How Do North Indians Percieve Tamils?
t_n_so...@hotmail.com
I was just quite curious. How do North Indians percieve Tamil people? One of
my friends (whose Tamil) has a couple of Northern roommates. On one hand,
one of his roommates commented that Tamils only speak in their language when
they are around other Tamils. However, the irony is this: whenever this
Northern guy is with his buddies, guess what language they only speak in?
That's hypocritical.
Another thing, one of the Northern guys bragged that Tamil and all other South
Indian languages come from Marati, while Urdu and Hindi come from Sanskrit.
Pardon me, but I thought that Tamil is older than Hindi and Marati?
Finally, I also believe that some Northerners have been brain washed in
believing that they are the descendents of "Swiss people." No lie. One of
these roommates mentioned to this guy that Northerners are descended from
Europeans from Switzerland. I almost laughed, but was too angry to.
Finally, I do know of a few instances where the North Indians respect the
Tamils brain power. North Indians, who are quite sharp themselves, regard
Tamils and other Southerners as being the cream of the cream.
Are South Indians regarded as greedy? Enterprising? Kind? Gentle?
Extremists? Mean? Unloyal? Inferior? Superior? Smart? Stupid?
Thank you very much,
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>
>Northern guy is with his buddies, guess what language they only speak in?
>That's hypocritical.
He speaks in a language that you hate, moron, thats all.
>Another thing, one of the Northern guys bragged that Tamil and all other South
>Indian languages come from Marati, while Urdu and Hindi come from Sanskrit.
>Pardon me, but I thought that Tamil is older than Hindi and Marati?
Somali is older than Tamil, so ????? Moron.
>Finally, I also believe that some Northerners have been brain washed in
>believing that they are the descendents of "Swiss people." No lie.
And all Tamils are brainwashed in beleiving that they are correct in whatever
they say. Has someone told them they look and act like greedy opportunistic pigs
?
>One of
>these roommates mentioned to this guy that Northerners are descended from
>Europeans from Switzerland. I almost laughed, but was too angry to.
You won't have the guts to laugh in front of a North Indian. He will kick your
filthy butt and send you to Mars if he finds you laughing at him !
>Finally, I do know of a few instances where the North Indians respect the
>Tamils brain power.
Yeah, great brain power which makes them kill female infants !!! And btw, he is
referring to those Aryan Brahmins not you dumb tamil asswipes.
>North Indians, who are quite sharp themselves, regard
>Tamils and other Southerners as being the cream of the cream.
yeah, they will only have a praise for the Aryans like them, they won't deride
them like you stupid Dravidas do by deriding your own stupid people.
>Are South Indians regarded as greedy?
All Dravidas are hypocritic and greedy as hell. They talk one thing and act
another. They are more stupid than pigs.
>Enterprising? Kind? Gentle?
They could be more gentle than a porcupine but thats also in doubt.
>Extremists?
From birth.
>Mean? Unloyal?
And cowards too.
>Inferior?
To all Brahmins(obviously).
>Superior?
To Hippos maybe.
>Smart?
Smarter than planktons maybe.
>Stupid?
Stupider than pigs.
>Thank you very much,
For what ? Making a fool of yourself ???? HAHAHA.
Hindian
thiruna...@hotmail.com
> I was just quite curious. How do North Indians percieve Tamil people? One of
> my friends (whose Tamil) has a couple of Northern roommates. On one hand,
> one of his roommates commented that Tamils only speak in their language when
> they are around other Tamils. However, the irony is this: whenever this
> That's hypocritical.
>
This situation is not only with your friend but with all those people who are
in the midst of people who speak some other language. The best way to come
out of this is to learn ourselves that language. I had many friends from
Northern part of India (I do not want to call it as North India, and thus
make a division every thing is only India) in my college, who started
speaking tamizh (although with lot of "mazhalai") within six months. And
during the second year their proficiency increased as to teach the local
guys.
> Another thing, one of the Northern guys bragged that Tamil and all other South
> Indian languages come from Marati, while Urdu and Hindi come from Sanskrit.
> Pardon me, but I thought that Tamil is older than Hindi and Marati?
>
Sure the basic for all Indian languages are only Tamizh and Sanskrit. I am
not sure whether any language's name has such meaning as these two languages
(if so I request, let me know the same). If you pronounce the word Tamizh it
just sounds like Amrit or Amizhtham(in tamil) which is nothing but the
elixir. And the meaning of Sanskrit itself is "The way of life"
> Finally, I also believe that some Northerners have been brain washed in
> believing that they are the descendents of "Swiss people." No lie. One of
> these roommates mentioned to this guy that Northerners are descended from
> Europeans from Switzerland. I almost laughed, but was too angry to.
>
This theory was propounded by the European settlers, just to divide the Hindu
people, so that it is easy for them to spread their rule (Ooru erandu patta
Koothadikku Kondattam). This Aryan Invasion Theory, without any basic
proofs, has already been questioned by many historians. As the present
generation is being fed only with this "false" history, no doubt whoever
wants to call himself a Aryan, can claim that he is a descendent from
Swiss(!), which is nothing but ignorance of the facts.
> Finally, I do know of a few instances where the North Indians respect the
> Tamils brain power. North Indians, who are quite sharp themselves, regard
> Tamils and other Southerners as being the cream of the cream.
>
> Are South Indians regarded as greedy? Enterprising? Kind? Gentle?
> Extremists? Mean? Unloyal? Inferior? Superior? Smart? Stupid?
>
It is all! Even if you take a single individual, he is a mixture of all
these qualities. So when you take a group of people, the multitude of this
complexity also just increases in a geometric proportion. This also holds
good for the people from Northern part of India also and seen in the southern
states.
Ravi Iyengar
depends on the place in india ... in bombay (where i am from) its fine since
tamilians know 'bombay' hindi very well and there is no problem of not
knowing any other language than tamil. so everybody talks in 'bombay' hindi
and nobody knows who the other person is ...
>> One of
>> my friends (whose Tamil) has a couple of Northern roommates. On one
hand,
>> one of his roommates commented that Tamils only speak in their language
when
>> they are around other Tamils. However, the irony is this: whenever this
>> Northern guy is with his buddies, guess what language they only speak in?
>> That's hypocritical.
>>
well its not, i dont perceive it as hypocritical ... since north indians
speak hindi which also happens to be indias national language ... when i am
with indians , i *always* speak in hindi if the other person knows it ... it
helps me use more abuses ;)
AFAIK tamilians usually speak in english amongst themselves (atleast in US)
... and south indians are usually considered "tamilians" .... also I think
most telugus speak in telegu when in a group of two or more ... even if some
dont know telugu and for a north indian there is no way of distinguishing a
tamil from a telugu. so they think tamils talk in tamil amongst themselves.
since for them south indians essentially means "madrasis" .... just like for
me north indians mean "bhaiyas" ;-)
>> Finally, I do know of a few instances where the North Indians respect the
>> Tamils brain power. North Indians, who are quite sharp themselves,
regard
>> Tamils and other Southerners as being the cream of the cream.
>>
>> Are South Indians regarded as greedy? Enterprising? Kind? Gentle?
>> Extremists? Mean? Unloyal? Inferior? Superior? Smart? Stupid?
>>
South Indians fall into four states and each of these states people are
looked upon differently. And here I am talking from my experience ... I have
had MP roommates, Punjabi roommates, Oriya roommates and even a Kashmiri
roommate!
Telugus are looked upon as very closely-knit (essentially selfish, i will
get flamed for this and i am ready to get flamed) and mean.
Tamilians fall into the kind and hardworking category
Kannadigas are the ones with whom u can get along very well ...
Mallus ... not much experience here to comment on.
cheers,
ravi
Narayanan
>
>>> One of
>>> my friends (whose Tamil) has a couple of Northern roommates. On one
>hand,
>>> one of his roommates commented that Tamils only speak in their language
>when
>>> they are around other Tamils. However, the irony is this: whenever this
>>> Northern guy is with his buddies, guess what language they only speak in?
>>> That's hypocritical.
>>>
>
>well its not, i dont perceive it as hypocritical ... since north indians
IT INDEED IS HYPOCRITICAL. India is democratic country. I have every right
to speak the language I want.
>speak hindi which also happens to be indias national language ... when i am
It depends. Some people call it national language, some call it International
disgrace as most it contributes most illiterte population and the general
level of lawlessness in the Hindi Heart Land.
Let's face it. None of the Indian language suports tertiary
education. Can you tell me when was a quality book last
written in an Indian language. Have they been translated ?
Barring probably literature is their any other scope
for our languages ?
No point saying some language is more important than
other just because it contributes population at a very steady rate
and shows no sign decrease. Instead of making their own population
literate most north Indians are concerend about how to
educate Tamils that Hindi is important. I have never heard a north Indian
saying that thry have make their state literate. Instead I have heard
many many times that Tamils should not oppose Hindi. Can you
explain why ? Probably, it is easier to teach Tamils Hindi,
rather than making Hindiwalas write in Hindi.
>with indians , i *always* speak in hindi if the other person knows it ... it
>helps me use more abuses ;)
>AFAIK tamilians usually speak in english amongst themselves (atleast in US)
>... and south indians are usually considered "tamilians" .... also I think
>most telugus speak in telegu when in a group of two or more ... even if some
>dont know telugu and for a north indian there is no way of distinguishing a
>tamil from a telugu. so they think tamils talk in tamil amongst themselves.
>since for them south indians essentially means "madrasis" .... just like for
>me north indians mean "bhaiyas" ;-)
Narayanan
Northies_suck
>He speaks in a language that you hate, moron, thats all.
No, he speaks only language he can, but others to speak that too.
>
>
>>Another thing, one of the Northern guys bragged that Tamil and all other South
>>Indian languages come from Marati, while Urdu and Hindi come from Sanskrit.
>>Pardon me, but I thought that Tamil is older than Hindi and Marati?
>
>Somali is older than Tamil, so ????? Moron.
Which are the states comparable to Somali. It is the BMRU states.
>
>>Finally, I also believe that some Northerners have been brain washed in
>>believing that they are the descendents of "Swiss people." No lie.
>
>And all Tamils are brainwashed in beleiving that they are correct in whatever
>they say. Has someone told them they look and act like greedy opportunistic pigs
WOw Hindi speakers are very broad minded. Have u ever seen a bihari
travel with appropriate tickets in train ?
>?
>
>
>
>>One of
>>these roommates mentioned to this guy that Northerners are descended from
>>Europeans from Switzerland. I almost laughed, but was too angry to.
>
>You won't have the guts to laugh in front of a North Indian. He will kick your
>filthy butt and send you to Mars if he finds you laughing at him !
HE HE HE. These northies have kicked themselves. They are pathetic economically
scientifically. Pretty much inferior race.
>
>
>
>>Finally, I do know of a few instances where the North Indians respect the
>>Tamils brain power.
>
>Yeah, great brain power which makes them kill female infants !!! And btw, he is
>referring to those Aryan Brahmins not you dumb tamil asswipes.
>
Great Northies fight for Ram Temple wherin Ram is supposed have shat
first. Killing females in TN is much lesser than what happens during
one of those avg riots.
>>Are South Indians regarded as greedy?
>
>All Dravidas are hypocritic and greedy as hell. They talk one thing and act
>another. They are more stupid than pigs.
