Why do brahmins tout their caste names?
Madurai Veeran
surprised to see a good number of Indians. I would say about 20% of the
attendees were Indians. Much to P.Siddarth's dismay, about 50% of those
Indians happen be from Tamil Nadu of non-brahmin descent. No, MF.
P.Siddarth the rest 50% were not brahmins from Tamil Nadu.
For one thing, reservations do seem to have produced the intended
benefits. Now comes the interesting thing. I noticed only two Tamil
brahmins in the entire crowd. If you are wondering how did I figure
that out, well it is not by their 'holy' thread or by the marks on the
forehead. These two guys wore nametags saying Mr.X-iyer and Mr.Y-
iyengar.
For those of you, who may not know the naming conventions of Tamil Nadu
(and Pondicherry), for the past 50 years or so, we stopped using last
names, which invariably denote the caste. And exactly for that reason,
you see names like Raghu Parthasarathi or Parthasarathy Siddarth. If
you have lived in North India, you certainly would have encountered
questions from morons in the North about your last name. Any amount of
explaining would not make any sense to those morons.
Now lets come to the question. Why is that only bramins tend to tout
their caste names and still claim on this newsgroup they are very much
anti-caste and such crap? Have you ever seen any one with a nametag as
mudaliar, chettiar, pillai, or any such thing?
Madurai Veeran
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Reddy
Pillais
Naidus
Mudaliar
Nayakar
Chetty
still in Tamil Nadu ? It is because the caste names denote their former and
some times present glory, we have go beyond mere caste names by certain
individuals in our interactions with fellow human beings.
Open your vistas and go beyond the Brahmin phobia, brahmins might have had
total control, not any more in any part of India. With and without Dravidian
movement every Indian seems to figured out that they deserve a piece of the pie
too and they are getting it no matter what, if not there will be war like in
Bihar and UP. Atleast in Tamilnad the time has come for Tamilians to close
ranks to work together for the bettermant of the whole state and beyond.
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> Last week I was at a workshop in the Silicon valley and I was pleasantly
> surprised to see a good number of Indians. I would say about 20% of the
> attendees were Indians. Much to P.Siddarth's dismay, about 50% of those
> Indians happen be from Tamil Nadu of non-brahmin descent.
How do you know they were of non-brahmin caste? please let us know.
> No, MF.
> P.Siddarth the rest 50% were not brahmins from Tamil Nadu.
>
> For one thing, reservations do seem to have produced the intended
> benefits.
Like producing NRIs??
> Now comes the interesting thing. I noticed only two Tamil
> brahmins in the entire crowd. If you are wondering how did I figure
> that out, well it is not by their 'holy' thread or by the marks on the
> forehead. These two guys wore nametags saying Mr.X-iyer and Mr.Y-
> iyengar.
How can anyone say that just becuase X-2 people did not sport "Iyer/iyengar"
tag , they were not brahmins. This is a classic circular argument. You
notice two people with 'iyer/iyengar' tag. From this you conclude that
those who don't sport it are definitely not TN Brahmins. From this you
conclude that only the first two are necessarily brahmins. Then from this
small sample, you ask the question Why do brahmins tout their caste names?
> For those of you, who may not know the naming conventions of Tamil Nadu
> (and Pondicherry), for the past 50 years or so, we stopped using last
> names, which invariably denote the caste.
Which "we"? And what about the grim fact that TN has one of the highest
nember of inter-caste clashes and deaths in India. In the last 50 years,
1000s of tamilians have died in the inter-caste clashes. Should this be
somehow related to dropping the last name which invariably denoted caste
name?
> And exactly for that reason,
What reason?
> you see names like Raghu Parthasarathi or Parthasarathy Siddarth.
What does it mean? what are these two names supposed to mean?
> If
> you have lived in North India, you certainly would have encountered
> questions from morons in the North about your last name. Any amount of
> explaining would not make any sense to those morons.
What is so moronic about being curious about last names? Curiosity is the
first step in knowledge
>
>
> Now lets come to the question. Why is that only bramins tend to tout
> their caste names
This has already proved to be a circular argument.
> and still claim on this newsgroup they are very much
> anti-caste and such crap? Have you ever seen any one with a nametag as
> mudaliar, chettiar, pillai, or any such thing?
We have. For example, one of the top 500 richest, working men/women is the
world is one Shiva Nadar, who is a software magnate in India. The former
Vice chancellor of Madras Uni. was one Ramaswamy mudaliar. There is so many
posters in the NGs with 'pillai' tag or 'Nair' tag
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
>
> For one thing, reservations do seem to have produced the intended
> benefits. Now comes the interesting thing. I noticed only two Tamil
> brahmins in the entire crowd. If you are wondering how did I figure
> that out, well it is not by their 'holy' thread or by the marks on the
> forehead. These two guys wore nametags saying Mr.X-iyer and Mr.Y-
> iyengar.
You could not have figures that out by holy thread because usually
professional meetings there is dress code and participants are not excacly
topless. Marks on the forhead have no direct relation to caste. Sectarian
religious marks run parellel to caste.
M. Ranjit Mathews
I presme you mean orthogonal rather than parallel.
pallavan
That is is a historical data!
If we asked about a Paranjothy, we canot answer. But if we know
Siruthondar who captured Vatapi, we know well that Paranjothi from
others. Pallava Paranjothi is not an ordinary Tamil Paranjothi!
Even you are not in a position to understand the difference between
Pallan and Pallavan!
Caste names are history!
Madurai Veeran
V.C.Vijayaraghavan <vi...@vossnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:377F3676...@vossnet.co.uk...
> Madurai Veeran wrote:
>
> > Last week I was at a workshop in the Silicon valley and I was pleasantly
> > surprised to see a good number of Indians. I would say about 20% of the
> > attendees were Indians. Much to P.Siddarth's dismay, about 50% of those
> > Indians happen be from Tamil Nadu of non-brahmin descent.
>
> How do you know they were of non-brahmin caste? please let us know.
>
Mr. Vijayaraghavan is playing smart here. He knows as much as I do that
there are Tamil names that are exclusively brahmin (eg. Pattabiraman)
and there are names that are exclusively non-brahmin (eg. Selvakumaran).
And of course there are names one can not distinguish. Well, how does
one tell if he is a brahmin?
[1] Does he sport a moustache? If he does, most likely he is not
a brahmin. There, of course, are a few brahmins who do sport a
moustache or a goatee.
[2] Does he turn into a sour puss after he looks at your
nametag? Then he is a brahmin.
[3] Does he turn his face the other way, after looking at you or your
name tag? Then he is a brahmin.
[4] Does he put on a fake American accent when he talks to you? Then
he is a brahmin.
[5] Does he try to be a smart ass in front of white Americans? Then
he is a brahmin.
[6] Does he ignore your smile or in an act to acknowledge your smile,
does he act as if he is a big tough shit? Then he is a brahmin.
> > No, MF.
> > P.Siddarth the rest 50% were not brahmins from Tamil Nadu.
> >
> > For one thing, reservations do seem to have produced the intended
> > benefits.
>
> Like producing NRIs??
>
No, my dear smarty pants. By the way, do you also judge the benefit of IITs
to Indians, in terms of the number of NRIs?
> > Now comes the interesting thing. I noticed only two Tamil
> > brahmins in the entire crowd. If you are wondering how did I figure
> > that out, well it is not by their 'holy' thread or by the marks on the
> > forehead. These two guys wore nametags saying Mr.X-iyer and Mr.Y-
> > iyengar.
>
> How can anyone say that just becuase X-2 people did not sport
"Iyer/iyengar"
> tag , they were not brahmins. This is a classic circular argument. You
> notice two people with 'iyer/iyengar' tag. From this you conclude that
> those who don't sport it are definitely not TN Brahmins. From this you
> conclude that only the first two are necessarily brahmins.
Read above for answer to some of your questions
> Then from this
> small sample, you ask the question Why do brahmins tout their caste names?
>
No one else in that 50% I am talking about wore nametags like Pillai,
Mudaliar,
Thevar or whatever. Only the bramanals wore the caste nametag. And not
surprisingly, Mr.X.Iyers face turned into a monkey's ass as soon as he
saw my nametag. By the way, we were the only two in the elevator at that
time.
>
> > For those of you, who may not know the naming conventions of Tamil Nadu
> > (and Pondicherry), for the past 50 years or so, we stopped using last
> > names, which invariably denote the caste.
>
> Which "we"? And what about the grim fact that TN has one of the highest
> nember of inter-caste clashes and deaths in India.
This is a typical brahmin tactic. He will always veer off tangentially
to avoid answering the issue at hand.
> In the last 50 years,
> 1000s of tamilians have died in the inter-caste clashes.
I am not denying this or that claiming that dropping off caste names was
meant to be
'the' solution to eliminate caste conflicts. Dropping off caste names is an
attempt
in the right direction, to eliminate conflicts.
>Should this be
> somehow related to dropping the last name which invariably denoted caste
> name?
>
> > And exactly for that reason,
>
> What reason?
>
Already answered above.
> > you see names like Raghu Parthasarathi or Parthasarathy Siddarth.
>
> What does it mean? what are these two names supposed to mean?
>
> > If
> > you have lived in North India, you certainly would have encountered
> > questions from morons in the North about your last name. Any amount of
> > explaining would not make any sense to those morons.
>
> What is so moronic about being curious about last names? Curiosity is the
> first step in knowledge.
>
Mr. Vijayaraghavn, you are kidding yourself here. Curiosity, my foot.
Those morons simply can not and did not care to understand or appreicate
customs and traditions of Southern India (TN in particular). Don't tell
me that you were not asked about your last name when you lived in the North.
Contrary to what you might think, I do know a large number of Tamils in
Delhi
and surprise, surprise, most of them were very good brahmins who were proud
to claim Tamil descent.
> >
> >
> > Now lets come to the question. Why is that only bramins tend to tout
> > their caste names
>
> This has already proved to be a circular argument.
>
> > and still claim on this newsgroup they are very much
> > anti-caste and such crap? Have you ever seen any one with a nametag as
> > mudaliar, chettiar, pillai, or any such thing?
>
> We have. For example, one of the top 500 richest, working men/women is
the
> world is one Shiva Nadar, who is a software magnate in India.
Of course, Kamaraj Nadar, Rajagopalachari, Ramaswamy/Lakshmanaswamy
mudaliars
wore their caste names. And they were not born in the time period I am
talking
about.
> The former
> Vice chancellor of Madras Uni. was one Ramaswamy mudaliar. There is so
many
> posters in the NGs with 'pillai' tag or 'Nair' tag
>
Mr.Vijayaraghavan, Why do you think all those Pillais come from Tamil Nadu.
I will bet my farm (which I do not have) that they are from outside India
(possibly Singapore, Malaysia, South Africa). And there are no Nairs
from who claim they are Tamils.
And sure, Mr.Vijayaraghavan knows all about this!
Madurai Veeran
Madurai Veeran
Sutharshan <sutha...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:19990704031924...@ng-fu1.aol.com...
> Why then we have
>
> Reddy
> Pillais
> Naidus
> Mudaliar
> Nayakar
> Chetty
>
> still in Tamil Nadu ?
I think you mistook the title of my post. Sure, every one from Tamil Nadu
knows that there are Reddys, Pillais, Naidus etc. But are the caste
names still used as last names in birth certificates? In all the years
I spent in India, I never came across a brahmin or a non-brahmin from
TN or Pondicherry, who had his caste name as part of his name. This laudable
tradition, is of recent origin (may be in the past 50 years or so).
And precisely for this reason, Mr. Sutharshan's birth certificate, school
and college diplomas refer to him as Mr.X.Sutharshan and not as
Mr. Sutharshan Mudaliar/Chettiar/Pillai/Nayakar/Naidu etc. Or for that
matter Mr.Vijayaraghavan is not known as Mr.Vijayaraghavan
Iyer/Iyenger/Acharya/
Shastri etc.
In the five and a half years I spent at Delhi, I came across only one
individual who called herself Miss X Iyer. She explained that she got tired
of being asked about first name and last name that she chose to use the
real last name.
I can not imagine that you do not know what I am talking about.
>It is because the caste names denote their former and
> some times present glory, we have go beyond mere caste names by certain
> individuals in our interactions with fellow human beings.
>
I do not disagree with your view. However, those individuals who choose
to break some noble traditions by reinventing caste tags to advertise their
'past or present glory' use it to exploit the benefits that accrue from
overtly exposing their caste tags.
Coming back to my experience of last week, this Mr.X.Iyer turned his
face away as soon as he saw my name tag.
> Open your vistas and go beyond the Brahmin phobia, brahmins might have had
> total control, not any more in any part of India. With and without
Dravidian
> movement every Indian seems to figured out that they deserve a piece of
the pie
> too and they are getting it no matter what, if not there will be war like
in
> Bihar and UP. Atleast in Tamilnad the time has come for Tamilians to close
> ranks to work together for the bettermant of the whole state and beyond.
I sincerely appreciate your attitude towards brahmins. I wish you were on
the net in the past couple of years to hear the venom and vitriol hurled
at the entire Tamil community (read non-brahmins here) by the brahmins
on the net. In particular, I can recall one motherf****r by name Guru
Balaram who used to write such derogatory things about Tamils on the net.
Once I cleanse
this newsgroup of such spineless worms, I will stop posting anti-brahmin
rhetoric.
Madurai Veeran
Raghu Seshadri
: [1] Does he sport a moustache? If he does, most likely he is not
: a brahmin. There, of course, are a few brahmins who do sport a
: moustache or a goatee.
:
: [2] Does he turn into a sour puss after he looks at your
: nametag? Then he is a brahmin.
:
: [3] Does he turn his face the other way, after looking at you or your
: name tag? Then he is a brahmin.
:
: [4] Does he put on a fake American accent when he talks to you? Then
: he is a brahmin.
:
: [5] Does he try to be a smart ass in front of white Americans? Then
: he is a brahmin.
:
: [6] Does he ignore your smile or in an act to acknowledge your smile,
: does he act as if he is a big tough shit? Then he is a brahmin.
But this is just vulgar abuse, produced by
sheer bigotry and low or lack of culture. This
is just as trashy as saying "Shudras smell bad,
they are born stupid, they can't debate
rationally and can only resort to abuse".
This sort of thing degrades the writer more
than the people who are the object of his
bilious hate.
RS
Madurai Veeran
THEIR CASTE ARE BRAHMINS. And these guys are casteists to the core,
who talk big on the net.
Madurai Veeran
Sutharshan <sutha...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:19990704031924...@ng-fu1.aol.com...
