Hi. Physical characteristic of Tamil race
harmony
tamil state has produced lot of highly accomplished smart people as korea
has.
"jaekim" <jki...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I am excited about Tamil influence in Korea, and I have a few questions.
>
> What is the physicla characteristic of Tamil race?
>
> My question is what's the physical characteristic of a person with
> Tamil origin?
>
> I can see some of Tamil people's picture on the internet, but I am
> curious about details and how actually a Tamil identify themselves.
>
> Specifically. How is Tamil physically different from other Dravidian
> races or other race in India?
>
> More specifically.
>
> 1. I belive the Tamil's hair is black right?
> Is the hair, thin or thick?
> Is it wavy?
>
> 2. Tamil's eye. Is it always double edged eye-lid?
>
> 3. Is Tamil always dolichocephaly?
> 4. Do you have any ancient status or painting that shows ancient
> Tamil's face?
> 5. I mean what physical characteristic make a Tamil distinguish
> between other Indian and a Tamil?
>
> And this is about the language.
>
> How do you count in Tamil language?
>
> like one, two, three, four, five...
>
> Also what is "King" in tamil language?
>
> What about "sister", "brother"?
>
> Sorry for too many questions.
>
> I am so much excited about the similarity between Korean and Tamil
language.
Reject Tamil Terrorism
Good article about Tamil Terrorism:
http://www.terrorismanswers.com/groups/tamiltigers.html
Picture of a Tamil serial Killer:
http://www.interpol.com/public/Wanted/Notices/Data/1994/54/1994_9054.asp
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Darette
> My question is what's the physical characteristic of a person with
> Tamil origin?
Usually short, fat and dark skinned with slim, fair exceptions who are
of mixed origin. Have negro features but less muscular. Tiny penis.
Big black nipples. Tamils are usually considered to be of lower caste.
> I can see some of Tamil people's picture on the internet, but I am
> curious about details and how actually a Tamil identify themselves.
Tamils are generally not comfortable with their skin colour. They like
to think of themselves as fair skinned. There is a huge market for
skin lightening products among Tamils. Very fat fair skinned women
(Eg: Jeyalalitha Jeyaram) are regarded as attractive. Personally, I
think dark skin is beautiful. It is their features and body shape that
make Tamils ugly. Dark skinned meditarranean caucasians (Eg: Sheetal
Malhar, Sangeeta Weeratunge)are very attractive.
> Specifically. How is Tamil physically different from other Dravidian
> races or other race in India?
>
> More specifically.
>
> 1. I belive the Tamil's hair is black right?
> Is the hair, thin or thick?
> Is it wavy?
Black. Thick. Curly.
> 2. Tamil's eye. Is it always double edged eye-lid?
Hmm...
> 3. Is Tamil always dolichocephaly?
Well...
> 4. Do you have any ancient status or painting that shows ancient
> Tamil's face?
Yeah. But in most cases Tamils are portrayed as fair skinned.
> 5. I mean what physical characteristic make a Tamil distinguish
> between other Indian and a Tamil?
Short, fat, dark, ugly.
> And this is about the language.
>
> How do you count in Tamil language?
> like one, two, three, four, five...
onru, irandu, moonru, naangu, aindhu, aaru, ezhu, ettu, onbadhu.
Tashkorghani
> Also what is "King" in tamil language?
Raj???
> What about "sister", "brother"?
Anni, Anna (pronounced Un-nee)
> I am so much excited about the similarity between Korean and Tamil language.
Is there any? How sad...
Darette, Esq.
..
karthika
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jaekim
> > Tamil's face?
>
> Yeah. But in most cases Tamils are portrayed as fair skinned.
Thank you very much.
So I guess Tamil is small numbered minority in southern india right?
It's very interesting that Unni is also same as Koreans.
Damn. Mother,Father,Sister is the same. Gosh...
I really would like to see ancient status of Tamil.
It looks like Tamil is in a war ?
Why are they giving out terrorist pictures and stuffs?
jaekim
around maybe 1-2 century.
My hope is that I can see something that is related to the sea, because
I think these Tamils reached Southern Korean through the sea.
thetruth
ethnic groups can claim connections. It is Dravidian gene that runs
through many South Indian people including Begalis, Malayalis, Temils,
Karanatks, Indonesians, Malaysians, Sinhalese, and so on. It is this
factor I would think that gives the intelligence to these group. No
wonder all brains of India comes from south. Having said this there is
no pure Dravidians today for you to get facial characteristic. For
example Sinhalese is a mix of Dravidian, Mongolian and Aryan blood.
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itsJOKER
know anything.
Darette? Tamils are lower "caste"? I see, I think you should stop
the bs in the forum and be a fucking real ass and do some work. I
don't know why you peeps bring something you have no clue to the net?
Have nothing better to do?
Just relax man, I just ran into google posts and read many of your
post. I don't appreciate much of what you have to say, it shows how
low you think and ones mind shows how low they are themself. So just
take it easy man.
l8r.
itsjoker
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Shishir Yerramilli
It is quite possible.Tamils have travelled as far as
Madagascar,Egypt to Vietnam in ancient times.They have even travelled
to China.It is quite possible they went to South Korea.