>
>>Enterprising? Kind? Gentle?
>
>They could be more gentle than a porcupine but thats also in doubt.
>
>>Extremists?
>
>From birth.
For guy who has lived in states where they kill Sikhs for kiliing
Indira Gandu yes TNers are extemists. Just find out
crime rate in all metro cities and find out what is the rank of Dillee
for eg.
>
>>Mean? Unloyal?
>
>And cowards too.
>
If only law abiding behavior can be called cowardice.
>
>>Inferior?
>
>To all Brahmins(obviously).
>
Why th fuck are you dragging the caste.
>
>>Superior?
>
>To Hippos maybe.
Norhies are worse than Hippos.
>
>
>>Smart?
>
>Smarter than planktons maybe.
Yes Northies are.
>
>
>>Stupid?
>
>
>Stupider than pigs.
>
>
Indeed ture about northies.
>
>>Thank you very much,
>
>
>For what ? Making a fool of yourself ???? HAHAHA.
It is a well known fact that Hindi speakers lack culture.
>
>
>
>Hindian
Visu.
By the way why is the literacy rate in hindi states
so low ?
Perhaps you are the Idiots.
Think about it. (If you get a headache take an aspirin.)
Visu.
Dravidians_Are_Dumb wrote:
> In article <6u0i7f$k34$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, t_n_so...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >Northern guy is with his buddies, guess what language they only speak in?
> >That's hypocritical.
>
> He speaks in a language that you hate, moron, thats all.
>
> >Another thing, one of the Northern guys bragged that Tamil and all other South
> >Indian languages come from Marati, while Urdu and Hindi come from Sanskrit.
> >Pardon me, but I thought that Tamil is older than Hindi and Marati?
>
> Somali is older than Tamil, so ????? Moron.
>
> >Finally, I also believe that some Northerners have been brain washed in
> >believing that they are the descendents of "Swiss people." No lie.
>
> And all Tamils are brainwashed in beleiving that they are correct in whatever
> they say. Has someone told them they look and act like greedy opportunistic pigs
> ?
>
> >One of
> >these roommates mentioned to this guy that Northerners are descended from
> >Europeans from Switzerland. I almost laughed, but was too angry to.
>
> You won't have the guts to laugh in front of a North Indian. He will kick your
> filthy butt and send you to Mars if he finds you laughing at him !
>
> >Finally, I do know of a few instances where the North Indians respect the
> >Tamils brain power.
>
> Yeah, great brain power which makes them kill female infants !!! And btw, he is
> referring to those Aryan Brahmins not you dumb tamil asswipes.
>
> >North Indians, who are quite sharp themselves, regard
> >Tamils and other Southerners as being the cream of the cream.
>
> yeah, they will only have a praise for the Aryans like them, they won't deride
> them like you stupid Dravidas do by deriding your own stupid people.
>
> >Are South Indians regarded as greedy?
>
> All Dravidas are hypocritic and greedy as hell. They talk one thing and act
> another. They are more stupid than pigs.
>
> >Enterprising? Kind? Gentle?
>
> They could be more gentle than a porcupine but thats also in doubt.
>
> >Extremists?
>
> From birth.
>
> >Mean? Unloyal?
>
> And cowards too.
>
> >Inferior?
>
> To all Brahmins(obviously).
>
> >Superior?
>
> To Hippos maybe.
>
> >Smart?
>
> Smarter than planktons maybe.
>
> >Stupid?
>
> Stupider than pigs.
>
> >Thank you very much,
>
> For what ? Making a fool of yourself ???? HAHAHA.
>
> Hindian
Visu.
Why are you spreading the truth about the hindians.
You know perfectly well that they can't handle the truth.
For all you know, you might have turned him postal.
Watch out for profanity from the North.
Opps! I meant words of wisdom.
Bye.
Northies_suck wrote:
> In article <6u19nc$l...@drn.newsguy.com>, Dravidians_Are_Dumb says...
> >
> >In article <6u0i7f$k34$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, t_n_so...@hotmail.com says...
>
> >
> >For what ? Making a fool of yourself ???? HAHAHA.
>
Madurai Veeran
Dravidians_Are_Dumb wrote in message <6u19nc$l...@drn.newsguy.com>...
Please do not respond to this post. This is a flame bait.
This guy has nothing better to do. I do not think he is
a North Indian. For all you know, he may not be an Indian
at all. He is simply a mischievous moron.
Please, do not fall in his trap.
Madurai Veeran
Overlord
be speaking English because it is the language of science.
There is simply no way to say things like "nuclear reactor"
or "microchip" in Indian languages. All that can be done
is "add on" these English words and make them sound
Indian. As the Indian politicians say ... KAMputer :-)
Bholu
accurate it is Kamputer ji.
Ajaatshatru
> In article <36056630...@hotmail.com>, Overlord <o...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Eventually all languages will die out and everyone will
> > be speaking English because it is the language of science.
Once upon a time French enjoyed the same status in England, as English
enjoys today all over the former colonies of England. However, the
British, by their sheer resolve were able to revive English and French was
given the boot.
English is basically a language of Imperialism. It has been just 50 years
when Colonialsm ended. It may take another 50 for the former colonies to
attain full Independence.
> > There is simply no way to say things like "nuclear reactor"
> > or "microchip" in Indian languages. All that can be done
> > is "add on" these English words and make them sound
> > Indian. As the Indian politicians say ... KAMputer :-)
all it takes is a vision, and a will to achieve it
there are Sanskrit equivalents, already in use by the publications and
media in national languages, for example
Computer - Sangadnak
Internet - Antartana
there are other terms that I do not remember. I am sure there are Tamil
equivalents too.
Your support of English is not a problem, but the mental slavery you
exhibit by writing off ALL Indian languages is repulsive to national
sense.
Hope to see English getting wiped out of Bharat (and rest of the
non-English speaking world) by the year 2050, in a manner similar to
when French was wiped out of England.
-Ajaatshatru
Mo
into official Hindi for it to become an accepted link
language.
Balaji Gadhiraju
>
> t_n_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
[Deleted]
>
> > Another thing, one of the Northern guys bragged that Tamil and all other South
> > Indian languages come from Marati, while Urdu and Hindi come from Sanskrit.
> > Pardon me, but I thought that Tamil is older than Hindi and Marati?
> >
>
I fail to understand why lot of Tamilian assume that all the other
south indian languages are derived from Tamil. That's not true. Atleast
not in the case of Telugu. Telugu and Tamil evolved from
Proto-Dravidian.
Dravidan-Brahmin
>>Inferior?
>
>To all Brahmins(obviously).
Are they (dravidans) dumber than brahmins who study in Capitation fee colleges
like Manipal Institute of Tech.
Dravidan-Brahmin.
Dravidan-Brahmin
>Yeah, great brain power which makes them kill female infants !!! And btw,
> he is
>referring to those Aryan Brahmins not you dumb tamil asswipes.
Do you recollect how many were killed in religious riots in Ahmedabad.
Dravidan-Brahmin.
Ranjit Mathews
> All common English and Urdu words should be incorporated
> into official Hindi for it to become an accepted link language.
Hindi is already an accepted link language, so it doesn't need to
"become" one. The suggestion, nevertheless, has merit.
None
>>
>>To all Brahmins(obviously).
>
>Are they (dravidans) dumber than brahmins who study in Capitation fee colleges
>like Manipal Institute of Tech.
and with second name as Iyer and first name as Shridhar
>
>Dravidan-Brahmin.
Wilson Samraj
vomit blood. Now they have no option but to look up at us we Tamils who
have proven our capacity beyond doubt. The reasons are as follows :
1. Chief Defence Scientist - Dr A. P. J. Kalam, No nuke Tests without
him!
1. Chairman of Atomic Agency in India is Tamil blood. Got brains!
2. Ex-Minister for Commerce - Mr Chidambaram, Harvard Educated, Got Brains
3. Foreign Minister, Singapore, Professor Jayakumar, Overseas Indian
Tamil, Got Brains and leadership qualities.
Aryans can't afford to ignore the black bees from the south. The brains are
there.
Ranjit Mathews <ran...@austin.ibm.com> wrote in article
<3606CB60...@austin.ibm.com>...
Pradip Parekh
Changing the subject, I grew up with lot of Tamil friends. I can confidently
say they are among the finest, the most exquisitely refined, superbly
educated, and give the neighborhood an aura of divinity. Just visit Matunga
in Mumbai. No need for words.
Pradip Parekh
Ajaatshatru wrote in message ...
Indian
>
>In the past the Aryans used to look down on Tamils as dust as if they would
>vomit blood. Now they have no option but to look up at us we Tamils who
>have proven our capacity beyond doubt. The reasons are as follows :
>
>1. Chief Defence Scientist - Dr A. P. J. Kalam, No nuke Tests without
>him!
proto-Dravidian
>1. Chairman of Atomic Agency in India is Tamil blood. Got brains!
proto-Aryan
>
>2. Ex-Minister for Commerce - Mr Chidambaram, Harvard Educated, Got Brains
proto-none :-)..not exactly a proto-Dravidian either.
>
>3. Foreign Minister, Singapore, Professor Jayakumar, Overseas Indian
>Tamil, Got Brains and leadership qualities.
BS..how is Singapore stuff related to talk about India and Indian citizens ?
>Aryans can't afford to ignore the black bees from the south. The brains are
>there.
Do you want me to list the Aryan contributions to India till now ? Start from
ancient Indian culture perhaps.....
Again, solid confusion regarding South Indians particularly Tamils..how is it
assumed that they are all Dravidians(or not Aryans !). Was any major
contribution to the world by India known before Aryans came to India ?? Your
answer lies in that....
Indian
ps: i am not degrading Dravidian Tamils but to diregard Aryans for brains can be
the dumbest thing the Dravidians have done till now in their prolonged history
in India.
rathanam
Singapore's Tamil Foreign Minister Prof. Jaya Kumar is not out of context.
The distinction between the Dravidian and Aryans can no longer be based upon
physical attributes, due to adulteration over the years. Any difference between them
today is purely based on the linguistic and cultural differences.
To assume that all Tamil brahmins are aryans is baseless as there are many Tamil
brahmins who have strong dravidian features. If you examine Indian history you will
will that the brahmin community (especially from the South) migrated freely all over
India,
E.g. The battacharyas of Bengal can trace their roots to Tamilnadu. Even the great
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu from Navadip (Bengal) and his close associates Rupa, Sanatan
Goswamis had S Indian origins. Similarly priests serving in Rameshwaram Temple in
Tamilnadu were from Varanasi who have acculturalised to become Tamils.
There are ample evidence to indicate that the Indus valley civilisation was a
dravidian civilisation (though this will be disputed by pro - aryan historians).
If you suggest India's contribution is in the knowledge contained in the vedas, then
bear in mind the compiler of the vedas Vyasa was a dravidian - described to be short
and very dark skinned. Many more examples (Chanakya Pundit, Valmiki etc ) can be
cited to prove that the great thinkers of ancient time were dravidians and just
because the contributions were in sanskrit, it does not make them aryans.
The aryans were a barbaric tribe without a culture but possessed strong Nazi traits.
rathanam
gdr...@my-dejanews.com
Indian wrote:
> In article <01bde5da$544e70e0$b2d115a5@default>, "Wilson says...
