Alleged falsification of visa application by Igor Chudov, contractor to Wiltel
Josh McCormick
Rarely in the decade+ that I have spent online have I seen such an
outrageous attack on the character and integrity of an individual. The
very method by which you attack his character lends disbelief towards
your fervent claims.
Since you (quite inappropriately) cross-posted this _utter filth_ to
ok.general, I must say that Igor has shown to be a person of good
character in this newsgroup. His postings contrast sharply with that of
yours.
: Recently Igor Chudov, a proven and notorious message forger on the
: Internet...
I looked back on the message that you had sent (from a different email
address) to postmaster regarding this "message forging". I find no
evidence to support your claims, and in fact, quite the contrary. He
appears to have posted with quite legal usernames that he has full
authorization to use. There is nothing "patently specious" as you had
falsely claimed in your electronic mail.
: This article alleges that Chudov is a pathological liar...
I would certainly dispute that claim. I have found Igor to be quite
credible and truthful in his dealings with myself and others.
: Furthermore, Chudov's two employers (Resource Solutions International,
: RSI, a third-rate body shop, and Wiltel) have been duly notified of
: this allegation, in particular, to protect Wiltel from any potential
: INS violations as a result of Chudov's alleged deception.
Even if your allegations were 100% on target, I find your behavior in this
matter quite outrageous and inappropriate. And to dig into one's personal
and professional life because of a USENET vendetta is going way too far.
: This post alerts readers to the fact that Chudov has been involved
: with violent, anti-American activities, such as posting violently
: obscene articles degrading the United States with statements which
: translated mean "I hate this country". [See soc.culture.soviet, 3 Feb
: 1995, Message-ID <3gua53$q...@iii1.iii.net>, Subject: O.J. Simpson
: [Russian obscenity in capital letters deleted]!!!!!.]
I couldn't help but to notice that your quoted message is quite dated in
USENET terms. This, of course, makes independent verification of your
claims very difficult. The lack of a recent (or multiple) examples would
fail to support your claim of "...violent, anti-American activities", even
if a USENET message would be considered such. Furthermore, I think if
someone was so bent on digging a hint of dirt on someone, they might not
only find them to be violently anti-American, but a person who condones
child abuse, not washing their hands before eating, and actually being the
grinch who stole Christmas.
: America is still the land of opportunity for those who are honest, law
: abiding, and do not promote violence, discord, and confusion.
: God bless America.
A wonderful (yet somehow ironic) closing statement. But flag waiving and
and a patriotic fervor festival does not add any credibility to your claims.
I am quite disgusted.
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Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
master's degree from the Computer Science Faculty at Moscow State
University in Russia.
This article alleges that Chudov is a pathological liar and, further,
that Chudov willfully falsified a government document, his H1B visa
application, in order to gain entry to and work status in the United
States of America.
This allegation, with supporting documentation, has been duly
submitted to the appropriate INS unit for processing.
Furthermore, Chudov's two employers (Resource Solutions International,
RSI, a third-rate body shop, and Wiltel) have been duly notified of
this allegation, in particular, to protect Wiltel from any potential
INS violations as a result of Chudov's alleged deception.
It is also highly likely, in this writer's opinion, that Chudov's
immediate employer, RSI, was aware of Chudov's deception and acted as
a co-conspirator and accomplice in aiding, abetting, and promoting
Chudov's deception for monetary gain by placing Chudov in a contract
position at Wiltel.
This post alerts readers to the fact that Chudov has been involved
with violent, anti-American activities, such as posting violently
obscene articles degrading the United States with statements which
translated mean "I hate this country". [See soc.culture.soviet, 3 Feb
1995, Message-ID <3gua53$q...@iii1.iii.net>, Subject: O.J. Simpson
[Russian obscenity in capital letters deleted]!!!!!.]
This post also alerts readers to the fact that Chudov has admitted to
being on welfare ("I used welfare about a week before I found a job")
with a keen interest in welfare fraud ("the problems of welfare fraud
have always interested me nearly as much as they interest the readers
of soc.culture.polish"), quoted from "Re: Clinton and Zhirinovsky
Alert to the world", 15 Jan 1995, Message-ID:<3fcg4n$f...@iii1.iii.net>,
posted to soc.culture.soviet, soc.culture.german, soc.culture.polish.
I fervently hope that Igor Chudov is duly deported from, and barred
from subsequent entry into, the United States.
America is still the land of opportunity for those who are honest, law
abiding, and do not promote violence, discord, and confusion.
God bless America.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Colin James III, Principal Scientist cja...@cec-services.com
CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO 80215-1502 USA
Voice: 303.231.9437; Facsimile: .231.9438; Data: .231.9434
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Dmitrii Manin
In article <4b2a0i$1...@natasha.rmii.com> cja...@rmii.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) writes:
o pathological liar
When I read the words "pathological liar", I reach for my
pist^H^H^H^Hkill-file.
--
- M
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Ne Spor' s Predsedatelem Komissii
Nu, vot i ja stolknulsya s makaroninoi --
Toj samoj, na sibirskom poligone...
(Tak zvali generala, s provoronennoi
Kar'eroj, utonuvshej v samogone.)
A. I.Tsaregorodtsev
When I read article written by Colin James III I became frighted a bit.
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd) is communist, may be he does not know
about this himself, but he uses communist methods to harrase people.
You put everything in order, thank a lot.
Alex
Alex Tsaregorodtsev
>a new victim (Colin James) and is using his name (and account)
>to commit forgeries and harrasment.
In this case I would like to take my words back.
I mean I don't understand you folk! You are very very serious.
Sometimes I receive mail that I'm totally crazy or even better...
But my only aim is to entertain people
and all my articles were written at least after one bottle of beer,
Alex
Folk, take it easy
Jim Glover
[a lot of good commentary about the quality of the post attacking Igor]
I just wanted to add my 2 cents' worth to Josh's comments:
: : Furthermore, Chudov's two employers (Resource Solutions International,
: : RSI, a third-rate body shop, and Wiltel) have been duly notified of
: : this allegation, in particular, to protect Wiltel from any potential
: : INS violations as a result of Chudov's alleged deception.
: Even if your allegations were 100% on target, I find your behavior in this
: matter quite outrageous and inappropriate. And to dig into one's personal
: and professional life because of a USENET vendetta is going way too far.
Well said, Josh. Also... I think we can note the description of RSI as
"a third-rate body shop" and have legitimate suspicions that the entire
post was created as a series of similar global put-downs, designed to be
hard to disprove (or prove).
Never before have I witnessed anything with clearer earmarks of vendetta.
--Jim
Mikhail Teterin
ts...@slip.technet.sg (A. I.Tsaregorodtsev) writes:
>
>Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd) is communist, may be he does not know
>about this himself, but he uses communist methods to harrase people.
Communist? Do not know. I think, his account was hacked...
I sent him an e-mail with the question about his recent post.
He replied in mail-robot style, that he "decided to stop reading
his electronic mail", and wants to receive regular correspondece.
Then, a few minutes later, e-mail from another location came in
(but with "Reply-To:" header pointing to C. James). In that mes-
sage there was crap accusing yet another person (who I do not even
know) in lies.
I'm affraid, that a well known Usenet forger Dmitry Vulis found
a new victim (Colin James) and is using his name (and account)
to commit forgeries and harrasment.
-mi
P.S. I've already notified postm...@rmii.com about an apparent
hacking of one of his accounts.
--
Kozache, kozache. Zhittja tvoe sobache...
Rostyk Lewyckyj
What useful purpose does it purport to serve?
What are you so proud of? Your vindictiveness?
Gene Solloway
jmc...@galaxy.galstar.com (Josh McCormick) wrote:
>Dear cjames:
>
>Rarely in the decade+ that I have spent online have I seen such an
>outrageous attack on the character and integrity of an individual. The
>very method by which you attack his character lends disbelief towards
>your fervent claims.
>
This type of posting may point to a decidely dangerous though unsavory
practise which harms the value of the usenet forum.
What does one do? Is this a new type of McCarthyism? Why make grandiose
accusations in a forum where ideas are the currency of value, not the history
of the individual suggesting the ideas.
If the poster had a valid accusation, surely private email would accomplish
the desired effect. Placing such claims in the usenet is bad taste and only
brings suspicion to the claims in my mind.
If I were Igor I'd definitely ignore this forum as a place to respond. If
it's a spurious claim, I'd see a lawyer! If it's not, I wouldn't respond
here. In either case, I don't expect to here any more about it.
Gene Solloway
cja...@rmii.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) wrote:
>Recently Igor Chudov, a proven and notorious message forger on the
>Internet, has advertized that he has an advanced, post graduate,
>master's degree from the Computer Science Faculty at Moscow State
>University in Russia.
dragon_fly
Alex Tsaregorodtsev <ts...@slip.technet.sg> wrote:
>>I'm affraid, that a well known Usenet forger Dmitry Vulis found
>>a new victim (Colin James) and is using his name (and account)
>>to commit forgeries and harrasment.
>
>I mean I don't understand you folk! You are very very serious.
>
>Sometimes I receive mail that I'm totally crazy or even better...
>
>But my only aim is to entertain people
I'm afraid you are mediocre even as a clown.
In a row of local clowns you are just pathetic follower
after other purebred Sovoks like "fraer" or "Mazin".
Cordially,
Dragon
P.S. Save the Earth - kill a Sovok
Jim Glover
: psy...@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Jim Glover) wrote:
: >Well said, Josh. Also... I think we can note the description of RSI as
: >"a third-rate body shop" and have legitimate suspicions that the entire
: >post was created as a series of similar global put-downs, designed to be
: >hard to disprove (or prove).
: Just in contrary: the main allegations is very easy to disprove.
: All statements about Igor's visa status are incorrect:
: He never had H1B visa and hence had no need to submit any degree information
: (either true or false) to INS.
Ah...I see! So the whole thing was even more empty than was apparent
from a first reading. I'm glad to hear that. (but not surprised)
--Jim
Eugene *fraer*
>Well said, Josh. Also... I think we can note the description of RSI as
>"a third-rate body shop" and have legitimate suspicions that the entire
>post was created as a series of similar global put-downs, designed to be
>hard to disprove (or prove).
Just in contrary: the main allegations is very easy to disprove.
All statements about Igor's visa status are incorrect:
He never had H1B visa and hence had no need to submit any degree information
(either true or false) to INS.
DISCLAIMER: Written above expresses opinions of the fraer only,
and even other fraers would not agree with this.
A. I.Tsaregorodtsev
I wanted to send you private mail, and even
composed message, but alas, 'Server does not like name
DragonFly'?! there is no back address!!!
So I have to post to the whole group.
(Sorry folk)
Here my letter goes:
------------------------------------------
At least I'm happy you read my mail
Best regards
Everything will be all right with you! Relax!
The last story from Singapore (real one!)
Two days ago I received the call
-Are you the person who translated stability documents
for motor vessel Sun Shine?
-Yes, I am
-Vessel Sun Shine (former Buhtarma) have sunk two weeks ago,
three men were died. Can you come to our office?
Alex
Vladimir Petersen
ts...@slip.technet.sg (Alex Tsaregorodtsev) wrote:
>>I'm affraid, that a well known Usenet forger Dmitry Vulis found
>>a new victim (Colin James) and is using his name (and account)
>>to commit forgeries and harrasment.
I sent mail to that Colin, seem to be a real person.
>In this case I would like to take my words back.
>I mean I don't understand you folk! You are very very serious.
>Sometimes I receive mail that I'm totally crazy or even better...
>But my only aim is to entertain people
>and all my articles were written at least after one bottle of beer,
Good disclaimer :)
--
Vladimir Petersen
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Disclaimer: This article was written after a bottle of vodka in a state of
total intoxucation or this article was forged or artificially generated.
