Tamils
Umberto Gui
When I look at Tamil internet sites and on this discussion group at
Tamil thinking, I realise why it is that the Sinhalese treat Tamils as
ALIENS.
In Sri Lanka, there is a Sri Lankan nation, which includes all races,
that has pride in Sri Lankan history, its culture, its cricket team, its
country etc..etc..
It is the same in the US, where various races have allegiance to
everything US.
In Sri Lanka, there is a large section of Tamils, whose tastes, fans,
culture etc. and allegiances are towards India and Tamil Nadu.
There whole culture is to try and undermine and redicule the native Sri
Lankan culture, language etc and are always looking for third parties or
OUTSIDERS to intervene on their behalf.
Under English language, the Tamils felt that they were EQUAL or 50:50
with the 75% Sinhalese and thus had a dominant position in the
administration. Under Sinhala only, this dominance was lost. They wanted
Tamil, in order to gain parity or 50:50. Their land claims reflect this.
Tamils are a 12% minority, now reduced to about 8% because of the war,
wanting to be 50:50 with a 75% majority. Something no country on earth
has.
Now even in Canada are the Tamils 50:50 with the whites.?
The Tamil race has been fighting the whole of this century to maintain
an unnatural 50:50 position they had enjoyed During a colonial
administration, which was constantly at war with the 75% majority.
Tamils are a minority who have had a privileged status under the
colonial powers ( divide and rule), which got eroded to its natural
position under a Sri Lanka administration.
These Tamils want themselves restored to a dominant privileged position
once again ( living in the past) and in order to do this they realise
that they need some outside power to come and increase there leverage.
In order to do this they have always looked at India.
This is like Muslim Kashmiri's in India, looking at Pakistan to enhance
their position in a Hindu Country.
These Tamils would love it, if India was to invade Sri Lanka and place
the Tamils as the administrators and confidants of the Indians in Sri
Lanka, similar to the influential role they enjoyed under the Colonial
powers who were at war with the Sinhalese majority based in Kandy.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
The Tamils have a big problem with the word "minority" in Sri Lanka.
They are a minority in Canada, UK etc, but in Sri Lanka, they do not
want to be a minority.
Its all to do with the frame of the mind. The Tamils have a superiority
complex. They think their BOYS are invincible, that they are intelligent
and that the Sinhalese is inferior and cannot compete with their
superiority.
They think that they are intelligent and strong enough to dominate the
Sinhala buddhist state, hold it to ransom and make their demands.
Sri Lankan leaders have realised this from the very beginning and I take
my hat off to them for consistently following a strategy of empowering
the Sri lankan state by re-training, re-arming and expanding the Sri
Lankan forces in tandem with economic development.
The Sri Lankan forces have now fast reaching a stage where the
OVERWHELMING authority of the state will be UNDISPUTED.
Nationalistic Tamils now are faced with two options.
Fall into line, as a minority in a multi-cultural Sinhala buddhist
country or die.
Umberto Gui
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> This is like Muslim Kashmiri's in India, looking at Pakistan to enhance
> their position in a Hindu Country.
>
India is not a Hindu country so far unlike SL which has declared itself
as a
Buddhist country. In Kashmir, no non-Kashmiris can buy land. Kashmiris
run
their own education , local justice, local administration, local police,
local border police, local anti-separatist militant groups. have their
own
political parties and their own legislature and a Chief Ministeretc. In
other words, they have complete control over their daily lives. On the
top
of it, India recognizes that Kashmir is the Homeland of Kashmiris, and
that
is why they remain a separate state in India running their own
administration.
The present chief minister is also a Kashmiri Muslim, even though
muslims
form only a little over 50% in Jammu and Kashmir State. Majority of
armed
militants in Kashmir are Islamic groups sponsored by Pakistan, without
whose
help they cannot enter India.
Now, none of this is present in Srilanka. Srilankan Tamils are not
allowed
to call where they live as their homeland, which they want to call as
eelam.
It is wholly immaterial what is the "origin" of the word, which you say
is
Sinhalese language. Even if it is true, it no way prejudices the
political
claims of the Tamils in SL There is a no political shape to their
homeland
like the Kashmiri muslims have in the shape of State of Kashnir, where
they
run their own affairs. Non-Tamils have a right to buy land in their
areas
unlike Kashmir, where non-Kashmiris cannot do so. There is no civil war
in
Kashmir unlike Srilanka. Islmic militants trained in Afghanistan cross
the
border into India with the open connivance of Pakistan and are duly
killed
by Indian border troops. The Srilankan tamils do their own fighting with
absolutely no help from outside. Even if the Tamil position in Srilanka
is
to become that of Kashmiri Muslims, it will be a great advance and I bet
LTTE will not have any justification after that. In the case of Kashmir,
the
militancy is kept alive by Pakistan, but if there is a Tamil Kashnir in
Srilanka, there will be absolutely no support, even moral support, by
Tamils
in Tamilnadu or any Indian and SL can be sure that tamil militancy is a
thing of the past
It is good that the Kashniris were brought in comparison with SL tamils.
Alas, SL tamils have not reached the position of Kashniris in India
> These Tamils would love it, if India was to invade Sri Lanka and place
> the Tamils as the administrators and confidants of the Indians in Sri
> Lanka,
We all know how much of confidants and administrators were with IPKF in
'89.
If Indian forces enter SL again, it will be to catch Prabakaran since he
is
convicted in Indian courts and not excatly to kiss Tamils. By and large,
Indian govt has washed it's hands off SL and Tamils also know it
> Sri Lankan leaders have realised this from the very beginning and I take
> my hat off to them for consistently following a strategy of empowering
> the Sri lankan state by re-training, re-arming and expanding the Sri
> Lankan forces in tandem with economic development.
If the Srilankan forces and ordinary soldiers had a sizable tamil
presense ,
then the strategy would have been workable. Anyway much of the
re-training,
re-arming and expanding Srilankan forces was done to suppress the civil
war
in the south with the leftists which probably cost as much in human
lives as
the civil war in the north. Srilanka is the only country in the world
which
can be proud of doing all it's battles with it's own population for 30
years
with not a single shot fired at external enemies.All it's defence budget
goes in fighting it's own citizens, it's guns, planes, bullets, tanks
are
bought to kill and maim it's own citizens, it's airforce knows of no
battles
outside it's borders, it's army knows no outside forces in battles.
Bravo.
keep it up
lacorti
the civil administration during the colonial period it is because they
were more hard working and disciplined than the Sinhalese. Since
independence the Sinhalese have gained the upper hand, but only by
discriminating against the Tamils.
Tamil numbers in Sri Lanka may be diminishing, but that's only because
the Sri Lankan government is either killing them, starving them, or
forcing them to leave. The fact that they are a minority does not
matter, they are still entitled to independence, just like the Kosovars,
who are also a minority in Yugoslavia.
> This is like Muslim Kashmiri's in India, looking at Pakistan to enhance
> their position in a Hindu Country.
>
> These Tamils would love it, if India was to invade Sri Lanka and place
> the Tamils as the administrators and confidants of the Indians in Sri
> Lanka, similar to the influential role they enjoyed under the Colonial
> powers who were at war with the Sinhalese majority based in Kandy.
>
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
> The Tamils have a big problem with the word "minority" in Sri Lanka.
> They are a minority in Canada, UK etc, but in Sri Lanka, they do not
> want to be a minority.
>
> Its all to do with the frame of the mind. The Tamils have a superiority
> complex. They think their BOYS are invincible, that they are intelligent
> and that the Sinhalese is inferior and cannot compete with their
> superiority.
> They think that they are intelligent and strong enough to dominate the
> Sinhala buddhist state, hold it to ransom and make their demands.
>
> Sri Lankan leaders have realised this from the very beginning and I take
> my hat off to them for consistently following a strategy of empowering
> the Sri lankan state by re-training, re-arming and expanding the Sri
> Lankan forces in tandem with economic development.
>
lacorti
>
> lacorti wrote:
>
>The Blacks and Indians in the UK and the US say the same thing,
>that they are more hardworking and disciplined than the whites.
I don't think the Blacks in the US say anything of the sort, because
they lag far behind any other group, and in fact are not known for
hard work.
>
>
>Reality is son, all humans are equal, and given equal allocation of resouces,
>all will perform equally, given various disabilities within each group.
All humans are equal but culture shapes their success.
Observe the Chinese in Malaysia and in Indonesia, where they
are far ahead of the Bumiputras, nonwithstanding institutional
discrimination against them. Equally, Jews are extrodinarily
successful in the US.
>
> The Sinhalaese living in his own home, in his own land, can only smile at the Coolie who says....."look, I am so hard working and disciplined....thats why the great white master chose me and not you, to live in a room in a line and do this important job of plucking tea leaves.
Silly propaganda, furthermore, the land of Sri Lanka also belongs to the
Tamils, allowing for the Vedda.
>
> If you look at the educational statistics on Sri Lanka, you will find that Tamils are lesser qualified and lesser educated than the low country
> Sinhalese.....refer to S J Thambiah, "Ethnic Fratricide and the dismantling of Sri Lanka's democracy."
This sounds like your usual propaganda. If it is true, as you said, if
you are denied equal oppotunities you will lag behind.
>
> If Tamils are discriminated, they should petition the Supreme Court on
> violation of Fundamental rights, as stated by the US State Department.
>
Another silly suggestion
Tamils have the same right to independence as the Jews of England, since
the Jews have been in England longer than Tamils have in Sri Lanka.
>
Another silly remark
> Kosovo is a distict country.
Just like Eelam
>
> The whole world is supporting us and NO ONE is supporting you, because of this.
>
Well, the world is a very unjust place, but the struggle will continue
nonetheless. It is better to fight and die for freedom than to live as a
slave.
Umberto Gui
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
> Umberto Gui wrote:
>
> > This is like Muslim Kashmiri's in India, looking at Pakistan to enhance
> > their position in a Hindu Country.
> >
>
> India is not a Hindu country so far unlike SL which has declared itself
> as a
> Buddhist country.
India is called Hindustan. There are newspapers and cars called Hindustan ,
Hindu etc as well.
Sri lanka is not called Buddhistan and neither do we have cars and newspapers
called Buddhistan or anything like that.
> In Kashmir, no non-Kashmiris can buy land.
In Jaffna, non Tamils have problems buying land. Even those who have land,
like the Muslims, have been ethnically cleansed and killed by the Tamil
fanatics.
> Kashmiris
> run
> their own education , local justice, local administration, local police,
> local border police, local anti-separatist militant groups. have their
> own
> political parties and their own legislature and a Chief Ministeretc. In
> other words, they have complete control over their daily lives. On the
> top
> of it, India recognizes that Kashmir is the Homeland of Kashmiris, and
> that
> is why they remain a separate state in India running their own
> administration.
>
> The present chief minister is also a Kashmiri Muslim, even though
> muslims
> form only a little over 50% in Jammu and Kashmir State. Majority of
> armed
> militants in Kashmir are Islamic groups sponsored by Pakistan, without
> whose
> help they cannot enter India.
>
> Now, none of this is present in Srilanka.
That is because Sri lanka is smaller than Kashmir and Sri Lanka is the
homeland of the Sinhalese as Kashmir is the Homeland of the Kashmers.
> Srilankan Tamils are not
> allowed
> to call where they live as their homeland, which they want to call as
> eelam.
It is the same as Tamils in Bangalore will not be allowed to call Tamil parts
of Bangalore Thamil eelam or Tamil nadu.
>
> It is wholly immaterial what is the "origin" of the word, which you say
> is
> Sinhalese language. Even if it is true, it no way prejudices the
> political
> claims of the Tamils in SL There is a no political shape to their
> homeland
> like the Kashmiri muslims have in the shape of State of Kashnir, where
> they
> run their own affairs.
It is material.
You cannot make Madras into Islamamadras and then claim that it is a muslim
homeland.
Similerly, You cannot make Wellawatta in Colombo, a Tamil area into
Wellawattai and call it a Tamil Homeland.
You cannot make Weligama in jaffna into Weligamam and then call it a Tamil
homeland
You cannot Make madakalapuwa into Mattakkalapu and then call it a Tamil
homeland
You cannot make Sinhalam into Eelam and call it an ancient Tamil homeland.
You cannot make East ham in London into Easthamam and call it a Tamil
homeland.
> Non-Tamils have a right to buy land in their
> areas
> unlike Kashmir, where non-Kashmiris cannot do so. There is no civil war
> in
> Kashmir unlike Srilanka.
WE have no civil war in Sri Lanka. We have Tamil terrorists terrorising the
inhabitants in a jungle and setting off bombs in Colombo.
More bombs have been exploded By the IRA in London that by the LTTE in
Colombo. There is no civil war in London northern Ireland or Sri Lanka.
> Islmic militants trained in Afghanistan cross
> the
> border into India with the open connivance of Pakistan and are duly
> killed
> by Indian border troops. The Srilankan tamils do their own fighting with
> absolutely no help from outside.
It was Indira Gandhi's India which trained and armed the Tamil militants and
send them to Sri Lanka to destabilise our country. It was in India that
Prabakaran went into hiding when we chased him out. Now after the LTTE blew up
Rajiv Gandhi, India has realised its mistakes.
> Even if the Tamil position in Srilanka
> is
> to become that of Kashmiri Muslims, it will be a great advance and I bet
> LTTE will not have any justification after that. In the case of Kashmir,
> the
> militancy is kept alive by Pakistan, but if there is a Tamil Kashnir in
> Srilanka, there will be absolutely no support, even moral support, by
> Tamils
> in Tamilnadu or any Indian and SL can be sure that tamil militancy is a
> thing of the past
It is a thing of the past.
Thats why we are now in Jaffna and the Tamil militants are hiding behind
bushes in the jungles.
>
>
> It is good that the Kashniris were brought in comparison with SL tamils.
> Alas, SL tamils have not reached the position of Kashniris in India
I see no difference.
Kashmiri's are muslims in a Hindu land.
Tamils are Hindu's in a Buddhist land.
Both are using Terrorism to break away.
>
>
> > These Tamils would love it, if India was to invade Sri Lanka and place
> > the Tamils as the administrators and confidants of the Indians in Sri
> > Lanka,
>
> We all know how much of confidants and administrators were with IPKF in
> '89.
> If Indian forces enter SL again, it will be to catch Prabakaran since he
> is
> convicted in Indian courts and not excatly to kiss Tamils. By and large,
> Indian govt has washed it's hands off SL and Tamils also know it
>
We know. It would have been better all round, if India had not interfred in
the first place.
>
> > Sri Lankan leaders have realised this from the very beginning and I take
> > my hat off to them for consistently following a strategy of empowering
> > the Sri lankan state by re-training, re-arming and expanding the Sri
> > Lankan forces in tandem with economic development.
>
> If the Srilankan forces and ordinary soldiers had a sizable tamil
> presense ,
> then the strategy would have been workable.
We are quite happy to have Tamils in the army if they want to join. By having
a Tamil policeforce in Jaffna, we can release more army men to fight the LTTE
in the jungle. Byt Tamils are too afraid to join, thinking that the LTTE will
kill their families.
> Anyway much of the
> re-training,
> re-arming and expanding Srilankan forces was done to suppress the civil
> war
> in the south with the leftists which probably cost as much in human
> lives as
> the civil war in the north. Srilanka is the only country in the world
> which
> can be proud of doing all it's battles with it's own population for 30
> years
> with not a single shot fired at external enemies.All it's defence budget
> goes in fighting it's own citizens, it's guns, planes, bullets, tanks
> are
> bought to kill and maim it's own citizens, it's airforce knows of no
> battles
> outside it's borders, it's army knows no outside forces in battles.
> Bravo.
> keep it up
Yes....
Just like Kashmir, Punjab, Tamil Nadu, and other seperatists in the East.
India can be proud that it has fought wars or interfered with all its
neighbours including Sri Lanka.
China
bangladesh
Burma
Pakistan.
Blockaded and bullied Nepal.
Burnt Christians and bibles
Burnt Sikhs and Muslims....
Is there any minority or adjoining country India has not got violently
involved with?
Ah, What a life what a circus.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> You have spoken absolute rubbish.
Yes, dear?
> If the Tamils had greater influence in
> the civil administration during the colonial period it is because they
> were more hard working and disciplined than the Sinhalese.
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Hard working intelligent superior Tamils, huh?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h ha ha ha
The Blacks and Indians in the UK and the US say the same thing, that they are
more hardworking and disciplined than the whites. The Indians and the Whites
in South African say the same thing about the Blacks there.
Yours, is a minority song, sung by minorities all over the world.
Reality is son, all humans are equal, and given equal allocation of resouces,
all will perform equally, given various disabilities within each group.
Your theory that Tamils are hard working and disciplined and therefore got the
priviledge of living in a room in a line and plucking tea leaves is like the
black slaves telling the free arabs, "look, I am so good, hard working and
desciplined...thats why the great white master chose me as a slave and not
you"......The arab can only smile.
The Sinhalaese living in his own home, in his own land, can only smile at the
Coolie who says....."look, I am so hard working and disciplined....thats why
the great white master chose me and not you, to live in a room in a line and
do this important job of plucking tea leaves.
If you look at the educational statistics on Sri Lanka, you will find that
Tamils are lesser qualified and lesser educated than the low country
Sinhalese.....refer to S J Thambiah, "Ethnic Fratricide and the dismantling of
Sri Lanka's democracy."
> Since
> independence the Sinhalese have gained the upper hand, but only by
> discriminating against the Tamils.
>
I am sure the Whites and Indians in South Africa will soon be telling the
blacks, that they are gaining the upper hand, only by discriminating Whites
and Indians.
If Tamils are discriminated, they should petition the Supreme Court on
violation of Fundamental rights, as stated by the US State Department.
>
> Tamil numbers in Sri Lanka may be diminishing, but that's only because
> the Sri Lankan government is either killing them, starving them, or
> forcing them to leave. The fact that they are a minority does not
> matter, they are still entitled to independence, just like the Kosovars,
> who are also a minority in Yugoslavia.
Tamils have the same right to independence as the Jews of England, since the
Jews have been in England longer than Tamils have in Sri Lanka.
Kosovo is a distict country.
Tamils have no country in Sri Lanka. By making Sinhalese Weligama into
Weligamam and Sinhalese Madakalapuwa into Mattakkalapu, Tamils cannot
manufacture homelands in Sri Lanka.
The whole world is supporting us and NO ONE is supporting you, because of
this.
Umberto Gui
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> When I look at Tamil internet sites and on this discussion group at
> Tamil thinking, I realise why it is that the Sinhalese treat Tamils as
> ALIENS.
>
>
>
> It is the same in the US, where various races have allegiance to
> everything US.
Srilanka is most unlike the USA. To start with, the USA has a self-image
of
a country made by immigrants. Whereas the people in SL are settled
populations, settled in their homeland for centuries. In the US
political
sytem, there are 51 states where even the laws are different for each
state.
USA is a federal system with power devolved to the federating states. In
SL,
there is hardly any devolution of power. In the USA, there is a
separation
between state and religion whereas in SL, Buddhism is the state
religion.
The Srilankan offcicial version is that Srilanka is the
Sinhalese-Buddhist
country whereas in ther USA,there is no such official allegience to an
ethnic or religious group. Officially, Srilanka is an ethno-centric
country,
but the USA is not ethnocentric and ethnocentrism is actively
discouraged.
As you admit, Sinhalese treat tamils as ALIENS. In the USA Califonians
don't
treat Virginians as aliens or Italian-americans don't treat
Greek-americans
as aliens
> In Sri Lanka, there is a large section of Tamils, whose tastes, fans,
> culture etc. and allegiances are towards India and Tamil Nadu.
No, If the allegience of the SL tamils is towards India/Tamilnadu, LTTE
would not have fought with IPKF in '89.SL Tamils by definition share the
language with Indian Tamils. Needless to say, things like literature,
films, drama, festivela, etc they have much in common with Tamilnadu.
But in various things, they do share lots of things with Sinhalese
including caste system. Having co-habited with sinhalese for centuries,
naturally there should be much interaction. This is no different from
the sinhalese claim that they also came from India and follow a religion
founded in India
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> Umberto Gui wrote:
> >
> > lacorti wrote:
> >
> >The Blacks and Indians in the UK and the US say the same thing,
> >that they are more hardworking and disciplined than the whites.
>
> I don't think the Blacks in the US say anything of the sort, because
> they lag far behind any other group, and in fact are not known for
> hard work.
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
Not as hard woking as the Tamils, huh?
Here's a mind boggling question.
Who works harder?
Is it the Tamils plucking tea leaves?
Is it the blacks working in Cotton plantations in the US?
I personally think, the blacks will win hands down. They work much harder than the Tamils. If Tamils worked harder, they would be the slaves of the world. They are not. They are semi-slaves living in rooms in line plucking leaves in Plantations.
The hard working ones are in the US. They are also the best athletes and boxers.
What can Tamils do?
Fuck all.
How dare you compare feeble, Tamil coolies with hard working progessive US blacks who have contributed so much to world athletics, Boxing Music etc......
What has Tamils contributed?
More like defrauded the social security systems in the West, than making any contribution.
Ah! I forgot. According to the Toronto Police, Tamils have contributed to gangland thuggery, murder and violence.
>
> >
> >
> >Reality is son, all humans are equal, and given equal allocation of resouces,
> >all will perform equally, given various disabilities within each group.
>
> All humans are equal but culture shapes their success.
> Observe the Chinese in Malaysia and in Indonesia, where they
> are far ahead of the Bumiputras, nonwithstanding institutional
> discrimination against them. Equally, Jews are extrodinarily
> successful in the US.
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he h he he he h he he
Why do I get the feeling that you were educated in jaffna.?
Why do you think all these immigrant groups went to those countries in the first place?
Perhaps because the Bumiputras had already built up their countries to a good standards.
Why do Tamils run to Canada and to the UK more than they run to poor Tamil Nadu?
he he he he he he he he he he he he
Fool.
Jews are very rich and succesful in the US. But Israel is not exactly a World economic power.
Indians are rich and successful in the UK. But India is not exactly in the first world.
Has your little Jaffna brain wondered why?
If Culture is the determining factor, then Israel and India should be world economic powers.
Jaffna educated fool.
All Humans are the same, and perform equally, if equal resouces are allocated.
Minorities in Countries...Ie. Jews in the US, Chinese in Malaya etc feel insecure and thus allocate more resouces in order to succeed. Thats why they are successful.
First generation Indians in Britain, own shops, get up at 3 in the morning, takes in the milk and the papers and get ready to open shop. Their kids educated in the UK are more secure and British.
Now, ask them to get up at 3 and get the newspapers and the milk in and they will ask you to fuck off.
What idiots your race produce.
>
>
> >
> > The Sinhalaese living in his own home, in his own land, can only smile at the Coolie who says....."look, I am so hard working and disciplined....thats why the great white master chose me and not you, to live in a room in a line and do this important job of plucking tea leaves.
>
> Silly propaganda,
The truth hurts eh?
See all those intelligent hard working Tamils who almost killed themselves travelling to Sri Lanka and then to live in a room in a line and work their bollocks off and they tell us, "hey!, we are so smart, thats why the great white master chose us and not you, to live in a room in a
line and work your bollocks off".
The Sinhala man living in his home in his own land can only smile.
> furthermore, the land of Sri Lanka also belongs to the
> Tamils, allowing for the Vedda.
Sri Lanka is a Sinhala buddhist state and if anyone can call it their homeland, it is the Sinhalese. Today, Sri Lanka is the home of all its peoples and races. NO Tamil coolie who swarmed the ancient Sinhalese homelands can change Weligama in Jaffna to Weligamam can then claim it to
be a Tamil homeland.
the Tamil homeland is in Tamil nadu.
Tamils in Sri Lanka, malaya, mauritious, South Africa cannot claim Tamil homelands in all these countries as Jews all over Europe cannot claim Jewish homelands all over Europe.
>
>
> >
> > If you look at the educational statistics on Sri Lanka, you will find that Tamils are lesser qualified and lesser educated than the low country
> > Sinhalese.....refer to S J Thambiah, "Ethnic Fratricide and the dismantling of Sri Lanka's democracy."
>
> This sounds like your usual propaganda. If it is true, as you said, if
> you are denied equal oppotunities you will lag behind.
he he he he he he he h he he he he he he
You keep contadicting yourself.
So you now agree that all humans are equal and given equal opportunity they will perform equally well.
Your inferior Jaffna education is the cause of all your problems. You should have been educated in India. They have a much better education system than Jaffna fools.
>
>
> >
> > If Tamils are discriminated, they should petition the Supreme Court on
> > violation of Fundamental rights, as stated by the US State Department.
> >
> Another silly suggestion
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I know. Its silly for the Jaffna educated to address their problems in the courts. They prefer Terrorism.
>
>
> Tamils have the same right to independence as the Jews of England, since
> the Jews have been in England longer than Tamils have in Sri Lanka.
> >
> Another silly remark
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
Tamils are a very silly race. Thats why they are walking around with a terrorist tag around their necks and now hiding behind bushes in the vanni, waiting for Sinhalese to send them food lorry's.
How silly can you get.
>
>
> > Kosovo is a distict country.
> Just like Eelam
You mean...Sinhalam........The Sinhalese homeland....
TAMIL EELAM ?
.
Dr. S. Krishnaswami Aiyangar of the Madras University
writing on 29.8.1926 the Foreword to Ancient Jaffna by
Mudaliyar C. Rasanayagam says: "The attempt of the
author to derive the name Ilam does not appeal to us as quite
successful; Ilam to us seems to be directly derived from the
Pali word Sihala, which in Tamil would be Singalam or even
Singanam, but a strict Tamilising would make it Ilam...."
Ancient Jaffna-Mudaliyar C Rasanayagam (Foreword p. v.).
The Tamil Lexicon gives the meaning of Ilam.;
"Ilam< Pali, Sihala< Simhala." ( Tamil Lexicon. Published
under the Authority of the University of Madras 1936.)
Dr. Karthigesu Indrapalan, Professor of History of the
University of Jaffna, explains the word Ilam. " Presumably it
rests on the fact that Ilam is now used only in Tamil as a
name for Ceylon But the origin of this name, far from
indicating that the island was occupied by the Tamil speaking
people in ancient times, shows that the people from whose
name Ilam is derived were sinhalese."( Thesis for the Ph.D.
by Dr. Karthigesu Indrapalan, submitted to the University of
London in 1962 (Unpublished S.O. 15.1. 84).)
> >
>
> > The whole world is supporting us and NO ONE is supporting you, because of this.
> >
>
> Well, the world is a very unjust place, but the struggle will continue
> nonetheless. It is better to fight and die for freedom than to live as a
> slave.
Yes, I know. Even the Indians are after you bastards because of Rajiv gandhi.
Strange.
When you were transported all over the world by the Colonial powers to slave for them in the plantations, we never saw you fighting for freedom rather than living as a slave.
I guess you like to live in a room in a line and slave away....you guys keep talking about all that hard work all the time.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
> Umberto Gui wrote:
>
> > When I look at Tamil internet sites and on this discussion group at
> > Tamil thinking, I realise why it is that the Sinhalese treat Tamils as
> > ALIENS.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is the same in the US, where various races have allegiance to
> > everything US.
>
> Srilanka is most unlike the USA.
There is no difference in the national pride of Americans to the national
pride of any other nation, including Sri Lanka.
> To start with, the USA has a self-image
> of
> a country made by immigrants. Whereas the people in SL are settled
> populations, settled in their homeland for centuries. In the US
> political
> sytem, there are 51 states where even the laws are different for each
> state.
> USA is a federal system with power devolved to the federating states. In
> SL,
> there is hardly any devolution of power.
Both India nad the US are large countries which need devolution of powers in
order to administer them.
Sri Lanka is smaller than most Indian states both in size and population.
So you should compare an Indian State with Sri lanka. If you think there
should be devolution in Sri Lanka, then Indian states should also be broken
up and further devolution introduced.
> In the USA, there is a
> separation
> between state and religion whereas in SL, Buddhism is the state
> religion.
I see no difference between Religion state relationship between the US and
Sri Lanka.
The Christian church in the US is more powerful and influencial than the
Buddhist church in Sri lanka.
>
> The Srilankan offcicial version is that Srilanka is the
> Sinhalese-Buddhist
> country whereas in ther USA,there is no such official allegience to an
> ethnic or religious group.
I see no difference. You would not call America a Islamic country or a Hindu
Country.
You might be surprised to know that when American politicians, constitution,
government and country says "God save America", they do not refer to
Mohommed, Siva, or Brahma, but good old Jesus H Christ.
So I would call the US a Christian nation, as Sri Lanka is a buddhist one
and as India is a Hundu one.
> Officially, Srilanka is an ethno-centric
> country,
> but the USA is not ethnocentric and ethnocentrism is actively
> discouraged.
>
Thats your perception.
A large portion of the American population are Hispanics.
Is Spanish a national language in the US?
If Ethnocentrism is not there, the blacks, hispanics and others will not be
shouting for their rights.
>
> As you admit, Sinhalese treat tamils as ALIENS. In the USA Califonians
> don't
> treat Virginians as aliens or Italian-americans don't treat
> Greek-americans
> as aliens
There is a difference. All the groups you mention sware their alliegence to
the United States.
In Sri Lanka, a large portion of Tamils have no allegience to the Republic
of Sri Lanka and work towards its destruction.
If any of the above groups have no alliegence to the United States, they
would be treated as ALIENS.
>
>
> > In Sri Lanka, there is a large section of Tamils, whose tastes, fans,
> > culture etc. and allegiances are towards India and Tamil Nadu.
>
> No, If the allegience of the SL tamils is towards India/Tamilnadu, LTTE
> would not have fought with IPKF in '89.
You are confusing Tamils with the LTTE.
many Tamils have their alliegence to Tamil Nadu.
The LTTE have their alliegence to the LTTE.
> SL Tamils by definition share the
> language with Indian Tamils. Needless to say, things like literature,
> films, drama, festivela, etc they have much in common with Tamilnadu.
> But in various things, they do share lots of things with Sinhalese
> including caste system.
Wrong again.
Caste is alien to Buddhism and is almost non-existant in Sinhalese society
today. A generation ago, caste was only an issue during marriage and even
this had all but faded as all Sinhalese families have married into other
castes. Only a few dynasaours remain.
> Having co-habited with sinhalese for centuries,
> naturally there should be much interaction. This is no different from
> the sinhalese claim that they also came from India and follow a religion
> founded in India
I disagree.
The alliegence of the Sinhalese is to Sri Lanka not India. It is the same
with many Tamils as well. But, there is a large proportion of Tamils who
have no alliegence to Sri Lanka, but to "Tamil".
The Sinhala battle cry is "Rata, Jathiya, Agama"....Country, Race, Religion.
Country is first, race second, god and religion third.
This is the foundation of the Sinhala psyche.
For many Tamils, "Tamil" is number one and others follow.
In the thinking of the Sinhalese, his motivation is to improve the country
and to take pleasure in seeing his country do well. There is a national
consciousness. Sinhalese will not be happy if they feel that they are doing
well at the cost of the minorities. Theres is a Buddhist attitude. But at
the same time, they will not tolerate a minority having a position of
colonial advantage.
In the thinking of the certain Tamils, there is no national consciousness as
they want only for the TAMILS to do well and are only happy if TAMILS are
doing well.
All Sri Lankas main political parties are national parties with
participation by all races.
ALL Tamil parties are only interested in Tamil affairs.
They only want to improve the lot of the Tamils. This was so even when
Tamils were ahead in the country, just after independance.
Their alliegence is to ethnicity.
This is not acceptable by the Sinhalese.
If the Tamils adopted a broader national policy, Sinhalese oppostition to
Tamils would disappear overnight.
From the very begining, the political strategy of the Tamils have been to
enhance their position at the cost of the majority. Even before
Independance, Tamil leaders put forward South African Aparthied style 50:50
proposals in an attempt to restrict the democratic representation of the 75%
Sinhala majority to 50%.
Umberto Gui
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
>
> > Umberto Gui wrote:
> >
> > > This is like Muslim Kashmiri's in India, looking at Pakistan to enhance
> > > their position in a Hindu Country.
> > >
> >
> > India is not a Hindu country so far unlike SL which has declared itself
> > as a
> > Buddhist country.
>
> India is called Hindustan. There are newspapers and cars called Hindustan ,
> Hindu etc as well.
>
You are wrong. In the Indian Consitution, the two names for the country are India
and Bharatam. The word Hindustan is a Hindi/urdu word and it is mostly used in
north indian languages. It is not used in Tamil or other south indian languages.
Incidentally, the word Hindustan was NOT given by Hindus but by muslim rulers.
Even a well-known Muslim poet like Iqbal refers to Hindustan. Throughout the
Middle-east and turkey and other other Muslim countries the word Hindustan is used
for India because that is how it was known to them for the last 1000 years.
> Sri lanka is not called Buddhistan and neither do we have cars and newspapers
> called Buddhistan or anything like that.
Your choice. One cannot expect the ending 'stan' in Srilanka, because that ending
comes from Farsi, which Sinhalese did not have to deal with.
Fair enough. Sinhalese should have their homeland. Nobody is against it.
> > Srilankan Tamils are not
> > allowed
> > to call where they live as their homeland, which they want to call as
> > eelam.
>
> It is the same as Tamils in Bangalore will not be allowed to call Tamil parts
> of Bangalore Thamil eelam or Tamil nadu.
Tamilnadu is the homeland of Indian tamils and nobody questions that. In India,
the states are divided along linguistic lines and each linguistic group calls it's
own state homeland. No eyebrows are raised. There are linguistic minorities in
India like Tamils in Bangalore. Even tamils in Bangalore call Tamilnadu their
homeland just as a Jaffna man living in Colombo may like to call Yazhpanam as his
homeland. That way everybody in India refers to some state or other as his/her
homeland
>
> >
> > It is wholly immaterial what is the "origin" of the word, which you say
> > is
> > Sinhalese language. Even if it is true, it no way prejudices the
> > political
> > claims of the Tamils in SL There is a no political shape to their
> > homeland
> > like the Kashmiri muslims have in the shape of State of Kashnir, where
> > they
> > run their own affairs.
>
> It is material.
>
> You cannot make Madras into Islamamadras and then claim that it is a muslim
> homeland.
BTW, there is no Madras. First, by the will of the local people Madras State was
changed to Tamilnadu State. Again by the will of the local people, Madras city
became Chennai. Madras died few years ago. There is absolutely no local demand to
call Chennai muslim homeland. Hence, it is purely hypothetical. All Homeland
demands in India have been met on the basis of language. Tamilnadu is the homeland
of tamilians and karnataka is the homeland of kannada speakers. Kerala is the
homeland for malayalam speakers. Nobody bats an eyelid in India at the mention of
homelands.
> You cannot make Sinhalam into Eelam and call it an ancient Tamil homeland.
But a large number of people do.
> You cannot make East ham in London into Easthamam and call it a Tamil
> homeland.
I am not aware of such a demand. This is purely hypothetical.
>
> > Non-Tamils have a right to buy land in their
> > areas
> > unlike Kashmir, where non-Kashmiris cannot do so. There is no civil war
> > in
> > Kashmir unlike Srilanka.
>
> WE have no civil war in Sri Lanka. We have Tamil terrorists terrorising the
> inhabitants in a jungle and setting off bombs in Colombo.
>
> More bombs have been exploded By the IRA in London that by the LTTE in
> Colombo. There is no civil war in London northern Ireland or Sri Lanka.