Darette
Tamils migrated to Ceylon in two ways. They've been coming here for
several centuries as invaders, mercenaries, workers etc. Their
original homeland is Southern India where people used to shit in the
streets and live under trees. British imperialists brought tens of
thousands of Tamils to the island in the 19th and the 20th century to
work as slaves in tea estates in the hill country.
The british oppressed the Sinhalese - original inhabitants in Sri
Lanka - in many ways. They stole our land and turned them into
plantations. The British taxed Sinhalese and used the revenue to fund
Tamil schools where a chosen fraction of the Tamils were educated. The
only English schools Sinhalese had were built by the American
missionaries and theosophists. Most top government positions were held
by Tamils.
Tamils now claim that their original homeland is Sri Lanka and the
Sinhalese must leave the country. They started a war against the
government of Sri Lanka in 1983 by brutally murdering 13 Sinhalese in
1983. The last Sinhalese student in the Sinhalese built Jaffna
University was decapitated and had his intestines dug out during the
July 1983 riots. It is estimated that about 200 Sinhalese and 250
Tamils died in 1983.
A Tamil guerilla organization called the Liberation Tigers of Tamil
Eelam (LTTE) have been carrying out terrorist attacks against the
people of Sri Lanka for over 20 years. The Tamil Tiger el supremo is
Vellupillai Murderen Prabhakaran, an uneducated ex-smuggler from a
fisherman family whose idol is Napoleon Bonaparte but the only thing
they have in common is height and the thirst for blood. They've not
only murdered Sinhalese and Muslims but also numerous Tamil leaders
and intellectuals opposed to the LTTE including the mayor of Jaffna,
MP Neelan Thiruchelvam etc. They've also assasinated a Prime Minister
of India, A President and several ministers of Sri Lanka. Tamil Tigers
have links to the Al Quida and Hizbolla terrorist organizations. It is
banned in SL, India, USA, Britain, Australia, Malaysia and partly in
Canada. A large number of Sri Lankan Tamil refugees live in Toronto
sucking out the welfair and engaging in international drug
trafficking, terrorism, gang fights, rape, prostitution, drive by
shooting etc. The Canadian opposition party Canadian Alliance is
strongly opposed to the Canadian government's empathy towards
terrorists like Saddam Hussain and the Tamil Tigers.
The people of Sri Lanka have had support from countries like USA,
Israel and India and people like Rupert Murdoch's international media
network, Stewart Bell's National Post, Senator Hillary Clinton, Lord
Avebury, Richard Armitage, and Stockwell Day, among others to fight
the Tamil Terrorism.
Darette, Esq.
..
jaekim
Maybe I am getting too deep, but
I guess Tamil came from Dravidian race, but
there language was somewhat different?
That's what I am curious about.
Why was the language different from other Dravidian?
jiffyspaceman
> .
>
> > My question is what's the physical characteristic of a person with
> > Tamil origin?
>
> Usually short, fat and dark skinned with slim, fair exceptions who are
> of mixed origin. Have negro features but less muscular. Tiny penis.
> Big black nipples. Tamils are usually considered to be of lower caste.
>
> > I can see some of Tamil people's picture on the internet, but I am
> > curious about details and how actually a Tamil identify themselves.
>
> Tamils are generally not comfortable with their skin colour. They like
> to think of themselves as fair skinned. There is a huge market for
> skin lightening products among Tamils. Very fat fair skinned women
> (Eg: Jeyalalitha Jeyaram) are regarded as attractive. Personally, I
> think dark skin is beautiful. It is their features and body shape that
> make Tamils ugly. Dark skinned meditarranean caucasians (Eg: Sheetal
> Malhar, Sangeeta Weeratunge)are very attractive.
>
>
> > Specifically. How is Tamil physically different from other Dravidian
> > races or other race in India?
They are smaller than the north indians.
Darker and a more narrow bone structure
> >
> > More specifically.
> >
> > 1. I belive the Tamil's hair is black right?
> > Is the hair, thin or thick?
> > Is it wavy?
>
> Black. Thick. Curly.
curly hair..a genetic similarity with the africans
>
> > 2. Tamil's eye. Is it always double edged eye-lid?
>
> Hmm...
>
> > 3. Is Tamil always dolichocephaly?
Perhaps..if i knew what that meant
>
> Well...
>
>
> > 4. Do you have any ancient status or painting that shows ancient
> > Tamil's face?
>
> Yeah. But in most cases Tamils are portrayed as fair skinned.
Possibly because of the north indian (aryan) mixing. Karthikas
pallavas are a good example. The nobility in south india were usually
portrayed as light skinned - a complex that the royalty had about
being considered 'regular' and black (which was possibly the case most
of the time)..lol..do you see many fair ppl in tamil nadu today?
> > 5. I mean what physical characteristic make a Tamil distinguish
> > between other Indian and a Tamil?
>
> Short, fat, dark, ugly.
possibly because the dravidians have an african connection dating back
to nubia (modern day ethiopia).
>
> > And this is about the language.
> >
> > How do you count in Tamil language?
>
> > like one, two, three, four, five...