> >
> >In the past the Aryans used to look down on Tamils as dust as if they would
> >vomit blood. Now they have no option but to look up at us we Tamils who
> >have proven our capacity beyond doubt. The reasons are as follows :
> >
> >1. Chief Defence Scientist - Dr A. P. J. Kalam, No nuke Tests without
> >him!
>
> proto-Dravidian
>
> >1. Chairman of Atomic Agency in India is Tamil blood. Got brains!
>
> proto-Aryan
>
> >
> >2. Ex-Minister for Commerce - Mr Chidambaram, Harvard Educated, Got Brains
>
> proto-none :-)..not exactly a proto-Dravidian either.
>
> >
> >3. Foreign Minister, Singapore, Professor Jayakumar, Overseas Indian
> >Tamil, Got Brains and leadership qualities.
>
> BS..how is Singapore stuff related to talk about India and Indian citizens ?
>
> >Aryans can't afford to ignore the black bees from the south. The brains are
> >there.
>
> Do you want me to list the Aryan contributions to India till now ? Start from
> ancient Indian culture perhaps.....
>
> Again, solid confusion regarding South Indians particularly Tamils..how is it
> assumed that they are all Dravidians(or not Aryans !). Was any major
> contribution to the world by India known before Aryans came to India ?? Your
> answer lies in that....
>
I dare you to list your parota aryans or proto aryans indigenous contribution
to the Indian sub continent. OK even from the ancient times.
List one one single item where your parota Aryans indigenously contributed to
the help of the current life style of a human or a hindian or atleast your own
parota’s.
Kama sutra ? How to mate as if we don’t know that earlier.
Artha sastra? How to suck the blood of the poor peasants?
Manusastra? How to protect the parota Aryans in the name of religion?
You corrupted and destroyed the only indigenous civilization of the
subcontinent and started a barbarism. Divided the native people and made the
whole north India like a female prostitute (Yes Mr. Kissinger made a apt
comment) for every marauding conquerors starting from Greek, or Mongolians
or kushanas or Moguls or any body who had a knife. You are talking about
contributions.
Your own indigenous language was DEAD ( YES SANSKRIT WAS DEAD When is the
dhidhi) and you are clinging on to another which owe half of its to
Paraseekam. You don’t even have an indigenous music and you owe a great a lot
again to Paraseekam. You are talking about contributions.
With all the help from the WESTERN EDUCATION and the broad minded western
scientific community, ( I know the amount of western journals and publications
helping our great indigenous Science institutions and laboratories day to day
work)
Could you able to deliver a satellite from your own rocket launching site to a
correct orbit?
How many crores of poor peoples tax money you morons blown up?
(Yes, we accept only parota Aryans are there in the ISRO)
Could you able to design a nuclear reactor on your own? ( Yap every body
knows how you are kneeling before Russians and begging for a nuclear
reactor?) Your own atomic energy commission chairman is begging for a US
visa. If you are so great, these people should beg you to come to their
country. (Yes we know that fellow is a parota Aryan)
You morons even lied about the exact facts about the recent nuclear blasts
(Thanks to LA times)
What happen to the LCA? As soon as Americans washed their hands, LCA is also
gone.
Now you are going to develop the engine on your own. You morons you cant even
design an indigenous automobile engine (For that perennially sucking Japanese,
US, German, Italy, French) are you going to design an indigenous aircraft
engine??. (Yes all the Indians needed a reality check here)(Yap we know that
DRDO, HAL are infested with you morons.)
Parota – Aryans did nothing and we like it or not we owe every thing to the
broad-minded western education and to the western scientific community.
You denied our sense of being a human being, you treated us like an animal,
you denied us our education (yes even poured molten lead over our ears for
tring to learn) and now you are talking about our contributions?
We didn’t do one thing and that is the great contribution.
We didn’t suck the blood of any natives like a parasite. That you did.
gdravid
> Indian
>
> ps: i am not degrading Dravidian Tamils but to diregard Aryans for brains can
be
> the dumbest thing the Dravidians have done till now in their prolonged history
> in India.
>
Ps: You cant degrade any worse than your sastra's and veda's . The only
dumbest thing the Dravidians have done till now in their prolonged history
is that they have put up with the parota-aryans to this extent.
Proto_Dravidians_Suck_And_Are_Dumb
>I dare you to list your parota aryans or proto aryans indigenous contribution
>to the Indian sub continent. OK even from the ancient times.
>
>List one one single item where your parota Aryans indigenously contributed to
>the help of the current life style of a human or a hindian or atleast your own
>parota?s.
The Dravidians continue to be dumb as shown by the poster. Mr. Dravidian, for
all these 4000 years or so, may i ask what religion your dravidian partners have
followed ? What caste have they converted to from their original sudra caste or
casteless status ? Was any Parota Aryan as you put it (showing Dravidian
(yawn)humour) forcing your people to convert to Brahminism ?? Why did your
Dravidian mate sit on the banks of the river and recite the vedas ? Who was
asking him to ? Do you have answers to all this ?? You may like to know that
the same Aryans whom you are abusing were founders of the Greek civilization
which is still respected by the Westerners whose arse you like to wipe btw.
You are another piece of Shitilian crying like an immature baby for tribal
language Shitil's survival which noone is even remotely interested in taking
away from you.
Does your Dumbness know that most of India has Dravidian blood(in whatever
amount) and what has it done for the human development in India as you put it ?
Just remember, the next time you put any blame on India's misfortunes since any
time 100 years or so from the date Aryans could have arrived in India, you are
abusing your own dumb likes and their (mis)deeds !!!
rathanam
more dravidian than aryan. Perhaps that explains why South Indian temples (dravidian
architecture) are shaped like the stepped pyramids of ancient Egypt.
Hinduism has both dravidian and aryan influence.
Fire worship, animal sacrifices and caste system are aryan in origin. There are
references in the old testaments to burnt animal offerings. The aryan like the
Persians were ritualistic fire worshippers.
The modern aryan religions - Christianity and Islam, are structured into a hierarchy
like the hindu caste system e.g. the Pope and the Mullah etc.
The dravidian religion is based on temple worship, egalitarian - devoid of caste
discrimination and with a heavy emphasis on love for God. If you have sufficient
knowledge you would have realised that Tamil mystical saints were the pioneers in
bhakti - love for god. They have contributed extensively in the Tamil language,
making the sanskrit vedas redundant.
Later aryans gods like Indra, Varuna, Rudra etc lost their predominance and were
absorbed by the Dravidian Gods like Shiva or Vishnu to become minor deities.
This should explain why Hinduism is complex and full of paradoxes, like yoga which
stresses upon austerity, rules and regulations in contrast to bhoga that
acknowledges free will, where pursuit of pleasure, sex and sense gratification are
accepted as valid forms of spiritual expression.
rathanam
Indian
>
>The issue discussed is on Tamils as perceived my N.Indian, as such including
>Singapore's Tamil Foreign Minister Prof. Jaya Kumar is not out of context.
This is the problem with many Indians. Even after becoming citizens, they never
really attach themselves to their new found land and are stuck in their
parasatic modes to their ancestral land.
>
>The distinction between the Dravidian and Aryans can no longer be based upon
>physical attributes, due to adulteration over the years. Any difference between
>them
>today is purely based on the linguistic and cultural differences.
Not exactly. Many fair skinned Brahmins(and some darker skinned too) have
predominantly Aryan features and are only slightly adulterated. Their nature
differs much from the opposite type ie. mainly Dravidian with some Aryan
features. You can easily see the difference in nature due to the underlying
racial difference.
>To assume that all Tamil brahmins are aryans is baseless as there are many Tamil
>>brahmins who have strong dravidian features.
You are right. Only in TN, there are quiet a few dark skinned Brahmins. Brahmins
from other states all over India are pretty much fair skinned. But the majority
of Brahmins(invariably residing outside TN) have mainly Aryan features and
nature.
>If you examine Indian history you will
>will that the brahmin community (especially from the South) migrated freely all
>over
>India,
>
>E.g. The battacharyas of Bengal can trace their roots to Tamilnadu. Even the
>great
>Chaitanya Mahaprabhu from Navadip (Bengal) and his close associates Rupa,
>Sanatan
>Goswamis had S Indian origins. Similarly priests serving in Rameshwaram Temple
>in
>Tamilnadu were from Varanasi who have acculturalised to become Tamils.
References please !
>There are ample evidence to indicate that the Indus valley civilisation was a
>dravidian civilisation (though this will be disputed by pro - aryan historians).
This is much under cloud and nothing clear has come out yet, different
historians have differing views. Until it is fairly clear, it is foolish to make
any assertions unless they are your own conclusions.
>If you suggest India's contribution is in the knowledge contained in the vedas,
>then
>bear in mind the compiler of the vedas Vyasa was a dravidian - described to be
>short
>and very dark skinned. Many more examples (Chanakya Pundit, Valmiki etc ) can be
>cited to prove that the great thinkers of ancient time were dravidians and just
>because the contributions were in sanskrit, it does not make them aryans.
Duh, isn't it clear ? Aryans(Brahmins) laid the foundations of vedic
civilization/culture invariably in their language called Sanskrit and many
Dravidians simply lapped it up initially and later on contributed some of their
own thoughts. Dravidians were much tribal in their worship earlier. Haven't you
heard of miscgenation in the early periods namely the dark periods of Indian
history ???
>>The aryans were a barbaric tribe without a culture but possessed strong Nazi
>>traits.
This is again a misinformation lapped up by many Indians from Max Mueller, the
racist German. Aryans(the Brahmin ones) were very peaceful in nature and many of
them mixed well with the residing dravidians in Indus Valley and beyond to form
a great civilization. Even the Brahmin migration to South in the six hundreds
was a peaceful one and the proto-Dravidian kings of the South welcomed them well
into their kingdoms without any wars or bloodshed.
Indian
Ash Nallawalla
>Eventually all languages will die out and everyone will
>be speaking English because it is the language of science.
>or "microchip" in Indian languages. All that can be done
>is "add on" these English words and make them sound
>Indian. As the Indian politicians say ... KAMputer :-)
That's because it derives from the Indian words KaamPutr (son of work). ;-)
lacorti
Tamils Mr Rathanam, but this needs to be done according to the
facts. By exagerating our achievements we simply give
ammunition to our Hindian critics.
Rathanam wrote:
"Greek philosophy and civilisation was highly influenced by the
Egyptians, who were more dravidian than aryan. Perhaps that
explains why South Indian temples (dravidian architecture) are
shaped like the stepped pyramids of ancient Egypt."
The Egyptians were not Aryans, and they certainly were not
Dravidian. Furthermore, there is no credible evidence of
Dravidian influence over the Egyptian civilisation of the
Pharaohs. As for the architecture of South Indian temples baring
some similarity to the Pyramids, well I would suggest that this
is a pure coincidence.
Rathanam wrote:
"The modern aryan religions - Christianity and Islam, are
structured into a hierarchy like the hindu caste system e.g. the
Pope and the Mullah etc".
Christianity could not be defined historically as an Aryan
religion. Jesus, as you would know, was Jewish. Jews like the
Arabs are semites. They are not Aryan. It is true however that
Christianity through its formal adoption by the Romans in the
early Fourth century became the religion of Europe.
As for Islam it is defenitively not an Aryan religion, as the Arabs
are not Aryan.
