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C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering

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Aug 27, 1992, 3:17:42 PM8/27/92
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In article <1992Aug27.1...@menudo.uh.edu>, Venkatachalam Aruna (Affable) writes:
> In article <BtnD8...@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> selv...@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
> (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
> >
> > mUlai mudukku will be a doublet which in Tamil is called "iNai mozhi"
> > such as "mutti mOthi" = "by hitting and banging", "azhuthu pulambi"
> > ="weeping and wailing" etc. And these are different from Tamil
> > doublets "kala kala enRu siriththaaL" = she laughed heartily
> > ( kala kala is known as olikuRippu) and this doublet is called
> > irattaik kiLavi(??) in which the repeated word "kala" can not give
> "irattaik kiLavi" is correct. Why such odd name?
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Thanks. Please see below.

> > a meaning standing alone. [ In tamil ther is another uyiraana
> > doublet such as Odi Odi uzhaiththaan.. where the repeated word
> > "Odi" *can* stand alone and give meaning and there are numerous
> They are called as "adukkuth thodar" in tamil.
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Thanks, please see below.

> > anbudan
> > Selva Selvakumar (selv...@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca)
>
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It is called irattai kiLavi because first it is a doublet ( irattai)
and it is an expression/saying ( kiLavi). kiLaththal means to say,
to speak. "kiLanthaan" = he said. Tholkaappiyar talks about kiLavi
aakkam.
[ please don't get confused with ( or take it as digression)
kizhavi = old lady; here the meaning of old lady comes about
because "kizhamai" means "urimai" or "right". Since a
kizhavi has lived long on this earth she has "more right".
In the expression "kizhavan kizhaththi" what is meant is
" urimai uLLa oruvanum oruththiyum". The names of days in
a week like "puthan kizhamai" refer to the fact that that
day is supposed to be "puthan"'s day or puthanukku urimaiyaana
naaL. ...]
The tamil word kiLavi comes from Tamil root kiL > kiLa
where kiL = "to split", "to separate", "to pinch", "to branch"
Now you can think of many words from this "kiLai". In Tamil the
l/L/zh changes will occur with changes in the nuances of meaning
( which of course can become in due course very different in
meaning). An example is "kizhi" = tear, another is kili = fear.

I would like to summarize the various doublet/pair words in Tamil


[1]*same* words repated ( twice),but do not have any meaning appearing singly.
This is irattaik kiLavi. These forms impart a dramatic/graphic quality
of sense to the words.
examples: kathiravan thaga thaga ena ezhunthaan (the sun rose thaga thaga)
avaL kala kala ena siriththaaL ( she heartily laughed 'kala^2)
thirudan thiru thiru ena muzhiththaan ..
Please also recall that many of the doublets can be used as
!*verbs*! !
avaL vandha pin vIdE kala-kalaththathu;
udal kaaichchalaal ( due to fever) thaga-thagaththathu;
avan nadanthaal nilamE kidu-kidukkum ...

And ! noun-forms can be built too: example suRu-suRuppu.

[2] *same* words repeated(twice), but the word has a well defined meaning and
*can* be used singly. This is known as adukku thodar.
Example : vizhunthu vizhundhu siriththaan.
Odi Odi uzhaiththaan
thEdi thEdi alaindhEn
padiththu padiththu chonnEn...
apart from these verbal forms of "vizhundhu, Odi.." we
also have other noun/adjective-type repetitions
Example: parunthu uyara uyara paranthathu ( the eagle
soared higher and higher.)
siRuka siRuka ( litle by little)
and so on...

[3] two *different* words used as a *pair* and both can stand alone and
convey meaning. This is known as 'iNai mozhi'.
Examples: thiruttu pirattu illaathavan ( one who has
no devious ways - thiruttu= theft, pirattu=deviousness,
cheating ).
mUttai- mudichchu , mutti-mOthi, azhuthu-pulambi ...and so on.
Here too there are verbal and nounal(?) forms are available.

[4] two *different* words used but the first one has a meaning and the second
is called an echo word which merely rhymes with the prefix "ki" and has
by itself no meaning but conveys a general meaning of "some such thing/
action" and as valaNYar Asokan said which serves often the purpose of
"diluting the specificity" among other things.

Example: adichchiyo kidichchiyo
maadu kIdu, aRivu-kiRivu, puththagam-kiththagam....

[5] two *different* words are used and *both* are meaningless and are
merely olikuRippu's at best.
Example: kichchu muchchu; sadu gudu, kadukku-mudukku(?)...

Since the categories 4 and 5 don't seem to have some Tamil terms
to describe, valaNYar's can attempt to coin suitable terms.

anbudan
Selva Selvakumar

Balaji Kannan

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Aug 27, 1992, 7:06:07 PM8/27/92
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Selva Selvakumar writes:

> Yes, mUlai mudukku is very popular where *both* the words "mUlai

> mUlai mudukku will be a doublet which in Tamil is called "iNai mozhi"


Some more iNai mozhi
[or so I believe]

veedu vilaasam
kashta nashtam [T'ized Skt]
sandhu pondhu (noun)
karadu mo(u)radu(adj)?
mootai mudichchu?(noun)
mutti mOdhi(adv) ?
thattu thadumari (adv)?
verkka virivirukka (adv)
aadi asanji (adv)
urundu perandu (adv)
niruthi nidhaanama (adv)
kelvi ketpaadu - not sure.
thedi thu(o)lavi

> doublets "kala kala enRu siriththaaL" = she laughed heartily
> ( kala kala is known as olikuRippu) and this doublet is called

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Onomatopeia? Well, here are some more:

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silu silu [nu Kaaththu adikarathu]
[different from c(j)hillu kaaththu]
thara thara [nu izhuthundu..]
vallu vallu [nu Kuraika...]
pada pada [nu nenju....]
veel veel [nu kaththaraan..] [kuvaa kuvaa also]
[keech keech also]
[labO labO also]

kAvi kAvi [azhudaan..] [vikki vikki]
[nai nai - pestilential
cribbing]
vala vala [nu pAsadhA]

gara gara [nu thondai/ku(o)ral]

The noun "kaakaa" itself is of onomatopeic origin, it appears.
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Any more that you can think of? Please add to the list.


anbudan
bk

mahdyh...@gmail.com

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