>
> > Islmic militants trained in Afghanistan cross
> > the
> > border into India with the open connivance of Pakistan and are duly
> > killed
> > by Indian border troops. The Srilankan tamils do their own fighting with
> > absolutely no help from outside.
>
> It was Indira Gandhi's India which trained and armed the Tamil militants and
> send them to Sri Lanka to destabilise our country.
It was not the intention of Indira Gandhi to destabilise Srilanka. Ethinic trouble
in Srilanka was completely unexpected by Indian politicians and govt. They did not
know how to deal with the situation or what are the stakes for India in the whole
matter. Therefore, till the direction became clear, India allowed militants from
SL
> > Even if the Tamil position in Srilanka
> > is
> > to become that of Kashmiri Muslims, it will be a great advance and I bet
> > LTTE will not have any justification after that. In the case of Kashmir,
> > the
> > militancy is kept alive by Pakistan, but if there is a Tamil Kashnir in
> > Srilanka, there will be absolutely no support, even moral support, by
> > Tamils
> > in Tamilnadu or any Indian and SL can be sure that tamil militancy is a
> > thing of the past
>
> It is a thing of the past.
>
> Thats why we are now in Jaffna and the Tamil militants are hiding behind
> bushes in the jungles.
If they are hiding behind the bushes waiting for an ambush , it is not thing of
the past
> > It is good that the Kashniris were brought in comparison with SL tamils.
> > Alas, SL tamils have not reached the position of Kashniris in India
>
> I see no difference.
>
> Kashmiri's are muslims in a Hindu land.
> Tamils are Hindu's in a Buddhist land.
Kashmiris are muslims in their homeland Kashmir which is also homeland to sizable
Kashmiri Hindus. Kashmiris have their own state where they run their affairs and
where non-Kashniris can't buy land. But there is no corresponding constitutional/
political entity where the Tamils run their own affairs in Srilanka. As far as I
understand, this is the crux of the Srilankan tamil grievance-
> Both are using Terrorism to break away.
>
The terrorists in Kashmir are not Kashmiris, but mostly Islamic gangs trained by
Osama BinLaden. The Kashniris under the leadership of Dr.Sheikh Abdulla fight
them. Sheikh Abdulla was even present at the site of Indian nuclear blast to cheer
India.
> > Anyway much of the
> > re-training,
> > re-arming and expanding Srilankan forces was done to suppress the civil
> > war
> > in the south with the leftists which probably cost as much in human
> > lives as
> > the civil war in the north. Srilanka is the only country in the world
> > which
> > can be proud of doing all it's battles with it's own population for 30
> > years
> > with not a single shot fired at external enemies.All it's defence budget
> > goes in fighting it's own citizens, it's guns, planes, bullets, tanks
> > are
> > bought to kill and maim it's own citizens, it's airforce knows of no
> > battles
> > outside it's borders, it's army knows no outside forces in battles.
> > Bravo.
> > keep it up
>
> Yes....
>
> Just like Kashmir, Punjab, Tamil Nadu, and other seperatists in the East.
In Punjab, it was the Sikh police which crushed sikh separatists. In Tamilnadu,
there are no separatists to suppress even by the Tamil police. In Kashmir, Indian
army is there only in Borders to prevent armed followers of Osama Bin laden. In
India, army is used for fighting extrenal wars which it what it is meant for. In
Srilanka the sole raison d'etre for it's Defence forces is fighting it's own
citizens.
> India can be proud that it has fought wars or interfered with all its
> neighbours including Sri Lanka.
>
> China
> bangladesh
> Burma
> Pakistan.
> Blockaded and bullied Nepal.
India's only enemies are Pakistan and China. Even with China for 37 years , there
has been no war and differences with China are easily solvable. But India has had
no wars with bangladesh or Burma or Srilanka or Nepal and unlikely to have one.
> Is there any minority or adjoining country India has not got violently
> involved with?
> Ah, What a life what a circus.
>
> Umberto Gui
Indeed, India has violently involved itself. In the first place, India interfered
by sending troops in 71 to Colombo to prevent rebels from overrunning the govt.
Again , it 'interfered' in SL in '89 at the invitation of the SL govt. India
interfered by sening it's troops to Maldives at the invitation of it's govt to
prevent it being overrun in late 80s. It 'interfered' in Bangladesh to see that 12
million people of Bangladesh can go back to their homeland and to stop the
massacre of Bengalis by Pakistani army which, in 9 months was 3 million people.
How come Indian intervention is usually invited by the host country? If Srilanka
is in one piece, you can thank India for it.
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
>
> > Umberto Gui wrote:
> >
> > > When I look at Tamil internet sites and on this discussion group at
> > > Tamil thinking, I realise why it is that the Sinhalese treat Tamils as
> > > ALIENS.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is the same in the US, where various races have allegiance to
> > > everything US.
> >
> > Srilanka is most unlike the USA.
>
> There is no difference in the national pride of Americans to the national
> pride of any other nation, including Sri Lanka.
There is a big diffrence of American national pride and pride of more
traditional, settled countries. American national pride rests not on any
religion or language or geographic region, such as motherland which is
the pride
of other nations, but based on American constitution and concpets like
freedom,
etc. In other by and large homogeous countries, like Britain or France
or Japan
or China it is based on common traditions and common historical
memories. In a
country like like India, in addition to common traditions, culture and
history,
you have also regional identities and regional pride. Indian national
pride
tries as much as possible to take care of and sensitive to regional
pride also.
Even an ethnically homegenous country like Germany has got regional
prides and
identities to take care of. That is why Germany is also a Federation.
Whereas
america considers itself a country of immigrants where by and large they
leave
their culture and traditions to the "old world" where they came from and
within
a generation or two of immigration, they go for intermarrying. American
national
pride would consider American "motherland" as too sentimental rubbish,
whereas
other nations wallow in motherlands and fatherlands. As far as some
action is
shown to be within American constitution, it is allowed. That is why,
americans
make tablecloth or underwear out of their flag, but they would not be
considered
as traitors. When the black athletes who got gold and silver medal in an
Olympic
stood with clenched hands and looking down at the time of singing
national
anthem, they were not put in jain on charges of treason. If you can burn
Srilankan flag in Colombo and not be lynched or jailed, I would agree
with your
statement that Srilankan national pride is same as American national
pride. If
you think both are same, you don't have a clue about American nation.
> > To start with, the USA has a self-image
> > of
> > a country made by immigrants. Whereas the people in SL are settled
> > populations, settled in their homeland for centuries. In the US
> > political
> > sytem, there are 51 states where even the laws are different for each
> > state.
> > USA is a federal system with power devolved to the federating states. In
> > SL,
> > there is hardly any devolution of power.
>
> Both India nad the US are large countries which need devolution of powers in
> order to administer them.
That is why in India, the states were divided along linguistic lines.
That way
many people can feel they have their homeland. The division of powers
between
centre and States in india is on ongoing debate and more changes will
certainly
come in the future. But nobody in India considers these debates as
traitorous
>
> Sri Lanka is smaller than most Indian states both in size and population.
>
> So you should compare an Indian State with Sri lanka. If you think there
> should be devolution in Sri Lanka, then Indian states should also be broken
> up and further devolution introduced.
>
Yes, there are such proposals on the cards. In any case , further
division of
states are done if a sufficient number of local people demand it. A few
big
states like Bihar and UP may be divided in this year. In a big country
like
India, better and more democratic ways of administration are always
debated. In
the 50s, large parts of Madras State was taken out and made as Andhra
Pradesh.
But there was no opposition from Tamil people to this because Tamils
respect the
homeland of telugus
>
> > In the USA, there is a
> > separation
> > between state and religion whereas in SL, Buddhism is the state
> > religion.
>
> I see no difference between Religion state relationship between the US and
> Sri Lanka.
>
> The Christian church in the US is more powerful and influencial than the
> Buddhist church in Sri lanka.
>
> >
> > The Srilankan offcicial version is that Srilanka is the
> > Sinhalese-Buddhist
> > country whereas in ther USA,there is no such official allegience to an
> > ethnic or religious group.
>
> I see no difference. You would not call America a Islamic country or a Hindu
> Country.
>
> You might be surprised to know that when American politicians, constitution,
> government and country says "God save America", they do not refer to
> Mohommed, Siva, or Brahma, but good old Jesus H Christ.
But there is no demand from Indian immigrants to vhange the slogan to
"Siva save
America". If 20 % of American people demand "let Siva save America",
Americans
will have a first class political problem on their hand and they won't
bury
their head in the sand. Political problems have to be solved politically
unlike
Srilanka where political problems are solved by force and military means
> So I would call the US a Christian nation, as Sri Lanka is a buddhist one
> and as India is a Hundu one.
But American Consitution does not call itself so nor does indian
consitution
>
> > Officially, Srilanka is an ethno-centric
> > country,
> > but the USA is not ethnocentric and ethnocentrism is actively
> > discouraged.
> >
>
> Thats your perception.
>
> A large portion of the American population are Hispanics.
>
> Is Spanish a national language in the US?
>
The problem will come in the future when there is a 'critical mass' of
Hispanic
speakers, may be in 20-25 years because they breed more.
A better model for Srilanka would be Canada, where the french speakers
consider
Quebec as their traditional homeland for Quebeccois. As things stand ,
Queccois
are not considered as aliens by Anglo canadians.
>
> If Ethnocentrism is not there, the blacks, hispanics and others will not be
> shouting for their rights.
>
> >
> > As you admit, Sinhalese treat tamils as ALIENS. In the USA Califonians
> > don't
> > treat Virginians as aliens or Italian-americans don't treat
> > Greek-americans
> > as aliens
>
> There is a difference. All the groups you mention sware their alliegence to
> the United States.
>
> In Sri Lanka, a large portion of Tamils have no allegience to the Republic
> of Sri Lanka and work towards its destruction.
>
> If any of the above groups have no alliegence to the United States, they
> would be treated as ALIENS.
Again , you have to consider AMERICAN concepts of allegience and aliens
with
what I wrote in the beginning
Again , you cannot compare America with Srilanka as the former is made
by
immgrants and the latter by traditionally setlled populations
Just because an unreasonabale demand was made 50 years ago cannot be the
reason
to reject legitimate demands at present
Umberto Gui
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
The US too has regional prides. California, for instance.
> Indian national
> pride
> tries as much as possible to take care of and sensitive to regional
> pride also.
> Even an ethnically homegenous country like Germany has got regional
> prides and
> identities to take care of. That is why Germany is also a Federation.
> Whereas
> america considers itself a country of immigrants where by and large they
> leave
> their culture and traditions to the "old world" where they came from and
> within
> a generation or two of immigration, they go for intermarrying. American
> national
> pride would consider American "motherland" as too sentimental rubbish,
> whereas
> other nations wallow in motherlands and fatherlands. As far as some
> action is
> shown to be within American constitution, it is allowed. That is why,
> americans
> make tablecloth or underwear out of their flag, but they would not be
> considered
> as traitors.
The British too make table cloth and underwear from their flags.
> When the black athletes who got gold and silver medal in an
> Olympic
> stood with clenched hands and looking down at the time of singing
> national
> anthem, they were not put in jain on charges of treason.
They were not rebelling against the United States, but against the Whites.
> If you can burn
> Srilankan flag in Colombo and not be lynched or jailed, I would agree
> with your
> statement that Srilankan national pride is same as American national
> pride.
You think you can burn the US flag in the Mid west and live to tell the tale?
I would like to see that one.
> If
> you think both are same, you don't have a clue about American nation.
I studied at the LSE with Americans and have many American friends in and out of
government. I see little difference between American National pride and the
national pride of other countries. In fact if anything I find Americans very
nationalistic.
Recently, I was with a senior Italian government official and his comments that
Italy has Roman Catholism in its blood, made me realise how close Italian national
pride is to Sri lankan National pride. In Sri Lanka, Buddhism is in the blood of
the people and in both countries, you may mock the clergy, but there is an
unwritten bond, as he says, it is in the blood of the people.
I agree to disagree with you on the above topic.
>
>
> > > To start with, the USA has a self-image
> > > of
> > > a country made by immigrants. Whereas the people in SL are settled
> > > populations, settled in their homeland for centuries. In the US
> > > political
> > > sytem, there are 51 states where even the laws are different for each
> > > state.
> > > USA is a federal system with power devolved to the federating states. In
> > > SL,
> > > there is hardly any devolution of power.
> >
> > Both India nad the US are large countries which need devolution of powers in
> > order to administer them.
>
> That is why in India, the states were divided along linguistic lines.
> That way
> many people can feel they have their homeland. The division of powers
> between
> centre and States in india is on ongoing debate and more changes will
> certainly
> come in the future. But nobody in India considers these debates as
> traitorous
>
But you do consider the actions of certain Sikhs in Punjab, and actions of certain
Kashmiris to be traitorus. Why?
Is not a demand for Kahlistan quite ok with Indians?
>
> >
> > Sri Lanka is smaller than most Indian states both in size and population.
> >
> > So you should compare an Indian State with Sri lanka. If you think there
> > should be devolution in Sri Lanka, then Indian states should also be broken
> > up and further devolution introduced.
> >
>
> Yes, there are such proposals on the cards. In any case , further
> division of
> states are done if a sufficient number of local people demand it. A few
> big
> states like Bihar and UP may be divided in this year. In a big country
> like
> India, better and more democratic ways of administration are always
> debated. In
> the 50s, large parts of Madras State was taken out and made as Andhra
> Pradesh.
> But there was no opposition from Tamil people to this because Tamils
> respect the
> homeland of telugus
True. But you fail to realise a fundamental difference.
Those Indian states you speak of are homelands of those peoples.
The Homelands of the Tamils is not Sri Lanka, but Tamil nadu.
Jews live all over Europe and have done so longer than Tamils in Sri lanka. Thisa
does not entitle Jews to demand Jewsish homelands all over Europe. Jews, like all
peoples on planet earth have one homeland and it is in Israel. Tamils are all over
the world, just like Jews. They are in Sri Lanka, malaysia, South Africa, Guyana,
West Indies, Mauritious, Fiji etc. This does not entitle Tamils to claim homelands
all over the world.
Tamils like all peoples on earth have one homeland and it is in Tamil Nadu.
If Tamils in Sri Lanka want Tamil Homelands, they should all go to Tamil Nadu.
If Indians in the UK want Indian Homelands, they should all go to India.
If Muslims in India want Muslim Homelands, they should go to Pakistan
etc etc
No different to the US. If Americans take up arms and try to take on the state,
the US army is sent in as they did several times in the past. A Few Centuries back
when certain American States wanted to Breack away, the American army was sent in
and they fought a civil war.
In Sri lanka or India, if a group takes up arms and make territorial demands, the
army will be sent in.
>
>
> > So I would call the US a Christian nation, as Sri Lanka is a buddhist one
> > and as India is a Hundu one.
>
> But American Consitution does not call itself so nor does indian
> consitution
Some do and some don't. That neither hear nor there. The fact is Italy in a
catholic nation, Saudi Arabia a Islamic Nation, Japan Thailand and Sri Lanka
Buddhist nations, India a Hindu nation etc..
Some chose to have it in their constitution, while others do not. Thats the choice
of a majority of people. We call it democracy.
>
>
> >
> > > Officially, Srilanka is an ethno-centric
> > > country,
> > > but the USA is not ethnocentric and ethnocentrism is actively
> > > discouraged.
> > >
> >
> > Thats your perception.
> >
> > A large portion of the American population are Hispanics.
> >
> > Is Spanish a national language in the US?
> >
>
> The problem will come in the future when there is a 'critical mass' of
> Hispanic
> speakers, may be in 20-25 years because they breed more.
So you agree that the US is ethno centric then?
>
>
> A better model for Srilanka would be Canada, where the french speakers
> consider
> Quebec as their traditional homeland for Quebeccois. As things stand ,
> Queccois
> are not considered as aliens by Anglo canadians.
>
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
There again , you fail to understand fundamental differences.
One.
Tamils in Sri Lanka are demanding Tamil Homelands.
The French in canada have not demanded French Homelands in Canada.
Two.
There are no territorial claims between the two in canada.
In the case of Sri Lanka, Tamils have colonised Sinhalese areas, Tamilised
thousands of Sinhalese place names and are then fraudulantly claiming Tamil
Homelands.
If Muslims Invade madras and make it Islamamadras and call it a Muslim homeland
will you had it over as an ancient Homeland of the Muslims.?
>
> >
> > If Ethnocentrism is not there, the blacks, hispanics and others will not be
> > shouting for their rights.
> >
> > >
> > > As you admit, Sinhalese treat tamils as ALIENS. In the USA Califonians
> > > don't
> > > treat Virginians as aliens or Italian-americans don't treat
> > > Greek-americans
> > > as aliens
> >
> > There is a difference. All the groups you mention sware their alliegence to
> > the United States.
> >
> > In Sri Lanka, a large portion of Tamils have no allegience to the Republic
> > of Sri Lanka and work towards its destruction.
> >
> > If any of the above groups have no alliegence to the United States, they
> > would be treated as ALIENS.
>
> Again , you have to consider AMERICAN concepts of allegience and aliens
> with
> what I wrote in the beginning
>
> Again , you cannot compare America with Srilanka as the former is made
> by
> immgrants and the latter by traditionally setlled populations
>
I would regard the Americans now as traditionally settled populations. Today, even
god would have difficulty in getting a US visa to become an immigrant to the US.
Tamils have no legitimate demands in Sri Lanka.Infact Muslims and Christians in
India have far greater grievences than Tamils in Sri Lanka. If any Tamil has a
problem he has to get recourse through the Supreme Court.
This is not done, because what Tamils percive to be grievences, will not stand up
in any court in any country. Their grievence is to restore a privileged position
they had in the country under a Colonial administration.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
> Umberto Gui wrote:
>
> > "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
> >
> > > Umberto Gui wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is like Muslim Kashmiri's in India, looking at Pakistan to enhance
> > > > their position in a Hindu Country.
> > > >
> > >
> > > India is not a Hindu country so far unlike SL which has declared itself
> > > as a
> > > Buddhist country.
> >
> > India is called Hindustan. There are newspapers and cars called Hindustan ,
> > Hindu etc as well.
> >
>
> You are wrong. In the Indian Consitution, the two names for the country are India
> and Bharatam. The word Hindustan is a Hindi/urdu word and it is mostly used in
> north indian languages. It is not used in Tamil or other south indian languages.
> Incidentally, the word Hindustan was NOT given by Hindus but by muslim rulers.
> Even a well-known Muslim poet like Iqbal refers to Hindustan. Throughout the
> Middle-east and turkey and other other Muslim countries the word Hindustan is used
> for India because that is how it was known to them for the last 1000 years.
I am not wrong, I am right. Constittion or no constitution, India is called Hindustan.
I have seen Indian maps as a child with the word Hindustan over it. There are cars and
newspapers called Hindustan. It may not be in your constitution, but it in certainly
in the blood of your people.
Sri lanka was called Sinhala dvipa, Serendiba, Serendib in the past by the Muslims as
well. It is not in the constitution but it is certainly in the blood of the people.
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
One race, has only one homeland.
The Jews who live all over Europe longer than Tamils have lived in Sri Lanka, cannot
claim Homelands all over Europe. Israel is the Jewish Homeland.
Tamils live in Sri Lanka, malaya, mauritious, South Africa, West Indies, Guyana, Fiji
etc. Tamils cannot claim homelands in all these countries. The Tamil Homeland is Tamil
nadu.
If Tamils in Sri Lanka want a Tamil Homeland, they should take a boat to Tamil Nadu.
When Tamils came to Sri lanka they abandoned the Tamil Homeland and chose the Sinhala
Homeland as Theirs. Now, They cannot Tamilise Sinhala Place names in Jaffna and try to
claim Tamil Homelands in Sri Lanka.
The Indians who live in the UK have chosen to abandon their homeland and have chosen
the English homeland as their country. They cannot in the future, claim Indian
Homelands in England.
The Tamils have never had and will never have Tamil Homelands in Sri Lanka.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > It is wholly immaterial what is the "origin" of the word, which you say
> > > is
> > > Sinhalese language. Even if it is true, it no way prejudices the
> > > political
> > > claims of the Tamils in SL There is a no political shape to their
> > > homeland
> > > like the Kashmiri muslims have in the shape of State of Kashnir, where
> > > they
> > > run their own affairs.
> >
> > It is material.
> >
> > You cannot make Madras into Islamamadras and then claim that it is a muslim
> > homeland.
>
> BTW, there is no Madras. First, by the will of the local people Madras State was
> changed to Tamilnadu State. Again by the will of the local people, Madras city
> became Chennai. Madras died few years ago. There is absolutely no local demand to
> call Chennai muslim homeland. Hence, it is purely hypothetical. All Homeland
> demands in India have been met on the basis of language. Tamilnadu is the homeland
> of tamilians and karnataka is the homeland of kannada speakers. Kerala is the
> homeland for malayalam speakers. Nobody bats an eyelid in India at the mention of
> homelands.
That is because it is their Homelands. The kannadas have only one homeland and that is
karanataka. It is the same with the Others.
But The Kannadas in the UK or the US cannot claim Kannada homelands in the UK or the
US.
The Tamil Homeland is Tamil Nadu.
Tamils in South Africa, mauritious, Sri lanka, malaya etc,, cannot now claim Tamil
Homelands all over the World.
Israel is the Jewish Homeland.
Jews in Europe, US etc cannot now claim Jewish homelands all over the world.
>
>
> > You cannot make Sinhalam into Eelam and call it an ancient Tamil homeland.
>
> But a large number of people do.
They can fool themselves, but they will never get it and no country in the world will
support them to get it.
>
>
> > You cannot make East ham in London into Easthamam and call it a Tamil
> > homeland.
>
> I am not aware of such a demand. This is purely hypothetical.
>
> >
> > > Non-Tamils have a right to buy land in their
> > > areas
> > > unlike Kashmir, where non-Kashmiris cannot do so. There is no civil war
> > > in
> > > Kashmir unlike Srilanka.
> >
> > WE have no civil war in Sri Lanka. We have Tamil terrorists terrorising the
> > inhabitants in a jungle and setting off bombs in Colombo.
> >
> > More bombs have been exploded By the IRA in London that by the LTTE in
> > Colombo. There is no civil war in London northern Ireland or Sri Lanka.
> >
> > > Islmic militants trained in Afghanistan cross
> > > the
> > > border into India with the open connivance of Pakistan and are duly
> > > killed
> > > by Indian border troops. The Srilankan tamils do their own fighting with
> > > absolutely no help from outside.
> >
> > It was Indira Gandhi's India which trained and armed the Tamil militants and
> > send them to Sri Lanka to destabilise our country.
>
> It was not the intention of Indira Gandhi to destabilise Srilanka.
he he he he he he he he he he he
WE know what Indira gandhi was up to and in the end Karma worked as she was
assasinated by a Sikh Terrorist.
> Ethinic trouble
> in Srilanka was completely unexpected by Indian politicians and govt.
Cobblers.
India has far greater ethnic problems than in Sri Lanka. Everything that happens in
Sri Lanka happens in India in a big way.
The Sri lanka government of JR was pro US and Pro Russian Indira gandhi living in
pre0historic times with socialist policies got agitated with rapidly capitalistic Sri
Lanka. Arming and Training Tamil militants was her way of keeping a check on Sri
lanka. The whole thing back fired on her son and he got blown up in the end.
> They did not
> know how to deal with the situation or what are the stakes for India in the whole
> matter. Therefore, till the direction became clear, India allowed militants from
> SL
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
That is your version of Things.
Until your minds and policy got clear, you trained Terrorists to de-stabilise an
adjoining country.
I am glad Pakistan is now doing it to you guys. They are also trying to get their
minds and policy clear, just like India. They also like India, doesn't quite know how
to deal with the situation and until they do, they have decided to , just like India,
they are arming and training killers to kill Indians.
Its all a happy family life.
>
>
> > > Even if the Tamil position in Srilanka
> > > is
> > > to become that of Kashmiri Muslims, it will be a great advance and I bet
> > > LTTE will not have any justification after that. In the case of Kashmir,
> > > the
> > > militancy is kept alive by Pakistan, but if there is a Tamil Kashnir in
> > > Srilanka, there will be absolutely no support, even moral support, by
> > > Tamils
> > > in Tamilnadu or any Indian and SL can be sure that tamil militancy is a
> > > thing of the past
> >
> > It is a thing of the past.
> >
> > Thats why we are now in Jaffna and the Tamil militants are hiding behind
> > bushes in the jungles.
>
> If they are hiding behind the bushes waiting for an ambush , it is not thing of
> the past
No different to all the other seperatist groups in India. Tamil Seperatists are an
insignificant minority who try to make themselves significant by exploding bombs....no
different to all those other friends of theirs operating in India.
>
>
> > > It is good that the Kashniris were brought in comparison with SL tamils.
> > > Alas, SL tamils have not reached the position of Kashniris in India
> >
> > I see no difference.
> >
> > Kashmiri's are muslims in a Hindu land.
> > Tamils are Hindu's in a Buddhist land.
>
> Kashmiris are muslims in their homeland Kashmir which is also homeland to sizable
> Kashmiri Hindus. Kashmiris have their own state where they run their affairs and
> where non-Kashniris can't buy land. But there is no corresponding constitutional/
> political entity where the Tamils run their own affairs in Srilanka. As far as I
> understand, this is the crux of the Srilankan tamil grievance-
Rajiv gandhi put in a system of Provincial councils in Sri lanka during the accord.
This is still in place and functioning well. It was devolution at provincial level.
The Tamils and the LTTE does not want it. Thats why they blew up Gandhi.
When the provincial council elections elected a Tamil mayor in Jaffna, the LTTE
assassinated her. When a replacement was appointed, the LTTE assassinated him as well.
You seems to have solutions to Sri Lankan problems.
Your Prime Minister puts Devolution in place and the Tamils blow him up.
The Devolution system elects local Tamil mayors and the Tamils shoot her through the
head. The system replaces the mayor and the Tamils blow him up.
Now, tell us, o' all knowing Indian. What is your solution now?
We have a Sinhala solution.
Cut their balls and stuff it in their mouths.
>
>
> > Both are using Terrorism to break away.
> >
>
> The terrorists in Kashmir are not Kashmiris, but mostly Islamic gangs trained by
> Osama BinLaden.
Terrorists in Sri lanka are not Tamils, but mostly LTTE gangs trained and armed
previously by Indians.
> The Kashniris under the leadership of Dr.Sheikh Abdulla fight
> them.
Tamils under the leadership of the EPDP, PLOT, EPRLF fought them.
> Sheikh Abdulla was even present at the site of Indian nuclear blast to cheer
> India.
>
The EPRLF, EPDP, PLOT and others are all by the side of the Sri Lankan government.
>
> > > Anyway much of the
> > > re-training,
> > > re-arming and expanding Srilankan forces was done to suppress the civil
> > > war
> > > in the south with the leftists which probably cost as much in human
> > > lives as
> > > the civil war in the north. Srilanka is the only country in the world
> > > which
> > > can be proud of doing all it's battles with it's own population for 30
> > > years
> > > with not a single shot fired at external enemies.All it's defence budget
> > > goes in fighting it's own citizens, it's guns, planes, bullets, tanks
> > > are
> > > bought to kill and maim it's own citizens, it's airforce knows of no
> > > battles
> > > outside it's borders, it's army knows no outside forces in battles.
> > > Bravo.
> > > keep it up
> >
> > Yes....
> >
> > Just like Kashmir, Punjab, Tamil Nadu, and other seperatists in the East.
>
> In Punjab, it was the Sikh police which crushed sikh separatists. In Tamilnadu,
> there are no separatists to suppress even by the Tamil police.
I wonder why all those bombs are going off in madras. Wasn't Tamil Nadu the first
Indian state which made moves to cesside?
> In Kashmir, Indian
> army is there only in Borders to prevent armed followers of Osama Bin laden. In
> India, army is used for fighting extrenal wars which it what it is meant for.
The Moslems in India have often claimed that during riots the Indian army and police
actively participate in Riots against them. Wasn't the Indian army mobilised in the
Punjab?
You are trying to tell me that it was the Indian police who stormed the Amrithsar
Temple.?
Interesting.
> In
> Srilanka the sole raison d'etre for it's Defence forces is fighting it's own
> citizens.
>
Yes.yes, In Amrithsar, the Indian army was not fighting its own citizens....they were
all Pakistani agents eh?
Pakistani's in Sikh Disguise, being shot at By the Indian Army at the Golden Temple?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
You are like the Tamils in Sri lanka, always conning yourselves.
>
> > India can be proud that it has fought wars or interfered with all its
> > neighbours including Sri Lanka.
> >
> > China
> > bangladesh
> > Burma
> > Pakistan.
> > Blockaded and bullied Nepal.
>
> India's only enemies are Pakistan and China. Even with China for 37 years , there
> has been no war and differences with China are easily solvable. But India has had
> no wars with bangladesh or Burma or Srilanka or Nepal and unlikely to have one.
ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha
What ever you say.........
>
>
> > Is there any minority or adjoining country India has not got violently
> > involved with?
>
> > Ah, What a life what a circus.
> >
> > Umberto Gui
>
> Indeed, India has violently involved itself. In the first place, India interfered
> by sending troops in 71 to Colombo to prevent rebels from overrunning the govt.
> Again , it 'interfered' in SL in '89 at the invitation of the SL govt.
We never INVITED india to violate our territorial waters and air space over Jaffna
before the arrival of the IPKF.
Anyway, you guys paid for that with the life of your Prime Minister who ordered that
action.
> India
> interfered by sening it's troops to Maldives at the invitation of it's govt to
> prevent it being overrun in late 80s. It 'interfered' in Bangladesh to see that 12
> million people of Bangladesh can go back to their homeland and to stop the
> massacre of Bengalis by Pakistani army which, in 9 months was 3 million people.
ha ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Yes..Yes...
>
> How come Indian intervention is usually invited by the host country?
Invited You say?
More like gate crashing.
> If Srilanka
> is in one piece, you can thank India for it.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha
You mean, we might have INVITED india to break us apart.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h ha
Sri lanka is one country, because India realised that if it is seperated, it will
threaten the security of India.
This was achieved by the Sri Lankan President Ranasinghe Premadasa by arming the LTTE
against the IPKF.
Sri lanka is one country, because of the astute diplomacy and foreign Policy
abjectives of our Leaders.
It was india that armed and trained the LTTE against us. In the end we turned tables
on the Indians by arming and training the LTTE against the Indians.
We sent a VERY clear and LOUD message to India, that if India destabilises Sri Lanka,
We will inturn De-stabilise India's Southern flank.
India got our message with a big Bang, when gandhi was blown up and pulled back and
now follows a policy of non-interferance.
India is big but not very smart. It fails to realise one fundamental message. No
country on earth can enhance its security be making another insecure.
India tried this by blasting the atom bomb. There were cheers for a week and then
sorrow as Pakistan responded.
It is the same lesson in Sri Lanka. India tried to use its size to intimidate and
bully us, violated our airspace, trained and armed Tamil murderers against us, and
then we turned tables on India and let it be known that two can tango.
Umberto Gui
SB
Californian regional bride is for Surfing and eating Tacos. The only region
with a certain regional pride is the former slave owning immoral southerners
who got their asses kicked. They tend to remember their history more than
others because it hurts their pride. Loosers always talk about their history
and pride more than others.
Black pride was more than rebelling against the whites, it was an
anti-american movement and it had its goal as a seperate black country for
african americans. Who controlled and still control America alians from mars
? no it is the whites.
>> If you can burn
>> Srilankan flag in Colombo and not be lynched or jailed, I would agree
>> with your
>> statement that Srilankan national pride is same as American national
>> pride.
>
>You think you can burn the US flag in the Mid west and live to tell the
tale?
>
>I would like to see that one.
Yes in the court house of Indianapolis (in the midwest you see) people burnt
US flags in an anti-kkk rally and lived to tell about it.
>> If
>> you think both are same, you don't have a clue about American nation.
>
>I studied at the LSE with Americans and have many American friends in and
out of
>government. I see little difference between American National pride and the
>national pride of other countries. In fact if anything I find Americans
very
>nationalistic.
>
They are more proud than natioanlistic, their pride in their country is
based on its positive aspects such their strugle for freedom, anto slavery
strugle, their humanistic constituition. Compare this to the nationalism
rampant in countries like Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka which is based on
animosity, hatred, anger and everything negative under the sun
>Recently, I was with a senior Italian government official and his comments
that
>Italy has Roman Catholism in its blood, made me realise how close Italian
national
>pride is to Sri lankan National pride. In Sri Lanka, Buddhism is in the
blood of
>the people and in both countries, you may mock the clergy, but there is an
>unwritten bond, as he says, it is in the blood of the people.
>
>I agree to disagree with you on the above topic.
>
Italy gave birth to the Fascist party due to their inability to see
democracy without a strong paternal leader, the influence of Catholic church
cannot be denied in their metamorphosis. Similarly the fundamentalist nature
of monotheistic countries like Sri Lanka, Burma, Cambodia, Iran, Iraq can
and will lead to repeated blood shed and sacrifice of human beings for the
sake of national pride.
Khalistan was a Brain child of Indira Ghandhi and she paid with her life for
it.
>> > Sri Lanka is smaller than most Indian states both in size and
population.
>> >
>> > So you should compare an Indian State with Sri lanka. If you think
there
>> > should be devolution in Sri Lanka, then Indian states should also be
broken
>> > up and further devolution introduced.
>> >
>>
>> Yes, there are such proposals on the cards. In any case , further
>> division of
>> states are done if a sufficient number of local people demand it. A few
>> big
>> states like Bihar and UP may be divided in this year. In a big country
>> like
>> India, better and more democratic ways of administration are always
>> debated. In
>> the 50s, large parts of Madras State was taken out and made as Andhra
>> Pradesh.
>> But there was no opposition from Tamil people to this because Tamils
>> respect the
>> homeland of telugus
>
>True. But you fail to realise a fundamental difference.
>
>Those Indian states you speak of are homelands of those peoples.
>
>The Homelands of the Tamils is not Sri Lanka, but Tamil nadu.
Wrong Tamils of Sri Lanka belong in Sri Lanka not India, if we continue that
argument you guys belong in Orrisa and lets us give the country back to the
Veddhas.
>Jews live all over Europe and have done so longer than Tamils in Sri lanka.
Thisa
>does not entitle Jews to demand Jewsish homelands all over Europe. Jews,
like all
>peoples on planet earth have one homeland and it is in Israel. Tamils are
all over
>the world, just like Jews. They are in Sri Lanka, malaysia, South Africa,
Guyana,
>West Indies, Mauritious, Fiji etc. This does not entitle Tamils to claim
homelands
>all over the world.
>
>Tamils like all peoples on earth have one homeland and it is in Tamil Nadu.
>
>If Tamils in Sri Lanka want Tamil Homelands, they should all go to Tamil
Nadu.
>
>If Indians in the UK want Indian Homelands, they should all go to India.
>
>If Muslims in India want Muslim Homelands, they should go to Pakistan
>
>etc etc
Not going to happen, either you kill them all or deal with them.
>> >
>> > > In the USA, there is a
>> > > separation
>> > > between state and religion whereas in SL, Buddhism is the state
>> > > religion.
>> >
>> > I see no difference between Religion state relationship between the US
and
>> > Sri Lanka.
>> >
>> > The Christian church in the US is more powerful and influencial than
the
>> > Buddhist church in Sri lanka.
What Church, the American Church of Christ ?
Yes Hitler was elected democratically too.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > > Officially, Srilanka is an ethno-centric
>> > > country,
>> > > but the USA is not ethnocentric and ethnocentrism is actively
>> > > discouraged.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Thats your perception.