>
> onru, irandu, moonru, naangu, aindhu, aaru, ezhu, ettu, onbadhu.
> Tashkorghani
>
> > Also what is "King" in tamil language?
>
> Raj???
>
> > What about "sister", "brother"?
>
> Anni, Anna (pronounced Un-nee)
>
>
> > I am so much excited about the similarity between Korean and Tamil language.
>
> Is there any? How sad...
Yeah. totally
>
> Darette, Esq.
>
>
> ..
jiffyspaceman
and possibly even the moon...
and in typical tamil fashion fucked everything in sight..(so that
their future half caste descendents- ie. karthika- can claim they own
the country!)
watch out south korea! the tamils want another homeland!
Shishir Yerramilli
Your mother at the brothel wants a larger %age of profits but it
aint gonna happen!If wishes were horses...
Raveendran
"Darette" <dar...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> .
>
> > My question is what's the physical characteristic of a person with
> > Tamil origin?
>
> Usually short, fat and dark skinned with slim, fair exceptions who are
> of mixed origin. Have negro features but less muscular. Tiny penis.
wow, you know details of the penis size, how many Tamil dicks
did you suck or still sucking ?
you are homosexual right ?
> Big black nipples. Tamils are usually considered to be of lower caste.
so caste is still very much alive in S.L
shame on you idiots
> onru, irandu, moonru, naangu, aindhu, aaru, ezhu, ettu, onbadhu.
> Tashkorghani
modaya, you are a "Gong bijja" or maybe "daara ponaya"
yes that's is closest I can describe you , born sycophant
keep on eating katusambol and karukal roti
Raveendran
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> The british oppressed the Sinhalese - original inhabitants in Sri
> Lanka - in many ways. They stole our land and turned them into
but time and again you repeated in a thread that Sinhalese people
are of aryan stock, exterminated Veddah the original inhabitant of
Sri Lanka.
Aryans are originaly from South Russia
<all the B.S deleted >
> Tamils now claim that their original homeland is Sri Lanka and the
> Sinhalese must leave the country. They started a war against the
> government of Sri Lanka in 1983 by brutally murdering 13 Sinhalese in
> 1983. The last Sinhalese student in the Sinhalese built Jaffna
why bluff turn and twist fact, Sinhalese politicians are the ones to be
blamed for fanning anti Tamil and started the"kill ,burn,loot"of the
Tamil people and their property
> banned in SL, India, USA, Britain, Australia, Malaysia and partly in
NO, LTTE is not banned in Malaysia , LTTE don't maintain a office
in Malaysia ,of how to ban a non existent organisation ?
> Darette, Esq.
yes darette you are conffered BA in LLS from university of Pidurutalagal
for you indepth research and contribution in Tamil studies
from now on you can be addresed as
Darette BA LLS
I will relay the message to Adm Samasekara of S.L Port Authority
the next time I meet him
.
Raveendran
> It looks like Tamil is in a war ?
between Tamils and Sinhalese
it is like the Korean and the Japanese
Korean still regards Japanese as invaders
I saw this huge statue of a Korean Admiral in Pusan
erected in remembrance the heroic battle fought against
the Japanese during the ancient time.
kamsa hamida
Kari Sinhalavan
> "Darette" <dar...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> > .
> >
> > > My question is what's the physical characteristic of a person with
> > > Tamil origin?
> >
> > Usually short, fat and dark skinned with slim, fair exceptions who are
> > of mixed origin. Have negro features but less muscular. Tiny penis.
>
> wow, you know details of the penis size, how many Tamil dicks
> did you suck or still sucking ?
> you are homosexual right ?
Who said that faggy Sinhala Buddhist arseholes stop sucking????
> > Big black nipples. Tamils are usually considered to be of lower caste.
>
> so caste is still very much alive in S.L
> shame on you idiots
Who said Buddha thamed this monkeys????
> > onru, irandu, moonru, naangu, aindhu, aaru, ezhu, ettu, onbadhu.
> > Tashkorghani
>
> modaya, you are a "Gong bijja" or maybe "daara ponaya"
> yes that's is closest I can describe you , born sycophant
There is no word for this monkeys!!!!
> keep on eating katusambol and karukal roti
This beggers don't have enough money to make Borudusambol and Borudukal roti!!!
hehehehehehehehehehe hooooooooooooooooo
Reject Tamil Terrorism
http://www.spur.asn.au/childwar.htm
If you scroll down on this page, you will see more pictures.
lp
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karthika
Then a KARAWA will go there from the home of Tyrrone Fernando with
Prabhakaran.
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karthika
laborer.
Read Mahavansa.. Tamil king Ellara ruled Rajarata for 44 years before
Christian era.
So, dont fart too much on history
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karthika
like South Indians? Most of the Sinhala speakers trace their ancstry to
South India and not to North!
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> Are you the Goebbles of the LTTE propagating rubbish for the mass
> murderer Fuckaran. Are you creating new super race in South Asia. This
> shithead has no idea what is meant by a race. Race connotes a physical
> features, dumbo not a language. Tamil is a language stupid. You LTTE
> terrorists created a new history for Sri Lankan Tamils. Now you are
> creating super race for Tamils in the line of Nazis.