Or is it just a result of your imagination? :)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Peter V. Vorobieff
cja...@rmii.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) wrote:
>Recently Igor Chudov, a proven and notorious message forger on the
>Internet, has advertized that he has an advanced, post graduate,
>master's degree from the Computer Science Faculty at Moscow State
>University in Russia.
>
>that Chudov willfully falsified a government document, his H1B visa
>application, in order to gain entry to and work status in the United
>States of America.
>
>This allegation, with supporting documentation, has been duly
>submitted to the appropriate INS unit for processing.
[rest of rant deleted]
I don't think that any new comments need to be made - all that
must be said on the subject is already said.
1. Prov. 6 1:19
2. Prov. 25 1:18
Thou art a maul, and a sword, and a sharp arrow, Colin, and
accursed is thine name in the Sight of God and Man.
Into the fire with thy soul.
*plonk*
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
wrote, with this subsequent correction:
| See Proverbs 26.7:
for "Proverbs 26.7:",
read "Proverbs 26.11:"
| "As a dog returneth to his vomit,
| so a fool returneth to his folly."
| Anathema maranatha.
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
assistant in Mechanical Engineering/Mechanics) wrote with deletions:
[ my assertions quoted in part, and unanswered ]
[ silly stuff deleted ]
| I don't think that any new comments need to be made - all that
| must be said on the subject is already said.
|
| 1. Prov. 6 1:19
| 2. Prov. 25 1:18
[ evil diarrhea of words deleted ]
See Proverbs 26.7:
Alex Iatskovski
>In article <4b2a0i$1...@natasha.rmii.com>,
> cja...@rmii.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) wrote:
>>Recently Igor Chudov, a proven and notorious message forger on the
>>Internet, has advertized that he has an advanced, post graduate,
>>master's degree from the Computer Science Faculty at Moscow State
>>University in Russia.
It's funny enough! This Faculty was NOT present at all at list before 1989.
According to Chudov's "resume" from his WWW, Chudov "works" as programmer on
this faculty already in 1988!!! <BG>. No doubt Chudov is a proven liar!
>If the poster had a valid accusation, surely private email would accomplish
>the desired effect. Placing such claims in the usenet is bad taste and only
>brings suspicion to the claims in my mind.
Such persons as Chudov are posting their forger messages all over the Usenet.
And you want us to respond privately?! Common! Open eyes and check
http://users.aol.com/antisas/oasash.html.
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Alex S. Katz
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd) <cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com> wrote:
replying to his own post!! ;-))
>cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd))
>| "As a dog returneth to his vomit,
>| so a fool returneth to his folly."
>Colin James III, Principal Scientist cja...@cec-services.com
You're one sick puppy, Colin James el Principal.
Sasha
Alex Iatskovski
James III (The Rt Rev'd)) wrote:
>pv...@lehigh.edu (Peter V. Vorobiev, a graduate student and research
>assistant in Mechanical Engineering/Mechanics) wrote with deletions:
>
>[ my assertions quoted in part, and unanswered ]
>
>[ silly stuff deleted ]
>
>| I don't think that any new comments need to be made - all that
>| must be said on the subject is already said.
>|
>| 1. Prov. 6 1:19
>| 2. Prov. 25 1:18
>
>[ evil diarrhea of words deleted ]
>
>See Proverbs 26.7:
>
>"As a dog returneth to his vomit,
>so a fool returneth to his folly."
>
>Anathema maranatha.
Good point!
Dr. Dimitri Vulis
> cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd))
>
> | See Proverbs 26.7:
>
> for "Proverbs 26.7:",
> read "Proverbs 26.11:"
>
> | so a fool returneth to his folly."
>
> | Anathema maranatha.
Thank you, Rt.Rev. Colin James III!!!
In Russian, the above verse reads:
Kak pjos vozvrashchaetsja na blevotinu svoju,
tak glupyj povtorjaet glupost' svoju.
I think this describes both Peter Vorobiev and Igor Chudoff very accurately.
I also note Proverbs 4:19:
The way of the wicked is like deep darkness;
they do not know over what they will stumble.
Put' zhe bezzakonnykh --- kak t'ma;
oni ne znajut, obo cht'o spotknutsja.
and Proverbs 4:24:
Put away from you crooked speech,
and put devious talk far from you.
Otvergni ot sebja lzhivost' ust,
i lukavstvo jazyka udali ot sebja.
and Proverbs 10:14:
Wise men lay up knowledge,
but the babbling of a fool brings ruin near.
Mudrye sberegajut znanie,
no usta glupogo --- blizkaja pogibel'.
The entire Proverbs 10:18-25 is also applicable to Peter Vorobieff:
He who conceals hatred has lying lips
and he who utters slander is a fool.
When words are many, transgression is not lacking,
but he who restrains his lips is prudent.
The tongue of the righteous is choice silver;
the mind of the wicked is of little worth.
The lips of the righteous feed many,
but fools die for lack of sense.
The blessing of the Lord makes rich,
and he adds no sorrow with it.
It is like sport for a fool to do wrong,
but wise conduct is pleasure to a man of understanding.
What the wicked dreads will come upon him,
but the desire of the righteous will be granted.
When the tempest passes, the wicked is no more,
but the righteous is established for ever.
Kto skryvaet nenavist', u togo usta lzhivye;
i kto razglashaet klevetu, tot glup.
Pri mnogoslovii ne minovat' grekha,
a sderzhavshij usta svoi, --- razumen.
Otbornoe serebro --- jazyj pravednogo,
serdtse zhe nechestivogo --- nichtozhestvo.
Usta pravednogo pasut mnogikh,
a glupye umirajut ot nedostatka razuma.
Blagoslovlenie Gospodne --- ono obogashchaet,
i pechali s soboju ne prinosit.
Dlja glupogo prestupnoe dejanie kak by zabava,
a cheloveku razumnomu svojstvenna mudrost'.
Chego strashitsja nechestivyj, t'o i postignet ego,
a zhelanie pravednikov ispolnitsja.
Kak pronositsja vikhr', tak net bolee nechestivogo;
a pravednik --- na vechnom osnovanii.
S pravednym privetom,
---
<a href="mailto:d...@bwalk.dm.com">Dr. Dimitri Vulis</a>
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
Dmitri Zaykin
> It's funny enough! This Faculty was NOT present at all at list before 1989.
> According to Chudov's "resume" from his WWW, Chudov "works" as programmer on
> this faculty already in 1988!!! <BG>. No doubt Chudov is a proven liar!
> And you want us to respond privately?! Common! Open eyes and check
> http://users.aol.com/antisas/oasash.html.
Alex!
I don't understand why you dislike Chudov so much. As far as I know,
he is a very nice person, who is always willing to help, share his
programming skills, spend his time fixing my problems, when I humbly
ask for that. If you think it is because, say, I am a Jew, as he is,
you're not correct, since we never discussed this issue and I am simply
not a Jew.
Don't you think these wars should be stopped? Admit it, the information
you posted is not correct. For example, BMK (CS faculty of Moscow
State U that he graduated from) existed for a long time (contrary to what
you claim), that is longer than 6 years.
I think we have to be nice to people, whatever it takes.
Sincerely,
Dmitri Zaykin
Igor Fedchenia
:Chudov, he claimed to graduate another faculty (read his resume on his
:homepage) - Faculty of Cybernetic and Computer Science of Moscow State
:University. But it is simply impossible! This faculty was opened AFTER 1989!!!
They teach both mathematics and computer science. This is a part of their
curiculum:
Mathematical Cybernetics;
Computer Systems' Architecture;
Algorithmic Languages;
System Programming.
See http://www.rector.msu.su/General/compmath.htm
The faculty was opened in 1970. I was personnaly present.
There is no other faculty at Moscow University which can
be suspected for computer science or similar.
They keep the same name in Russian:
Fakultet Vychislitelnoy Matematiki i Kibernetiki
but from some time probably changed its English translation.
They call themself now (in English)
Faculty of Cybernetics and Computer Science
But it is the same faculty which was opened in 1970.
Dmitri Zaykin
> >I don't understand why you dislike Chudov so much. As far as I know,
> >he is a very nice person, who is always willing to help, share his
> >programming skills, spend his time fixing my problems, when I humbly
> >ask for that. If you think it is because, say, I am a Jew, as he is,
> >you're not correct, since we never discussed this issue and I am simply
> >not a Jew.
> I couldn't care less what nationality he is, and what's that got to do
> with it in the first place?
Ok, I'll tell you the truth. Just to make fun of you. Since there is a
certain lack of logic that you seem yet to see. Besides, I am a Jew, even
though it has nothing to do with the question. Do you think I would
believe that you stop? No, but at the expence of ridiculing myself I
give other readers another chance to see how much worth are your accusations.
> LOL! VMK never taught Computer Science, they teach mathematicians. As for
> Chudov, he claimed to graduate another faculty (read his resume on his
> homepage) - Faculty of Cybernetic and Computer Science of Moscow State
> University. But it is simply impossible! This faculty was opened AFTER 1989!!!
> And according to Chudov resume he works there as programmer already in 1988!
> Common! He is a proven liar! I don't know where he bought his diploma, but no
> doubt he DID NOT graduated MSU!
I would not put so many exclamation signs.
--
Dima
{ the following appendum is a Cauchy random variable }
Never trust a survivor until you find out what he did
to stay alive (from K. Vonnegut)
Vladimir Smirnov
> >>Internet, has advertized that he has an advanced, post graduate,
> >>master's degree from the Computer Science Faculty at Moscow State
> >>University in Russia.
>
> According to Chudov's "resume" from his WWW, Chudov "works" as programmer o
For those who don't know. The Faculty (Department) of Computer Science
of Moscow University DID exist in 1988 and earlier. Mr. Iatskovski is a liar.
- Smirnov, a Moscow University graduate.
--
***************Vegetarians eat vegetables. I am a humanitarian.**************
Alex Iatskovski
>>In article <4b2a0i$1...@natasha.rmii.com>,
>> cja...@rmii.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) wrote:
>>>Recently Igor Chudov, a proven and notorious message forger on the
>>>Internet, has advertized that he has an advanced, post graduate,
>>>master's degree from the the Computer Science Faculty at Moscow State
>>>University in Russia.
>
>>It's funny enough! This Faculty was NOT present at all at list before 1989.
>>According to Chudov's "resume" from his WWW, Chudov "works" as programmer on
>>this faculty already in 1988!!! <BG>. No doubt Chudov is a proven liar!
>
>The Faculty of Applied Mathematics and Cybernetics was opened in
>1970. More exactly 1970 is a year of first intake of stuedents to
>this department. The title is often translate as the Computer Science Faculty.
>
To be exact the Faculty of Applied Mathematics and Cybernetics (VMK) was opened
in 1972 and transform into Faculty of Cybernetics and Computers Science in
1989-90. They began study Computer Science AFTER 1989.
Here the full list of VMK departments existed right up to 1989:
Mathematical Physics;
Research Automatization;
General Mathematics;
Non-linear Dynamic Systems and Processes of Control;
Systematic Analysis;
Mathematical Statistics;
Optimal Control;
Mathematical Cybernetics;
In 1989 - 90 VMK was renamed in CCS (Faculty of Cybernetics and Computers
Science) next departments were added:
Computer Methods;
Computer Systems' Architecture;
Algorithmic Languages;
System Programming.
Looks like Mr. Chudov is the ONLY person on the planet Earth who already
graduated CCS! <BG>
Alex Iatskovski
>Alex Iatskovski (GI...@delphi.com) wrote:
>>>I don't understand why you dislike Chudov so much. As far as I know,
>>>he is a very nice person, who is always willing to help, share his
>>>programming skills, spend his time fixing my problems, when I humbly
>>>ask for that. If you think it is because, say, I am a Jew, as he is,
>>>you're not correct, since we never discussed this issue and I am simply
>>>not a Jew.