>> >
>> > A large portion of the American population are Hispanics.
>> >
>> > Is Spanish a national language in the US?
Spanish has been used in official purposes in the US for over 450 years. In
New- Mexico, Texas and other Latino dominated states Spanish is the
"official" language whether you like it or not.
>> The problem will come in the future when there is a 'critical mass' of
>> Hispanic
>> speakers, may be in 20-25 years because they breed more.
>
>So you agree that the US is ethno centric then?
>
>> A better model for Srilanka would be Canada, where the french speakers
>> consider
>> Quebec as their traditional homeland for Quebeccois. As things stand ,
>> Queccois
>> are not considered as aliens by Anglo canadians.
>>
>
>ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
>There again , you fail to understand fundamental differences.
>
>One.
>Tamils in Sri Lanka are demanding Tamil Homelands.
>The French in canada have not demanded French Homelands in Canada.
What is Quebec a native Canadian homeland ?
>Two.
>There are no territorial claims between the two in canada.
Read up more, if Quebec wants to become independant it will loose 60% the
land to various Canadian staes and native Canadian groups. Nothing is black
and white as you think sunny. Inuits, Cree indians, Labrador and Ontario
have many historic claims on Quebec.
>In the case of Sri Lanka, Tamils have colonised Sinhalese areas, Tamilised
>thousands of Sinhalese place names and are then fraudulantly claiming Tamil
>Homelands.
Sinhalese have colonized veddah lands and shoot them even now.
Who ? the plantatione workers brought in by the British
>> > The LTTE have their alliegence to the LTTE.
>> >
>> > > SL Tamils by definition share the
>> > > language with Indian Tamils. Needless to say, things like literature,
>> > > films, drama, festivela, etc they have much in common with Tamilnadu.
>> > > But in various things, they do share lots of things with Sinhalese
>> > > including caste system.
>> >
>> > Wrong again.
>> >
>> > Caste is alien to Buddhism and is almost non-existant in Sinhalese
society
>> > today. A generation ago, caste was only an issue during marriage and
even
>> > this had all but faded as all Sinhalese families have married into
other
>> > castes. Only a few dynasaours remain.
You are lying. Caste system might not be a big deal in big cities like in
India and Pakistan but the vestiges of it are still prtevalent all over
south Asia. What Vijay was talking about was the historic caste system not
what is practices today by few cosmopolitants like you in cities.
Like convert to Buddhism ha ?
>> > From the very begining, the political strategy of the Tamils have been
to
>> > enhance their position at the cost of the majority. Even before
>> > Independance, Tamil leaders put forward South African Aparthied style
50:50
>> > proposals in an attempt to restrict the democratic representation of
the 75%
>> > Sinhala majority to 50%.
>>
>> Just because an unreasonabale demand was made 50 years ago cannot be the
>> reason
>> to reject legitimate demands at present
>
>Tamils have no legitimate demands in Sri Lanka.Infact Muslims and
Christians in
>India have far greater grievences than Tamils in Sri Lanka. If any Tamil
has a
>problem he has to get recourse through the Supreme Court.
They have legitimate demand to be left alive to get on with their lifes, not
be killed in pogorams beacuse some Sinhala Buddhist monk got an itch in his
pants.
>This is not done, because what Tamils percive to be grievences, will not
stand up
>in any court in any country. Their grievence is to restore a privileged
position
>they had in the country under a Colonial administration.
Tell that to the Hindus killed from 1958 in various pogorams that the
supreme court is going to restore over 100,000 dead people.
Lanka
>
> Indeed, India has violently involved itself. In the first place, India interfered
> by sending troops in 71 to Colombo to prevent rebels from overrunning the govt.
> Again , it 'interfered' in SL in '89 at the invitation of the SL govt. India
> interfered by sening it's troops to Maldives at the invitation of it's govt to
> prevent it being overrun in late 80s. It 'interfered' in Bangladesh to see that 12
> million people of Bangladesh can go back to their homeland and to stop the
> massacre of Bengalis by Pakistani army which, in 9 months was 3 million people.
> How come Indian intervention is usually invited by the host country? If Srilanka
> is in one piece, you can thank India for it.
You got one instance correct. In 71 I think Colombo invited India.
But in 87, Colombo did not invite india. Rajive himself invited to
Colombo. He tried to bully J.R. By the way, do you remember
Vadamarachchi
operation? How about dropping things over Jaffna when SL army was about
to take LTTE leader?
I am not surprised to hear what you say. Almost evrey indian I met
is of the same opinion.
Samething happened in East Pakistan. India involvement was no secret
there.
Are you people that naive or do you think we are that stupid?
Regards!
Lanka
pallavan
terrorists in Indian soil?
SL troubles are from outside of SL. Tamil Nadu is now a sanctuary to all
Tamil Terrorists of Sri lanka!
V.C.Vijayaraghavan wrote:
>
> Umberto Gui wrote:
>
> > This is like Muslim Kashmiri's in India, looking at Pakistan to enhance
> > their position in a Hindu Country.
> >
>
> India is not a Hindu country so far unlike SL which has declared itself
> as a
> Buddhist country. In Kashmir, no non-Kashmiris can buy land. Kashmiris
> run
> their own education , local justice, local administration, local police,
> local border police, local anti-separatist militant groups. have their
> own
> political parties and their own legislature and a Chief Ministeretc. In
> other words, they have complete control over their daily lives. On the
> top
> of it, India recognizes that Kashmir is the Homeland of Kashmiris, and
> that
> is why they remain a separate state in India running their own
> administration.
>
> The present chief minister is also a Kashmiri Muslim, even though
> muslims
> form only a little over 50% in Jammu and Kashmir State. Majority of
> armed
> militants in Kashmir are Islamic groups sponsored by Pakistan, without
> whose
> help they cannot enter India.
>
> Now, none of this is present in Srilanka. Srilankan Tamils are not
> allowed
> to call where they live as their homeland, which they want to call as
> eelam.
> It is wholly immaterial what is the "origin" of the word, which you say
> is
> Sinhalese language. Even if it is true, it no way prejudices the
> political
> claims of the Tamils in SL There is a no political shape to their
> homeland
> like the Kashmiri muslims have in the shape of State of Kashnir, where
> they
> run their own affairs. Non-Tamils have a right to buy land in their
> areas
> unlike Kashmir, where non-Kashmiris cannot do so. There is no civil war
> in
> Kashmir unlike Srilanka. Islmic militants trained in Afghanistan cross
> the
> border into India with the open connivance of Pakistan and are duly
> killed
> by Indian border troops. The Srilankan tamils do their own fighting with
> absolutely no help from outside. Even if the Tamil position in Srilanka
> is
> to become that of Kashmiri Muslims, it will be a great advance and I bet
> LTTE will not have any justification after that. In the case of Kashmir,
> the
> militancy is kept alive by Pakistan, but if there is a Tamil Kashnir in
> Srilanka, there will be absolutely no support, even moral support, by
> Tamils
> in Tamilnadu or any Indian and SL can be sure that tamil militancy is a
> thing of the past
>
> It is good that the Kashniris were brought in comparison with SL tamils.
> Alas, SL tamils have not reached the position of Kashniris in India
>
> > These Tamils would love it, if India was to invade Sri Lanka and place
> > the Tamils as the administrators and confidants of the Indians in Sri
> > Lanka,
>
> We all know how much of confidants and administrators were with IPKF in
> '89.
> If Indian forces enter SL again, it will be to catch Prabakaran since he
> is
> convicted in Indian courts and not excatly to kiss Tamils. By and large,
> Indian govt has washed it's hands off SL and Tamils also know it
>
> > Sri Lankan leaders have realised this from the very beginning and I take
> > my hat off to them for consistently following a strategy of empowering
> > the Sri lankan state by re-training, re-arming and expanding the Sri
> > Lankan forces in tandem with economic development.
>
> If the Srilankan forces and ordinary soldiers had a sizable tamil
> presense ,
> then the strategy would have been workable. Anyway much of the
lacorti
will
force myself to make a few corrections.
Black Americans worked hard when they were slaves, because they were
forced to. Of their own free will they are laid back, like the
Sinhalese. The
situation in many African countries is a testament to that.
Umberto Gui wrote:
> They are also the best athletes and boxers.
So what, they are also taking performance enhancing drugs.
How dare you compare feeble, Tamil coolies with hard working progessive
US blacks who have contributed so much to world athletics, Boxing Music
etc......
>
> What has Tamils contributed?
>
I am not seeking to make a comparison, because and Tamils and Black
Americans are worlds apart. Actually the Sinhalese have much more in
common with Black Americans - violence, crime, jeulosy, and laziness.
> More like defrauded the social security systems in the West, than
making any contribution.
No more than the Sinhalese bludgers
> Ah! I forgot. According to the Toronto Police, Tamils have contributed to
gangland thuggery, murder and violence.
No more than any other group
>
> Why do you think all these immigrant groups went to those countries in
the first place?
>
> Perhaps because the Bumiputras had already built up their countries to
a good standards.
That is absolutely false. Malaysia and Singapore were built up by the
Chinese and Indian immigrants. The Bumiputras were stuck in a backward
tradition, again like the Sinhalese.
> Why do Tamils run to Canada and to the UK more than they run to poor
Tamil Nadu?
>
Do you think that the Sinhalese are not migrating to countries like
Canada,
Australia, and the US. In Australia I have met more Sinhalese than
Tamils.
>
> Fool.
Is that you
>
> Jews are very rich and succesful in the US. But Israel is not exactly a
World economic power.
Israel has only 5.5 million people - how can it be a super power.
Nonetheless it has a much higher standard of living that its neighbors,
and
substantial technological expertise.
>
> Indians are rich and successful in the UK. But India is not exactly in the
first world.
Nor is Sri Lanka. India has 1 billion people, and the growing population
is a
serious strain. Plus India, like Sri Lanka, is plague be ethnic
disputes. The
best thing for India would be simply to break up into smaller nations
based
on ethnicity, and all its people would be better of for it.
>
> All Humans are the same, and perform equally, if equal resouces are
allocated.
All humans are equal, but the cultural attitudes that they develop will
determine their achievements.
>
> Minorities in Countries...Ie. Jews in the US, Chinese in Malaya etc feel
insecure and thus allocate more resouces in order to succeed. Thats why
they are successful.
Well, is this not a cultural attitude
>
> First generation Indians in Britain, own shops, get up at 3 in the morning,
takes in the milk and the papers and get ready to open shop. Their kids
educated in the UK are more secure and British.
>
> Now, ask them to get up at 3 and get the newspapers and the milk in
and they will ask you to fuck off.
>
This may well be true with Indians, but it is not true for Jews in the
US, or
the Chinese in Malaysia, where their success and hard work transcends
generations.
>
> Sri Lanka is a Sinhala buddhist state and if anyone can call it their
homeland, it is the Sinhalese. Today, Sri Lanka is the home of all its
peoples and races. NO Tamil coolie who swarmed the ancient Sinhalese
homelands can change Weligama in Jaffna to Weligamam can then claim
it to
> be a Tamil homeland.
Tamils have been in Sri Lanka for just as long as the Sinhalese. Even if
the
Sinhalese arrived a few hundred years earlier - so what - both groups
arrived more than 2000 years ago. And do forget that the Vedda were
there
before this.
>
> the Tamil homeland is in Tamil nadu.
Wrong - Tamil Nadu and the Tamil areas of Sri Lanka
>
> Tamils in Sri Lanka, malaya, mauritious, South Africa cannot claim
Tamil homelands in all these countries as Jews all over Europe cannot
claim Jewish homelands all over Europe.
These links that you seek to make do not make any sense. Why don't you
say that the Sinhalese are North Indians.
> Your inferior Jaffna education is the cause of all your problems. You
should have been educated in India. They have a much better education
system than Jaffna fools.
>
You don't know where my education comes from, but at least I have more
objectivity than you.
> >
>
> I know. Its silly for the Jaffna educated to address their problems in the
courts. They prefer Terrorism.
Before the liberation war started the Sinhalses courts never did
anything to
remedy discrimination.
>
> Tamils are a very silly race. Thats why they are walking around with a
terrorist tag around their necks and now hiding behind bushes in the
vanni,
waiting for Sinhalese to send them food lorry's.
The terrorism of the Sri Lankan government is much greater than anything
that the LTTE may have done. Your army does not know anything about
human rights or the Geneva convention.
>
> How silly can you get.
>
> >
> >
> > > Kosovo is a distict country.
> > Just like Eelam
>
> You mean...Sinhalam........The Sinhalese homeland....
> TAMIL EELAM ?
>
>
The situation of Kosovo is identical to the Tamil question.
> Dr. S. Krishnaswami Aiyangar of the Madras University
> writing on 29.8.1926 the Foreword to Ancient Jaffna by
> Mudaliyar C. Rasanayagam says: "The attempt of the
> author to derive the name Ilam does not appeal to us as quite
> successful; Ilam to us seems to be directly derived from the
> Pali word Sihala, which in Tamil would be Singalam or even
> Singanam, but a strict Tamilising would make it Ilam...."
> Ancient Jaffna-Mudaliyar C Rasanayagam (Foreword p. v.).
>
> The Tamil Lexicon gives the meaning of Ilam.;
> "Ilam< Pali, Sihala< Simhala." ( Tamil Lexicon. Published
> under the Authority of the University of Madras 1936.)
>
> Dr. Karthigesu Indrapalan, Professor of History of the
> University of Jaffna, explains the word Ilam. " Presumably it
> rests on the fact that Ilam is now used only in Tamil as a
> name for Ceylon But the origin of this name, far from
> indicating that the island was occupied by the Tamil speaking
> people in ancient times, shows that the people from whose
> name Ilam is derived were sinhalese."( Thesis for the Ph.D.
> by Dr. Karthigesu Indrapalan, submitted to the University of
> London in 1962 (Unpublished S.O. 15.1. 84).)
This is all blabber
>
> > >
> >
> > > The whole world is supporting us and NO ONE is supporting you,
because of this.
> > >
> >
> > Well, the world is a very unjust place, but the struggle will continue
> > nonetheless. It is better to fight and die for freedom than to live as a
> > slave.
>
>
>
> When you were transported all over the world by the Colonial powers to
slave for them in the plantations, we never saw you fighting for freedom
rather than living as a slave.
We were prepared to work and earn a living, instead of living like
parasites.
>
> I guess you like to live in a room in a line and slave away....you guys
keep talking about all that hard work all the time.
>
If it were not for the colonial powers and the work done by the Tamils,
Sri
Lanka would be like Tanzania, because the Sinhalese on their own have
always been helpless.
pallavan
whites and never thought of their country because they do not have that
feeling!
lacorti wrote:
>
> You have spoken absolute rubbish. If the Tamils had greater influence in
> the civil administration during the colonial period it is because they
> were more hard working and disciplined than the Sinhalese. Since
> independence the Sinhalese have gained the upper hand, but only by
> discriminating against the Tamils.
>
> Tamil numbers in Sri Lanka may be diminishing, but that's only because
> the Sri Lankan government is either killing them, starving them, or
> forcing them to leave. The fact that they are a minority does not
> matter, they are still entitled to independence, just like the Kosovars,
> who are also a minority in Yugoslavia.
>
> Umberto Gui wrote:
> >
> > When I look at Tamil internet sites and on this discussion group at
> > Tamil thinking, I realise why it is that the Sinhalese treat Tamils as
> > ALIENS.
> >
> > In Sri Lanka, there is a Sri Lankan nation, which includes all races,
> > that has pride in Sri Lankan history, its culture, its cricket team, its
> > country etc..etc..
> >
> > It is the same in the US, where various races have allegiance to
> > everything US.
> >
> > In Sri Lanka, there is a large section of Tamils, whose tastes, fans,
> > culture etc. and allegiances are towards India and Tamil Nadu.
> >
> > There whole culture is to try and undermine and redicule the native Sri
> > Lankan culture, language etc and are always looking for third parties or
> > OUTSIDERS to intervene on their behalf.
> >
> > Under English language, the Tamils felt that they were EQUAL or 50:50
> > with the 75% Sinhalese and thus had a dominant position in the
> > administration. Under Sinhala only, this dominance was lost. They wanted
> > Tamil, in order to gain parity or 50:50. Their land claims reflect this.
> > Tamils are a 12% minority, now reduced to about 8% because of the war,
> > wanting to be 50:50 with a 75% majority. Something no country on earth
> > has.
> >
> > Now even in Canada are the Tamils 50:50 with the whites.?
> >
> > The Tamil race has been fighting the whole of this century to maintain
> > an unnatural 50:50 position they had enjoyed During a colonial
> > administration, which was constantly at war with the 75% majority.
> >
> > Tamils are a minority who have had a privileged status under the
> > colonial powers ( divide and rule), which got eroded to its natural
> > position under a Sri Lanka administration.
> >
> > These Tamils want themselves restored to a dominant privileged position
> > once again ( living in the past) and in order to do this they realise
> > that they need some outside power to come and increase there leverage.
> > In order to do this they have always looked at India.
> >
> > This is like Muslim Kashmiri's in India, looking at Pakistan to enhance
> > their position in a Hindu Country.
> >
> > These Tamils would love it, if India was to invade Sri Lanka and place
> > the Tamils as the administrators and confidants of the Indians in Sri
> > Lanka, similar to the influential role they enjoyed under the Colonial
> > powers who were at war with the Sinhalese majority based in Kandy.
> >
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> >
> > The Tamils have a big problem with the word "minority" in Sri Lanka.
> > They are a minority in Canada, UK etc, but in Sri Lanka, they do not
> > want to be a minority.
> >
> > Its all to do with the frame of the mind. The Tamils have a superiority
> > complex. They think their BOYS are invincible, that they are intelligent
> > and that the Sinhalese is inferior and cannot compete with their
> > superiority.
> > They think that they are intelligent and strong enough to dominate the
> > Sinhala buddhist state, hold it to ransom and make their demands.
> >
> > Sri Lankan leaders have realised this from the very beginning and I take
> > my hat off to them for consistently following a strategy of empowering
> > the Sri lankan state by re-training, re-arming and expanding the Sri
> > Lankan forces in tandem with economic development.
> >
pallavan
lacorti wrote:
>
> Umberto Gui wrote:
> >
> > lacorti wrote:
> >
> >The Blacks and Indians in the UK and the US say the same thing,
> >that they are more hardworking and disciplined than the whites.
>
> I don't think the Blacks in the US say anything of the sort, because
> they lag far behind any other group, and in fact are not known for
> hard work.
> >
> >
> >Reality is son, all humans are equal, and given equal allocation of resouces,
> >all will perform equally, given various disabilities within each group.
>
> All humans are equal but culture shapes their success.
> Observe the Chinese in Malaysia and in Indonesia, where they
> are far ahead of the Bumiputras, nonwithstanding institutional
> discrimination against them. Equally, Jews are extrodinarily
> successful in the US.
>
> >
> > The Sinhalaese living in his own home, in his own land, can only smile at the Coolie who says....."look, I am so hard working and disciplined....thats why the great white master chose me and not you, to live in a room in a line and do this important job of plucking tea leaves.
>
> Silly propaganda, furthermore, the land of Sri Lanka also belongs to the
> Tamils, allowing for the Vedda.
>
> >
> > If you look at the educational statistics on Sri Lanka, you will find that Tamils are lesser qualified and lesser educated than the low country
> > Sinhalese.....refer to S J Thambiah, "Ethnic Fratricide and the dismantling of Sri Lanka's democracy."
>
> This sounds like your usual propaganda. If it is true, as you said, if
> you are denied equal oppotunities you will lag behind.
>
> >
> > If Tamils are discriminated, they should petition the Supreme Court on
> > violation of Fundamental rights, as stated by the US State Department.
> >
> Another silly suggestion
>
> Tamils have the same right to independence as the Jews of England, since
> the Jews have been in England longer than Tamils have in Sri Lanka.
> >
> Another silly remark
>
> > Kosovo is a distict country.
> Just like Eelam
> >
>
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> I'm sure you will be happy to learn that I have just read your trash - I
> will
> force myself to make a few corrections.
Be my guest. shovelling through trash comes naturally to Tamils.
>
>
> Black Americans worked hard when they were slaves, because they were
> forced to. Of their own free will they are laid back, like the
> Sinhalese. The
> situation in many African countries is a testament to that.
Its the same with the Tamils. They work hard in England and Canada, but take a
look at their homeland, Tamil Nadu, its a hell hole.
Tamils who were transported as slaves to the Tea estates work hard, but the ones
in the Tamil Homeland, Tamil Nadu are lazy like hell, thats why Tamil Nadu was
such a hell hole with famine and disease making Tamils swim over to Sri lanka to
get a life.
The Sinhalese built everything you see in Sri Lanka, Anuradhapura, Polonnaruwa,
Yapahuwa, Even Nalour and the Kandasamy Temple there, but Tamils have built
NOTHING in Sri lanka. They have as usual made NO contribution to Sri lanka, but
just destroyed. Over the last 2000 years Tamils have pillaged, Plundered
destroyed and sucked off from everything the Sinhalese have built in Sri lanka.
It was the British who said that Tamils have contributed NOTHING to Sri lanka,
but only Destroyed it, while the Sinhalese have built so much.
Everything in Sri Lanka, that people marvel, Sigiriya, The Parakrama Samudra, The
Ruwanvelisaya were all built by the Sinhalese. Tamils just invaded and robbed.
They are still doing the same, trying to rob our lands.
Name me one SINGLE monument, one irrigation tank, built by a Tamil in Sri lanka?
The socalled lazy Sinhalese did it all and the so called hard working Tamils only
robbed and raped the Sinhala homelands, changing place names and colonising our
lands, after running away from a starving Tamil homeland in Tamil nadu.
>
>
> Umberto Gui wrote:
>
> > They are also the best athletes and boxers.
>
> So what, they are also taking performance enhancing drugs.
>
Tamils can't do it with or without drugs. Tamils can do nothing other than
fraudulant multiple social security claims to rob the Western countries and their
tax payers.
>
> How dare you compare feeble, Tamil coolies with hard working progessive
> US blacks who have contributed so much to world athletics, Boxing Music
> etc......
> >
> > What has Tamils contributed?
> >
>
> I am not seeking to make a comparison, because and Tamils and Black
> Americans are worlds apart. Actually the Sinhalese have much more in
> common with Black Americans - violence, crime, jeulosy, and laziness.
>
Sonny, Sinhalese were NEVER enslaved by the Colonial powers. Both the Tamils and
the blacks were transported all over the world to work in plantations.
Now you say that Sinhalese are lazy?
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
That is like the slave telling the free arab..."hey man look, The great white
master chose me and not you as a slave because I am so hard working and better
than you are".
The free Arab can only smile.
In Sri Lanka, the Tamil is telling the Sinhalese...."Hey look, The great while
master chose me to come over killing myself all the way from starving Tamil nadu
and live in a room in a line and slave for the white man, plucking his tea
leaves, because I am so hard working and better than you lazy Sinhalese".
The Sinhalese man, living in his own home, in his one land, can only smile......
>
> > More like defrauded the social security systems in the West, than
> making any contribution.
>
> No more than the Sinhalese bludgers
Here have a read......
Tamil Tigers
Article published in the IT magazine Computingon the 15th February 1996
A spokesman for the Liberation Tigers Tamil Eealam (LTTE) has categorically
denied that the group is involved in benefit
fraud, following Computing's investigations into the issue ( 11 January).
Following publication of our revelation that more than £1bn a year is lost to the
DSS through computer related benefit fraud
perpetrated by political, criminal and terrorist groups, Computing was contacted
by members of the UK's Tamil community,
anxious to distance both the community and the Tamil Tigers from any systematic
abuse of the UK's welfare system.
Following a meeting with members of the Tamil community, contact was made with a
spokesman for the LTTE who stated: ' I
can assure you we have nothing to do with DSS fraud.' The spokesman declined to
put his claim in writing.
The denials follow claims by benefit investigators that Tamil Tiger activity has
been detected during welfare fraud investigations.
But LTTE claims this cannot be substantiated adding that the organisation did not
raise funds in the UK.
The LTTE spokesman said the Tamil cause was being targeted as part of a Sri
Lankan government-funded smear campaign
being organised by one of the worlds leading PR agencies.
>
>
> > Ah! I forgot. According to the Toronto Police, Tamils have contributed to
> gangland thuggery, murder and violence.
>
> No more than any other group
Toronto Police have set up a special division for Tamil crimes, but not for any
other group. The criminal violent nature of the Tamils in Canada is worse than
any blacks there.
In the UK British police regard the Tamils worse than the Nigerians when it comes
to fraud.
>
>
> >
> > Why do you think all these immigrant groups went to those countries in
> the first place?
> >
> > Perhaps because the Bumiputras had already built up their countries to
> a good standards.
>
> That is absolutely false. Malaysia and Singapore were built up by the
> Chinese and Indian immigrants. The Bumiputras were stuck in a backward
> tradition, again like the Sinhalese.
>
I suppose it was the Tamils who built all the reservoirs, cities like
Anuradhapura Polonnaruwa, Sigiriya etc?
What have the Tamils built in Sri Lanka?
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
he he he he he
>
> > Why do Tamils run to Canada and to the UK more than they run to poor
> Tamil Nadu?
> >
>
> Do you think that the Sinhalese are not migrating to countries like
> Canada,
> Australia, and the US. In Australia I have met more Sinhalese than
> Tamils.
So then you agree with me that Countries like Australia, malasia etc were built
up by their people and Immigrants swarmed it to get on the gravy train...
he he he he he he h eh eh ehe
Remember how Chelvanayagam was born in malaya and swarmed over to Sri lanka?
Remember How Prabakaran's grandfather came over from malaya as well.
You Tamils are all ALIENS who came over in banana boats yesterday and are now
making false claims that you have been in Sri Lanka from the "earliest of times".
That is like Italians claiming homelands in London, after pointing to Julius
Ceaser.
>
> >
> > Fool.
>
> Is that you
We can all see it very clearly.
>
> >
> > Jews are very rich and succesful in the US. But Israel is not exactly a
> World economic power.
>
> Israel has only 5.5 million people - how can it be a super power.
What has population got to do with wealth of a country. Those countries in Europe
with smaller populations than Israel are wealthier than Israel.
Tamil Fool.
>
> Nonetheless it has a much higher standard of living that its neighbors,
> and
> substantial technological expertise.
What?
Israel have a higher living standard than Saudi Arabia and Kuwait?
Your Jaffna education is showing.
>
>
> >
> > Indians are rich and successful in the UK. But India is not exactly in the
> first world.
>
> Nor is Sri Lanka. India has 1 billion people, and the growing population
> is a
> serious strain. Plus India, like Sri Lanka, is plague be ethnic
> disputes. The
> best thing for India would be simply to break up into smaller nations
> based
> on ethnicity, and all its people would be better of for it.
You keep contradicting yourself. You started the argument by saying that economic
success is based on Culture and now you seems to be saying that it is not.
Those with Indian culture in the UK are more successful than those with Indian
culture in India.
So Culture has nothing to do with success.
You agree that as usual your Tamil education has provided you with a sad brain.
>
>
> >
> > All Humans are the same, and perform equally, if equal resouces are
> allocated.
>
> All humans are equal, but the cultural attitudes that they develop will
> determine their achievements.
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
So then, why are Jews in the US better than the JEWS in Israel.
Why are Indians in the UK better off than the Indians in India.
Surely they are of the same culture in both countries and therefore must perform
equally well.?
>
>
> >
> > Minorities in Countries...Ie. Jews in the US, Chinese in Malaya etc feel
> insecure and thus allocate more resouces in order to succeed. Thats why
> they are successful.
>
> Well, is this not a cultural attitude
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h aha ha h
ah ah ah aah h aha h ah aha ha h ah ah
Oh! That Tamil brain...
he he he he he he eh he he he he h e he he he he he he
>
>
> >
> > First generation Indians in Britain, own shops, get up at 3 in the morning,
> takes in the milk and the papers and get ready to open shop. Their kids
> educated in the UK are more secure and British.
> >
> > Now, ask them to get up at 3 and get the newspapers and the milk in
> and they will ask you to fuck off.
> >
>
> This may well be true with Indians, but it is not true for Jews in the
> US, or
> the Chinese in Malaysia, where their success and hard work transcends
> generations.
> >
So What is your conclusion.?
That culturally Jews and Chinese are better and are more sucessful than the
Indians?
I doubt it.
In Britain the Indians have more or less taken over from the Jews.
>
>
> > Sri Lanka is a Sinhala buddhist state and if anyone can call it their
> homeland, it is the Sinhalese. Today, Sri Lanka is the home of all its
> peoples and races. NO Tamil coolie who swarmed the ancient Sinhalese
> homelands can change Weligama in Jaffna to Weligamam can then claim
> it to
> > be a Tamil homeland.
>
> Tamils have been in Sri Lanka for just as long as the Sinhalese. Even if
> the
> Sinhalese arrived a few hundred years earlier - so what - both groups
> arrived more than 2000 years ago. And do forget that the Vedda were
> there
> before this.
Tamils arrived in Sri Lanka 1500 years after the Sinhalese. Your own Tamil prof
says so........
Excerpts from Karthigesu Indrapala’s Phd thesis, University of London 1965.
Karthigesu Indrapala was the former professor of history at the University of
Ceylon, Jaffna campus.
.
Until the ninth century, with the exception of the megalithic
remains of Pomparippu and the possible exception of those of
Katiraveli, there is no definite evidence regarding any Dravidian
settlement in the island. (page 51)
No definite evidence regarding any significant Tamil settlement
in the Batticaloa district of the Eastern Province, which is now
a predominantly Tamil area, or in other parts of Southern
Ceylon has so far come to light. It is possible that there were
some Tamil settlers in the Batticaloa district for, from the
thirteenth century onwards, we get archaeological, epigraphic
and literary evidence pointing to Tamil settlements in the area.
(page 233)
It may be recollected that several writers on the history of
Jaffna, basing their studies on the traditional legends found in
the late Tamil chronicles, have put forward certain theories
claiming the establishment of Tamil settlements in Jaffna in the
period of the Anuradhapura rulers. These theories are not
accepted by serious students of history as they are not based
on trustworthy data. Many of these have been convincingly
dismissed by scholars in recent years. It is therefore, not our
intention to analyse these theories and take serious notice of
writings which at best could be described as popular. (page
266)
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/umberto/indra.htm
>
>
> >
> > the Tamil homeland is in Tamil nadu.
>
> Wrong - Tamil Nadu and the Tamil areas of Sri Lanka
What about Tamil areas in mauritious, malaysia, South Africa, Fuji...etc?
he he he he he he he he he he he he he
There are NO Tamil areas in Sri Lanka.
If you Tamilise a Sinhala Weligama in Jaffna to Weligamam, it does not become a
Tamil area.
If you Tamilise a English East Ham in London, to Easthamam, it does not become a
Tamil area.
>
>
> >
> > Tamils in Sri Lanka, malaya, mauritious, South Africa cannot claim
> Tamil homelands in all these countries as Jews all over Europe cannot
> claim Jewish homelands all over Europe.
>
> These links that you seek to make do not make any sense. Why don't you
> say that the Sinhalese are North Indians.
Not at all.
Vijaya arrived from North India in 548 BC with 700
In 200 BC Dutu Gemunu Built Ruwanwelisaya.
It is not physically possible for the decendants of 700 to do such things in 300
years.
The Sinhalese identity has absorbed all the peoples of Sri lanka. Thats why it
became possible.
Therefore the Sinhalese are the original inhabitants of Sri lanka and the ethnic
mixture of many races.
Sinhalese are an identity Unique to Sri Lanka and it is a Sri lankan identity.
Tamil is a Tamil Nadu identity, and their Territorial claims to Sri lanka,
malaya, mauritious etc,, is more like Englishmen in Australia, South Africa and
the US demanding English Homelands in these countries.
>
>
> > Your inferior Jaffna education is the cause of all your problems. You
> should have been educated in India. They have a much better education
> system than Jaffna fools.
> >
>
> You don't know where my education comes from, but at least I have more
> objectivity than you.
We have all seen it very well..
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha
h aha ha
>
> > >
> >
> > I know. Its silly for the Jaffna educated to address their problems in the
> courts. They prefer Terrorism.
>
> Before the liberation war started the Sinhalses courts never did
> anything to
> remedy discrimination.
Thats because there was no discrimination.
Tamils doctors go to Australia , UK etc and say that Tamils are discriminated in
Education in Sri Lanka and then gain refugee status.
Why don't you ask them if they got their medical degree in the plane, on their
way to a first word country?
>
>
> >
> > Tamils are a very silly race. Thats why they are walking around with a
> terrorist tag around their necks and now hiding behind bushes in the
> vanni,
> waiting for Sinhalese to send them food lorry's.
>
> The terrorism of the Sri Lankan government is much greater than anything
> that the LTTE may have done.
I suppose thats why the US, India, malaysia etc have banned the LTTE and named it
as a Terrorist organisation.
> Your army does not know anything about
> human rights or the Geneva convention.
>
Why should they?
Those Tamils who operate outside the law should not seek the protection of the
law, when they are captured.
>
> >
> > How silly can you get.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Kosovo is a distict country.
> > > Just like Eelam
> >
> > You mean...Sinhalam........The Sinhalese homeland....
> > TAMIL EELAM ?
> >
> >
> The situation of Kosovo is identical to the Tamil question.
We can all see that. Thats why No country on planet earth is helping the Tamil
Terrorists and the whole world is helping the Kosovans.
>
>
> > Dr. S. Krishnaswami Aiyangar of the Madras University
> > writing on 29.8.1926 the Foreword to Ancient Jaffna by
> > Mudaliyar C. Rasanayagam says: "The attempt of the
> > author to derive the name Ilam does not appeal to us as quite
> > successful; Ilam to us seems to be directly derived from the
> > Pali word Sihala, which in Tamil would be Singalam or even
> > Singanam, but a strict Tamilising would make it Ilam...."
> > Ancient Jaffna-Mudaliyar C Rasanayagam (Foreword p. v.).
> >
> > The Tamil Lexicon gives the meaning of Ilam.;
> > "Ilam< Pali, Sihala< Simhala." ( Tamil Lexicon. Published
> > under the Authority of the University of Madras 1936.)
> >
> > Dr. Karthigesu Indrapalan, Professor of History of the
> > University of Jaffna, explains the word Ilam. " Presumably it
> > rests on the fact that Ilam is now used only in Tamil as a
> > name for Ceylon But the origin of this name, far from
> > indicating that the island was occupied by the Tamil speaking
> > people in ancient times, shows that the people from whose
> > name Ilam is derived were sinhalese."( Thesis for the Ph.D.
> > by Dr. Karthigesu Indrapalan, submitted to the University of
> > London in 1962 (Unpublished S.O. 15.1. 84).)
>
> This is all blabber
Yes, Tamil historians from madras and Jaffna are all Blabber....
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Now we know why the world thinks that the Tamils are all blabber and are not
lifting a finger to help them.
>
>
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > The whole world is supporting us and NO ONE is supporting you,
> because of this.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, the world is a very unjust place, but the struggle will continue
> > > nonetheless. It is better to fight and die for freedom than to live as a
> > > slave.
> >
> >
> >
> > When you were transported all over the world by the Colonial powers to
> slave for them in the plantations, we never saw you fighting for freedom
> rather than living as a slave.
>
> We were prepared to work and earn a living, instead of living like
> parasites.
Is that why you were living like parasites, a whole family in a room in a line,
eating pissing, shitting and sleeping there?