> Race is based on the physical features of the human being. According
> to the physical features there are 5 main racial groups, whose
> physical features can be easily identified. They are Aryans,
> Mongolians, Semites, Negroids and Dravidians. All the others are
> subgroups which are combinations of these groups to a different
> degrees. Similar categoriatation were given by many recognized by many
> anthropologists and historians. You can see this in H.G.Well's Short
> History of the World. He has left Australoids in a separate category
> making six fundamental groups.
>
> If a fool like this one thinks race is a such a smaller group, then
> there will be hundreds of races in the world. Every ethnic group is a
> race. Is that what you meant nitwit? This idiot is racist not a
> student of races. No race today can be pinned down to a single
> country. Mongolians for example originated in Mongolia and spread to
> Russia in the North and Korea(these fools thinking Koreans are
> Dravidians), Japan, China, up to Indonesia and Malaysia in the South.
> Similarly other four races. You can see how the features merges when
> come to the borders of a two racial groups such as in Indonesians or
> Malaysians where Dravidian and Mongolian features merges; or in Egypt
> or Tunisia where Semitic and Negroid features merges. It is like
> dropping droplets of five colours into a plate of water and see how it
> spread. Only Australoids did not mix with other races(now they are mix
> with Europeans) due to the unique condition of the continent they
> inhabited. Not only humans even animals of Australia have unique
> features.
> Other point is language was a very late development of the human race.
> For example religions have contributed the evolution of the languages.
> For example Arabic made large contribution where the Islam is
> prevalent. Sanskrit and Pali made large contribution where the
> Buddhism and Hinduism were prevalent .
>
>
> "Prabhu Srinivas" <g_prabhu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "thetruth" <adde...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > There is no race called Tamil. It is Dravidian race to which many
> > > ethnic groups can claim connections.
> >
> > There is no race called Dravidian either. If you want to cite out-dated
> > theories of race then you *might* say that the scheduled tribes of Tamil
> > Nadu *might* belong to the Australoid race, though they have lots of
> > Caucasoid features.
> >
> > > It is Dravidian gene that runs
> > > through many South Indian people including Begalis, Malayalis, Temils,
> > > Karanatks, Indonesians, Malaysians, Sinhalese, and so on. It is this
> > > factor I would think that gives the intelligence to these group. No
> > > wonder all brains of India comes from south.
> >
> > Fart. Change your ID to thefart.
> >
> > Get lost,
> > Prabhu.
thetruth
That is what I am telling. Sinhalese have Dravidian blood, I think we
have more Dravidian blood than any other racial. All South Indian
races have mixed genes. The reason is unlike other races Where
Dravidian race originated cannot be traced exactly, it is of course in
South Asia. Because there are no evidence for early human inhabitation
in southern part of India. I am not sure where the Ramapithacus or
Shivapithacus skulls were found.
jiffyspaceman
> like South Indians? Most of the Sinhala speakers trace their ancstry to
> South India and not to North!
You are a moron...
On the one hand you want to assert the pallavas were 'true aryans' (so
as to claim that you too are aryan) but on the other you infer that
most sri lankans are really 'dravidians' in disguise?!
First of all the 'Dravidians' were by no means 'pure' by the time they
migrate to sri lanka somewhere in 3rd century BC (De Silva 1975). What
you have in south india at this time is a highly mixed ethnic
population - ie. the 'aryanisation' of culture, language and physical
appearance. We can refer/coin such terms as the 'Dravidian influence',
'Dravidian art' , but they are really anthropological terms - not
biological ones (duh?!)
>How did then your Sinhala RACE come with a language while 90%
Sinhalese look
>like South Indians?
The reason why most sinhalese are 'dark' skinned is because they mixed
with two dark species of humans - south indian migrants and also the
native hela people of this land. In fact the mixing with the vaddas
(*a modern term used to classify half-caste balangoda man) is more
prominent than many would like to give it credit. We not only
inter-bred with these people but also adopted some of their customs
and words.
Here is a useful article about the origins of the sinhalese
language(below). Some have tried to show that since tamil and sinhala
were both heavily influenced by the parent Grantha script, the two are
synonomous - the following article is a very strong affirmation of the
basic fallacy of such an argument:
"Sinhalese language belongs to the Indo-Aryan group of languages. The
Indo-Aryan group consists of languages like Bengali, Gujarati,
Marathi, Hindi, Punjabi and Maldivian. These languages share common
characteristics and the Indo-Aryan language which is closest to
Sinhala is "Divehi" the language of the Maldive Islands, which is
written in a script called "Tana". Tana represents a mixture of both
Indic and Semitic traditions. 船ivehi' is considered as an offshoot or
a sister language of Sinhala.
As modern European languages trace their ancestry to Greek and Latin,
Sinhalese and other Indo-Aryan languages trace their origins to
Sanskrit.
Sinhalese, which developed as an island language, has some unique
features which are not known in any other Indo-Aryan language. This
uniqueness of Sinhala is due to its exposure to other language
families of the region such as Dravidian and Malayo-Polynesian. The
Tamil language, which belongs to the Dravidian group has influenced
the structure and vocabulary of Sinhalese to such an extent that some
scholars were erroneously led to believe that Sinhalese belonged to
the Dravidian group of languages.