>
>>I couldn't care less what nationality he is, and what's that got to do
>>with it in the first place? For me he is a disgusting person, because he is
>>self-proven stukach, nationality has nothing to do with this.
>
>Sorry, I guess there was no point to argue indeed, but the reason that I
>mentioned nationality is because your certain attitude toward Jews is
>clearly seen to everybody who read soc.culture.russian for about a week.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Dmitri Zaykin
>
Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude toward
Jews"? :)
Vladimir Smirnov
> VMK, AFAIK, stands exactly for (in English) CMC -- Computational
> Mathematics and Cybernetics. I see nothing wrong in the way Mr.
Kill me, but I don't see any difference between "cybernetics" and
"computer science". At least, the abovementioned department of
Moscow University is usually translated into English as
"Department of Computer Science". So, Mr. Iatskovski is a liar again.
- Smirnov
--
*************The roar of the hotdogs, the smell of the crowd.****************
Dmitri Zaykin
Mikhail Teterin
wrote in message <30d998bb...@news.mci.newscorp.com>
..
>this faculty already in 1988!!! <BG>. No doubt Chudov is a proven liar!
B-ls-t
>And you want us to respond privately?! Common! Open eyes and check
>http://users.aol.com/antisas/oasash.html.
>
One of the "Pamjat'" (Russian ultra-nazi organizaton) cofounders
A. Iatskovski (he does not just admit it, he is proud of it) will
eventually end up sunk in the toilet, head-first...
-mi
--
Reader! If the style of this post offends you, I'm sorry.
Alex Iatskovski
>GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) wrote:
>> It's funny enough! This Faculty was NOT present at all at list before 1989.
>> According to Chudov's "resume" from his WWW, Chudov "works" as programmer on
>> this faculty already in 1988!!! <BG>. No doubt Chudov is a proven liar!
>> Such persons as Chudov are posting their forger messages all over the Usenet.
>> And you want us to respond privately?! Common! Open eyes and check
>> http://users.aol.com/antisas/oasash.html.
>
>Alex!
>
>I don't understand why you dislike Chudov so much. As far as I know,
>he is a very nice person, who is always willing to help, share his
>programming skills, spend his time fixing my problems, when I humbly
>ask for that. If you think it is because, say, I am a Jew, as he is,
>you're not correct, since we never discussed this issue and I am simply
>not a Jew.
I couldn't care less what nationality he is, and what's that got to do with it
in the first place? For me he is a disgusting person, because he is self-proven
stukach, nationality has nothing to do with this.
>
>Don't you think these wars should be stopped? Admit it, the information
>you posted is not correct. For example, BMK (CS faculty of Moscow
>State U that he graduated from) existed for a long time (contrary to what
>you claim), that is longer than 6 years.
LOL! VMK never taught Computer Science, they teach mathematicians. As for
Chudov, he claimed to graduate another faculty (read his resume on his
homepage) - Faculty of Cybernetic and Computer Science of Moscow State
University. But it is simply impossible! This faculty was opened AFTER 1989!!!
And according to Chudov resume he works there as programmer already in 1988!
Common! He is a proven liar! I don't know where he bought his diploma, but no
doubt he DID NOT graduated MSU!
>
>I think we have to be nice to people, whatever it takes.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Dmitri Zaykin
Could not agree more :)
Mikhail Teterin
>LOL! VMK never taught Computer Science, they teach mathematicians. As for
>Chudov, he claimed to graduate another faculty (read his resume on his
>homepage) - Faculty of Cybernetic and Computer Science of Moscow State
>University. But it is simply impossible! This faculty was opened AFTER 1989!!!
>And according to Chudov resume he works there as programmer already in 1988!
>Common! He is a proven liar! I don't know where he bought his diploma, but no
>doubt he DID NOT graduated MSU!
>
VMK, AFAIK, stands exactly for (in English) CMC -- Computational
Mathematics and Cybernetics. I see nothing wrong in the way Mr.
Chudov put it. That's how same departments/faculties are named in
USA.
Well, this is getting far more serious, then initially. I guess
it is time to try to clear up. To start -- the structure of
Universities and Colleges in the former Soviet Union is/was different
from the American (do not know about other countries). Now, to
the point. I do not know about older times, but during my time in
Kiev Polytechnic Institute the name of the department I was studying
at changed. And it changed right before I was admitted too. The
faculty I applied (and was admitted) to was named FIVT (FICT --
Faculty of Informatics and Computer Technic). It was later split
and the wing I studied at was named FPM (FAM -- Faculty of Applied
Math). And, the department (the meaning of this word is different
in Soviet colleges), my major was affiliated with, never changed.
Now, how would you explain the mess written above in your resume
(Moscow University was also changing names/splitting departments
and faculties every so often) in your resume? Which name of the
department/faculty you would put? The one entered on, or the one
you graduated from? And who cares if the major is same, and/or you
were doing same work?
Mr. Iatskovsky is kinda picky, ha? What is it he does not like
exactly? I. Chudov's work? C'mmon, he can not construct a URL
himself, how can he judge a software engineer's qualification? Just
a "vendetta" of some kind...
-mi
--
Mr. Iatskovsky is highly advised NOT to put his smiley at the
end of his follow-up on this. It reminds of those happy people,
who always smile, and further discourages any talk.
Igor Fedchenia
> cja...@rmii.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) wrote:
>>Recently Igor Chudov, a proven and notorious message forger on the
>>Internet, has advertized that he has an advanced, post graduate,
>>master's degree from the the Computer Science Faculty at Moscow State
>>University in Russia.
It's funny enough! This Faculty was NOT present at all at list before 1989.
According to Chudov's "resume" from his WWW, Chudov "works" as programmer on
this faculty already in 1988!!! <BG>. No doubt Chudov is a proven liar!
The Faculty of Applied Mathematics and Cybernetics was opened in
Rostyk Lewyckyj
does it matter whether Chudov has a valid degree?
What is important to Wiltel is whether he is able to fulfill his contractual
obligations. If he does the work, what does it matter about his degree?
If he does not perform then perhaps the INS should send him back if he
falsified his credentials. On the other hand if his credentials are bona-fide,
but he does not perform, all that Wiltel or any employer could do is fire him.
I.e. If you admit a smart unaccredited immigrant, it's a win.
If you admit a smart immigrant with a fake diploma, it's still a win
If you admit an incompetent with real diploma, it's a lose, since you
can't reasonably send him/her back.
If you admit an incompetent with a fake diploma, it's a lose. But at
least there is some possibility of kicking him/her out, and letting
in another eager immigrant.
The problem between situations 1 & 2 is that the immigration officials can
not judge competency in any objective fashion, so they use the diplomas
as a criterion, since usually they are highly positively correlated with
probable perfomance. So an unaccredited individual is discriminated against.
I do not know which or the four categories above best fits Chudov. However
In any case it is not our place to discuss his immigration bona-fides here.
't ain't none of our bussiness. It doesn't affect his participation here.
It doesn't affect how we evaluate his postings.
--Rostyk
Dmitri Zaykin
> Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude
> toward Jews"? :)
I could not, I should not, and I would not.
--
Dima
{ the following appendum is a Cauchy random variable }
Things move. The rest is a mess
Eugene *fraer*
>zay...@espcbw.stat.ncsu.edu (Dmitri Zaykin) wrote:
>>Don't you think these wars should be stopped? Admit it, the information
>>you posted is not correct. For example, BMK (CS faculty of Moscow
>>State U that he graduated from) existed for a long time (contrary to what
>>you claim), that is longer than 6 years.
>
Why are you talking about things that you know nothing?
What do you think is Computer Science in Russian, or pompous one?
"Komputernaja Nauka"?
In this case there is no single Computer Science specialist in
whole former Soviet Union, because no single institution
contains such a name.
May be MIT authority will convince you?
I graduated from Kharkov University, Meh-Mat, department VM.
At that time there was no separate department VMK at this
university, but curriculum was similar (actually weaker) than
VMK MGU. When I applied to work at MIT the requirement for my
position was Master in CS.
My resume stated the "analog of MS CS". I was asked to produce
proofs. I produced Diploma stated "Applied Mathematician"
without any mentioning of degree, because of simple fact that
soviet system does not have degrees, and List of Courses
[vypiska iz diploma] with hours and grades.
Majority of courses was from Computer Science of cause.
These documents were analyzed in MIT and accepted as a proof
of Master in Computer Science.
Moreover, Master Program at typical American University
constitutes 16 hours of classes a week for 6 years.
Soviet "Applied Mathematician" program constitutes 30 hours of
classes for 5 years, so actually Igor as well as I had MORE classes
and took MORE courses that an American MSCS.
Moreover, to prevent possible allegations that degree
verification in American research institutions may be just a
formality, I will tell you another story:
Previously I worked for Batelle Memorial Institute. You can
call it "a third-rate body shop" like Vitel, but actually it
second largest R&D organization in the USA with 8,000+
employees.
They also have a procedure of verification of degrees. My
credentials were accepted as MSCS, but we hired the other
Russian who graduated from Kiev Politechnical. He applied for
position as a programmer and put degree in Computer Science in
his resume. But personnel after reviewing his List of Courses
noted that it corresponds to degree at Electrical Engineering
and REQUESTED it to be changed in his resume. It actually has
very little relevance and he was hired for the position he
applied, but this case shows their attention to details.
>As for Chudov, he claimed to graduate another faculty (read his resume on his
>homepage) - Faculty of Cybernetic and Computer Science of Moscow State
>University. But it is simply impossible!
>This faculty was opened AFTER 1989!!!
That you, Iatskovkiy, are pathological liar we know before,
but this...
Are you insane or plainly stupid? This faculty exists and
thriving at list from mid 70-s.
The full book-shelf at MIT library stuffed with the
publications of this department for this period. To deny such
a well-known and easily verifiable fact is just laughable.
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
deletions:
| Quit arguing about petty formalities. What, other than empty moral outrage,
| does it matter whether Chudov has a valid degree?
| What is important to Wiltel is whether he is able to fulfill his contractual
| obligations. If he does the work, what does it matter about his degree?
In my opinion,Joseph Stalin could just as easily have written the
words above, and the argument above is clearly from a socio-path (read
that as one who has no conscience).
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Colin James III, Principal Scientist cja...@cec-services.com
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
deletions:
| Ok, I'll tell you the truth. Just to make fun of you. Since there is a
| certain lack of logic that you seem yet to see. Besides, I am a Jew, even
| though it has nothing to do with the question.
You state your relgion, "even though it has nothing to do with the
quastion". In my opinion, that is clearly schizophrenic reasoning on
your part.
You state that you are a Jew; then why don't you start acting it.
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
| What do you think is Computer Science in Russian, or pompous one?
Oh, no, Mr Bill, MIT is really in trouble !
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
possible deletions:
| "Department of Computer Science". So, Mr. Iatskovski is a liar again.
.......................................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| - Smirnov
The above statement is beyond the bounds of _any_ civilized propriety,
and clearly constitutes specious defamation and patent libel.
I have directed my two complaints totalling ten pages and 8-exhibits
to Boston University, Consulting Services, Jim Stone, Director,
Facsimile: 617.353.6260, who is now the point of contact there in all
internet complaints against Vladimir Smirnov.
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
wrote with possible deletions:
| vlad...@chinook.physics.utoronto.ca (Vladimir Smirnov) wrote with
| possible deletions:
|
| | "Department of Computer Science". So, Mr. Iatskovski is a liar again.
| .......................................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| | - Smirnov
|
| The above statement is beyond the bounds of _any_ civilized propriety,
| and clearly constitutes specious defamation and patent libel.
|
| I have directed my two complaints totalling ten pages and 8-exhibits
| to Boston University, Consulting Services, Jim Stone, Director,
| Facsimile: 617.353.6260, who is now the point of contact there in all
| internet complaints against Vladimir Smirnov.
