Who is Periyar?
N. V. Kolluru
Now-a-days I see a lot of articles about Periyar on SCT. Could
some kind soul enlighten me on who Mr. Periyar is?
Thanks
Nookaiah V. Kolluru
Dept. of Comp. Sc.
Univ. of Missouri-Rolla
Meenan Vishnu
The real name of Periyaar (lit. "great one" in Tamil) is E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker.
He started the D(ravida) K(azagam) (Dravidian Federation), a Rationalistic
organization aimed at uprooting discrimination, religious exploitaition,
and superstition then present in the TN society.
Naturally he made many enemies in his life time. One of whom is the
the Rajah of Travancore, who hired a bunch of Hindu priests to perform a
Vedic Yajna to destroy Periyaar. But the Raja himself died and Periyaar
lived for a long time after and died at the age of 94, having achived many
victories and social changes in his life-time.
regards,
Meenan Vishnu
MAHENDRAN
>
> Now-a-days I see a lot of articles about Periyar on SCT. Could
>some kind soul enlighten me on who Mr. Periyar is?
If you are not from Tamil Nadu probably you may not heard of him. If you
are from Tamil Nadu you might of heard him one way or other. Now basically
his name is being used in elections by DMK to a very little extent.
____Periyar___
Periyar's full name was EVR E.V. Ramaswamy Naicker. He was in the Congress
in his early days and struggled for the so called untouchables at that time
in a place called Vaikem in Kerala. I think he succeded in getting them
in to a temple or a street belonging to upper caste people. So he was
called as "Vaikem Veerar" which I can translate as Vaikem Soldier.
At some point he thought that the Cong party was dominated by
Brahmins and started his own party called "Justice Party".Then
the name of the party was changed as "Dravidar Kalagam". His party can
be called as anti Brahmin at least at the beginning. Even though the
party was for oppressed people majority of the leaders were non
brahmin high caste people.
He sucessfully fought and won " reservations" for way back in
1940. He held a small demonstration against the independence of
India which according to Periyar would lead to Brahmin domination.
Also he was strongly against contesting in elections which he thought
would make the party an oppertunist. He was against improper marriages
and ladies wearing rope(I dont know how to call in English in tamil it
is called as "talli") around their neck after marriage and having
rituals in the marriage or calling a hindu archar or preist to conduct
the marriage. Annadurai, Karunanidi, Nedunchiliyan, etc were prominent
leaders of the party.
Around 1950 or 1960 when he was 72 Periyar who struggled for
revolutionary marriages and womens rights got married to a 30 year party
activist whose name I forgot. Annadurai and company who were waiting
for an oppertunity to contest the elections grabbed this chance and got
split from the party and started their own party named "Dravida Munnerta
Kalagam". There was a belief that Karunanidhi waited for while in the party
,and after seeing the popularity of the new party joined the new
party.
The new party under ANNA joined with the Swaraj Party lead by
the Brahmin RAJAGOPALACHARI India's first indian Governer general in
the elections for the state assembly. So Periyar a life time oppenent
of Congress supported Congress under Kamaray who dedicated his whole life
for the country. Kamaraj the true leader, Nationalist, who was living
a very modest life lost the elections.
When ANNA became chief minister of Tamil Nadu I think Periyar
and ANNA became close again. He lived until the late seventies and died
when he was 95 or so. some other highlights
*It is known that he met Rajai his prime Brahmin oppenent and congress
leader closed doors before he got married to a lady 35 years younger
than him and refused to disclose the details of the meeting. He replied
"It is personnel".
*When he was asked about the marriage he replied that he didn't trust
anybody in the party so he had to marry somone he can trust.
*His wife became the party leader I think immediately after his death
or may be even before that.
*If I am correct he is not a native tamilian. ie. his mother tongue is
Kannada or Telugu. When someone asked him how come you lead a tamil party
he replied there is no capable candidate from tamil, That's why.
* He also called tamil as Kattu Mirandi Basai ie. Barbarian's Language.
* He wanted to have fools as his party men. For this I think K.Veeramani
present
leader of DK once explained to CHO Ramaswamy of TUKLAK that Periyar
meant" unquestionable dicipline by accepting order without thinking".
* He named the acter Ganesan as "Sivaji Ganesan" after seeing Ganesan
performing SHIVAJI.
* Periyar was born as a rich man.
*Some of his statements against Brahmins were very similar to the attack
of Hitler against Jews which I can't write in detail because it may
be offensive to somebody even though they are not my opinion. After
all HITLER wrote mein Kempf in 1920's
and Periyar might have got all the material from him.
Black shirt for DK men, Adamant anti-Brahmin tone etc. In MEIN KEMPF
Hitler writes in detail about Jews in about 60 pages which is 99%
similar to PERIYAR's speeches and writing's against Brahmins.
If some body asks I can mail to them but I can not write that stuff in
the net.
*I dont know whether any body asked him about his copying from Hitler
but many asked him about the striking similarity of his writings on god
and religion to that of INGARSAL's. Believe me there is an unbelieveable
similarity. You can see no difference at all. Thank god Ingersal was
centuries older than Periyar and he wouldn't have copied from Periyar.