There are many features in Sinhala, particularly in the sound system,
which are not found in the neighbouring Aryan or Dravidian languages.
These elements are said to have crept in from African or Polynesian
languages. The Sinhala language also contains lexical borrowings from
Malay, Portuguese, Dutch and English.
Words have evolved with time, passing through various phases before
assuming their present form. Sinhala is no exception. That the Sinhala
language is an Aryan one and is related to other Indo-Aryan speeches
such as Hindi and Bengali is generally well known. Less known,
however, is the fact that Sinhala is distantly related to other major
languages such as German, French, English, Russian, Persian and
Lithuanian. The fact is that Sinhala is not only a member of the Aryan
group of languages, but also of a larger linguistic group, the
Indo-European family, which includes all the major languages of
Europe, Iran and Southern Asia. The parent indo-European speech from
which all these languages derive, was evidently spoken somewhere in
Europe, probably Southern Russia, over 5000 years ago.
Linguistic research pioneered by nineteenth century German
Philologists such as Franz Bopp and August Schleicher has made it
possible to connect Sinhala words to words occurring in European,
Iranian and North Indian languages. Such resemblances are however not
very apparent due to the sound or phonetic changes they have been
subjected to throughout the centuries. Nevertheless, many forms could
be shown to be connected.
For instance, the Sinhala word hata (seven) could clearly be shown to
be related to the Hindi sat, Sanskrit sapta, Greek hepta, Latin
septem, French sept and Persian haft.
Similarly, Sinhala du (daughter) could be connected to the Bengali
duhita, Sanskrit duhitr, Gothic dauhtar, Persian dokhtar, Dutch
dochter and Russian doch.
Sinhala nahaya (nose) could likewise be shown to be related to the
Sanskrit nasa, Latin nasus, Russian nos, German nase and Lithuanian
nosis.
Closest resemblance
However, it is to Sanskrit, Pali and other modern-day Aryan speeches
such as Hindi and Bengali, that Sinhala shows the closest resemblance.
This corroborates the story related in the Sinhalese chronicle, the
Mahavamsa (5th century A.C.) which traces the origin of the Vijayan or
early Sinhalese settlers to the Lala country (West Bengal).
Sinhala has evolved in stages. We have the old Indo-Aryan stage
largely represented by the Sanskrit speech introduced by the Aryan
invaders of India around 2800-2500 B.C. Then we have the later
Middle-Indo-Aryan or Prakritic stage, largely represented by Pali, the
language of the Buddhist scriptures. Thus, Sanskrit and Pali forms may
generally be taken as furnishing the early- or proto-types of modern
Sinhala forms. These Sinhala forms have not evolved arbitrarily, but
have come about as a result of phonetic changes through specific laws.
For instance, the sound r is a common feature in Sanskrit words. Not
so in Prakrit which had a tendency to eliminate this sound. The
Prakrit forms in turn possessed a high proportion of double
consonants, a feature that was eliminated in Sinhala.
Thus:
Sanskrit:
marga
charma
Pali:
magga
chamma
Sinhala:
maga (path)
hama (skin)
Another major feature of Sinhala is the de-aspiration of the aspirated
consonants of Old-and Middle-Indo-Aryan.
Thus:
Sanskrit:
garbha
sthana
Pali:
gabbha
thana
Sinhala:
geba (womb)
tena (place)
Yet another salient feature is the dropping of the nasals of Old-and
Middle-Indo-Aryan.
Thus:
Sanskrit:
pamshu
granthi
Pali:
pamsu
ganthi
Sinhala:
pas (soil)
geta (knot)
The Sanskritic cluster -ksh- became -chch- in Prakrit which in turn
was changed to s in Sinhala. Thus: Sanskrit Pali Sinhala akshi achchi
esa (eye) kukshi kuchchi kusa (womb)
The change of ch to s is an extremely common one. The sibilant
obtained thus has often been aspirated in the modern language as is
borne out by Sinhala words such as handa 'moon' which has evolved from
sanda (P.chanda, Skt.chandra) and hatara 'four' which has developed
from satara (P.chattaro, Skt.chatvarah).
As for those Sinhala words which have developed from Old- and
Middle-Indo Aryan forms containing a sibilant, we find that these too
have undergone aspiration in their passage to Sinhala.
Thus:
Sanskrit:
svami
shashti
Pali:
sami
satthi
Sinhala:
himi (master)
heta (sixty)
Yet others have been de-aspirated in modern day speech as is borne out
by Sinhala ira 'sun' from hira (P.suriya, Skt.surya) and inguru
'ginger' from hinguru (P.singivera, Skt.shrngavera). The Sanskritic
cluster -dy- became -jj- in Prakrit which in turn was changed to -d-
in Sinhala.
Thus:
Sanskrit:
adya
vaidya
Pali:
ajja
vejja
Sinhala:
ada (today)
veda (physician)
The change of j to d is a widespread one as is borne out by such
common words as diva 'tongue' (P.jivha, Skt.jihva) and della 'flame'
(P.jalita, Skt.jvalita).