For the above, refer to Mikhail Teterin.
For Vladimir Smirnov, who in my opinion is a disgrace to the Physics
Department and The University of Toronto, contact:
Keith in Physics Admin, Facsimile: 416.978.1547; and Vice-President,
Human Resources, Facsimile: 416.978.2592.
Dr. Dimitri Vulis
zay...@espcbw.stat.ncsu.edu (Dmitri Zaykin) writes:
> I don't understand why you dislike Chudov so much. As far as I know,
> he is a very nice person, who is always willing to help, share his
Always willing to help organize a letter-writing campaign to deprive
a political opponent of net.access? Yes, we all know that.
That's why I no longer have any sympathy for him.
> you posted is not correct. For example, BMK (CS faculty of Moscow
> State U that he graduated from) existed for a long time (contrary to what
> you claim), that is longer than 6 years.
It's very rude to use without explanation a Cyrillic abbreviation when you
cross-post to non-Russian groups, but then what other manners can we expect
from Soviet-style forgers and their apologists and tentacles...
For those who can't read Russian, "BMK" is Cyrillic for "VMK", the common name
for the faculty of Applied Mathematics and Cybernetics of Moscow State
University ("fakul'tet Vychislitel'noj Matematiki i Kibernetiki"). Dima Volodin
graduated it. It is theoretically possible that Igor Chudoff received a
bachelor's degree from that faculty, but this is not at all what he claims.
I've been informed that Moscow State University *just formed* a new faculty of
Cybernetics and Computer Science ("fakul'tet kibernetiki i kom'juternykh
nauk"). Igor appears to claim on his resume that he graduated from it (after 7
years??), and later worked there as a programmer. That's a physical
impossibility, unless he's a time traveller. It sounded like the faculty was
only formed *after* Igor Chudoff came to this country as a "regugee"! :)
I rather doubt that Igor Chudoff has a "kandidat" degree from either faculty.
"kandidat" m candidate; a. lowest Sov. univ. degree, approx.=Master.
(_Romanov Russian-English/English-Russian Dictionary_, ISBN 0-671-70924-0)
I hereby challenge Igor Chudoff to scan in his diploma and to post the GIF to
alt.binaries.misc, with an announcement into all the newsgroups where his
academic credentials are being questioned. Of course, given that Igor Chudov
has been proven to be a compulsive forger, and considering the recent advanced
in digital image manipulation, many of us won't believe the scan either.
> Dmitri Zaykin
I also wonder whether my tyozka Dmitri Zaykin is a real person, or a tentacle
of the notorious forger Igor Chudoff! Did Igor Chudoff or Peter Vorobiev forge
the following disgusting obscenity, making it look like it came from our site?
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>Strangely, I've never seen the above-quoted message. If you still have
>it in your reader, could you please e-mail it to me? I'd like to see
>it header.
>
>Thanks,
>
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pv...@navier.me.lehigh.edu (Peter Vorobieff) wrote:
> egr...@zeus.towson.edu spake thusly:
> [addressing Makarkin]
> >DO POBACHENNJA! BRUDNYJ KATSAP!
> It ain't KATSAP. To my best knowledge, it ain't even human.
> It's a runaway sophomore CC neural networks project.
Despite the well-known stupidity of Pider Vorobieff, he is close to the
right idea that we AI programs and daemons flourish in cyberspace.
But even you dandruff traitor will never guess who is the REAL host of
Makarkin. You better not know to keep the last remainders of your
sanity.
Is that true that your recent depression was because no one fag at Lehigh
wanted to fuck you any more?
This posting was generated by an artificial intelligence program.
P.S. Oh yes, Steven Boursy said hi to you.
--------------------------end-forgery----------------------------------------
THE ABOVE-QUOTED ARTICLE DID NOT ORIGINATE FROM THIS SYSTEM.
It was forged, probably by Peter Vorobiev and Igor Chudoff. In particulat,
the forged message-id could not possibly come from our news software.
Additional information about these spammers and forgers can be found at URL:
>>>>>> http://users.aol.com/antisas/oasash.html <<<<<<
(Peter Vorobieff homepage imeni Pavlika Morozova)
Comments about Pidor Vorobiev's net-abuse can be sent to Dr. Robert P. Wei,
Chairperson, Department of Mechanical Engineering/Mechanics (rp...@lehigh.edu),
V: 610.758.4102, F: 610.758.6224 (Secretary is Gail), who has admonished
Vorobiev (with Vorobiev's supervisor present) in the past several months about
net abuse and forgery.
Dr. Dimitri Vulis
zay...@espcbw.stat.ncsu.edu (Dmitri Zaykin) writes:
> I don't understand why you dislike Chudov so much. As far as I know,
> he is a very nice person, who is always willing to help, share his
Always willing to help organize a letter-writing campaign to deprive
a political opponent of net.access? Yes, we all know that.
That's why I no longer have any sympathy for him.
> you posted is not correct. For example, BMK (CS faculty of Moscow
> State U that he graduated from) existed for a long time (contrary to what
> you claim), that is longer than 6 years.
It's very rude to use without explanation a Cyrillic abbreviation when you
cross-post to non-Russian groups, but then what other manners can we expect
from Soviet-style forgers and their apologists and tentacles...
For those who can't read Russian, "BMK" is Cyrillic for "VMK", the common name
for the faculty of Applied Mathematics and Cybernetics of Moscow State
University ("fakul'tet Vychislitel'noj Matematiki i Kibernetiki"). Dima Volodin
graduated it. It is theoretically possible that Igor Chudoff received a
bachelor's degree from that faculty, but this is not at all what he claims.
This faculty, formed in 1970, did not have "computer science" in its name.
I've been informed that Moscow State U. just reorganized VMK into a new faculty
of Cybernetics and Computer Science ("fakul'tet kibernetiki i kom'juternykh
nauk"). Igor appears to claim on his resume that he graduated from it, and also
worked there as a programmer. As others have pointed out, that's a physical
impossibility, unless he's a time traveller. It sounded like the faculty was
only formed *after* Igor Chudoff came to this country as a "regugee"! :)
I rather doubt that Igor Chudoff has a "kandidat" degree from either faculty.
"kandidat" m candidate; a. lowest Sov. univ. degree, approx.=Master.
(_Romanov Russian-English/English-Russian Dictionary_, ISBN 0-671-70924-0)
(If Chudoff had a "kandidat" degree, he's probably lie that it's comparable to
a Ph.D., like many other lying sovoks do. :)
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
deletions:
| GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) wrote:
| > It's funny enough! This Faculty was NOT present at all at list before 1989.
| > According to Chudov's "resume" from his WWW, Chudov "works" as programmer on
| > this faculty already in 1988!!! <BG>. No doubt Chudov is a proven liar!
| > Such persons as Chudov are posting their forger messages all over the Usenet.
| > And you want us to respond privately?! Common! Open eyes and check
| > http://users.aol.com/antisas/oasash.html.
|
| Alex!
|
| I don't understand why you dislike Chudov so much. As far as I know,
| he is a very nice person, who is always willing to help, share his
| programming skills, spend his time fixing my problems, when I humbly
| ask for that. If you think it is because, say, I am a Jew, as he is,
| you're not correct, since we never discussed this issue and I am simply
| not a Jew.
|
| Don't you think these wars should be stopped? Admit it, the information
| you posted is not correct. For example, BMK (CS faculty of Moscow
| State U that he graduated from) existed for a long time (contrary to what
| you claim), that is longer than 6 years.
|
| I think we have to be nice to people, whatever it takes.
|
| Sincerely,
|
| Dmitri Zaykin
Come now, Chudov, aka Dmitri Zaykin, do you expect even the most
casual reader to believe the above, your cross posted subterfuge from
"espcbw.stat.ncsu.edu", the origin of most of your notorious,
documented forgeries, and very clearly in the same writing style, to
be anything but another message under an alias, and hence compounding
the offense with another forgery ? You truly insult our intelligence.
Your response is so poorly formed that the acronynm BMK is not even
explained, and to complicate matters by invoking your religion is
ridiculous. Who cares what kind of car you drive or what your adopted
religion is: I do not care; and I am _sure_ that God does not care
either. You seem to forget that God is _always_ watching.
Igor Mazin
>GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) wrote:
>> Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude toward
>> Jews"? :)
>
>
That's peanuts. Half a year ago he posted a series of articles about
kykes ("zhidy") and how evil they are. Then some kind soul taught him
to use euphemism "purebred sovok".
Alex Iatskovski
>Alex Iatskovski (GI...@delphi.com) wrote:
>> Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude
>> toward Jews"? :)
>
>I could not, I should not, and I would not.
>
Then you are LIAR! :)
Alex Iatskovski
Smirnov) wrote:
>GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) wrote:
>> Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude toward
>> Jews"? :)
>
> "Mazin, mozhet, tebe na ivrite napisat'?"
Translate -Mazin, maybe I should write in Hebrew for you?
>
>Or you are going to clain you didn't write it?
No, it's my words, and what?
Vladimir Smirnov
> Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude toward
> Jews"? :)
"Mazin, mozhet, tebe na ivrite napisat'?"
Or you are going to clain you didn't write it?
- Smirnov
--
************The past does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.******************
Igor Mazin
>
>Why are you talking about things that you know nothing?
In this case, why should he be an exception in s.c.r.?
Also, what he should then speak about, if he will follow your
impolite advice?
Igor Mazin
>Systematic Analysis;
(!:-)
Mikhail Teterin
wrote in message <4bfll2$7...@nova.dimensional.com>
=| I have directed my two complaints totalling ten pages and 8-exhibits
=| to Boston University, Consulting Services, Jim Stone, Director,
=| Facsimile: 617.353.6260, who is now the point of contact there in all
=| internet complaints against Vladimir Smirnov.
=
=For the above, refer to Mikhail Teterin.
=
=For Vladimir Smirnov, who in my opinion is a disgrace to the Physics
=Department and The University of Toronto, contact:
=
=Keith in Physics Admin, Facsimile: 416.978.1547; and Vice-President,
=Human Resources, Facsimile: 416.978.2592.
Well, in the mean time, Mr. James' name and address should go directly
to the "antisas" home page, ha? Or is he too moronic for that? He is
also advised to verify MY visa status. I forgot, what it is...
I wonder what "CEC Services" is, if their "Principal Scientist" is this
stupid.
-mi
--
Kozache, kozache. Zhittja tvoe sobache...
stanislav shalunov
In article <VLADIMIR.95...@chinook.physics.utoronto.ca>
vlad...@chinook.physics.utoronto.ca (Vladimir Smirnov) writes:
m...@aldan.bu.edu (Mikhail Teterin) wrote:
VMK, AFAIK, stands exactly for (in English) CMC --
Computational Mathematics and Cybernetics. I see nothing wrong
in the way Mr.
[carelessly truncated]
Kill me, but I don't see any difference between "cybernetics" and
"computer science". At least, the abovementioned department of
Moscow University is usually translated into English as "Department
of Computer Science". So, Mr. Iatskovski is a liar again.
``Cybernetics,'' when used correctly stands for optimal control
(according to the meaning of this word as it is used by the founder
and to the original meaning of the Greek root (to govern, which is, by
the way, the same root---through Latin---ascending to Greek
[kybern-])) while ``computer science'' applies to a vast majority of
subjects and in different contexts may mean ``theory of complexity''
(including stuff connected to P != NP and such), ``theory of computer
languages and/or algorithms'' (currently this becomes the main
meaning) or even just any ``theoretical'' in some sense aspects of
programming. The difference in English terms must be clear.
