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Madurai Veeran

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Puranography or Pornography?

Brahma acted as a priest to officiate the marriage of god Paramasiva with
Parvathi. When Parvathi went round the sacred fire (Omakundam) she held up
the end of her apron in her left hand. It enabled Brahma to have a clear
look at Parvathi’s thighs. On seeing her thighs, Brahma ejaculated his semen
in a vessel nearby. Agasthiar was delivered out of the vessel!

When Parvathi came around the sacred fire Brahma was once again blessed,
with the beautiful sight of her thighs and he once again ejaculated. This
time a number of saints (Rishis) were born in no time. Of them Valkilliyatha
was one.

As Brahma left the place after the marriage, he once again secreted the
semen and dripped it on the ashes of a graveyard. A Rakshasa named
Pooricharavanan was born.

Brahma collected some bones from a burial ground and ejaculated on the heap
of the bones. Instantly a brave and strong man called Salliyan was born.

As he left the grave yard a little quantity of semen spilled on the ground.
A bird appeared there and pecked at the semen of Brahma. The bird became
pregnant and gave birth to a man called sakuni.

Then god Brahma went to a tank. He pumped a little of his semen there. A
frog came and swallowed the semen of Brahma. The frog gave birth to a female
child called |Mandothari.

Atlast Brahma emptied the last drops of his semen on a lotus flower in a
tank. The lotus flower became pregnant and gave birth to a female child
called ‘Padma’.

On seeing his beautiful daughter Padma, Brahma was sexually excited. He
wooed his daughter and wanted to copulate with her. How could a daughter
give consent to her own father? Padma refused. Brahma could not give up his
desire. He began to quote the Vedas to convince her that there was nothing
wrong in having sex with anyone, anytime, anywhere for the sake of giving
birth to a child.

“Mathara Mupathya, susara Mupatithe, Puthrartheetha.
Sagamarthi, Napathra loka, nasthee thath.
Saravam paravo vindu ha, dasmath Puthrar tham.
Matharam suransathee Rehathee”

This is the sanskrit sloka Brahma quoted to his daughter. The sacred verse
enjoins, that for the sake of a child one can enjoy her own sister or
daughter, without any sin attached to it.


Brahma succeeded in convincing his daughter with the help of the Veda and
enjoyed her. Brahma’s semen entered the womb of his daughter. But somehow,
for reasons not known he sucked back his semen from the womb of his
daughter, through his own penis.

The news about god Brahma and his lustful extravagances reached the ears of
king of devas-Devendra. He was excited and sent Thilothama, a dancing girl
of Devalok, to dance before Brahma. She did so. Much enamoured of the beauty
of Thilothama Brahma followed Thilothama to rape her. God Eswara observed
the madness of Brahma. He got angry and cut away one of the heads of Brahma.

Brahma started roaming about in forests. He happened to see a female bear in
a bush. Brahma would not leave it. He went straight to the bear. The female
bear yielded to Brahma’s lust. God Brahma enjoyed the bear, and a human
being with the head of a bear was born. He was called Jambu Vandan, the son
of Brahma.

Then Brahma met Urvasi a divine prostitute. He was erotically aroused by her
beauty. He wooed her and had sex with her on a condition. Accordingly after
enjoying her, he pumped back the semen sucked from the womb of his daughter
Padma into the womb of Urvasi. The child born was named Vasista. Brahma
transferred his powers to Vasista and went away to perform penance for his
sinful sexual exploits.

SUBRAMANIA - GOD

What about Subramanian? It is a Hindu god created some 2000 years ago. There
are two different versions given by Brahmins about the birth of this god.
One is found in the Ramayana itself. I am having the book here (The book is
handed over to the President of the meeting by periyar and he reads the
concerned passage)

Gentleman! See our people were not only fools then but also were devoid of
any self-respect.

It is said the Devas went to Kailas, the abode of Lord Siva and prayed for a
commander (Senathipathi). It seems Siva agreed to fulfill the desires of the
Devas. the Devas went away. Siva met his wife Parvathi and said that they
should give a commander (senathipathi). Both of them agreed. they both
started to have intercourse.