> Why then we have
>
> Reddy
> Pillais
> Naidus
> Mudaliar
> Nayakar
> Chetty
>
> still in Tamil Nadu ? It is because the caste names denote their former
and
> some times present glory, we have go beyond mere caste names by certain
> individuals in our interactions with fellow human beings.
>
Madurai Veeran
Raghu Seshadri <sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote in message
news:7loejo$b...@darkstar.ucsc.edu...
> Madurai Veeran (Madurai...@dnai.com) wrote:
> : [1] Does he sport a moustache? If he does, most likely he is not
> : a brahmin. There, of course, are a few brahmins who do sport a
> : moustache or a goatee.
> :
> : [2] Does he turn into a sour puss after he looks at your
> : nametag? Then he is a brahmin.
> :
> : [3] Does he turn his face the other way, after looking at you or your
> : name tag? Then he is a brahmin.
> :
> : [4] Does he put on a fake American accent when he talks to you? Then
> : he is a brahmin.
> :
> : [5] Does he try to be a smart ass in front of white Americans? Then
> : he is a brahmin.
> :
> : [6] Does he ignore your smile or in an act to acknowledge your smile,
> : does he act as if he is a big tough shit? Then he is a brahmin.
>
> sheer bigotry and low or lack of culture. This
> is just as trashy as saying "Shudras smell bad,
> they are born stupid, they can't debate
> rationally and can only resort to abuse".
>
> This sort of thing degrades the writer more
> than the people who are the object of his
> bilious hate.
>
> RS
Mr.Seshadri, as usual, chose not to answer my original question.
What is so vulgar about what I have written. I see this everyday.
AND THE ONLY GUYS (OF TAMIL DESCENT) WHO RUN WEBSITES TO ADVERTISE
THEIR CASTE ARE BRAHMINS. And these guys are casteists to the core,
who talk big on the net.
Madurai Veeran
Madurai Veeran
and...@my-deja.com
You did point out some cultural/external differences between the
brahmins and non-brahmins of tamilnadu. I was curious to know if there
is any real racial difference between the two groups.
sr
In article <7lomri$6av$1...@pollux.dnai.com>,
"Madurai Veeran" <Madurai...@dnai.com> wrote:
>
> Raghu Seshadri <sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote in message
> news:7loejo$b...@darkstar.ucsc.edu...
> > Madurai Veeran (Madurai...@dnai.com) wrote:
> > : [1] Does he sport a moustache? If he does, most likely he is not
> > : a brahmin. There, of course, are a few brahmins who do sport a
> > : moustache or a goatee.
> > :
> > : [2] Does he turn into a sour puss after he looks at your
> > : nametag? Then he is a brahmin.
> > :
> > : [3] Does he turn his face the other way, after looking at you or
your
> > : name tag? Then he is a brahmin.
> > :
> > : [4] Does he put on a fake American accent when he talks to you?
Then
> > : he is a brahmin.
> > :
> > : [5] Does he try to be a smart ass in front of white Americans?
Then
> > : he is a brahmin.
> > :
> > : [6] Does he ignore your smile or in an act to acknowledge your
smile,
> > : does he act as if he is a big tough shit? Then he is a
brahmin.
> >
> > But this is just vulgar abuse, produced by
> > sheer bigotry and low or lack of culture. This
> > is just as trashy as saying "Shudras smell bad,
> > they are born stupid, they can't debate
> > rationally and can only resort to abuse".
> >
> > This sort of thing degrades the writer more
> > than the people who are the object of his
> > bilious hate.
> >
> > RS
>
> Mr.Seshadri, as usual, chose not to answer my original question.
>
> What is so vulgar about what I have written. I see this everyday.
>
> AND THE ONLY GUYS (OF TAMIL DESCENT) WHO RUN WEBSITES TO ADVERTISE
> THEIR CASTE ARE BRAHMINS. And these guys are casteists to the core,
> who talk big on the net.
>
> Madurai Veeran
>
> Madurai Veeran
>
>
and...@my-deja.com
You did point out some cultural/external differences between the
brahmins and non-brahmins of tamilnadu. I was curious to know if there
are any real racial differences between the two groups.
sr
In article <7lomri$6av$1...@pollux.dnai.com>,
"Madurai Veeran" <Madurai...@dnai.com> wrote:
>
> Raghu Seshadri <sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote in message
> news:7loejo$b...@darkstar.ucsc.edu...
> > Madurai Veeran (Madurai...@dnai.com) wrote:
> > : [1] Does he sport a moustache? If he does, most likely he is not
> > : a brahmin. There, of course, are a few brahmins who do sport a
> > : moustache or a goatee.
> > :
> > : [2] Does he turn into a sour puss after he looks at your
> > : nametag? Then he is a brahmin.
> > :
> > : [3] Does he turn his face the other way, after looking at you or
your
> > : name tag? Then he is a brahmin.
> > :
> > : [4] Does he put on a fake American accent when he talks to you?
Then
> > : he is a brahmin.
> > :
> > : [5] Does he try to be a smart ass in front of white Americans?
Then
> > : he is a brahmin.
> > :
> > : [6] Does he ignore your smile or in an act to acknowledge your
smile,
> > : does he act as if he is a big tough shit? Then he is a
brahmin.
> >
gdr...@hotmail.com
sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu (Raghu Seshadri) wrote:
> Madurai Veeran (Madurai...@dnai.com) wrote:
> : [1] Does he sport a moustache? If he does, most likely he is not
> : a brahmin. There, of course, are a few brahmins who do sport a
> : moustache or a goatee.
> :
> : [2] Does he turn into a sour puss after he looks at your
> : nametag? Then he is a brahmin.
> :
> : [3] Does he turn his face the other way, after looking at you or
your
> : name tag? Then he is a brahmin.
> :
> : [4] Does he put on a fake American accent when he talks to you? Then
> : he is a brahmin.
> :
> : [5] Does he try to be a smart ass in front of white Americans? Then
> : he is a brahmin.
> :
> : [6] Does he ignore your smile or in an act to acknowledge your
smile,
> : does he act as if he is a big tough shit? Then he is a brahmin.
>
> But this is just vulgar abuse, produced by
> sheer bigotry and low or lack of culture. This
> is just as trashy as saying "Shudras smell bad,
> they are born stupid, they can't debate
> rationally and can only resort to abuse".
>
I have seen more abuse towards nazis in almost every type of media
available. I am sure nazis also had the same opinion about their
critics.
> This sort of thing degrades the writer more
> than the people who are the object of his
> bilious hate.
>
Nazis also had this wishful thinking but alas they were wrong.
gdravid.
PS : I am still wondering why do people who try to
wear a mask to portray against caste system, still openly
tout their caste name in their name?
> RS
gdr...@hotmail.com
"Madurai Veeran" <Madurai...@dnai.com> wrote:
>
> Sutharshan <sutha...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> > Open your vistas and go beyond the Brahmin phobia, brahmins might
have had
> > total control, not any more in any part of India.
Do you know the caste demography of the central govt atleast
first three layers of officers including in the justice and military
establishment?
Check that and come and tell me whether brahmins have no control
in any part of India.
> > With and without Dravidian
> > movement every Indian seems to figured out that they deserve a
> > piece of the pie too and they are getting it no matter what, if
> > not there will be war like in Bihar and UP.
The warring factions really dont know what is the size of the pie and
the war is actually for the crust dust.
> > Atleast in Tamilnad the time has come for Tamilians to close
> > ranks to work together for the bettermant of the whole state and
> > beyond
As long as some Tamilians who sincerly work against their fellow men,
are not purged completly, that is not going to happen.
>
> I sincerely appreciate your attitude towards brahmins. I wish you
were on
> the net in the past couple of years to hear the venom and vitriol
hurled
> at the entire Tamil community (read non-brahmins here) by the brahmins
> on the net. In particular, I can recall one motherf****r by name Guru
> Balaram who used to write such derogatory things about Tamils on the
>net.
No surprises. The kind of detrogtory they used against the
dasuks/sudras even in their sacred vedas,
no way, that is in their blood.
> Once I cleanse
> this newsgroup of such spineless worms, I will stop posting anti-
brahmin
> rhetoric.
>
I think you have to start believing the karma theory and hope for
atleast 50 more births.
gdravid.
> Madurai Veeran
>
>
> news:19990704031924...@ng-fu1.aol.com...
> > Why then we have
> >
> > Reddy
> > Pillais
> > Naidus
> > Mudaliar
> > Nayakar
> > Chetty
> >
> > still in Tamil Nadu ?
>
> I think you mistook the title of my post. Sure, every one from Tamil
Nadu
> knows that there are Reddys, Pillais, Naidus etc. But are the caste
> names still used as last names in birth certificates? In all the years
> I spent in India, I never came across a brahmin or a non-brahmin from
> TN or Pondicherry, who had his caste name as part of his name. This
laudable
> tradition, is of recent origin (may be in the past 50 years or so).
> And precisely for this reason, Mr. Sutharshan's birth certificate,
school
> and college diplomas refer to him as Mr.X.Sutharshan and not as
> Mr. Sutharshan Mudaliar/Chettiar/Pillai/Nayakar/Naidu etc. Or for that
> matter Mr.Vijayaraghavan is not known as Mr.Vijayaraghavan
> Iyer/Iyenger/Acharya/
> Shastri etc.
>
> In the five and a half years I spent at Delhi, I came across only one
> individual who called herself Miss X Iyer. She explained that she got
tired
> of being asked about first name and last name that she chose to use
the
> real last name.
>
> I can not imagine that you do not know what I am talking about.
>
> >It is because the caste names denote their former and
> > some times present glory, we have go beyond mere caste names by
certain
> > individuals in our interactions with fellow human beings.
> >
> I do not disagree with your view. However, those individuals who
choose
> to break some noble traditions by reinventing caste tags to advertise
their
> 'past or present glory' use it to exploit the benefits that accrue
from
> overtly exposing their caste tags.
>
> Coming back to my experience of last week, this Mr.X.Iyer turned his
> face away as soon as he saw my name tag.
>
> > Open your vistas and go beyond the Brahmin phobia, brahmins might
have had
> > total control, not any more in any part of India. With and without
> Dravidian
> > movement every Indian seems to figured out that they deserve a
piece of
> the pie
> > too and they are getting it no matter what, if not there will be
war like
> in
> > Bihar and UP. Atleast in Tamilnad the time has come for Tamilians
to close
> > ranks to work together for the bettermant of the whole state and
beyond.
>
> I sincerely appreciate your attitude towards brahmins. I wish you
were on
> the net in the past couple of years to hear the venom and vitriol
hurled
> at the entire Tamil community (read non-brahmins here) by the brahmins
> on the net. In particular, I can recall one motherf****r by name Guru
> Balaram who used to write such derogatory things about Tamils on the
net.
> Once I cleanse
> this newsgroup of such spineless worms, I will stop posting anti-
brahmin
> rhetoric.
>
> Madurai Veeran
>
>
Sutharshan
>
what is the meaning of Pallava ?
M.Ethiraj
<mark...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Last week I was at a workshop in the Silicon valley and I was pleasantly
>surprised to see a good number of Indians. I would say about 20% of the
>attendees were Indians. Much to P.Siddarth's dismay, about 50% of those
>Indians happen be from Tamil Nadu of non-brahmin descent. No, MF.
>P.Siddarth the rest 50% were not brahmins from Tamil Nadu.
>
>For one thing, reservations do seem to have produced the intended
>benefits. Now comes the interesting thing. I noticed only two Tamil
>brahmins in the entire crowd. If you are wondering how did I figure
>that out, well it is not by their 'holy' thread or by the marks on the
>forehead. These two guys wore nametags saying Mr.X-iyer and Mr.Y-
>iyengar.
>
>For those of you, who may not know the naming conventions of Tamil Nadu
>(and Pondicherry), for the past 50 years or so, we stopped using last
>names, which invariably denote the caste. And exactly for that reason,
>you see names like Raghu Parthasarathi or Parthasarathy Siddarth. If
>you have lived in North India, you certainly would have encountered
>questions from morons in the North about your last name. Any amount of
>explaining would not make any sense to those morons.
>
>Now lets come to the question. Why is that only bramins tend to tout
>their caste names and still claim on this newsgroup they are very much
>anti-caste and such crap? Have you ever seen any one with a nametag as
>mudaliar, chettiar, pillai, or any such thing?
>
>
>Madurai Veeran
>
>
Why does Madurai Chicken uses the last name 'Veeran'. Is it because
this chicken is not good enough for KFC, Mcdonald ?
Why did the biggest asshole 'periyar' used the name E.V.Ramaswamy
Naicker ? Why did Tamil Nadu's favourite son used Kamaraj Nadar ?
Why does some of the best and honest Tamil Nadu muslims who returned
from Haj pilgrimage use 'Al Haj' ? Why do christian people use names
such as Mary and Jesus ? Why do Sikhs end their names with Singh ?
Why does Dalit Ezhumalai uses 'Dalit' in his name ?
It is only assholes like you and other imbecille followers of racist
asshole 'periyar' who don't seem to understand anything . It is for
the individual to choose whatever name he wants to be addressed by.
Govt. and assholes like you have no say about this. If an individual
wants to include his caste name, because he feels it brings pride to
his community (like Kamarj Nadar) it is his business. I understand
that doesnt apply to assholes like you, since which community wants to
be associated with assholes like you ? So get over it Madurai Chicken,
it is like the Starkist Tuna, you are name is not 'good' enough to
be associated with Iyer, Aiyengar, Nadar, Dalit, Singh, Mudaliar.
Ofcourse you are welcome to try Madurain Veeran Asshole.
Same old black ass, but with a different mentality
M.Ethiraj
pallavan
gdr...@hotmail.com
M.et...@mailnadu.com (M.Ethiraj) wrote:
> Why does Madurai Chicken uses the last name 'Veeran'.
Just to put the fear in the people like Setpat Parrupu.
>Is it because
> this chicken is not good enough for KFC, Mcdonald ?
No Just to remind that boiling the parrupu cant happen
that easily like the past.
> Why did the biggest asshole 'periyar' used the name E.V.Ramaswamy
> Naicker ? Why did Tamil Nadu's favourite son used Kamaraj Nadar ?
Just to torment the biggest racist assholes Srirangam ahobilamad jeer
and the Kangi "jagatguru" chandrasehara saraswathi
> It is only assholes like you and other imbecille followers of racist
> asshole 'periyar' who don't seem to understand anything.
It is only racists like you and other brain dead followers of
racist assholes "ahobilamad jeer", "kangi jagat guru" , "srigeri
Jagatguru " are causing these kind of retorts.