Yet another notable phonetic change in Sinhala is the softening of the
Old-and Middle-Indo-Aryan p to v in cases where the p is found to
occur between vowels.
Thus:
Sanskrit:
dvipa
dvipin
Pali:
dipa
dipin
Sinhala:
duva (island)
diviya (leopard)
Among the less common phonetic changes that have taken place in
Sinhala may be cited the change g to v as borne out by the form hivala
'jackal' (P.sigala, Skt.shrgala) and that of k to v as borne out by
the form danduvama 'punishment' (P.danda-kamma, Skt.danda-karma).
Phonetic change
What is however particularly interesting is the fact that place-names
and personal names have also been subject to phonetic change. For
instance, we find Situlpavuva vihara in the south being described as
chitalapavata vihara in inscriptions in situ. The site which is
supposed to have been built by King Kakavanna Tissa in the 2nd century
B.C is called Chittalapabbata in the Pali Mahawamsa.
As for personal names, an interesting example is seen in the
Kumbukveva Pillar inscription of the 10th century. The inscription
records a proclamation to the effect that the female attendants of a
foot through vessel (pen mindiyan) in the village shall be recruited
from among the descendants of the lineage of one Doti (Doti himisura
nuvata parapuren).
According to the Mahavamsa, Jotiya was a Nigantha or Jaina monk who
lived in Anuradhapura around the 4th century B.C. and for whom King
Pandukabhaya built a house near the lower cemetery. An application of
the phonetic laws that have characterised the evolution of Sinhala
will easily enable us to identify this Doti with the Jotiya of the
Mahavamsa.
The appellation nuvata used to describe this personage is in fact the
Sinhala equivalant of the Pali nigantha. These few examples will
suffice to show the profound influence phonetic change has exerted on
the evolution of Sinhala throughout the ages."
courtesy of www.lankalibrary.com
Prabhu Srinivas
> First of all the 'Dravidians' were by no means 'pure' by the time they
> migrate to sri lanka somewhere in 3rd century BC (De Silva 1975). What
> you have in south india at this time is a highly mixed ethnic
> population - ie. the 'aryanisation' of culture, language and physical
> appearance. We can refer/coin such terms as the 'Dravidian influence',
> 'Dravidian art' , but they are really anthropological terms - not
> biological ones (duh?!)
Not sure about the Aryanisation of any culture... We are assuming that
there were two distinct cultures - one Aryan and one Dravidian. It is
really difficult to pinpoint any earth-shattering cultural difference
between the North (Aryan) and South (Dravidian) apart from the usual
worship of "Madurai Veeran", glorification of Ravana (who was a Brahmin
and hence an Aryan) etc. Can you give some kind of documentary evidence?
Why I am asking this is because many Tamil bigots claim that their
culture and literature pre-dates the Vedic era. However, the earliest
of the Tamil works (the Tolkappiyam) is supposed to be composed only in
4th. century AC. Similarly, the greatest work in Tamil, the Thirukkural,
was written by a Brahmin. That's why you will find that the midriff is
always covered in his statues - the rabid anti-Brahmins don't want the
new generations to know that he was a Brahmin!
Love,
Prabhu.
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karthika
karthika
Language is not a Chractor of a RACE.
You have showed many examples of Sanskrit and Pali connections. That is also
right.
But Karawa like you cannot claim that you are an Aryan.
Negro or Black English speakers of USA or UK or others cannot claim ancestry
in England.
Guyanese Indians too now speak English only.
If Sinhalese claim that they aryans because of Sinhala language, that is
wrong and really DRAVIDIANS in disguise.
Your KARAWAS a good example for your faulty claims.
At the same time ALL the Tamil speakers are not Dravidians.
Pallavas are more pure than Sinhala speaking KARAWAS to call themselves
Aryans.
You dont know TAMIL so better stop cut and paste stories of others who are
too idiots and know nothing of Tamil or Malayalam.
Further nearly half of the words in Tamil language are Sanskrit and Pali.
What are you going to do?
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> Indic and Semitic traditions. 'Divehi' is considered as an offshoot or
karthika
Can you tell how that Valluva Brahmans became PARAYAS?
Coup within Brahmanas?
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jiffyspaceman
I guess what i am trying to say here is that the first great
civilisations of india occurred up in the north of the country - and
gradually incorporated the southerly reaches as well. The great
'dravidian' empires are a sort of by-product of the north indian
cultures... (ie. they occur much later in history)
for instance the pallava monarchs apparently did not speak tamil - of
course the people they ruled were tamils (as in they spoke tamil).
Most of the Pallava that came to sri lanka were also tamil speakers
(or speakers of an ancient form of tamil). [Furthermore] they say
vedic caste system also came from the north?
I'm interested in finding out about the alternate theory (ie. "no such
thing as aryan/dravidian) for which there is scare online material.
Perhaps you can explain it to me?
jiffyspaceman
> Ado Modaya!
>
> Language is not a Chractor of a RACE.