Is this the way to give a Senathipathi? Why should they join together and
enjoy for the sake. I am speaking with facts. Alright, what happened next.
They prolonged their intercourse not for hours or days or weeks or months.
They were in the act of producing a senathipathi for one thousand years at a
stretch. Even then they could not get a child. The poor Devas were puzzled.
They got terrified. Atlast they approached the couple and expressed their
reluctance. On seeing the Devas the couple asked for the reason. The devas
feared if a child was born after 1000 year of intercourse it might even
destroy them. Paramasivan and Parvathi put and sudden stop to their act of
intercourse. This sudden break in the act of intercourse resulted in
secreting sermon as if a river is in floods. The stream of their semen
passed through the rivers and reached the sea. As it floated on the sea it
seems the semonclot had six heads.

What is this calculation? Why it should have only six heads? Who is going to
explain?

The six headed-semen stream reached the gangas. There a woman held it in her
hands and embraced the river. It transformed into a peculiar human being
with six heads. The woman somehow gave her milk to this god of six heads and
named the child as Arumugam. This is the interpretation given by
Vaishnavites. It is found in Valmiki Ramayana.

The Saivites give a different interpretation in that the Devas after waiting
for 1000 years met Sivan and Parvathi. The Devas prostrated and asked them
to stop. Siva refused. He said that if he stops the semen would rush out
with great force. He advised the Devas to get up and hold their hands. They
did accordingly. He stopped. Semon came out. All the Devas received the
semon in their hands. They asked what to do? Siva asked them to drink. The
Devas drank and they instantly became pregnant. Again they became worried
and appealed to Siva. He showed a way out to abort. He asked them to go and
have a bath in a particular tank. They anxiously went to the tank and had
their bath. Abortion took place.

Gentlemen, all these are vividly described in the puranas.

After all these things a few drops of siva’s semon trickled down and they
became the god Subramania. He is also called as Kandan. In Sanskrit Kandan
means semon. In Tamil we call ‘Kandan’. In the sanskrit it is called
‘Skandan’ and it means excretion, that which is ejected.

See, what respect the Brahmins give to the gods. The Brahmins created gods
in these repugnant ways.


[Reproduced from Modern Rationalist]

Madurai Veeran

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Aug 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/2/98
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The point behind posting this article is not to provide
ammunition for those religious fantics to attack Hinduism.
The underlying principle is that as a Hindu, I have a
right to criticise my religion. I am entitled to discover
Hinduism in ways I deem fit.

So, please before you quote the contents of this article,
do some soul searching and bear enough courage to critise the
evils in the religions that you may hold sacrosant. Then your
thoughts will merit appreciation. Otherwise, those thoughts will be
nothing but the lunatic ramblings of a fantic religious
fundamentalist.

Madurai Veeran


fuad

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Hello Hindu stink:
Now, which god do you worship mr stinky. Is it the god of bad smell "Brahma"
or the god of stink "Vishnu" or maybe the god of stupidity "Siva"....
You stupid Hindu are nothing but trash......do you have a god for that?


Mo <11305...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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> Well said. No human being should accept religious gobbledy
>gook and kill others on orders of the Mullahs or priests..

Madurai Veeran

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thiruna...@hotmail.com wrote in message
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>In article <6pvm9q$9nd$1...@nnrp3.snfc21.pbi.net>,
> "Madurai Veeran" <Madurai...@pacbell.net> wrote:
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>
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>Now Mr.MaduraiVeeran can you see the similarities between the "Puranography
>or Pornography(as per your language)" and the COSMIC "mystery" to even
>today's astronomers who have the most sophisticated instruments. If you do
>not see any similarity, I do not have any other way, but to educate the
>ignorant people. And many ignorant people had already questioned the
>Puranography (Just because of their ignorance) and EVR was not the first.
>
>THIRU
>


I am reminded of the scientifc acumen of Rajaji, needless to say a reputed
vedic scholar, when he objected to BCG vaccination on the principles of
science propounded in the Vedic wisdom.