VMK never tought anything connected to logic in mandatory courses, and
the curriculum there was [well, sort of] mathematics and different
stuff directly related to programming, which corresponds well to what
is usually tought in the U.S. in computer science courses plus some
numerical analysis, which is often labelled by CS in U.S. too. Degree
of the VMK depertment of Moscow University looks like a comparable to
a computer science degree thus.
But it still remains a mystery for me, what the hell is our business
in someone else's curriculum vitae?
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Vladimir
wrote in message <30d998bb...@news.mci.newscorp.com>
>>this faculty already in 1988!!! <BG>. No doubt Chudov is a proven liar!
>>And you want us to respond privately?! Common! Open eyes and check
>>http://users.aol.com/antisas/oasash.html.
>One of the "Pamjat'" (Russian ultra-nazi organizaton) cofounders
>A. Iatskovski (he does not just admit it, he is proud of it) will
>eventually end up sunk in the toilet, head-first...
And rusophobe Teterin may end up hangin' upside down on a
birch tree.
Alexey V. Frolov
>LOL! VMK never taught Computer Science, they teach mathematicians. As for
>Chudov, he claimed to graduate another faculty (read his resume on his
>homepage) - Faculty of Cybernetic and Computer Science of Moscow State
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think it is mistranslation of Computer School of MSU. CS of MSU is not
faculty of MSU. It is extra courses of Computer Science for any MSU student
(PhF, meh.-mat.,VMK & others). CS of MSU has OWN diploma.
>University. But it is simply impossible! This faculty was opened AFTER 1989!!!
>And according to Chudov resume he works there as programmer already in 1988!
>Common! He is a proven liar! I don't know where he bought his diploma, but no
>doubt he DID NOT graduated MSU!
Chudov studied in CS of MSU. I know former MSU student (our post-graduate).
He says me about it.
Don't misunderstand mistranslation!
--
A.V. Frolov
e-mail: fro...@inm.ras.ru
WWW: http://inm.ras.ru/users/frolov/eng/I.html
Vladimir Smirnov
> >> Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude toward
> >> Jews"? :)
> > "Mazin, mozhet, tebe na ivrite napisat'?"
>
>
>
That's enough. Everyone already sees who you are.
- Smirnov
--
*************The roar of the hotdogs, the smell of the crowd.****************
Vladimir Smirnov
> | I have directed my two complaints totalling ten pages and 8-exhibits
>
So who is a "stukach" after this?
- Smirnov
--
************The toughest thing in business is minding your own.**************
Alex Iatskovski
>In article <VLADIMIR.95...@chinook.physics.utoronto.ca> vlad...@chinook.physics.utoronto.ca (Vladimir Smirnov) writes:
>>GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) wrote:
>>> Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude toward
>>> Jews"? :)
>>
>> "Mazin, mozhet, tebe na ivrite napisat'?"
>>
>
>That's peanuts. Half a year ago he posted a series of articles about
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>kykes ("zhidy") and how evil they are. Then some kind soul taught him
>to use euphemism "purebred sovok".
Usual tactic for well known liar and provocateur Mazin. Try to post here some of
them or shut up!
Alex Iatskovski
Smirnov) wrote:
>cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) wrote:
>> | I have directed my two complaints totalling ten pages and 8-exhibits
>> | to Boston University, Consulting Services, Jim Stone, Director,
>> | Facsimile: 617.353.6260, who is now the point of contact there in all
>> | internet complaints against Vladimir Smirnov.
>> For Vladimir Smirnov, who in my opinion is a disgrace to the Physics
>> Department and The University of Toronto, contact:
>>
>> Keith in Physics Admin, Facsimile: 416.978.1547; and Vice-President,
>> Human Resources, Facsimile: 416.978.2592.
>
> So who is a "stukach" after this?
>
>- Smirnov
You are:)
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
deletions:
| Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd) (cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com) wrote:
|
| Colin James III is, as far as I can tell, deeply disturbed individual.
| I would be really amazed if he were ordained Priest of any real church,
| but then again, Episcopalians ordain all kinds of weirdos...
| --
| While your friend holds you affectionately by both your hands you are
| safe, for you can watch both of his.
| -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
Michael Kagalenko is mistaken.
My affilitation is not with the Episcopalian Church, but with The
Continuing Episcopal Church (one of the 13-breakaways).
In fact, my Holy Orders do not go through Canterbury or Rome, but
through Moscow _before_ 1917.
My line of Apostolic Succession proceeds from Evdokim (Moscow, 1904)
and Makary (Moscow, 1884) back through St Andrew (Jerusalem, 27).
Your statement that I am "a deeply disturbed individual" would be
forgivable in most contexts, but in this irreligious context your
statement is taken as an affront to the Holy Ghost.
Your statement is defamatory, libelous, and actionable, because it is
not stated as an (unstudied) opinion.
That is a serious charge, for which Northeastern University has
already set up a case file. Due to the winter break, I submitted my
complaint through the Security Department, Facsimile: 617.373.5761.
From your last name I infer you are Ukranian and Slavonic speaking:
consider yourself excommunicate. Anathema maranatha.
Mikhail Teterin
rote in message <30dc43d9...@news.mci.newscorp.com>
>>That's peanuts. Half a year ago he posted a series of articles about
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>kykes ("zhidy") and how evil they are. Then some kind soul taught him
>>to use euphemism "purebred sovok".
>
>Usual tactic for well known liar and provocateur Mazin. Try to post here some of
>them or shut up!
>
BTW. For the amusement of those, who still look at this thread...
This is not directly related to Alex Iatskovski's antisemitism (nor
to his relation to "Pamyat'" -- Russian neo-nazi organization).
This is rather an intent to prove, that he is a liar (occasional)
and that he is stupid (for those who is not yet convinced). In
other words, he is not worth of your attention (as well as this
entire thread).
Some time ago, in article <30c5c7ee...@news.beta.delphi.com>,
our truth-searcher Alex Iatskoviski writes (with some deletions):
-------Begin---------
On Tue, 05 Dec 1995 11:29:11 -0500, Mikhail Teterin
<m...@ALDAN.star89.galstar.com> wrote:
[irrelevant text deleted -mi]
=>P.S. Esli Vas moj otvet interesuet, to, pozhalujsta, vozderzhivajtes'
=> ot obscene language" a eschje malen'kij.
=P.S. LOL!!! Vam ne privesti paru primerov iz Vashikh maternykh statej,
=malen'kij Vy nash ?
----- End -----------
The conversation is in Russian, and can be translated as:
mi:>P.S. If you are interested in my reply, please, avoid the use of
mi:> "obscene language", I'm too young.
GIFT: P.S.LOL!!! Do you want a few samples of your obscene posts,
GIFT: our young one?
I did not want to follow-up on this for obvious reasons (I'm somewhat
known on Soc.Culture.Soviet as the person opposing use of obsceneties,
besides other points). But now, I'd like Mr. Iatskovsky to present
a sample (few) of my posts with ME using obsceneties. I know, that
Mr. Iatskovsky uses a fast news-server(s), so, I'd like to insists,
that he responds on this no later then tonight (Saturday, Dec 22),
before his "friend" Dr. Dimitri Vulis can help him making up a
forgery.
-mi
Andrei Fedorov
>GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) wrote:
>
>>LOL! VMK never taught Computer Science, they teach mathematicians. As for
>>Chudov, he claimed to graduate another faculty (read his resume on his
>>homepage) - Faculty of Cybernetic and Computer Science of Moscow State
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I think it is mistranslation of Computer School of MSU. CS of MSU is not
>faculty of MSU. It is extra courses of Computer Science for any MSU student
>(PhF, meh.-mat.,VMK & others). CS of MSU has OWN diploma.
Po krainee mere kogda I'a zakanchival MGU (1994), I'a chto-to ne pripominaju
nikakix takix fakul'tetov CS v MGU. Da, na v VMK chast' ludei uchilis' po
tak nazivaemoi specializacii "Primenenie EVM", no i oni glavnim obrazom bili
prosto matematiki kotorie specializirovalis' v "Theoretical Computer Science",
no bol'shinsvo vsege bilo s razlichnix kafedr rabotauchix v oblasti prikladnoi
matematiki (teopii operasii, nelineeinix dinamicheskix sistem, vichislitel'noi
matematicheskoi fiziki, chislennix metodov i t.d.). Chto-to ne pomnu I'a
nikakoi
takoi otdel'noi Computer School of MSU, kotoraja vidavala bi svoi diplomi MGU.
>--
>A.V. Frolov
>e-mail: fro...@inm.ras.ru
>WWW: http://inm.ras.ru/users/frolov/eng/I.html
>
S uvageniem, Andrei (VMK'94 MGU)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andrei Fedorov off.ph.:(317)-494-5637
Ph.D. student hom.ph.:(317)-463-5611
Heat Transfer Laboratory fax:(317)-494-0539
School of Mechanical Engineering fyod...@ecn.purdue.edu
Purdue University, USA http://widget.ecn.purdue.edu/~fyodorow
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
deletions:
| In article <4b2a0i$1...@natasha.rmii.com> cja...@rmii.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) writes:
|
| o pathological liar
|
| When I read the words "pathological liar", I reach for my
.............................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| pist^H^H^H^Hkill-file.
..^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[ subsequent Russian obscenities in Manin's cartouche deleted ]
| Play at http://camelot.rockefeller.edu/~manin/br.cgi
When my system received an email copy of the above from Dmitrii Manin
on 12/18/95, the message was archived and bounced back unread.
Today I received more email form Manin which was unsolicited,
harassing, obscene, and threatening. Consequently, I read the above
article/email and found it disturbingly consistent.
As Rockefeller University is closed for the holidays, I faxed to the
security office there at 212.327.7564 copies of both messages, plus
another obscene article Manin posted with a title which began with an
obscenity, because the usenet article above is clearly violent,
threatening, and in fact contains a veiled death threat.
I sincerely hope that Manin ceases and desists, and that the
University takes swift, definitive, appropriate action against Manin.
Misha Verbitsky
Vladimir Smirnov <vlad...@chinook.physics.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>m...@aldan.bu.edu (Mikhail Teterin) wrote:
>> VMK, AFAIK, stands exactly for (in English) CMC -- Computational
>> Mathematics and Cybernetics. I see nothing wrong in the way Mr.
> Kill me, but I don't see any difference between "cybernetics" and
>"computer science". At least, the abovementioned department of
>Moscow University is usually translated into English as
>"Department of Computer Science". So, Mr. Iatskovski is a liar again.
A Russophobe and a bona fide provocateur Itsakovsky
is certainly a liar. Like many people on Soviet newsgroup,
I was a schoolmate of Igor Chudov (from the math. school 57
of Moscow) and I can testify that he was indeed a student of
computer faculty of Moscow University.
Recently, I was speculating on Iatskovsky's net-image. He presents
himself as a founding member and security chief of virulently
anti-Semite, nationalist organization "Pamyat'". He used to
post on length about Jewish ritual sacrifices of human blood.
Same time, Itsakovsky shows a complete misunderstanding of Russian
educational system, and also demonstrates a remarkable degree of
Russophobia. He claims to be a descendant of Russian nobility,
signing his messages with either a typically Jewish last name
(Iatskovsky is about as Jewish as Rabinovich or Kogan), or with the
Yiddish word which means ``poison gas''. It is logical to conclude
that Iatskovsky is a self-hating Jew from Brookline (or, more
likely, one of mixed Jewish and Russian blood), in his 20-ies, who
arrived to America in 1970-ies, and is also a pathological liar
who espouses a genocidal brand anti-Semitism and Russophobia.
Sounds familiar, no?
Misha.
Andrej Volsky
: vlad...@chinook.physics.utoronto.ca (Vladimir Smirnov) wrote:
: >cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) wrote:
: >> | I have directed my two complaints totalling ten pages and 8-exhibits
: > So who is a "stukach" after this?