> It is for
> the individual to choose whatever name he wants to be addressed by.
> Govt. and assholes like you have no say about this.
If any racist garbages tout names like "ur. A. bastard", then the
govt and anybody can have a say in it.
If an individual
> wants to include his caste name, because he feels it brings pride to
> his community (like Kamarj Nadar) it is his business.
Then those individuals are welcome to stay inside their own community
and not venturing out.
> So get over it Madurai Chicken,
> it is like the Starkist Tuna, you are name is not 'good' enough to
> be associated with Iyer, Aiyengar, Nadar, Dalit, Singh, Mudaliar.
> Ofcourse you are welcome to try Madurain Veeran Asshole.
>
So get over it Setpat Parruppu. As long as you associate yours with
tags like ayyangar, you would still be an asshole.
> Same old black ass, but with a different mentality.
why is it appearing so *reddish* like a beaten tomato now?
who gave a *hot rod* treatment?
gdravid
>
> M.Ethiraj
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
Mr.Madurai veeran, you have definitely has got very sensitive caste antennas
which picks up any passing caste radiations and measures it and comes up with
some caste densities. Your castometer seems to be more reliable than any
available Geiger counter or even Carbon monoxide meters for measuring air
polutions. It looks like as soon as you meet a group of people, your caste
antennas are spread out to catch any passing brahmotrons- viz the Brahmin
particles which are one of the fundemental particles in your universe, more
fundemental than photons or neutrinos.
Hope you can patent your brahmometer which accurately measures brahmin content
in the surroundings
>
> > > No, MF.
> > > P.Siddarth the rest 50% were not brahmins from Tamil Nadu.
> > >
> > > For one thing, reservations do seem to have produced the intended
> > > benefits.
> >
> > Like producing NRIs??
> >
>
> No, my dear smarty pants. By the way, do you also judge the benefit of IITs
> to Indians, in terms of the number of NRIs?
The point is not IITs. The point is not what I judge. You judged the alleged
prevalence of TN non-brahmin professionals in the USA to the beneficial effect
of the reservation system. Hence the onus of judgement is on you, not me
Madurai Veeran
and...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Mr Veeran:
>
> You did point out some cultural/external differences between the
> brahmins and non-brahmins of tamilnadu. I was curious to know if there
>
> sr
>
Any racial differences may have to be traced back to several
millenia in the distant past. There have been several theories
about racial composition of brahmins and non-brahmins. They all
contradict each other. They all hinge on the assumption that
mankind originated in one place in Africa and none of the evolutionary
biologists gave any convincing reason as to why it should be so.
As far as I am concerned, none of the theories including
the mitochondrial DNA/Y-chromosome analyis will stand the
scrutiny in the final anlaysis.
Both brahmins and non-brahmins of the South are children of
the same 'race'.
Madurai Veeran
> In article <7lomri$6av$1...@pollux.dnai.com>,
> "Madurai Veeran" <Madurai...@dnai.com> wrote:
> >
> > Raghu Seshadri <sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote in message
> > news:7loejo$b...@darkstar.ucsc.edu...
> > > Madurai Veeran (Madurai...@dnai.com) wrote:
> > > : [1] Does he sport a moustache? If he does, most likely he is not
> > > : a brahmin. There, of course, are a few brahmins who do
sport a
> > > : moustache or a goatee.
> > > :
> > > : [2] Does he turn into a sour puss after he looks at your
> > > : nametag? Then he is a brahmin.
> > > :
> > > : [3] Does he turn his face the other way, after looking at you or
> your
> > > : name tag? Then he is a brahmin.
> > > :
> > > : [4] Does he put on a fake American accent when he talks to you?
> Then
> > > : he is a brahmin.
> > > :
> > > : [5] Does he try to be a smart ass in front of white Americans?
> Then
> > > : he is a brahmin.
> > > :
> > > : [6] Does he ignore your smile or in an act to acknowledge your
> smile,
> > > : does he act as if he is a big tough shit? Then he is a
> brahmin.
> > >
> > > But this is just vulgar abuse, produced by
> > > sheer bigotry and low or lack of culture. This
> > > is just as trashy as saying "Shudras smell bad,
> > > they are born stupid, they can't debate
> > > rationally and can only resort to abuse".
> > >
> > > This sort of thing degrades the writer more
> > > than the people who are the object of his
> > > bilious hate.
> > >
> > > RS
> >
> > Mr.Seshadri, as usual, chose not to answer my original question.
> >
> > What is so vulgar about what I have written. I see this everyday.
> >
> > AND THE ONLY GUYS (OF TAMIL DESCENT) WHO RUN WEBSITES TO ADVERTISE
> > THEIR CASTE ARE BRAHMINS. And these guys are casteists to the core,
> > who talk big on the net.
> >
> > Madurai Veeran
> >
> > Madurai Veeran
> >
> >
>
Madurai Veeran
and...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Mr Veeran:
>
> You did point out some cultural/external differences between the
> brahmins and non-brahmins of tamilnadu.
The traits I pointed out are not by any means exclusive to brahmins
of the Tamil country. Most Indians of the upper caste (who did not
deserve the higher higher education they got at the expense of
deserving lower castes} will exhibit this trait.
Madurai Veeran
> I was curious to know if there
> is any real racial difference between the two groups.
>
> sr
>
> In article <7lomri$6av$1...@pollux.dnai.com>,
> "Madurai Veeran" <Madurai...@dnai.com> wrote:
> >
> > Raghu Seshadri <sesh...@cse.ucsc.edu> wrote in message
> > news:7loejo$b...@darkstar.ucsc.edu...
> > > Madurai Veeran (Madurai...@dnai.com) wrote:
> > > : [1] Does he sport a moustache? If he does, most likely he is not
> > > : a brahmin. There, of course, are a few brahmins who do
sport a
> > > : moustache or a goatee.
> > > :
> > > : [2] Does he turn into a sour puss after he looks at your
> > > : nametag? Then he is a brahmin.
> > > :
> > > : [3] Does he turn his face the other way, after looking at you or
> your
> > > : name tag? Then he is a brahmin.
> > > :
> > > : [4] Does he put on a fake American accent when he talks to you?
> Then
> > > : he is a brahmin.
> > > :
> > > : [5] Does he try to be a smart ass in front of white Americans?
> Then
> > > : he is a brahmin.
> > > :
> > > : [6] Does he ignore your smile or in an act to acknowledge your
> smile,
> > > : does he act as if he is a big tough shit? Then he is a
> brahmin.
> > >
Dakshin Gandikota
Indeed, whenever there
is an interesting name, it is also true that brahmins like to use it in
the middle or nick names. Believe
it or not it is much harder for a brahmin to insist on being called by a
certain "first or middle" name
before the bigots start seeing hideous meanings by distortion. Beyond
that I can't be any personal
about my brahmin names which are synonymous to certain appellations
conferred because of
merit. But I can very easily say that 'appA rAo' and 'pApArAyadu' are
two very popular names
among Telugu non-brahmins. I can't say why precisely. May be the movies
have something to do
with it. When Reddys and Raos (both non-brahmins yet upper castes in AP)
can tout their
names no matter what their 'generation', there is no reason to single
out brahmins for being
name crazy.
V.C.Vijayaraghavan wrote:
> Mr.Madurai veeran, you have definitely has got very sensitive caste
> antennas
> which picks up any passing caste radiations and measures it and comes
> up with
> some caste densities. Your castometer seems to be more reliable than
> any
> available Geiger counter or even Carbon monoxide meters for measuring
> air
> polutions. It looks like as soon as you meet a group of people, your
> caste
> antennas are spread out to catch any passing brahmotrons- viz the
> Brahmin
> particles which are one of the fundemental particles in your universe,
> more
> fundemental than photons or neutrinos.
>
> Hope you can patent your brahmometer which accurately measures brahmin
> content
> in the surroundings
>
> >
> > > > No, MF.
> > > > P.Siddarth the rest 50% were not brahmins from Tamil Nadu.
> > > >
> > > > For one thing, reservations do seem to have produced the
> intended
> > > > benefits.
> > >
> > > Like producing NRIs??
> > >
> >
> > No, my dear smarty pants. By the way, do you also judge the benefit
> of IITs
> > to Indians, in terms of the number of NRIs?
>
M.Ethiraj
>In article <37803ca0...@news.uswest.net>,
> M.et...@mailnadu.com (M.Ethiraj) wrote:
>
>> Why does Madurai Chicken uses the last name 'Veeran'.
>
>Just to put the fear in the people like Setpat Parrupu.
>
'fear' and 'paranoia' are Chicken's strength. You are confused.
>
>
>>Is it because
>> this chicken is not good enough for KFC, Mcdonald ?
>
>No Just to remind that boiling the parrupu cant happen
>that easily like the past.
>
It is happening everywhere, when was the las time you
tried real food ?
>
>> Why did the biggest asshole 'periyar' used the name E.V.Ramaswamy
>> Naicker ? Why did Tamil Nadu's favourite son used Kamaraj Nadar ?
>
>
>Just to torment the biggest racist assholes Srirangam ahobilamad jeer
>and the Kangi "jagatguru" chandrasehara saraswathi
>
Both these institutions and the leaders are still thriving, but the
biggest racist asshole 'periyar' is below 2 feet of dirt, and his
DK party can't even get anyone to listen to them. There are
still Sanskrit colleges, the jeer and kanchi mutt have WEB presence.
>
>
>> It is only assholes like you and other imbecille followers of racist
>> asshole 'periyar' who don't seem to understand anything.
>
>It is only racists like you and other brain dead followers of
>racist assholes "ahobilamad jeer", "kangi jagat guru" , "srigeri
>Jagatguru " are causing these kind of retorts.
>
Where have you been ? Chasing the other chickens or
been to Asshole's perfume contest ?
>>>
>> It is for
>> the individual to choose whatever name he wants to be addressed by.
>> Govt. and assholes like you have no say about this.
>
>If any racist garbages tout names like "ur. A. bastard", then the
>govt and anybody can have a say in it.
>
I rest my case. Assholes like you can't think past the ass.
>
> If an individual
>> wants to include his caste name, because he feels it brings pride to
>> his community (like Kamarj Nadar) it is his business.
>
>Then those individuals are welcome to stay inside their own community
>and not venturing out.
>
You are loosing it. Even in this day, Nadars of Tamil Nadu wants
control of TamilNadu Mercantile Bank, because they associate
pride of being Nadars and consider the Bank as their community's
acheivement. This Bank of theirs have benefitted several Tamils
outside their community. Even assholes like you can smell the
acheivements of their community.
>
>
>> So get over it Madurai Chicken,
>> it is like the Starkist Tuna, you are name is not 'good' enough to
>> be associated with Iyer, Aiyengar, Nadar, Dalit, Singh, Mudaliar.
>> Ofcourse you are welcome to try Madurain Veeran Asshole.
>>
>
>So get over it Setpat Parruppu. As long as you associate yours with
>tags like ayyangar, you would still be an asshole.
>
'periyar' is a tag for an asshole. Ayyengar is a symbol of pride for
those who use it in their name.
>
>
>> Same old black ass, but with a different mentality.
>
>why is it appearing so *reddish* like a beaten tomato now?
>who gave a *hot rod* treatment?
>
You don't have to dream about the color of my ass. If you
want to kiss my ass just ask, I might oblige if you smell alright.
>gdravid
Gee, another dravid Asshole community member to keep company
with Madurai chicken.
>
>
>>
>> M.Ethiraj
M.Ethiraj
Sutharshan
in what langue and what is the etymology ?
P.Siddharth
the geniuses on the net. Some have called me a Tamil Brahmin and also
named me Parthasarathy. Hm interesting.Mr Madurai Veeran- I do not care
if there are brahmins or non brahmins in silicon valley. My beef is
against the idiots like you with no education get grace marks to pass
examinations because of your caste and still want to belong to the
fraternity of civilized people.Intelligence is not the prerogative of
brahmins but those who have to get the help of caste to get through high
schools are IDIOTS.Your premise that most of the people in silicon
valley are idiots is also wrong. They may be of any caste but they are
not idiots. It is only the morons who keep harping on caste otherwise
they will still be driving Auto-Rickshaws in Madras.I have however heard
that most people who immigrate to the west are refugees from Tamil Nadu
and the U.S. consulate gives them preferences to get a visa.
M. Ranjit Mathews
> In article <7lp2ug$7sj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> and...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Mr Veeran:
> >
> > You did point out some cultural/external differences between the
> > brahmins and non-brahmins of tamilnadu. I was curious to know if there
> > is any real racial difference between the two groups.
> >
> > sr
>
> Any racial differences may have to be traced back to several
> millenia in the distant past. There have been several theories
> about racial composition of brahmins and non-brahmins. They all
> contradict each other. They all hinge on the assumption that
> mankind originated in one place in Africa and none of the evolutionary
> biologists gave any convincing reason as to why it should be so.
>
> As far as I am concerned, none of the theories including
> the mitochondrial DNA/Y-chromosome analyis will stand the
> scrutiny in the final anlaysis.
>
> Both brahmins and non-brahmins of the South are children of
> the same 'race'.
Wouldn't it be possible to guess Hema Malini's caste without studying her
genes ?
Madurai Veeran
antennas
> which picks up any passing caste radiations and measures it and comes up
with
> some caste densities. Your castometer seems to be more reliable than any
> available Geiger counter or even Carbon monoxide meters for measuring air
> polutions.
Do you mean to say I should rather measure the levels of toxic gases and
harmful radiations to identify the presence of a brahmin? You are one
honest brahmin.
>It looks like as soon as you meet a group of people, your caste
> antennas are spread out to catch any passing brahmotrons- viz the Brahmin
> particles which are one of the fundemental particles in your universe,
more
> fundemental than photons or neutrinos.
>
> Hope you can patent your brahmometer which accurately measures brahmin
content
> in the surroundings
>
> >
> > > > No, MF.
> > > > P.Siddarth the rest 50% were not brahmins from Tamil Nadu.
> > > >
> > > > For one thing, reservations do seem to have produced the intended
> > > > benefits.
> > >
> > > Like producing NRIs??
> > >
> >
> > No, my dear smarty pants. By the way, do you also judge the benefit of
IITs
> > to Indians, in terms of the number of NRIs?
>
> The point is not IITs. The point is not what I judge. You judged the
alleged
> prevalence of TN non-brahmin professionals in the USA to the beneficial
effect
> of the reservation system. Hence the onus of judgement is on you, not me
>
>
What makes you think all those non-brahmin professionals I mentioned were
NRIs?