Imagination is a necessary part of science. However, imagination alone is
not
sufficient to call some mental construct as science. Given the enormous
creative power of human mind (including all varnas and those outside
the ambit of varnasrma dharma), one can give even the most absurd
of human imaginations a veneer of profundity. Such is the
nature of the interpretations, the Vedic wise often try to invent.

If the 'scriptures' are texts on Astrophysics and Cosmology,
it should called as such and should be subjected to scientific
scrutiny, when called for. Only the inane and the insane would
call such texts as religio-philosophical doctrines.

Madurai Veeran


Mo

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thiruna...@hotmail.com

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In article <6pvm9q$9nd$1...@nnrp3.snfc21.pbi.net>,
"Madurai Veeran" <Madurai...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Puranography or Pornography?
>
If it proves anything at all, it is that, nothing has happened in this planet
earth, but somewhere else in the universe.

THE HINDU - Friday, July 31, 1998 - PAGE 17
(Only salient points are featured here. Please refer as above for whole text)

A FLASH OF GENIUS OUT OF THE DEPTHS OF SPACE UNRAVELS A COSMIC MYSTERY
----------------------------------------------------------------------

LONDON, July 30 : In May 1969 a rocket took off from Vandenberg Air Force
Base in California on a top-secret mission. On board were two spy satellites
code-named Vela, equipped with detectors designed to find out if the soviets
were carrying out covert nuclear tests in space.

The results beamed back stunned millitary controllers.

They revealed blasts of gamma radiation suddenly bursting out of the depths of
space. Now after 25 years later, the mystery of what the Vela satellites saw
seems finally to have been solved.

"Because there was so little information to go on, ideas ranged from tiny
exploding black holes at the edge of our solar system, to merging pairs of
neutron stars in distant galaxies", says Dr.Ralph Wijers, an astrophysicist at
the State Univeristy of New York.

By the early 1990's hundreds of GRBs had been detected, and they seemed to be
fairly evenly spread across space. For most astronomers, this was a strong
clue that, whatever they were, GRBs were a long way away.

But that simply deepened the mystery. For, if GRBs really were explosions
taking place in other galaxies, their apparent "brightness" meant that they
must be awesomely, astronomically, violent. Astronomers "guesstimated" that
GRBs might even rival supernovas, the proverbially catastrophic explosions of
giant stars long held to be the most violent events in the universe.

Scouring their menagerie of cosmic monsters for anything capable of generating
such energy, astronomers came up with a suitably exotic idea : two neutron
stars crashing into each other.

Astrophysicists sketched out a theory in which two neutron stars might find
themselves siralling around each other. Eventually, they would collide, and
give birth to a black hole. Tearing apart and swallowing every scrap of its
cosmic parents, the black hole would release an unimaginable amount of energy.
Rough estimates suggested that the entire lifetime energy output of the Sun
might be released by the black hole in seconds.

Then in February last year, an Italian-Dutch Satellite called BeppoSAX
detected a burst of gamma rays coming from the sky between the constellations
Orion and Taurus. Within hours, astronomers on the island of Tenerife had
trained a giant telescope on the same spot, and caught the first glimpse of a
GRB in ordinary light.

The conclusion seemed clear : BeppoSAX had caught the gamma rays of a GRB that
had erupted in a galaxy half-way across the universe.

Sir Martin Rees, Britain's Astronomer Royal, and Mr.Peter Meszaros, of
Pennsylvania State University, working with Mr.Ralph Wijers, of State
University of New York, fed figures from BeppoSAX into their formulae, and out
came a truly vast distance to the GRB, since confirmed by more detailed
studies, of about 10 billion light years.

Last December, BeppoSAX's camera glimpsed another GRB, code named 971214.
Within 12 hours of the original alert, a team at the Kitt Peak Observatory in
Arizona had the GRB in their sights, and could just make out its fading glow.
By end of December it had vanished completely, but in its place could see an
incredibly faint galaxy, which is 13 billion light years away, almost on the
edge of the visible Universe.

