Confusinism = Cronism
Siansiansian
know why Mao TsuDong was so against Confusianism, becaese it confuses
everyone that Cronism should be encouraged to protect your relatives,
friends and parents who has commited criminal acts under so called
"cover each other secrecy"
I think it is totally assurd. Before 1990, Confusianism was not even
practiced in Singapore, it is only started to appear about after 1990.
And this will destroy Singapore in time-bombs.
China cannot afford toreturn to this corrutped old feudal system, it
will create a lot of social stability problems as more cornism will
destory the faith of New China. Now I understand why Chairman started
the Cultural revolution to purge such a corrupted old China culture.
I am now fully convinced, Confusiansm should NOT be allowed to return
as a main stream of thought as it encourage and aloow covering up of
corruption as well as cronism.
.
Siansiansian
After watching the Public lecturer program over Phoenix TV station, I
now
understand why Mao TseDong was so against Confucianism,.Confuciansm
confuses everyone that cronyism can be encouraged to protect your
relatives,
friends and parents who has committed criminal acts under so called
"cover each other secrecy" even that will destroy the justice.
I think it is totally absurd. Before 1990, Confucianism was not even
practiced in Singapore, it is only started to appear about after 1990.
And this will destroy Singapore in time-bombs.
China cannot afford to return to this corrupted old feudal system, it
will create a lot of social stability problems as more cronyism will
destroy the faith of New China. Now I understand why Chairman started
the Cultural revolution to purge such a corrupted old China culture.
I am now fully convinced, Confucianism should NOT be allowed to return
as a main stream of thought as it encourage and allow covering up of
corruption as well as cronyism.
aozo...@aol.com
Dad, you live in China - the most cronyism state there is on the
Planet!
Raymond
is how GW Bush got his current job, and it has nothing to do with
Confucianism.
baldeagle
>
> ................ Before 1990, Confusianism was not even
> practiced in Singapore, it is only started to appear about after 1990.
> And this will destroy Singapore in time-bombs.
>
What is confusianism ?
If you meant... Confucianism.
Then, you are wrong.
It is a tradition and a way of life propagated by Confucius.
Since the 6th century, Confucius teachings permeates
Chinese society in China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Malaysia,
Vietnam, and of course in Singapore.
It is in our culture...the way we respect our elders,..never to
question them, the way pray to our death, the way we greet
one and other...and relate on our family and society at
large, the way we conduct the funeral of our loved ones, ..the
way we think, .......
http://www.answers.com/topic/confucianism
puhk oz
"baldeagle" <botak...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message
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Kuan Yew !!! LOL!!!
baldeagle
> "baldeagle" <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message
My Confucianism ?
I don't own any ideology or the thinking of Confucius.
You have a muddle mind.
rst0wxyz
> On May 12, 12:40 am, Siansiansian <williamta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ................ Before 1990, Confusianism was not even
> > practiced in Singapore, it is only started to appear about after 1990.
> > And this will destroy Singapore in time-bombs.
>
> What is confusianism ?
>
> If you meant... Confucianism.
> Then, you are wrong.
>
> It is a tradition and a way of life propagated by Confucius.
> Since the 6th century, Confucius teachings permeates
> Chinese society in China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Malaysia,
> Vietnam, and of course in Singapore.
> It is in our culture...the way we respect our elders,..never to
> question them, the way pray to our death, the way we greet
> one and other...
The way we greet each other was and still is an indication of past
Chinese history of starvation and scarcity of food in Chinese society,
i.e., "Have you eaten yet?"
baldeagle
>
> The way we greet each other was and still is an indication of past
> Chinese history of starvation and scarcity of food in Chinese society,
> i.e., "Have you eaten yet?"
>
Yes. very true.
d developed a system of greeting that lasted until today ...in
China, Japan and Korea....bowing.
In China, one can tell whether ...you are a well bred gentleman,
or a uncouth peasant by the way you bow in greetings.
puhk oz
"rst0wxyz" <rst0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3dbe5861-3744-4707...@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
The way we greet each other was and still is an indication of past
Chinese history of starvation and scarcity of food in Chinese society,
i.e., "Have you eaten yet?"
I don't know about you, but we don't ask that question anymore.
We say "ni hao" (你好)! or good morning "zao shang hao" (早上好).
Jim Walsh
(in article
<f2977966-c34c-4a48...@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
> It is in our culture...the way we respect our elders,..never to question
> them, the way pray to our death, the way we greet one and other...and relate
> on our family and society at large, the way we conduct the funeral of our
> loved ones, ..the way we think, .......
The claim that Confucius told the Chinese "never to question" their elders is
false.