Madurai Veeran
Madurai Veeran
Dakshin Gandikota <dakgan...@telebot.com> wrote in message
news:3780EB24...@telebot.com...
> Excellent response, VCV! The so called brahmin names are no big secret.
> Indeed, whenever there
> is an interesting name, it is also true that brahmins like to use it in
> the middle or nick names. Believe
> it or not it is much harder for a brahmin to insist on being called by a
> certain "first or middle" name
> before the bigots start seeing hideous meanings by distortion.
Here goes the brahmin wisdom. This idiot Gandukota can not even read
and digest my original post. This is how the brahmins of India have been
hoodwinking the masses of India for centuries.
I bet this idiot Gandukota has no clue about the naming conventions
of Tamil Nadu. Neither could he know the reason as to why Vijayaraghavan
does not call himself Vijayaraghavan Iyer/Iyengar.
May be, I have to explain to this dung-head, one more time
so that it sinks in his head.
The custom of using caste names as the last name was abandoned in TN
for about 50 years or so. This custom has been carried over by both
brahmins and non-brahmins from the Tamil country wherever they settled.
We distinguish two Vijayaraghavans by prefixing the name with the initial
letter of ones father's name. This convention/tradition to the best
of my knowlege is confined only to the Tamil country. So Mr. Gandukota
don't get too excited.
My question was to those brahmins of TN who have reinvented the
caste appellations. Is this too hard to understand for your
stunted brahmin brain?
And by the way, no Tamil brahmin worth his salt has given this newsgroup
an adequate explantion for my question. As always, they slime out by
asking irrelevant questions and side-tracking the issue.
And by the way, THE ONLY GUYS (OF TAMIL DESCENT) WHO RUN WEBSITES TO
ADVERTISE
THEIR CASTE ARE BRAHMINS. And these guys are casteists to the core,
who talk big on the net.
Madurai Veeran
> Beyond
> that I can't be any personal
> about my brahmin names which are synonymous to certain appellations
> conferred because of
> merit. But I can very easily say that 'appA rAo' and 'pApArAyadu' are
> two very popular names
> among Telugu non-brahmins. I can't say why precisely. May be the movies
> have something to do
> with it. When Reddys and Raos (both non-brahmins yet upper castes in AP)
> can tout their
> names no matter what their 'generation', there is no reason to single
> out brahmins for being
> name crazy.
>
> V.C.Vijayaraghavan wrote:
>
> > Madurai Veeran wrote:
> >
> > Mr.Madurai veeran, you have definitely has got very sensitive caste
> > antennas
> > which picks up any passing caste radiations and measures it and comes
> > up with
> > some caste densities. Your castometer seems to be more reliable than
> > any
> > available Geiger counter or even Carbon monoxide meters for measuring
> > air
> > polutions. It looks like as soon as you meet a group of people, your
> > caste
> > antennas are spread out to catch any passing brahmotrons- viz the
> > Brahmin
> > particles which are one of the fundemental particles in your universe,
> > more
> > fundemental than photons or neutrinos.
> >
> > Hope you can patent your brahmometer which accurately measures brahmin
> > content
> > in the surroundings
> >
> > >
> > > > > No, MF.
> > > > > P.Siddarth the rest 50% were not brahmins from Tamil Nadu.
> > > > >
> > > > > For one thing, reservations do seem to have produced the
> > intended
> > > > > benefits.
> > > >
> > > > Like producing NRIs??
> > > >
> > >
> > > No, my dear smarty pants. By the way, do you also judge the benefit
> > of IITs
> > > to Indians, in terms of the number of NRIs?
> >
pallavan
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> The custom of using caste names as the last name was abandoned in TN
> for about 50 years or so. This custom has been carried over by both
> brahmins and non-brahmins from the Tamil country wherever they settled.
In that case what is the point of this thread apart from flaming?
> We distinguish two Vijayaraghavans by prefixing the name with the initial
> letter of ones father's name. This convention/tradition to the best
> of my knowlege is confined only to the Tamil country. So Mr. Gandukota
> don't get too excited.
I don't carry my father's name in my middle name. My initials refer to
village names where my family originated from That has been the convention
for a long time. Even my great great grandfather had the same initials V.C.
Sutharshan
>
Ha!!
What is the etymology ? where is the root of the word ?
Raghu Seshadri
: > But this is just vulgar abuse, produced by
: > sheer bigotry and low or lack of culture. This
: > is just as trashy as saying "Shudras smell bad,
: > they are born stupid, they can't debate
: > rationally and can only resort to abuse".
: >
: > This sort of thing degrades the writer more
: > than the people who are the object of his
: > bilious hate.
:
: Mr.Seshadri, as usual, chose not to answer my original question.
As if you chose to answer mine. Where are the
answers to my Cooum questions ?
: What is so vulgar about what I have written. I see this everyday.
Just as a jaundiced person sees the world
as yellow every day. Just as a Nazi sees
only filth in the Jews.
RS
Raghu Seshadri
: Both brahmins and non-brahmins of the South are children of
: the same 'race'.
Yet when I said the same thing, Mr Veeran
started flinging abuses ! He seems hopelessly
confused, except when it comes to using
vulgar obscenities, which he handles like
a Master.
RS
Dakshin Gandikota
everyone. Take it easy Mad. We all have our great dilemmas. Have you
ever considered enrolling in a course with your own merit to pass time
let alone with high grades?
ps: I know about Tamil naming convention which is not orthogonal to the
universal convention. If Tamil brahmins can subsume the two, and heck
even have mother's maiden name, then more power to them! The only way
you are going to show that you are a name-worthy citizen/Tamilian is by
displaying your culture. And by holy Rajanikanth alias Pedarayadu a.k.a.
super Tamil hero, there is plenty of it in the movies!
thiruna...@hotmail.com
Coimbatore, Jul-4 : Casteism is a borrowed concept that thad no place
in ancient Tamil culture, Mr. K.Anbazhagan, Education Minister, said
here on Sunday at a function organised to formally inaugurate a Periyar
Memorial smamthuvapuram at Thekkalur.
Mr.Anbazhagan said that although clans existed from early times, tamils
did not ostracize any section of people or treat them as untouchables.
Casteism was the product of alien cultures having a baneful influence
on the Dravidian way of life. As competition grew between various
groups in society, planned violence began rearing its head and caused
disharmony amoung people.
About 500 to 1000 years ago, the term "mettu theru" was used to refer
to the street where owners of cultivable land lived, and "palla theru"
the name of the street where the agricultureal workers dwelt. Even at
that time, sections of the people were not isolated from the rest or
considered untouchables.
Samathuvapurams should demonstrate to all those in the neighbourhood,
that people from various communities could dwell together in harmony.
Inter-caste couples were lauded not only for shattering caste barriers,
but also for their exemplary behaviour in transcending differences.
There is no high birth or low birth. People realised the truth of this
only when those oppressed, because of their "low birth", questioned the
established order in society.
pallavan
the ideals of castes and gods?
pallavan
Pandiaya? Please tell me the roots of those words if you have any?
Read Pali and Prakrit first!
Sutharshan
>Can you or did you find out the tamil meaning for Chera chola or
>Pandiaya?
looser ! accept defeat gracefully. You have no idea as to what Pallava means.
pallavan
cannot tell any Tamil roots for your Chera or Chola or pandiya but I
told you that Pallava means rulers in Prakrit or pali! If you can
understand or have any knowledge of Pali or Prakrit, I will write.
A small test! Can you translate Sanskrit word "KSHATRIA" in to Prakrit
or Pali?
Cuppax
> millenia in the distant past. There have been several theories
> about racial composition of brahmins and non-brahmins. They all
> contradict each other. They all hinge on the assumption that
> mankind originated in one place in Africa and none of the evolutionary
> biologists gave any convincing reason as to why it should be so.
>
> As far as I am concerned, none of the theories including
> the mitochondrial DNA/Y-chromosome analyis will stand the
> scrutiny in the final anlaysis.
>
> the same 'race'.
>
Then why spew vitriol at them?
Cuppax
Srikanth Gopalan
take a peek today. Nothing has changed!!!!!!!!!!! Be back in four more years.
See ya.
-Srikanth Gopalan
Madurai Veeran wrote:
> Sutharshan <sutha...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> news:19990704031924...@ng-fu1.aol.com...
> > Why then we have
> >
> > Reddy
> > Pillais
> > Naidus
> > Mudaliar
> > Nayakar
> > Chetty
> >
> > still in Tamil Nadu ?
>
> I think you mistook the title of my post. Sure, every one from Tamil Nadu
> knows that there are Reddys, Pillais, Naidus etc. But are the caste
> names still used as last names in birth certificates? In all the years
> I spent in India, I never came across a brahmin or a non-brahmin from
> TN or Pondicherry, who had his caste name as part of his name. This laudable
> tradition, is of recent origin (may be in the past 50 years or so).
> And precisely for this reason, Mr. Sutharshan's birth certificate, school
> and college diplomas refer to him as Mr.X.Sutharshan and not as
> Mr. Sutharshan Mudaliar/Chettiar/Pillai/Nayakar/Naidu etc. Or for that
> matter Mr.Vijayaraghavan is not known as Mr.Vijayaraghavan
> Iyer/Iyenger/Acharya/
> Shastri etc.
>
> In the five and a half years I spent at Delhi, I came across only one
> individual who called herself Miss X Iyer. She explained that she got tired
> of being asked about first name and last name that she chose to use the
> real last name.
>
> I can not imagine that you do not know what I am talking about.
>
> >It is because the caste names denote their former and
> > some times present glory, we have go beyond mere caste names by certain
> > individuals in our interactions with fellow human beings.
> >
> I do not disagree with your view. However, those individuals who choose
> to break some noble traditions by reinventing caste tags to advertise their
> 'past or present glory' use it to exploit the benefits that accrue from
> overtly exposing their caste tags.
>
> Coming back to my experience of last week, this Mr.X.Iyer turned his
> face away as soon as he saw my name tag.
>
> > Open your vistas and go beyond the Brahmin phobia, brahmins might have had
> > total control, not any more in any part of India. With and without
> Dravidian
> > movement every Indian seems to figured out that they deserve a piece of
> the pie
> > too and they are getting it no matter what, if not there will be war like
> in
> > Bihar and UP. Atleast in Tamilnad the time has come for Tamilians to close
> > ranks to work together for the bettermant of the whole state and beyond.
>
> I sincerely appreciate your attitude towards brahmins. I wish you were on
> the net in the past couple of years to hear the venom and vitriol hurled
> at the entire Tamil community (read non-brahmins here) by the brahmins
> on the net. In particular, I can recall one motherf****r by name Guru
> Balaram who used to write such derogatory things about Tamils on the net.
> Once I cleanse
> this newsgroup of such spineless worms, I will stop posting anti-brahmin
> rhetoric.
>
> Madurai Veeran
cocksucke...@my-deja.com
blow jobs to their load america and g8. India has been suppressing
minorities for last 52 years. she has killed hunderds of thousands
kashmiris, siksh, christians and muslim. Now india is reaping and
its army is getting its ass fucked by handful mujahidins.
In article <7lmr58$l1v$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Madurai Veeran <mark...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Last week I was at a workshop in the Silicon valley and I was
pleasantly
> surprised to see a good number of Indians. I would say about 20% of
the
> attendees were Indians. Much to P.Siddarth's dismay, about 50% of
those
> Indians happen be from Tamil Nadu of non-brahmin descent. No, MF.
> P.Siddarth the rest 50% were not brahmins from Tamil Nadu.
>
> For one thing, reservations do seem to have produced the intended
> benefits. Now comes the interesting thing. I noticed only two Tamil
> brahmins in the entire crowd. If you are wondering how did I figure
> that out, well it is not by their 'holy' thread or by the marks on the
> forehead. These two guys wore nametags saying Mr.X-iyer and Mr.Y-
> iyengar.
>
> For those of you, who may not know the naming conventions of Tamil
Nadu
> (and Pondicherry), for the past 50 years or so, we stopped using last
> names, which invariably denote the caste. And exactly for that reason,
> you see names like Raghu Parthasarathi or Parthasarathy Siddarth. If
> you have lived in North India, you certainly would have encountered
> questions from morons in the North about your last name. Any amount of
> explaining would not make any sense to those morons.
>
> Now lets come to the question. Why is that only bramins tend to tout
> their caste names and still claim on this newsgroup they are very much
> anti-caste and such crap? Have you ever seen any one with a nametag as
> mudaliar, chettiar, pillai, or any such thing?
>
> Madurai Veeran
cocksucke...@my-deja.com
basic human rights to minorities. They deserve ass whipping from
all separist movement from Kashmir, Punjab, Asaam and Nagaland.
Madurai Veeran
My dear friend Ethiraj the catholic brahmin is back. As usual
he exposes his underdeveloped brahmanoid cranial contents.
> Is it because
> this chicken is not good enough for KFC, Mcdonald ?
> Why did the biggest asshole 'periyar' used the name E.V.Ramaswamy
> Naicker ?
How many neuron do you have Ethiraj? Are you a squid or what?
Go and read my original posting and I very much doubt that your
brahmanoid can understand it.
>Why did Tamil Nadu's favourite son used Kamaraj Nadar ?
> Why does some of the best and honest Tamil Nadu muslims who returned
> from Haj pilgrimage use 'Al Haj' ? Why do christian people use names
> such as Mary and Jesus ? Why do Sikhs end their names with Singh ?
> Why does Dalit Ezhumalai uses 'Dalit' in his name ?
> It is only assholes like you and other imbecille followers of racist
> asshole 'periyar' who don't seem to understand anything . It is for
> the individual to choose whatever name he wants to be addressed by.
> Govt. and assholes like you have no say about this. If an individual
> wants to include his caste name, because he feels it brings pride to
> his community (like Kamarj Nadar) it is his business. I understand
> that doesnt apply to assholes like you, since which community wants to
> be associated with assholes like you ? So get over it Madurai Chicken,
> it is like the Starkist Tuna, you are name is not 'good' enough to
> be associated with Iyer, Aiyengar, Nadar, Dalit, Singh, Mudaliar.
> Ofcourse you are welcome to try Madurain Veeran Asshole.
>
> Same old black ass, but with a different mentality
>
> M.Ethiraj
M.Ethiraj
<mark...@my-deja.com> wrote:
My dear chicken, what difference does it make for a Asshole
like you whether I am a follower of Jesus or Brahma ?
You confirm the size and content of a not just any chicken
but Madurai chicken which is not even good enough for
fastfood vendors. Try for dog food, you hear.