Periyar replied "My material is mine and mine only, no copying".
It is like saying something like "yester day I saw an apple falling
from the tree. I thought for a while and found that it was because
of the earth's power. Newton might have found this 300 years back. But
my Idea is mine and only mine. May be Newton travelled in time machine and
and came to my house in 1993, copied it and went back to claim that he
found a new law"
* He supported Ambedkar and had very high respect for Lord Budha. But
when he was asked to join Budhism by Ambedkar who embrased Budhism
he replied " No. If I join Budhism and attack hidusim it will not
be effective. A hindu attacking hiduism is the best thing."
Somebody pl dont reply as "No he doesn't belong to any religion".
Some DK men's wifes going to temple is their personnel.
* It is known that when RAJAJI died he cried like a kid.
* Somepeople are jumping from roof to floor in shock for JAYALALITHA
joining BJP. Nothing new if you see the History.
ANNA joined RAJAI(a brahmin Periyar opposed)
KARUNANIDHI joined INDIRA GANDHI(a brahmin leader)
MGR visited temples and has no anti brahmin feelings at all.
now JAYALALITHA joins BJP
After all BJP's leader ADVANI is not a BRAHMIN. Of course you can reply that
there is a difference by saying BJP as communal party. But you should
remmember MGR's remark on RSS which is far extreme than BJP. When muslim's
have Muslim League why not RSS for hindus.
Dear friends if you came to this line I have to appreciate your patience.
But believe me I am not a DK. Even my suspected and gone sick when she
saw me reading Periyar. If you read something that doesn't mean you
are accepting it. Whatever I written was from the my readings. I tried to
avoid expressing my views. But in some parts I could not stop it.
No flames please.
MAHENDRAN G
Kathiravan Krishnamurthi
>In article <1993Mar13.2...@umr.edu>, nkol...@cs.umr.edu (N. V. Kolluru) writes...
>>
>> Now-a-days I see a lot of articles about Periyar on SCT. Could
>>some kind soul enlighten me on who Mr. Periyar is?
>If you are not from Tamil Nadu probably you may not heard of him. If you
>are from Tamil Nadu you might of heard him one way or other. Now basically
>his name is being used in elections by DMK to a very little extent.
> ____Periyar___
> At some point he thought that the Cong party was dominated by
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Brahmins and started his own party called "Justice Party".Then
>the name of the party was changed as "Dravidar Kalagam". His party can
>be called as anti Brahmin at least at the beginning. Even though the
>party was for oppressed people majority of the leaders were non
>brahmin high caste people.
He did not think. It was the reality. The white man left.
The high castes took over. RSS and all the stupid Hindu saamees
support fundamentalism. Periyaar was the leader of DK.
Do not confuse periyaar's DK and todays political parties.
Even today it is true. When Jeyalalitha came she shifted all
the non-piraamiN advisors to some other portfolio.
> He sucessfully fought and won " reservations" for way back in
> 1940. He held a small demonstration against the independence of
True.
>India which according to Periyar would lead to Brahmin domination.
>Also he was strongly against contesting in elections which he thought
>would make the party an oppertunist. He was against improper marriages
>and ladies wearing rope(I dont know how to call in English in tamil it
>is called as "talli") around their neck after marriage and having
>rituals in the marriage or calling a hindu archar or preist to conduct
>the marriage. Annadurai, Karunanidi, Nedunchiliyan, etc were prominent
>leaders of the party.
> The new party under ANNA joined with the Swaraj Party lead by
>the Brahmin RAJAGOPALACHARI India's first indian Governer general in
>the elections for the state assembly. So Periyar a life time oppenent
>of Congress supported Congress under Kamaray who dedicated his whole life
>for the country. Kamaraj the true leader, Nationalist, who was living
>a very modest life lost the elections.
periyaar was not a life time opponent of congress. He himself
was a congressman once. Your contradict themselves. Do not
claim that it is not your opinion at the end. Yes,
periyaar was against piraamiNs cheating common people
with idols and getting money. Do you know periyaar found
that all the common people [including naadars, kavuNdars,
vanniyars etc] grew rice but gave that to piraamiNs for
dakshanai. They themselves ate chOlam, ragi and kambu.
Those days piraamiNs did not work but ate on others.
periyaar found that.
all the cheats and
> When ANNA became chief minister of Tamil Nadu I think Periyar
>and ANNA became close again. He lived until the late seventies and died
>when he was 95 or so. some other highlights
>*It is known that he met Rajai his prime Brahmin oppenent and congress
>leader closed doors before he got married to a lady 35 years younger
>than him and refused to disclose the details of the meeting. He replied
>"It is personnel".
>*When he was asked about the marriage he replied that he didn't trust
>anybody in the party so he had to marry somone he can trust.
periyaar sensed that the idiots will sell the cause.
>*His wife became the party leader I think immediately after his death
>or may be even before that.
>*If I am correct he is not a native tamilian. ie. his mother tongue is
>Kannada or Telugu. When someone asked him how come you lead a tamil party
>he replied there is no capable candidate from tamil, That's why.