--
Love, Jim
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Jim Walsh
(in article
<3dbe5861-3744-4707...@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com>):
>
> The way we greet each other was and still is an indication of past Chinese
> history of starvation and scarcity of food in Chinese society, i.e., "Have
> you eaten yet?"
Well, I guess my mom had the same history (LOL) because that is how she
greets me.
aozo...@aol.com
baldeagle
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 07:03:46 +0800, baldeagle wrote
>
> The claim that Confucius told the Chinese "never to question" their elders is
> false.
>
You obviously know very little about Confucius teaching.
rst0wxyz
> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3dbe5861-3744-4707...@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> The way we greet each other was and still is an indication of past
> Chinese history of starvation and scarcity of food in Chinese society,
> i.e., "Have you eaten yet?"
>
> I don't know about you, but we don't ask that question anymore.
Come to Chinatown, USA. You'll hear it every day.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<b78face7-c1d5-4833...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):
Find someplace where he says "never question elders" and prove me wrong.
How many times have you read his works? I read them slowly. It takes me about
two years to finish them. Then I start all over. I have read them at least 5
times.
He is extremely deep. Most of my Chinese friends feel as you do that he is a
part of their history that has no value today. On the other hand, some
Chinese (especially from Singapore) claim that without him, there would be no
Chinese culture.
baldeagle
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 22:49:47 +0800, baldeagle wrote
> (in article
>
> > On May 12, 4:34 pm, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 12 May 2008 07:03:46 +0800, baldeagle wrote
> >> The claim that Confucius told the Chinese "never to question" their elders
> >> is false.
> > You obviously know very little about Confucius teaching.
>
You know almost nothing about Confucius teaching.
>
> How many times have you read his works?
My grandpa taught me to behave according to
Confucius teaching before I could walk. It is our(Chinese)
cultural heritage. The Chinese need not read books
to learn his great teaching.
For people like you, what is the use of reading his words..
you don't understand what you read....very obvious from
your postings.
rst0wxyz
> On May 12, 11:13 pm, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 12 May 2008 22:49:47 +0800, baldeagle wrote
> > (in article
> > <b78face7-c1d5-4833-8112-c04538e28...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > > On May 12, 4:34 pm, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 12 May 2008 07:03:46 +0800, baldeagle wrote
> > >> The claim that Confucius told the Chinese "never to question" their elders
> > >> is false.
> > > You obviously know very little about Confucius teaching.
>
> You know almost nothing about Confucius teaching.
>
> > How many times have you read his works?
>
> My grandpa taught me to behave according to
> Confucius teaching before I could walk. It is our(Chinese)
> cultural heritage. The Chinese need not read books
> to learn his great teaching.
Replace "great" with "old, outdated and useless".
Jim Walsh
(in article
<3108290c-d0c6-4d4a...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>):
> For people like you, what is the use of reading his words.. you don't
> understand what you read....very obvious from your postings.
I see. Unable to find words of Confucius to support your claim, you make
jokes.
puhk oz
On May 12, 12:53 am, "puhk oz" <p...@oz.com> wrote:
> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3dbe5861-3744-4707...@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> The way we greet each other was and still is an indication of past
> Chinese history of starvation and scarcity of food in Chinese society,
> i.e., "Have you eaten yet?"
>
> I don't know about you, but we don't ask that question anymore.
Come to Chinatown, USA. You'll hear it every day.
===========================================
The Chinese in USA don't represent most Chinese !
baldeagle
> "rst0wxyz" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
> The Chinese in USA don't represent most Chinese !
Go to Guangdong, Fujian and other southern provinces
in China, listen to the locals ...friends greet each other
with "have you eaten". To new acquaintences, they say:
"are you well". (meaning if you have eaten, you are
well)
This way of greeting is found, ...from Vietnam, Thailand
Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia...among Chinese
communities.
baldeagle
xxx
>
> > My grandpa taught me to behave according to
> > Confucius teaching before I could walk. It is our(Chinese)
> > cultural heritage. The Chinese need not read books
> > to learn his great teaching.
>
> Replace "great" with "old, outdated and useless".
>
>
xxx
I'll not try to defend Confucius political ideology
nor his philosophy....totally not suitable for
our world.
However, his social teaching on social contract
is deeply etched in the Chinese psyche.,it is
reflected in every aspect of the life of a Chinese...
from the way we eat, the way we marry, the way
we relate to family members and others, the way
we raise our kids,..... to the way we are buried.
Most overseas Chinese are not aware of the deep
influence Confucius had in our behaviour.
Take the use of chopstick for our meals. Although
chopsticks were in use in part of China for thousands
of years, it was Confucius who formalised the manner
of using chopsticks in one of his five classic cannons..
"Lijing" ("Classic of Rites"). Ever since Chinese have
been using the chopsticks for meals according to this
"lijing".
If you have time, read this classic and you'll be surprised
how our way of life is influenced by him.