>
>> Is it because
>> this chicken is not good enough for KFC, Mcdonald ?
>> Why did the biggest asshole 'periyar' used the name E.V.Ramaswamy
>> Naicker ?
>
>How many neuron do you have Ethiraj? Are you a squid or what?
>Go and read my original posting and I very much doubt that your
>brahmanoid can understand it.
>
Only chickens need to count to their neurons, since usuall they
have one before they are fried.
"These two guys wore nametags saying Mr.X-iyer and Mr.Y-
iyengar." said chicken. I ask you again, don't duck
the issue chicken, just why did the biggest asshole 'periyar'
used the name E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker and approved of
it to be placed in Banners advertising his speech, be mentioned
like it in many Asshole club meeting minutes ? Is it chicken vision
that sees Naicker differently than Iyengar ? Is it chicken sense
that distinguishes dalit in 'Dalit Ezhumalai' different than Iyer in
'Madurai Mani Iyer' ? Just go wait in line for the next dog food
truck.
K G Ramesh
There is an interesting historical background to it on why Brahmins dont use
their caste names anymore. Periyar and Ramaswamy Naicker were against the
propagation of caste through names or name-boards of shops. When DMK came to
power in 50s, Brahmin shops were targetted and the name boards bearing caste
names were destroyed. Even individuals wearing "poonals" were targetted for
abuse. All these had a psychological effect on the Brahmin community who by
then had become very prominent as intellectuals, men of letters,
land-owners, lawyers, doctors and freedom-fighters.
The generation after this occurence chose not to have a caste name ; some
even refuse to wear poonal or putting caste marks on forehead.
The years following 50s saw a widespread discrimination of Brahmins in all
areas - education, employment, etc. The total abandonment of meritocracy to
a system based on caste quotas led to many Brahmins to leave TN and venture
elsewhere for better opportunities. Many left for northern India and some
even migrated overseas. In TN, the efect of Brahmin migration is apparent ;
today's agraharams are populated by muslims and entire districts which were
once home to Iyers or Iyengars are now peopled by other castes. The famous
Iyengar street in Kumbakonam is no longer Iyengar in outlook ; areas like
Terazhundur, Valangiman, Kodavasal, Alandhur, Papanasam, Darasuram,
Nageshwaram, Sriperumbudur, Sriviliputtur, Alwar Thirunagari, etc., which
were once peopled exclusively by Brahmins, are today mixed or totally
abandoned to other castes and muslims.
If Brahmins have migrated, where are they now ? They are in US, Canada,
Australia, New Zealand, England and any country you name in the western
hemisphere. A conservative estimate is that there are about 150,000 Brahmins
in US alone and probably an equal number in neighbouring Canada. The exodus
of Brahmin, though little documented, is substantial in terms of absolute
numbers. One can say that they are only second to the Ceylonese Tamils. The
latter's migration is due to persecution in Sri Lanka, while the former's is
due to economic deprivation due to loss of meritocracy in TN.
Regards
Madurai Veeran
<gra...@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:7mgqko$a39$1...@violet.singnet.com.sg...
>
> There is an interesting historical background to it on why Brahmins
dont
use
> their caste names anymore. Periyar and Ramaswamy Naicker were against
the
> propagation of caste through names or name-boards of shops.
>When DMK came to
> power in 50s, Brahmin shops were targetted and the name boards bearing
caste
> names were destroyed. Even individuals wearing "poonals" were
targetted
for
> abuse. All these had a psychological effect on the Brahmin community
who
by
> then had become very prominent as intellectuals, men of letters,
> land-owners, lawyers, doctors and freedom-fighters.
> The generation after this occurence chose not to have a caste name ;
some
> even refuse to wear poonal or putting caste marks on forehead.
>
The non-brahmins chose to do away with the caste names as well. [ I
very
much
doubt that DK movement was responsible. ]
> The years following 50s saw a widespread discrimination of Brahmins
in all
> areas - education, employment, etc.
You are not honest here. True, brahmins were classifed as 'forward
castes'
who had a priviledged past. True, they were excluded from the
reservation
system. Though DMK might have discriminated against brahmins, but that
discrimination could in no way hurt the brahmins, who by then had
occupied
an overwhelming proportion of academic, administrative, and other
white collar positions. There was/is widespread nepotism in the brahmin
dominated academia and administration.
>The total abandonment of meritocracy to
> a system based on caste quotas led to many Brahmins to leave TN and
venture
> elsewhere for better opportunities.
Merit as defined by brahmins was/is not acceptable to the majority. It
is
absolutely unscientific to think that only people belonging to a
particular
community can measure up to the definition of merit.
Brahmins having exclusively enjoyed the priviledges to higher education
in the past, could easily prove their worth to the British and easily
avail
of
the access to Western eduction and hence became the 'enlightened' .
Brahmins left TN on the pretext of DK/DMK discrimination. They moved on
to wherever they found new opportunities for their betterment. I tend
to
think that brahmins have made such migrations all through their history.
>Many left for northern India and some
> even migrated overseas. In TN, the efect of Brahmin migration is
apparent
;
If a TN brahmin (for that matter a non-brahmin), is presented with the
choice of staying in India, migrating to North India or to a Western
country
like US, what do you think he would choose?
So, please don't give this bogus argument that brahmins of TN moved to
US to escape the discrimation of DK/DMK. They moved to Western
countries
simply because life was better and they had near exclusive access. Those
who could not make it to the West, moved to Northern India simply
because they were better prepared. [ Brhamins were Hindi lovers as
well]
> today's agraharams are populated by muslims and entire districts which
were
> once home to Iyers or Iyengars are now peopled by other castes.
What is wrong about muslims living in agraharms?
> The famous
> Iyengar street in Kumbakonam is no longer Iyengar in outlook ; areas
like
> Terazhundur, Valangiman, Kodavasal, Alandhur, Papanasam, Darasuram,
> Nageshwaram, Sriperumbudur, Sriviliputtur, Alwar Thirunagari, etc.,
which
> were once peopled exclusively by Brahmins, are today mixed or totally
> abandoned to other castes and muslims.
>
> If Brahmins have migrated, where are they now ? They are in US,
Canada,
> Australia, New Zealand, England and any country you name in the
western
> hemisphere
>A conservative estimate is that there are about 150,000 Brahmins
> in US alone and probably an equal number in neighbouring Canada. The
exodus
> of Brahmin, though little documented, is substantial in terms of
absolute
> numbers. One can say that they are only second to the Ceylonese
Tamils.
The
> latter's migration is due to persecution in Sri Lanka, while the
former's
is
> due to economic deprivation due to loss of meritocracy in TN.
Economic deprivation? How many brahmins are ricksaw pullers in TN?
How many brahmins are grave diggers? How many brahmins are construction
workers?
Meritocracy, my foot.
Madurai Veeran
Shivadaasa Sharma
Madurai Veeran <mark...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> You are not honest here. True, brahmins were classifed as 'forward
> castes'
> who had a priviledged past. True, they were excluded from the
> reservation
> system. Though DMK might have discriminated against brahmins, but
that
> discrimination could in no way hurt the brahmins, who by then had
> occupied
> an overwhelming proportion of academic, administrative, and other
> white collar positions. There was/is widespread nepotism in
> the brahmin
> dominated academia and administration.
>
There is nepotism everywhere in India. Every community in India tries
to protect its own interests. I don't know which community you belong
to but you certainly appear to be passionately in love with your own
community and interested in protecting its interests. If you think your
community is wide open, you are sadly mistaken.
But obviously you find a great deal of satisfaction in bashing Brahmins
on the net. Which is fine. Each one to his own. If that is your idea of
Paramaanandam, keep doing what you are doing. More power to you.
By the way, I love your name. It reminds me of Veera Paandya Katta
Bomman and all other neat movies MGR used to star in. I have seen
several of them in tent cinemas when I was very little. You must be
imagining that you are a great protector of the downtrodden by going
by the name of Madurai Veeran and bashing the bad Brahmins who
deserve to be bashed. Some people need to live imaginary
lives to survive the reality. Have fun doing what you are doing.
--
Shivadaasa Sharma
"Aanando Brahmaethi Vyajaanaath (Thaittareeya Upanishad)
Dakshin Gandikota
> Merit as defined by brahmins was/is not acceptable to the majority.
> It
> is
> absolutely unscientific to think that only people belonging to a
> particular
> community can measure up to the definition of merit.
>
> Brahmins having exclusively enjoyed the priviledges to higher
> education
> in the past, could easily prove their worth to the British and easily
> avail
> of
> the access to Western eduction and hence became the 'enlightened' .
It had to be mutual. Colonists were indeed interested in the
brahminical knowledge.
> Brahmins left TN on the pretext of DK/DMK discrimination. They moved
> on
> to wherever they found new opportunities for their betterment. I tend
>
> to
> think that brahmins have made such migrations all through their
> history.
Yup, brahmin is also a learned one.
> >Many left for northern India and some
> > even migrated overseas. In TN, the efect of Brahmin migration is
> apparent
> ;
>
> If a TN brahmin (for that matter a non-brahmin), is presented with the
>
> choice of staying in India, migrating to North India or to a Western
> country
> like US, what do you think he would choose?
>
> So, please don't give this bogus argument that brahmins of TN moved to
>
> US to escape the discrimation of DK/DMK. They moved to Western
> countries
> simply because life was better and they had near exclusive access.
> Those
> who could not make it to the West, moved to Northern India simply
> because they were better prepared. [ Brhamins were Hindi lovers as
> well]
Migration and learning/business are inter-twined. The mileage varies by
the "holdings" of the respective castes. A businessman/king (both upper
castes) in the ancient India had "holdings" in the form of
land/slaves/gold which they reasoned were things worth fighting or dying
for. It's called being territorial or primitive.
Ever heard the saying: "I climbed Everest because it was there"? The
others castes can do better by themselves in the quotas
era/DMK-quota-regime. Grave diggers can move on to
construction. Is that being allowed?
P.Siddharth
including brahmins. There is no difference in people except in
opportunities available irrespective of caste. A poor man has less
opportunity than a rich person. Both Madurai Veeran and Dravid are
trying to justify their inadequecies, lack of knowledge,culture and
decency because of the caste they belong to. There is nothing wrong with
your caste Mr. Hero it is just you. A shit cannot be turned into ice
cream and just as you cannot become educated just because Anna
University handed you a degree because of your caste, To be educated you
have to study .BY HARPING ON CASTE SYSTEM YOU ARE JUST SHOWING YOUR LACK
OF MENTAL BALANCE.Spend more time reading and if you still do not get
it, then it it is you as an individual that has a lack of ability and
maybe you should go back to driving an auto rikshaw.50 years of
resrvations have not helped some people and that is because they are
idiots. There are equal number of idiots in every caste but the forward
class idiots do not get engineering degrees. That is the difference Mr.
Hero.If you do work according to your abilities as you have mentioned
cleaning toilet etc you will not be as vile and concious about your
caste.
K G Ramesh
P.Siddharth wrote in message <379347...@mail.idt.net>...
Siddharth, well said.
I will like to quote you " 50 years of reservations have not helped some
people because they are idiots".
To progress, you need to study hard and compete. You cant just hand over
degrees and jobs to unsuitable candidates juts bevause they belong to
underpriviledges societies. If then, what is the purpose of education ? I
can just fool around, take drugs, womanise, bully others
and still get a degree and a job if I am a so-called inderpriviledged caste.
I will then end up as a parasite to other more hardworking people who
despite their hardwork, couldnt make it because of their "forward caste"
status. The whole system will breed irresponsible people, decline in
education, crime, laziness and will herald a destruction of society as a
whole. If I am not capable to get a degree in the first place, I will not
get one because what is the use ? I will rather do something that I am good
at and I will not go and jeopardise the society by my inefficiency. If I am
a screw-up student, can I be a good doctor ? What will happen to the patient
if I do lobotomy on the wrong side of the brain or worse-still, if I cut the
wrong nerves ?
If I am a srew up engineering student, what will happen if I design a
building that becomes the next "Leaning tower of Pissa" ?
I can only sympathise the society..
Regards...
S. Prabaharan
: at and I will not go and jeopardise the society by my inefficiency. If I am
: a screw-up student, can I be a good doctor ? What will happen to the patient
: if I do lobotomy on the wrong side of the brain or worse-still, if I cut the
: wrong nerves ?
: If I am a srew up engineering student, what will happen if I design a
: building that becomes the next "Leaning tower of Pissa" ?
This oversimplification always happens when people get emotional.
As I understand, the quota system is only to enter a university.
Once you are in, you have to meet the standards of the university to
get out, just like the meritorious candidates. Am i wrong?
Let us say there is no reservation. Are you claiming every graduate
gets 90% marks when he graduates?. You must be kidding!
SP
Radhika Kannan
"S. Prabaharan" wrote:
> This oversimplification always happens when people get emotional.
> As I understand, the quota system is only to enter a university.
> Once you are in, you have to meet the standards of the university to
> get out, just like the meritorious candidates. Am i wrong?
Yes you are. In India, there is reservation for entering a degree program. There
are reservations for getting a govt. job after graduation. There is reservation
for promotions in govt. positions.. ad infinitum..
P.Siddharth
This oversimplification always happens when people get emotional.
> As I understand, the quota system is only to enter a university.
> Once you are in, you have to meet the standards of the university to
> get out, just like the meritorious candidates. Am i wrong?
> gets 90% marks when he graduates?. You must be kidding!
>
> SP
Mr Prabaharan: Tamil Nadu DOES NOT have a quota system. It is not a
quota system when 84% of the seats or based on caste and not marks.It
also does not matter what marks a person gets because once you apply for
reserved seat the selection is made on interview. One's performance in
the interview depends on the bribe he has given to the panel members.
There is a big fight to get on the committee and one prospective
applicant for the panel who was disappointed made a public statement
that he should also be given a chance as he is poorer than all the
members of the panel" The teaching staff also is selected on the same
basis and do not tell me please the standards are the same if 84% of the
class is from the bottom of the barrel being taught by illiterate
teachers.The students who get in are not the poor villagers but the rich
elite from cities a fact made public by Karunanidhi the chief
minister.That is the reason why they discuss tamil movies in engineering
classes.Discrimination due to caste, religeon, gender etc has no place
in education. Yes poor students who cannot afford to go to college
should be helped but not rich idiots who inspite of private tuitions
just do not have the ability and want to continue the practice of
discrimination. Dravid and the hero are products of this education and
stoutly defend caste based degrees. This has been in force for 50 years
during which Tamil Nadu has not produced even one person of the 84% who
can claim to be an educationist or a scientist outside Tamil Nadu. Most
Tamilians who are known outside have been educated elsewhere or are from
the 16%.People like Dravid and the hero come out and find themselves
completely inadequate in U.S. and start defending their degrees and also
the caste system. MGR when he was the chief minister was persuaded to
reserve some seats for NRI's because America does not reserve seats for
backward classes.Those are the NRI's studying in Anna University/Shtalin
College etc.If the Hero and Dravid etc make an effort, I am sure they
can come up to the standard rather than thinking that they deserve the
degree because of their caste.As far as the exam are concerned Grace
marks are always added- more if you can spare some rupees.