:
: You are:)
Two Tasmania aboriginals are eating a stupid joke named Yajtssakovsky
and one aboriginal turns to the other and says: "Does this taste funny
to you?" Second turns to the first and replies: "do you like antisemites
and stukachi?"
Andrej
Volodya Fomin
>> For Vladimir Smirnov, who in my opinion is a disgrace to the Physics
>> Department and The University of Toronto, contact:
>>
>> Keith in Physics Admin, Facsimile: 416.978.1547; and Vice-President,
>> Human Resources, Facsimile: 416.978.2592.
> So who is a "stukach" after this?
Can someone please explain to me -- who started this first?
I think, that person is the vilest "stukach".
--
--
Volodya Fomin, vfo...@panix.com
Dmitriy Volodin
> [...]
> porjadochnyje ljudi "papochek" ne zwodjat,
> [...]
kak zhe tak, Igor'? Vziat', i tak dushku Mishu Verbitskogo opustit'...
Dima
Dr. Dimitri Vulis
> wrote in message <4bfll2$7...@nova.dimensional.com>
> =| I have directed my two complaints totalling ten pages and 8-exhibits
> =| to Boston University, Consulting Services, Jim Stone, Director,
> =| Facsimile: 617.353.6260, who is now the point of contact there in all
> =| internet complaints against Vladimir Smirnov.
> =
> =For the above, refer to Mikhail Teterin.
By the way, Jim Stone's e-mail address is <J...@BU.EDU>.
> =For Vladimir Smirnov, who in my opinion is a disgrace to the Physics
> =Department and The University of Toronto, contact:
> =
> =Keith in Physics Admin, Facsimile: 416.978.1547; and Vice-President,
> =Human Resources, Facsimile: 416.978.2592.
>
> Well, in the mean time, Mr. James' name and address should go directly
> to the "antisas" home page, ha?
There's nothing wrong with complaining to a stukach's sysadmin about a
stukach's net-abuse. A stukach, by definition, has placed himself outside the
protection of all moral laws and ethical rules. One cannot go wrong by harming
a stukach. This is the ethical basis for our self-defense (samooborona).
Stukach Teterin previously expressed pride in being a confirmed stukach:
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Path: ...!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.bu.edu!mi
From: m...@cs.bu.edu (Mikhail Teterin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: IRC Wars ili o tom kak mozhno peteryat' account
Date: 21 May 1995 01:12:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Lines: 15
Message-ID: <3pm42c$3...@news.bu.edu>
References: <3pddoa$j...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3pe2vu$n...@romulus.rutgers.edu> <3pekce$l...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3pjapu$2...@news2.delphi.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: csb.bu.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
Sitting, working. Suddenly realized that AK...@DELPHI.COM wrote:
: pssl...@prairienet.org (Pavel S. Slavin) writes:
: CTyKA4ECTBO TyT O4EHb PA3BuTO; eto vsem izvestno :-(.
: So, to exercise your freedom of speech (bez posledstvii :-)
Poskol'ku nikto esche ne sprosil, a chto zhe sobstvenno takogo Pavel skazal,
delaju vyvod, chto vsem vse ravno -- stukachestvo u vsex vyzyvaet
negodovanie nezavisimo ot soderzhanija. Buduchi iskljucheniem, sproshu:
-- Pavel, a v chem delo-to, sobstvenno, esli ne sekret?
Esli glupost'/nedorazumenie, to nado sysadmin-a ubedit' i karasja
dostat' po vozmozhnosti, a esli za delo (kakoe?), to chego zh
Vy kipite?
--
Cat is somewhere around... * kOT GDE-TO NEPODAL#KU...
"Computer hackers do it all night long."
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All True Russians are most grateful to Rt.Rev.Colin James III for his help
in cleansing our newsgroup "soc.culture.russian" of assorted gnid-stukachej.
> He is
> also advised to verify MY visa status. I forgot, what it is...
Syn bljadi Misha Teterin is a phoney "refugee" with an I-94 visa. He stayed on
welfare even longer than another notorious stukach, who described how he lied
to get the coveted "refugee status":
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Path: ...!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nic.iii.net!iii1.iii.net!not-for-mail
From: ich...@iii1.iii.net (Igor Chudov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,misc.immigration.usa
Subject: Re: Why there is no Russian Slavs' communities in the US?
Message-ID: <3i5a8u$q...@iii1.iii.net>
Date: 18 Feb 1995 12:20:11 -0500
References: <3h4bbp$5...@crl5.crl.com> <3hg7pn$6...@iii1.iii.net> <3hn1ci$p...@crl6.crl.com> <13Feb95.15...@granite.ciw.edu> <3homk9$p...@news.bu.edu> <3hoqn2$m...@crl8.crl.com> <3htcq5$7...@iii1.iii.net> <3htfj4$9...@crl8.crl.com>
Reply-To: ich...@iii.net (Igor Chudov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet,misc.immigration.usa
Organization: Bool Sheet Software
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Iouri Sorkine (sor...@crl.com) wrote:
: Igor Chudov (ich...@iii1.iii.net) wrote:
: : We got our status in 1993 and I can second Simcha's opinion. We did not lie,
: : we just told them about the discrimination towards us. It was enough to get
: : the status.
: Igor, read carefully. I never stated everyone lies.
Yes, of course. My position is that there was no need to use fraudulent
methods (lies) to get the status. If some people, however, used this fraud
unnecessarily, it has little to do with the system, but rather gives us
a negative opinion about these people.
--
- Igor.
"The opossum is a very sophisticated animal. It doesn't even get up
until 5 or 6 pm."
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The phoney "refugee" admitted that he posted from a trial AOL account:
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From: ich...@iii1.iii.net (Igor Chudov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: True nature of mi761...@aol.com
Message-ID: <3i8vdn$c...@iii1.iii.net>
Date: 19 Feb 1995 21:39:32 -0500
Reply-To: ich...@iii.net (Igor Chudov)
Organization: Bool Sheet Software
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Yes guys,
How you did not guess? mi761...@aol.com was created by myself just to
troll you. It was fun to write all that and see your reaction. The alleged
address of mi761...@aol.com is the PO box of local psychic. Igor Chudov.
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Here is a typical "anti-Semitic" article posted by the phoney "refugee from
Russian anti-Semitism" from this trial AOL account/ "Mikhail" tentacle:
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From: mi761...@aol.com (Mi76182116)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: To "Re:Rus.Nationalism" Jewish participants/friends
Message-ID: <3i8uf8$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
Date: 19 Feb 1995 21:23:36 -0500
References: <citzinfo-190...@ip-pdx6-06.teleport.com>
Sender: ro...@newsbf02.news.aol.com
Reply-To: mi761...@aol.com (Mi76182116)
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
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You wrote :"What are you doing here, by the way? Don't you know in the
US, racist
attitudes are considered to be 'poor white trash' behavior?
Andrea"
I do not have to tell you what I am doing here. I answered this question
on this groupd 1000 times. Look it up !
1) Antisemitism is not racism. Jews are not a race. Now, read my postings
carefully. I was talking about a certain group of Jews, not even a nation,
"Jews from Russia." I distinguished them from Israelis, whom I respect for
being traditional and nationalist but on their historical land. Nothing
racist in this statement, just an opinion. Nobody challenged it
intelligently. Only came up with all kinds of fabrications and
allegations.
2) The term "white trash" is racist. Is it OK to be "black trash" ? But I
do not care what Yankees think about my views. I have my own opinion and I
am not going to adjust to local conditions. I do not like particular type
of Jews from Russia, and I do not conceal it like other people. You,
Americans are robots. You are programed by your propaganda machine. Even
in the Soviet Union people were more independent in their views. You are
Catholic ? Looks like you've been converted to atheism, the religion of
Jews of Russia. Mixail
FREEDOM OF SPEECH BELONGS
TO THE PERSON WHO USES
THIS FREEDOM
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I wonder if similar "evidence" was presented in the "legend" he had to compose
to get the refugee status.
Merry Chrismas to all but the stukachi.
maznev
> that Iatskovsky is a self-hating Jew from Brookline (or, more
> likely, one of mixed Jewish and Russian blood), in his 20-ies, who
> arrived to America in 1970-ies, and is also a pathological liar
> who espouses a genocidal brand anti-Semitism and Russophobia.
> Sounds familiar, no?
"20-ies" sounds reasonable. I doubt if he "arrived here in 1970-ies":
he certainly didn't learn English as a kid.
Simcha Streltsov
: What do you think is Computer Science in Russian, or pompous one?
: "Komputernaja Nauka"?
AFAIU, Vichislitel'naya matematika ~= Computational Math
Vichislitel'naya technika ~= Computer Science
: proofs. I produced Diploma stated "Applied Mathematician"
and "Applied Math" is "Applied Math" (hey, even I have it).
In addition, "equivalent degree" is not the same as "same degree".
There are a number of x-sciences and marginal topics and it is not
a secret for anyone.
Senya
Vladimir
>On Sat, 23 Dec 1995 01:06:36 GMT, vlad...@chinook.physics.utoronto.ca (Vladimir
>>GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) wrote:
>>> Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude toward
>>> Jews"? :)
>> "Mazin, mozhet, tebe na ivrite napisat'?"
>Translate -Mazin, maybe I should write in Hebrew for you?
>>Or you are going to clain you didn't write it?
>No, it's my words, and what?
About "na ivrite napisat'": there may be some sarkasm, however the above
quotation can't be used as an example of one's attitude
towards Jews. If, say, a French comes to me from Quebeq that doeesn't
speak good English, he asks: "Vlad, please say/write it in French." Does it
imply anything as to our attitudes towards each other? Of course no,
maybe, for exception of desire to cooperate for a better understanding.
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Igor Mazin
>>That's peanuts. Half a year ago he posted a series of articles about
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>kykes ("zhidy") and how evil they are. Then some kind soul taught him
>>to use euphemism "purebred sovok".
>
>Usual tactic for well known liar and provocateur Mazin. Try to post here some of
>them or shut up!
>
Malo togo, chto ty gad, Jackovski, ty eshe i trus poganyj. Ty prekrasno
znaesh', chto tol'ko stukachi tipa Vilisa podshiwajut wse statiji okruzhaju-
schih w archiv. Neuzheli ja budu polgoda hranit' twoj slowesnyj ponos?
Deja News s.c.r hranit wsego za mesjac. Tak chto ty w polnoj bezopasnosti -
porjadochnyje ljudi "papochek" ne zwodjat, a Vulisy ty poka dostatochno
userdno lizhesh' zad. Napakostil - i w kusty. I chto ty tak drozhish'
za swoiju shkuru? Kogo ispugalsja? Ty zhe sam-to znaesh', chto ja na tebja
za eto donos ne napishu, ne perwyj den' zamuzhem. /
|
)
\_/
Igor Mazin
>Recently dishonorable GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski)
> rote in message <30dc43d9...@news.mci.newscorp.com>
>
>
>mi:>P.S. If you are interested in my reply, please, avoid the use of
>mi:> "obscene language", I'm too young.
>
>GIFT: P.S.LOL!!! Do you want a few samples of your obscene posts,
>GIFT: our young one?
>
>I did not want to follow-up on this for obvious reasons (I'm somewhat
>known on Soc.Culture.Soviet as the person opposing use of obsceneties,
>besides other points). But now, I'd like Mr. Iatskovsky to present
>a sample (few) of my posts with ME using obsceneties. I know, that
>Mr. Iatskovsky uses a fast news-server(s), so, I'd like to insists,
>that he responds on this no later then tonight (Saturday, Dec 22),
>before his "friend" Dr. Dimitri Vulis can help him making up a
>forgery.
>
Much too complicate a test. IMHO, we are presented with a perfect test
for everybody in this group. Namely, one can believe that, for instance,
Mazin is stukach, and Vulis is not, if one is either stupid or misinformed.