In this sense, his teaching was great.
I will be quick to point out Confucius teaching is not
without flaws...In fact, it had a very serious flaw.
Chinese knowledge of the world and scientific progress
had stagnated for over 2500 years.
The person responsible for this stagnation,...Confucius.
He discouraged individuals to think for themselves...to
discover better ways of doing things.
He taught his students...the ways of the elders, tried
and tested were the best in the world. This unnatural
respects for the knowledge of the elders, teachers stopped
new discoveries...for over 2000 years.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<04f992f4-470b-45a2...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):
> In fact, it had a very serious flaw. Chinese knowledge of the world and
> scientific progress had stagnated for over 2500 years. The person responsible
> for this stagnation,...Confucius. He discouraged individuals to think for
> themselves.
Not him. You are mistaken.
baldeagle
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 19:34:59 +0800, baldeagle wrote
> (in article
>
> > In fact, it had a very serious flaw. Chinese knowledge of the world and
> > scientific progress had stagnated for over 2500 years. The person responsible
> > for this stagnation,...Confucius. He discouraged individuals to think for
> > themselves.
>
> Not him. You are mistaken.
>
>
about Confucius teaching.
puhk oz
Nonsense ! I met people from China and in China, they said "ni hao" or "zao
shang hao". Nobody say "have you eaten". Even in Singapore, I don't hear Chinese
asking that question any more. May be old people like you still do.
puhk oz
"baldeagle" <botak...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d566c252-c2fe-4bc6...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Nonsense ! I met people from China and in China, they said "ni hao" or "zao
baldeagle
> "baldeagle" <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message
The meaning of "ni hao" is..."are you good ?" Why are you good...
because you have eaten rice or mantou. The words have changed,
but they refer to the same thing.
puhk oz
LOL!
Are you good = have you eaten rice !
To old people like you, nothing to do but eat and waiting for the last day !
Yes, even westerner will ask,
have you taken your lunch, may be during lunch time.
baldeagle
>
> > The meaning of "ni hao" is..."are you good ?" Why are you good...
> > because you have eaten rice or mantou. The words have changed,
> > but they refer to the same thing.
>
> LOL!
> Are you good = have you eaten rice !
>
> To old people like you, nothing to do but eat and waiting for the last day !
>
Are you good = good = alread eaten rice or mantau,
having a full tummy.
As explained earlier, this is a cultural thing, born out
of extreme poverty in the past..centuries ago when
Chinese peasant's first concern was a full stomach.
> Yes, even westerner will ask,.....
You are wrong....
In Hawaii ... it is Aloha ( Hello, love, peace, )
In France.... it is "Bonjour" or "Salut" (hello)
In England ...it is Hi or Hello
In rural USA,... it is Howdy, or "Whassup"
In punk culture now... it is "Oioi"
In Israel...it is "Shalom" (peace)
In Indonesia or Malaysia ...it is "Apa Kabar" (what's news)
In Arab countries...it is "Assalamu alaikum" (peace
be upon you)
In Milan or Italy ...it is "Ciao"
You can see, the Chinese greeting is quite unique,.
it is not a hello, not love or not peace...it is to show concern
for your fellow man,...about a full stomach, about feeling
good (with full a belly)
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puhk oz
On May 14, 10:19 am, "puhk oz" <p...@oz.com> wrote:
>
> > > The meaning of "ni hao" is..."are you good ?" Why are you good...
> > > because you have eaten rice or mantou. The words have changed,
> > but they refer to the same thing.
> >
> > LOL!
> > Are you good = have you eaten rice !
>
> > To old people like you, nothing to do but eat and waiting for the last day !
>
> Are you good = good = alread eaten rice or mantau,
> having a full tummy.
> As explained earlier, this is a cultural thing, born out
> of extreme poverty in the past..centuries ago when
> Chinese peasant's first concern was a full stomach.
Today, Chinese are not just peasants anymore. You have not change your mindset
and look down on the Chinese and may be yourself !
> > Yes, even westerner will ask,.....have you taken your lunch, may be during
> > lunch time.
> You are wrong....
> In Hawaii ... it is Aloha ( Hello, love, peace, )
> In France.... it is "Bonjour" or "Salut" (hello)
> In England ...it is Hi or Hello
> In rural USA,... it is Howdy, or "Whassup"
> In punk culture now... it is "Oioi"
> In Israel...it is "Shalom" (peace)
> In Indonesia or Malaysia ...it is "Apa Kabar" (what's news)
> In Arab countries...it is "Assalamu alaikum" (peace be upon you)
> In Milan or Italy ...it is "Ciao"
don't show your stupidity !
> You can see, the Chinese greeting is quite unique,.