You are a race that worships stone cocks and stone cunts, calling it Sivalingam.
What a barbarian race you are.
>
>
> >
> > I guess you like to live in a room in a line and slave away....you guys
> keep talking about all that hard work all the time.
> >
>
> If it were not for the colonial powers and the work done by the Tamils,
> Sri
> Lanka would be like Tanzania, because the Sinhalese on their own have
> always been helpless.
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h
Ah!
So the all knowing all Seeing Tamils came to Sri lanka because we were all so
helpless and not because you were all starving in Tamil Nadu?
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he h ehe he he h he he he he
he he he he he he he he he
So the Tamils and the Black slaves went all over the world to live like animals
and work in Plantations because you were all so noble and helping countries those
were helpless?
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
h ha ha ha ha h ha ha ha ha ha h aha h ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h h ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
I suppose the Blacks in England are working in the London's transport system
because England was so helpless.
The Indians are working 24 hours and keeping their shops open because the English
are so helpless?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
The World can see the Brains of Tamils and why we cannot solve the problems of
Sri Lanka peacefully.
I am glad you have left Sri lanka forever and gone to Australia to help those
poor Australians who are helpless and lazy. You hardworking Tamils will put
multiple social security applications, work hard and make Australia a better
place to live in.
Best of Luck.
Thank you again for leaving Sri Lanka.
Australia is so much richers to have such hard working people like you.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui wrote:
Ah!
I forgot to mention one thing.
We are aware that the LTTE attack on the Buddhist temple at Sri maha Bodhi in Anuradhapura
in which hundreds of Sinhalese civilians and buddhist monks were killed, was initiated and
planned by none other than India.(RAW) This was India's way of bringing about pressure on
the JR government....by killing innocent civilians.
We got a visit by the US General Vernon Walters, who gave us satellite photo's of Indian
Training camps of the LTTE and Indian Submarines violating our territorial waters.
He also paid a visit to Mrs Gandhi. She as usual denied that India trained the LTTE. Gen
Walters then informed her that the US has satellite pics of the training camps and if
India continues to deny, then the United States will make them public.
From That day, India stopped denying that they were training the Tamil murderers.
We also recieved copies of entire confidential files on Sri Lanka from the Indian
interior ministry, curtesy of the French Republic's intelligence services.
So my friend, we knew exactly what the Indians were upto.
In fact, before the Indians could tell us anything, we knew what the Indians were going to
tell us.
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
Just for your information....We in Sri Lanka have a literacy rate of over 90% and an
average income much higher than India. Thats why the Tamils have always swimmed over to
Sri Lanka.
So, we are not just pretty faces, we know a thing or two as well.
Umberto Gui
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
Given the size of Srilanka compared to India , it is the former which
kas rent itself into
pieces with ethnic and political civil war. The entire population of SL
is only a bit
more than than the poluation of Chennai . But majority of regions in
India have not seen
any ethnic violence, in any case not the persistant ones we see in SL
for the last 40
years. You could not lived in South India for your whole life and not
witnessed any
ethnic violence.
> I am glad Pakistan is now doing it to you guys. They are also trying to get their
> minds and policy clear, just like India. They also like India, doesn't quite know how
> to deal with the situation and until they do, they have decided to , just like India,
> they are arming and training killers to kill Indians.
>
Pakistans mind is already clear. Give lot of nuisance to India in
revenge for the defeat
and surrender at India's hands in 71. They give nuisance by sending the
minions of
Mr.Osama Bin Laden into India who duly get Indian made bullets in their
back at the
border.
>
> We have a Sinhala solution.
> Cut their balls and stuff it in their mouths.
> h are using Terrorism to break away.
> > >
> >
> > The terrorists in Kashmir are not Kashmiris, but mostly Islamic gangs trained by
> > Osama BinLaden.
>
> Terrorists in Sri lanka are not Tamils, but mostly LTTE gangs trained and armed
> previously by Indians.
Are you saying that LTTE has only guns aquired in mid-80s from India ?
It is a poor
reflection on SL army which can't crush a group who don't have any arms
supplies for years
and years
>
> > The Kashniris under the leadership of Dr.Sheikh Abdulla fight
> > them.
>
> Tamils under the leadership of the EPDP, PLOT, EPRLF fought them.
>
> > Sheikh Abdulla was even present at the site of Indian nuclear blast to cheer
> > India.
> >
>
> The EPRLF, EPDP, PLOT and others are all by the side of the Sri Lankan government.
>
Are you saying that the SL army fighting Tamil militancy is made up of
Eelam PRLF, Eelam
PDP, and PLOT with whom the SL govt is friends. You don't see the irony
of it. After
claiming the whole of idea of Eelam is poppycock, Sinhalese will never
recognise such a
thing as Ealam you are saying your govt is helping some Eelam groups.
This shows your own
govt has tacitly recognised the existence of Eelam. Presumably another
Eelam group LTTE ,
at some point got military help from Srilankan govt. If Elam is such a
non-existant thing
unacceptable to Sinhalese, why are your govt in cahoots with groups
calling themselves
Eelam? Nice one, after cutting each other's balls and stuffing each
other's mouth- which
is a classic Sinhalese way of doing things according to you,- it is all
buddy-buddy
> > > > Anyway much of the
> > > > re-training,
> > > > re-arming and expanding Srilankan forces was done to suppress the civil
> > > > war
> > > > in the south with the leftists which probably cost as much in human
> > > > lives as
> > > > the civil war in the north. Srilanka is the only country in the world
> > > > which
> > > > can be proud of doing all it's battles with it's own population for 30
> > > > years
> > > > with not a single shot fired at external enemies.All it's defence budget
> > > > goes in fighting it's own citizens, it's guns, planes, bullets, tanks
> > > > are
> > > > bought to kill and maim it's own citizens, it's airforce knows of no
> > > > battles
> > > > outside it's borders, it's army knows no outside forces in battles.
> > > > Bravo.
> > > > keep it up
> > >
> > > Yes....
> > >
> > > Just like Kashmir, Punjab, Tamil Nadu, and other seperatists in the East.
> >
> > In Punjab, it was the Sikh police which crushed sikh separatists. In Tamilnadu,
> > there are no separatists to suppress even by the Tamil police.
>
> I wonder why all those bombs are going off in madras. Wasn't Tamil Nadu the first
> Indian state which made moves to cesside?
Bombs going off in Madras is a very rare event. It was planted by some
crackpots who don't
have any political agenda, not even separatist agenda. At no time there
was an honest or
serious separatist move in Tamilnadu. It was never an election agenda in
the entire
lifetime of Free india. You are misinformed on this score
>
> > In Kashmir, Indian
> > army is there only in Borders to prevent armed followers of Osama Bin laden. In
> > India, army is used for fighting extrenal wars which it what it is meant for.
>
> The Moslems in India have often claimed that during riots the Indian army and police
> actively participate in Riots against them. Wasn't the Indian army mobilised in the
> Punjab?
Sometimes, some Muslims have made such a complaint against the police is
some localities,
but never against the Indian army. Even when these complaints are made,
it os not that the
Police actively paripate against them. No. It is simply that Police are
not available at
the right time in the right place. During 85-91, Sikh militancy it was
the Sikh police of
Punjab which crushed the sikh separatists, not the Indian army
Coming by invitation is not considered violation. Hence what you say
is true. That is
what happened in '71 also. Without the airlift of Indian troops to
Colombo, the SL govt
would have gone under.
>
> Anyway, you guys paid for that with the life of your Prime Minister who ordered that
> action.
>
> > India
> > interfered by sening it's troops to Maldives at the invitation of it's govt to
> > prevent it being overrun in late 80s. It 'interfered' in Bangladesh to see that 12
> > million people of Bangladesh can go back to their homeland and to stop the
> > massacre of Bengalis by Pakistani army which, in 9 months was 3 million people.
>
> ha ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
> Yes..Yes...
>
> >
> > How come Indian intervention is usually invited by the host country?
>
> Invited You say?
>
> More like gate crashing.
Did they gatecrash into Colombo in 71? in Maldives in 89?did IPKF
gatecrash into SL?
>
> > If Srilanka
> > is in one piece, you can thank India for it.
>
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha
>
> You mean, we might have INVITED india to break us apart.
>
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h ha
>
> Sri lanka is one country, because India realised that if it is seperated, it will
> threaten the security of India.
>
> This was achieved by the Sri Lankan President Ranasinghe Premadasa by arming the LTTE
> against the IPKF.
>
> Sri lanka is one country, because of the astute diplomacy and foreign Policy
> abjectives of our Leaders.
>
> It was india that armed and trained the LTTE against us. In the end we turned tables
> on the Indians by arming and training the LTTE against the Indians.
Is there any documentary proof for what you saying that LTTE was armed
by SL govt to fight
India? or are you spinning it out of thin air? By all accounts LTTE did
not hand over
majority of weapons to the Indian army, it hid them till it started
fighting with IPKF.
You claim SL govt is smart. But it has already given political
credibility to Eelam cause
by bedding with LTTE, EPRLD, EDPF, etc. You have got caight in your
own web of deceit.
Unprincipled tactical alliances have made a mockery of your own stated
political positions
and diluted them
> We sent a VERY clear and LOUD message to India, that if India destabilises Sri Lanka,
> We will inturn De-stabilise India's Southern flank.
>
> India got our message with a big Bang, when gandhi was blown up and pulled back and
> now follows a policy of non-interferance.
>
> India is big but not very smart. It fails to realise one fundamental message. No
> country on earth can enhance its security be making another insecure.
>
> India tried this by blasting the atom bomb. There were cheers for a week and then
> sorrow as Pakistan responded.
>
> It is the same lesson in Sri Lanka. India tried to use its size to intimidate and
> bully us, violated our airspace, trained and armed Tamil murderers against us, and
> then we turned tables on India and let it be known that two can tango.
>
> Umberto Gui
Smart guys indeed who have spent all their 50 years of political freedom
in cutting each
other's balls and stuffing each other's mouth. In your estimation
smartness does not
consist in fighting with a well-armed enemy and capture half his
country, half his
population and make make 100000 of their best troops surrender. In you
books, smartness
consists in fighting your own citizens for deacde after decade cutting
each other's balls
and stuffing each other's mouth. Smartness consists in living in
daydreams of having
destabilised a foreign country without sending any troops outside their
barracks , without
flying their planes outside their borders.and with the same foreign
country keeping an
army in your country. Smartness consists in supplying arms to your own
sworn enemies.
Smartness consists in refusing to accept Ealam and then supplying arms
to LTTE and making
alliance with other Eelam parties like TELO, EPRLF, EDPF. Srilanka is
the rare instance in
the world which armed it's own separatists. What else you expect from
smart guys? Keep it
boy, with smart guys like you the rest of the world has nothing to
worry.
lacorti
corrections for what its worth.
The wealth of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia derives entirely from oil and
other natural resources. Without those resouces these would be much
poorer countries.
The Sinhalese arrived from North India. The numbers that you rely on are
not accurate. Nobody knows exactly the magnitude of migrations that took
place more than 2000 years ago.
The Sinhalese would have killed many veddas, and also absorbed some, and
in the process destroyed their culture. Nonetheless, Sinhalese culture
is a North Indian culture.
To claim that the homeland of the Tamils is exclusively Tamil Nadu is to
claim that the homeland of the Sinhalese is North India.
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
Only smart guys claim to rub shoulders with the US govt, Vernon Walters, French Intelligence
and using staellite photos and what not to find out these things.If you had been less than
smart, you could have all the details of tamil militants in India from India Today, the Indian
magazine, which was available at Rs1 in any newsagent.
> Just for your information....We in Sri Lanka have a literacy rate of over 90% and an
> average income much higher than India. Thats why the Tamils have always swimmed over to
> Sri Lanka.
Tamils swimming to Srilanka!! Who were those people who kept coming into Tamilnadu in boats
from Srilanka as refugees, after being hounded out of their homelands by the SLA. If the
literacy rate is so high, what is the point in giving prefential treatment to Sinhalese in the
education?
Umberto Gui
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
Most of Sri Lanka have lived their life without seeing any ethnic violence. I have never
seen any myself. Most of Sri Lanka lives in Villages with no ethnic violence.
Most people in Colombo see ethnic violence on TV. In real life few have actually seen it
with their own eyes.
>
>
> > I am glad Pakistan is now doing it to you guys. They are also trying to get their
> > minds and policy clear, just like India. They also like India, doesn't quite know how
> > to deal with the situation and until they do, they have decided to , just like India,
> > they are arming and training killers to kill Indians.
> >
>
> Pakistans mind is already clear. Give lot of nuisance to India in
> revenge for the defeat
> and surrender at India's hands in 71. They give nuisance by sending the
> minions of
> Mr.Osama Bin Laden into India who duly get Indian made bullets in their
> back at the
> border.
At least they are doing somthing in retaliation to their defaet.
What is India doing about her defeat to China?
>
>
> >
> > We have a Sinhala solution.
> > Cut their balls and stuff it in their mouths.
> > h are using Terrorism to break away.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The terrorists in Kashmir are not Kashmiris, but mostly Islamic gangs trained by
> > > Osama BinLaden.
> >
> > Terrorists in Sri lanka are not Tamils, but mostly LTTE gangs trained and armed
> > previously by Indians.
>
> Are you saying that LTTE has only guns aquired in mid-80s from India ?
They are more advanced now. They buy weapons in the open market and then sell it to Indian
seperatist groups keeping a profit for themselves.
>
> It is a poor
> reflection on SL army which can't crush a group who don't have any arms
> supplies for years
> and years
The Tamils say that the LTTE defeated the Indian army as well. It is a poor reflection that
the worlds biggest democracy trained Tamil killers to de-stabilise another country and then
even failed to protect their own leader from these very killers.
In comparison we are a very small country with far greater democratic traditions than India.
>
>
> >
> > > The Kashniris under the leadership of Dr.Sheikh Abdulla fight
> > > them.
> >
> > Tamils under the leadership of the EPDP, PLOT, EPRLF fought them.
> >
> > > Sheikh Abdulla was even present at the site of Indian nuclear blast to cheer
> > > India.
> > >
> >
> > The EPRLF, EPDP, PLOT and others are all by the side of the Sri Lankan government.
> >
>
> Are you saying that the SL army fighting Tamil militancy is made up of
> Eelam PRLF, Eelam
> PDP, and PLOT with whom the SL govt is friends.
Yes.
> You don't see the irony
> of it. After
> claiming the whole of idea of Eelam is poppycock, Sinhalese will never
> recognise such a
> thing as Ealam you are saying your govt is helping some Eelam groups.
EElam means Sinhalam, it is another name for Sri Lanka.
We cannot be against eelam because Eelam means Sri lanka.
We are against Seperatism. The groups you mention are against Seperatism.
>
> This shows your own
> govt has tacitly recognised the existence of Eelam.
The fact That Mrs Gandhi funded The Sikh Monk Bhrindhawale will be interpreted by you as
India tacitly acknowledging Kahlistan.?
The fact that the US funded Saddam against Iran in the past will be interpreted by you as
the US tacitly acknowledging mad saddam?
What ever you say......
You are no different to the Tamils of Sri Lanka in your outlook and thinking.
> Presumably another
> Eelam group LTTE ,
> at some point got military help from Srilankan govt. If Elam is such a
> non-existant thing
> unacceptable to Sinhalese, why are your govt in cahoots with groups
> calling themselves
> Eelam?
We learn our lessons from the great Indian, kautilya Arthashashtri.
You obviously do not.
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
Have your school ever taught you of a saying....My friends Enemy is my friend?
These things are too advanced for Tamils......
> Nice one, after cutting each other's balls and stuffing each
> other's mouth- which
> is a classic Sinhalese way of doing things according to you,- it is all
> buddy-buddy
Yep. Just like India and China. After blowing each other up, now its buddy buddy.
Then why did Nehru move almost the entire Indian army into Tamil Nadu?
May be he was INVITED as you say.....
> It was never an election agenda in
> the entire
> lifetime of Free india. You are misinformed on this score
We know more about the activities of Indians, than the Indians themselves.
You guys were shocked by that Commission about the Killing of Rajiv gandhi.
For us, it was old hat.
>
>
> >
> > > In Kashmir, Indian
> > > army is there only in Borders to prevent armed followers of Osama Bin laden. In
> > > India, army is used for fighting extrenal wars which it what it is meant for.
> >
> > The Moslems in India have often claimed that during riots the Indian army and police
> > actively participate in Riots against them. Wasn't the Indian army mobilised in the
> > Punjab?
>
> Sometimes, some Muslims have made such a complaint against the police is
> some localities,
> but never against the Indian army.
The Tamils in Jaffna tell me that the worst Rapists and killers on planet earth and in the
Indian army. The LTTE even published a book and distributed it in Madras, soon after
exploding bombs in Madras.
> Even when these complaints are made,
> it os not that the
> Police actively paripate against them. No. It is simply that Police are
> not available at
> the right time in the right place.
Tell that to the Sikhs, Muslims and the Christians.
> During 85-91, Sikh militancy it was
> the Sikh police of
> Punjab which crushed the sikh separatists, not the Indian army
Who stromed the Amritsar Golden Temple?
India violated Our air space and our territorial waters without and Invitation by us, prior
to the arrival of the IPKF.
As I said, the man who ordered it was blown up by his own friends.
>
>
> >
> > Anyway, you guys paid for that with the life of your Prime Minister who ordered that
> > action.
> >
> > > India
> > > interfered by sening it's troops to Maldives at the invitation of it's govt to
> > > prevent it being overrun in late 80s. It 'interfered' in Bangladesh to see that 12
> > > million people of Bangladesh can go back to their homeland and to stop the
> > > massacre of Bengalis by Pakistani army which, in 9 months was 3 million people.
> >
> > ha ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> >
> > Yes..Yes...
> >
> > >
> > > How come Indian intervention is usually invited by the host country?
> >
> > Invited You say?
> >
> > More like gate crashing.
>
> Did they gatecrash into Colombo in 71?
No.
> in Maldives in 89?
No
> did IPKF
> gatecrash into SL?
Yes.
> > > If Srilanka
> > > is in one piece, you can thank India for it.
> >
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> > ha
> >
> > You mean, we might have INVITED india to break us apart.
> >
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h ha
> >
> > Sri lanka is one country, because India realised that if it is seperated, it will
> > threaten the security of India.
> >
> > This was achieved by the Sri Lankan President Ranasinghe Premadasa by arming the LTTE
> > against the IPKF.
> >
> > Sri lanka is one country, because of the astute diplomacy and foreign Policy
> > abjectives of our Leaders.
> >
> > It was india that armed and trained the LTTE against us. In the end we turned tables
> > on the Indians by arming and training the LTTE against the Indians.
>
> Is there any documentary proof for what you saying that LTTE was armed
> by SL govt to fight
> India?
tut..tut..tut...
I always knew you were debating knowing only half the facts. Its common knowledge and has
been all over the Indian newspapers.
> or are you spinning it out of thin air? By all accounts LTTE did
> not hand over
> majority of weapons to the Indian army, it hid them till it started
> fighting with IPKF.
>
> You claim SL govt is smart. But it has already given political
> credibility to Eelam cause
> by bedding with LTTE, EPRLD, EDPF, etc. You have got caight in your
> own web of deceit.
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
You guys are so basic.
According to your Tamil brain, the fact that the US and the UK trained and supplied the USSR
means that the US and the UK were bedding with the Communists and have given political
credibility to Communism.
ha ha ha ha ha ha a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha
Did a Sri lankan Tamil educate you. ?
>
> Unprincipled tactical alliances have made a mockery of your own stated
> political positions
> and diluted them
Yes...yes...
We know that Tactical alliances made between the Russians and the Americans during WWII have
made a mockery of their stated political positions of being against Communism and diluted
them. Americans are secret Communists eh?
>
>
> > We sent a VERY clear and LOUD message to India, that if India destabilises Sri Lanka,
> > We will inturn De-stabilise India's Southern flank.
> >
> > India got our message with a big Bang, when gandhi was blown up and pulled back and
> > now follows a policy of non-interferance.
> >
> > India is big but not very smart. It fails to realise one fundamental message. No
> > country on earth can enhance its security be making another insecure.
> >
> > India tried this by blasting the atom bomb. There were cheers for a week and then
> > sorrow as Pakistan responded.
> >
> > It is the same lesson in Sri Lanka. India tried to use its size to intimidate and
> > bully us, violated our airspace, trained and armed Tamil murderers against us, and
> > then we turned tables on India and let it be known that two can tango.
> >
> > Umberto Gui
>
> Smart guys indeed who have spent all their 50 years of political freedom
> in cutting each
> other's balls and stuffing each other's mouth.
The Americans have done it to the Russians even longer and they can buy out India several
times over.
> In your estimation
> smartness does not
> consist in fighting with a well-armed enemy and capture half his
> country, half his
> population and make make 100000 of their best troops surrender.
Are you talking about how China is sitting on a part of India?
> In you
> books, smartness
> consists in fighting your own citizens for deacde after decade cutting
> each other's balls
> and stuffing each other's mouth.
How long have you been fighting over Kashmir? On top of That Glazier?
> Smartness consists in living in
> daydreams of having
> destabilised a foreign country without sending any troops outside their
> barracks ,
Isn't that What Pakistan is doing at Present in the Kashmir?
> without
> flying their planes outside their borders.and with the same foreign
> country keeping an
> army in your country. Smartness consists in supplying arms to your own
> sworn enemies.
Absolutely, especially if it involves turning tables on those who armed and trained that
sworn Enemy.
>
> Smartness consists in refusing to accept Ealam and then supplying arms
> to LTTE
We supply arms to the LTTE.
The LTTE and the IPKF kill each other and we watch from the sidelines.
Our sworn enemy and his master who trained and armed them killing each other and we watching
from the sidelines and you think we are not smart?
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he h he he
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he h ehe
> and making
> alliance with other Eelam parties like TELO, EPRLF, EDPF.
We will have alliances even with the devil, in order to defeat our enemies.
> Srilanka is
> the rare instance in
> the world which armed it's own separatists.
India is a rare instance in the world which armed and trained a foreign Terrorist group
which turned around and killed a thousand Indian soldiers and blew up its Prime Minister.
India's Tamil Dog turned around and bit India?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha
> What else you expect from
> smart guys? Keep it
> boy, with smart guys like you the rest of the world has nothing to
> worry.
he he he he he he
India bitten by her own Tamil Dog eh?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
> Only smart guys claim to rub shoulders with the US govt, Vernon Walters, French Intelligence
> and using staellite photos and what not to find out these things.If you had been less than
> smart, you could have all the details of tamil militants in India from India Today, the Indian
> magazine, which was available at Rs1 in any newsagent.
>
he he he he he he he he he
Indian magazines and newspapers came out with in Years later.
May be you guys thought that it was News then.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
>
> > Just for your information....We in Sri Lanka have a literacy rate of over 90% and an
> > average income much higher than India. Thats why the Tamils have always swimmed over to
> > Sri Lanka.
>
> Tamils swimming to Srilanka!!
Yes.
They are called "Kallathoni's."
As a Child I used to take food and clothes with my parents to give these South Indian Tamils who
had swum over and arrested and kept in Jail in Colombo, near the Rio Cinema.
> Who were those people who kept coming into Tamilnadu in boats
> from Srilanka as refugees, after being hounded out of their homelands by the SLA.
Yes. For the first Time in a thousand years, the Tamils started swiming back to Tamil Nadu in the
80's and thank god for that. I hope more and more of them return back to the Tamil Homeland.
The British brought over two Million to pluck tea in the estates. We have sent most of them back
as well.
Why can't Tamils stay in their own Homeland and make a success of it, rather than swarming the
Homelands of others?
> If the
> literacy rate is so high, what is the point in giving prefential treatment to Sinhalese in the
> education?
You are out of date by about 20 years my friend. But then most Tamils are.
In 1991 Jaffna District applied for and was granted Under-privileged status and since then Tamils
from Jaffna are going to university with lower marks than the Sinhalese.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> You have been brainwashed beyond redemption. Just a couple of
> corrections for what its worth.
More shovelling?
>
>
> The wealth of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia derives entirely from oil and
> other natural resources. Without those resouces these would be much
> poorer countries.
In case you are not aware, this applies to all countries on planet earth. Even India
will be begging if it was not for Oil and Steel.
>
>
> The Sinhalese arrived from North India. The numbers that you rely on are
> not accurate.
We can only go by the little information we have.
> Nobody knows exactly the magnitude of migrations that took
> place more than 2000 years ago.
>
> The Sinhalese would have killed many veddas, and also absorbed some, and
> in the process destroyed their culture. Nonetheless, Sinhalese culture
> is a North Indian culture.
>
> To claim that the homeland of the Tamils is exclusively Tamil Nadu is to
> claim that the homeland of the Sinhalese is North India.
>
he he he he he he he he
There are no Sinhalese in North India.
Sinhalese language is not spoken in North India.
The Sinhala identity is unique to Sri Lanka, for they are the Bumiputras of Sri Lanka
and it has absorbed many Tamils as well.
Those Tamils in Sri lanka who have the "Tamil" Identity today and recent arrivals in
the country and have not been fully absorbed into the Sri Lankan Identity.
Tamils were brought to Sri Lanka by the Portuguese, Dutch and the British to
work in the
Tobacco plantations in Jaffna
Mannar Pearl Fishery
Cinnamon Plantations
Coffee Plantations
Tea Plantations
Fishing industry
Rubber plantations in Sri Lanka and malaya
etc..etc..etc..
An OVERWHELMING majority of the Tamils of Sri lanka today, who have maintained their
Tamil Identity, arrived in the country during the Colonial period.
Chelvanayagam was born in Malaya and immigrated to Sri lanka, and so did the
grandfather of Prabakaran. They are all ALIENS.
During this period, because of the Colonial presence, their was No compultion as before
for the Tamils to integrate into the Sinhala identity. Indeed it was in the interest of
the Colonial powers to ensure that the Tamils did not Integrate into the Sinhala
identity, because of their divide and rule policy.
Umberto Gui
Lanka
>
> You have been brainwashed beyond redemption. Just a couple of
> corrections for what its worth.
>
> The wealth of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia derives entirely from oil and
> other natural resources. Without those resouces these would be much
> poorer countries.
>
> The Sinhalese arrived from North India. The numbers that you rely on are
> not accurate. Nobody knows exactly the magnitude of migrations that took
> place more than 2000 years ago.
>
> The Sinhalese would have killed many veddas, and also absorbed some, and
> in the process destroyed their culture. Nonetheless, Sinhalese culture
> is a North Indian culture.
>
> To claim that the homeland of the Tamils is exclusively Tamil Nadu is to
> claim that the homeland of the Sinhalese is North India.
>
How does this establish that Tamils were in the country a long time ago?
Do you think they are veddhas?
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
It is bomeranging on Pakistan more than on India. Of course, it will be beyong your
comprehension
>
> What is India doing about her defeat to China?
India looks to the future for inspiration, not to the past for grieveces or 'who came here
first' game like you Sinhalese do. We simply take old defeats in our stride and concetrate on
the future
>
Mrs G did not fund Bhindrenwala. Even at the time, when they were on good terms, Bhindrenwala
was not propogating Khalistan
>
>
> The fact that the US funded Saddam against Iran in the past will be interpreted by you as
> the US tacitly acknowledging mad saddam?
USA had always acknowledged Iraq and Saddam regime. Till Gulf war, USA had the usual emabassy.
Your grasp of facts or international politics is quite tenuous. States recognise only other
States. Particular governments or regime is never a factor in recognition or the absense of it.
Your thinking "US tacitly acknowledging mad saddam" is unheard of and absolutely meanigless in
International relations. Governments all over the world have recognised Iraq State. US may be
friendly or hostile to Iraq under Saddam , but "acknowledgemt" is completely meaningless. Of
course, these are beyond your Sinhalese brain for whom Mahavamsa is the source of wisdom and
there was somebody called "kautilya Arthashashtri."
>
> What ever you say......
>
> You are no different to the Tamils of Sri Lanka in your outlook and thinking.
>
> > Presumably another
> > Eelam group LTTE ,
> > at some point got military help from Srilankan govt. If Elam is such a
> > non-existant thing
> > unacceptable to Sinhalese, why are your govt in cahoots with groups
> > calling themselves
> > Eelam?
>
> We learn our lessons from the great Indian, kautilya Arthashashtri.
>
>
> Have your school ever taught you of a saying....My friends Enemy is my friend?
>
It is obvious you are talking out of your hat. There was nobody called "Arthashashtri.". I bet
you have not seen Arthasastra from 10 miles. If you sincerely consider it's authour great, you
would have at least given a capital letter to a proper name. It looks like you consider
Arthashashtri. as his name and "kautilya" as his title. When will your Sinhalese brain ever
learn that Kaitilya is the proper name and the name of the book is Arthashashtra. 'Shastri'
ending makes it a meaningless word.
>
> These things are too advanced for Tamils......
>
You Sinhalese don't have elementary knowledge of Sanskrit literature and you are talking about
Tamils. Of course, one can expect Sinhalese smart guys to float in Cloud No9 without knowing
anything
>
> > Nice one, after cutting each other's balls and stuffing each
> > other's mouth- which
> > is a classic Sinhalese way of doing things according to you,- it is all
> > buddy-buddy
>
> Yep. Just like India and China. After blowing each other up, now its buddy buddy.
In case you don't know, it is not buddy budy between India and China. Again , voice from Cloud
No 9. In any case, you can't compare your problems with India-China
>
> Then why did Nehru move almost the entire Indian army into Tamil Nadu?
>
> May be he was INVITED as you say.....
Nehru at no time moved Indian army into Tamilnadu to crush any separatist uprising because there
was none. . Your Cloud No9 must be a cozy place where you don't have to check against reality,
where you can pull facts from your Sinhalese brains instead of reality
> > It was never an election agenda in
> > the entire
> > lifetime of Free india. You are misinformed on this score
>
> We know more about the activities of Indians, than the Indians themselves.
>
> You guys were shocked by that Commission about the Killing of Rajiv gandhi.
Hello Resident of Cloud No9, who knows Eveything about India more than Indians, Indian were
shocked by the killing of RG and not about the Commission
> The Tamils in Jaffna tell me that the worst Rapists and killers on planet earth and in the
> Indian army. The LTTE even published a book and distributed it in Madras, soon after
> exploding bombs in Madras.
Probably, your Very Clever leaders helped LTTE to defray the costs of publication and
distribution. Are you claiming that also?
>
>
> > During 85-91, Sikh militancy it was
> > the Sikh police of
> > Punjab which crushed the sikh separatists, not the Indian army
>
> Who stromed the Amritsar Golden Temple?
It was the Sikh General Ranjit Singh and his men
Your Sinhalese brain from Cloud No9 does not realise that USA and UK have given political
credibity to Communism by a)allowing Commnist parties in their countries and b)recognizing
Communist governments. This was much before they gave any help to USSR. My Tamil brain is more
in tune with the facts of history than your brain can ever be. I suggest you live in real world
and stop comparing your small country to USA, USSR, UK, India and China, Your civil war with
Tamils bears no comparison to world wars. Stop deluding yourseves. Even if your country goes
down the drain completely, world is not going to take notice of it.
>
>
> ha ha ha ha ha ha a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha ha ha
>
> Did a Sri lankan Tamil educate you. ?
If you live Cloud No9 , anything is possible .
>
> >
> > Unprincipled tactical alliances have made a mockery of your own stated
> > political positions
> > and diluted them
>
> Yes...yes...
>
> We know that Tactical alliances made between the Russians and the Americans during WWII have
> made a mockery of their stated political positions of being against Communism and diluted
> them. Americans are secret Communists eh?
>
If you stop comparing your country, whose sole battle experience putting down it's ow
population, and absolutely no experience of fighting a single external enemy ,with super powers,
you will get better sense of proportion and rationality in your outlook.
From the Glazier India is fighting it's enemy troops, not it's own citizens, unlike Srilanka
whose sole battles are with it's own citizens
>
> > Smartness consists in living in
> > daydreams of having
> > destabilised a foreign country without sending any troops outside their
> > barracks ,
>
> Isn't that What Pakistan is doing at Present in the Kashmir?
No. This is what Sinhalese like you ( I would not bracket all sinhalese with you) are
daydreaming.
>
> > without
> > flying their planes outside their borders.and with the same foreign
> > country keeping an
> > army in your country. Smartness consists in supplying arms to your own
> > sworn enemies.
>
> Absolutely, especially if it involves turning tables on those who armed and trained that
> sworn Enemy.
>
> >
> > Smartness consists in refusing to accept Ealam and then supplying arms
> > to LTTE
>
> We supply arms to the LTTE.
>
> The LTTE and the IPKF kill each other and we watch from the sidelines.
>
> Our sworn enemy and his master who trained and armed them killing each other and we watching
> from the sidelines and you think we are not smart?
>
> he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he h he he
> he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he h ehe
>
> > and making
> > alliance with other Eelam parties like TELO, EPRLF, EDPF.
>
> We will have alliances even with the devil, in order to defeat our enemies.
You have made so many alliances with the devil ,switching so rapidly that you don't know who is
a devil or who is not. Do you think TELO, EPRLF or EDPF are going to help you to wipe out LTTE
completely? No, they know they are useful to the govt as long as LTTE is there fighting and if
LTTE is wiped out completely, they will be next in the hit list of SL govt. Hence they won't be
too keen on wiping out LTTE. There are so many devils in SL that SL govt is stuck with eelam
parties for a long time. What a circus.
>
>
> > Srilanka is
> > the rare instance in
> > the world which armed it's own separatists.
>
> India is a rare instance in the world which armed and trained a foreign Terrorist group
It is not a rare instance for a country to arm and train a forign terrorist group. It is the
usual thing for a govt to do. Only SL armed it's own separatists. Of course , ordinary logic
and facts are life are beyond the comprehension of the Resident of Cloud No9
Umberto Gui
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
> Umberto Gui wrote:>
> > What is India doing about her defeat to China?
>
> India looks to the future for inspiration, not to the past for grieveces or 'who came here
> first' game like you Sinhalese do.We simply take old defeats in our stride and concetrate on the
> future
Then why are you still bickering with Pakistan.
Look at that Cricket match all that digging up and what a fiasco.
>
>
> > The fact That Mrs Gandhi funded The Sikh Monk Bhrindhawale will be interpreted by you as
> > India tacitly acknowledging Kahlistan.?
>
> Mrs G did not fund Bhindrenwala. Even at the time, when they were on good terms, Bhindrenwala
> was not propogating Khalistan
He changed his mind, did he?
>
>
> >
> >
> > The fact that the US funded Saddam against Iran in the past will be interpreted by you as
> > the US tacitly acknowledging mad saddam?
>
> USA had always acknowledged Iraq and Saddam regime. Till Gulf war, USA had the usual emabassy.
He changed his mind as well, huh?
>
>
> Your grasp of facts or international politics is quite tenuous. States recognise only other
> States.
In that case there is no question of the Sri lankan State recognising Eelam as you suggested
earlier.
> Particular governments or regime is never a factor in recognition or the absense of it.
> Your thinking "US tacitly acknowledging mad saddam" is unheard of and absolutely meanigless in
> International relations. Governments all over the world have recognised Iraq State. US may be
> friendly or hostile to Iraq under Saddam , but "acknowledgemt" is completely meaningless. Of
> course, these are beyond your Sinhalese brain for whom Mahavamsa is the source of wisdom and
> there was somebody called "kautilya Arthashashtri."
You don;t know him do you?
he he he he he he he he he he he h he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
he he he
>
>
> >
> > What ever you say......