Who cares. He lived in TN. Spent all his life for the common
people.
>* He also called tamil as Kattu Mirandi Basai ie. Barbarian's Language.
That is for a reason. he wanted to ridicule the rhetorics
of the speakers who described the antiquity of thamizh as
"kal thOndRi maN thOndRaa kaalathukku mun thOndRiya". thamizh
was born nbefore the rocks broke down into mud and sand.
He was right if thamizh was born in the cambrian era or something.
>* He wanted to have fools as his party men. For this I think K.Veeramani
> present
>leader of DK once explained to CHO Ramaswamy of TUKLAK that Periyar
>meant" unquestionable dicipline by accepting order without thinking".
The person asked about periyaar and not your stupid
junk. There could be no better fool than your CHO raamasaamy.
>* He named the acter Ganesan as "Sivaji Ganesan" after seeing Ganesan
>performing SHIVAJI.
>* Periyar was born as a rich man.
>*Some of his statements against Brahmins were very similar to the attack
>of Hitler against Jews which I can't write in detail because it may
>be offensive to somebody even though they are not my opinion. After
>all HITLER wrote mein Kempf in 1920's
>and Periyar might have got all the material from him.
>Black shirt for DK men, Adamant anti-Brahmin tone etc. In MEIN KEMPF
>Hitler writes in detail about Jews in about 60 pages which is 99%
>similar to PERIYAR's speeches and writing's against Brahmins.
>If some body asks I can mail to them but I can not write that stuff in
>the net.
Stop your stupid moorings. um lollup. paRaiyai, poi piratalai
niRuththum.
>* Somepeople are jumping from roof to floor in shock for JAYALALITHA
>joining BJP. Nothing new if you see the History.
> ANNA joined RAJAI(a brahmin Periyar opposed)
> KARUNANIDHI joined INDIRA GANDHI(a brahmin leader)
> MGR visited temples and has no anti brahmin feelings at all.
> now JAYALALITHA joins BJP
kalaingnar is not anti-piraamiN. do not associate only
piraamiNs with temples. MK visits temples too. He does
not publicise it.
periyaar opposed rajaji for his hidden kulal kalvi agenda
not just for the reason that raajaaji was a piraamiN.
>After all BJP's leader ADVANI is not a BRAHMIN. Of course you can reply that
>there is a difference by saying BJP as communal party. But you should
>remmember MGR's remark on RSS which is far extreme than BJP. When muslim's
>have Muslim League why not RSS for hindus.
You have your stupid godsE hidden in you. again stop your
anti-periyaar propagandaa. Your anti-dravidian anti-common man
anti-indian, anti-muslim. MGR might not have been a good leader.
He was not communal like aadvaani or jeyalalitha.
>Dear friends if you came to this line I have to appreciate your patience.
>But believe me I am not a DK. Even my suspected and gone sick when she
>saw me reading Periyar. If you read something that doesn't mean you
>are accepting it. Whatever I written was from the my readings. I tried to
>avoid expressing my views. But in some parts I could not stop it.
>No flames please.
Do stop your distortion.
>MAHENDRAN G
Kathiravan
MAHENDRAN
>In <15MAR199...@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu> mahe...@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (MAHENDRAN) writes:
>
>
>
>>*If I am correct he is not a native tamilian. ie. his mother tongue is
>>Kannada or Telugu. When someone asked him how come you lead a tamil party
>>he replied there is no capable candidate from tamil, That's why.
>
> Who cares. He lived in TN. Spent all his life for the common
>people.
EVEN I DONT CARE
>>* He wanted to have fools as his party men. For this I think K.Veeramani
>> present
>>leader of DK once explained to CHO Ramaswamy of TUKLAK that Periyar
>>meant" unquestionable dicipline by accepting order without thinking".
>
>
> The person asked about periyaar and not your stupid
> junk. There could be no better fool than your CHO raamasaamy.
ARE YOU ALRIGHT. DID I WRITE MY JUNK LIKE YOU ARE DOING. THIS
ANSWER WAS GIVEN BY K.VEERAMANI PERIYAR'S FOLLOWER AND PRESENT
LEADER OF DK. SO YOU BETTER STOP YOUR STUPID JUNK. HOW COME
YOU KNOW THAT CHO RAMASWAMY IS MINE. DID I SAY THAT. IF
WANT TO WRITE AGAINST HIM WRITE. DONT CALL "YOUR CHO"
UNLESS I WRITE SO. CAN I WRITE YOUR RSS.
>>*Some of his statements against Brahmins were very similar to the attack
>>of Hitler against Jews which I can't write in detail because it may
>>be offensive to somebody even though they are not my opinion. After
>>all HITLER wrote mein Kempf in 1920's
>>and Periyar might have got all the material from him.
>>Black shirt for DK men, Adamant anti-Brahmin tone etc. In MEIN KEMPF
>>Hitler writes in detail about Jews in about 60 pages which is 99%
>>similar to PERIYAR's speeches and writing's against Brahmins.