This would be true if sinhalese was a widely spoken language ie.french
or english. But in sri lanka (or the world for that matter) sinhalese
speakers are rare and by and large from sri lanka. In fact most
sinhalese speakers have sinhalese speaking parents. I'm not a first
generation sinhalese - perhaps you find this simple concept difficult
to understand?
If you are more sinhalese than me, why do u speak tamil? Tamils have
been here for a long time - they have their own customs - but these
are not sinhalese.
> You have showed many examples of Sanskrit and Pali connections. That is also
> right.
>
> But Karawa like you cannot claim that you are an Aryan.
> Negro or Black English speakers of USA or UK or others cannot claim ancestry
> in England.
I see what you're trying to say here...(btw fukwit I ain't a karava)
"if the Karava came to sri lanka in the 1400s - then they are somewhat
similar to the slaves that were brought over from africa during the
1600s by the english"
i imagine this is what you are trying to say?
Alas..
1.The Karava were not brought over as slaves
2.The karava had no difficulty assimilating into sinhalese culture
3.The karava featured in ancient as well as post-medieval sri lanka
4.They have been fighting wars in Sri lanka for much of that time
5.They were not segregated in a discriminatory manner expect during
the kandyan era - even here we have some exceptions to the rule
btw... do negroes and english ppl look the same?
....do they share a similar bloodline?
....do they speak similar languages?
Can you tell the diference between a karava and a sinhalese person?
> Guyanese Indians too now speak English only.
>
> If Sinhalese claim that they aryans because of Sinhala language, that is
> wrong and really DRAVIDIANS in disguise.
>
> Your KARAWAS a good example for your faulty claims.
>
> At the same time ALL the Tamil speakers are not Dravidians.
Ah!- but as i've told you before there's no such thing as a 'pure'
dravidian (or a 'pure' aryan for that matter) - in fact some would say
that it never existed in the first place! Tamil is a branch of the
dravidian languages basin -if you speak tamil you are a 'dravidian' by
virtue of your native tongue - because the term is in fact used today
to refer to a specific group of languages rather than a physical
'race' as such. ie. the aryan languages incorporate iranian, hindi,
and even german...
are you going to tell me that sri lankans look like Germans?
> Pallavas are more pure than Sinhala speaking KARAWAS to call themselves
> Aryans.
If you subscribe to the Aryan/dravidian theory then what you are
really talking about is the introduction and integration of foreign
physical traits amongst the native *dravidian population(native?). But
you do not agree with this theory do you? You would have it that the
aryans never mixed...
This is like trying to argue that all north indians are fair skinned
(or that all south indians are dark skinned) - there are exceptions in
both cases and one could argue there always have been (especially if
you don't believe- as some do- in this aryan/dravidian theory).
Likewise there is no physical distinction between the karava and
people you term 'real sinhalese'. I will pose to you this simple
question then..
what distinguished the pallavas from the people they ruled? [was there
a difference?]
> You dont know TAMIL so better stop cut and paste stories of others who are
> too idiots and know nothing of Tamil or Malayalam.
>
> Further nearly half of the words in Tamil language are Sanskrit and Pali.
> What are you going to do?
I will simply refer you to the previous article i posted.
A T
1) Dravidians are not negritos. All people who call the south indians
dravidians because of negrito characters are wrong. The original Harrappan
civilisation is believed to be related to the Sumerian civilisation, which
makes them semitic. If you have seen the bust of the bearded man from your
textbooks, you will easily see that he is not really a negroid figure. In
fact there were negritos/australoids(related to the australian abhoriginese)
all over India, and these formed the lower rungs of society both in
Dravidian and in Aryan civilisation.
If there is any validity to the claim that black=dravidian, it is only
insofar as the Dravidians are not known to have developed a caste system
that prohibited interbreeding.
Secondly, one cannot judge 'aryanness' by skin colour alone. No white
skinned race could survive in the tropics without modification. So clearly,
there were physiological changes.
Thirdly, why would one suppose that a people who speak an Aryan language,
and have been known to speak it for ever, are non-aryan? The use of colonial
languages is a completely different issue. I am quite ready to believe that
the srilankans have quite a bit of Aryan blood.
-Timur
Prabhu Srinivas
> Vallauvar is a low caste in Tamil Nadu.
>
> Can you tell how that Valluva Brahmans became PARAYAS?
Sorry mate but you are wrong. Thiruvalluvar was a Brahmin.
Prabhu Srinivas
> I guess what i am trying to say here is that the first great
> civilisations of india occurred up in the north of the country - and
> gradually incorporated the southerly reaches as well. The great
> 'dravidian' empires are a sort of by-product of the north indian
> cultures... (ie. they occur much later in history)
That is true. There seems to be no BC history of South India.
> I'm interested in finding out about the alternate theory (ie. "no such
> thing as aryan/dravidian) for which there is scare online material.
>
> Perhaps you can explain it to me?
Nope, I'm not saying there's *no* such thing as Aryan / Dravidian, and
I'm not repudiating the AIT here. However, there might not have been
such a deep divide - only the advent of Periyar seems to have created
this mindset in Tamilians. As for proof, I already told you that there
is little in terms of differences is traditions between North and
South India.
