pyar hua chupke se??????
SUDHARSHAN SANTHANAM
I think the song Pyar Hua Chupke Se from the Hit movie 1942-ALS is again a
copy, but this time its from an old Hindi song. Though I like the song very
much, it is a clean lift from an old song with some work on the latest
version.
The Original song goes like this...
Panna Ki tamana hey ke heera mujhe miljaye.....
chahe mere jaan jaye chahe mera dil jaye...... ( movie: Heera Panna sung by
Kishore Kumar and Lata Mangeshkar).
Actually Pyar hua chupke se starts like this..
Kyu lage... blah blah
I am sure both are based on the same Rag. can anybody identify the Rag.
Or is there anybody who can prove it wrong. Reasonable criticism is
most welcome
KEDAR S NAPHADE
>Hi netters
>I think the song Pyar Hua Chupke Se from the Hit movie 1942-ALS is again a
>copy, but this time its from an old Hindi song. Though I like the song very
>much, it is a clean lift from an old song with some work on the latest
>version.
>
>The Original song goes like this...
>Panna Ki tamana hey ke heera mujhe miljaye.....
>chahe mere jaan jaye chahe mera dil jaye...... ( movie: Heera Panna sung by
>Kishore Kumar and Lata Mangeshkar).
I beg to disagree with the opinion that "Pyaar hua chhupke se" is in any way similar to "Panna ki tamanna". Panna ki Tamanna has all "komal" (flat) notes in the first line, on the other hand, Pyaar hua chhupkese is almost fully "shuddha" or sharp notes. I do not remember the whole tune of Panna ki tamanna beyond the first two lines, and it is likely that there may be *some* similarity in later lines in both the songs, but the newer one is definitely not merely lifted.
>I am sure both are based on the same Rag. can anybody identify the Rag.
>Or is there anybody who can prove it wrong. Reasonable criticism is
>most welcome
The mukhdaas are *just* not alike and most certainly not from the same raga. Panna ki tamanna could be *loosely* classified as being close to Bhairavi (1st line only) and Paar huaa chhupkese is in its' second line, more like Des (the second line - "maine badal me suni" goes Sa Re Ma Pa Ni Ni Sa ). though the song overall is not really based on any raga at all.
Criticism, comments , corrections and differences of opinion
are welcome.
- Kedar
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All problems of existence are essentially problems of harmonium.
Neha Desai
>In aasx.69....@ie.twsu.edu>, sant...@ie.twsu.edu (SUDHARSHAN SANTHANAM) writes:
>
> I beg to disagree with the opinion that "Pyaar hua chhupke se" is in any way similar to "Panna ki tamanna". Panna ki Tamanna has all "komal" (flat) notes in the first line, on the other hand, Pyaar hua chhupkese is almost fully "shuddha" or sharp notes. I do not remember the whole tune of Panna ki tamanna beyond the first two lines, and it is likely that there may be *some* similarity in later lines in both the songs, but the newer one is definitely not merely lifted.
o.k let me point out where i found resemblance in the two songs..
in the 1942-als song..
kyun naye lag rahe hain ye dharti gagan...
in the heera-panna song...
heera tou pehle hi kisi aur ka ho chuka
in fact on the first hearing only u can make out the difference,...
it is very noticable if u have heard both the songs..
>
>>I am sure both are based on the same Rag. can anybody identify the Rag.
>>Or is there anybody who can prove it wrong. Reasonable criticism is
>>most welcome
--
neha
grad student
dept of mech and indl engg
uni. of manitoba
Rajan Purshottam Parrikar
>In aasx.69....@ie.twsu.edu>, sant...@ie.twsu.edu (SUDHARSHAN SANTHANAM) writes:
>>Hi netters
>>I think the song Pyar Hua Chupke Se from the Hit movie 1942-ALS is again a
>>copy, but this time its from an old Hindi song. Though I like the song very
>>much, it is a clean lift from an old song with some work on the latest
>>version.
>>
>>The Original song goes like this...
>>Panna Ki tamana hey ke heera mujhe miljaye.....
