", it is merely prejudice. The
> > banking sector was mostly manned by the Chettys . 90% of the Indian
> army ,
> > till 40 years back, was composed of Punjabis. A number of small shops
> were
> > owned by Mudaliars till 50 years back.A number of big landlords were
> and
> > still are vellalas of different castes That happens in all countries
> ina
> > transition to a modern society and economy. People choose professions
> which
> > are closest to their traditional occupations. But the dravidian
> movement
> > had/has vested interest in suppreessing outcastes, poor labourers and
> those
> > who had no wealth
>
> Sinhala racism went beyond acheiving equality in the Lankan society.
> They not only sought to end the
> dominance of LankanTamils,
I would not call that Tamil dominance if there are more tamils in profesions
of say Law or medicine, disproportionate to their numbers. Tamils in
Srilanka worked hard and took up oppurtuniies opened by higher education
faster than sinhalese. You can't call it domination.
> they wanted to end the very existence of
> Tamils as dignified equal citizens.
> State sponsored settlements of Sinhalas in an attempt to alter the
> demographics of Tamil homelands.
> Progroms of violence, Mahavamsa based Sinhala chauvinism, destruction
> of Tamil cultural symbols.
Dravidians should have taken up these mattesr 50 or 60 years ago when these
things started instead doing an anti-brahmin crusade
>
>
> I do agree with you that people choose professions which are cloest to
> their traditional occupations. But, hegemony
> of one group of people against others is not good.
How do you define hegemony one group over another group? Only solid example
I can get is the Bhumiputra policy in malaysia where tamils (and other
Indians) are treated as second class citizens. But Dravidians dare not speak
about such matters
> Undeniably, the TN
> Brahmins were in that postion. Today, they hold
> influential positions as leaders in the media, central govt bureacracy
> etc. From these positions they constantly inflict
> damage on Tamil interests.
This is a typical instance of "dravidian rationalism" which is a code word
for brahmin hatred. You have already proved how 95% of tamil brahmins act
against "Tamil interests". I am satisfied with your considered mathematical
proof.
> There is no need for TN Brahmins to fight
> us in this manner.
Why not? I don't know who is "us" in this when we don't know who is the
poster and what is her/his background.
> The majority in TN do not have any
> such bad intentions towards the TN Brahmns. Every one must prosper.
> We cannot continue as a divided society. We share
> the same soil, historical experience and a common destiny.
>
> However, I agree with you that the Dravidian movement has not benefited
> the lowest castes. All the mid rung castes
> have taken benefit of the Dravidian movement and have installed their
> hegemony. This was never the vision of the Dravidian movement.
Dravidian movement was started by big zamindars and rich people who had
boundless love for the Brtish empire. To some extent they were the
beneficiaries of the british land policies. They could not give a zilch to
what happened to pariars and other downtrodden
dyas'*kr
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Dravidian party members used to demostrate in front of Govt offices to
>demand the Govt to chuck out Brahmins from their jobs. Dravidians
>processions used to jeer at Brahmins, taunt them and make oscene
>gestures and language. Brahmin's houses were daubed with
>writings "Aariyane veliyeru" (Aryans get out of Tamilnadu). If all
>this is not hatred , what is. Why should anyone believe in your blithe
>propaganda that dravidians don't hate brahmins. when 70 years of
>experience and history is available to prove the contrary? Why should
>Dravidians even now blame tamil brahmins for the plight of srilankan
>tamils while they have done precious little.
Are Tamil Brahmins not Dravidian? We in Gujarat call all Brahmins from
Karnataka, Kerala, Tamilnadu, Andhra as Dravid Brahmin. Those who
exclude Tamil Brahmins from being referred to as Dravidians for them is
any one else from other three states a Dravidian, or is Dravidian here
refer to a follower of this or that faction of DMK like ADMK, AIADMK,
and many other?
--
dyas'*kr
http://www.eurosys.net/gujarati
11...@my-deja.com
others. I fully agree with you that the Dravidian leaders and the TN
people have done very little to further the cause of the Eelam
Tamils. History will never treat the TN Tamils kindly for this.
Personally, after seeing the events in Sri Lanka for the past 17 years,
I find it hard to bring myself to hate anyone. But, it gets very
painful to read the Indian media's reaction and treatment of the Eelam
issue. An indifference to the sufferrings. All that weighs heavily is
India's self interest and control over the Trinconamalee harbor.
India had an oppurtunity for brokering peace in 1987. Ideally, India
should have brought the warring parties to the table for peace talks.
Instead, what Rajiv did was wrote up his own Indo-Lanka accord almost
overnight. Only consulted the Lankan govt. Coerced the LTTE.
The second argument is that other separatists will derive inspiration
based on the sucess of the Eelam struggle. A cursory reading of
history will tell that anywhere opression and repression has taken
place people will end up fighting it.