I hope to have clarified your misunderstandings.
Nitin Batra
prosyltizers. Why does India have to become monolingual anyways??/ What a
great loss. People should be able to go to school in own language,
anything else slows them down dramatically and the greatest work in pure
mathematics (perhaps other fields, i just say pure maths because i know
them better than other fields), the greatest work comes at young age.
Univerisities worldwide worried that graduate math education taking too
long and thus the minds of these mathematicians loses ability by the time
they are graduated. Educating a person in a language besides native tongue
is a great tragedy to all of mathematics and achievement, intelligence,
learning of indians of all ages all assaulted by such monolingualism.
Nitin Batra
Paresh Patel
lost and stop bashing North Indian.
gdr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> I dare you to list your parota aryans or proto aryans indigenous contribution
> to the Indian sub continent. OK even from the ancient times.
>
> List one one single item where your parota Aryans indigenously contributed to
> the help of the current life style of a human or a hindian or atleast your own
Paresh Patel
population.It will never happen. You can go to your beloved Pakiland and
give suggestion Navaj Shariff.
lacorti
>
> Your support of English is not a problem, but the mental slavery you
> exhibit by writing off ALL Indian languages is repulsive to national
> sense.
>
> Hope to see English getting wiped out of Bharat (and rest of the
> non-English speaking world) by the year 2050, in a manner similar to
> when French was wiped out of England.
>
What about the Hindian attempt to wipe out non-Hindi languages.
Arguments presented by some pro-India people like that the Tamils should
learn Hindi for economic reasons. This suggestion if successful would
inevitably destroy our language in the long run. When they have
destroyed our language, it won't take long for the rest of our cultural
identity to die. Language is important in defining identity and it is
vital that minorities in India preserve their language.
If we are to have a truly national language, it should however be
English. At least it would remove any possibility of an Hindi cultural
takeover. A much better option however would be greater autonomy for
minorities, and in the long run even independence. This would ensure
their cultural and linguistic survival.
Ravi Iyengar
+AD4-
+AD4-Changing the subject, I grew up with lot of Tamil friends. I can
confidently
+AD4-say they are among the finest, the most exquisitely refined, superbly
+AD4-educated, and give the neighborhood an aura of divinity. Just visit Matunga
+AD4-in Mumbai. No need for words.
+AD4-
+AD4-Pradip Parekh
+AD4-
Hey man+ACE-
Matunga Rules+ACE-
cheers,
ravi
Ravi Iyengar
>>well its not, i dont perceive it as hypocritical ... since north indians
>
>IT INDEED IS HYPOCRITICAL. India is democratic country. I have every right
>to speak the language I want.
You do have every right to speak in the language you want, but when you are
in a group of non-south-indians dont speak your mother tongue. I am not
talking about Tamils here (you very well know whom I am talking about),
Tamils always speak in English (ok a few tamil words now and then) when with
each other (atleast the ones I have interacted with in US and in India)
>
>>speak hindi which also happens to be indias national language ... when i
am
>
>It depends. Some people call it national language, some call it
International
>disgrace as most it contributes most illiterte population and the general
>level of lawlessness in the Hindi Heart Land.
Well, the tamil DMK leader Karunanidhi speaks would also smell of
lawlessness, Hindi is different from
*Bhaiya* language (UP+Bihari)
>Let's face it. None of the Indian language suports tertiary
>education. Can you tell me when was a quality book last
>written in an Indian language.
No, for the simple reason that not many educated people in india (atleast
the post 70s) like/are able to read native languages. it will take me an
hour to read a few lines of Kumudam, do you think I will read an 100 page
serious book written in it? no demand, no writers.
>Barring probably literature is their any other scope
>for our languages ?
No use for our languages? Dont you communicate in it? You may not want to
communicate with a N Indian, but then thats your problem. Communication is a
good enough use to justify their existence.
>No point saying some language is more important than
>other just because it contributes population at a very steady rate
>and shows no sign decrease. Instead of making their own population
>literate most north Indians are concerend about how to
>educate Tamils that Hindi is important.
See man, no body ever asked you to know Marathi, no body ever asked you to
know Bhojpuri, but knowing Hindi is well a good thing, if you dont, you lose
out on a lot of things .... say you have a store that sells something in
madras, some Bombayite comes and asks something for you in Hindi, you dont
know what he is saying, its your loss ... You cant expect a Bombayite to
learn Tamil? Or do you expect a Gujrati to learn tamil?
>I have never heard a north Indian
>saying that thry have make their state literate.
See what is literacy? Literacy in india is very loosely defined, if you can
sign your name , you are literate ....
>Instead I have heard
>many many times that Tamils should not oppose Hindi. Can you
>explain why ?
I have explained it, its just 1/4th of india (ok Karnataka is not that
opposed) that does not want to speak it,
3/4ths communicate in it, you dont know it, its your loss.
Hindi is not just spoken by North India, its spoken in Maharashtra, Gujarat,
Surat .... they dont say, why should we learn Hindi? Why dont you learn
Marathi? do they?
dont think of this as a flame, i am just explaining my position in this ,
regards,
ravi
>
>Narayanan
Wilson Samraj
time. Now they have no option but to look up. The folowing is not
possible without the Tamil brains.
1. Dr Abdul Kalam - Nuke Tests - Indian Chief Defence Scientist
2. Dr Chidambaram - Head, Atomic Agency of India
3. Dr Chidambaram - Harvard Training, Commerce Secretary
4. Professor Jayakumar - Singapore's Foreign Minister ( Overseas Tamil
from Tamil Nadu)
Black bees from the south are taking on all the computer professional jobs.
Why we got brains and you need us. Just look at the mixed populations of
Bombay and Delhi. Tamils are invading your cities as they are in demand.
Ha! Ha!
lacorti <lac...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in article
<360BE4...@alphalink.com.au>...
Anjedi
I have never met a smart one in my life, and by watcing their stoopid
movies, I can tell that they are not fit for modern culture, as they are too
garish..
Sikhs are stingy, mean and cunning, pakis are thieves, people from haryana,
e.t.c are stoopid poor farmers who abuse women, and like to victimize us
tamails despite our superior intellects , just look at S. Chandrasekhar, and
his brother, we should have secceeded from india before those pernicious
northeners poisoned the race. They should all go fuck themselves.
Except for R. Yagore, even the north indians here have to agree with me,
that they have to far to go before they change from their peasant/tamil
movie mentality, in the costume of the 21st century man
Anjedi
GO SINDA !!! YAAY !
Wilson Samraj wrote in message <01bde8f3$dad2ffc0$becb15a5@default>...
Htin Aung Moe
Please get over it. It is already over 50 years now!
Htin Aung Moe
rathanam
> In article <3609D1A4...@compuserve.com>, rathanam says...
> >
> >The issue discussed is on Tamils as perceived my N.Indian, as such including
> >Singapore's Tamil Foreign Minister Prof. Jaya Kumar is not out of context.
>
> This is the problem with many Indians. Even after becoming citizens, they never
> really attach themselves to their new found land and are stuck in their
> parasatic modes to their ancestral land.
There is no justification in your claim, the first few generation might cling to
their Indian identity but but it is never the case for the the next generation. For
example the new indian migrants to the west might have strong attachments to India
but not with their children.
The term Tamil used in this context refers to an ethnic group not to a nationality.
Why do you assume that the 3rd/4th generation of Singapore Tamils have not attached
themselves to their country.
> The distinction between the Dravidian and Aryans can no longer be based upon
> >physical attributes, due to adulteration over the years. Any difference between
> >them today is purely based on the linguistic and cultural differences.
>
> Not exactly. Many fair skinned Brahmins(and some darker skinned too) have
> predominantly Aryan features and are only slightly adulterated. Their nature
> differs much from the opposite type ie. mainly Dravidian with some Aryan
> features. You can easily see the difference in nature due to the underlying
> racial difference.
>
Can specify what you would classify as aryan features ? Without a DNA test how would
you ascertain the aryanness of the brahmins ?
> To assume that all Tamil brahmins are aryans is baseless as there are many Tamil
> >>brahmins who have strong dravidian features.
>
> You are right. Only in TN, there are quiet a few dark skinned Brahmins. Brahmins
> from other states all over India are pretty much fair skinned. But the majority
> of Brahmins(invariably residing outside TN) have mainly Aryan features and
> nature.
>
> >If you examine Indian history you will
> >will that the brahmin community (especially from the South) migrated freely all
> >over
> >India,
> >
> >E.g. The battacharyas of Bengal can trace their roots to Tamilnadu. Even the
> >great
> >Chaitanya Mahaprabhu from Navadip (Bengal) and his close associates Rupa,
> >Sanatan
> >Goswamis had S Indian origins. Similarly priests serving in Rameshwaram Temple
> >in
> >Tamilnadu were from Varanasi who have acculturalised to become Tamils.
>
> References please !
>
For the Goswamis you can get the reference from the Hare Krishnas. I will try and
give the reference at a future date. Hope you have read my earlier post titled '
Jaffna Priesthood'
> >There are ample evidence to indicate that the Indus valley civilisation was a
> >dravidian civilisation (though this will be disputed by pro - aryan historians).
>
> This is much under cloud and nothing clear has come out yet, different
> historians have differing views. Until it is fairly clear, it is foolish to make
> any assertions unless they are your own conclusions.
>
> >If you suggest India's contribution is in the knowledge contained in the vedas,
> >then
> >bear in mind the compiler of the vedas Vyasa was a dravidian - described to be
> >short
> >and very dark skinned. Many more examples (Chanakya Pundit, Valmiki etc ) can be
> >cited to prove that the great thinkers of ancient time were dravidians and just
> >because the contributions were in sanskrit, it does not make them aryans.
>
> Duh, isn't it clear ? Aryans(Brahmins) laid the foundations of vedic
> civilization/culture invariably in their language called Sanskrit and many
> Dravidians simply lapped it up initially and later on contributed some of their
> own thoughts. Dravidians were much tribal in their worship earlier. Haven't you
> heard of miscgenation in the early periods namely the dark periods of Indian
> history ???
>
If the aryan had an advanced civilisation (as you claim), then why did it not
flourish outside of India ?
> >>The aryans were a barbaric tribe without a culture but possessed strong Nazi
> >>traits.
>
> This is again a misinformation lapped up by many Indians from Max Mueller, the
> racist German. Aryans(the Brahmin ones) were very peaceful in nature and many of
> them mixed well with the residing dravidians in Indus Valley and beyond to form
> a great civilization. Even the Brahmin migration to South in the six hundreds
> was a peaceful one and the proto-Dravidian kings of the South welcomed them well
> into their kingdoms without any wars or bloodshed.
>
Max Muller is a racist because he does not conform to your views. If the aryans were
a peace loving people, then why did they introduce the varna-ashram dharma - a caste
system based on colour - varna.
I have reposted an earlier article on the brahmins
Verily who is a brahmin ?
Is he the individual soul ?
No, it is not so; for the jive (soul) is one and the same in the innumerable bodies
obtained
through Karma.
Is he the body ?
No, because the body is composed of the five elements (earth, water, air, fire and
ether) which is the same in all classes of human beings. Birth, death, disease, old
age virtue and vice are found to be common to all human beings.
Is he a class based on birth ?
No, many great rishis have sprung from other castes and orders of creation. Vyasa was
born from a fisher girl and Vasistha from a celestial nymph - Urvashi.