Madurai Veeran
Radhika Kannan <rka...@oakland.edu> wrote in message
news:379649A4...@oakland.edu...
>
>
> "S. Prabaharan" wrote:
>
> > This oversimplification always happens when people get emotional.
> > As I understand, the quota system is only to enter a university.
> > Once you are in, you have to meet the standards of the university to
> > get out, just like the meritorious candidates. Am i wrong?
>
> There
> are reservations for getting a govt. job after graduation. There is
reservation
> for promotions in govt. positions.. ad infinitum..
>
This woman is full of lies, the kind of lies that helped her find way to US.
The kind of reservation she is talking about is confined to the so called
'scheduled castes and tribes' and even then, they have to meet certain
requirements. Of course, she will not go into the details, because she
is part of a well orchestrated propaganda machine to spread lies, deceit
and misinformation. And again, may be she is so smart that she does not
even know about what she writes. Well that kind of merit is the sole
prerogative of brahminhood.
Madurai Veeran
Radhika Kannan <rka...@oakland.edu> wrote in message
news:379649A4...@oakland.edu...
>
>
> "S. Prabaharan" wrote:
>
> > This oversimplification always happens when people get emotional.
> > As I understand, the quota system is only to enter a university.
> > Once you are in, you have to meet the standards of the university to
> > get out, just like the meritorious candidates. Am i wrong?
>
> Yes you are. In India, there is reservation for entering a degree
program.
> There
> are reservations for getting a govt. job after graduation. There is
reservation
> for promotions in govt. positions.. ad infinitum..
>
This woman is full of lies, the kind of lies that helped her find way
to US.
The kind of reservation she is talking about is confined to the so
called
'scheduled castes and tribes' and even then, they have to meet certain
requirements. Of course, she will not go into the details, because she
is part of a well orchestrated propaganda machine to spread lies,
deceit
and misinformation. And again, may be she is so smart that she does not
even know about what she writes. Well, that kind of merit is the sole
prerogative of brahminhood.
Madurai Veeran
> >
> > Let us say there is no reservation. Are you claiming every graduate
> > gets 90% marks when he graduates?. You must be kidding!
> >
> > SP
Madurai Veeran
P.Siddharth <ps...@mail.idt.net> wrote in message
news:37964B...@mail.idt.net...
> S. Prabaharan wrote:
> This oversimplification always happens when people get emotional.
> > As I understand, the quota system is only to enter a university.
> > Once you are in, you have to meet the standards of the university to
> > get out, just like the meritorious candidates. Am i wrong?
> > Let us say there is no reservation. Are you claiming every graduate
> > gets 90% marks when he graduates?. You must be kidding!
> >
> > SP
>
Mr Prabaharan,
Mr.P.Siddharth forgot to mention that every Indian in top notch US
university is a brahmin. How can that be? It is only logical to assume
that!
Since brahmins are the only ones who come through merit. And that being
the case, they should represent the cream of the crop. Right Mr.Sid?
Mr. Siddharth in his infinite brahmanoid wisdom never cared to read
the original post of mine that started this thread. Well, people of
merit
do not have to. Right Mr.Sid?
I also wonder, why is that brahmins of TN are the only ones who seem
to be concerned about merit (or the lack of it) based admissions in TN?
After all 98.5% of the population of TN being classified as non-
brahmins,
any sane person would ask as to why the general population of TN does
not
give a damn about this merit thingy? 1.5% of the population that belong
to the merit category should not have any problem competing for the 16%
of the seats reserved for candidates like Siddharth! But miraculously,
all
those
80% or so of the non-merit people I mentioned about in my original
posting
seem to
work for companies like HP, IBM, Logitech and such. That 's kind of
strange.. Lack of 'merit' seems to be well recognized in US. 'Merit'
tags
like
Iyer and Iyenger seem to have lost their charm..
> Mr Prabaharan: Tamil Nadu DOES NOT have a quota system. It is not a
> quota system when 84% of the seats or based on caste and not marks.It
> also does not matter what marks a person gets because once you apply
for
> reserved seat the selection is made on interview. One's performance in
> the interview depends on the bribe he has given to the panel members.
> There is a big fight to get on the committee and one prospective
> applicant for the panel who was disappointed made a public statement
> that he should also be given a chance as he is poorer than all the
> members of the panel" The teaching staff also is selected on the same
> basis and do not tell me please the standards are the same if 84% of
the
> class is from the bottom of the barrel being taught by illiterate
> teachers.
Siddharth's assumption is that those 84% of the seats never have
enough people to filll and are just handed out to whoever applies for
it. To believe in such nonsense, you have to be a brahmanoid like
Siddarth.
>The students who get in are not the poor villagers but the rich
> elite from cities a fact made public by Karunanidhi the chief
> minister.That is the reason why they discuss tamil movies in
engineering
> classes.
Siddarth has a point here. Rather than discussing Tamil movies,
they should go back to discussing vedas and upanishads as they used
to do in the good old days.
>Discrimination due to caste, religeon, gender etc has no place
> in education.
Very profound indeed! If it comes from the mouth of a merit-guy,
it's got to have some merit
> Yes poor students who cannot afford to go to college
> should be helped but not rich idiots who inspite of private tuitions
> just do not have the ability and want to continue the practice of
> discrimination. Dravid and the hero are products of this education and
> stoutly defend caste based degrees.
Mr. Siddarth, get this straight for one last time. Neither do I come
from
TN
nor did I go to any school/college/university in TN. I defend the
policy simply because imbeciles like you pretend to care for merit.
> This has been in force for 50 years
> during which Tamil Nadu has not produced even one person of the 84%
who
> can claim to be an educationist or a scientist outside Tamil Nadu.
Abdul Kalam should be from the planet Mars.
> Most
> Tamilians who are known outside have been educated elsewhere or are
from
> the 16%.People like Dravid and the hero come out and find themselves
> completely inadequate in U.S.
How perceptive of Mr.Siddarth! I will begin to worry about that when
my wife complains about my inadequacies... Also it is revealing that
third rate institutions like MIT and UCSF prefer students who are
declared inadequate by our merit guy Siddarth.
I bet Mr.Dravid will whip the ass of our merit guy Siddarth any day, in
any
way he wants.
A personal note to our merit guy P.Siddarth:
Keep up the good work Mr.Siddarth. Brahmanoids on the net and elsewhere
do need a dedicated merit guy like you to carry on the misinformation
campaign.
Screw the Tamils.. Read the Vedas.. Reinvent the glory of Samskrit..
Lick
the ass of Hindians.. Screw the Tamils.. Screw the Tamils..
By the way, what is the latest news from your mentor Govindacharya?
Madurai Veeran
>and start defending their degrees and also
> the caste system. MGR when he was the chief minister was persuaded to
> reserve some seats for NRI's because America does not reserve seats
for
> backward classes.Those are the NRI's studying in Anna
University/Shtalin
> College etc.If the Hero and Dravid etc make an effort, I am sure they
> can come up to the standard rather than thinking that they deserve the
> degree because of their caste.
>As far as the exam are concerned Grace
> marks are always added- more if you can spare some rupees.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Sarasu
Madurai Veeran <mark...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> Mr. Siddarth, get this straight for one last time.
> Neither do I come from TN nor did I go to any
> school/college/university in TN.
Mr.MV, That pimp is very well aware of that as like the other
regulars here.
That pimp even used to reply my posts saying he thought
I was a *merit* guy who writes like a *backward*, just because in
one of the thread I mentioned that i am an iitm alumni, long ago.
Going to the prestigious institutes or going to the institutes in
India where the reservation policy is not enforced fully, WILL NOT
give any body any moral superiority compared to others in defending or
opposing the reservation policy. If it gives then those are all
the real breeding place for some another form of castiest or racist
tendencies.
It is painful to see that the non-brahmins *have to spell* out that
they *also* from some *prestigious* places so that they are in *par*
with *every* brahmins, to defend or oppose anything concerning
indian society, much similar to the situtation exist for
Indian muslims or Indian christians or Indian Sikhs
need to spell out explicitly from roof top that they *also* love
India to prove that they are *not* traitors. Goddamn it.
>I defend the
> policy simply because imbeciles like you pretend to care for merit.
>
Lord Maccaulay would be laughing in his grave if he somehow learn
about how the so called meritorious guys, churned out from his
system which was designed to produce clerks for the british master,
uses the word "merit".
Even now this system, which brutally murdered the native artisanship
or native craftmanship, only churning out mere clerks either a
normal clerk or more sophisticated clerk for the *real* developers or
practitioners of the western technology. Indian merit, my foot.
gdravid.
PS. Mr MV - please dont try to "talk straight" to that pimp, he is a
hit and run pimp. No rational talk with him will be effective.
Also there is no necessity to feel bad and get into defensive when some
mother fucker call you a reservation guy, even if you'r not.
Reservation policy is not an alms for the oppressed section but it is
their *right*.
sure...@my-deja.com
> what will happen if I design a
> building that becomes the next "Leaning tower of Pissa" ?
>
What happens if u are born a pea brained brahmin?
You end up in the US as a computer coolie and think u are the
greatest thing on the face of the earth.
I am sick of hearing stupid half baked gibbersih from u morons.
Go join mama Siddarth and pimp for the Jayalalitha types so that
u kill tamils thru the backdoor.
> I can only sympathise the society..
>
> Regards...
>
>
No regards here moron. Get lost. U guys keeps keep cropping up here
with the same old trash like cockroaches out of the sewer. Do a search
on the news group archives and u'll find quite a few of ur moronic
fore runners shedding croc tears for society - Bottomline is - we don't
care for ur croc tears. Get back to pimping - at least its not affected
by Y2K
Ganga.
Raghu Seshadri
: Radhika Kannan <rka...@oakland.edu> wrote in message
: > > This oversimplification always happens when people get emotional.
: > > As I understand, the quota system is only to enter a university.
: > > Once you are in, you have to meet the standards of the university to
: > > get out, just like the meritorious candidates. Am i wrong?
: > Yes you are. In India, there is reservation for entering a degree program.
: > There
: > are reservations for getting a govt. job after graduation. There is
: reservation
: > for promotions in govt. positions.. ad infinitum..
: This woman is full of lies, the kind of lies that helped her find way to US.
: The kind of reservation she is talking about is confined to the so called
: 'scheduled castes and tribes' and even then, they have to meet certain
: requirements. Of course, she will not go into the details, because she
Funny, first you said she lied, next you agree
that indeed such reservations do exist. So where
is the lie ?
<other nonsense deleted>
RS
Kulbir Singh
The inability to see doesn't imply non-existence.
There are several instruments such as scanning
microscopes, electron tunneling microscopes,
optical telescopes, radio telescopes, X-ray
telescopes to help people overcome their vision
limitations.
regards,
Kulbir Singh
: <other nonsense deleted>
: RS
Raghu Seshadri
: : : > > This oversimplification always happens when people get emotional.
: : : > > As I understand, the quota system is only to enter a university.
: : : > > Once you are in, you have to meet the standards of the university to
: : : > > get out, just like the meritorious candidates. Am i wrong?
: : : >
: : : > Yes you are. In India, there is reservation for entering a degree program.
: : : > There
: : : > are reservations for getting a govt. job after graduation. There is
: : : reservation
: : : > for promotions in govt. positions.. ad infinitum..
: :
: : : This woman is full of lies, the kind of lies that helped her find way to US.
: : : The kind of reservation she is talking about is confined to the so called
: : : 'scheduled castes and tribes' and even then, they have to meet certain
: : : requirements. Of course, she will not go into the details, because she
:
: : Funny, first you said she lied, next you agree
: : that indeed such reservations do exist. So where
: : is the lie ?
:
: The inability to see doesn't imply non-existence.
: There are several instruments such as scanning
: microscopes, electron tunneling microscopes,
: optical telescopes, radio telescopes, X-ray
: telescopes to help people overcome their vision
: limitations.
Ok use them and tell us where the lie is.
RS
:
: regards,
Ganga_is_a_bastard
>You end up in the US as a computer coolie and think u are the
>greatest thing on the face of the earth.
How do u know that he is a computer coolie. Oops I forgot, it takes one
to know one.
Here is an old posting of yours.
Brahminically yours.
==========================================
Subject: Personal web server unable to find additional dll
Date: 1998/10/28
Author: sureshn <sur...@usa.net>
Hi,
I am using VC++ 5 to write an MFC ISAPI dll which in
turn loads another dll (this dll is a mfc regular dll
which uses mfc as a shared dll and also uses another
mfc extension dll).
The problem is that when i try to run the isapi dll on
personal web server on windows 95
all i get is a message saying "One of the library files
needed to run this application cannot be found. ".
I had the ISAPI dll working when i had all the code
within the ISAPI dll itself. Any help in resolving this
problem will be appreciated.
Ganga
S. Prabaharan
: "S. Prabaharan" wrote:
: Yes you are. In India, there is reservation for entering a degree program. There
: are reservations for getting a govt. job after graduation. There is reservation
: for promotions in govt. positions.. ad infinitum..
I think you missed the point. The question is once you enter a program,
there is no reservation to graduate. Everyone must meet the same
standard. Is that not right?
SP
P.Siddharth
> PS. Mr MV - please dont try to "talk straight" to that pimp, he is a
> hit and run pimp. No rational talk with him will be effective.
> Also there is no necessity to feel bad and get into defensive when some
> mother fucker call you a reservation guy, even if you'r not.
> Reservation policy is not an alms for the oppressed section but it is
> their *right*.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
WE LEARN VOCABULARY AND LANGUAGE FIRST FROM OUR PARENTS AND THEN FROM
OUR TEACHERS WHEN WE GO TO SCHOOL.The above statement shows that you
have learnt them well. I doubt you learnt it from your parents. You on
the other hand took 'VOCABULARY 101' in a Tamil Nadu College where they
teach all these literary words (Non Dravidians call it abusive words
used by low life). Now it is a part of the engineering curriculum.That
is because your teachers were selected on the same basis.