>>If some body asks I can mail to them but I can not write that stuff in
>>the net.
>
> Stop your stupid moorings. um lollup. paRaiyai, poi piratalai
>niRuththum.
DIDN'T I WRITE THAT I CAN MAIL THE SIMILARITIES. READ THE ABOVE PARA
ONCE AGAIN AND IF YOU NEED ASK ME. I WILL MAIL. HE MAY
NOT HAVE COPIED BUT IT LOOKS SIMILAR. EVEN HITLER GOT
HIS IDEA FROM SOME OTHER SOURCE. THERE IS A BOOK CALLED
"THE MAN WHO GAVE HITLER HIS IDEAS".
>
> You have your stupid godsE hidden in you. again stop your
>anti-periyaar propagandaa. Your anti-dravidian anti-common man
>anti-indian, anti-muslim. MGR might not have been a good leader.
>He was not communal like aadvaani or jeyalalitha.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. I THINK YOU SIMPLY WANT TO WRITE SOMETHING.
godsE WHAT IS IT.
WHERE DID YOU GET
TAHT ANTI DRAVIDIAN,ANTI COMMON MAN,ANTI INDIAN,ANTI MUSLIM.
I THINK I FELL IN TO THREE OF THE FOUR CATAGORIES ABOVE.
SO I AM ANTI MYSELF. I AM NOT EVEN ANTI PERIYAR.I WAS
THE ONE REPLIED TO COBRA WHEN HE CALLED BUSLIMS ARE
BASTARDS IN THE SOC.CULTURE.INDIAN. SO YOU MAY
BE ANTI MUSLIM NOT ME.
>
>Kathiravan
EVERYBODY GOT THEIR RIGHT TO WRITE WAHTEVER THEY LIKE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO CRITISIZE YOU CAN DO IT.BUT DONT
SIMPLY WRITE ANT xxxxx.
Kathiravan Krishnamurthi
>In article <kat.732244748@crusher>, k...@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes...
>>In <15MAR199...@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu> mahe...@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (MAHENDRAN) writes:
>>
If somebody asks who is periyaar? write something sensible.
There is no need for Hitler and sO in your answer. You
have the right. I do have to criticise you.
anban
Kathiravan
M. Sundaramoorthy
>
> The new party under ANNA joined with the Swaraj Party lead by
>the Brahmin RAJAGOPALACHARI India's first indian Governer general in
>the elections for the state assembly. So Periyar a life time oppenent
>of Congress supported Congress under Kamaray who dedicated his whole life
>for the country. Kamaraj the true leader, Nationalist, who was living
>a very modest life lost the elections.
>
> When ANNA became chief minister of Tamil Nadu I think Periyar
>and ANNA became close again. He lived until the late seventies and died
>when he was 95 or so. some other highlights
>
>
>* Somepeople are jumping from roof to floor in shock for JAYALALITHA
>joining BJP. Nothing new if you see the History.
>
> ANNA joined RAJAI(a brahmin Periyar opposed)
> KARUNANIDHI joined INDIRA GANDHI(a brahmin leader)
> MGR visited temples and has no anti brahmin feelings at all.
> now JAYALALITHA joins BJP
>there is a difference by saying BJP as communal party. But you should
>remmember MGR's remark on RSS which is far extreme than BJP. When muslim's
>have Muslim League why not RSS for hindus.
>
[Rest of the 'informative' article on Periyar deleted]
Dear Mr.Mahendran,
You have exposed once again the unprincipled Dravidian parties and
their opportunism that was done a million times before (major credit
should go to the only intellectual of Tamil Nadu, Cho Ramaswamy, who
would never spare a page of his magazine without that). And they
themselves would shamelessly admit that. [eg. recent statement of
the "senior Dravidian leader" of AIADMK V.R. Nedunchezhiyan: 'There
is nothing wrong to make alliance with BJP' (anyway, as long as he
gets a berth in any ministry, irrespective of the party and the
principles, it is alright for him), because his mentor had told
'maaRRaan thOttaththu malligaikkum maNam uNdu'].
What I haven't heard so far is the strong adherence to the principles
of their opponents ranging from Rajaji to BJP when the Dravidian
hypocrites try to woo them. So I am still not able to get a clear
picture how Dravidian parties could compromise on their principles,
while their opponents could stick to their unyielding principles,
when the alliances you mentioned involve both the groups. Can you
please enlighten me on the following?.
(1). Anna joined with the Brahmin leader Rajaji to fight Congress
party in 1967 and Periyar supported his life time opponent Congress
party and its leader Kamaraj, because he wanted to oppose Anna.
I am wondering how could a principled elderly statesman
(Brahmin) Rajaji join hands with the unprincipled anti-Brahmin
leader Anna to oppose Congress party whose member he was most
of his life and which made him the Governer General of India
on whose behalf he ruled Madras state.
And also I am not able to believe that 'the true leader,
Nationalist', K. Kamaraj could accept the support of the
sessionist Periyar who held a 'small demonstration' against
the independence of India.
(2). Another opportunist Karunanidhi joined Indira Gandhi, a Brahmin
leader, who would dismiss him later and institute a commision on his
misrule. And, he shamelessly allied with her again in 80.