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> any one else from other three states a Dravidian, or is Dravidian here
> refer to a follower of this or that faction of DMK like ADMK, AIADMK,
> and many other?
Drvidian is a follower of one of these plotical movements.
The word 'dravida' was introduced by the British to refer to non-brahmins,
even though no Tamil works prior to 18h C used the term.
dyas'*kr
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> The word 'dravida' was introduced by the British to refer to non-
>brahmins, even though no Tamil works prior to 18h C used the term.
>
The word does not sound Anglo-saxon, does it?
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dyas'*kr
http://www.eurosys.net/gujarati
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> In article <392AC274...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk>,
> "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The word 'dravida' was introduced by the British to refer to non-
> >brahmins, even though no Tamil works prior to 18h C used the term.
> >
>
> The word does not sound Anglo-saxon, does it?
It is not Anglo-saxon. It is sanskrit. It was used by Caldwell to refer
to a group of languages. I believe Caldwell took it from Bhartrhari.
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> Personally, after seeing the events in Sri Lanka for the past 17 years,
> I find it hard to bring myself to hate anyone. But, it gets very
> painful to read the Indian media's reaction and treatment of the Eelam
> issue. An indifference to the sufferrings.
Indian media and Indian Govt's mistake was to bail out an unstable state
like Srilanka on the terms of it's establishment, which made it more
unstable. A stable Srilanka will come only if the aspirations of Ilavar are
seriously taken into account
fid...@my-deja.com
11...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I agree with you on certain points that you make and disagree on few
> others. I fully agree with you that the Dravidian leaders and the TN
> people have done very little to further the cause of the Eelam
> Tamils. History will never treat the TN Tamils kindly for this.
>
years,
> I find it hard to bring myself to hate anyone. But, it gets very
> painful to read the Indian media's reaction and treatment of the
Eelam
> India's self interest and control over the Trinconamalee harbor.
I agree that there are valid concerns on the Tamil situation.But it is
totally wrong to blame Brahmins for that.The reason that India & Indian
media doesn't want to go too deep in this matter is due to its past
painful experience in Sri Lanka.Before the IPKF etc...LTTE had a lot of
support in TN.The LTTE shifted from just being a freedom fighters to
bold & ruthless terrorism activities.In 1987 all the parties involved
bungled and were full of mistrust.The LTTE had the reputation of being
distrustful.Yet there was goodwill towards the LTTE from Tamils.All
that changed when they came into TN and killed the EPRLF leaders etc..
and then Rajiv Gandhi himself.Even tamils saw them as a ruthless
terrorist force.Having created such a scenario,it would be a tough sell
to Indians to help the LTTE.
Then there also another reason.To the world , Sri Lanka is a soverign
country.If India doesn't want Pakis to meddle in Kashmir, then the same
arguments apply to them too.But now that Sri Lanka has asked for
help,India can intervene.if India can negotiate peace, it should
intervene,but it shouldn't be warring with any particular side..
Also even when india won the freesom, it was more due the non-violent
freedom fighters.Thruugh negotiations and also proving that the british
didn't have a right to rule they got the freedom.Similar methoda can be
adopted by the LTTE and surely there will be more support for them.
Finally, Ealam cannot be won with Guns.It'll have to settled by talks
and negotiations.Only then there will be peace.Otherwise the fight will
continue forever,any one side having the upper hand for some period of
time.
dyas'*kr
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > The word 'dravida' was introduced by the British to refer to non-
> > >brahmins, even though no Tamil works prior to 18h C used the term.
> It is sanskrit. It was used by Caldwell to refer
> to a group of languages. I believe Caldwell took it from Bhartrhari.
The word though used in Sanskrit does sound of Dreavidian origin than
Indo-Iranian origin. Can you look up for its etymology, please.
--
dyas'*kr
http://www.eurosys.net/gujarati
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> In article <392B9B68...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk>,
> "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" <00...@vvan.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > The word 'dravida' was introduced by the British to refer to non-
> > > >brahmins, even though no Tamil works prior to 18h C used the term.
>
> > It is sanskrit. It was used by Caldwell to refer
> > to a group of languages. I believe Caldwell took it from Bhartrhari.
>
> The word though used in Sanskrit does sound of Dreavidian origin than
> Indo-Iranian origin. Can you look up for its etymology, please.
The word DOES NOT sound Tamil . You don't have 'dra' beginning in Tamil.
Raghu Seshadri
:
: The word though used in Sanskrit does sound of Dreavidian origin than
: Indo-Iranian origin. Can you look up for its etymology, please.
Your guess is quite correct. No one knows for
sure, but experts believe that tamil -> tamila -> dramila ->dravida
is how it went into sanskrit. This is a word used
by sanskrit-speakers to refer to tamil speakers,
and not used by tamil speakers to refer to themselves
until recently.
RS