Is he the possessor of Knowledge ?
No, because there are many who have attained cognition of divine truth. Therefore
knowledge does not make one a brahmin.
Is he the performer of deeds ?
No, since the prarabdha karma which gives rise to the present birth, accrued karma &
agami karma - commence in the present life time is common to all mankind.
Is he the performer of rites ?
No, for there are many who have performed religious duties by giving away wealth
/gold to charity.
Who verily is called a brahmin ?
Whoever he may be -
Who has attained self realisation and directly perceives the Atman.
Who having attained self realisation becomes rid of the faults of desire, attachment
etc and is endowed with the 6 virtues * Who having overcome emotion, spite, greed,
expectation, desire and delusion etc , with the mind unaffected by pride, egoism and
the like: he alone, who is possessed of these qualities is called a Brahmin.
* 6 virtues
tranquility, self control, cessation of dependence upon rituals, fortitude,
meditation and
faith.
From the Vajra-suchika Upanishads
> rathanam
> Indian
S Singh Sandhu
Htin Aung Moe wrote in message <360F1A0E...@ihug.co.nz>...
One of the more famous ones Bose i think was Punjabi...Of course you got a
Minister , comparing the Tamil and Punjabi population is ridiculous.. tamils
outnumber punjabi by a lot..
thiruna...@hotmail.com
hurled at our bretheren.
> Anjedi wrote:
>
> > I agree completely my friend, North Indians are stoopid floozies
> >
> > I have never met a smart one in my life, and by watcing their stoopid
> > movies, I can tell that they are not fit for modern culture, as they are too
> > garish..
> >
Throughout India the basic theme in the cinema is same. If you say it is
garish in Hindi then it is of same scale in Telugu, Tamil or Kannada also.
For all the movies are now released throughout India, atleast in a dubbed
version and it is being viewed by people of all states. I doubt the persons
taste itself must be garish, as otherwise he would not be watching Hindi
movies (or any of the movies). On the other hand, he may not be reading the
reviews or not able to choose the right movie, which is not the producers'
mistake.
I would like to know how many people from North India you had met and that too
moved closely, to state so categorically that they are "stoopid floozies",
which is outright wrong.
> > Sikhs are stingy, mean and cunning, pakis are thieves, people from haryana,
> > e.t.c are stoopid poor farmers who abuse women, and like to victimize us
> > tamails despite our superior intellects , just look at S. Chandrasekhar, and
> > his brother, we should have secceeded from india before those pernicious
> > northeners poisoned the race. They should all go fuck themselves.
> >
Read atleast one regional newpaper of Tamil, Telugu, etc. You can find all
these invectives in it which had happened in your/our own state. It is not
phenomenon on North Inida only, but common throughout the World.
> > Except for R. Yagore, even the north indians here have to agree with me,
> > that they have to far to go before they change from their peasant/tamil
> > movie mentality, in the costume of the 21st century man
> >
Do you want to say, tamil movie mentality = peasant mentality?
What kind of costume are you going to wear for the 21st century? I suppose it
is not of stone age again.
Hari Pillai
> Minister , comparing the Tamil and Punjabi population is ridiculous.. tamils
> outnumber punjabi by a lot..
First off, Boses are Bengali, and the population of Tamils in the world is
far less than 80 million (there are 65 million in Bharat), and a few here
and there (like in Singapore). Punjabis number 200 million in the world!
60% of Pakistan (pop. 140 million) is Punjabi, and they should have a lot
in Bharat as well.
Regards,
Hari
Jim K Jacob
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Hari Pillai wrote:
> > One of the more famous ones Bose i think was Punjabi...Of course you got a
> > Minister , comparing the Tamil and Punjabi population is ridiculous.. tamils
> > outnumber punjabi by a lot..
>
> First off, Boses are Bengali, and the population of Tamils in the world is
Out of curiosity, aren't there some malayali Boses? I've heard
of a possible connection between some malayalis and the northeast
Do you know anything about this?
> far less than 80 million (there are 65 million in Bharat), and a few here
> and there (like in Singapore). Punjabis number 200 million in the world!
> 60% of Pakistan (pop. 140 million) is Punjabi, and they should have a lot
> in Bharat as well.
>
> Regards,
> Hari
Anybody know how many malayalis in the world? We also are in
singapore and africa, actually I think there are alot of tamils
in africa also, specifically south africa, and aren't there quite
a few in fiji as well as europe and north america.
malayalis mainly seem to concentrate in singapore, some parts
of africa(At one time ethiopia and nigeria, don't know now)
we have a prescence in europe, and are also concentrated in
the "gulf" and north america.
>
>
bombay_hindi_sucks
>Well, the tamil DMK leader Karunanidhi speaks would also smell of
>lawlessness, Hindi is different from
>*Bhaiya* language (UP+Bihari)
Nothing is cruder than Bombay Hindi ( or Bindi). It's a gutter language.
Ranjit Mathews
> On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Hari Pillai wrote:
>
> > > One of the more famous ones Bose i think was Punjabi...Of course you got a
> > > Minister , comparing the Tamil and Punjabi population is ridiculous.. tamils
> > > outnumber punjabi by a lot..
> >
> > First off, Boses are Bengali, and the population of Tamils in the world is
>
> Out of curiosity, aren't there some malayali Boses?
I don't know of any except for a Syrian Christian who was named after Subash
Chandra Bose.
> I've heard
> of a possible connection between some malayalis and the northeast
> Do you know anything about this?
I once heard Siddharath Shankar Ray say that there was a strong affinity between
Malayalis and Bengalis, but I haven't heard what the source of such an affinity
might be.
> > far less than 80 million (there are 65 million in Bharat), and a few here
> > and there (like in Singapore). Punjabis number 200 million in the world!
> > 60% of Pakistan (pop. 140 million) is Punjabi, and they should have a lot
> > in Bharat as well.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Hari
> Anybody know how many malayalis in the world?
33 million.
Indian
>
>It is really a matter of regret that such mean and groundless accusations are
>hurled at our bretheren.
Many tamilians including Brahmins complain that North Indians like Punjabis like
to flaunt their brawn power in everything which they think is not fair. I
haven't seen such flaunting of brain power as has been going on in
soc.culture.tamil. Hypocrisy rules in India particularly Tamiul Nadu, i guess !
Indian
Tere_Khandaan_Ka_Baap
But nonethesless provides good entertainment in movies.
No Hindi is as crude as spoken in Hindi and Bihar, you visualise violence
with it.Bombay Hindi is fun to talk or listen.
K. Thomas
> > of africa(At one time ethiopia and nigeria, don't know now)
> > we have a prescence in europe, and are also concentrated in
> > the "gulf" and north america.
Yes, there were and probably still are, many Malayalis in Nigeria.
I was the first Indian child born in Nigeria, and my family was there
for about 8 years until the civil war broke out in 1967. In 1967, when
I was 6, we moved to Cameroon, just to the east of Nigeria. For a long
while we were the only Malayalis there (there were Sindhis as store
owners, and one Punjabi family from the UN). Then some Malayalis
started showing up in Cameroon, including two families who had been
in Ethiopia until the war there broke out.
Almost all Malayalis I knew in West Africa, including both my parents,
were teachers. I believe the only exception was one person in the
World Bank (or IMF?) in Cameroon. There were probably some in the
High Commission in Nigeria...India did not have an embassy in Cameroon
and we used the HC in Nigeria to renew passports, etc.
Anyway, I've been to a lot of countries and never failed to find
Malayalis! My cousin's cousin was born in Tanzania, for instance, so
there must be some Malayalis there too.
However, it seems that Malayalis seem to reside permanently only in
India, Singapore, the UK, and the US. I've never met anyone in any
of the other countries who intended to remain permanently (i.e.,
several generations, like the Indians in East Africa or South Africa
or Fiji). There seems to be a large degree of homesickness amongst
Malayalis, including people like me who weren't even born there and
know Kerala only from visits to family.
Ravi Iyengar
bombay_hindi_sucks wrote in message <6uol6f$6...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>In article <6uhg1r$c...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Ravi says...
>>Well, the tamil DMK leader Karunanidhi speaks would also smell of
>>lawlessness, Hindi is different from
>>*Bhaiya* language (UP+Bihari)
>
>Nothing is cruder than Bombay Hindi ( or Bindi). It's a gutter language.
Ravi Krishna,
Woh tere jaise Bhenchodon ke liye hi banaya gaya hain.
RK hates "Bombay Hindi", but loves to watch movies made by "Bambaiyas"
wah, what an hypocrite!
fuck off,
ravi
~Hain fida to aa chudha,
Nahin to jaake Maa Chudha
Bombay_Hindi_sucks
>>>Well, the tamil DMK leader Karunanidhi speaks would also smell of
>>>lawlessness, Hindi is different from
>>>*Bhaiya* language (UP+Bihari)
>>
>>Nothing is cruder than Bombay Hindi ( or Bindi). It's a gutter language.
>
Enterainment to low IQ morons who think Hindi movies are DA best.
>No Hindi is as crude as spoken in Hindi and Bihar, you visualise violence
>with it.Bombay Hindi is fun to talk or listen.
Which state is Hindi? Bihar's maithali is a very sweet language. Of course, for
a person used to gutter language called Bindi, it is bit difficult to
appreciate.
BTW if you are tera_khandaan_ka_baap, effectively you are my khandaan.
Tu_Kutte_Se_Bhi_Neech
>Enterainment to low IQ morons who think Hindi movies are DA best.
Who said they are. Don't read in between the lines, stupid.of course,
i can't expect any better from a dumb Dravidian asshole like you.
>Which state is Hindi? Bihar's maithali is a very sweet language. Of course, for
>a person used to gutter language called Bindi, it is bit difficult to
>appreciate.
I meant UP. Colloquial Bihari Hindi and Up Hindi is what i was referring to.
Worse than shit. Of course for a person who has studied in Yamunangar among
violent Biharis and Up people, it is difficult to appreciate cool Bambaiya.
>BTW if you are tera_khandaan_ka_baap, effectively you are my khandaan.
And so you better give respect to me.
Ravi Iyengar
Ravi Krishna while pretending to work in his office wrote
>Which state is Hindi? Bihar's maithali is a very sweet language. Of course,
for
>a person used to gutter language called Bindi, it is bit difficult to
>appreciate.
Ravi Krishna,
Tere Gutter Muh se Maithali sunne se acha, apna bombay hindi hain.
>BTW if you are tera_khandaan_ka_baap, effectively you are my khandaan.
Woh Bombay hindi hain, tereko samajh mein nahin aayega RK .....
Tere_Khandaan_Ka_Baap ka matlab, Tere aur Tere Khandaan ki main achi tarah
se le sakta hoon ....
chal, chal, abhi muh mein le,
ravi
Tu_Mere_Kutte_Ki_Dum_Ke_Barabar
>BTW if you are tera_khandaan_ka_baap, effectively you are my khandaan.
For a person staying in the heart of Hindiland namely Dilli, your Hindi
is worse than shit. That should be Tere and not Tera. Of course, can't
expect anything better from illiterate cowbelters, HA HA HA.
Indian
>Can specify what you would classify as aryan features ? Without a DNA test how
>would
>you ascertain the aryanness of the brahmins ?