>>chahe mere jaan jaye chahe mera dil jaye...... ( movie: Heera Panna sung by
>>Kishore Kumar and Lata Mangeshkar).
> I beg to disagree with the opinion that "Pyaar hua chhupke se"
>is in any way similar to "Panna ki tamanna".
I quite agree. But...
>Panna ki Tamanna has all
>"komal" (flat) notes in the first line, on the other hand, Pyaar hua
>chhupkese is almost fully "shuddha" or sharp notes. I do not remember
Namashkaar, Kedar.
You get those komal notes because you have referenced it to a different
Sa (tonic). In the Panna ki tamanna song there is no ambiguity of the
tonic and we get all shuddha swaras if the Sa is correctly referenced
as follows:
Line 1: panna ki tammanna etc ---> G M M G G M M G G N etc etc
Line 2: chahe meri jaan jaaye ---> R G G R R G G R etc etc
A komal nishad kicks in now on " oie lo ra ra ru ru "
P n D P
>the whole tune of Panna ki tamanna beyond the first two lines, and it
>is likely that there may be *some* similarity in later lines in both
>the songs, but the newer one is definitely not merely lifted.
Quite true. My suspicion is that the original poster finds the antaraa
line of Panna ki tamanna and the second line of the 1942 song (I don't
know the words) somewhat congruent and with good reason. Let's see:
heera to pehle hi kisi aur` can be stripped to
S" N S". n D n . D P D .
which is exactly the same pattern of the 1942 second line, whence
the original suggestion of "copy."
Rajan Parrikar
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KEDAR S NAPHADE
This an apology for the rather emphatic posting I wrote earlier. Whenever a song is lifted from another, usually one can regonize that in the mukhdaa itself. Though the mukhdaas of pyaar hua chhupke se and panna ki tamanna are quite different, there indeed is a strong similarity between the antara - "heera to pehle hi kisi... " and the first line of pyaar hua chhupke se, as Neha pointed out. At the time I wrote the posting I did not recollect the antara of
Panna ki Tamanna, and hence found no similarity between the songs. Also in my opinion, the correct "sa" becomes obvious only in the antara, not merely by the first line of Panna ki Tamanna, which is why i referenced a wrong sa. However, it is still quite clear that the songs are not identical.
I hope I did not offend anybody with that hasty posting. Guess I should be more careful in the future :-((
Regards,
Aniruddha Deglurkar
> - Kedar
I think, Sudarshan is talking about the tune in which "pyaar hua chupke.."
starts and the tune in which Kishore sings the first line of every
para(right word?) for "panna ki tamanna....".
to be explicit.....the tune for
"kyun naye lag rahein hain ye dharti gagan......"
RHYMES with
"heera to pehle se kisi aur ka ho chuka....."
Both composed by RD. But, that is not enough to qualify "pyaar hua ..."
as a copy of the other.
-Ani
Neha Desai
>Namaste Rajan, Sudarshan, Neha and everybody else,
>
> This an apology for the rather emphatic posting I wrote earlier. Whenever a song is lifted from another, usually one can regonize that in the mukhdaa itself. Though the mukhdaas of pyaar hua chhupke se and panna ki tamanna are quite different, there indeed is a strong similarity between the antara - "heera to pehle hi kisi... " and the first line of pyaar hua chhupke se, as Neha pointed out. At the time I wrote the posting I did not recollect the antara of
> Panna ki Tamanna, and hence found no similarity between the songs. Also in my opinion, the correct "sa" becomes obvious only in the antara, not merely by the first line of Panna ki Tamanna, which is why i referenced a wrong sa. However, it is still quite clear that the songs are not identical.
>
> I hope I did not offend anybody with that hasty posting. Guess I should be more careful in the future :-((
>
OH MY GOD!!!
WHAT WAS THAT!!!
KEDAR...WHY AN APOLOGY..
???
U THOT OF SOMETHING U WROTE IT..
I THOT OF SOMETHING I WROTE IT..
YAAR...DISCUSSION HI TOU CHAL RAHA THA..USME YE SERIOUS MAIL KAHAN SE
AA GAYI