In just a few minutes GRB 971214 had released more energy than a whole galaxy
does in 10 years. Once more looking into their cosmic menagerie, they found
a beast that appeared to be upto the job: a massive star, perhaps 15 times
greater than the Sun, whose very heart collapses under its own weight and
turns straight into a black hole. This time, the newly spawned black hole's
mean would trigger an explosion capable of outshining even a supernova, and
termed it a Hypernova.

Most GRBs seen so far do, indeed, lie at colossal distances and ultimately,
they all get their energy from the same source: a black hole gulping down the
wreckage of whatever spawned it.
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Now Mr.MaduraiVeeran can you see the similarities between the "Puranography
or Pornography(as per your language)" and the COSMIC "mystery" to even
today's astronomers who have the most sophisticated instruments. If you do
not see any similarity, I do not have any other way, but to educate the
ignorant people. And many ignorant people had already questioned the
Puranography (Just because of their ignorance) and EVR was not the first.

THIRU

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mung...@mindspring.com

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On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:06:26 -0500, "fuad" <ale...@flash.net> wrote:

>Hello Hindu stink:
>Now, which god do you worship mr stinky. Is it the god of bad smell "Brahma"
>or the god of stink "Vishnu" or maybe the god of stupidity "Siva"....
>You stupid Hindu are nothing but trash......do you have a god for that?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Mo <11305...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
><35ce1cfb....@news.clara.net>...

that should be your god..
Irrelevant and too puny to have any impact on Hindu philosophy.
As the old adage goes"empty vessels make the most noise"...you and
your fellow fanatic and ignorant freaks are a living testimony to
this..


.


Raghu Seshadri

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Madurai Veeran (Madurai...@pacbell.net) wrote:
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: I am reminded of the scientifc acumen of Rajaji, needless to say a reputed

: vedic scholar, when he objected to BCG vaccination on the principles of
: science propounded in the Vedic wisdom.

Don't know if you are just joking,
but one can never tell. Assuming you are
serious, this is just bosh, as Rajaji was
no vedic scholar, and he didn't object to
bcg on the basis of any vedic wisdom either.

RS

Pradip Parekh

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Pres Nixon sent his special emissary at Rajaji's funeral as the American
tribute to what Pres Kennedy earlier had said "the most civilizing
influence" of Rajaji. I would be gretaly surprised if there is any
credibility to Veeran's assertion about Rajaji.

Also, it seems Veeran holds DMK point of view regarding Hinduism.

Pradip Parekh


Raghu Seshadri wrote in message <6q4v48$e...@darkstar.ucsc.edu>...

P.Siddharth

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mung...@mindspring.com wrote:

> > that should be your god..
> Irrelevant and too puny to have any impact on Hindu philosophy.
> As the old adage goes"empty vessels make the most noise"...you and
> your fellow fanatic and ignorant freaks are a living testimony to
> this..
>
>

We should thank the hero for bringing the EVR philosophy to the net. You
obviously do not appreciate EVR's sayings as you DO NOT belong to the
backward Dravidian cult. Your mind has been polluted by going to the
libraries and getting education. EVR and his followers cannot be blamed
for education and intelligence.One has to have a blank mind Maybe
knowing how to add 2plus2 may not disqualify you even though EVR was so
pure that he could not even do that.You should also have got a blank
answer paper caste degree which does not corrupt the mind with lot of
knowledge crap.The hero has a mind like a clean slate.

Johnson Anthony

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> Ofcourse Brahmins create anything
> and everything for their own survival without getting involved in the
> community or society to prosper or progress. They are still ruling with
> all their wrath in them and there is no one to challenge and that is
> HINDUSTAN _ WHERE ONLY BRAHMINS CAN BECOME PMS.

S.L.

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just like the WHITE CHRISTIANS ONLY can be Presidents in the U.S.!
even a woman can't make it.
at least we have had a woman prime minister in India...
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Dr. Jai Maharaj

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It will be interesting to find the number
of U.S. presidents who were not blue-eyed.
Researchers, get going!

Jai Maharaj
http://www.flex.com/~jai
Om Shanti

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