You can make out from the features. I agree though that some hidden
Ayanism/Dravidianism may be there in your genes but most of it shows in your
nature as i pointed out above. Many Dravidians have mixed with Aryans in TN.For
example, there are many Black skinned people in TN not having a narrow face as
that of a Dravidian, he can have facial shape of an Aryan which is slightly
broader, atleast of the Aryans who came to TN who were predominantly Brahmins.
>If the aryan had an advanced civilisation (as you claim), then why did it not
>flourish outside of India ?
The Greek and Roman civilizations were predominantly Aryan contributions.And
nothing is clear about the racial nature of the people in Sumerian civilization
though there are evidences which point to a white race(mediterranean) as
inhabitants along with the people of type who presently inhabit Africa(central
and lower).
>
>Max Muller is a racist because he does not conform to your views. If the aryans
>were
>a peace loving people, then why did they introduce the varna-ashram dharma - a
>caste
>system based on colour - varna.
No, because he proposed a "theory" which could result in damage to the
Aryan-Dravidian inhabitance in India. His point of Aryan invasion was allegedly
to prove that Aryans were superior. BTW, the varna concept came into practice
after the "Dark Ages" when there had been sufficient intermingling already.
>I have reposted an earlier article on the brahmins
We are talking history here, not trying to analyze the vedas.
Indian
rathanam
lacorti wrote:
> I also like to praise the great historical achievements of the
> Tamils Mr Rathanam, but this needs to be done according to the
> facts. By exagerating our achievements we simply give
> ammunition to our Hindian critics.
>
> Rathanam wrote:
> "Greek philosophy and civilisation was highly influenced by the
> Egyptians, who were more dravidian than aryan. Perhaps that
> explains why South Indian temples (dravidian architecture) are
> shaped like the stepped pyramids of ancient Egypt."
>
> The Egyptians were not Aryans, and they certainly were not
> Dravidian. Furthermore, there is no credible evidence of
> Dravidian influence over the Egyptian civilisation of the
> Pharaohs. As for the architecture of South Indian temples baring
> some similarity to the Pyramids, well I would suggest that this
> is a pure coincidence.
>
That's my point too, the Egyptians are not aryans. There might not be
concrete evidences, but like the Egyptian stepped pyramids, the
dravidians built (stepped gateway) towers called Gopura, serving the
same purpose as the pyramids - gateway to the Orion galaxy..
> Rathanam wrote:
> "The modern aryan religions - Christianity and Islam, are
> structured into a hierarchy like the hindu caste system e.g. the
> Pope and the Mullah etc".
>
> Christianity could not be defined historically as an Aryan
> religion. Jesus, as you would know, was Jewish. Jews like the
> Arabs are semites. They are not Aryan. It is true however that
> Christianity through its formal adoption by the Romans in the
> early Fourth century became the religion of Europe.
>
> As for Islam it is defenitively not an Aryan religion, as the Arabs
> are not Aryan.
>
Both Christianity and Islam were off shots from Judaism which had many
similarities with the Aryan based Zoroastrian beliefs, such as the
concept of Adam and Eve, Judgment day etc.
Like you have correctly pointed out, Christianity had taken an European
identity to be an aryan religion. The aryans have a history of
prosecution, ostracism, stoning, imprisonment and murdering witches,
pagans and homosexuals in Europe. This tradition was continued by the
early Christian European settlers who arrived in America in 1494 and
later by the Germans.
I have compared the aryans love for structuring and controlling society
an element common Christianity and Islam
rathanam.
Karthikeyan Madathil
>> >
>> > First off, Boses are Bengali, and the population of Tamils in
>> the world is
>>
>> Out of curiosity, aren't there some malayali Boses?
Ranjit> I don't know of any except for a Syrian Christian who was
Ranjit> named after Subash Chandra Bose.
Actually, there're quite a few, mostly named after Subash Chandra Bose.
>> I've heard of a possible connection between some malayalis and
>> the northeast Do you know anything about this?
Ranjit> I once heard Siddharath Shankar Ray say that there was a
Ranjit> strong affinity between Malayalis and Bengalis, but I
Ranjit> haven't heard what the source of such an affinity might
Ranjit> be.
Rice eaters, fish lovers, more politically/culturally aware than the
rest of the country, Socialist-leaning ...
--
rathanam
white skin and 6 feet - hardly qualifying any Tamil brahmin to be an aryan.
As an expert on features do tell us what you speculate to be dravidian features ?
The aborigines (known as adi dravidas) living in deep south before the dravidians
arrived, have features that you would classify as dravidians - dark skinned, broad
nose and face.
The Greek/Roman civilisations (minus the religious element) were highly influenced
by the Egyptians - ( refer - Orion Mystery by Adrian Gilbert). The Egyptian
mummies/ Pharaohs did not possess your so- called aryan looks. They were dark
skinned with broad nose. As I have said earlier, the dravidian temple architecture
is similar to the Egyptian's early version of stepped pyramids, which served as a
heavenly gateway.
Though the aryans, Greeks and Romans shared similar religious beliefs and mythology
e.g. Cupid = Kamadeva, Neptune = Varuna etc. Why is it that their superior religion
and culture lose grounds to Christianity and Islam in the middle east and to the
dravidians in India.
What is the definition of vedic culture and is it being practiced by the Bengalis,
Punjabis or Sindhis today ? If you are discussing history, then why analyse the
vedas based vedic culture. Except for the smartas many of the brahmins in south
India were converted through the Narada Pancharatra system.
As per the origin definition, the term brahmin does not refer to a caste, race etc.
(refer to my earlier post on this subject) So to claim that all the brahmins were
originaly aryans would be a gross mistake.
In recent time Northern India had been invaded by the Greeks, Turks, Persians
changing the language, culture and religion. If under the mughals if the north
Indians spoke and wrote their contribution in Persian would that mean Persian
language/culture was superior to vedic Indian ?
Why blame Max Muller, when the north south have always remained divided by
language, cultural and religious differences.
rathanam
> You can make out from the features. I agree though that some hidden
> Ayanism/Dravidianism may be there in your genes but most of it shows in your
> nature as i pointed out above. Many Dravidians have mixed with Aryans in TN.For
> example, there are many Black skinned people in TN not having a narrow face as
> that of a Dravidian, he can have facial shape of an Aryan which is slightly
> broader, atleast of the Aryans who came to TN who were predominantly Brahmins.
>
> >If the aryan had an advanced civilisation (as you claim), then why did it not
> >flourish outside of India ?
>
> The Greek and Roman civilizations were predominantly Aryan contributions.And
> nothing is clear about the racial nature of the people in Sumerian civilization
> though there are evidences which point to a white race(mediterranean) as
> inhabitants along with the people of type who presently inhabit Africa(central
> and lower).
>
> >
> >Max Muller is a racist because he does not conform to your views. If the aryans
> >were
> >a peace loving people, then why did they introduce the varna-ashram dharma - a
> >caste
> >system based on colour - varna.
>
> No, because he proposed a "theory" which could result in damage to the
> Aryan-Dravidian inhabitance in India. His point of Aryan invasion was allegedly
> to prove that Aryans were superior. BTW, the varna concept came into practice
> after the "Dark Ages" when there had been sufficient intermingling already.
>
> >I have reposted an earlier article on the brahmins
>
RK
Jim K Jacob wrote:
> Anybody know how many malayalis in the world? We also are in
> singapore and africa, actually I think there are alot of tamils
> in africa also, specifically south africa, and aren't there quite
> a few in fiji as well as europe and north america.
> malayalis mainly seem to concentrate in singapore, some parts
> of africa(At one time ethiopia and nigeria, don't know now)
> we have a prescence in europe, and are also concentrated in
> the "gulf" and north america.
>
There is a sizable malayali community living in Singapore/Malayasia. I would
estimate that about 5 - 10 % of the total Indian population are Malayalis.. This
means that there are approximately (prudent) 10,000 in Singapore and 100,000 in
Malaysia.
In Singapore/Malaysia they were mainly British civil servants and they returned to
Kerala after the British ( navy and air force) withdrawal from these countries.
There are a few living in Brunei.
Most of the younger generation have integrated with the Tamils through
intermarriages etc.
Some famous Malayalis from S'pore
Ex- President Mr Devan Nair now living in exile in USA for political reasons
Varija Gopinath - a talented classical musician, who won the Tamil talentime in the
1980's
Mr & Mrs Shanta Bhaskar, a husband and wife team who run a successful fine arts
academy
RK.
Narayanan
>
>You do have every right to speak in the language you want, but when you are
>in a group of non-south-indians dont speak your mother tongue. I am not
>talking about Tamils here (you very well know whom I am talking about),
>Tamils always speak in English (ok a few tamil words now and then) when with
>each other (atleast the ones I have interacted with in US and in India)
Sir such a habit is common among North Indians. Even in US it is quite
common among Indians esp from North and Gults to speak their
native language in offices
>
>Well, the tamil DMK leader Karunanidhi speaks would also smell of
>lawlessness, Hindi is different from
>*Bhaiya* language (UP+Bihari)
UP + Bihar + MP + Rajastan + Delhi
Quite Impressive list ?
>No, for the simple reason that not many educated people in india (atleast
>the post 70s) like/are able to read native languages.
My dear friend India never underwent Industrial revolution.
Countries persuing native languages have been free during that period.
Thats why most jobs in India lacks mechanisation.
Mechanisation is not just there in Indian psyche.
Those who are for mechanisation are ENglish eductcated.
>
>
>
>See man, no body ever asked you to know Marathi, no body ever asked you to
>know Bhojpuri, but knowing Hindi is well a good thing,
Learning Hindi is or not should be an induvidual decision.
Good ir bad each guy can decide for himself. Save this advice of why learning
Hindi is good to NorthIndian illiterates.
>if you dont, you lose
>out on a lot of things .... say you have a store that sells something in
>madras, some Bombayite comes and asks something for you in Hindi, you dont
>know what he is saying, its your loss ... You cant expect a Bombayite to
>learn Tamil? Or do you expect a Gujrati to learn tamil?
If he Gujju feels he has to communicate to me he has to do it
in the language I know. It can be English, why HIndi. Anyway for higer
education people have to learn English.
>>I have never heard a north Indian
>>saying that thry have make their state literate.
>
>See what is literacy? Literacy in india is very loosely defined, if you can
>sign your name , you are literate ....
That further strengthens my point. Even with such a loose defn record is so
poor in some states.
>
>
>
>>Instead I have heard
>>many many times that Tamils should not oppose Hindi. Can you
>>explain why ?
>
>I have explained it, its just 1/4th of india (ok Karnataka is not that
>opposed) that does not want to speak it,
>3/4ths communicate in it, you dont know it, its your loss.
Dont come up with 3/4, 1/4 etc. Two donkeys are not better than
one elephant.
>Hindi is not just spoken by North India, its spoken in Maharashtra, Gujarat,
>Surat .... they dont say, why should we learn Hindi? Why dont you learn
Why should all this matter. Ultimate thing is prosperity.
If people of TN can be better of even with out Hindi that shouldn't matter.
>Marathi? do they?
>
>
>dont think of this as a flame, i am just explaining my position in this ,
No I am not taking it as a bait. But What I am trying to say is,
ultimately it is the human devolopment index, per capita Income
unemloyment rate, literacy rate, puchasing power parity etc etc
that matter the most. Doesn't matter what language u speak.