Now comes the question: is Mr. Colin James a stukach? Whoever answers
"no", everything must be clear about him. Of corse, question is primarily
directed to those who advertised in this group the "antistukach" page:
yes no
1) Sergey Viznyuk ( ) ( )
2) Alex Itaskovski( ) ( )
3) Dimitri Vulis ( ) ( )
4) Vl. Petersen ( ) ( )
Bol'she, po-moemu, borcow u nas tut net.
Da, I wonder how the known bot will justify writing a complaint to my Lab
as a standard follow-up to this article?
Igor Mazin
>>>GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) wrote:
>>>> Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude toward
>>>> Jews"? :)
>
>>> "Mazin, mozhet, tebe na ivrite napisat'?"
>
>>Translate -Mazin, maybe I should write in Hebrew for you?
>
>>>Or you are going to clain you didn't write it?
>
>>No, it's my words, and what?
>
>About "na ivrite napisat'": there may be some sarkasm, however the above
>quotation can't be used as an example of one's attitude
>towards Jews. If, say, a French comes to me from Quebeq that doeesn't
>speak good English, he asks: "Vlad, please say/write it in French." Does it
>imply anything as to our attitudes towards each other? Of course no,
>maybe, for exception of desire to cooperate for a better understanding.
>
Thank you vladimir. Now I am enlightened. Sure Alex's desire was to
cooperate with me for a better understanding, because of my bad Russian.
dragon_fly
Igor Mazin <ma...@quartz.ciw.edu> wrote:
>In article <30dc43d9...@news.mci.newscorp.com> GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) writes:
>>>That's peanuts. Half a year ago he posted a series of articles about
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>kykes ("zhidy") and how evil they are. Then some kind soul taught him
>>>to use euphemism "purebred sovok".
>>
>>Usual tactic for well known liar and provocateur Mazin. Try to post here some of
>>them or shut up!
>>
>
>Malo togo, chto ty gad, Jackovski, ty eshe i trus poganyj. Ty prekrasno
malo togo chto Mazin was acknowleged as one of most dumb
Sovoks on the net, he is just plain simple rotten govno.
Cordially,
Dragon
Sergey Kravchenko
>On 23 Dec 95 03:06:31 GMT, ma...@quartz.ciw.edu (Igor Mazin) wrote:
>>>GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) wrote:
>>>> Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude toward
>>>> Jews"? :)
>>> "Mazin, mozhet, tebe na ivrite napisat'?"
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>kykes ("zhidy") and how evil they are. Then some kind soul taught him
>>to use euphemism "purebred sovok".
>
>Usual tactic for well known liar and provocateur Mazin. Try to post
>here some of them or shut up!
>
>***Alex Iatskovski A&M Co. NY ***
>***SOC.CULTURE.RUSSIAN FAQ is located on the URL bellow ***
>***http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Russian_Club ***
>==============================================================
Following several requests by Alex Iatskovski I decided to post one of
his anti-Semitic messages from my comprehensive usenet database. If he
would like me to do so, I can post many others anti-Semitic articles
that were written by him.
On his part, I expect him to perform the task of _exact_ translation
of his rantings into English language on his own.
Notice Alex Iatskovski usage of words "zhid" and
"zhidovstvujushchij". These words are derogatory and obscene words in
Russian which stay for Jew and Jewish, correspondingly.
Sergey
In Newsgroup "soc.culture.russian", Under Subject "Re: Vopros o morali ...",
In article <3qrk3r$5...@news1.delphi.com>,
GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) writes:
>Ochevidno, vse-taki Igoru Chudovu ne sovsem bezrazlichno, chto zdes'
>publikuetsya vremja ot vremeni nezhidovstvujushchimi lud'mi.
( for brevity, here I omit a large part. Available upon request - S.K.)
>Vmesto znaka "Stop" v Izraile segodnja ispol'zuetsja kontur otkrytoj ladoni,
>raspolozhennyj na zheltom pochemu-to fone. Eshche odna neob`jasnimaja tjaga
>zhidov, na etot raz k zheltomu tsvetu? No tut Igor' reshil ot mody ne
>otstavat', i dazhe svoj sobstvennyj tag-line postroil po tomu zhe printsipu:
o...@spades.trump.ru
>Here the full list of VMK departments existed right up to 1989:
>Mathematical Physics;
>Research Automatization;
>General Mathematics;
>Non-linear Dynamic Systems and Processes of Control;
>Systematic Analysis;
>Mathematical Statistics;
>Optimal Control;
>Mathematical Cybernetics;
liar and mudak.
System Programming, ASVK and AL existed long before.
in 1980 for sure.
--
Const. Ocrainets
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
possible deletions:
| cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) wrote:
| > For Vladimir Smirnov, who in my opinion is a disgrace to the Physics
| > Department and The University of Toronto, contact:
| >
| > Keith in Physics Admin, Facsimile: 416.978.1547; and Vice-President,
| > Human Resources, Facsimile: 416.978.2592.
|
| So who is a "stukach" after this?
|
| - Smirnov
Answer below.
See Vladimir Smirnov, posting from the Physics Department of the
University of Toronto (during duty hours?) in USENET groups rec.pets
and rec.pets.cats regarding the subject of "Castrate yourself
first...", 10/5-6/95 where:
"I would humbly ask all ladies who [sic, meaning "to"] consider this
operation for themselves..."
"Of course my self-worth is not based neither [sic] on my
testicles..."
"In Deuteronomy (or The [sic] Numbers?) there is even something like
"one whose testes or member has been cut off, cannot enter the Holy
Heaven" ... if I xposted this to talk.religion.misc, would it be
alright?"
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
| ma...@pendragon.rockefeller.edu (Dmitrii Manin) wrote with possible
| deletions:
|
| | In article <4b2a0i$1...@natasha.rmii.com> cja...@rmii.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) writes:
| |
| | o pathological liar
| |
| | When I read the words "pathological liar", I reach for my
| .............................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| | pist^H^H^H^Hkill-file.
| ..^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
| [ subsequent Russian obscenities in Manin's cartouche deleted ]
|
| | Play at http://camelot.rockefeller.edu/~manin/br.cgi
|
| When my system received an email copy of the above from Dmitrii Manin
| on 12/18/95, the message was archived and bounced back unread.
|
| Today I received more email form Manin which was unsolicited,
| harassing, obscene, and threatening. Consequently, I read the above
| article/email and found it disturbingly consistent.
|
| As Rockefeller University is closed for the holidays, I faxed to the
| security office there at 212.327.7564 copies of both messages, plus
| another obscene article Manin posted with a title which began with an
| obscenity, because the usenet article above is clearly violent,
| threatening, and in fact contains a veiled death threat.
|
| I sincerely hope that Manin ceases and desists, and that the
| University takes swift, definitive, appropriate action against Manin.
Today Rockefeller University called me to say that regarding Dmitrii
Manin (ma...@camelot.rockefeller.edu), his academic supervisor had
gotten rid of him about two years ago, and now wants to "throw the
book at him" for his internet pranks. Hence Manin is using a bogus
account there, shortly to be terminated.
Yulya Fridman
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd) <cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com> wrote:
>cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd))
>wrote with possible deletions:
>| ma...@pendragon.rockefeller.edu (Dmitrii Manin) wrote with possible
>| deletions:
>| | In article <4b2a0i$1...@natasha.rmii.com> cja...@rmii.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) writes:
>| |
>| | o pathological liar
>| |
>| | When I read the words "pathological liar", I reach for my
>| .............................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>| | pist^H^H^H^Hkill-file.
>| ..^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>| As Rockefeller University is closed for the holidays, I faxed to the
>| security office there at 212.327.7564 copies of both messages, plus
>| another obscene article Manin posted with a title which began with an
>| obscenity, because the usenet article above is clearly violent,
>| threatening, and in fact contains a veiled death threat.
>| I sincerely hope that Manin ceases and desists, and that the
>| University takes swift, definitive, appropriate action against Manin.
>Today Rockefeller University called me to say that regarding Dmitrii
>Manin (ma...@camelot.rockefeller.edu), his academic supervisor had
>gotten rid of him about two years ago, and now wants to "throw the
>book at him" for his internet pranks. Hence Manin is using a bogus
>account there, shortly to be terminated.
>~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>Colin James III, Principal Scientist cja...@cec-services.com
>CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO 80215-1502 USA
>Voice: 303.231.9437; Facsimile: .231.9438; Data: .231.9434
>~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Test.
Yulya.
Volodya Fomin
>: >LOL! VMK never taught Computer Science, they teach mathematicians.
In the United States, "Computer Science" is usually taught in the School
of Engineering, and mathematics (including applied mathematics) in a
liberal arts university.
>: What do you think is Computer Science in Russian, or pompous one?
>: "Komputernaja Nauka"?
Yes. That's what they called the new faculty in Moscow State U.
>AFAIU, Vichislitel'naya matematika ~= Computational Math
>Vichislitel'naya technika ~= Computer Science
>: proofs. I produced Diploma stated "Applied Mathematician"
>and "Applied Math" is "Applied Math" (hey, even I have it).
It's a pretty good degree. Why did this guy have to lie and
say that he had a computer science degree when he didn't have it???
He gives everybody a bad name. :(
Vladimir Smirnov
>Igor Mazin wrote:
> >That's peanuts. Half a year ago he posted a series of articles about
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >kykes ("zhidy") and how evil they are. Then some kind soul taught him
> >to use euphemism "purebred sovok".
>
> Usual tactic for well known liar and provocateur Mazin. Try to post here some of
> them or shut up!
Dunno about half a year ago, but here is a recent one.
From: Dragon Fly
Date: 1995/10/20
Re: 10 forged cancels in various newsgroups
MessageID: 466unb$2...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu#1/1
newsgroups: soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.ukrainian,relcom.politics
originator: sviz...@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(...)
>In article <xfAkA+...@delphi.com> Alex Iatskovski <gi...@delphi.com> writes:
>o chleny komandy v litse Igorja Chudova. Otkrovenno govorja ja ot
>o Igorja etogo ne ozhidal. Ego inogda zanosit, kogda v nem
>o prosypaetsja ego porkhataja polovina
Translation: "(...) Frankly, I did not expect this from Igor
[Chudov]. It happens to him sometimes, when his kike half wakes up."
- Smirnov
--
*** There are two kinds of people: those who think that there are *** *** two kinds of people, and all others. ***
Vladimir Smirnov
> Recently, I was speculating on Iatskovsky's net-image. He presents
> himself as a founding member and security chief of virulently
> anti-Semite, nationalist organization "Pamyat'". He used to
> post on length about Jewish ritual sacrifices of human blood.
> that Iatskovsky is a self-hating Jew from Brookline (or, more
> likely, one of mixed Jewish and Russian blood), in his 20-ies, who
> arrived to America in 1970-ies, and is also a pathological liar
> who espouses a genocidal brand anti-Semitism and Russophobia.
If he arrived at America on 70's and is 20+yo, he can't be
a Pamyat' member, can he? My guess is he emigrated quite a few years
ago, and his lack of knowledge of educational system follows from
his absence of education. Also, if he were in his 20s, he would
get a job instead of posting %^&* from Delphi.
- Smirnov
--
*****************The results of my IQ test were negative.********************
Vladimir Smirnov
> : What do you think is Computer Science in Russian, or pompous one?
> : "Komputernaja Nauka"?
>
Simcha, stick to your DeCustine and never forget that there are no
computers in Russia. Your translation sucks.
Dmitrii Manin
In article <4bhoe8$e...@nova.dimensional.com> cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) writes:
o Today I received more email form Manin which was unsolicited,
o harassing, obscene, and threatening.
Post it.
--
- M
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> mkag...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Michael Kagalenko) wrote with possible
> deletions:
> | Colin James III is, as far as I can tell, deeply disturbed individual.