> >
> > You are no different to the Tamils of Sri Lanka in your outlook and thinking.
> >
> > > Presumably another
> > > Eelam group LTTE ,
> > > at some point got military help from Srilankan govt. If Elam is such a
> > > non-existant thing
> > > unacceptable to Sinhalese, why are your govt in cahoots with groups
> > > calling themselves
> > > Eelam?
> >
> > We learn our lessons from the great Indian, kautilya Arthashashtri.
> >
> >
> > Have your school ever taught you of a saying....My friends Enemy is my friend?
> >
>
> It is obvious you are talking out of your hat. There was nobody called "Arthashashtri.". I bet
> you have not seen Arthasastra from 10 miles. If you sincerely consider it's authour great, you
> would have at least given a capital letter to a proper name. It looks like you consider
> Arthashashtri. as his name and "kautilya" as his title. When will your Sinhalese brain ever
> learn that Kaitilya is the proper name and the name of the book is Arthashashtra. 'Shastri'
> ending makes it a meaningless word.
Good. Now you understand the game we are playing with the PLOT, EPDP etc....I am pleased for you.
>
>
> >
> > These things are too advanced for Tamils......
> >
>
> You Sinhalese don't have elementary knowledge of Sanskrit literature and you are talking about
> Tamils. Of course, one can expect Sinhalese smart guys to float in Cloud No9 without knowing
> anything
Is there a cloud 8?
>
>
> >
> > > Nice one, after cutting each other's balls and stuffing each
> > > other's mouth- which
> > > is a classic Sinhalese way of doing things according to you,- it is all
> > > buddy-buddy
> >
> > Yep. Just like India and China. After blowing each other up, now its buddy buddy.
>
> In case you don't know, it is not buddy budy between India and China.
Let me repeat what you typed here earlier..."India looks to the future for inspiration, not to the
past".....
You are now trying to tell us that as far as China is concerned you are still smarting in the past?
> Again , voice from Cloud
> No 9. In any case, you can't compare your problems with India-China
You mean our problems are much more simpler than a Chinese army occupying a part of India after
defeating the Indians.?
>
>
> >
> > Then why did Nehru move almost the entire Indian army into Tamil Nadu?
> >
> > May be he was INVITED as you say.....
>
> Nehru at no time moved Indian army into Tamilnadu to crush any separatist uprising because there
> was none. . Your Cloud No9 must be a cozy place where you don't have to check against reality,
> where you can pull facts from your Sinhalese brains instead of reality
I suggest that you read a bit more about your own history. It might help you a great deal.
Tamil Nadu is the firt Indian state to have seperatist Tendancies and they all went very quiet after
Nehru Moved the Indian army into the State.
>
>
> > > It was never an election agenda in
> > > the entire
> > > lifetime of Free india. You are misinformed on this score
> >
> > We know more about the activities of Indians, than the Indians themselves.
> >
> > You guys were shocked by that Commission about the Killing of Rajiv gandhi.
>
> Hello Resident of Cloud No9, who knows Eveything about India more than Indians, Indian were
> shocked by the killing of RG and not about the Commission
I suppose the Indian Newspapers were all wasting paper when they had the Commission report on their
front pages.
Does newspapers in your country often put stale news on the front pages?
It must be a pretty boring place.
>
>
> > The Tamils in Jaffna tell me that the worst Rapists and killers on planet earth and in the
> > Indian army. The LTTE even published a book and distributed it in Madras, soon after
> > exploding bombs in Madras.
>
> Probably, your Very Clever leaders helped LTTE to defray the costs of publication and
> distribution. Are you claiming that also?
Nope, You guys paid for that via the famous Indian Bank Scam in which the LTTE robbed you guys
blind, but the Indians being Indians, didn't have a clue.
See Indian Outlook magazine June 4 1997
>
>
> >
> >
> > > During 85-91, Sikh militancy it was
> > > the Sikh police of
> > > Punjab which crushed the sikh separatists, not the Indian army
> >
> > Who stromed the Amritsar Golden Temple?
>
> It was the Sikh General Ranjit Singh and his men
A General you say?
So you are now eating your own words, after saying that the Indian army has never been used against
Indians?
I told you?
This is why I mentioned that we have a literacy rate of over 90%.
>
>
> > > > > In
> > > > > Srilanka the sole raison d'etre for it's Defence forces is fighting it's own
> > > > > citizens.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes.yes, In Amrithsar, the Indian army was not fighting its own citizens....they were
> > > > all Pakistani agents eh?
> > > >
> > > > Pakistani's in Sikh Disguise, being shot at By the Indian Army at the Golden Temple?
> > > >
> > > > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> > > > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> > > >
> > According to your Tamil brain, the fact that the US and the UK trained and supplied the USSR
> > means that the US and the UK were bedding with the Communists and have given political
> > credibility to Communism.
>
> Your Sinhalese brain from Cloud No9 does not realise that USA and UK have given political
> credibity to Communism by a)allowing Commnist parties in their countries and b)recognizing
> Communist governments. This was much before they gave any help to USSR.
Let me get this right.
According to your Tamil brain, If you allow Communist parties in your countries and recognise
Communist countries, you give credibility to Communism.
So in Your Tamil brain, if your courts of law, allow murderers in their courts and they recognise
Murderers as such , then your Courts of law give credibility to Murderers?
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Thank You for enlightening us.
> My Tamil brain is more
> in tune with the facts of history than your brain can ever be. I suggest you live in real world
> and stop comparing your small country to USA, USSR, UK, India and China,
We can all see your intelligence in these matters. It is crystal clear. You are a Tamil and I expect
no more.
> Your civil war with
> Tamils bears no comparison to world wars. Stop deluding yourseves. Even if your country goes
> down the drain completely, world is not going to take notice of it.
>
You think It does about Tamil Nadu?
Do You think even the Hindi speakers will give a fart about Tamil Nadu?
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> >
> > Did a Sri lankan Tamil educate you. ?
>
> If you live Cloud No9 , anything is possible .
Yes, I believe that anything is possible. The word Impossible does not exist is adequet resources
are allocated, given time, anything is possible.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Unprincipled tactical alliances have made a mockery of your own stated
> > > political positions
> > > and diluted them
> >
> > Yes...yes...
> >
> > We know that Tactical alliances made between the Russians and the Americans during WWII have
> > made a mockery of their stated political positions of being against Communism and diluted
> > them. Americans are secret Communists eh?
> >
>
> If you stop comparing your country, whose sole battle experience putting down it's ow
> population, and absolutely no experience of fighting a single external enemy ,with super powers,
> you will get better sense of proportion and rationality in your outlook.
For your information, we have fought 3 super powers of their time, the Portuguese, the Dutch and the
British.
As for battle experiance in putting down our population, it is not any different to Indias.
India has spent more Time and resources countering internal seperatist groups than any external
enemies for the last 30 years.
In case you are not aware, the world has seen less that 5 external conflicts in the last two decades
and over 60 ethnic conflicts. Most are concentrated in India. No other country in the world has to
battle with so many ethnic seperatist groups than India.
In almost every Indian state there are various seperatist groups operating and our assessment is
that it will only get worse, with larger groups like the LTTE arming and training these smaller
groups.
>
>
> >
> > > In you
> > > books, smartness
> > > consists in fighting your own citizens for deacde after decade cutting
> > > each other's balls
> > > and stuffing each other's mouth.
> >
> > How long have you been fighting over Kashmir? On top of That Glazier?
> >
>
> From the Glazier India is fighting it's enemy troops, not it's own citizens, unlike Srilanka
> whose sole battles are with it's own citizens
he he he he he he he he he he he
You guys had the Whole of India. But you could not get on with the Muslims and they broke away as
Pakistan.
When you have failed miserably to hold your own country together, you think you can advise others?
Your maps for a very long time claimed the whole of kashmir as yours. But the fact is Pakistan
controls half of kashmir now, althought you claim all of it as yours.
So, You guys are sitting on one side of kashmir, and shooting at the otherside of kashmir, which you
claim as yours and you tell me that you are firing at your enemies?
You mean your enemies are occupying half of your state of kashmir?
So let us clear the air here.
The Chinese army is occupying one part of India.
The Pakistani army is occupying another part of India ( Kashmir) which you claim to be yours in
totality.
And you think our problems are bigger than yours?
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Son,
We are a free peoples and slaves to none. We do not live in a country which has parts occupied by
others. We will find it shameful if others occupy our country and we do not have the GUTS to do
anything about it.
You must be living in shame, that you do not have the guts or the ability to defend the territorial
integrity of your own country.
>
>
> >
> > > Smartness consists in living in
> > > daydreams of having
> > > destabilised a foreign country without sending any troops outside their
> > > barracks ,
> >
> > Isn't that What Pakistan is doing at Present in the Kashmir?
>
> No. This is what Sinhalese like you ( I would not bracket all sinhalese with you) are
> daydreaming.
We are a free people and slaves to none. We are masters of our own country and no one occupies parts
of it.
>
>
> >
> > > without
> > > flying their planes outside their borders.and with the same foreign
> > > country keeping an
> > > army in your country. Smartness consists in supplying arms to your own
> > > sworn enemies.
> >
> > Absolutely, especially if it involves turning tables on those who armed and trained that
> > sworn Enemy.
> >
> > >
> > > Smartness consists in refusing to accept Ealam and then supplying arms
> > > to LTTE
> >
> > We supply arms to the LTTE.
> >
> > The LTTE and the IPKF kill each other and we watch from the sidelines.
> >
> > Our sworn enemy and his master who trained and armed them killing each other and we watching
> > from the sidelines and you think we are not smart?
> >
> > he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he h he he
> > he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he h ehe
> >
> > > and making
> > > alliance with other Eelam parties like TELO, EPRLF, EDPF.
> >
> > We will have alliances even with the devil, in order to defeat our enemies.
>
> You have made so many alliances with the devil ,switching so rapidly that you don't know who is
> a devil or who is not. Do you think TELO, EPRLF or EDPF are going to help you to wipe out LTTE
> completely?
They have no option. The LTTE have all but wiped them out, assassinating one after another. There
very survival depends on wiping out the LTTE and the security provided by the Sri Lankan state.
> No, they know they are useful to the govt as long as LTTE is there fighting and if
> LTTE is wiped out completely, they will be next in the hit list of SL govt. Hence they won't be
> too keen on wiping out LTTE.
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
Your Tamil brains are showing.
It is the LTTE which has wiped out all the other Tamil groups. Not a single Tamil Politician has
been killed by Sri Lankan forces in the entire history of the conflict.
You are an ignorent fool just like the others.
> There are so many devils in SL that SL govt is stuck with eelam
> parties for a long time. What a circus.
We like to make the Tamils go in circles.
>
>
> >
> >
> > > Srilanka is
> > > the rare instance in
> > > the world which armed it's own separatists.
> >
> > India is a rare instance in the world which armed and trained a foreign Terrorist group
>
> It is not a rare instance for a country to arm and train a forign terrorist group.It is the
> usual thing for a govt to do.
In that case Pakistan is behaving quite normally in Kashmir. I don't see what the fuss is about.
> Only SL armed it's own separatists. Of course , ordinary logic
> and facts are life are beyond the comprehension of the Resident of Cloud No9
he he he he he he he he he he
We find it very logical to arm and train Sri Lankan seperatists, and sit back and watch the
Seperatists and their Indian masters who had trained and controlled them in the first place, kill
each other.
These were the people who had attacked our most sacred religious site, The Sri maha Bodhi in
Anuradhapura, mowing down hundreds of civilians and Buddhist monks to bring about political pressure
on the JR government.
It fitted in nicely with our foreign policy objectives.
Until that point, India had always intervened on the side of the Tamils. Tamils and India together
was a formidable enemy for us to face.
Tamils and India had forced a package down our throats which had no support from either party and
then more or less forced the IPKF upon us.
That Inviting bit was a nice excuse.
By arming the LTTE against the Indians, we drove a wedge between the Indians and the Tamils for the
first time this century.
The Blowing up of rajiv gandhi by the LTTE was a bonus which ensured that India would NEVER side
with the Tamils again.
It also ensured that India rapidly withdrew out of Sri lanka, with its hands bunt, NEVER to return
again.
You see my friend, in life, the greatest impact is the "Threat of the use of force" and not the "use
of force" itself.
For most of this century the Sinhalese were freightened of India, its size and its power. This FEAR
gave the Tamils great LEVERAGE against the Colombo government and the Sinhalese...The fear that
India will intervene on the side of the Tamils.
I grew up in Colombo with this fear very present in our discussions about policy.
Once the IPKF landed that fear and the greatest LEVERAGE that the Tamils had was GONE.
It was like playing a card. Once you play it, its water under the bridge.
Seeing the shambles of a 100,000 Indian army in Sri Lanka struggling to control just two of our
provinces, the Sinhalese quickly realised that there is fuck all India can do in Sri Lanka.
If India needed 100,000 troops and all its power to control Sri Lanka's 2 poorest provinces, it was
quite clear to us, that if India ever tried to invade us and tried to control all our 9 provinces
including the Highlands, we will not only run circles around the Indians, especially with both
Pakistan and China, our good friends helping us, we will tie down the entire Indian army in Sri
Lanka in murderous gurella warfare.
Then Pakistan could just walk in and take the rest of kashmir and Punjab as well. China could have
the whole of east India and have a port in the Indian Ocean.
I think India also realised this.
Faced with rapid de-stabilisation on its southern flank, India not only withdrew out of Sri lanka,
it also revised its policy towards Sri lanka OVERNIGHT, before any further damage could be done to
Indo-Sri Lanka relations.
We are now as a people and a country, VERY HAPPY with the status quo, MUCH happier that we were in
the past. We no longer even consider the fear of Indian invasion. We have no fear on that issue and
are quite confident we can deal with the situation to our complete satisfaction.
And all this shift in Policy was possible, because a poor lowcaste Sinhalese called Ranasinghe
Premadasa became President and decided that he is not going to take any more crap from the Indians
and ordered the Sri Lankan army to arm and train the LTTE against the Indians.
I never knew this man. I am from the highest Sinhalese caste, so I have no favouratism towards him.
Many in my caste disliked the man. But I quietly admire and respect him, for he had GUTS to deal
with India, in a manner that no one else would have dared to and Sri Lanka and the Sinhalese will
reap the benefits of his policy decisions, for many years to come.
He had many faults. But In my opinion he faced the greatest challenge any one of our Leaders have
ever faced.
When He became President, his writ only went as far as the walls of his office.
(1)Two of our Provinces were occupied by a foreign army.
(2)The Other 7 provinces were ungovernable because of the rebellious JVP which got all its support
from the Sinhalese because they hated the presence of Indian troops in our country. ( I don't think
Indians are aware of this fact. Indians think we invited them and loved them. Perhaps they had
forgotten that incident in Colombo when a navel rating hitting rajiv gandhi with his rifle butt.)
(3)Indian foreign policy was one of forcing itself upon us, bullying us, interfering in our internal
dispute, training, arming and funding Tamil murderers and India acting big brother and telling us
how and what to do.
Within his short term in office, and before his death, he got the Indians out, Crushed the JVP
rebellion and made the Indians beat a hasty retreat with its foreign Policy objectives to return
with a more acceptable, hands off policy.
The Gujaral doctorine, should perhaps be renamed, "the result of the Premadasa right hand"
No other leader in our country faced all these problems at the same time and it needed a special man
to take the bull by the horns and deal with it.
Umberto Gui
jayas...@my-dejanews.com
Lanka <lan...@bibisp.com> wrote:
> lacorti wrote:
> >
> > You have been brainwashed beyond redemption. Just a couple of
> > corrections for what its worth.
> >
> > The wealth of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia derives entirely from oil and
> > other natural resources. Without those resouces these would be much
> > poorer countries.
> >
> > The Sinhalese arrived from North India. The numbers that you rely on are
> > not accurate. Nobody knows exactly the magnitude of migrations that took
> > place more than 2000 years ago.
> >
> > The Sinhalese would have killed many veddas, and also absorbed some, and
> > in the process destroyed their culture. Nonetheless, Sinhalese culture
> > is a North Indian culture.
> >
> > To claim that the homeland of the Tamils is exclusively Tamil Nadu is to
> > claim that the homeland of the Sinhalese is North India.
> >
>
> Do you think they are veddhas?
>
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pallavan
They hang around cinema theatres and shout Valga and Veelga whenever
somebody come to power!
Why the Tamil nadu tamils cannot find a good living in their own
country? They leave their country in search of food and self claimed
slaves and coolies of many Masters.
rana...@my-dejanews.com
lac...@alphalink.com.au wrote:
> You have spoken absolute rubbish. If the Tamils had greater influence in
> the civil administration during the colonial period it is because they
> were more hard working and disciplined than the Sinhalese. Since
> independence the Sinhalese have gained the upper hand, but only by
> discriminating against the Tamils.
>
Oh boy! Another Tamil Rocket Scientist!
So it must be this same discipine and hardwork that has driven thousands of
TAMILS to pump gas as Esso and Petro Canada in Scarborough! Trust me I've
seen it with my own eyes.
Think sakillie...the British operated on the divide and rule policy. And one
of the main precepts of this policy was to give as much power to the
minorities of a conquered nation as possible! This was apparent in all there
conquests, from Tribal Africa to the Middle East! For some reason you
sakillies have mistook this favourtism for intelligence!
> Tamil numbers in Sri Lanka may be diminishing, but that's only because
> the Sri Lankan government is either killing them, starving them, or
> forcing them to leave. The fact that they are a minority does not
> matter, they are still entitled to independence, just like the Kosovars,
> who are also a minority in Yugoslavia.
>
If the Sri Lankan government is responsible of this mass exodus or this pogram
you claim why didn't the tamils flock out of Jaffna before the mid 80's????
Its because of the LTTE and their ludicrous demands!!!! If it was the
government you bastards would have all been burnt at the stake in 1948!!!!!!
RANA VIRU
---------------------
HELA JATHIKA ABIMANNE!
Umberto Gui
> Umberto Gui wrote:>
> > What is India doing about her defeat to China?
>
> India looks to the future for inspiration, not to the past for grieveces or 'who came
here
> first' game like you Sinhalese do.We simply take old defeats in our stride and
concetrate on the
> future
Then why are you still bickering with Pakistan.
Look at that Cricket match all that digging up and what a fiasco.
>
>
> > The fact That Mrs Gandhi funded The Sikh Monk Bhrindhawale will be interpreted
by you as
> > India tacitly acknowledging Kahlistan.?
>
> Mrs G did not fund Bhindrenwala. Even at the time, when they were on good terms,
Bhindrenwala
> was not propogating Khalistan
He changed his mind, did he?
>
>
> >
> >
> > The fact that the US funded Saddam against Iran in the past will be interpreted by
you as
> > the US tacitly acknowledging mad saddam?
>
> USA had always acknowledged Iraq and Saddam regime. Till Gulf war, USA had the
usual emabassy.
He changed his mind as well, huh?
>
>
> Your grasp of facts or international politics is quite tenuous. States recognise only
other
> States.
In that case there is no question of the Sri lankan State recognising Eelam as you suggested
earlier.
> Particular governments or regime is never a factor in recognition or the absense of it.
> Your thinking "US tacitly acknowledging mad saddam" is unheard of and absolutely
meanigless in
> International relations. Governments all over the world have recognised Iraq State.
US may be
> friendly or hostile to Iraq under Saddam , but "acknowledgemt" is completely
meaningless. Of
> course, these are beyond your Sinhalese brain for whom Mahavamsa is the source of
wisdom and
> there was somebody called "kautilya Arthashashtri."
You don;t know him do you?
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>
>
> >
> > What ever you say......
> >
> > You are no different to the Tamils of Sri Lanka in your outlook and thinking.
> >
> > > Presumably another
> > > Eelam group LTTE ,
> > > at some point got military help from Srilankan govt. If Elam is such a
> > > non-existant thing
> > > unacceptable to Sinhalese, why are your govt in cahoots with groups
> > > calling themselves
> > > Eelam?
> >
> > We learn our lessons from the great Indian, kautilya Arthashashtri.
> >
> >
> > Have your school ever taught you of a saying....My friends Enemy is my friend?
> >
>
> It is obvious you are talking out of your hat. There was nobody called
"Arthashashtri.". I bet
> you have not seen Arthasastra from 10 miles. If you sincerely consider it's authour
great, you
> would have at least given a capital letter to a proper name. It looks like you consider
> Arthashashtri. as his name and "kautilya" as his title. When will your Sinhalese brain
ever
> learn that Kaitilya is the proper name and the name of the book is Arthashashtra.
'Shastri'
> ending makes it a meaningless word.
Good. Now you understand the game we are playing with the PLOT, EPDP etc....I am pleased
for you.
>
>
> >
> > These things are too advanced for Tamils......
> >
>
> You Sinhalese don't have elementary knowledge of Sanskrit literature and you are
talking about
> Tamils. Of course, one can expect Sinhalese smart guys to float in Cloud No9 without
knowing
> anything
Is there a cloud 8?
>
>
> >
> > > Nice one, after cutting each other's balls and stuffing each
> > > other's mouth- which
> > > is a classic Sinhalese way of doing things according to you,- it is all
> > > buddy-buddy
> >
> > Yep. Just like India and China. After blowing each other up, now its buddy buddy.
>
> In case you don't know, it is not buddy budy between India and China.
Let me repeat what you typed here earlier..."India looks to the future for inspiration, not to the
past".....
You are now trying to tell us that as far as China is concerned you are still smarting in the past?
> Again , voice from Cloud
> No 9. In any case, you can't compare your problems with India-China
You mean our problems are much more simpler than a Chinese army occupying a part of India
after
defeating the Indians.?
>
>
> >
> > Then why did Nehru move almost the entire Indian army into Tamil Nadu?
> >
> > May be he was INVITED as you say.....
>
> Nehru at no time moved Indian army into Tamilnadu to crush any separatist uprising
because there
> was none. . Your Cloud No9 must be a cozy place where you don't have to check
against reality,
> where you can pull facts from your Sinhalese brains instead of reality
I suggest that you read a bit more about your own history. It might help you a great deal.
Tamil Nadu is the firt Indian state to have seperatist Tendancies and they all went very quiet
after
Nehru Moved the Indian army into the State.
>
>
> > > It was never an election agenda in
> > > the entire
> > > lifetime of Free india. You are misinformed on this score
> >
> > We know more about the activities of Indians, than the Indians themselves.
> >
> > You guys were shocked by that Commission about the Killing of Rajiv gandhi.
>
> Hello Resident of Cloud No9, who knows Eveything about India more than Indians,
Indian were
> shocked by the killing of RG and not about the Commission
I suppose the Indian Newspapers were all wasting paper when they had the Commission report
on their
front pages.
Does newspapers in your country often put stale news on the front pages?
It must be a pretty boring place.
>
>
> > The Tamils in Jaffna tell me that the worst Rapists and killers on planet earth and in
the
> > Indian army. The LTTE even published a book and distributed it in Madras, soon
after
> > exploding bombs in Madras.
>
> Probably, your Very Clever leaders helped LTTE to defray the costs of publication and
> distribution. Are you claiming that also?
Nope, You guys paid for that via the famous Indian Bank Scam in which the LTTE robbed you
guys
blind, but the Indians being Indians, didn't have a clue.
See Indian Outlook magazine June 4 1997
>
>
> >
> >
> > > During 85-91, Sikh militancy it was
> > > the Sikh police of
> > > Punjab which crushed the sikh separatists, not the Indian army
> >
> > Who stromed the Amritsar Golden Temple?
>
> It was the Sikh General Ranjit Singh and his men
A General you say?
So you are now eating your own words, after saying that the Indian army has never been used
against
Indians?
I told you?
This is why I mentioned that we have a literacy rate of over 90%.
>
>
> > > > > In
> > > > > Srilanka the sole raison d'etre for it's Defence forces is fighting it's own
> > > > > citizens.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes.yes, In Amrithsar, the Indian army was not fighting its own citizens....they
were
> > > > all Pakistani agents eh?
> > > >
> > > > Pakistani's in Sikh Disguise, being shot at By the Indian Army at the Golden
Temple?
> > > >
> > > > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha
> > > > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> > > >
> > According to your Tamil brain, the fact that the US and the UK trained and supplied
the USSR
> > means that the US and the UK were bedding with the Communists and have given
political
> > credibility to Communism.
>
> Your Sinhalese brain from Cloud No9 does not realise that USA and UK have given
political
> credibity to Communism by a)allowing Commnist parties in their countries and
b)recognizing
> Communist governments. This was much before they gave any help to USSR.
Let me get this right.
According to your Tamil brain, If you allow Communist parties in your countries and recognise
Communist countries, you give credibility to Communism.
So in Your Tamil brain, if your courts of law, allow murderers in their courts and they recognise
Murderers as such , then your Courts of law give credibility to Murderers?
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Thank You for enlightening us.
> My Tamil brain is more
> in tune with the facts of history than your brain can ever be. I suggest you live in real
world
> and stop comparing your small country to USA, USSR, UK, India and China,
We can all see your intelligence in these matters. It is crystal clear. You are a Tamil and I expect
no more.
> Your civil war with
> Tamils bears no comparison to world wars. Stop deluding yourseves. Even if your
country goes
> down the drain completely, world is not going to take notice of it.
>
You think It does about Tamil Nadu?
Do You think even the Hindi speakers will give a fart about Tamil Nadu?
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> >
> > Did a Sri lankan Tamil educate you. ?
>
> If you live Cloud No9 , anything is possible .
Yes, I believe that anything is possible. The word Impossible does not exist is adequet
resources
are allocated, given time, anything is possible.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Unprincipled tactical alliances have made a mockery of your own stated
> > > political positions
> > > and diluted them
> >
> > Yes...yes...
> >
> > We know that Tactical alliances made between the Russians and the Americans
during WWII have
> > made a mockery of their stated political positions of being against Communism and
diluted
> > them. Americans are secret Communists eh?
> >
>
> If you stop comparing your country, whose sole battle experience putting down it's ow
> population, and absolutely no experience of fighting a single external enemy ,with
super powers,
> you will get better sense of proportion and rationality in your outlook.
For your information, we have fought 3 super powers of their time, the Portuguese, the Dutch
and the
British.
As for battle experiance in putting down our population, it is not any different to Indias.
India has spent more Time and resources countering internal seperatist groups than any external
enemies for the last 30 years.
In case you are not aware, the world has seen less that 5 external conflicts in the last two
decades
and over 60 ethnic conflicts. Most are concentrated in India. No other country in the world has
to
battle with so many ethnic seperatist groups than India.
In almost every Indian state there are various seperatist groups operating and our assessment is
that it will only get worse, with larger groups like the LTTE arming and training these smaller
groups.
>
>
> >
> > > In you
> > > books, smartness
> > > consists in fighting your own citizens for deacde after decade cutting
> > > each other's balls
> > > and stuffing each other's mouth.
> >
> > How long have you been fighting over Kashmir? On top of That Glazier?
> >
>
> From the Glazier India is fighting it's enemy troops, not it's own citizens, unlike
Srilanka
> whose sole battles are with it's own citizens
he he he he he he he he he he he
You guys had the Whole of India. But you could not get on with the Muslims and they broke
away as
Pakistan.
When you have failed miserably to hold your own country together, you think you can advise
others?
Your maps for a very long time claimed the whole of kashmir as yours. But the fact is Pakistan
controls half of kashmir now, althought you claim all of it as yours.
So, You guys are sitting on one side of kashmir, and shooting at the otherside of kashmir, which
you
claim as yours and you tell me that you are firing at your enemies?
You mean your enemies are occupying half of your state of kashmir?
So let us clear the air here.
The Chinese army is occupying one part of India.
The Pakistani army is occupying another part of India ( Kashmir) which you claim to be yours in
totality.
And you think our problems are bigger than yours?
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Son,
We are a free peoples and slaves to none. We do not live in a country which has parts
occupied by
others. We will find it shameful if others occupy our country and we do not have the GUTS to
do
anything about it.
You must be living in shame, that you do not have the guts or the ability to defend the territorial
integrity of your own country.
>
>
> >
> > > Smartness consists in living in
> > > daydreams of having
> > > destabilised a foreign country without sending any troops outside their
> > > barracks ,
> >
> > Isn't that What Pakistan is doing at Present in the Kashmir?
>
> No. This is what Sinhalese like you ( I would not bracket all sinhalese with you) are
> daydreaming.
We are a free people and slaves to none. We are masters of our own country and no one
occupies parts
of it.
>
>
> >
They have no option. The LTTE have all but wiped them out, assassinating one after another.
There
very survival depends on wiping out the LTTE and the security provided by the Sri Lankan
state.
> No, they know they are useful to the govt as long as LTTE is there fighting and if
> LTTE is wiped out completely, they will be next in the hit list of SL govt. Hence they
won't be
> too keen on wiping out LTTE.
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
Your Tamil brains are showing.
It is the LTTE which has wiped out all the other Tamil groups. Not a single Tamil Politician has
been killed by Sri Lankan forces in the entire history of the conflict.
You are an ignorent fool just like the others.
> There are so many devils in SL that SL govt is stuck with eelam
> parties for a long time. What a circus.
We like to make the Tamils go in circles.
>
>
> >
> >
> > > Srilanka is
> > > the rare instance in
> > > the world which armed it's own separatists.
> >
> > India is a rare instance in the world which armed and trained a foreign Terrorist
group
>
> It is not a rare instance for a country to arm and train a forign terrorist group.It is the
> usual thing for a govt to do.
In that case Pakistan is behaving quite normally in Kashmir. I don't see what the fuss is about.
> Only SL armed it's own separatists. Of course , ordinary logic
> and facts are life are beyond the comprehension of the Resident of Cloud No9
he he he he he he he he he he
We find it very logical to arm and train Sri Lankan seperatists, and sit back and watch the
of force" itself.
and ordered the Sri Lankan army to arm and train the LTTE against the Indians.
Umberto Gui
lacorti
work on the plantations, but the Tamils in the North arrived in ancient
times. It is not known exactly when because the history of that period
is very scant.
In any case they have been there long enough to legitimize their claims
for independence and ownership, just like the Albanians are doing in
Kosovo, and the Kurds in Turkey.
Just because another group on the island is larger numerically than
them, does not mean that they should be ruled by that group. If that
were the logic than many nations in the world would not exist.
The mistake was done by the British in not dividing Sri Lanka at
independence, and the arrogance of the Sinhalese has prevented a
peaceful split. We can observe Cecoslovakia where two very similar
communities were able to split democratically. The same happened with
the dis-integration of the Soviet Union, but of course communism had to
fall first.
In some places like the former Yugoslavia conflict did occur.
The violence in Sri Lanka will continue forever unless the Sinhalese
recognize the principle of self-determination for the Tamils. After-all
they also arrived in Sri Lanka from abroad, and if anybody can claim
real ownership of the island it is the Veddhas.
Regards
Lanka wrote:
>
> lacorti wrote:
> >
> > You have been brainwashed beyond redemption. Just a couple of
> > corrections for what its worth.
> >
> > The wealth of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia derives entirely from oil and
> > other natural resources. Without those resouces these would be much
> > poorer countries.
> >
> > The Sinhalese arrived from North India. The numbers that you rely on are
> > not accurate. Nobody knows exactly the magnitude of migrations that took
> > place more than 2000 years ago.
> >
> > The Sinhalese would have killed many veddas, and also absorbed some, and
> > in the process destroyed their culture. Nonetheless, Sinhalese culture
> > is a North Indian culture.
> >
> > To claim that the homeland of the Tamils is exclusively Tamil Nadu is to
> > claim that the homeland of the Sinhalese is North India.
> >
>
lacorti
>There are no Sinhalese in North India.
>Sinhalese language is not spoken in North India.
Similar languages are spoken.
>The Sinhala identity is unique to Sri Lanka, for they are the Bumiputras >of Sri Lanka and it has absorbed many Tamils as well.
The Sinhalese are not the bumiputras of Sri Lanka. You know that very
well. The real owners of Sri Lanka, as you like to talk in terms of
ownership, are the Veddhas - and you stole their land and destroyed
their culture.
They were there before both the Sinhalese and the Tamils, but the subjct
of the Veddhas is one that embarasses you, for obvious reasons.
>
> lacorti wrote:
>
> > You have been brainwashed beyond redemption. Just a couple of
> > corrections for what its worth.
>
> More shovelling?
>
> >
> >
> > The wealth of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia derives entirely from oil and
> > other natural resources. Without those resouces these would be much
> > poorer countries.
>
> In case you are not aware, this applies to all countries on planet earth. Even India
> will be begging if it was not for Oil and Steel.
>
> >
> >
> > The Sinhalese arrived from North India. The numbers that you rely on are
> > not accurate.
>
> We can only go by the little information we have.
>
> > Nobody knows exactly the magnitude of migrations that took
> > place more than 2000 years ago.
> >
> > The Sinhalese would have killed many veddas, and also absorbed some, and
> > in the process destroyed their culture. Nonetheless, Sinhalese culture
> > is a North Indian culture.
> >
> > To claim that the homeland of the Tamils is exclusively Tamil Nadu is to
> > claim that the homeland of the Sinhalese is North India.
> >
>
> he he he he he he he he
>
lacorti
> So it must be this same discipine and hardwork that has driven thousands of
> TAMILS to pump gas as Esso and Petro Canada in Scarborough! Trust me I've
> seen it with my own eyes.
As an immigrant you do the job you find, just like Sinhalese immigrants
do.
>
> Think sakillie...the British operated on the divide and rule policy. And one
> of the main precepts of this policy was to give as much power to the
> minorities of a conquered nation as possible! This was apparent in all there
> conquests, from Tribal Africa to the Middle East! Fce!
This may be so
> > Tamil numbers in Sri Lanka may be diminishing, but that's only because
> > the Sri Lankan government is either killing them, starving them, or
> > forcing them to leave. The fact that they are a minority does not
> > matter, they are still entitled to independence, just like the Kosovars,
> > who are also a minority in Yugoslavia.
> >
>
> If the Sri Lankan government is responsible of this mass exodus or this pogram
> you claim why didn't the tamils flock out of Jaffna before the mid 80's????
>
> Its because of the LTTE and their ludicrous demands!!!! If it was the
> government you bastards would have all been burnt at the stake in 1948!!!!!!
Self determination is not a ludicrous demand. You demanded your
independence from the UK, but you have denied us ours. What happened in
1948 for us was one colonial power replacing another.
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
>
> > Umberto Gui wrote:>
> > > What is India doing about her defeat to China?
> >
> > India looks to the future for inspiration, not to the past for grieveces or 'who came
> here
> > first' game like you Sinhalese do.We simply take old defeats in our stride and
> concetrate on the
> > future
>
> Then why are you still bickering with Pakistan.
As I said, it is Pakistan which is bickering for it's defeats not the
other way round.
>
> > > The fact That Mrs Gandhi funded The Sikh Monk Bhrindhawale will be interpreted
> by you as
> > > India tacitly acknowledging Kahlistan.?
> >
> > Mrs G did not fund Bhindrenwala. Even at the time, when they were on good terms,
> Bhindrenwala
> > was not propogating Khalistan
>
> He changed his mind, did he?
Yes, he did. He bacame crazy only in the last 3 years of his life when
he began to send death squads.
Forget about what happens in India which is too big and complex for you
to comprehend. You concentrate
on yr country
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > The fact that the US funded Saddam against Iran in the past will be interpreted by
> you as
> > > the US tacitly acknowledging mad saddam?
> >
> > USA had always acknowledged Iraq and Saddam regime. Till Gulf war, USA had the
> usual emabassy.