Anyway I think we can come to an understanding -
Do you agree that anencephalic (no brain) babies should not be given
degrees because of their caste. They do not have any motor or sensory
function and have to kept alive by artificial means. If you say -you
agree, we are getting closer.
Do you agree that Doctors and engineers should be able to read and write
their name in any language- that eliminates 20% of the reservationists.
Do you agree that the candidates for college should not be severly
mentally retarded. That will eliminate the rest.
You with the hero are very proud for having passed the examination with
grace marks. So why do you hide behind a psuedonym. Come out of the
closet so your colleagues can know about your great accomplishments.
DO NOT MAKE THIS INTO A BRAHMIN/NONBRAHMIN ISSUE. IT IS INSANE/SANE
ISSUE. As far as you guys claiming that you studied outside Tamil
Nadu-why should you be ashamed of being a reservation candidate in Tamil
Nadu. From your language it is obvious you and the Hero both graduated
from Mu.Ka Shtalin University- The only University in the world named
after a rapist and kidnapper.
It is difficult to accept that you belong to the select group (84%)of
the class who are exempted from classes and examination.Be proud of your
background. There is nothing wrong to be mentally retarded. It is not
your fault and Tamil Nadu is ahead in time that it honors idiots and
morons.Just do not treat me if you are a doctor. I prefer the hated
merit doctors like Kalaignar Mu. Ka and Puratchi Veeran MGR.
Madurai Veeran
Dakshin Gandikota <dakgan...@telebot.com> wrote in message
news:37824388...@telebot.com...
> Just because Mad Urai Vee-father-ran at his birth, he has to get Mad at
> everyone. Take it easy Mad. We all have our great dilemmas.
>Have you
> ever considered enrolling in a course with your own merit to pass time
> let alone with high grades?
>
You brahmanoid moron. I will whip your fucking brahmanoid ass any day
anyway
you could care to suggest. And I have whipped the ass of all the brahmanoid
worms like you all through my academic life. I have never come across a
brahmanoid
worthy of his claims. And you are one more.
> ps: I know about Tamil naming convention which is not orthogonal to the
> universal convention.
Moron, you do not know a damn thing about Tamil brahmin naming convention.
If you knew you would not be talking all this nonsense as an answer to my
original question. So, shut the fuck up.
Orthogonal, oblique, what the fuck is your point?
Go back to the original post and read my questions. If you can not
understand
what I am talking about, then disappear from this newsgroup and get back to
soc.culture.telugu and impress the fellow brahmanoids with your crap.
After all, you brahmanoid bastards have converted soc.culture. telugu
into a brahmin forum.
> If Tamil brahmins can subsume the two, and heck
> even have mother's maiden name, then more power to them! The only way
> you are going to show that you are a name-worthy citizen/Tamilian is by
> displaying your culture. And by holy Rajanikanth alias Pedarayadu a.k.a.
> super Tamil hero, there is plenty of it in the movies!
>
And get the fuck out of here.
Madurai Veeran
> Mad Urai We-ran wrote:
> >
> > The custom of using caste names as the last name was abandoned in TN
> > for about 50 years or so. This custom has been carried over by both
> > brahmins and non-brahmins from the Tamil country wherever they settled.
> > We distinguish two Vijayaraghavans by prefixing the name with the
initial
> > letter of ones father's name. This convention/tradition to the best
> > of my knowlege is confined only to the Tamil country. So Mr. Gandukota
> > don't get too excited.
> >
> > My question was to those brahmins of TN who have reinvented the
> > caste appellations. Is this too hard to understand for your
> > stunted brahmin brain?
> >
> > And by the way, no Tamil brahmin worth his salt has given this newsgroup
> > an adequate explantion for my question. As always, they slime out by
> > asking irrelevant questions and side-tracking the issue.
> >
> > And by the way, THE ONLY GUYS (OF TAMIL DESCENT) WHO RUN WEBSITES TO
> > ADVERTISE
> > THEIR CASTE ARE BRAHMINS. And these guys are casteists to the core,
> > who talk big on the net.
> >
> > Madurai Veeran
>
MR LINGA
Tamils on cast and religious lines.Can someone tell me which is the most widely
understood language in south India.
Sarasu
Partha ps...@mail.idt.net wrote:
> WE LEARN VOCABULARY AND LANGUAGE FIRST FROM OUR PARENTS AND THEN FROM
> OUR TEACHERS WHEN WE GO TO SCHOOL.
Anna Mama,
Ennanna Atchu? Etho aRunDha Panni mathiri kathindrukkele?
Enna? Ongakitta "kasu" koduththuttu onga AAthukkarikitta ponava
Routhramahi "ethayavadhu" aruththuttala?
Ennathan irunthalum kai neeti vangindu ippidi Yanai kittallam
anuppi vatcha, Kobam than warum.
Amma appidiye "aruththathan" enna? Onga AAthukkari vera
polambindruntha "aathu" irukkiRathum onnu than illathathum
onnuthannu.
Munnadi wallet irrukkannu ppathu anupintrunthel.
Ippo kaththi irrukannum Parungo.
0|*)
Sarasu(HaaaaNNN)ramar.
thiruna...@hotmail.com
is just enough for a person in a quota system to score just 505 to be
eligible for Engineering enterance exam, whereas for OC it should be a
minimum of 70%, with additional allowance of 3 eligible attempts to
pass the +2 exams.
So when a person enters +2 his aim is only 50% within 3 attempts, if he
is eligible for quota. If not, then it is 70% on the first attempt.
S. Prabaharan
: >
: Reservations apart, the grade system itself is different. For eg. It
: is just enough for a person in a quota system to score just 505 to be
: eligible for Engineering enterance exam, whereas for OC it should be a
: minimum of 70%, with additional allowance of 3 eligible attempts to
: pass the +2 exams.
: So when a person enters +2 his aim is only 50% within 3 attempts, if he
: is eligible for quota. If not, then it is 70% on the first attempt.
I am not getting a clear answer yet. The question is very simple.
Once people are allowed to enter a university or take entrance exams
or whatever, do different standards exist to graduate?. Can I get
an answer please without beating around the bush.
SP
Srivatsan Seshadri
"S. Prabaharan" wrote:
I dont think so. Unless, of course, there are universities in other states
that do it. As far as I know, everybody must meet the same requirements to
graduate. Hope this helps.
cheers
vatsan
>
>
> SP
P.Siddharth
>
> In article <379928...@mail.idt.net>,
> Partha ps...@mail.idt.net wrote:
>
> > WE LEARN VOCABULARY AND LANGUAGE FIRST FROM OUR PARENTS AND THEN FROM
> > OUR TEACHERS WHEN WE GO TO SCHOOL.
>
> Anna Mama,
>
> Ennanna Atchu? Etho aRunDha Panni mathiri kathindrukkele?
>
> Enna? Ongakitta "kasu" koduththuttu onga AAthukkarikitta ponava
> Routhramahi "ethayavadhu" aruththuttala?
> Ennathan irunthalum kai neeti vangindu ippidi Yanai kittallam
> anuppi vatcha, Kobam than warum.
>
> Amma appidiye "aruththathan" enna? Onga AAthukkari vera
> polambindruntha "aathu" irukkiRathum onnu than illathathum
> onnuthannu.
>
> Munnadi wallet irrukkannu ppathu anupintrunthel.
> Ippo kaththi irrukannum Parungo.
>
> 0|*)
>
> Sarasu(HaaaaNNN)ramar.
>
I AM SORRY I FORGOT TO MENTION TAMIL MOVIES as a source of education
S. Prabaharan
: I dont think so. Unless, of course, there are universities in other states
: that do it. As far as I know, everybody must meet the same requirements to
: graduate. Hope this helps.
Right. That means the claim by some people that the society is in danger
from these reservation candidates is largely unfounded. Once you enter
a university, everyone has to meet the same standard. This also applies
to professional licensing exams, medical board exams, etc. However, one
can argue that the standards may be lowered for everyone because of
reservation.
SP
: vatsan
Srivatsan Seshadri
"S. Prabaharan" wrote:
> In soc.culture.tamil Srivatsan Seshadri <sriv...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> : I dont think so. Unless, of course, there are universities in other states
> : that do it. As far as I know, everybody must meet the same requirements to
> : graduate. Hope this helps.
>
> Right. That means the claim by some people that the society is in danger
> from these reservation candidates is largely unfounded.
It is unfounded. There are, of course, innumerable problems with the current
reservation system. But, I think the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.
Millions have benefitted who otherwise had absolutely no chance. Eventually,
this system of reservation, based on birth, probably will have to go and be
replaced by a system based on economics. But, this is still a long distance
away.
> Once you enter
> a university, everyone has to meet the same standard. This also applies
> to professional licensing exams, medical board exams, etc.
> However, one
> can argue that the standards may be lowered for everyone because of
> reservation.
Lowering of standards does occur and, it can wreck havoc -- atleast in some
cases. I know of quite a few instances in Bangalore where reservation worked
against the person who benefitted from it. Let me relate to you just one: One of
my friend's friend had to go to a doctor for a medical check-up (I forget the
exact cause). They (my friend and his friend) belong to some OBC caste (I don't
know). Later when I inquired about it, my friend told me that his friend was
still looking for a doctor since he did not trust "Reservation Doctors" in many
of the nearby clinics. I think it is plausible to argue that lowering of
standards can work against you (even if you excel) if those who benefitted from
the reservation system themselves question the competency of others who
benefitted from the same system.
cheers
vatsan
>
>
> SP
> : vatsan
S. Prabaharan
: still looking for a doctor since he did not trust "Reservation Doctors" in many
: of the nearby clinics. I think it is plausible to argue that lowering of
: standards can work against you (even if you excel) if those who benefitted from
: the reservation system themselves question the competency of others who
: benefitted from the same system.
Right. However, unless there is absolute proof that reservation
doctors are bad, this fear is only psycological. People tend to
think that students who score high on exams are superior. It is only
one parameter. In the US, even if you score high on SAT, you may be
passed for others who scored less but did do volunteer service,
extracurricular activities, etc. i.e., they are looking for "complete"
persons, not exam animals who can cram well but have no other skills.
I know of a number of people who didn't do that well in the university
but are doing much better than the top scorers in the industry.
SP
: vatsan
Srivatsan Seshadri
"S. Prabaharan" wrote:
> In soc.culture.tamil Srivatsan Seshadri <sriv...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> : still looking for a doctor since he did not trust "Reservation Doctors" in many
> : of the nearby clinics. I think it is plausible to argue that lowering of
> : standards can work against you (even if you excel) if those who benefitted from
> : the reservation system themselves question the competency of others who
> : benefitted from the same system.
>
> Right. However, unless there is absolute proof that reservation
> doctors are bad, this fear is only psycological.
Correct. And, to a large extent, this is what I had implied. Even though the student
may have excelled in college -- even though he may have come through reservation --
there *does* exist doubts about his competency in the minds of many.
> People tend to
> think that students who score high on exams are superior. It is only
> one parameter. In the US, even if you score high on SAT, you may be
> passed for others who scored less but did do volunteer service,
> extracurricular activities, etc. i.e., they are looking for "complete"
> persons, not exam animals who can cram well but have no other skills.
Cant argue here. You are right.
>
> I know of a number of people who didn't do that well in the university
> but are doing much better than the top scorers in the industry.
So do I. Let me relate a funny incident about my boss (BTW, he is quite a brilliant
physicist). He told me this story: In Grad school, he had to take a Chem exam. He
flunked three times. Finally, in his fourth attempt, he got the passing grade.
Thrilled by this, he went to his Ph. D. advisor and told him that he had cleared the
exam. His advisor merely looked at him and said, "No, you didn't! We didn't have a
heart to fail you the fourth time!". His grades weren't very good in other subjects
as well. But, he went on to have a brilliant career.
cheers
vatsan
>
>
> SP
> : vatsan
Dakshin Gandikota
>
> In soc.culture.tamil thiruna...@hotmail.com wrote:
> : >
> : Reservations apart, the grade system itself is different. For eg. It
> : is just enough for a person in a quota system to score just 505 to be
> : eligible for Engineering enterance exam, whereas for OC it should be a
> : minimum of 70%, with additional allowance of 3 eligible attempts to
> : pass the +2 exams.
>
> : So when a person enters +2 his aim is only 50% within 3 attempts, if he
> : is eligible for quota. If not, then it is 70% on the first attempt.
>
> I am not getting a clear answer yet. The question is very simple.
> Once people are allowed to enter a university or take entrance exams
> or whatever, do different standards exist to graduate?. Can I get
> an answer please without beating around the bush.
>
The simple answer is yes! My knowledge is limited to the land-grant or
govt univs both
in desh and USA. In desh the north vs. south, linguistic and of course
caste
differences play a role. An athlete for instance will have a different
standard
and requirement, whereas a consistently average scholar with active
participation in
the student/academic/campus/social welfare will get deserved breaks on
occassions. In the USA as far as I can tell the requirements for
graduation, once a job is lined up or a grant is obtained to the
research program, are very much negotiable; otherwise,
one has the option to *burn the bridges* and move on to mingle with the
'land of the free' as found appropriate.
Sarasu
Anna Mama,
Enna ssaththam korangiduththu?
Kayam Aariduththa athukkula?
Chi, Nan oru asadu.
"Nagam" mathiri vettina Kayam evvlo nalaikku?
Ana onunna, Andha bragaspathiI ninatchchathan vedhanaiya irrukku.
Kasaiyum koduththuttu, Onga aathukkarikittayum "poittu",
kobamum wandhu, "athai" oru bootha kannadi vatchu thedi, porummaiya
vetirukkan parungo. ch, ch, ch.
Sariyana Abishtu. Endha "oththa brahmanal" moongile mulzichutho?
0|*)
Sarasu(hhhaaaaNNN)ramar.
gdr...@hotmail.com
sriv...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>
> "S. Prabaharan" wrote:
>
> > In soc.culture.tamil thiruna...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > : >
> > : Reservations apart, the grade system itself is different. For
eg. It
> > : is just enough for a person in a quota system to score just 505
to be
> > : eligible for Engineering enterance exam, whereas for OC it should
be a
> > : minimum of 70%, with additional allowance of 3 eligible attempts
to
> > : pass the +2 exams.
> >
> > : So when a person enters +2 his aim is only 50% within 3 attempts,
if he
> > : is eligible for quota. If not, then it is 70% on the first
attempt.
> >
> > I am not getting a clear answer yet. The question is very simple.