We as a nation have been concetrating on wrong issues like
language and regions to promote national integration.
Just go home and figure out why separatist movements are less
in devoloped world in comparison to India despite calls
for so many calls for communal harmony and national integration
etc. Today I read a report that, in UP 33% of houses
dont have meters for power supply. Worse, those who have meters
don't pay their bills and that amounts to 11000 crores a year.
No population control no law and no justice, this exactly
are the issues that need to be fought. India struggles to get
money as loans and aids with such state of affairs in Hindi
heartland. The language spoken there needs to be national
language as there is no control of population. Think about it.
Regards
Narayanan
Bombay_Hindi_sucks_bigtime
>Tere Gutter Muh se Maithali sunne se acha, apna bombay hindi hain.
>
>>BTW if you are tera_khandaan_ka_baap, effectively you are my khandaan.
>
>Woh Bombay hindi hain, tereko samajh mein nahin aayega RK .....
>Tere_Khandaan_Ka_Baap ka matlab, Tere aur Tere Khandaan ki main achi tarah
>se le sakta hoon ....
>
>chal, chal, abhi muh mein le,
>
Didn't I say bindi is a gutter language. Here is the proof.
Who says IIT guys are classy. ?
Ravi Iyengar
>
>Didn't I say bindi is a gutter language. Here is the proof.
>
Ravi Krishna,
As I said before "Woh tere jaise BC logo ke liye hi banaya gaya hain" ...
what this means is this language started off to talk to cheap assholes like
you, when you are at the receiving end it sounds like a gutter language and
thats the whole purpose of it ... to make an asshole like you realise hes
*gutter worth*
>Who says IIT guys are classy. ?
Who said they were?
Ravi Moron Krishna thinks they teach the following things in IIT:
1. Cricket
2. Indian Music and Films
3. How to behave in society ....
Possibly he got this impression 'coz he claims his bro is a prof at IIT and
maybe his bro teaches films, indian music, cricket and social values when
he should be teaching maths ......
fuck off,
ravi
~~~~~~~~
Ravi Krishna had written earlier:
If at the end of education from IIT, one thinks that:-
Cricket: Kapil was comparable to hadlee/imran using some weird logic
of discarding the best performance and comparing only the rest.
Music: All MD's are chors like RDB without giving any reference, as in
the
case of MM.
Music: Sahir Ludhyanvi was a MD and then claims it as a slip.
Films: Govinda is a great actor.
then I think education from IIT is completely worthless.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
krish...@my-dejanews.com
Balaji Gadhiraju <bal...@vennela.2kweb.net> wrote:
> thiruna...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > t_n_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
> [Deleted]
> I fail to understand why lot of Tamilian assume that all the other
> south indian languages are derived from Tamil. That's not true. Atleast
> not in the case of Telugu. Telugu and Tamil evolved from
> Proto-Dravidian.
>
This is right. Even Kannadigas hold this view that there existed a
language called 'dravida' from which all the south Indian languages including
Tamil have evolved.
Krishna V. M
Wilson Samraj
pride and learn from the southerners. Nothing wrong something good and not
to be missed. It is just like technology transfer. Of course in this case
it from superior management skills, entrepreneural talent, a sense of
vision, IT skills and how to work hard, family and wife management skills
and not stab, murder and rape your own kind.
The Tamils may be black in colour but surely they are a force to reckon
with. Just look at the progress of the 4 south Indian states and overseas
Tamils.
Ravi Iyengar <ke...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<6usbf6$d...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
Indian
>
>In article <3606888F...@vennela.2kweb.net>,
> Balaji Gadhiraju <bal...@vennela.2kweb.net> wrote:
>> thiruna...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > t_n_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> [Deleted]
>
>> I fail to understand why lot of Tamilian assume that all the other
>> south indian languages are derived from Tamil. That's not true. Atleast
>> not in the case of Telugu. Telugu and Tamil evolved from
>> Proto-Dravidian.
>>
>
> This is right. Even Kannadigas hold this view that there existed a
>language called 'dravida' from which all the south Indian languages including
>Tamil have evolved.
>
>Krishna V. M
That "Dravida" or "Dravizha"(as it was pronounced) was closest to present day
Tamil.
Indian
Indian
>Sir such a habit is common among North Indians. Even in US it is quite
>common among Indians esp from North and Gults to speak their
>native language in offices
And Tamilians speak ? i guess, Somali, in their offices.
>UP + Bihar + MP + Rajastan + Delhi
>Quite Impressive list ?
you hardly know of anything North Indian other than half baked facts. Most
Rajasthanis speak a language called Marwari. Delhi is a cosmopolitan city with
many Up, Bihar and Rajasthani people.
>Learning Hindi is or not should be an induvidual decision.Good ir bad each guy
>can decide for himself.
We are just volunteering ideas to ignorant people opposing Hindi.
If everything was left for individual decision, then India will be split into
million nations.
> Save this advice of why learning
>Hindi is good to NorthIndian illiterates.
And what precisely is the literacy of TN ? A 100 % ? A 90 at least for such
needless flaunting.
>Anyway for higer
>education people have to learn English.
And we are not saying that a language other than English needs to be the
language of education in India.
>>>I have never heard a north Indian
>>>saying that thry have make their state literate.
Again, what is TN's literacy ? And what do you mean by a N.Indian ? After all,
states like Maharashtra almost beat the TN in literacy. And a really N.Indian
state like Punjab has almost the same literacy as TN. There is a lot of
difference between saying and doing things like in the case of TN. Just look at
Kerala with almost 100% literacy and Keralites. Do any of them flaunt stupidly
like TNers ?
>Dont come up with 3/4, 1/4 etc. Two donkeys are not better than
>one elephant.
And how do you decide who is a donkey ?
>Why should all this matter. Ultimate thing is prosperity.
Yeah..how rich is TN or its people ? I go to Madras and see some of the
filthiest places i have seen in India. People are sweating it out in the heat
with no gas, electricity etc in many places. Banks still take hours to provide
customer service and poor at that. TN temples are one of the dirtiest in India.
And most of the rich guys are people from Rajasthan. So, where is your
prospereity, my dear ignorant friend ? Atleast places like Bombay, Ahmedabad,
Baroda, Surat etc have indivdual prospereity, industrial advancement, jobs etc
for the poor. What does TN provide, huh ?
>If people of TN can be better of even with out Hindi that shouldn't matter.
Yeah, like now ??? TN is going poorer than Karnataka for your kind info. People
in TN villages still kill female infants, where does your so-called literacy go
at that time,sir ? Zamindari system is still practised in many TN villages by
land owners. The few rich still exploit the many illiterate poor and so on.
>No I am not taking it as a bait. But What I am trying to say is,
>ultimately it is the human devolopment index
Like people killing female infants ?
>, per capita Income
TN lags behind North Indian states like Punjab, Maharshtra, Gujarat there.
>unemloyment rate,
Again, TN lags behind many N.Indian states. Heck, it lags behind even Karnataka.
>literacy rate,
A mere 60% is not enough to flaunt, you know.
>puchasing power parity etc etc
TN hardly has resources to speak of.Its natives are not known for business
intelligence too, so where is the money, dude ?
>that matter the most. Doesn't matter what language u speak.
We are not opposing English as official or business or educational language. In
Bombay, majority speak English at offices, study in English schools and most
business documents are in English. But still they speak Hindi as it promotes
unity among the many cosmopolitan communities of Bombay. Same is the case with
Delhi, Calcutta, Ahmedabad, Pune, Chandigarh, Lucknow etc etc etc.
>We as a nation have been concetrating on wrong issues like
>language to promote national integration.
If it helps, why not do so ? The same people are not saying that get Hindi
into every aspect of life. We are just saying knowing that language will promote
better unity among Indians as it will bring Indians closer together in heart.
Tell me why Hindian prime misnisters like Gujral and vajpayeee are able to talk
and negotiate better with pakistani counterparts ? None other than the fact they
speak in colloquial Hindi and Urdu which are almost the same.
>Just go home and figure out why separatist movements are less
>in devoloped world in comparison to India despite calls
>for so many calls for communal harmony and national integration
>etc.
You are right, spearatist movements are less in advanced countries like US and
Australia etc even with pertinent problems like racism and with a significant
minority because they speak a common language. Heck, if not for one language, US
would have broken to many pieces with its immigrants from respective nations.
> The language spoken there needs to be national
>language as there is no control of population. Think about it.
It is You who needs to think about it. Promoting a common national language has
nothing to do with controlling population,human developement etc. But it is
better for the good of the nation, a feeling of closeness among its inhabitants.
go and rethink on what you wrote with a calm and unbiased mind. That will solve
a lot of your confusion which is evident here.
Indian
Wilson Samraj
yourselves.
gdr...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
<6ue6tg$ttd$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
In article <6uc5mt$4...@drn.newsguy.com>,
Indian wrote:
> In article <01bde5da$544e70e0$b2d115a5@default>, "Wilson says...
> >
> >In the past the Aryans used to look down on Tamils as dust as if they
would
> >vomit blood. Now they have no option but to look up at us we Tamils who
> >have proven our capacity beyond doubt. The reasons are as follows :
> >
> >1. Chief Defence Scientist - Dr A. P. J. Kalam, No nuke Tests without
> >him!
>
> proto-Dravidian
>
> >1. Chairman of Atomic Agency in India is Tamil blood. Got brains!
>
> proto-Aryan
>
> >
> >2. Ex-Minister for Commerce - Mr Chidambaram, Harvard Educated, Got
Brains
>
> proto-none :-)..not exactly a proto-Dravidian either.
>
> >
> >3. Foreign Minister, Singapore, Professor Jayakumar, Overseas Indian
> >Tamil, Got Brains and leadership qualities.
>
> BS..how is Singapore stuff related to talk about India and Indian
citizens ?
>
> >Aryans can't afford to ignore the black bees from the south. The brains
are
> >there.
>
> Do you want me to list the Aryan contributions to India till now ? Start
from
> ancient Indian culture perhaps.....
>
> Again, solid confusion regarding South Indians particularly Tamils..how
is it
> assumed that they are all Dravidians(or not Aryans !). Was any major
> contribution to the world by India known before Aryans came to India ??
Your
> answer lies in that....
>
I dare you to list your parota aryans or proto aryans indigenous
contribution
to the Indian sub continent. OK even from the ancient times.
List one one single item where your parota Aryans indigenously contributed
to
the help of the current life style of a human or a hindian or atleast your
own
parota’s.
Kama sutra ? How to mate as if we don’t know that earlier.
Artha sastra? How to suck the blood of the poor peasants?
Manusastra? How to protect the parota Aryans in the name of religion?
You corrupted and destroyed the only indigenous civilization of the
subcontinent and started a barbarism. Divided the native people and made
the
whole north India like a female prostitute (Yes Mr. Kissinger made a apt
comment) for every marauding conquerors starting from Greek, or Mongolians
or kushanas or Moguls or any body who had a knife. You are talking about
contributions.
Your own indigenous language was DEAD ( YES SANSKRIT WAS DEAD When is the
dhidhi) and you are clinging on to another which owe half of its to
Paraseekam. You don’t even have an indigenous music and you owe a great a
lot
again to Paraseekam. You are talking about contributions.