>
> He changed his mind as well, huh?
There is nothing to change anybody's mind. The governments may be
frendly at one time and hostile at
another, but your words "Amerca acknowledging Saddam" is meaning less.
After all Iraq has a UN seat and
Saddam sends his foreign minister to New York.
>
>
> >
> >
> > Your grasp of facts or international politics is quite tenuous. States recognise only
> other
> > States.
>
> In that case there is no question of the Sri lankan State recognising Eelam as you suggested
> earlier.
>
When did I say Srilankan state recognise Eelam state which does not
exist anyway? You are misreading
what I wrote. I said Eelam is a political issue in SL .
You are talking like a fool. Just because India is not buddy with China
does not mean it is smarting
from the past. Don't think you are buddy with anyone with whom you did
not have bad dealings in the
past. India is not buddy with Burma also, it does not mean it is smating
from past dealings with Burma.
Of course how can a Sinhalese smart guy neandarthal comprehend shades of
meaning or shades of
relationship when he can get buddy with someone with whom he is only
cutting balls and stuffing in the
mouth.
>
> > > > >
> > > According to your Tamil brain, the fact that the US and the UK trained and supplied
> the USSR
> > > means that the US and the UK were bedding with the Communists and have given
> political
> > > credibility to Communism.
> >
> > Your Sinhalese brain from Cloud No9 does not realise that USA and UK have given
> political
> > credibity to Communism by a)allowing Commnist parties in their countries and
> b)recognizing
> > Communist governments. This was much before they gave any help to USSR.
>
> Let me get this right.
>
> According to your Tamil brain, If you allow Communist parties in your countries and recognise
> Communist countries, you give credibility to Communism.
Your sinhalese brain does not understand that anybody who is allowed to
contest in an election is a
legal party. How much credibilty they have with the people is determined
by the election results. This
simple logic is beyond the Sinhalese brain, I admit..
>
> So in Your Tamil brain, if your courts of law, allow murderers in their courts and they recognise
> Murderers as such , then your Courts of law give credibility to Murderers?
>
Ordinary words of meanings escape Sinhalese neanderthal brain. The whole
idea of court is to determine
illegan activities and persons. Contesting elections are not considered
illegal activities according to
any country's legal system. Only neanderthal would equate election
candidates with murderers.
>
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha
> ha ha hha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> ha
> ha ha
Neandarthal brain can't contain mad laughter over nothing.
Umberto Gui
"V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
> Umberto Gui wrote:
>
> > "V.C.Vijayaraghavan" wrote:
> >
> > > Umberto Gui wrote:>
> > > > What is India doing about her defeat to China?
> > >
> > > India looks to the future for inspiration, not to the past for grieveces or 'who came
> > here
> > > first' game like you Sinhalese do.We simply take old defeats in our stride and
> > concetrate on the
> > > future
> >
> > Then why are you still bickering with Pakistan.
>
> As I said, it is Pakistan which is bickering for it's defeats not the
> other way round.
The World did not see any Pakistani's digging up cricket pitches in India. Indians are looking back and
bickering and behaving like old women.
>
>
> >
> > > > The fact That Mrs Gandhi funded The Sikh Monk Bhrindhawale will be interpreted
> > by you as
> > > > India tacitly acknowledging Kahlistan.?
> > >
> > > Mrs G did not fund Bhindrenwala. Even at the time, when they were on good terms,
> > Bhindrenwala
> > > was not propogating Khalistan
> >
> > He changed his mind, did he?
>
> Yes, he did. He bacame crazy only in the last 3 years of his life when
> he began to send death squads.
>
> Forget about what happens in India which is too big and complex for you
> to comprehend. You concentrate
> on yr country
Well, You guys have solutions for our problems and we have solutions for your problems.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The fact that the US funded Saddam against Iran in the past will be interpreted by
> > you as
> > > > the US tacitly acknowledging mad saddam?
> > >
> > > USA had always acknowledged Iraq and Saddam regime. Till Gulf war, USA had the
> > usual emabassy.
> >
> > He changed his mind as well, huh?
>
> There is nothing to change anybody's mind. The governments may be
> frendly at one time and hostile at
> another, but your words "Amerca acknowledging Saddam" is meaning less.
> After all Iraq has a UN seat and
> Saddam sends his foreign minister to New York.
Well, you are the one who said that by being on the same side with the EPDP, PLOT etc, we are tacitly
acknowledging Eelam.
My point is, the Americans can go to bed with the Soviets, and yet not acknowledge Communism.
>
>
> >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your grasp of facts or international politics is quite tenuous. States recognise only
> > other
> > > States.
> >
> > In that case there is no question of the Sri lankan State recognising Eelam as you suggested
> > earlier.
> >
>
> When did I say Srilankan state recognise Eelam state which does not
> exist anyway? You are misreading
> what I wrote. I said Eelam is a political issue in SL .
>
Just like Kahlistan and Kashmir are political issues in India?
>
> >
> > You are now trying to tell us that as far as China is concerned you are still smarting in the past?
>
> You are talking like a fool. Just because India is not buddy with China
> does not mean it is smarting
> from the past.
So, Indians have a habit of not being buddy buddy with Neighbours, for no apparent reason?
The past does not come into it, eh?
You guys just think...."Us Indians simply do not want to be buddy buddy with all our big neighbours, just
for no reason."
> Don't think you are buddy with anyone with whom you did
> not have bad dealings in the
> past. India is not buddy with Burma also, it does not mean it is smating
> from past dealings with Burma.
No?
Didn't the Burmese Chase out all their Hindu's back into India?
This obviously have no bearing on Indian policy. You have just decided that you will not be Buddy Buddy
with your neighbours to your East, West and North, just for no reason, eh?
Are you a total Idiot, or do you think we are fools?
> Of course how can a Sinhalese smart guy neandarthal comprehend shades of
> meaning or shades of
> relationship when he can get buddy with someone with whom he is only
> cutting balls and stuffing in the
> mouth.
You know what they say?
Life is a bitch and then you die.
>
>
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > According to your Tamil brain, the fact that the US and the UK trained and supplied
> > the USSR
> > > > means that the US and the UK were bedding with the Communists and have given
> > political
> > > > credibility to Communism.
> > >
> > > Your Sinhalese brain from Cloud No9 does not realise that USA and UK have given
> > political
> > > credibity to Communism by a)allowing Commnist parties in their countries and
> > b)recognizing
> > > Communist governments. This was much before they gave any help to USSR.
> >
> > Let me get this right.
> >
> > According to your Tamil brain, If you allow Communist parties in your countries and recognise
> > Communist countries, you give credibility to Communism.
>
> Your sinhalese brain does not understand that anybody who is allowed to
> contest in an election is a
> legal party. How much credibilty they have with the people is determined
> by the election results. This
> simple logic is beyond the Sinhalese brain, I admit..
>
he he he he he he he he he he he hehe he he he he he he he he he h ehe he he he he he he he
I think you need to re-establish the frequency.
WE were talking about your accusation that Sri lanka has tacitly recognised Eelam by working with groups
like EPDP, PLOT etc..
>
>
> >
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> > ha
> > ha ha hha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> > ha
> > ha ha
>
> Neandarthal brain can't contain mad laughter over nothing.
What can you expect from a Tamil living in shame in a country which is part occupied by a Chinese army
and another part occupied by a Pakistani army and its people are today running around burning christians
and bibles?
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> Umberto Gui wrote:
>
> >There are no Sinhalese in North India.
> >Sinhalese language is not spoken in North India.
>
> Similar languages are spoken.
Yes...Yes..English is also a similar language originating from Sanskrit.
>
>
> >The Sinhala identity is unique to Sri Lanka, for they are the Bumiputras >of Sri Lanka and it has absorbed many Tamils as well.
>
> The Sinhalese are not the bumiputras of Sri Lanka. You know that very
> well. The real owners of Sri Lanka, as you like to talk in terms of
> ownership, are the Veddhas - and you stole their land and destroyed
> their culture.
>
> They were there before both the Sinhalese and the Tamils, but the subjct
> of the Veddhas is one that embarasses you, for obvious reasons.
Here we go again. These Tamils have no brains.
Moron!
Vijaya arrived with 700 in 548 BC.
In 200BC Dutugemunu was fighting wars and building Ruwanwelisaya.
It is not physically possible for the decendants of 700 to do all this in 348 years...( 548BC - 200BC)
The Word Sinhalese was first a single clan, among many.
This is the clan which succeeded in establishing a centralised State in Sri Lanka.
Therefore the meaning of the word Sinhalas changed from being one of a single clan, to become the name of the Royal House of
Anuradhapura. So we hear of Cholas in South India and Sinhalas in Sri lanka.
At this stage the word Chola and Sinhala did not signify a race but a Royal house. Ethnicity and Race played no part in day to day
life. What mattered was the Royal Houses that ruled. Alliegancies of citizens was not to race or ethnicity , but to the Royal House.
It was much later that the name of the Royal house, the Sinhalas, became the name of all the peoples of the country. For this
process to happen, all the clans had to be united under one identity. This was achieved with the introduction of Buddhism to Sri
Lanka, the whole country from Point Pedro to Dondra Head became Sinhaladwipa, Serendiba, Serendib, as the Sinhala Buddhist Identity
Emerged.
So the Sinhalese as we know them today, are the decendants of ALL the various clans that lived in Sri Lanka, including the Vaddhas.
There are no REAL vaddhas alive today. What you have are Tourist vaddhas. Tests have shown that the Vaddhas are of Sinhalese decent.
This is very clear when you look at a cross section of the Sinhalese population for they are fair, dark, wavy hair, straight hair,
etc...which clearly indicates that the Sinhalese are a union of many races.
When you refer to the Words..Sinhala, tamil, Vaddha etc...you must understand that Todays PERCEPTION of these words are NOT valid,
in the years gone by. Today, Ethnicity has emerged as being paramount and as such our interpretations and judgements are clouded by
these considerations.
I am sure you are also aware, that the Balangoda man who has been carbon dated to 28,000 years, has no links to the Vaddha. The
Vaddha is one of many Clans which lived in the Indian continent.
The Sinhalese is an identity which has emerged from the various clans of Sri lanka and as such they are unique to Sri Lanka in
language and race and are thus the Bumiputras.
The Tamils, are not unique to Sri lanka and are recent invaders and immigrants from Tamil Nadu.
There are No Hindu Bronzes or any evidence of significant Tamil settlements in Sri lanka, before the 9th Century........read your
own Tamil History prof....
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/umberto/indra.htm
This is 1500 years after the arrival of Vijaya and the crystalisation of the Sinhala identity in the island of Sinhaladwipa.
This is the same pattern which is found all over the world.
England is the Homeland of the English. The vaddha equivalent of England are the Celts.
That does not make England, the Homeland of the Celts today.
As Sri lanka is the Homeland of the Sinhalese, England is the Homeland of the English.
The Tamil equivalent of England are the Jews who have lived in England loger than the Tamils have in Sri Lanka.
Jews do not have Homeland rights in England as Tamils do not have Homeland rights in Sri Lanka.
This is a concept, which no country in the world, including the UN will NEVER violate.
Thats why the whole world is backing us.
If this concept is violated, then the Indians in England, will have a legitimate right to claim Indian Homelands in England.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> rana...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>
> > So it must be this same discipine and hardwork that has driven thousands of
> > TAMILS to pump gas as Esso and Petro Canada in Scarborough! Trust me I've
> > seen it with my own eyes.
>
> As an immigrant you do the job you find, just like Sinhalese immigrants
> do.
What?
You guys are comparing yourselves to The Sinhalese?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
I thought you guys were inteligent, hard working etc and we would have expected the
Sinhalese to do all the crap jobs and the Tamils to do all the executive Jobs.
But, it seems that in the UK and the US, a higher proportion of Sinhalese are doing
good jobs and Tamils are pumping petrol, boiling chickens and cooking Pizza.
What happened to your intelligence and how you do better than us in a level playing
field?
You fools cannot beat us in the battle field, in the Cricket field, athleti field or
the economic field.
The Sinhalese in the Middle east are sending home over 1 BILLION US$ every year,
more than the entire Defence budget.
The Tamils are sending home fuck all.
You are all a bunch of losers.
No wonder our economy took off after we burnt you guys out in 83.
Umberto Gui
Lanka
>
> In article <36E947...@bibisp.com>,
> Lanka <lan...@bibisp.com> wrote:
> > lacorti wrote:
> > >
> > > corrections for what its worth.
> > >
> > > The wealth of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia derives entirely from oil and
> > > other natural resources. Without those resouces these would be much
> > > poorer countries.
> > >
> > > The Sinhalese arrived from North India. The numbers that you rely on are
> > > not accurate. Nobody knows exactly the magnitude of migrations that took
> > > place more than 2000 years ago.
> > >
> > > The Sinhalese would have killed many veddas, and also absorbed some, and
> > > in the process destroyed their culture. Nonetheless, Sinhalese culture
> > > is a North Indian culture.
> > >
> > > To claim that the homeland of the Tamils is exclusively Tamil Nadu is to
> > > claim that the homeland of the Sinhalese is North India.
> > >
> >
> > Do you think they are veddhas?
> >
>
Must belong to very "bright" tribe I guess.
Lanka
amitabh...@my-dejanews.com
Umberto Gui <nm...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> There are no Sinhalese in North India.
> Sinhalese language is not spoken in North India.
>
> The Sinhala identity is unique to Sri Lanka, for they are the Bumiputras of
Sri Lanka
There are no Aafrikaners in The Netherlands or other parts of Europe.
Aafrikans language is not spoken in The Netherlands or other parts of Europe.
The Aafrikaner identity is unique to South Africa, and they consider
themselves the Bhumiputras of South Africa.
BUT...we all know that their genes, language, anc culture, ultimately derive
from 16th century Netherlands mixed with small numbers of other European
groups (some french blood, etc).
Whatever their distinctiveness may be, they are a derivative of European
culture, as it evolved under their particular circumstances and experiences.
Why are the Sinhalese not a northern Indian derivative as it evolved under Sri
Lanka's particular circumstances and experiences?
lacorti
entire world as you claim) has not been able to defeat the Tamil
guerillas for more than 15 years. Time and time again your government
has said that the Tamil freedom fighters were finished, and yet the war
is continuing as intense as ever.
Your army is corrupt and pathetic, and most Sinhalese acknowledge this.
If the Tamils had the same means as the Sri Lankan army - they would
have won the war years ago. Not even the Indian army was able to defeat
the LTTE.
As for your fellow Sinhalese in Australia all of those that I have met
are doing pizza delivery, or delivering papers, and junk mail. In any
case I don't look down on them because of that - at least they are doing
something.
lacorti
commonsense to assume that Tamil sailors and fisherman settled in the
island before the Sinhalese. Furthermore, considering the fact that Sri
Lanka was attached to Tamil Nadu makes it even more likely that
proto-Tamils were there earlier.
Umberto Gui:
There are No Hindu Bronzes or any evidence of significant Tamil
settlements in Sri lanka, before the 9th Century........read your
> own Tamil History prof....
Well even if I accept the above statement as accurate - the word
"significant" is important because it implies that Tamils were already
there before the 9th century. Furthermore, if they started to arrive in
earnest after the 9th century that still amounts to 1000 years.
Umberto Gui:
The Sinhalese is an identity which has emerged from the various clans of
Sri lanka and as such they are unique to Sri Lanka in
> language and race and are thus the Bumiputras.
The same process took place in the North and it was the Tamils who
absorbed other groups, and linguistic differences emerged from Indian
Tamil.
Plus, all these arguments about who arrived first don't mean anything.
You could make the same arguments about India as to who arrived first.
The difference in India is that they recognized diversity. They
decentralized power and created autonomous regions along ethnic lines,
and gave official status to minority languages. In Belgium and
Switzerland they did the same, and considerations about who came first
do not matter.
The arguments that you make are the same that Turkey has used to oppress
the Kurds and to destroy their culture. The Soviet Union and Yugoslavia
disintegrated along ethnic lines, and the same should happen in Sri
Lanka and in India.
Your arguments are simply arrogant, racist, power centred, unjust, and
invalid. Just because one ethnic group is superior in numbers to another
it does not give it the right to dominate the other and destroy its
culture.
If you want to broaded your historical knowlege about Sri Lanka, and
gain some impartial information about the early non veddha settlers - go
to this address:
Umberto Gui wrote:
>
> lacorti wrote:
>
> > Umberto Gui wrote:
> >
> > >There are no Sinhalese in North India.
> > >Sinhalese language is not spoken in North India.
> >
Umberto Gui
amitabh...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <36E93727...@dial.pipex.com>,
> Umberto Gui <nm...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > There are no Sinhalese in North India.
> > Sinhalese language is not spoken in North India.
> >
> > The Sinhala identity is unique to Sri Lanka, for they are the Bumiputras of
> Sri Lanka
>
> There are no Aafrikaners in The Netherlands or other parts of Europe.
> Aafrikans language is not spoken in The Netherlands or other parts of Europe.
> The Aafrikaner identity is unique to South Africa, and they consider
> themselves the Bhumiputras of South Africa.
>
> BUT...we all know that their genes, language, anc culture, ultimately derive
> from 16th century Netherlands mixed with small numbers of other European
> groups (some french blood, etc).
>
> Whatever their distinctiveness may be, they are a derivative of European
> culture, as it evolved under their particular circumstances and experiences.
>
> Why are the Sinhalese not a northern Indian derivative as it evolved under Sri
> Lanka's particular circumstances and experiences?
Hi,
I understand your line of thinking, but I think it is slightly out of date in
relation to Sri Lanka.
I agree that the commonly held belief is that the Sinhalese are of Aryan stock of
North India. There is also no dispute that the Sinhalese language is north Indian,
Sanskrit based, and so is their religion, Buddhism.
But, this is a very broad brushed statement and perception and not as simple as it
looks at first sight.
According to the Mahavamsa, the Founder of the "Sinhalese", Prince Vijaya arrived
in Sri Lanka around 548 BC with an army of 700, from North India and conqured the
natives of the island.
Society in Sri Lanka was tribal and clanish at the time and this helped Vijaya in
his conquest by setting one against another.
By 200BC, 348 Years later, Dutu Gemunu fought some 28 battles advancing North
along the Mahaveli River, defeated and expelled a Dravidian Invader and built the
Ruvanweli saya, a huge Buddhist Stupa, some mile or half a mile in diameter and
rivalling the Pyramid of Giza in height.
It is physically Impossible for the decendants of 700 to achieve all this in 348
years.
Therefore it is quite clear, that the Sinhalese, is an identity, which has
resulted from the unification and absorbtion of all the inhabitants of the Island,
who might very well have not been of North Indian origin.
It is quite clear, that if we are able to trace all the decendants of the 700 that
Vijaya came with, they would form a minority among the Sinhalese of today.
The Introduction of Buddhism from North India, resulted in the unification of the
various clans and tribes of the island and also ensured the dominance of the
Sinhala dynasty from North India, and the ultimate emergence of the Sinhala
identity as the people of Sri Lanka. Many Tamils, Chinese, Arabs, etc have been
absorbed into the Sinhalese identity continuously over the last 2500 years, making
the Sinhalese as an identity and a race, unique to Sri Lanka.
It is quite clear, that all Identities are formed in this manner.
For Example, United States was first discovered by an Italian, Amerigo Vesputchi,
Colonised by various European Powers, ruled by Anglo saxons.
It may be widely belived that the Americans are of Anglo saxon decent, but if you
look at America carefully, those of English decent are a small minority.
The Hispanics, Blacks, Irish, and other Europeans make up the majority of the
American identity.
It is correct to say that many of these Europeans and even the blacks of America
have adopted an Anglo saxon lifestyle and even names.
If an Atomic war was to destroy the planet and thousands of Years later if the
planet was again re-discovered by Humans from Another planet and if they were to
carry out archeological digs in the West Indies, they will find, that the people
of the West Indies, were Christians, spoke English, played Cricket and had
English names.
So they might conclude that West Indians are derived from the English race.
The Fact that the Sinhalese have a North Indian Language, Names, religion etc do
not necessorily mean that they are North Indians derivatives as you claim. This
also applies if you go to question as to who are the North Indians?
The pre-eminance of race and ethnicity only belongs to this century. Before that,
for most of our history, various races moved from one identity to another as King,
caste and religion were the major factors and not race and ethnicity.
Even within the last 100 years, large sections of the Tamil community have been
absorbed into the Sinhala identity ( karawe's Durawe's etc)and there was no
problem for a Tamil to become the King of the Sinhalese, only religion was a
qualification.
As the Present day elites speak English and have adopted European lifestyles, the
Sinhalese kings of Kandy, spoke Portuguese among many languages, adopted their
dress and lifestyles and even had Portuguese and other European Generals,
Ministers and Regiments in their armies fighting for Kandy and defending the last
bastion of Sinhalese power.
The Dutch who visited the Kandyan Kings have noted that they were recieved in the
Portuguese and not the Sinhalese manner.
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/parade/nm58/wimala.htm
Umberto Gui
amitabh...@my-dejanews.com
Umberto Gui <nm...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> According to the Mahavamsa, the Founder of the "Sinhalese", Prince Vijaya
arrived
> in Sri Lanka around 548 BC with an army of 700, from North India and conqured
the
> natives of the island.
>
> By 200BC, 348 Years later, Dutu Gemunu fought some 28 battles advancing North
> along the Mahaveli River, defeated and expelled a Dravidian Invader and built
the
> Ruvanweli saya, a huge Buddhist Stupa, some mile or half a mile in diameter
and
> rivalling the Pyramid of Giza in height.
>
> It is physically Impossible for the decendants of 700 to achieve all this in
348
> years.
>
> Therefore it is quite clear, that the Sinhalese, is an identity, which has
> resulted from the unification and absorbtion of all the inhabitants of the
Island,
> who might very well have not been of North Indian origin.
>
> It is quite clear, that if we are able to trace all the decendants of the 700
that
> Vijaya came with, they would form a minority among the Sinhalese of today.
>
>
> The Fact that the Sinhalese have a North Indian Language, Names, religion etc
do
> not necessorily mean that they are North Indians derivatives as you claim.
This
> also applies if you go to question as to who are the North Indians?
>
I think what you say seems very reasonable and logical. I agree with your
comments about the process of identity formation, and how fluid it has been
over the centuries, across the globe. And you're correct, even "North
Indians" are not this homogenous Aryan mass they wish they were. There has
been absorbed the blood of many tribals and indigenous folk, along with the
Aryans, who form a significant share of the gene pool only among the "upper
castes". If you look at so-called lower caste people of Bihar, for example,
they resemble Tamils much more so than Bihari Rajputs. Even Punjabis, who
like to consider themselves pure Aryan, have a lot of Scythian and other
invader blood in them.
However, the argument of yours that puzzles me is, why do you feel the Sinhala
identity is the only legitimate Sri Lankan identity? Not all the Tamils
apparently were brought over by the British - many were there for a long time,
and yet maintained a "Tamilness". Aside from unfair privileges they may have
had due to British Raj, do you feel that Tamils, in order to be considered Sri
Lankans, must abandon their language and culture, and be absorbed within the
Sinhala identity as so many other Sri Lankan groups have been in the past?
Vivek A Rajan
I have nothing against you or LTTE, I would appreciate if you or any other
person could provide me some statistics (or links )
I am amazed by some statistics - - especially that about 30% of tamils in SL
have left for other countries like Canada and Australia. That to me is just
a staggering statistic - that will work against the eelam struggle - because
these tamils have actually vacated their homelands for good - In this
respect,the SL Govt has already won a significant battle -
I would like to get the answers to the following questions - -
1) What is the demographic breakup of people leaving SL ? Is it mostly
young/educated/wealthy etc?
2) What is the mood of the young Tamil man (not affiliated with the LTTE) on
the street in Jaffna & Trinco and other Tamil areas ? Is it one of
desparation , willingness to fight, or finding ways to leave SL ?
3) If this is converted to a prolonged war of attrition, more and more young
Tamils (of child bearing age) will leave the Traditional tamil areas - -
What will happen at that time ?
Again - I am a friend, and I just want to look deeper and without being
clouded by emotion - -
Thanks-
VAR
<snip>
>Your army is corrupt and pathetic, and most Sinhalese acknowledge this.
>If the Tamils had the same means as the Sri Lankan army - they would
>have won the war years ago. Not even the Indian army was able to defeat
>the LTTE.
>
>As for your fellow Sinhalese in Australia all of those that I have met
>are doing pizza delivery, or delivering papers, and junk mail. In any
>case I don't look down on them because of that - at least they are doing
>something.
>
>
>Umberto Gui wrote:
>>
>> lacorti wrote:
>>
Umberto Gui
amitabh...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <36EC5717...@dial.pipex.com>,
> Umberto Gui <nm...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > According to the Mahavamsa, the Founder of the "Sinhalese", Prince Vijaya
> arrived
> > in Sri Lanka around 548 BC with an army of 700, from North India and conqured
> the
> > natives of the island.
> >
>
> > By 200BC, 348 Years later, Dutu Gemunu fought some 28 battles advancing North
> > along the Mahaveli River, defeated and expelled a Dravidian Invader and built
> the
> > Ruvanweli saya, a huge Buddhist Stupa, some mile or half a mile in diameter
> and
> > rivalling the Pyramid of Giza in height.
> >
> > It is physically Impossible for the decendants of 700 to achieve all this in
> 348
> > years.
> >
> > Therefore it is quite clear, that the Sinhalese, is an identity, which has
> > resulted from the unification and absorbtion of all the inhabitants of the
> Island,
> > who might very well have not been of North Indian origin.
> >
> > It is quite clear, that if we are able to trace all the decendants of the 700
> that
> > Vijaya came with, they would form a minority among the Sinhalese of today.
> >
> >
> > The Fact that the Sinhalese have a North Indian Language, Names, religion etc
> do
> > not necessorily mean that they are North Indians derivatives as you claim.
> This
> > also applies if you go to question as to who are the North Indians?
> >
>
> I think what you say seems very reasonable and logical. I agree with your
> comments about the process of identity formation, and how fluid it has been
> over the centuries, across the globe. And you're correct, even "North
> Indians" are not this homogenous Aryan mass they wish they were. There has
> been absorbed the blood of many tribals and indigenous folk, along with the
> Aryans, who form a significant share of the gene pool only among the "upper
> castes". If you look at so-called lower caste people of Bihar, for example,
> they resemble Tamils much more so than Bihari Rajputs. Even Punjabis, who
> like to consider themselves pure Aryan, have a lot of Scythian and other
> invader blood in them.
>
> However, the argument of yours that puzzles me is, why do you feel the Sinhala
> identity is the only legitimate Sri Lankan identity?
The Sinhala identity is the only legitimate Identity of Sri lanka as much as and no
more than the English Identity which is the only legitimate Identity of England.
Like the Tamils and Muslims of Sri Lanka, in England, there are Jews, Indians
Blacks etc.
England today is a multicultural society, and so is Sri lanka. But this does not
permit Jews and Indians of England and the Tamils and Muslims of Sri Lanka to claim
exclusive homelands in England or Sri Lanka.
> Not all the Tamils
> apparently were brought over by the British - many were there for a long time,
> and yet maintained a "Tamilness".
A Small Minority...Yes. But in all countries these small minorities are over the
years assimilated into the majority Identity as Tamil have been over the years.
> Aside from unfair privileges they may have
> had due to British Raj, do you feel that Tamils, in order to be considered Sri
> Lankans, must abandon their language and culture, and be absorbed within the
> Sinhala identity as so many other Sri Lankan groups have been in the past?
In the long term there will be automatic integration as it is unavoidable.
Tamils do not have to abandon their language and identity as much as the Indians in
the UK do not have to abandon their language and Identity.
The Problem in Sri lanka is, unlike the Indians in the UK, the Tamils are
attempting to carve our ethnically pure Tamil homelands from Sinhalese homelands,
by Tamilising Sinhala place names, ethniocally cleasing other ethnic groups and
attempting to ENTRENCH a Tamil Identity in a Sinhalese homeland, by Language and
other demands.
The Indians in the UK and the Hispanics in the US do not have l;anguage rights that
the Tamils in Sri lanka have.
The Tamils are attempting to create a mini Tamil homeland out of the Sinhalese
homeland. This is where conflict occurs.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> Your well financed regular army, navy, and airforce (supported by the
> entire world as you claim) has not been able to defeat the Tamil
> guerillas for more than 15 years. Time and time again your government
> has said that the Tamil freedom fighters were finished, and yet the war
> is continuing as intense as ever.
If the war finished in 1983, all the Tamils will still be in Sri Lanka. As a result of the
war dragging on, a million Tamils have left Sri Lanka forEVER.
Do you think I want the war to end today?
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For the first time in our history, Tamils have started to leave the country.
We like that. We want that trend to continue. For that attack on the Sri Maha Bodhi and
the Dalada maligawa, when we finish this war, the Tamils will also be finished.
>
>
> Your army is corrupt and pathetic, and most Sinhalese acknowledge this.
Name me one army in the world which is not corrupt and pathetic during a war?
If the Tamils had the same means as the Sri Lankan army - they would
> have won the war years ago. Not even the Indian army was able to defeat
> the LTTE.
If you have beaten the Indian army, why are you guys now hiding behind bushes, when a
pathetic Sinhala army is sniffing around?
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>
>
> As for your fellow Sinhalese in Australia all of those that I have met
> are doing pizza delivery, or delivering papers, and junk mail. In any
> case I don't look down on them because of that - at least they are doing
> something.
How can the decendants of leaf pluckers on plantations look down on Pizza delivery?
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Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> Considering the proximity of Tamil Nadu to Sri Lanka it is just
> commonsense to assume that Tamil sailors and fisherman settled in the
> island before the Sinhalese. Furthermore, considering the fact that Sri
> Lanka was attached to Tamil Nadu makes it even more likely that
> proto-Tamils were there earlier.
he he he he he he
But son, Tamils are not from Tamil Nadu.
They are themselves immigrants into India. When Sri lanka was joined to India, the Vaddhas may have been around, or the Balangoda man who
lived 28,000 years ago.
You guys are living in dreams.
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According to your proximity theory, the Chinese should have landed in Australia before the English.
haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Tamil brains eh?
>
>
> Umberto Gui:
>
> There are No Hindu Bronzes or any evidence of significant Tamil
> settlements in Sri lanka, before the 9th Century........read your
> > own Tamil History prof....
>
> Well even if I accept the above statement as accurate - the word
> "significant" is important because it implies that Tamils were already
> there before the 9th century. Furthermore, if they started to arrive in
> earnest after the 9th century that still amounts to 1000 years.
Tamils were in Sri Lanka in 200BC. Remember Elara.
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So you are now going to point to Julius Ceaser who invaded Britain and say that the Italians in London have the right to Italian homelands
in London because Romans have lived in Britain from the "earliest times" and they are an ancient peoples who are intelligent just like the
Tamils?
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
I have never laughed so much. Tamils are a race of fools. Never in my life have I experianced such idiots.
>
>
> Umberto Gui:
> The Sinhalese is an identity which has emerged from the various clans of
> Sri lanka and as such they are unique to Sri Lanka in
> > language and race and are thus the Bumiputras.
>
> The same process took place in the North and it was the Tamils who
> absorbed other groups, and linguistic differences emerged from Indian
> Tamil.
>
> Plus, all these arguments about who arrived first don't mean anything.
In that case why do you keep saying that "Tamils are an ancient peoples who have lived in Sri Lanka from the earliest of times"?
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>
> You could make the same arguments about India as to who arrived first.
> The difference in India is that they recognized diversity. They
> decentralized power and created autonomous regions along ethnic lines,
> and gave official status to minority languages. In Belgium and
> Switzerland they did the same, and considerations about who came first
> do not matter.
In India they do things the India way, in Sri lanka, they do things the Sinhalese way.
If you Tamil fools have no brains to realise fundamental differences, it is not my fault. You have to blame your Jaffna education.
Tamil fool, In all the countries that you mentioned, there is no single race or ethnic group which has an overall majority.
In India no single race or group amounts to over 50% of the population. This is the same in Switzerland.
This type of countries have no other option, but to have a devolved state.
Countries like Sri Lanka, England, Thailand, Japan, Burma, etc, have one dominant ethnic group which makes up an OVERWHELING majority of
the Population.
In Sri Lanka, the Sinhalese are75% and Buddhists 70%.
So they will demand a unitary state.
>
>
> The arguments that you make are the same that Turkey has used to oppress
> the Kurds and to destroy their culture. The Soviet Union and Yugoslavia
> disintegrated along ethnic lines, and the same should happen in Sri
> Lanka and in India.
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Son, in all these countries you talk of, the ethnic groups have not made Weligama into Weligamam and claimed Homelands.
In all these countries, the ethnic groups live in their homelands. The Kurds have no other homeland, other than Kurdistan.
The Tamil homeland is Tamil Nadu and not Sri lanka, malaya, mauritious, South Africa etc...
>
>
> Your arguments are simply arrogant, racist, power centred, unjust, and
> invalid.
Thats why the whole world supports us and everyone is pissing on your faces.
> Just because one ethnic group is superior in numbers to another
> it does not give it the right to dominate the other and destroy its
> culture.
You will be dominated in Sri Lanka to the same extent to which you are dominated in England and canada. We cannot destroy your culture,
because your culture is the same as ours.
>
>
> If you want to broaded your historical knowlege about Sri Lanka, and
> gain some impartial information about the early non veddha settlers - go
> to this address:
>
> http://tamilnation.org/
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Now how on earth can you get impartial knowledge from "tamil Nation"?
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You are a race of Fools and thats not my fault. As long as you insist on being fools, the whole world will continue to support us and we
will continue to chase you around bushes until you are all dead or in canada.
Umberto Gui
lacorti
there for a very long time. The proximity of Tamil Nadu to Sri Lanka,
and the fact that Tamils were sea faring people would suggest that they
arrived well before the North Indians. Think about it, the Tamil
fisherman and navigators of Tamil Nadu could actually see the island of
Sri Lanka, it is only commonsense that they would have settled there.
Furthermore, what happened thousands of years ago is not relevant today.
The Tamils are in Sri Lanka and their language, identity, and culture,
should be respected.
amitabh...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> In article <36EC5717...@dial.pipex.com>,
> Umberto Gui <nm...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > According to the Mahavamsa, the Founder of the "Sinhalese", Prince Vijaya
> arrived
> > in Sri Lanka around 548 BC with an army of 700, from North India and conqured
> the
> > natives of the island.
> >
>
> > By 200BC, 348 Years later, Dutu Gemunu fought some 28 battles advancing North
> > along the Mahaveli River, defeated and expelled a Dravidian Invader and built
> the
> > Ruvanweli saya, a huge Buddhist Stupa, some mile or half a mile in diameter
> and
> > rivalling the Pyramid of Giza in height.
> >
> > It is physically Impossible for the decendants of 700 to achieve all this in
> 348
> > years.
> >
> > Therefore it is quite clear, that the Sinhalese, is an identity, which has
> > resulted from the unification and absorbtion of all the inhabitants of the
> Island,
> > who might very well have not been of North Indian origin.
> >
> > It is quite clear, that if we are able to trace all the decendants of the 700
> that
> > Vijaya came with, they would form a minority among the Sinhalese of today.
> >
> >
> > The Fact that the Sinhalese have a North Indian Language, Names, religion etc
> do
> > not necessorily mean that they are North Indians derivatives as you claim.
> This
> > also applies if you go to question as to who are the North Indians?