Is that true that the national (Brahmin) leader, Indira Gandhi
sought the support of Karunanidhi to survive in power in early
70s?. And how could she join him again in '80, eventhough he
plotted to kill her in Madurai?.
(3). How could the Brahmins support MGR and Jayalalitha, eventhough
their party is an offshoot of the anti-Brahmins parties DK and DMK
that still claim to follow the 'principles of Periyar and Anna'?.
(4). Do you think the Hindu nationalist party BJP that believe
'Aryans' are indigenous people of India, would join AIADMK,
whose leader wants Periyar, an avowed atheist and anti-Aryan,
to be conferred with the highest honor of India "Bharat Ratna" and
makes a generous donation to Periyar trust?.
(5). If that happens, do you think the principled Congress would not
join with DMK, though it 'harboured LTTE terrorists' who would
'assasinate' its beloved leader Rajiv Gandhi?.
>No flames please.
No. This is not a flame. Just waiting to be enlightened.
>MAHENDRAN G
M. Sundaramoorthy
sun...@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
MAHENDRAN
>>
>
>>Kathiravan
>
I need to clarify again. Some other guy may write
that I admitted being an ANTI COMMON MAN,MUSLIM,INDIAN,DRAVIDAN ETC.
It is a grammer/sentence formation mistake. I meant that
I am Indian, Comman man & dravidan(according to Periyar's definition)
So If I am against the above I am against me.
I read lot of articles even in soc.culture.tamil which
critizies Tamilian's to intollerable extent. Why dont
this guy reply to them so that they can stop it instead
of calling me anti eeeeXXXX etc.
Thanks for so many friends who wrote to me. Even somebody
asked to write more. If somebody wants any specifics I can
write. But I dont prefer writing my opinion in these kind
of subjects. There are extremes in both sides. See this guy
he didn't even write comments for all the things even he
highlighted. I am not asking for it. But no need to repeat
the whole posting if the intention is reply to some 10%.
Periyar, we can tell did lot of good things that I mentioned
in the begining. Even many asked him about the similarities
between his writings and Ingersal's. There are some guys
who simply could not resist their urge to write something
whatever somebody else writes.
Even many of the Periyar's followers opposed him and joined
DMK. I will not call them as anti periyar. There is a opinion
in the beginning that only the non brahmin high caste people
were benifited by Periyar's reservation for non brahmins. Then
most backward communities complained that only backward
communities are being benifited.
Long before Vanniyar Sangam leader
Dr. Ramados complained about the non represrentation of most
backward community one retired IAS officer wrote an article
critisising the then reservation system in "THUKLAK". I forgot
his name. He complained that DK only prevents the
true backward communities to come together in their struggle
against non brahmin high caste. He told that DK's anti Brahmin
stand didn't help the real most backward communities. According
to him If DK had been fair it would have got reservation for
most backward's at the very early stage. But they had to wait
until 1991/2. He belongs to a most backward community and told
that in KERALA and KARNATAKA there is no DK. But their reservation
system is far better than the one in TAMIL NADU in representing
the real most backward communities.
Some more on PERIYAR----
*He once had. Periyar replied "Rajaji is a selfles worker, honest,
kind, and true leader but only for Brahmins and their interests.
Then Gandhi told
"I know one Brahmin who is very good. His name is THILAGAR"
Periyar replied
"You are Mahatma. Even you can tell only one. So it is
not surprising that I am like this".
*It is told that once when some DK leader attacked RAJAJI
in an indecent way in a public meeting he interrupted and
stopped him by saying "stop it. He is older than you. Attack
his ideas not him. Remember he is older than you.
*During his last years he had high respect for KARUNANITHI.
he asked his followers to built a statu for him in ANNA SALAI.
Immediately after that KARUNANITHI lost the election. He could
not win the elections until the statu was removed by some
thugs during the funeral of MGR.
Afte that KARUNANITHI won the elections. During his rule
DK leader wanted to built the statu again. But Karunanithi
told
"I dont want that to be built again"
VEERAMANI
"Some people are saying that KARUNANITH believes that only
because of the statue he could not win elections. SO if
you try to stop they may tell they are right."
KARUNANITHI
"If you want to built it again it may mean that you want
me not to win"
VEERAMANI
"We will rebuild your statu. It was an order from PERIYAR."
JAYALALITHA
"We also support VEERAMANI in this"
We all know Karunanithi lost the elections after that.
*Periyar was once asked how come so many people believe
in god in western countries.
Periyar
"It doesn't mean that there are no stupid's in USA etc".
*Periyar had high respect for the true leader KAMARAJ.
He called him PACHAITH TAMILAN. true/original tamilan.
*Even during his last days he tirelessly visited so
many places to give speeches.
Meenan Vishnu
>>
>> Now-a-days I see a lot of articles about Periyar on SCT. Could
>>some kind soul enlighten me on who Mr. Periyar is?
>
> At some point he thought that the Cong party was dominated by
>Brahmins and started his own party called "Justice Party".Then
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is not quite true. The Justice Party was formed long before
EVR. EVR transformed the elitist justice party to a mass
DK.