Love,
Prabhu.
jiffyspaceman
> Hello I would like to clear up a few points.
> 1) Dravidians are not negritos. All people who call the south indians
> dravidians because of negrito characters are wrong. The original Harrappan
> civilisation is believed to be related to the Sumerian civilisation, which
> makes them semitic. If you have seen the bust of the bearded man from your
> textbooks, you will easily see that he is not really a negroid figure. In
> fact there were negritos/australoids(related to the australian abhoriginese)
> all over India, and these formed the lower rungs of society both in
> Dravidian and in Aryan civilisation.
The Suddras - a non-Aryan servile class (the Dasas of the Rig-Veda)
the remnant of the aboriginal tribes.
very true comrade
> If there is any validity to the claim that black=dravidian, it is only
> insofar as the Dravidians are not known to have developed a caste system
> that prohibited interbreeding.
> Secondly, one cannot judge 'aryanness' by skin colour alone. No white
> skinned race could survive in the tropics without modification. So clearly,
> there were physiological changes.
Indeed! The Sinhalese people also mixed with the ancient aboriginal
tribes of sri lanka - hence why it is we tend to be somewhat smaller
and stockier than our indian counterparts (this in itself is a gross
generalisation of course). When I use the term 'descended' I take it
to mean dominant culture or tribe. Hence if I said..
"the sinhalese descended from the Aryans"
..[then esentially] I'm not disregarding the intermingling which
happened (later) with 'other' tribal groups (ie. those from south
India). In fact I'm not even disregarding the possibility that our own
(*sinhalese) culture is primarily derived from these 'others'. What I
am disregarding, on the other hand, is the blatent attempt by some in
the NG to warp history in order to facillitate 'false ideas' about
ethnicity (*which is a social group consisting of many different
tribes), caste (*which in sri lanka was moderated by Buddhism and
exacerbated by Hinduism) and patriotism (*which is largely unrelated
to both ethnicity and caste).
*Though one could argue a case for why Sri Lankan Tamils are
'switch-hitters'!
> Thirdly, why would one suppose that a people who speak an Aryan language,
> and have been known to speak it for ever, are non-aryan? The use of colonial
> languages is a completely different issue. I am quite ready to believe that
> the srilankans have quite a bit of Aryan blood.
> -Timur
Aye! So do i
- now try convincing Karthika (resident fruitcake @soc.sri-lanka)
Balangodaya
jiffyspaceman
> As for proof, I already told you that there
> is little in terms of differences is traditions between North and
> South India.
Agreed comrade. I hope karthika is reading this!
cheers
Balangodaya
> Love,
> Prabhu.
karthika
Are you fooling yourself?
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different from the so called ARYANS of North India.
Then how can you continue your SINHALA ARYAN theory while talk against
TAMIL?
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karthika
I know many familes in Chilaw-Puttalam are. Parents speak Tamil and Children
speak Sinhala but they claim that they are TAMIL speaking Sinhalese. I
This kind of CHANGING or in your words -Switch Hitting- is easy because of
the CHRISTIANITY.
Your troble is you never met or talked to a TAMIL family.
KARAWAS are still unable to convonce others as SINHALESE. That is why
KARAWAS cookup stories of the so called KAURAWA stories in order to claim
MORE N/Indian connection over other Sinhalese.
If they are not having any difference with other Sinhalese, there is no
reason to cookup all the stories and make false claims.
Now you must know that your SINHALA ARYAN theory is a flop.
I am not claiming any puritan theories like you. You, at first, cried that
Tamils are very much different from Sinhalese.
Now you know both parties have a language difference only.
karthika
From where the Sinhalese came to Sri lanka?
Can you tell that info?
Further, you rotten talks on TAMIL is now at the end!
Premkumar Natarajan
Premkumar Natarajan
Well if the conversation goes in this direction among Internet Age Indians..- stooping too far below to discuss things
about system.
Claiming superiority" is no good at any cost.. if someone claims superiority .. there are much more superior races in
the world than them .. See the JEWS and learn from them.. the most brilliant race the world has seen!
Rather than chanting who is superior .. and what caste Thiruvaluvar belongs.. just start creating vedas .. and
thirukural.. [you are doing no good to the society ]
I sincerely appologize for this sermon.. I am not eligible to give this .. but I feel sad to see the state of Indians on
the
internet!!
God please save India.. may be only catastrophie could unite people I guess.. as the wickedness and castism increases..
who knows .. it may be better for a nuclear bomb to ____ _____ _____. That people may be purged of thoughts of
"Bhramin" "paraya" "Hindi" "Telugu" "Tamil" "Kanada" "Alamati" "Cauvery" "Aryan" "Dravidian".. "Hindu"
"Muslim" "Christian" ...
Please be vigilant to nip these immature-talks. It does not portray you in any good light.
If your caste is superior let your deeds tell it..
If your cast is intelligent .. let your deeds tell it.. overtake everyone in the world and others will say you are
superior..
Juews make the highest number (>50%) of nobel laurate list!
If you still continue to talk about superiority .. may be you are sowing seeds for disintegration. May be u want to show
the world.. about HOW USSR can become RUSSIA?!
karthika
and other places?
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