> it is not a hello, not love or not peace...it is to show concern
> for your fellow man,...about a full stomach, about feeling
> good (with full a belly)
may be in the last century, during the 80s, people still worry about their
stomach in China. In the 90s, people in China started asking " where have you
moved"? because of many housing redevelopment. In 21 century, people in China
started to ask "最近在哪发财？” and more recently：“最近去哪儿旅游了？” of
course, at the latest, the Chinese are keen to learn English, may be because of
Olympic, they started to use "hello" !
baldeagle
>
> don't show your stupidity !
>
A childish respond.
Like some one I killed file.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<f7a987be-1d80-4ccb...@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com>):
> Are you good = good = alread eaten rice or mantau, having a full tummy.
>
> As explained earlier, this is a cultural thing, born out of extreme poverty
> in the past..centuries ago when Chinese peasant's first concern was a full
> stomach.
So, I guess my Mom, who virtually always greets me with "Have you eaten?"
descended from starving Chinese peasants. LOL.
J.Venning
news:0001HW.C450B754...@news-east.alibis.com...
> So, I guess my Mom, who virtually always greets me with "Have you eaten?"
> descended from starving Chinese peasants. LOL.
>
rst0wxyz
> "baldeagle" <botakea...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message
>
> news:f7a987be-1d80-4ccb...@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On May 14, 10:19 am, "puhk oz" <p...@oz.com> wrote:
> > Are you good = good = alread eaten rice or mantau,
> > having a full tummy.
> > As explained earlier, this is a cultural thing, born out
> > of extreme poverty in the past..centuries ago when
> > Chinese peasant's first concern was a full stomach.
>
> Today, Chinese are not just peasants anymore.
No, only 65% are peasants.
> You have not change your mindset
But you have, with the wrong reason. You were born with a silver
spoon in your mouth, and nothing in your head.
> and look down on the Chinese and may be yourself !
No, we are speaking the truth from the past. You may not say that
anymore, but the truth is;
For centuries, Chinese people greeted each other with "Have you eaten
yet?" which was the indication that China was a land of hardship and
starvation.
>
> > You are wrong....
> > In Hawaii ... it is Aloha ( Hello, love, peace, )
> > In France.... it is "Bonjour" or "Salut" (hello)
> > In England ...it is Hi or Hello
> > In rural USA,... it is Howdy, or "Whassup"
> > In punk culture now... it is "Oioi"
> > In Israel...it is "Shalom" (peace)
> > In Indonesia or Malaysia ...it is "Apa Kabar" (what's news)
> > In Arab countries...it is "Assalamu alaikum" (peace be upon you)
> > In Milan or Italy ...it is "Ciao"
>
> don't show your stupidity !
You are showing your arrogance and refusing to acknowledge China's
past history of hardship and starvation.
>
> > You can see, the Chinese greeting is quite unique,.
> > it is not a hello, not love or not peace...it is to show concern
> > for your fellow man,...about a full stomach, about feeling
> > good (with full a belly)
>
> may be in the last century, during the 80s, people still worry about their
> stomach in China. In the 90s, people in China started asking " where have you
> moved"? because of many housing redevelopment. In 21 century, people in China
> started to ask "最近在哪发财？" and more recently："最近去哪儿旅游了？" of
> course, at the latest, the Chinese are keen to learn English, may be because of
> Olympic, they started to use "hello" !
Still, the past can not escape the present as it is part of our past.
No matter how hard you are trying to deny it, "have you eaten yet?"
was part of the Chinese past that we can not escape from. Today, we
still have many people who still greet each other with:
"Have you eaten yet?"
Jim Walsh
(in article
<f794cb44-32a5-4f52...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>):
> For centuries, Chinese people greeted each other with "Have you eaten yet?"
> which was the indication that China was a land of hardship and starvation.
So, please explain why that is invariably what my mother says every time I
see her?
[Your inability to respond is evidence.]
rst0wxyz
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:57:29 +0800, rst0wxyz wrote
> (in article
>
> > For centuries, Chinese people greeted each other with "Have you eaten yet?"
> > which was the indication that China was a land of hardship and starvation.
>
> So, please explain why that is invariably what my mother says every time I
> see her?
>
> [Your inability to respond is evidence.]
Hardship and starvation was not limited to China. It was a worldwide
problem. Perhaps, your mother may also grew up where food was not
taken for granted. She may have gone through a time where she didn't
know where the next meal was coming from.
Of course, America's youths eat too much, and do less. It's now a
health problem, not a starvation problem.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<40091faf-1e5e-4951...@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>):
Well, my Mom grew up in the USA. You have used the "Have you eaten?" argument
to show that China can not bear to have democracy, since it is full of
starving people (or people who remember starving),
Now apparently "Have you Eaten?" just means food not taken for granted where
she grew up.