>*If I am correct he is not a native tamilian. ie. his mother tongue is
>Kannada or Telugu. When someone asked him how come you lead a tamil party
>he replied there is no capable candidate from tamil, That's why.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Interesting. Can you please provide some pointers, where I can
see this in print ?
>*Some of his statements against Brahmins were very similar to the attack
>of Hitler against Jews which I can't write in detail because it may
>be offensive to somebody even though they are not my opinion. After
>all HITLER wrote mein Kempf in 1920's
>and Periyar might have got all the material from him.
>Black shirt for DK men, Adamant anti-Brahmin tone etc. In MEIN KEMPF
>Hitler writes in detail about Jews in about 60 pages which is 99%
>similar to PERIYAR's speeches and writing's against Brahmins.
>If some body asks I can mail to them but I can not write that stuff in
>the net.
This comparison of Hitler and Periyar is done by quite a few
Bramin media. But this analogy is far fetched since
there had been
no killings or genocide by the DK. On the other hand there was atleast
one attempt to kill EVR by those who opposed him.
>
>*I dont know whether any body asked him about his copying from Hitler
>but many asked him about the striking similarity of his writings on god
>and religion to that of INGARSAL's. Believe me there is an unbelieveable
I think you mean Robert Green Ingersoll, an American Rationalist who lived
around 1880.
>similarity. You can see no difference at all. Thank god Ingersal was
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is not true. I read two of Ingersoll's work (Immortal Infidel, and
Fifty Great Selections). While they are
similar in spirit to the EVR's philosophy, they differ a lot in detail.
Periyar said he came to know of Ingersol through one of his followers.
(see Interviews by Charles Ryerson in his PhD Thesis)
(It is interesting to note that now Ingersoll's works are hardly
known in USA and hardly available, whereas they are popular in TN
made popular by the DK. They are even translated in Tamil!!)
>* It is known that when RAJAJI died he cried like a kid.
He had many personal Bramin friends. He did not hate them as is
usually portrayed to us by the Bramin controlled media. He hated
the philosophy of Brahmanism for having taught the Indian
masses to be obsequious.
>
>* Somepeople are jumping from roof to floor in shock for JAYALALITHA
>joining BJP. Nothing new if you see the History.
>
> ANNA joined RAJAI(a brahmin Periyar opposed)
> KARUNANIDHI joined INDIRA GANDHI(a brahmin leader)
> MGR visited temples and has no anti brahmin feelings at all.
> now JAYALALITHA joins BJP
Yes, Very true. The sad thing is that EVR did not have a proper
vaarisu. Annaa, MK, Jeya are a great shame to EVR. I think India
was (and is) not ready for Periyaar. The light (of reason) he lit in
TN is now pretty much gone and even the lamp is being buried in the
mud of religion :-(
>MAHENDRAN G
Meenan Vishnu
MAHENDRAN
what. Dont write I am pro sanskrit. I dont know a single word in sanskrit.
So keep on continuing with your confused right to criticise by writing
STOP THIS CRAB. BE SENSIBLE.
IF YOU HAD SENSE YOU SHOULD HAVE REPLIED SENSIBILY.ALL YOU
know is anti eeee. stop this crap. be sensible.
Even Periyar once wrote similarities about jews and brahmins
and told x is better than y /something of this sort. So
there is no need for Periyar himself to talk about Hitler.
So he is also senseless according to you.
You keep on criticise buddy. See some never grow. Why dont you
write to many articles that come soc.culture.sri_lanka which
is so against tamils. I did. Now call me as pro LTTE. I am
not pro LTTE. Sombody writes about sanskrit is their right.
O your right is to oppose it. I forgot. Why dont you write
your own version of Periyar instead of just readiing in between
lines of my articles. Or at least answer all my points.
First of all try to fight with others to become famous. It
will not work. Write your opinion. Not just two three lines.
What about the retired IAS officer's complaint about Periyar.
No reply?
Just keep on writing senslessly like
be sensible. Stop crap. Stop stupidity.
Why dont you give a list of things that should be written
in the net. We will try to follow. Your lack of knowlwdge
and lust to write something in the net made you to
misunderstand me as an anti Periyar pro BJP and it
followed with your crap.
I am not anti or pro anybody so you nobody reply to
the folks in soc.culture.sri-lanka who may be a
better match for you. If you can stop it you can
really become famous and that will be a very good thing
to do.
Just writing stop the crap will not stop them. So you
may have to use your brain.
MAHENDRAN
>In article <15MAR199...@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu> mahe...@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (MAHENDRAN) writes:
>>In article <1993Mar13.2...@umr.edu>, nkol...@cs.umr.edu (N. V. Kolluru) writes...
>>>
>> At some point he thought that the Cong party was dominated by
>>Brahmins and started his own party called "Justice Party".Then
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This is not quite true. The Justice Party was formed long before
>EVR. EVR transformed the elitist justice party to a mass
>DK.
>
YOU ARE RIGHT. BUT BEFORE HIM IT WAS NOBODY.