> >
>
> I think what you say seems very reasonable and logical. I agree with your
> comments about the process of identity formation, and how fluid it has been
> over the centuries, across the globe. And you're correct, even "North
> Indians" are not this homogenous Aryan mass they wish they were. There has
> been absorbed the blood of many tribals and indigenous folk, along with the
> Aryans, who form a significant share of the gene pool only among the "upper
> castes". If you look at so-called lower caste people of Bihar, for example,
> they resemble Tamils much more so than Bihari Rajputs. Even Punjabis, who
> like to consider themselves pure Aryan, have a lot of Scythian and other
> invader blood in them.
>
> However, the argument of yours that puzzles me is, why do you feel the Sinhala
> identity is the only legitimate Sri Lankan identity? Not all the Tamils
> apparently were brought over by the British - many were there for a long time,
> and yet maintained a "Tamilness". Aside from unfair privileges they may have
> had due to British Raj, do you feel that Tamils, in order to be considered Sri
> Lankans, must abandon their language and culture, and be absorbed within the
> Sinhala identity as so many other Sri Lankan groups have been in the past?
>
lacorti
In Switzerland the people of German ethnicity constitute 65% of the
population.
In Belgium the people of Flemish ethnicity constitute 55%-60% of the
population.
Therefore, they constitute an overall majority, but they have not
oppressed the minority. In fact, they have given the minority groups
autonomy, and they also learn the minority language.
As usual your propaganda is false.
lacorti
>
> I would like to get the answers to the following questions - -
> 1) What is the demographic breakup of people leaving SL ? Is it mostly
> young/educated/wealthy etc?
Tamils from all walks of life have left. The majority are just ordinary
people.
>
> 2) What is the mood of the young Tamil man (not affiliated with the LTTE) on
> the street in Jaffna & Trinco and other Tamil areas ? Is it one of
> desparation , willingness to fight, or finding ways to leave SL ?
All three
>
> 3) If this is converted to a prolonged war of attrition, more and more young
> Tamils (of child bearing age) will leave the Traditional tamil areas - -
> What will happen at that time ?
It has been a war of attrition for some time. I don't know what will
happen over time. The future is very uncertain. If Tamil Nadu becomes
independant that may greatly influence the situation in Sri Lanka.
India may well disintegrate one day, like the Soviet Union and
Yugoslavia.
The plight of the Tamils in Sri Lanka is very similar to the plight of
the Kurds, Palestinians, Karen, and Kosovars, that is, a people without
a nation.
>
> Again - I am a friend, and I just want to look deeper and without being
> clouded by emotion - -
>
> Thanks-
> VAR
>
Regards
> <snip>
>
> >Your army is corrupt and pathetic, and most Sinhalese acknowledge this.
> >If the Tamils had the same means as the Sri Lankan army - they would
> >have won the war years ago. Not even the Indian army was able to defeat
> >the LTTE.
> >
> >As for your fellow Sinhalese in Australia all of those that I have met
> >are doing pizza delivery, or delivering papers, and junk mail. In any
> >case I don't look down on them because of that - at least they are doing
> >something.
> >
> >
> >Umberto Gui wrote:
> >>
> >> lacorti wrote:
> >>
> >> > rana...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > So it must be this same discipine and hardwork that has driven
> thousands of
> >> > > TAMILS to pump gas as Esso and Petro Canada in Scarborough! Trust me
> I've
> >> > > seen it with my own eyes.
> >> >
> >> > As an immigrant you do the job you find, just like Sinhalese immigrants
> >> > do.
> >>
> >> What?
> >>
> >> You guys are comparing yourselves to The Sinhalese?
> >>
> >> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> >>
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> Your posting was fair. In fact the Tamils in North Sri Lanka have been
> there for a very long time. The proximity of Tamil Nadu to Sri Lanka,
> and the fact that Tamils were sea faring people would suggest that they
> arrived well before the North Indians. Think about it, the Tamil
> fisherman and navigators of Tamil Nadu could actually see the island of
> Sri Lanka, it is only commonsense that they would have settled there.
> Furthermore, what happened thousands of years ago is not relevant today.
> The Tamils are in Sri Lanka and their language, identity, and culture,
> should be respected.
There is EVIDENCE of Tamil settlements in Sri lanka only in the 9th Century, 1500
years after the arrival of the Sinhalese.
A lot of things may be possible, including the landing of the martians, but we in the
civilized world have to go by Evidence and not what may have happened.
The Tamil language, culture and identity in Sri Lanka will recieve the same respect
as the Tamil language culture and identity will recieve in the UK or canada.
If the Tamil language has no rights in Canada or the UK, then don't expect the
Sinhalese to respect Tamil language rights in Sri Lanka.
You can fight till the cows come home, but we will not yield, and you will only end
up as refugees in Canada. Already a million have gone.
There arn't many left.
Never demand anything in Sri Lanka, that you can never secure from the greatest
democracies in the world in the UK and Canada.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> You are the fool
>
> In Switzerland the people of German ethnicity constitute 65% of the
> population.
Oi Blackie,
Go back and have another look.
http://www.admin.ch/ch/e/lang.html
Let me educate you step by step, since you blackies are so dumb.
First of all the magic number is 63.7% and not 65% as you suggested.
Now, read it again carefully, does it say Ethnicity or language ( Mother tongue)?
Now, black Dumbo, does mother tongue equal ethnicity?
Fucking ignorent, Jaffna educated Black Tamil IDIOT.
Now, lets go back to Switzerland, cow dung brain.
Step by step now, cow dung brain.
Look at this page........
http://www.admin.ch/bfs/stat_ch/ber01/eu0103.htm
See.?
20% of the Swiss are foreigners. What language do you think they speak? Tamil?
What ethnicity would you put them under?
Forget language, Tamil fool. Already, 20% of the Swiss have foreign ethnicity.
So the actual swiss are only 80% of the population.
So, 63% of them speak German and have the potential to have German ethnicity.
That is 50% of the actual total Swiss population.....( .63x.80)
So from the original Swiss population 20% are foreign and 50% have the potential to be of German ethnicity.
Now, Cow dung brain....step by step now.....what is the language and ethnicity of the Country to the North of Switzerland?
language.....German......Ethnicity....German...
Next step, Tamil fool.
What is the language and the ethnicity of the country to the East of Switzerland?
Language German...Ethnicity.... Austrian.
So Tamil black cow dung brain, out of the 50% who speak German, part are of German ethnicity and another part are of Austran Ethnicity.
So Blackie, No single ethnicity in Switzerland have an absolute dominance over the country.
Remember fool, language does not equal ethnicity...if all in America speak English this does not mean that Americans are of English Ethnicity.
I am glad your race has fucked off out of Sri Lanka to various other places of the world. No race on this planet is so dumb as the Tamil coolies
of Lanka.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he h ehe he
he he he he he he he he he he h ehe he he he he he he he he he he he he
So thats why the LTTE selling arms and training seperatists groups in India.
You Tamil fools are waiting for the Sri Lankan economy to collapse and then India
to break up so that you can get Liberation?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
What a race of Total IDIOTS.
Umberto Gui
gdr...@my-dejanews.com
"Vivek A Rajan" <vivek...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> lacorti -
>
> I have nothing against you or LTTE, I would appreciate if you or any other
> person could provide me some statistics (or links )
>
> I am amazed by some statistics - - especially that about 30% of tamils in SL
> have left for other countries like Canada and Australia. That to me is just
> a staggering statistic - that will work against the eelam struggle - because
> these tamils have actually vacated their homelands for good - In this
> respect,the SL Govt has already won a significant battle -
>
> 1) What is the demographic breakup of people leaving SL ? Is it mostly
> young/educated/wealthy etc?
>
> the street in Jaffna & Trinco and other Tamil areas ? Is it one of
> desparation , willingness to fight, or finding ways to leave SL ?
>
> Tamils (of child bearing age) will leave the Traditional tamil areas - -
> What will happen at that time ?
>
The Jews were forced to leave their land atleast TWO millienum back.
but they kept their identity intact wherever they went and didnt forget
about their mother land, language and culture for so many generations.
They waited patiently for the time to ripe enough and they got their
land back.
But luckily for them, there was no small group, inside them, who
continuosly backstab and working very hard for removing their intention
to keep their identity intact.
Barring that handicap, even tamils, if they can learn from history,
can get their traditional areas back wherever it is.
> Again - I am a friend, and I just want to look deeper and without being
> clouded by emotion - -
>
Sorry, I couldnt resist taking a "pot shot" at this statement.
I agree you cant be clouded by emotion since the issue is NOT about
Brahmins. I know how you will get emotional if the issue is about brahmins.
Anyway, thanks for your concerns.
We(the Tamils) need any kind of unconditional help from any quarters.
gdravid.
> Thanks-
> VAR
>
> <snip>
>
> >Your army is corrupt and pathetic, and most Sinhalese acknowledge this.
> >If the Tamils had the same means as the Sri Lankan army - they would
> >have won the war years ago. Not even the Indian army was able to defeat
> >the LTTE.
> >
> >As for your fellow Sinhalese in Australia all of those that I have met
> >are doing pizza delivery, or delivering papers, and junk mail. In any
> >case I don't look down on them because of that - at least they are doing
> >something.
> >
> >
> >Umberto Gui wrote:
> >>
> >> lacorti wrote:
> >>
> >> > rana...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > So it must be this same discipine and hardwork that has driven
> thousands of
> >> > > TAMILS to pump gas as Esso and Petro Canada in Scarborough! Trust me
> I've
> >> > > seen it with my own eyes.
> >> >
> >> > As an immigrant you do the job you find, just like Sinhalese immigrants
> >> > do.
> >>
> >> What?
> >>
> >> You guys are comparing yourselves to The Sinhalese?
> >>
> >> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> >>
> >> I thought you guys were inteligent, hard working etc and we would have
> expected the
> >> Sinhalese to do all the crap jobs and the Tamils to do all the executive
> Jobs.
> >>
> >> But, it seems that in the UK and the US, a higher proportion of Sinhalese
> are doing
> >> good jobs and Tamils are pumping petrol, boiling chickens and cooking
> Pizza.
> >>
> >> What happened to your intelligence and how you do better than us in a
> level playing
> >> field?
> >>
> >> You fools cannot beat us in the battle field, in the Cricket field,
> athleti field or
> >> the economic field.
> >>
> >> The Sinhalese in the Middle east are sending home over 1 BILLION US$
> every year,
> >> more than the entire Defence budget.
> >>
> >> The Tamils are sending home fuck all.
> >>
> >> You are all a bunch of losers.
> >>
> >> No wonder our economy took off after we burnt you guys out in 83.
> >>
> >> Umberto Gui
>
>
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Umberto Gui
gdr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
he he he he he he he he he he he he
You are Jews now, eh?
One moment you guys tell the world that you are like the Palestinians and the next
moment you say that you are like the Jews.
Can you please make up your minds who you actually are.
You are neither Jews, nor Palestinians, but a bunch of Black smelly plantation
workers who swarmed the Sinhalese homelands and got too big for your boots and
thought that you could spin a load of lies and grab the lands of another and have
now ended up landless.
As for you guys keeping your identities in the West, we all know that the Young
Tamils born in the West don't give a fuck about the Tamil cause and they piss on
the old Tamils.
So much for your fraudulant Tamil cause of land thieves. No wonder that even the
South Indian Tamils hate you so much.
Your rate of mongrels have the priviledge of being the only peoples on planet
earth who have assassinated the Heads of State of Two countries....President
premadasa of Sri Lanka and Rajiv Gandhi of India.
The Black coolies are the parasites of this century.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> Ethnic Germans speak German, and they do constitute an overall majority
> of the Swiss population, and always have. What you fail to admit is that
> they have not sought to impose their language on the French, Italian,
> and Romanch speaking minorities. Linguistic rights and autonomy was
> guaranteed to the French, Italian, and Romanch speakers more than 100
> years ago, when the Swiss Germans constituted about 80% of the
> population.
>
> As for the foreigners that is a seperate issue. This is by and large a
> post war phenomenon, and many immigrant workers are just short term
> residents. Furthermore, the majority of them are Italian, and therefore
> speak one of the 4 official languages of the country. You are wrong by
> all accounts.
I still believe that the German composition of the Swiss population includes Germans from the North and Austrians from the East and that no single
ethnic group had an overall dominat position in the country. It is only in such circumstances do you get devolved units on ethnic grounds.
Where a country has single group that makes up a large proportion of the population, the tendancy is to go for Centralised government.
I am not against devolution into regions, but I am against devolution on Ethnic lines.
Umberto Gui
gdr...@hotmail.com
Hey "he he thayoli"
I am a south indian tamil.
As long as the tamils living inside the Indian border wear a leathargic
attitude, you can heap "he he" "ho ho" "black arse" "coolies" on the
helpless, less in number, ealem tamils. If these tamils also wake up and
decide just to walk over ( serious, with no arms) to your island, you have to
run further south of your border or will get trambled on our legs, including
your three helicopter, two airplane airforce.
Your fake country is going to be divided, if not now, atleast before your
own eys.
Even if get a chance, the Ealem Tamils are not going to touch your eyes,
and you are going to see the division.
Till then have your fun with your "he he".
> Your rate of mongrels have the priviledge of being the only peoples on planet
> earth who have assassinated the Heads of State of Two countries....President
> premadasa of Sri Lanka and Rajiv Gandhi of India.
>
With your "no trial" or "in camera" trial, you can conclude that.
Also Rajiv Gandhi was not a prime minister when he was killed.
Or did you find that too in your mahavamsa.
BTW who killed Bhandaranake ?
> The Black coolies are the parasites of this century.
Do you think you, sinhalese, got a white ass?
I cant imagine Chandrika having a white ass
barring some disease
or
Didnt you people even learn how to clean the ass after shitting,
from the tamils, after all these years?
gdravid.
lacorti
of the Swiss population, and always have. What you fail to admit is that
they have not sought to impose their language on the French, Italian,
and Romanch speaking minorities. Linguistic rights and autonomy was
guaranteed to the French, Italian, and Romanch speakers more than 100
years ago, when the Swiss Germans constituted about 80% of the
population.
As for the foreigners that is a seperate issue. This is by and large a
post war phenomenon, and many immigrant workers are just short term
residents. Furthermore, the majority of them are Italian, and therefore
speak one of the 4 official languages of the country. You are wrong by
all accounts.
Umberto Gui wrote:
>
> lacorti wrote:
>
> > You are the fool
> >
> > In Switzerland the people of German ethnicity constitute 65% of the
> > population.
>
Lanka
>
> Lanka wrote:
> >
> > V.C.Vijayaraghavan wrote:
> >
> > Regards!
> > Lanka
> lANKA
> THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU.
> rAJIV WAS INVITED BY JR JEYAWARDHANA IN 1987, DO YOU REMEMBER THE
> INCIDENT IN COLOMBO WHERE A NAVAL RATING BUTTED RAJIV?
> IT IS THE LTTE WHO KICKED THEM OUT OF SRI-LANKA.
Yes, officially Rajive was invited. But, did the government really want
them? no. Did the people want them. No. The majority of Sri Lankan
people
did not want them. They rioted on the streets, if you cannot remember.
By the way, were you in Sri Lanka at that time? I was in Sri Lanka. Do
you remember how Tamils celebrated? Do you know where Horana is? Even
in Horana, the few Tamils (can be counted with fingers in your hands)
celebrated the arrival of Indians by lighting firecrackers.
This is where everything went wrong for India. How can they favour one
group over the others, if both of the groups have indian origins? They
tried to take the side of the ones who still keep the Indian identity
or at least their perception was that Tamils were Indians and Sinhalese
were not.
LTTE did not kick Indian army out. As you said, they were invited and
asked to leave by Premadasa. It was amicable.
Lanka
Umberto Gui
gdr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Hey "he he thayoli"
Yes, Punde Andi?
>
>
> I am a south indian tamil.
>
I am from catalonia in Espania.
>
> As long as the tamils living inside the Indian border wear a leathargic
> attitude, you can heap "he he" "ho ho" "black arse" "coolies" on the
> helpless, less in number, ealem tamils.
Its Eelam Tamils dumbo not ealam, and the Indian Tamils know that Eelam means
Sinhalam and that the Sri Lankan Tamils are land robbers.....Here this was written
by a much more educated Indian Tamil from Madras, not a fool like you......
TAMIL EELAM ?
.
Dr. S. Krishnaswami Aiyangar of the Madras University
writing on 29.8.1926 the Foreword to Ancient Jaffna by
Mudaliyar C. Rasanayagam says: "The attempt of the
author to derive the name Ilam does not appeal to us as quite
successful; Ilam to us seems to be directly derived from the
Pali word Sihala, which in Tamil would be Singalam or even
Singanam, but a strict Tamilising would make it Ilam...."
Ancient Jaffna-Mudaliyar C Rasanayagam (Foreword p. v.).
The Tamil Lexicon gives the meaning of Ilam.;
"Ilam< Pali, Sihala< Simhala." ( Tamil Lexicon. Published
under the Authority of the University of Madras 1936.)
Dr. Karthigesu Indrapalan, Professor of History of the
University of Jaffna, explains the word Ilam. " Presumably it
rests on the fact that Ilam is now used only in Tamil as a
name for Ceylon But the origin of this name, far from
indicating that the island was occupied by the Tamil speaking
people in ancient times, shows that the people from whose
name Ilam is derived were sinhalese."( Thesis for the Ph.D.
by Dr. Karthigesu Indrapalan, submitted to the University of
London in 1962 (Unpublished S.O. 15.1. 84).)
> If these tamils also wake up and
> decide just to walk over ( serious, with no arms) to your island, you have to
> run further south of your border or will get trambled on our legs, including
> your three helicopter, two airplane airforce.
You think Indian Tamils are as foolish as you are?
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he h ehe he he he he he he he he he he he
he eh
The Jaffna Tamils are the ones who stated that they are pure Dravidians and superior
to the lowly untouchable Indian Tamils. You can get confirmation of this from the
one million Indian Tamils in Sri Lanka working in the tea plantations.
Now what makes you think that the Indian Tamils are going to come and help Jaffna
fools?
Even In Tamil nadu, Indian Tamils Hate Sri lankan Tamils and they are more or less
locked up in special refugee camps because the Tamil Nadu government is worried that
the Sri Lankan Tamils will pollute the Indian Tamils.
>
>
> Your fake country is going to be divided, if not now, atleast before your
> own eys.
Its EYES dumbo and you cannot sit in Canada and divide Sri Lanka.
>
> Even if get a chance, the Ealem Tamils are not going to touch your eyes,
> and you are going to see the division.
> Till then have your fun with your "he he".
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
The Eelam Tamils are all in Canada, Fool and they want Tamil homelands in
Torontogamam in Canadai, ancient homelands of the Tamils.
>
>
> > Your rate of mongrels have the priviledge of being the only peoples on planet
> > earth who have assassinated the Heads of State of Two countries....President
> > premadasa of Sri Lanka and Rajiv Gandhi of India.
> >
>
> With your "no trial" or "in camera" trial, you can conclude that.
> Also Rajiv Gandhi was not a prime minister when he was killed.
> Or did you find that too in your mahavamsa.
>
> BTW who killed Bhandaranake ?
The fact remains that the Tamil Coolies of Sri Lanka are the only race on planet
earth to have assassinated two Heads of State, Rajiv gandhi of India and President
Premadasa of Sri Lanka.
>
>
> > The Black coolies are the parasites of this century.
>
> Do you think you, sinhalese, got a white ass?
We are aryans from North India, while you are black coolie parasitic dravida
plantation workers who have been transported by the Colonial powers in semi slavery
all over the world to work in Plantations.
You are a lowly race of starving maggots who did not have the brains to develop your
own country, so you swarmed the homelands of others and make up stories in order to
grab the lands of others and now have ended up landless.
What a sad race you are.
Not only the Tamils of Namil Nadu, but even the Canadians, the most tolerant nation
on planet earth, hate you thiving black coolies of Lanka who have now polluted
Canada as well with your filth and your smells.
Umberto Gui
lacorti
proved that all your arguments about being the Bumiputras of Sri
Lanka were false. You have lost all credibility.
Umberto Gui wrote
pallavan
LTTE - UNP work for the same master!
pallavan
during the Premadasa & Prabhakaran honemoon period? Did your LTTE
criminal hero forget the Eelam when the Indian army ws in SL?
nanayakkara wrote:
>
> Umberto Gui wrote:
> >
> > When I look at Tamil internet sites and on this discussion group at
> > Tamil thinking, I realise why it is that the Sinhalese treat Tamils as
> > ALIENS.
> >
> > In Sri Lanka, there is a Sri Lankan nation, which includes all races,
> > that has pride in Sri Lankan history, its culture, its cricket team, its
> > country etc..etc..
> >
> > It is the same in the US, where various races have allegiance to
> > everything US.
> >
> > In Sri Lanka, there is a large section of Tamils, whose tastes, fans,
> > culture etc. and allegiances are towards India and Tamil Nadu.
> >
> > There whole culture is to try and undermine and redicule the native Sri
> > Lankan culture, language etc and are always looking for third parties or
> > OUTSIDERS to intervene on their behalf.
> >
> > Under English language, the Tamils felt that they were EQUAL or 50:50
> > with the 75% Sinhalese and thus had a dominant position in the
> > administration. Under Sinhala only, this dominance was lost. They wanted
> > Tamil, in order to gain parity or 50:50. Their land claims reflect this.
> > Tamils are a 12% minority, now reduced to about 8% because of the war,
> > wanting to be 50:50 with a 75% majority. Something no country on earth
> > has.
> >
> > Now even in Canada are the Tamils 50:50 with the whites.?
> >
> > The Tamil race has been fighting the whole of this century to maintain
> > an unnatural 50:50 position they had enjoyed During a colonial
> > administration, which was constantly at war with the 75% majority.
> >
> > Tamils are a minority who have had a privileged status under the
> > colonial powers ( divide and rule), which got eroded to its natural
> > position under a Sri Lanka administration.
> >
> > These Tamils want themselves restored to a dominant privileged position
> > once again ( living in the past) and in order to do this they realise
> > that they need some outside power to come and increase there leverage.
> > In order to do this they have always looked at India.
> >
> > This is like Muslim Kashmiri's in India, looking at Pakistan to enhance
> > their position in a Hindu Country.
> >
> > These Tamils would love it, if India was to invade Sri Lanka and place
> > the Tamils as the administrators and confidants of the Indians in Sri
> > Lanka, similar to the influential role they enjoyed under the Colonial
> > powers who were at war with the Sinhalese majority based in Kandy.
> >
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> >
> > The Tamils have a big problem with the word "minority" in Sri Lanka.
> > They are a minority in Canada, UK etc, but in Sri Lanka, they do not
> > want to be a minority.
> >
> > Its all to do with the frame of the mind. The Tamils have a superiority
> > complex. They think their BOYS are invincible, that they are intelligent
> > and that the Sinhalese is inferior and cannot compete with their
> > superiority.
> > They think that they are intelligent and strong enough to dominate the
> > Sinhala buddhist state, hold it to ransom and make their demands.
> >
> > Sri Lankan leaders have realised this from the very beginning and I take
> > my hat off to them for consistently following a strategy of empowering
> > the Sri lankan state by re-training, re-arming and expanding the Sri
> > Lankan forces in tandem with economic development.
> >
> > The Sri Lankan forces have now fast reaching a stage where the
> > OVERWHELMING authority of the state will be UNDISPUTED.
> >
> > Nationalistic Tamils now are faced with two options.
> >
> > Fall into line, as a minority in a multi-cultural Sinhala buddhist
> > country or die.
> >
> > Umberto Gui
>
> THIS IS YOUR IMAGINATION. YOU THINK TAMILS ARE ALIENS WHO ARE LOOKING TO
> INDIA.
> DO YOU REMEMBER THE LTTE KICK THE INDIAN ARMY, WHO WERE INVITED BY THE
> SINHALA GOVERNMENT, AND SENT THEM PACKING BACK TO INDIA.
>
> DO YOU REMEMBER THAT.
> YOU MORON, WHO CLAIM TO BE A SON OF A WHITE WOMAN. JUST BEXCAUE YOU LICK
> TINA'S CUNT YOU ARE NOT WHITE, YOU BLACK BASTARD.
pallavan
nanayakkara wrote:
>
> Lanka wrote:
> >
> > V.C.Vijayaraghavan wrote:
> > >
> > > Indeed, India has violently involved itself. In the first place, India interfered
> > > by sending troops in 71 to Colombo to prevent rebels from overrunning the govt.
> > > Again , it 'interfered' in SL in '89 at the invitation of the SL govt. India
> > > interfered by sening it's troops to Maldives at the invitation of it's govt to
> > > prevent it being overrun in late 80s. It 'interfered' in Bangladesh to see that 12
> > > million people of Bangladesh can go back to their homeland and to stop the
> > > massacre of Bengalis by Pakistani army which, in 9 months was 3 million people.
> > > How come Indian intervention is usually invited by the host country? If Srilanka
> > > is in one piece, you can thank India for it.
> >
> > You got one instance correct. In 71 I think Colombo invited India.
> >
> > But in 87, Colombo did not invite india. Rajive himself invited to
> > Colombo. He tried to bully J.R. By the way, do you remember
> > Vadamarachchi
> > operation? How about dropping things over Jaffna when SL army was about
> > to take LTTE leader?
> >
> > I am not surprised to hear what you say. Almost evrey indian I met
> > is of the same opinion.
> >
> > Samething happened in East Pakistan. India involvement was no secret
> > there.
> >
> > Are you people that naive or do you think we are that stupid?
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> You have admitted that you are North Indian Aryans,
Yes.
Aryan is not a race ( look at the dictionary) but the speakers of an indo -aryan dialect,
based on Sanskrit, so Sinhalese are indo-aryans.
> and you have
> proved that all your arguments about being the Bumiputras of Sri
> Lanka were false. You have lost all credibility.
Not at all. Perpahs you do not have the intelligence to understand my arguments.
I have proved to you that 700 who came with Vijaya could not have achieved so much in 348
years and therefore the Sinhala identity has absorbed all other tribes in Sri lanka.
Historical and archeological evidence proves this and so does work carried out by swiss
anthropologists like Virchow, who has clearly stated that the Sinhalese are derived from
a union of North Indians and the vaddhas and therefore, they are the Bumiputras.
The Tamils arrived in Sri lanka 1500 years after the arrival of the Sinhalese and the
forming of the Sinhala identity. Your own Tamil prof. and infact ALL other Historical
Tamil acedemics and many more accept that fact.
Your Jaffna education has let you down, despite having excellant and enlightened Tamil
profs like Karthigesu Indrapala to teach you fools.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> Umberto Gui wrote:
>
> >We are aryans from North India, while you are black coolie parasitic >dravida.
>
> The Sinhalese are also Black.
yes?
>
>
> You have proved nothing - On the one hand you assert that you are Aryans
> from North India, and on the other that you are a mixed race of North
> Indians and Veddhas.
does the two conflict?
The conflict is in your little brain. Go and have a look at the dictionary.
Aryan is a group identified as those speaking an indo aryan dialect based on sanskrit.
It is not the aryan of hitler or mad whites in the US who have Aryan nations. They have got it
wrong just like the swastika.
The Sinhalese speak an indo aryan dialect and thus referred to as an aryan peoples, the same as
the North Indians, Afghans, Pakistanis, Persians, Germans, English etc..
They are all people of different colours, but all indo-aryans and bumiputras in their own
countries.
>
>
> The fact is that the North Indians conquered Sri Lanka by killing and
> destroying the Veddhas culture, much the same way that the Europeans
> conquered the US. The European settlers in North America also absorbed
> many natives but this does not make the Europeans the Bumiputras of
> North America. This is a crazy concept that you have invented to try to
> justify your claim of ownership over all of the island.
It is you who is coming up with crazy concepts comparing things you cannot compare.
When Vijaya landed in Sri Lanka, his entire group was imprisoned by the native tribes of Sri
Lanka.
Vijaya married, the queen of one of these tribes and they had children.
Those whom you call Sinhalese today are a mixture of Early aryan immigrants, local tribes and
others who have been absorbed into the Sinhala identity.
Sinhalese are the bumiputras of Sri lanka.
The Tamils arrived in Sri Lanka 1500 years after the Sinhalese and most of the Tamils in Sri
Lanka today arrived during the Colonial period.
Tamils are certainly not the Bumiputras of Sri Lanka.
Tamils have colonised Sinhalese homelands, Tamilised Sinhala place names, manufactured history
and then after ethnically cleasing other ethnic groups, claiming those parts of the island as
their Tamil Homelands.
We might as well chase the Tamils out of Jaffna, re-establish the old Sinhala place names and
claim Jaffna as the Sinhalese homelands.
Umberto Gui
lacorti
>We are aryans from North India, while you are black coolie parasitic >dravida.
The Sinhalese are also Black.
You have proved nothing - On the one hand you assert that you are Aryans
from North India, and on the other that you are a mixed race of North
Indians and Veddhas.
The fact is that the North Indians conquered Sri Lanka by killing and
destroying the Veddhas culture, much the same way that the Europeans
conquered the US. The European settlers in North America also absorbed
many natives but this does not make the Europeans the Bumiputras of
North America. This is a crazy concept that you have invented to try to
justify your claim of ownership over all of the island.
>
lacorti
a scholarly work accepted by the academic fraternity at large.
For you people to rely on this piece of paper is pathetic.
What it shows is how weak your arguments are.
Umberto Gui wrote:
> Dr. S. Krishnaswami Aiyangar of the Madras University
> writing on 29.8.1926 the Foreword to Ancient Jaffna by
> Mudaliyar C. Rasanayagam says: "The attempt of the
> author to derive the name Ilam does not appeal to us as quite
> successful; Ilam to us seems to be directly derived from the
> Pali word Sihala, which in Tamil would be Singalam or even
> Singanam, but a strict Tamilising would make it Ilam...."
> Ancient Jaffna-Mudaliyar C Rasanayagam (Foreword p. v.).
>
Read the words of the Sinhala historian and Cambridge scholar, Paul
Peiris, as
they represent an influential and commonsense point of view:
..it stands to reason that a country which was only thirty miles from
India and which would have been seen by Indian fisherman every morning
as they
sailed out to catch their fish, would have been occupied as soon as the
continent
was peopled by men who understood how to sail... Long before the arrival
of Prince
Vijaya, there were in Sri Lanka five recognised isvarams of Siva which
claimed and
received the adoration of all India. These were Tiruketeeswaram near
Mahatitha;
Munneswaram dominating Salawatte and the pearl fishery; Tondeswaram near
Mantota; Tirkoneswaram near the great bay of Kottiyar and Nakuleswaram
near
Kankesanturai. Their situation close to these ports cannot be the result
of accident or caprice and was probably determined by the concourse of a
wealthy
mercantile population whose religious wants called for attention... '
(Paul E. Pieris:
Nagadipa and Buddhist Remains in Jaffna : Journal of
Royal Asiatic
Society, Ceylon
Branch Vol.28)
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> This is just a thesis from one individual. It does not constitute
> a scholarly work accepted by the academic fraternity at large.
> For you people to rely on this piece of paper is pathetic.
> What it shows is how weak your arguments are.
I think you cannot count. Its that pathetic Jaffna education. It is not just
one persons work I have shown below, but Two...One from Madras and one from
Jaffna.
You don't even have ONE to counter their specific point.
> TAMIL EELAM ?
>
> .
> Dr. S. Krishnaswami Aiyangar of the Madras University
> writing on 29.8.1926 the Foreword to Ancient Jaffna by
> Mudaliyar C. Rasanayagam says: "The attempt of the
> author to derive the name Ilam does not appeal to us as quite
> successful; Ilam to us seems to be directly derived from the
> Pali word Sihala, which in Tamil would be Singalam or even
> Singanam, but a strict Tamilising would make it Ilam...."
> Ancient Jaffna-Mudaliyar C Rasanayagam (Foreword p. v.).
>
> The Tamil Lexicon gives the meaning of Ilam.;
> "Ilam< Pali, Sihala< Simhala." ( Tamil Lexicon. Published
> under the Authority of the University of Madras 1936.)
>
> Dr. Karthigesu Indrapalan, Professor of History of the
> University of Jaffna, explains the word Ilam. " Presumably it
> rests on the fact that Ilam is now used only in Tamil as a
> name for Ceylon But the origin of this name, far from
> indicating that the island was occupied by the Tamil speaking
> people in ancient times, shows that the people from whose
> name Ilam is derived were sinhalese."( Thesis for the Ph.D.
> by Dr. Karthigesu Indrapalan, submitted to the University of
> London in 1962 (Unpublished S.O. 15.1. 84).
>
Yes?
I quite agree with Paul E Pieris.
But, where does he say that these people were Tamils?
Tamils arrived in South India THOUSANDS of Years after, the events discribed
above by Paul E Pieris.
You guys have taken a comment by Paul E Pieris in which he is referring to a
pre-historic period, even before that of the Vaddhas, and trying to
fraudulantly represent it as being Tamils arriving in Sri Lanka. Nowhere does
he comment that Tamils were in Sri Lanka before the Sinhalese, simply because
he will not have a leg to stand on, as the Archeological EVIDENCE first Tamil
settlements in Sri Lanka are found only in the 9th century onwards.
Further more, recent historic research published by the Hindu and reposted by
me on this site have shown that Tamils were first Buddhist and then Hindu's.
So, even if there were these Isvarems ( I believe Pieris's theory has been
proved wrong since then regarding the age of these isvarems) the Hindu;s of
that period could not have been Tamils.
You guys are under the perception that "Tamils" lived in South India forever.
This is clearly not the case. Infact recent evidence point to Aryan presence
in South India before the Dravidians.
There are Vaddhas in South India as well.
Umberto Gui
lacorti
mberto Gui wrote:
>
> lacorti wrote:
>
> > Umberto Gui wrote:
> >
> > >We are aryans from North India, while you are black coolie parasitic >dravida.
> >
> > The Sinhalese are also Black.
>
> yes?
>
> >
> >
> > You have proved nothing - On the one hand you assert that you are Aryans
> > from North India, and on the other that you are a mixed race of North
> > Indians and Veddhas.
>
> does the two conflict?
>
> The conflict is in your little brain. Go and have a look at the dictionary.
> Aryan is a group identified as those speaking an indo aryan dialect based on sanskrit.
>
> It is not the aryan of hitler or mad whites in the US who have Aryan nations. They have got it
> wrong just like the swastika.
>
> The Sinhalese speak an indo aryan dialect and thus referred to as an aryan peoples, the same as
> the North Indians, Afghans, Pakistanis, Persians, Germans, English etc..
>
> They are all people of different colours, but all indo-aryans and bumiputras in their own
> countries.
>
> >
> >
> > The fact is that the North Indians conquered Sri Lanka by killing and
> > destroying the Veddhas culture, much the same way that the Europeans
> > conquered the US. The European settlers in North America also absorbed
> > many natives but this does not make the Europeans the Bumiputras of
> > North America. This is a crazy concept that you have invented to try to
> > justify your claim of ownership over all of the island.
>
Umberto Gui
lacorti wrote:
> You simply keep repeating the same propaganda.
For you, the truth is propaganda, and I suppose your truth is, how there are Tamil homelands in the
North and the East after making Weligama to Weligamam.
You have NOTHIng to counter my truth with.
Umberto Gui
Umberto Gui
Hi
I spent most of last week hovering around Coolies of Lanka who are
resident in Newham/Eastham region and South East London, a pretty
demoralised bunch and working for the great Coolie cause of the great
Cholans of Jaffna.