With all the help from the WESTERN EDUCATION and the broad minded western
scientific community, ( I know the amount of western journals and
publications
helping our great indigenous Science institutions and laboratories day to
day
work)
Could you able to deliver a satellite from your own rocket launching site
to a
correct orbit?
How many crores of poor peoples tax money you morons blown up?
(Yes, we accept only parota Aryans are there in the ISRO)
Could you able to design a nuclear reactor on your own? ( Yap every body
knows how you are kneeling before Russians and begging for a nuclear
reactor?) Your own atomic energy commission chairman is begging for a US
visa. If you are so great, these people should beg you to come to their
country. (Yes we know that fellow is a parota Aryan)
You morons even lied about the exact facts about the recent nuclear blasts
(Thanks to LA times)
What happen to the LCA? As soon as Americans washed their hands, LCA is
also
gone.
Now you are going to develop the engine on your own. You morons you cant
even
design an indigenous automobile engine (For that perennially sucking
Japanese,
US, German, Italy, French) are you going to design an indigenous aircraft
engine??. (Yes all the Indians needed a reality check here)(Yap we know
that
DRDO, HAL are infested with you morons.)
Parota – Aryans did nothing and we like it or not we owe every thing to the
broad-minded western education and to the western scientific community.
You denied our sense of being a human being, you treated us like an animal,
you denied us our education (yes even poured molten lead over our ears for
tring to learn) and now you are talking about our contributions?
We didn’t do one thing and that is the great contribution.
We didn’t suck the blood of any natives like a parasite. That you did.
gdravid
> Indian
>
> ps: i am not degrading Dravidian Tamils but to diregard Aryans for brains
can
be
> the dumbest thing the Dravidians have done till now in their prolonged
history
> in India.
>
Ps: You cant degrade any worse than your sastra's and veda's . The only
dumbest thing the Dravidians have done till now in their prolonged history
is that they have put up with the parota-aryans to this extent.
Wilson Samraj
The proud and haughty North Indians ought to wake up and swallow their
pride and learn from the southerners things like superior management
Wilson Samraj
beaters and skunks.
Learn foreign languages and foreign cultures. North Indian cities are like
gettoes. Only pigs and dogs are fit to live in North India where women are
battered everyday by their husbands.
Indian wrote in article <6uu0br$7...@drn.newsguy.com>...
am...@my-dejanews.com
Shridhar Wrote:
> In article <6uq7ks$9...@pdrn.zippo.com>, Narayanan says...
>
> >Sir such a habit is common among North Indians. Even in US it is quite
> >common among Indians esp from North and Gults to speak their
> >native language in offices
>
> And Tamilians speak ? i guess, Somali, in their offices.
Somali is better than Hindi right ?
>
> >UP + Bihar + MP + Rajastan + Delhi
> >Quite Impressive list ?
>
> you hardly know of anything North Indian other than half baked facts. Most
> Rajasthanis speak a language called Marwari. Delhi is a cosmopolitan city with
> many Up, Bihar and Rajasthani people.
Where they kill Sardars in 1000s overnight ??
>
> >Learning Hindi is or not should be an induvidual decision.Good ir bad each
guy
> >can decide for himself.
>
> We are just volunteering ideas to ignorant people opposing Hindi.
> If everything was left for individual decision, then India will be split into
> million nations.
SO what ?? If that makes people prosperous so be it ?
>
> > Save this advice of why learning
> >Hindi is good to NorthIndian illiterates.
>
> And what precisely is the literacy of TN ? A 100 % ? A 90 at least for such
> needless flaunting.
>
HE HE it it is 70 % and guess what is it in North 40 %
> Again, what is TN's literacy ? And what do you mean by a N.Indian ? After all,
> states like Maharashtra almost beat the TN in literacy. And a really N.Indian
> state like Punjab has almost the same literacy as TN. There is a lot of
> difference between saying and doing things like in the case of TN. Just look
at
> Kerala with almost 100% literacy and Keralites. Do any of them flaunt stupidly
> like TNers ?
>
> >Dont come up with 3/4, 1/4 etc. Two donkeys are not better than
> >one elephant.
>
> And how do you decide who is a donkey ?
Based on literacy rate.
>
> >Why should all this matter. Ultimate thing is prosperity.
>
> Yeah..how rich is TN or its people ? I go to Madras and see some of the
> filthiest places i have seen in India. People are sweating it out in the heat
> with no gas,
]
Oh gobar gas in North eh
electricity etc in many places. Banks still take hours to provide
> customer service and poor at that. TN temples are one of the dirtiest in
India.
Oh the greatest Ayodhya He he he. Kashi and matura too.
> And most of the rich guys are people from Rajasthan. So, where is your
> prospereity, my dear ignorant friend ? Atleast places like Bombay, Ahmedabad,
> Baroda, Surat etc have indivdual prospereity, industrial advancement, jobs etc
> for the poor. What does TN provide, huh ?
>
HE HE TN is 3rd in industry looks like Shridhar is not aware of India
Mahrashtara is 5th.
> >If people of TN can be better of even with out Hindi that shouldn't matter.
>
> Yeah, like now ??? TN is going poorer than Karnataka for your kind info.
People
> in TN villages still kill female infants, where does your so-called literacy
Ever heard of NasBandhi ??
> at that time,sir ? Zamindari system is still practised in many TN villages by
U don't have any knowledege of what the fuck u are talking
> land owners. The few rich still exploit the many illiterate poor and so on.
>
> >No I am not taking it as a bait. But What I am trying to say is,
> >ultimately it is the human devolopment index
>
> Like people killing female infants ?
>
Not worse than Punjab Mumbai riots and Bombs and Delhi riots
etc etc etc
> >, per capita Income
>
> TN lags behind North Indian states like Punjab, Maharshtra, Gujarat there.
Great when did guj and Maharashra become North ???
>
> >unemloyment rate,
>
> Again, TN lags behind many N.Indian states. Heck, it lags behind even
Karnataka.
>
> >literacy rate,
>
> A mere 60% is not enough to flaunt, you know.
70% and is increasing. it is 40 % now in HIndi land and will decreas with
more Hindians
>
> >puchasing power parity etc etc
>
> TN hardly has resources to speak of.Its natives are not known for business
> intelligence too, so where is the money, dude ?
Why is TN 3rd in Industry then.
>
Go get some balls Shridhar Iyer and post on original ID
Narayanan
am...@my-dejanews.com
>
> >Sir such a habit is common among North Indians. Even in US it is quite
> >common among Indians esp from North and Gults to speak their
> >native language in offices
>
> And Tamilians speak ? i guess, Somali, in their offices.
Somali is better than Hindi right ?
>
> >UP + Bihar + MP + Rajastan + Delhi
> >Quite Impressive list ?
>
> you hardly know of anything North Indian other than half baked facts. Most
> Rajasthanis speak a language called Marwari. Delhi is a cosmopolitan city with
> many Up, Bihar and Rajasthani people.
Where they kill Sardars in 1000s overnight ??
>
> >Learning Hindi is or not should be an induvidual decision.Good ir bad each
guy
> >can decide for himself.
>
> We are just volunteering ideas to ignorant people opposing Hindi.
> If everything was left for individual decision, then India will be split into
> million nations.
SO what ?? If that makes people prosperous so be it ?
>
> > Save this advice of why learning
> >Hindi is good to NorthIndian illiterates.
>
> And what precisely is the literacy of TN ? A 100 % ? A 90 at least for such
> needless flaunting.
>
HE HE it it is 70 % and guess what is it in North 40 %
> Again, what is TN's literacy ? And what do you mean by a N.Indian ? After all,
> states like Maharashtra almost beat the TN in literacy. And a really N.Indian
> state like Punjab has almost the same literacy as TN. There is a lot of
> difference between saying and doing things like in the case of TN. Just look
at
> Kerala with almost 100% literacy and Keralites. Do any of them flaunt stupidly
> like TNers ?
>
> >Dont come up with 3/4, 1/4 etc. Two donkeys are not better than
> >one elephant.
>
> And how do you decide who is a donkey ?
Based on literacy rate.
>
> >Why should all this matter. Ultimate thing is prosperity.
>
> Yeah..how rich is TN or its people ? I go to Madras and see some of the
> filthiest places i have seen in India. People are sweating it out in the heat
> with no gas,
]
Oh gobar gas in North eh
electricity etc in many places. Banks still take hours to provide
> customer service and poor at that. TN temples are one of the dirtiest in
India.
Oh the greatest Ayodhya He he he. Kashi and matura too.
> And most of the rich guys are people from Rajasthan. So, where is your
> prospereity, my dear ignorant friend ? Atleast places like Bombay, Ahmedabad,
> Baroda, Surat etc have indivdual prospereity, industrial advancement, jobs etc
> for the poor. What does TN provide, huh ?
>
HE HE TN is 3rd in industry looks like Shridhar is not aware of India
Mahrashtara is 5th.
> >If people of TN can be better of even with out Hindi that shouldn't matter.
>
> Yeah, like now ??? TN is going poorer than Karnataka for your kind info.
People
> in TN villages still kill female infants, where does your so-called literacy
Ever heard of NasBandhi ??
> at that time,sir ? Zamindari system is still practised in many TN villages by
U don't have any knowledege of what the fuck u are talking
> land owners. The few rich still exploit the many illiterate poor and so on.
>
> >No I am not taking it as a bait. But What I am trying to say is,
> >ultimately it is the human devolopment index
>
> Like people killing female infants ?
>
Not worse than Punjab Mumbai riots and Bombs and Delhi riots
etc etc etc
> >, per capita Income
>
> TN lags behind North Indian states like Punjab, Maharshtra, Gujarat there.
Great when did guj and Maharashra become North ???
>
> >unemloyment rate,
>
> Again, TN lags behind many N.Indian states. Heck, it lags behind even
Karnataka.
>
> >literacy rate,
>
> A mere 60% is not enough to flaunt, you know.
70% and is increasing. it is 40 % now in HIndi land and will decreas with
more Hindians
>
> >puchasing power parity etc etc
>
> TN hardly has resources to speak of.Its natives are not known for business
> intelligence too, so where is the money, dude ?
zo...@my-dejanews.com
> >
sorry for butting in... I guess it is high time we started to realise that
these petty quarrels are no good. Sorry to sound rude, but internal rivalry
and fighting has always been a major problem in India.
First let's agree to the most important thing that the Southies have better
brains than the Northies... And Mumbai is West. Gujarat too. Bengal is East.
So let's get the baselines straight. And secondly, let's agree on something
and understand our limits and act accordingly. Why don't we just do what the
rest of the world is doing and prosper, instead of screwing each others'
happiness and jumping into the cesspool together?
1. South Indians are mostly dravidian mix. North Indians are Aryans to a
higher percentage. 2. North Indians are stronger than most South Indians.
South Indians are normally equipped with a better IQ. 3. Gujjus and Sindhis
make the best businessmen in India. Some South Indians are very good
Industrialists. 4. Bongs are known for their IQ and concentration. Sikhs and
Jats for their endurance.
All these things should make us proud that we have so many resources in India.
But the major fuck-up with indians is that they just have to go on this stupid
trip of picking each others' balls and giving a chance for others to rape all
of us.
why don't we all go and get a life and do something productive? this is all so
fucked up and useless. 'nuff said.
--
cheers,
zolog
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