>>*If I am correct he is not a native tamilian. ie. his mother tongue is
>>Kannada or Telugu. When someone asked him how come you lead a tamil party
>>he replied there is no capable candidate from tamil, That's why.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Interesting. Can you please provide some pointers, where I can
>see this in print ?
> I AM 100% TRUE. BUT I DONT REMEMBER THE SOURCE.
>
>>*Some of his statements against Brahmins were very similar to the attack
>>of Hitler against Jews which I can't write in detail because it may
>>be offensive to somebody even though they are not my opinion. After
>>all HITLER wrote mein Kempf in 1920's
>>and Periyar might have got all the material from him.
>>Black shirt for DK men, Adamant anti-Brahmin tone etc.
>
>
>This comparison of Hitler and Periyar is done by quite a few
>Bramin media. But this analogy is far fetched since
>there had been
>no killings or genocide by the DK. On the other hand there was atleast
>one attempt to kill EVR by those who opposed him.
>>
I CAN NO WAY COMPARE THEM. BUT IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A CHANCE
TRY TO GET A COPY OF "MEIN KEMPF". I THINK ALREADY YOU
MIGHT HAVE READ PERIYAR. IN MEIN KEMPF BY HITLER THERE
IS A CHAPTER NAMED "THE RACE".
It is around 60 pages if you dont see any similarity I
will get back my words. The thing is HITLER is an evil.
who fought for superiority. Afterall Periyar fought for
oppressed masses and devoted his life for it. But his
attack agains Brahmins were very very very similar.
There is some 10 principal points you can get by one glance
of Mein Kempf.It is available in all US college libraries.
So pl. pl.dont think I am saying both are same. But one of
my friend told "Periyar might have did the same if he had
a chance". But I disagree. You know in the recent 1991
conference in Trichi Veeramani DK leader told "Brahmins
get out from Tamil Nadu". There are some other comments
I read in "VIDUTHALI" DK magaine which I cant write.
>>
*I dont know whether any body asked him about his copying from Hitler
>>but many asked him about the striking similarity of his writings on god
>>and religion to that of INGARSAL's. Believe me there is an unbelieveable
>
>I think you mean Robert Green Ingersoll, an American Rationalist who lived
>around 1880.
>
>>similarity. You can see no difference at all. Thank god Ingersal was
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>This is not true. I read two of Ingersoll's work (Immortal Infidel, and
>Fifty Great Selections). While they are
>similar in spirit to the EVR's philosophy, they differ a lot in detail.
>Periyar said he came to know of Ingersol through one of his followers.
>(see Interviews by Charles Ryerson in his PhD Thesis)
>(It is interesting to note that now Ingersoll's works are hardly
>known in USA and hardly available, whereas they are popular in TN
>made popular by the DK. They are even translated in Tamil!!)
You know even many asked Periyar himself about the similarities.
I read all volumes of PERIYAR speeches long back. At that time
his aruguments were so impressive that I stopped believing in GOD.
But after a while I got an Idea that KARL MARX would be a better
person in that. But for the beginner Periyar is the best.
I read Ingersal in a book published by "Vijaya Pathipakam"
After a while I realised all their arguments are based on
questions even they themselves cant answer.
Like when Periyar says "who created world" ok.GOD.
Then who created GOD?. So you dont believe in GOD.
But these unanswered questions can't be taken as
a proof for there is no god. What about muslims and
christians and etc.
Even Kannadasan great DK leader became great believer
of GOD like majority of DK,DMK & All of ADMK.AS
somebody said with a finite mind we cannot judge
infinite things like GOD , SUPERIOR power etc.
As regards to Ingersall/Periyar the basic concept in disbelieving
god has to be the same. But I dont remember now. Periyars
Speeches will come around 1000 pages 3 volume series.
At that time I was surprised by the similarities. Another
thing is INGERSAL might not have known about Brahmins
and Hiduism and vedas. His was basically against GOD.
So there has to be differece but the principal concepts
are same. The point even if I talk it will be like teir's
but they were the one who started.
>>
>> ANNA joined RAJAI(a brahmin Periyar opposed)
>> KARUNANIDHI joined INDIRA GANDHI(a brahmin leader)
>> MGR visited temples and has no anti brahmin feelings at all.
>> now JAYALALITHA joins BJP
>
>Yes, Very true. The sad thing is that EVR did not have a proper
>vaarisu. Annaa, MK, Jeya are a great shame to EVR. I think India
>was (and is) not ready for Periyaar. The light (of reason) he lit in
>TN is now pretty much gone and even the lamp is being buried in the
>mud of religion :-(
>
>>MAHENDRAN G
>
>Meenan Vishnu
And what about DK leader Veeramani's support to the then
AIADMK leader Janaki ammal during the TN assembly elections.
Both sections of Dravidan parties were lead by two Brahmin
persons. I am just saying the fact. I dont oppose it.
Instead of jumping on me as anti periyar you wrote something
very interesting. That's the difference between somebody
who really knows PERIYAR AND somebody who knows very little
about anything.