They gave me lots of info and got one of the LTTE's latest videos as
well. The Video and Audio piracy business is going well. They are
ripping off a fortune from Tamil artists in Tamil Nadu, by copying all
their films and songs and selling the audio and video cassettes and
pocketing all the money without passing on royalties to the South Indian
entertainment industry.
The LTTE video's issued in 1999, covering 1998, are issued in twin
packs.
I had a look.
Boy!, the Coolies are So bloody Black.
God!, The American Africans are fairer.
Not much action in the latest one. They are harping back to the good old
days of Operation Unceasing waves I ( Mullaithivu) in order to keep
flagging moral up.
Every video has pics of the dead. Each one has about 200 dead. Lets say
they bring out 6 vidoes a year, so we are talking about 1200 dead. Now,
thats without any big operations.
Most of the dead in the latest video are kids. I would say 85% of the
LTTE dead were between the ages of 13 and 18 confirming that they are
using children as combatants.
There are no smiles on the faces of those great cholans. They have long
faces. Even Praba's smiles have more or less disappeared. He looks fat
and aged. The fool is losing his hair. He has also got very fair, as a
result of living underground in bunkers most of the last 5 years.
To make up for the lack of action, we have loads of culture. Loads of
moaning and groaning.
The national past time of Tamil eelam is burning life size effigies of
Chandrika and Ratwatte.
Loads of black coolies are in a frenzy, kicking, beating and burning
them.
Well, They have to get their frustrations out in some manner.
The Overlordship of the Catholics over the hindu's within the LTTE is
quite clear as they give prominence to Catholic priests and priority to
Churches etc.
There is now play acting in every video, and in this one and "poor
innocent Tamil" got shot by a nasty Sinhala soldier, while trying to
throw an egg on some other coolies.
This egg throwing is the latest fad in Thamil Eelam. It opens with a
scene of a young boy crushing an egg on the face of an very old woman
who is hobbling along the street with a walking stick. In Tamil eelam,
thowing eggs at the old and the disabled is supposed to be fun.
What a bunch of black sadists.
Throwing ink at girls white uniforms is also supposed to be fun.
What do you expect from a bunch of cock worshippers.
National past time of the Thamil National leader of Thamil Eelam is
inspecting two artillery pieces captured from Mullaithivu. I have seen
this clip on LTTE videos at least 10 times now.
He seems to be thrilled.
he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
he he he h eh he he he he h
It was a sad bunch of blackies of a rag tag army running around in
bathroom slippers, trying to show the Tamil fools in the West, somthing
which they are not.
I wonder whats happened to Lt Col Anton Selvadurai?
He had written to Hot Springs about how the LTTE was going to take
Jaffna, after taking Kilinochchi.
What a tragedy.
The Tragedy of the Tamils is that their leadership has been hijacked by
a bunch of fools, who are murdering off all the other Tamil leaders who
could have secured the Tamils a much more better deal, without all this
death, suffering, misery ending with absolute defeat and humiliation.
These particular Tamil fools, after having blown a load of hot air,
about great Tamils and Tamil cholans and how ancient and great they are,
are now hiding behind bushes and complaining to he ICRC about diarrhoea
problems and waiting for the Sinhalese to send them food lorrys.
The LTTE and the modayan Tamil diaspora who have aided and abetted,
must take full responsibility for the tragedy of the Tamils.
Umberto Gui
nanayakkara
It didn't work.
So Kalu balla you have lost.
How is Tina's cunt? Are you keeping it wet by licking it regularly?
Umberto Gui
nanayakkara wrote:
Son, We Sinhalas go down on our women and they just love us, including the
Jaffna lasses.
You blackies only go down on stone cocks called Sivalingam you stare at while
waiting for the earth to move.
No wonder the Coolies at Jaffna university are warning Tamil girls not to get
too friendly with Sinhala soldiers.
Sinhala soldiers know how to make Tamil girls come, and satisfies them, by
reaching places, other beers do not reach.
The Black coolies can only jump up and down and wait for eelam.
Umberto Gui
pallavan
pa...@my-dejanews.com
Why dont go round the back and lick her arse. After all that is what you
blackies do, until you gain a foothold, is'it it?
Filthy bastard,
Parakrama
In article <370386...@my-dejanews.com>,
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
Tina Gunawardhana
pa...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <7e2v04$npl$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> Oye Shithead BAnanayakkara,
> Why dont go round the back and lick her arse. After all that is what
you
> blackies do, until you gain a foothold, is'it it?
>
> Filthy bastard,
>
> Parakrama
>
> nanayakkara...... you sound like the fist four letters of your name
NANA.... are you going bananas too....... Why are you asking umberto if
he is licking tina's cunt? Why are you without a meenachchi's cunt to
lick????? you must be wanking off fast and furious that you must be having
blisters on your palms...... You are a sad pathetic person who has no
manners at all..... You are worried about others sex life why don't you get
a life and get a woman one that you do not have to pay for.... after all
the sunday Island of 21.3.99 carried an article saying that there were SRI
LANKAN prostitutes..... get one the meenachchis sent by the LTTE to suck
dick and earn money for the LTTE. You worry about your sex life and Umberto
will look after his!
> >
lacorti
lacorti
Indian invaders. Below you may read the facts from Paul E. Pieris, and
he was clearly referring to Tamils. They were living there at the time,
and your assertion that the Aryans were in Tamil Nadu before the Tamils
is nothing more than political rubbish.
..it stands to reason that a country which was only thirty miles from
India and which would have been seen by Indian fisherman every morning
as they sailed out to catch their fish,would have been occupied as soon
as the continent was peopled by men who understood how to sail... Long
before the arrival of Prince Vijaya, there were in Sri Lanka five
recognised isvarams of Siva which claimed and received the adoration of
all India. These were Tiruketeeswaram near Mahatitha; Munneswaram
dominating Salawatte and the pearl fishery; Tondeswaram near Mantota;
Tirkoneswaram near the great bay of Kottiyar and Nakuleswaram near
Kankesanturai. Their situation close to these ports cannot be the result
of accident or caprice and was probably determined by the concourse of a
wealthy mercantile population whose religious wants called for
attention... ' (Paul E. Pieris: Nagadipa and Buddhist Remains in Jaffna
: Journal of Royal Asiatic Society, Ceylon Branch Vol.28)
For further knowledge go to:
http://tamilnation.org/heritage.htm
rana...@my-dejanews.com
>
Sad, isn't it sakillie?
While those representing Sri Lanka in this NG fight Eelam bullshit with facts,
ratified figure and under the Lion flag....the only thing sakillies can do is
throw insults.
Sakillie if you are incapable of answering UB's post with logic please print
out a copy of this and take it to your leaders...that way last least all your
blackie jaffna educated brains might have a chance of putting together a
decent lie!
RANA VIRU
---------------------
HELA JATHIKA ABIMANNE!
rana...@my-dejanews.com
"Tina Gunawardhana" <Tina.Gun...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
These Jaffasonians have a real problem with private parts. Have you seen
there relgious events....filled with this kind of phalic symbolism...they
swim in rivers of "sperm".
Although the Eelam men talk big about lingams and what not....most tamil women
prefer fair sinhala soldiers...this is a fact! Have you read the Uni. Teacher
Associations report, they have requested tamil women to show retraint....but
who can resist a VICTORIOUS LION....OR A KNIGHT IN SHINING ARMOUR AS THEY SAY!
nm58
lacorti wrote:
> The truth is that the Tamils were in Sri Lanka long before the North
> Indian invaders. Below you may read the facts from Paul E. Pieris, and
> he was clearly referring to Tamils. They were living there at the time,
> and your assertion that the Aryans were in Tamil Nadu before the Tamils
> is nothing more than political rubbish.
>
> ..it stands to reason that a country which was only thirty miles from
> India and which would have been seen by Indian fisherman every morning
> as they sailed out to catch their fish,would have been occupied as soon
> as the continent was peopled by men who understood how to sail... Long
> before the arrival of Prince Vijaya, there were in Sri Lanka five
> recognised isvarams of Siva which claimed and received the adoration of
> all India. These were Tiruketeeswaram near Mahatitha; Munneswaram
> dominating Salawatte and the pearl fishery; Tondeswaram near Mantota;
> Tirkoneswaram near the great bay of Kottiyar and Nakuleswaram near
> Kankesanturai. Their situation close to these ports cannot be the result
> of accident or caprice and was probably determined by the concourse of a
> wealthy mercantile population whose religious wants called for
> attention... ' (Paul E. Pieris: Nagadipa and Buddhist Remains in Jaffna
> : Journal of Royal Asiatic Society, Ceylon Branch Vol.28)
>
> For further knowledge go to:
he he he he he he
More fairy stories.
Where does Pieris say that he was referring to Tamils.
Pieris was referring to Veddahs and pre-Veddha periods as you get Veddahs in both Sri Lanka and Tamil
Nadu, but both Peiris and all the other historians know that Tamil settlements in Sri Lanka only date
upto the 9th century.
You don;t have ONE SHRED of evidence or a SINGLE statement from an Acedemic Tamil historian to support
your garbage........
Excerpts from Karthigesu Indrapala’s Phd thesis, University of London 1965.
Karthigesu Indrapala was the former professor of history at the University of Ceylon, Jaffna campus.
.
Until the ninth century, with the exception of the megalithic
remains of Pomparippu and the possible exception of those of
Katiraveli, there is no definite evidence regarding any Dravidian
settlement in the island. (page 51)
No definite evidence regarding any significant Tamil settlement
in the Batticaloa district of the Eastern Province, which is now
a predominantly Tamil area, or in other parts of Southern
Ceylon has so far come to light. It is possible that there were
some Tamil settlers in the Batticaloa district for, from the
thirteenth century onwards, we get archaeological, epigraphic
and literary evidence pointing to Tamil settlements in the area.
(page 233)
It may be recollected that several writers on the history of
Jaffna, basing their studies on the traditional legends found in
the late Tamil chronicles, have put forward certain theories
claiming the establishment of Tamil settlements in Jaffna in the
period of the Anuradhapura rulers. These theories are not
accepted by serious students of history as they are not based
on trustworthy data. Many of these have been convincingly
dismissed by scholars in recent years. It is therefore, not our
intention to analyse these theories and take serious notice of
writings which at best could be described as popular. (page
266)
Jaffna peninsula does not help us to know anything about the
identity of the people who lived there in the pre-christian
centuries. The Pali chronicle informs us that the port of
Jambukola (Camputturai), on the eastern coast of the
peninsula, was the main port of embarkation to Tamralipti in
Eastern India from at least the time of Devanampiya Tissa (
250-210 B.C.). The two embassies from the island to the court
of Asoka embarked on their voyage from Jambukola.
Sangamitta arrived with the Bo-sapling at this port. The
Samudda-panna-sala, commemorating the arrival of the Bo
sapling, and the Jambukola Vihara were built there by
Devanampiya Tissa. These facts only reveal that the northern
most part of the island was under the suzerainty of the
Anuradhapura king in the third century B.C. and that Buddhism
had begun to spread by that time in that part of the island as in
the other parts. But it is in the second century AD that we get
some evidence regarding the people living there. The language
of the gold plate inscription from Vallipuram, the earliest
epigraphic record discovered in the Jaffna peninsula, is the
early form of Sinhalese, in which inscriptions of the time in
other parts of the island were written. This may suggest that
the Sinhalese were settled in the Jaffna peninsula, or in some
parts at least, in the second century A.D. There were perhaps
Tamil traders in the port of Jambukola but there is no evidence
that points to Tamil settlements in the peninsula. (page 268)
The gold plate from Vallipuram reveals that there were
buddhists in that part of the peninsula in the second century
A.D. At the site of this inscription the foundations of a buddhist
vihara were uncovered. These foundations are in the premises
of a modern Visnu temple. There is little doubt that the Visnu
temple was the original Buddhist monument converted in to a
Vaisnava establishment at a later date when Tamils settled in
the area. Such conversion of Buddhist establishments into
Saiva and Vaisnava temples seems to have been a common
phenomenon in the peninsula after it was settled by Dravidians.
In the premises of another Visnu temple at Moolai were
discovered some ‘vestiges of ancient remains of walls’ and a
broken sedent Buddha image. Again in a Saiva temple at
mahiyapitti a Buddha image was found under a stone step in
the temple tank. A lime-stone Buddha image and the remains
of an ancient dagaba were unearthed at Nilavarai, in Navakiri.
Among the debris were two sculptured fragments of shaped
coral stones with a stone railing design. According to
D.T.Devendra, who conducted the excavation at this site, the
dagaba can be dated at least to the tenth century A.D. Near
these ruins are the foundations of an ancient building and in the
middle of these is a modern Siva temple.It has been
conjectured, and rightly so, that the old foundations are those
of the vihara attached to the ancient dagaba. Buddha images
have also been discovered in Uduvil, Kantarodai and Jaffna
town. Kantarodai has yielded very important Buddhist finds
which prove the existence of an important Buddhist
establishment in the region in early times. Such artifacts as the
glazed tiles and the circular discs discovered here have helped
to connect the finds with those of Anuradhapura. The
Sinhala
Nampota, dated in its present form to the fourteenth or fifteenth
century, preserves the names of some of the places of
Buddhist worship in the Jaffna peninsula.Kantarodai is
mentioned among these places. The others are Nagakovila
(Nakarkovil), Telipola (Tellippalai), Mallagama (Mallakam),
Minuvangomu Viharaya (Vimankamam), Tannidivayina(Tana-tivu
or Kayts), Nagadivayina (Nakativu or Nayinativu),
Puvangudivayina (Punkutu-tivu) and Karadivayina (Karaitivu). Of
the Buddhist establishments in these places only the vihara
and Dagaba at Nakativu has survived to this day. It is justifiable
to assume that the Nampota list dates back to a time when the
Buddhist establishments of these places were well known
centres of worship. This was probably before the thirteenth
century, for after this date the people of the Jaffna peninsula
were mainly Saivas. The foregoing evidence points to the
inevitable conclusion that in the Anuradhapura period, and
possibly till about the twelfth century, there were Buddhists in
the jaffna peninsula.Although it may appear reasonable to
presume that these buddhists were Sinhalese like those in
other parts of the island, some have tried to argue that they
were Tamils. While it is true that there were Tamil Buddhists in
South India and Ceylon before the twelfth century and possibly
even later, there is evidence to show that the Buddhists who
occupied the Jaffna peninsula in the Anuradhapura period were
Sinhalese. We refer to the toponymic evidence which
unmistakably points to the presence of Sinhala settlers in the
peninsula before Tamils settled there. In an area of only about
nine hundred square miles covered by this peninsula, there
occur over a thousand Sinhalese place names which have
survived in a Tamil garb. (page 270-273)
The Yalppana-vaipava-malai, the Tamil chronicle of Jaffna,
confirms this when it states that there were Sinhalese people in
Jaffna at the time of the first tamil colonisation of the area.
Secondly, the survival of Sinhalese elements in the local
nomenclature indicates a slow and peaceful penetration of
Tamils in the area rather than violent occupation. This is in
contrast with the evidence of the place names of the North
Central Province, where Sinhalese names have been largely
replaced by tamil names. The large percentage of Sinhalese
element and the occurrence of Sinhala and Tamil compounds
in the place names of Jaffna point to a long survival of the
Sinhala population and an intimate intercourse between them
and the Tamils. This is also, borne out by the retention of some
territorial names, like Valikamam ( Sinh. Valigama) and
Maracci (Maracci-rata), which points to the retention of the old
territorial divisions and tell strongly against wholesale
extermination or displacement of the Sinhalese population..
(page 276)
The earliest evidence regarding the presence of Tamils in the
Jaffna peninsula is possibly the Tamil inscription of Parakrama
bahu I (1153-1186) from Nainativu. We have seen earlier that till
about the ninth century our evidence points to minor
settlements of Tamils in such important ports as Mahatittha
(Mannar) and Gokanna (Trincomalee) as well as in
Anuradhapura, where there was a considerable number of
mercenary soldiers. In the ninth and tenth centuries some
villages in Rajarattha seem to have accommodated Tamil
settlers but these were by no means numerous.It seems
unlikely that there were many Tamil settlers in the Jaffna
peninsula or in any part of the island other than the major ports
and the capital city before the tenth century. As we stated
earlier, there were perhaps some Tamil traders in the ports of
Jambukola and Uratota, in the Jaffna peninsula. But we have no
evidence on this point.. (page 282)
The Sanskrit inscription from Trincomalee, discovered among
the ruins of the Konesvaram temple, refers to a personage
named Cadaganga who went to Ceylon in 1223. Paranavitana
has identified this person with Kulakkottan. The inscription is
fragmentary and is engraved on a part of a stone door jamb.
Among the decipherable words is the name Gokarna, the
ancient name of Trincomalee and the root from which the name
of the temple is derived (Gokarnesvara). (page 331)
In the Tamil Vanni districts only a few Dravidian style Saiva
temples of the thirteenth century have been found, Among
these the temples at Tirukkovil, Kapuralla, and
nallatanni-irakkam and the Saiva remains at Uruttirapuram and
Kuruntanur are notable. These certainly indicate the existence
of Tamil settlements in those places in the thirteenth century.
But monumental remains of a different type attest to the
destruction wrought by the invaders and the conversion of
Buddhist institutions into places of saiva worship, effected by
the new settlers, thus confirming the statements in the Sinhala
sources. The many scattered ruins of Buddhist monasteries
and temples all over the vanni region preserve the memory of
the Sinhalese Buddhist settlements that once covered these
parts. Several of the pilimages (image houses) attached to the
monasteries in places like Kovilkadu, Malikai, Omantai,
Kanakarayan-kulam, Iracentiran-kulam, Cinnappuvaracankulam
and Madukanda were converted into Saiva temples, often
dedicated to Ganesa. Buddha images or inscribed slabs from
the Buddhist structures were used to make the Ganesa
statues.(J.P.Lewis, Manual of the Vanni Districts, pp .297,
303-306, 311) A number of small Saiva shrines have been
found in association with Buddhist remains. The destruction of
several of the Buddhist edifices and the conversion of pilimages
into Saiva temples may have begun at the time of Magha. In
the North Central Province, too , we find evidence of such
activities. On Minneriya Road, close to Polonnaruwa, were
discovered a few Saiva edifices which were built of materials
from Buddhist structures. A door jamb from one of the Saiva
shrines there was found to bear part of an inscription of
Parakramabahu I. A broken pillar shaft with Sinhalese writing of
the tenth century was recovered from the enclosing wall of
another shrine. In one of the Visnu temples of Polonnaruwa,
fragments of Nissanka malla’s stone inscriptions were found. In
the same place, two fragments of a broken pillar with Sinhalese
writing of about the tenth century served as steps to one of the
Vaisnava shrines. A pillar in the mandapa of Siva Devale No.5
at Polonnaruwa was discovered with a Sinhala inscription of the
eleventh century on it. In Siva Devale No.7 a square stone
asana with an inscription of Nissanka malla was used as a
base for a linga. Another of the Saiva shrines unearthed at
Polonnaruwa yielded a pillar with a Sinhalese inscription of
Jayabahu I. These examples leave us in no doubt that
materials from Buddhist structures were used in the building of
Saiva and Vaisnava temples. The date of most inscriptions
found on the pillars and slabs is the twelfth century. The date of
the construction of these Saiva and Vaisnava shrines is
certainly later than that. (page 361-364)
The invasion of Magha with the help of Kerala and Tamil
mercenaries was far more violent than the earlier invasions. Its
chief importance lies in the fact that it led to the permanent
dislodgement of Sinhalese power from northern Ceylon, the
confiscation by Tamils and Keralas of lands and properties
belonging to the Sinhalese and the consequent migration of the
official class and many of the common people to the south
western regions. (page 395-396)
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lacorti wrote:
> Today Kosovo - Tommorow Eelam
Everyone in the world can find Kosovo in any word map.
Nobody can find Eelam in any map because it is a fairy story made up by
a bunch of land robbers who have colonised Sinhala homelands from
starving Tamil Nadu.
Umberto Gui
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Two policemen beheaded
Terrorists had beheaded two policemen who were killed in an attack
north of Kovitkulam in the Murunkan area
on Friday morning, police said yesterday.
They were among eight personnel who died when terrorists exploded
two claymore mines around 7.30 am and
then engaged the route road clearing patrol with small arms. Police
reinforcements had found bodies of four
personnel including those who have been beheaded. However bodies of
four others had not been found.
Two personnel were wounded in the attack, the most serious
terrorist strike on the Vavuniya-Mannar main road
since the completion of the first two phases of operation 'battle
cry' which brought a large area in the Mannar
district under government control.
The military said that terrorists had stepped up attacks on their
positions in the Mannar district, the scene of
current increased armed forces activity.
In separate incidents also in the Wanni region, troops last Friday
killed at least five terrorists. Of them, two died
when troops operating west of Periyamadu attacked a terrorist
vehicle carrying fuel and food items in the
afternoon.
Umberto Gui
ETHNIC CLENSING.
Throughout history Tamil political leaderships have followed a policy of
ethnically cleansing Sinhalese and Muslims from the North and the East,
after having Tamilised thousands of Sinhala place names in these areas.
(Weligama to Weligamam, Maracci Rata to Thena Maracci and Vada Maracci,
Kudathana to Kudathanai, Sangathana to Sangathanai etc..etc….there are
over a thousand in Jaffna alone.)
Page 382 of Ancient Jaffna by Mudaliyar C Rasanayagam states.. "After
the massacre of the Christians, Sankili's ( king of Jaffna) insane fury
longed for more victims and he fell upon the Buddhists of Jaffna who
were all Sinhalese. He expelled them beyond the limits of the country
and destroyed their numerous places of worship. Most of them betook
themselves to the Vanni's and the Kandyan territories (as per Yalpana
Vaipava Malai
by Mailvagana Pulavar translated by C Brito.), and those who were unable
to do so became the slaves of the Tamil chieftains and are now known as
'Kovia', a corruption of the Sinhalese word ' Goviya' or 'Goiya' and
that their original status was equal to that of the Vellalas can be
inferred from customs which are still in Vogue in Jaffna."
The Sinhalese, who were the original inhabitants of Jaffna, (Page 384 of
Ancient Jaffna) have been systematically ethnically cleansed by the
Tamils over a period of time, and in the 1990’s the remaining Sinhalese
and Muslims were given 24 hours to pack their bags and leave by the
liberator of Tamils, Velupillai. ( See US State Department, Human Rights
report on Sri Lanka).
I was not at all surprised to read in the press last week, that the so
called democratic Tamil political parties of Sri Lanka had all met in a
Colombo Hotel and agreed to demand from the government that no Sinhalese
be settled in Jaffna, in the Palaly base expansion scheme and that
Sinhalese settlements in Trincomalee be dismantled.
The present democratic and non-democratic Tamil leaderships are very
keen that the ethnic cleansing carried out by their leaderships, past
and present is entrenched. They have opposed any attempts by
governments to reverse the ethnic cleansing, and to ensure that all Sri
Lankas provinces reflect the multi-cultural nature of the country. The
goal of the Tamil politician, democratic and non-democratic, is to carve
out an ethnically pure Tamil enclave.
They oppose the settlement of Sinhalese and Muslims by stating that they
object to "State aided colonisation" but are in favour of natural
migration of Sinhalese and Muslims into these areas.
They are over-looking the fact that an overwhelming majority of Tamils
in Sri Lanka today, are here as a result of "state aided colonisation".
>From the 16th century onwards, millions of Tamils were the
beneficiaries
of "state aided colonisation", as three European Colonial powers (
Portuguese, Dutch, British) transported and encouraged millions of
Tamils to immigrate to Sri Lanka from South India to work in the,
Tobacco plantations of Jaffna, Mannar Pearl Fishery, Cinnamon
plantations, Fishing and coastal settlements to enhance European
Colonial security against Kandy (page 152 History of Sri Lanka, vol II,
Uni. Of Peredeniya) , Rubber plantations of Sri Lanka and Malaya, Coffee
plantations, Tea plantations etc.
Today, the descendants of the greatest beneficiaries of "state aided
Colonisation" in South Asia are opposing "state aided Colonisation" for
the 75% majority in Sri Lanka.
Umberto Gui
pallavan
Sinhalese too were hindus before Buddhists!
You better read the first census of Jaffna by Simon Cassie Chitty. You
will find a group of people called MADAPAALLIS who were the majority and
16% of the Jaffna population.
Within 170 years Jaffna man fucked up his own history and now no talks
of Madapallis! Who are these Madapallis? Where are they now? Can you
tell these madapallis were Tamils?
lacorti wrote:
>
> The truth is that the Tamils were in Sri Lanka long before the North
> Indian invaders. Below you may read the facts from Paul E. Pieris, and
> he was clearly referring to Tamils. They were living there at the time,
> and your assertion that the Aryans were in Tamil Nadu before the Tamils
> is nothing more than political rubbish.
>
> ..it stands to reason that a country which was only thirty miles from
> India and which would have been seen by Indian fisherman every morning
> as they sailed out to catch their fish,would have been occupied as soon
> as the continent was peopled by men who understood how to sail... Long
> before the arrival of Prince Vijaya, there were in Sri Lanka five
> recognised isvarams of Siva which claimed and received the adoration of
> all India. These were Tiruketeeswaram near Mahatitha; Munneswaram
> dominating Salawatte and the pearl fishery; Tondeswaram near Mantota;
> Tirkoneswaram near the great bay of Kottiyar and Nakuleswaram near
> Kankesanturai. Their situation close to these ports cannot be the result
> of accident or caprice and was probably determined by the concourse of a
> wealthy mercantile population whose religious wants called for
> attention... ' (Paul E. Pieris: Nagadipa and Buddhist Remains in Jaffna
> : Journal of Royal Asiatic Society, Ceylon Branch Vol.28)
>
> For further knowledge go to:
>
pallavan
Kalutara, Sengadagala, Panadura, Nalluruwa, Wennapuwa, Puttalm,
Moratuwa, Bentara, Ambantota, Colombo, Kuliyapitiya, Kurunagala,
Nattandiya, Hettipola, Kollupittiya, Minneriya, Mulleriyawa, Negombo and
many more?
Nobody did a research on the place names of Sinhalised Tamil names of
places in south Sri Lanka. Without explaining or do any research on the
all names of places, you cannot talk about your politically motivated
tom foolery!
Not only place names but also many lakhs of Sinhalese have names of
south Indian origin!
Kandy is now renamed as MAHA NUWARA. This happened within last two
decades! Who are doing ehnic cleansing?
Remember that in Jaffna no body changed the names of places, like Kandy
to Maha Nuwara!
Umberto Gui
pallavan wrote:
> You talk about the place names of Jaffna only. What about Kandy, Matara,
> Kalutara, Sengadagala, Panadura, Nalluruwa, Wennapuwa, Puttalm,
> Moratuwa, Bentara, Ambantota, Colombo, Kuliyapitiya, Kurunagala,
> Nattandiya, Hettipola, Kollupittiya, Minneriya, Mulleriyawa, Negombo and
> many more?
>
> Nobody did a research on the place names of Sinhalised Tamil names of
> places in south Sri Lanka. Without explaining or do any research on the
> all names of places, you cannot talk about your politically motivated
> tom foolery!
>
> Not only place names but also many lakhs of Sinhalese have names of
> south Indian origin!
>
> Kandy is now renamed as MAHA NUWARA. This happened within last two
> decades! Who are doing ehnic cleansing?
>
> Remember that in Jaffna no body changed the names of places, like Kandy
> to Maha Nuwara!
I just don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Are you trying to tell me that Kandy was the original name?
Kandy is an English shortened form for Kande Uda Rata. (Country On top of
hill) as Colombo is shortened English for Colonthota.
The Portuguese called it Candia and it later became Kandy.
As Sri Lanka became Zei-lan then Zeilan then Ceilan then Ceylon...The "Cey" is
"Sri" and the "lon" is Lanka.
Remember, I collect antiqueirian maps of Sri Lanka and the oldest I have dates
back to 1475 and you can clearly see the changes in place names.
As for Tamil place names in the South, there are many and research has been
carried out by many who have commented and they all state that these Tamil
place names are originated from the Chola conquest of Sri Lanka.
Have a read..... start from where it states THIS IS IN CONTRAST....
Excerpts from Karthigesu Indrapala’s Phd thesis, University of London 1965.
Karthigesu Indrapala was the former professor of history at the University of
Ceylon, Jaffna campus.
The Yalppana-vaipava-malai, the Tamil chronicle of Jaffna,
bal...@my-dejanews.com
"Tina Gunawardhana" <Tina.Gun...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
Leave it to the sick, perverted Sinhalas to post this crap. Why don't you get
an education and stop giving Sri Lankans a bad name.
pa...@my-dejanews.com
one has to make an extra effort to give the sakkily Tamils a bad name: they
are born with bad names along with the rest of the bad things. Tamils
themselves say "Thamulalum shari peeing shari" meaning Tamils = Shit. You
can worry about the blackies in the Thamil Nattu. There are enough of us to
safeguard the good name of the Sinhala people in Sinhala Deshaya - Sri Lanka.
Parakrama
In article <7e9b3a$pnr$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Umberto Gui
bal...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <01be7d56$e1b138a0$db2b63c3@tinaguna>,
> "Tina Gunawardhana" <Tina.Gun...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > pa...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <7e2v04$npl$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > > Oye Shithead BAnanayakkara,
> > > Why dont go round the back and lick her arse. After all that is what
> > you
> > > blackies do, until you gain a foothold, is'it it?
> > >
> > > Filthy bastard,
> > >
> > > Parakrama
> > >
> > > nanayakkara...... you sound like the fist four letters of your name
> > NANA.... are you going bananas too....... Why are you asking umberto if
> > he is licking tina's cunt? Why are you without a meenachchi's cunt to
> > lick????? you must be wanking off fast and furious that you must be having
> > blisters on your palms...... You are a sad pathetic person who has no
> > manners at all..... You are worried about others sex life why don't you get
> > a life and get a woman one that you do not have to pay for.... after all
> > the sunday Island of 21.3.99 carried an article saying that there were SRI
> > LANKAN prostitutes..... get one the meenachchis sent by the LTTE to suck
> > dick and earn money for the LTTE. You worry about your sex life and Umberto
> > will look after his!
> > > >
> >
>
> Leave it to the sick, perverted Sinhalas to post this crap. Why don't you get
> an education and stop giving Sri Lankans a bad name.
Sri Lanka does not have a bad name. Over half a million tourists are coming to
Sri Lanka every year.
It is the black coolies who have a bad name and is banned and treated as garbage
by the world. Even the South Indians hate the filthy black coolies of Sri Lanka
and they are kept in special camps, not even allowed education facilities in
local schools, because they fear that Jaffna filth might pollute the South
Indians.
Umberto Gui
someone
nanayakkara wrote:
> I bet you were trying ply your trade.
Huh?
> It didn't work.
Trying to say something?
> So Kalu balla you have lost.
I don't know what he has lost. Care to explain?
> How is Tina's cunt? Are you keeping it wet by licking it regularly?
God that is so funny. I think you must have been a bit intimidated. Nothing
else to say except this? hmmmmmmmm........even though Umberto may not be
choicy in his words. He sure got the better of you this time eh?
someone
pallavan wrote:
Before also i wrote these matters to you!Calm down. you're raving.Fuck you!
Malaya Rata was the original name for the hill country!
Do you know the MALAYA?
You read Portugese versions with knowing nothing. Even the Protugese
wrote Candia close to Kandy, No present day mahaNuwara, idiot, not Kanda
Uda rate!I also have many maps of the all days. i went to Lisbon and Amstardom
and collected many old maps.So don't fuck your Sinhala only theory hery!
If any other Sinhalese have any ideas on this matter, please respond!
You now a white bastard and No Sri lankan is a white. So, I belive you
have a colonial mixed blood and going in a wrong direction!Prof. K. Indrapala and others dealt only about Jaffna not about other
areas of Sri lanka!If you claim a single fellow who did a research about the place names of
South Sri lanka, tell who and who did them! Which book contain those
researchs?
Don't bark like sakkili theevu dogs of their Eelam!
I cannot believe this. You are trying to say that the whole of Sri Lanka was colonised by the Tamils before the Sinhalese?
hold on.
Let me catch my breath.
This has to be it. Is there no limit to your story telling?
Look. No matter what you say, The Sinhalese have the Mahavamsa. "But it's biased!!!!!" you cry - but hey at least it's SOMETHING very old that has FACTUAL CONTENT.
The Sinhalese have literature as well as archaeological evidence to prove that they have been inhabiting the land since ancient times. What do the Tamils have? No Literary evidence and NO monuments whatsoever. Don't groan and moan because both you and I know it is the truth. Name one archaeological find on the island that is more that 2000 years old that points to a great Tamil kingdom - where are the palaces? where are the temples? Please....you try to sound like a learned person but you're not really - are you?
Maha Nuwara means great city in Sinhala - literally - meaning it is used in every day conversation. Sinhalese don't say "I'm going to KANDY' they say "I'm going to Nuwara" when they speak in Sinhala. If you don't believe me learn Sinhala.
Even if it was called Malaya Rata as you claim, I would like
to point out to you that Rata means 'country' in Sinhala. Not only in ancient
Sinhala but in today's as well. Could you please explain what "Rata" means
in Tamil?
someone
> Read the more uptodate publishings. here is something for you to follow up.
> In the following archeological survey Dr. K.
> Indrapala provided evidence of Tamil
> civilization in Anaikkoddai as early as second
> century B.C.
>
> He said about the Anaikkottai Seal he found as follows:
> " The inscription on the seal is deeply indited
> and well preserved. The second line of the
> inscription is clearly in Brahmi of about the
> third or second century B.C. It consists of
> three letters and an anusvara ("pu/li" = dot).
> So Kalu balla
> what do you say now?
NEWSFLASH - ancient Sinhala was written in the Brahmi script!!!! Read an
Encyclopaedia.......
someone
pallavan wrote:
> I dont!
OK - so you agree with what the Mahavamsa says? Totally?
>
>
> - but hey at least it's SOMETHING very old
> > that has FACTUAL CONTENT.
> >
> > The Sinhalese have literature as well as archaeological evidence to
> > prove that they have been inhabiting the land since ancient times.
> > What do the Tamils have? No Literary evidence and NO monuments
> > whatsoever. Don't groan and moan because both you and I know it is the
> > truth. Name one archaeological find on the island that is more that
> > 2000 years old that points to a great Tamil kingdom - where are the
> > palaces? where are the temples? Please....you try to sound like a
> > learned person but you're not really - are you?
>
> How many Tamil literature you are aware about?
None. Exactly - that's why there is NO literary evidence.
> > Maha Nuwara means great city in Sinhala - literally - meaning it is
> > used in every day conversation. Sinhalese don't say "I'm going to
> > KANDY' they say "I'm going to Nuwara" when they speak in Sinhala. If
> > you don't believe me learn Sinhala.
> This is a prove that the Sinhalese are forign to KANDY!
Uh huh - and in what way? If you didn't know. Sinhalese consider the
Sinhalese from Kandy as somewhat snobbish because they are meant to be the
'purest' Sinhalese. Like Jaffna Tamils...
> I know well about Sinhala and Tamil, but you know only Sinhala. This is
> your trouble!
Really? then can you tell me the names of any Sinhala books you have read?
> > Even if it was called Malaya Rata as you claim, I would like to point
> > out to you that Rata means 'country' in Sinhala. Not only in ancient
> > Sinhala but in today's as well. Could you please explain what "Rata"
> > means in Tamil?
> Why did you forget MALAYA?
Remember - it's you who CLAIMS that there was such a thing...