> > Once people are allowed to enter a university or take entrance exams
> > or whatever, do different standards exist to graduate?. Can I get
> > an answer please without beating around the bush.
>
states
> that do it. As far as I know, everybody must meet the same
requirements to
> graduate. Hope this helps.
>
>
> vatsan
>
Thanks Vatsan. But you spoiled an interesting new hide and seek game.
Everybody knows where everybody else is all the time.
but still are searching. You barged in and shouted at the thief.
Its not fair to the game ;-).
gdravid.
> >
> >
> > SP
gdr...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> >
> > : I dont think so. Unless, of course, there are universities in
other states
> > : that do it. As far as I know, everybody must meet the same
requirements to
> > : graduate. Hope this helps.
> >
Doctors" in many
> of the nearby clinics.
Are there any tags attached to the "reservation" doctors so that
people can detect?
>I think it is plausible to argue that lowering of
> standards can work against you (even if you excel) if those who
benefitted from
> the reservation system themselves question the competency of others
who
> benefitted from the same system.
>
The pretense is being deducted here from a source like
"friend of a friend" with lot many bracketed dont know's.
I will give you a very first hand example contrary to this.
I know a popular dalit doctor living near my town in india
who is married to my very close friend who is also a doctor but not a
dalit. In fact both of them living in a caste conscious
semi urban area and she is more popular and almost deitified compared
to her husband. Also most of the people live in that area very well
aware of her caste.
If I were you, I have to deduct like ONLY reservation doctors are
preferred compared to the other doctors.
gdravid
> cheers
>
> vatsan
>
> >
> >
> > SP
> > : vatsan
Srivatsan Seshadri
gdr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> In article <379B6703...@worldnet.att.net>,
> sriv...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > "S. Prabaharan" wrote:
> >
> > > In soc.culture.tamil thiruna...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > : >
> > > : Reservations apart, the grade system itself is different. For
> eg. It
> > > : is just enough for a person in a quota system to score just 505
> to be
> > > : eligible for Engineering enterance exam, whereas for OC it should
> be a
> > > : minimum of 70%, with additional allowance of 3 eligible attempts
> to
> > > : pass the +2 exams.
> > >
> > > : So when a person enters +2 his aim is only 50% within 3 attempts,
> if he
> > > : is eligible for quota. If not, then it is 70% on the first
> attempt.
> > >
> > > I am not getting a clear answer yet. The question is very simple.
> > > Once people are allowed to enter a university or take entrance exams
> > > or whatever, do different standards exist to graduate?. Can I get
> > > an answer please without beating around the bush.
> >
> > I dont think so. Unless, of course, there are universities in other
> states
> > that do it. As far as I know, everybody must meet the same
> requirements to
> > graduate. Hope this helps.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > vatsan
> >
>
> Thanks Vatsan. But you spoiled an interesting new hide and seek game.
> Everybody knows where everybody else is all the time.
> but still are searching. You barged in and shouted at the thief.
> Its not fair to the game ;-).
To tell you the truth, I wasn't even following the thread. I just replied to
Prabaharan. Anyway, what was this new game of hide and seek?
cheers
vatsan
>
>
> gdravid.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > SP
P.Siddharth
> You brahmanoid moron. I will whip your fucking brahmanoid ass a
> worthy of his claims.
Madurai Veeran
>
perspective reckoning and accompanied with your forceful and unique
vocabulary you are inded a dravidian prodigy. I would suggest that you
send a copy of the above excerpt to your mother and Thiru Doctor
Kalaignar MU Ka and Dr. Mu. Ka Shtalin who are in the same class as you.
Your famous sayings will be quoted daily in Murasoli and thanti, Yor
mother will frame it and display it at home,and you will be considered a
second EE. Vay. Ra. You better hurry up as Suresh Ganga is trying to
reach for the accolade.I must be honest enough to say that you still
have not reached the wide vocabulay of EE.Vay RA. as ' Vangayam' is
lacking but you are near the top. Atleast send a copy to your mother in
Tamil Nadu so that they realise that their efforts have not been in
vain.
Srivatsan Seshadri
gdr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Are there any tags attached to the "reservation" doctors so that
> people can detect?
I don't know how he came to the conclusion that this particular doctor was
a "reservation doctor". I was merely narrating an incident that happened
about 15 years ago.
>
>
> >I think it is plausible to argue that lowering of
> > standards can work against you (even if you excel) if those who
> benefitted from
> > the reservation system themselves question the competency of others
> who
> > benefitted from the same system.
> >
>
> The pretense is being deducted here from a source like
> "friend of a friend" with lot many bracketed dont know's.
The "don't knows" have to to do with the caste these guys belonged to. I do
know, however, that they got reservations when they applied to college.
That's all.
>
>
> I will give you a very first hand example contrary to this.
> I know a popular dalit doctor living near my town in india
> who is married to my very close friend who is also a doctor but not a
> dalit.
You are correct. Reservations, by themselves, does not mean that a
particular student is incompetent. On the contrary, may of these guys do
very well in both, academia and in professional career.
> In fact both of them living in a caste conscious
> semi urban area and she is more popular and almost deitified compared
> to her husband. Also most of the people live in that area very well
> aware of her caste.
I am sure this is very common. And, this is one of the points I tried to
raise. If a student comes through reservation, there are people who
automatically question his/her competency even though the student may have
excelled in college. Also, in many cases, if a person comes from OBC, his
competency is immediately questioned. People automatically assume that he
came through reservations -- never mind the fact that this person may well
have competed in the general category and done well.
cheers
vatsan
>
> If I were you, I have to deduct like ONLY reservation doctors are
> preferred compared to the other doctors.
>
> gdravid
>
> > cheers
> >
> > vatsan
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > SP
> > > : vatsan
> >
> >
>
P.Siddharth
In many States the Non Bra1hmins have surpassed the Brahmins in
Education, Culture, Music, literature, Art etc.To consider them as
backward is insulting. The Reddys of Andhra, Lingayats of Karnataka, the
nairs, menons and Thiyyas also Syrian Christians of Kerala, banias and
Thakurs of U.P., Khatris of Punjab, many castes in Bengal do not take a
second place. They compete for excellence and gain their position on
merit. The non brahmins of Tamil Nadu were also in eminent place before
the Dravidianists took over. The Mudaliars, chettiars, Gounders, reached
the top without any problem. Only in Tamil Nadu the advanced Non
Brahmins- which The supreme court calls ' the creamy layer',were
classified as backward which they were not. This completely removed the
incentive to excel and they fell into the trap. Also the creamy layer
took all the top jobs etc and left the lower backwards classes behind
and that is the reason they have not improved for the last 50 years.Once
the incentive was gone to compete on the merit category, things were
easy and gave rise to such mental retards from rich families to get
degrees. Their level of language and culture deteriorated to the level
of rikshawallas and Dravidian leaders. The kind of language can be seen
in letters from the hero and Dravid where due to a loss of words they
use the low class language that their grandfathers would have never
used.
The culture- they emulate their leaders who have several wives and score
of concubines- Thiru Doctor Kalaignar has several wives, and girl
friends, MGR was no less and JJ is also admired for her services to
several people. On a visit to chennai if you hire an Auto and tell the
driver that you want an MGR tour or a MU KA tour you will be shown the
houses of their wives, girl friends, illegitimate children etc and all
have police bandobust outside the houses. It is in the open and much
admired. Also Mu. Ka Shtalin who has admitted to rape and kidnapping of
a muslim who is a wife of a tailor and in any other country that will
be considered a serious crime but Chennai just because of that made him
a mayor and the NRI Tamilians invited him to US, He has no education-
even reservation did not help him, no accomplishments except corruption
rape and kidnapping which is admired by the likes of Hero.
As far as Sanskrit- Gita, Upanishads, for millions of people Hindu and
Non Hindu- including Abdul Kalam, Einstein etc have derived solace and
knowledge but the neo dravidian has replaced this with Silk Smita,
Cotton Kamala and MGR. The history is derived from Tamil Cinema, the
culture from the actors and Dravid and hero are proud of it. Again Mr.
Hero DO NOT SAY THAT ALL NON BRAHMINS ARE BACKWARD. That is the most
assinine statement. They are classified backward only in TN and so they
have become backward only in T.N. If the creamy layer is removed from
the reservation list, they will reassume the position and there will be
no heros in the degree list.
Sarasu
Partha - (->) ps...@mail.idt.net wrote:
> Hero of Madurai: Do not ever state that a1l non Brahmins are backward.
Namashkaram Anna Mama,
Nethikku saththam korangirundhdhu, kayam Ariduththonnu ninatchen.
Thirumba Yen raise akurathu?
Inime vettu pada vera enna vatchurukkel?
Oh aathukkarikku Al pudikka mudiathe uulkayamo?
Ennanna appuram ethukku onga thangai rendaiyum caribbian cruisele
varusha contract'le vittel?
Ava pawam, inga irrunthappa appappa nanawathu Aruthala etho
pesindrunthen. Moththa panam waruthunnu, avaale anga thallittel.
Nalla velay, onga AAthukkari'i athula anuppama irunthel.
Criuse Kara badawa, caribbiankku bathila, "oru pudhu" rout'le
Criuse vitruppan.
0|*)
sarasu(hhhaaaaNNNNramar
Raghu Seshadri
: Come on guys at least in the name of greater Tamil unity don't divide the
:Tamils on cast and religious lines.Can someone tell me which is the most widely
: understood language in south India.
Telugu.
RS
soun...@my-deja.com
whole. If I am not capable to get a degree in the
first place, I will
not
> get one because what is the use ? I will rather
do something that I am good
> at and I will not go and jeopardise the society
by my inefficiency. If I am
> a screw-up student, can I be a good doctor ?
What will happen to the patient
> if I do lobotomy on the wrong side of the brain
or worse-still, if I cut the
> wrong nerves ?
Never mind only one patient dies. But if you deny
him from becoming a
doctor, he'll gather 10,000 of his kind and will
kill 10,000 of your
kind. Look around your neighbours and learn.
- Kumar
madr...@my-deja.com
A Tamil woman (Ms. Kamalatha) in Mannnar was Gang RAPED by 14 Sri-lankan
Army men including 3 Officers and then murdered on July 12th, 1999.
Her only crime was she was born a Tamil.
The Sri lankan military spokesman today confirmed the above incident
and said that all 14 security forces men were arrested.
Sri Lankans need to understand that armies cannot solve political
problems. They only make them worse. India has realized it in Nagaland
and Mizoram. Like India a federal structure with genuine sharing of
power by the Sinhalese with the Tamils is the only solution in Sri
Lanka.
--
Source: DPA dt 07/28/99
Colombo, July 28 (DPA): Fourteen army personnel, including three
officers and a policeman, were arrested for the alleged rape and murder
of a young woman and the burning of houses in the strife- torn north-
western part of Sri Lanka, a military spokesman said yesterday. The
arrests came following strong protests from human hights groups, and
villagers in Mannar, 312 km north of the capital, who called for an
immediate investigation into the rape and murder of the 21-year-old
woman on July 12.
Gopala GANESH
>
>
> Never mind only one patient dies. But if you deny
> him from becoming a
> doctor, he'll gather 10,000 of his kind and will
> kill 10,000 of your
> kind. Look around your neighbours and learn.
>
> - Kumar
This is very likely. Higher education in India is all public money. It
will just not wash if public money is syphoned off by any miniscule
sub-group. Measures of merit based soley on Grade 12 marks etc will not
work and sooner or later, there will be big trouble. THAT is the issue.
Also, I think the definition of merit needs to change. An equation that
combines academics with physical extracurricular activities, public
service etc needs to be put in place. An above average kid with good
extracurricular and public service activities is as good or better than
one with just high marks and nothing else to show for the other areas.
Having said that, in my opinion, the better solution is to completely
stop public financing of higher education and spend all that money on
primary education and primary healthcare. Provide the adults with
simplified access to low interest loans at most, but NO public dole.
Strengthen the foundations by ensuring good primary education (thru
grade 8) and if funds are available, secondary education (9-12) to ALL
of India's children. SO many such kids can be educated and nourished
really well at the cost of one college graduate. This will also
automatically ensure that each subgroup in society receives its fair
share. Pricing higher education realistically will reduce the craze for
often worthless degrees!
My two cents! Hardly matters!!
- ganesh
su...@my-deja.com
hi,
They still wear the "caste" tag in their names because they want to
make use of it..!Brahmins are the first people (in majority)
who went outside India/Tamilnadu for overseas jobs since they thought
that in India, they are deprived of opportunities because of the Quota
system.Their ancestors went abroad and established that they can compete
with any other race in the world and they could prove the foreigners
that they are intelligent.
Unfortunately, foriegners till date beleive that "vegetarian" "fair"
Indians with "pattai" in their forehead and "iyer" or "iyengar" last
names are the intelligent Indians from India.
So the present generations brahmins wants to strengthen the
misconception.
If the quota system affects the Brahmins, who is preventing brahmins
to compete "openly " with other castes in Private comapnies.According
to their theory of "intellectual superiority" of themselves, only
Brahmins will be found in Private comapnies.
WE KNOW THAT , IN REALITY IT IS NOT SO....
So skip all these non-sense and let us discuss something "really useful"
Madurai Veeran <mark...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Last week I was at a workshop in the Silicon valley and I was
pleasantly
> surprised to see a good number of Indians. I would say about 20% of
the
> attendees were Indians. Much to P.Siddarth's dismay, about 50% of
those
> Indians happen be from Tamil Nadu of non-brahmin descent. No, MF.
> P.Siddarth the rest 50% were not brahmins from Tamil Nadu.
>
> For one thing, reservations do seem to have produced the intended
> benefits. Now comes the interesting thing. I noticed only two Tamil
> brahmins in the entire crowd. If you are wondering how did I figure
> that out, well it is not by their 'holy' thread or by the marks on the
> forehead. These two guys wore nametags saying Mr.X-iyer and Mr.Y-
> iyengar.
>
> For those of you, who may not know the naming conventions of Tamil
Nadu
> (and Pondicherry), for the past 50 years or so, we stopped using last
> names, which invariably denote the caste. And exactly for that reason,
> you see names like Raghu Parthasarathi or Parthasarathy Siddarth. If
> you have lived in North India, you certainly would have encountered
> questions from morons in the North about your last name. Any amount of
> explaining would not make any sense to those morons.
>
> Now lets come to the question. Why is that only bramins tend to tout
> their caste names and still claim on this newsgroup they are very much
> anti-caste and such crap? Have you ever seen any one with a nametag as
> mudaliar, chettiar, pillai, or any such thing?
>
> Madurai Veeran