True Tamizhan
The British gave jobs to Brahmins and then (Lord Erksine) released a report saying that there is Brahmin domination. Why did they give jobs in the first place? It is like pinching the baby and rocking the cradle.
Some communities are flourishing in retail trade(Nadars), some communities have more members joining the military compared to others, some are very rich (sections of Chettiars). There is nothing wrong with that and we should not be jealous.
T.M.Nair(malayalee), E.V.R. (a kannadiga) Kurma (Telugu) Pitti Thyagaraya (Telugu). Why did not these people go to Palakad, Karnataka, Pitti and preach?
EVR went to Kerala(because of his anti Malayalee feelings) and but he did not to Kannada speaking areas.
E.V.R. said that if Hindi comes then Samskritam will also come and then there will be Brahmin domination. However such a thing has not happened in Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh.Why do grand children of VIPs study Hindi in CBSE schools (where 3 language policy is followed) and not in government schools.
Samskritam was known to many of the Chola and Pallava Kings e.g.Kulothunga Cholan, Mahendra Varma Pallavan etc. If Samskritam caused Brahmin domination then Rajendra Cholan could not have become so great. Samskritam did not weaken but rather strengthened the Cholas, Pallavas etc. Dr.B.R.Ambedkar learnt and respected Samskrit highly.
There are no anti Brahmin feelings expressed in the inscriptions or copper plates (before British rule started) in Tamizhagam.
Please read Swami Vivekananda's "Colombo to Almora" and empower downtrodden. British Rule = Dravidian Movement = divide and rule
Swami Vivekananda = unite and serve
psan...@gmail.com
I agree to you 100%. All the facts you wrote are true to the word and spirit. EVR had some personal vendetta against some people, and he formulated this Dravida Kazhakam....where in reality there is nothing called Dravidam...
If it is fair skinned, vs dark skinned, Indian parents have some children dark and others fair. Is is perfectly natural to have dark skin when working in outdoors , agrarian works in most parts of India.
Tamil is the oldest daughter of Sanskrit....Tamil vocabulary has 40% words from Sanskrit..If you don't believe listen to Karakattakkaran...RamaRaj-Kanaka movie , using village Tamil.....more than half the words they speak is pure Sanskrit..Malayalam is 60 % Sanskrit and 40% Tamil (which has again derived from Sanskrit).Try to learn and respect the great mother of all languages, Sanskrit...If Tamil is our mother, then Sanskrit is the Grandmother.
EVR was a paid puppet of the British,,,The British had so many EVRs all over India..that is how they ruled India...If we were to rule England some day, we will try to confuse, defuse and de-activate the most virulent group there..it is but natural..isn't it? It is called Divide and Rule.
Indian, Hindu, Sanatana Dharma has survived so many great wars, conquests, 800 year Muslim rule and 200 year Christian European Rule. Still, India is 80% Hindu, an overwhelming majority, still at peace with the other 2 religions...There is something intrinsically true about this religion, otherwise it wouldn't survive ,,,,,and flourish so long, with ZERO compulsion to believe in any God, or to do any ritual.
Sanskrit is the most structurally perfect language in the world. It is the only language that can be learnt in 10 days , yes 10 days ...to start speaking. This increases the intellect, reasoning, memory, and other values in the learner. This may explain why Brahmins score in the mental, mathematical,musical arenas, than other castes...Instead of harming and excluding the Brahmins, try to learn what they do and if you find it worthwhile, follow it.
Brahmins are the most peace loving and soft people known,,,the incidents about Brahminical tyranny , are a piece of pure fiction....To see tyranny, you should know what happened during the reigns of Ivan the Impaler, Muhammed Ghori and the like...Demographically speaking, the Indian prison records show Brahmins to be the LOWEST per-capita distribution of jail inhabitants vis-a-vis other castes and religions in India.
The Kerala Communists copied Russian literature and wrote so many plays in Kerala with a bid to make believe that all those gory tales happened here. EVR copied Hitler to make the reader / listener/ follower think that Brahmins did what Jews did to German peasants in the 30's and 40's.
Tamil Cinema, an art form, was misused to propagate the erronous Aryan Dravidian theory (which was a British Divide and Rule instrument) from the time of M. Karunanidhi uptil the new generation. Personally, Rajinikant and Jayalalithaa never were anti-Hindu nor have they pretended to be....
You should go out of TN to see how great Tamil Nadu is...You have to go out of India to see how great Mother India is...
Api Swarnamayi Lanka
Na Me Lakshmana Rochate
Janani Janmabhoomischa
Swargadapi Gareeyasi.......Vatmiki Ramayan...Conversation of Sri Rama to Lakshmana.after winning Lanka from Ravan...meaning...
Even when Lanka is made of Gold, does not interest me Lakshmana,
Mother and Motherland are greater than Heaven
Vande Mataram
PSA
vikask...@gmail.com
This mail is regarding Periyars Spaches. Kindly send them, if it is in English.
About these lines:
similar to PERIYAR's speeches and writing's against Brahmins.
If some body asks I can mail to them but I can not write that stuff in
the net."
vikas karanth