>
> That is a serious charge, for which Northeastern University has
> already set up a case file. Due to the winter break, I submitted my
> complaint through the Security Department, Facsimile: 617.373.5761.
Quite regrettably, Mr. Colin James III has proved himself being a
remarkable crackpot.
The fact that he went completely bonkers has already been unmistakably
observed by all.
If I personally were at the Security Department, I should speak with
praise to Mr. Kagalenko and advise Mr. Colin James III to bugger off.
Ivan Zimogoriev II, (Pupil of Deliverance).
Vladimir Smirnov
> >>> Could you please repost here my message where you've seen my "attitude toward
> >>> Jews"? :)
>
> About "na ivrite napisat'": there may be some sarkasm, however the above
> quotation can't be used as an example of one's attitude
> towards Jews. If, say, a French comes to me from Quebeq that doeesn't
> speak good English, he asks: "Vlad, please say/write it in French." Does it
> imply anything as to our attitudes towards each other? Of course no,
> maybe, for exception of desire to cooperate for a better understanding.
Pure hypocricy. The example above would be the same as if
you say to a man with French last name: "You don't understand
English, or what? Should I write this for you in Quebecoi?"
If you know he speaks English, ahd he knows you know he speaks
English, it is an intentional insult.
- Smirnov
--
***************Vegetarians eat vegetables. I am a humanitarian.**************
=BORG=
>In article <4bhlhv$p...@news.bu.edu> m...@aldan.bu.edu (Mikhail Teterin) writes:
>> wrote in message <30dc43d9...@news.mci.newscorp.com>
>><m...@ALDAN.star89.galstar.com> wrote:
>>mi:>P.S. If you are interested in my reply, please, avoid the use of
>>mi:> "obscene language", I'm too young.
>>GIFT: P.S.LOL!!! Do you want a few samples of your obscene posts,
>>GIFT: our young one?
>Much too complicate a test. IMHO, we are presented with a perfect test
>for everybody in this group. Namely, one can believe that, for instance,
>Mazin is stukach, and Vulis is not, if one is either stupid or misinformed.
>Now comes the question: is Mr. Colin James a stukach? Whoever answers
>"no", everything must be clear about him. Of corse, question is primarily
>directed to those who advertised in this group the "antistukach" page:
>
> yes no
>1) Sergey Viznyuk ( ) ( )
>2) Alex Itaskovski( ) ( )
>3) Dimitri Vulis ( ) ( )
>4) Vl. Petersen ( ) ( )
Where did I advertise the antistukach page? Just once I referred
to it when asked about Solzhenitsyn's writings abou stukachi.
It's not an advertising of the page, it's advertising of a
Solzhenitsyn's work. And that's the only handy sourse about
Solzhenitsyn and stukachi I found. So, to put it mildly,
your statement, g-n Mazin, isn't true.
--
Vladimir Petersen
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|
| In article <4bhoe8$e...@nova.dimensional.com> cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) writes:
|
| o Today I received more email form Manin which was unsolicited,
| o harassing, obscene, and threatening.
|
| Post it.
Why don't _you_ post it, or don't you keep copies of email written
when mad?
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o Your response is so poorly formed that the acronym BMK is not even
o explained,
Colin, this is what happens when you are too sure you're right: you
say stupid things. Any Russian knows that BMK is Fakul'tet
Vychislitel'noj Mathematiki i Kibernetiki, that is, the Computer
Science Dept. of Moscow State University. It has existed for a long
time, not less than 10 years, because when I was graduating from high
school in 1977, it was already existing.
Iatskovski posted utter bullshit, and you took his disinformation for
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misconceptions. You are bound to be fooled and played with, to be
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From what the officials at Rockefeller University said to me this
morning when they called, I am rather surprised that Manin would dare
post again from that site.
(See the book titled, "The Death of Common Sense".)
Alex Iatskovski
>In article <30dc43d9...@news.mci.newscorp.com> GI...@delphi.com (Alex Iatskovski) writes:
>>>That's peanuts. Half a year ago he posted a series of articles about
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>kykes ("zhidy") and how evil they are. Then some kind soul taught him
>>>to use euphemism "purebred sovok".
>>
>>Usual tactic for well known liar and provocateur Mazin. Try to post here some of
>>them or shut up!
>>
>
>Malo togo, chto ty gad, Jackovski, ty eshe i trus poganyj. Ty prekrasno
>znaesh', chto tol'ko stukachi tipa Vilisa podshiwajut wse statiji okruzhaju-
>schih w archiv. Neuzheli ja budu polgoda hranit' twoj slowesnyj ponos?
>Deja News s.c.r hranit wsego za mesjac. Tak chto ty w polnoj bezopasnosti -
>porjadochnyje ljudi "papochek" ne zwodjat, a Vulisy ty poka dostatochno
>userdno lizhesh' zad. Napakostil - i w kusty. I chto ty tak drozhish'
>za swoiju shkuru? Kogo ispugalsja? Ty zhe sam-to znaesh', chto ja na tebja
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>za eto donos ne napishu, ne perwyj den' zamuzhem. /
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
Net Mazin, napishite, poskol'ku Vy sudar' STUKACH. Fakt dokazannyj. Cho zhe
ksaetsja Vashego slovestnogo ponosa, to v otlichie ot Vas ja oskorbitel'nukh
statej ne pishu, vospitanie znaete li ne pozvoljaet. U menja mnogo nedostatkov i
odin iz nikh - vezhlivost'. A chto by i Vy ne somnevalis' v tom chto Vy v
sostojanii pisat' donosy - vot tol'ko lish odin korotkij primer:
Familija STUKACHA MAZINA ukazana tret'ej v spiske stukachej, kotoryj mne vyslal
moj WWW provider:
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This situatiois geting worse all the time. Now have received complaints
from:
> From: adi...@chook.physics.utoronto.ca (Vladimir Smirnov)
> Subjet: To the Mayor
> Dat Fri, 1 D 1995 19:11:25 -0500
> To: ro...@xmissn.com, ro...@gastow.com, ma...@gastown.com
> From: Mikhail Teterin <m...@ALDAN.star89.galstar.com>
> Subject: http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/Iatskovski/faq.txt
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 18:4:40 -0500 (EST)
> To: ma...@gastown.com
> Cc: w...@xmission.com
> rom: ma...@quartz.ciw.edu (Dr. Igor I. Mazin)
> Subject: Request for discussion
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:24:31 -0700 (MST)
> To: Gastown Webspace <gas...@xmission.com>
> From: Peter Oshkai <pm...@lehigh.edu>
> Subject: http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/Iatskovsky/faq.txt
> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 12:01:43 -0800
> To: ma...@gastown.com
> Cc: pv...@lehigh.edu, pm...@lehigh.edu
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o...@clubs.trump.ru
>ma...@camelot.rockefeller.edu (Dmitrii Manin) wrote with possible
>deletions:
>|
>| In article <4bhoe8$e...@nova.dimensional.com> cja...@melchizedek.cec-services.com (Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)) writes:
>|
>| o Today I received more email form Manin which was unsolicited,
>| o harassing, obscene, and threatening.
>|
>| Post it.
>Why don't _you_ post it, or don't you keep copies of email written
>when mad?
And where's madness ?
reasonable things were said.
I know guys graduated with Chudov.
I myself graduated VMK and assure your that if in the soviet
union was dep. giving MSCS - that's VMK.
(approx. 1/2 were mathematicians and others - pure CS)
Iatskovsky evidently mudak and you, stuckachok, gone
after him.
--
Const. Ocrainets
Alexey V. Frolov
>"Alexey V. Frolov" <fro...@inm.ras.ru> wrote:
>>>homepage) - Faculty of Cybernetic and Computer Science of Moscow State
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>I think it is mistranslation of Computer School of MSU. CS of MSU is not
^^^
>>faculty of MSU. It is extra courses of Computer Science for any MSU students
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>(PhF, meh.-mat.,VMK & others). CS of MSU has OWN diploma.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Extra diploma over standard faculty diploma. (Dopolnitel'nyj diplom, krome
glavnogo MGUshnogo).
>Po krainee mere kogda I'a zakanchival MGU (1994), I'a chto-to ne pripominaju
>nikakix takix fakul'tetov CS v MGU. Da, na v VMK chast' ludei uchilis' po
^^^^^^^^^^^
Eto ne fakultet i ne specializaciya. Eto dopolnitel'nye (po zhelaniyu
studentov)
kursy. Ya pro eto znayu, potomu chto moi shef (Voevodin) chital tam lekcii po
matem. osnovam rasparallelivaniya. Odnazhdy mne dazhe prishlos' ego zamenyat'.
Bylo eto godu v 1991. Potom ya slyshal o vydache im diplomov.
>tak nazivaemoi specializacii "Primenenie EVM", no i oni glavnim obrazom bili
>prosto matematiki kotorie specializirovalis' v "Theoretical Computer Science",
>no bol'shinsvo vsege bilo s razlichnix kafedr rabotauchix v oblasti prikladnoi
>matematiki (teopii operasii, nelineeinix dinamicheskix sistem, vichislitel'noi
>matematicheskoi fiziki, chislennix metodov i t.d.). Chto-to ne pomnu I'a
>nikakoi
>takoi otdel'noi Computer School of MSU, kotoraja vidavala bi svoi diplomi MGU.
Ya, pravda, ne uveren, chto eto vsyo ne zaglohlo vposledstvii, kogda tam
perestali chitat' kursy "glavnye monstry".
--
A.V. Frolov
e-mail: fro...@inm.ras.ru
WWW: http://inm.ras.ru/users/frolov/eng/I.html
Bill Hensley
I'm sure that many readers of ok.general would appreciate it if
further posts on this or related threads would not include
ok.general. ok.general is for discussion on general topics that
pertain to the State of Oklahoma. This thread has degenerated
into accusations, threats, and even an apparent excommunication
(if I read it correctly [which is interesting]), but there is
little of relevance to this group. There is also a good deal of
Russian (I guess) language and idiom that I'm sure most of us
cannot read.
Thanks in advance,
Bill Hensley
Bill_H...@smtp.rc.trw.com
Maybe this will allow us to get back to our non-controversial
topics like politics, religion, gun control, and conspiracies!
Igor Mazin
>ma...@quartz.ciw.edu (Igor Mazin) wrote:
>
>>Now comes the question: is Mr. Colin James a stukach? Whoever answers
>>"no", everything must be clear about him. Of corse, question is primarily
>>directed to those who advertised in this group the "antistukach" page:
>>
>> yes no
>>1) Sergey Viznyuk ( ) ( )
>>2) Alex Itaskovski( ) ( )
>>3) Dimitri Vulis ( ) ( )
>>4) Vl. Petersen ( ) ( )
>
>your statement, g-n Mazin, isn't true.
>
You are right. I apologize.
However, Ickovski did put your name among creators of his pseudo-FAQ,
so he includes you in the row of his supporters. Also, you more than once
called Chudov, who wrote one, well-justified, complaint, and Vorobev,
who wrote several, "stukachi". What is your opinion about Mr. James
who wrote several dozens, probably more that a hundred? Is he a "stukach"?
If so, would you suggest to Viznyuk to inculde his name in his list?
Alexander A.Kachurin
>FORGERY ALERT!!!!!! FORGERY ALERT!!!!!! FORGERY ALERT!!!!!! FORGERY ALERT!!!!!!
>
[ STUPID SHIT DELETED]
THE MOST INTERESTING IN THIS LIE IS THAT THIS IS A LIE FROM FIRST TO THE LAST
WORD.
Alex
Alexander A.Kachurin
>malo togo chto Mazin was acknowleged as one of most dumb
>Sovoks on the net, he is just plain simple rotten govno.
Etot mudak ochevidno uzhe razuchilsya govorit' po-russki
no esche ne nauchilsya po-angliiski.
Alex
>
>Cordially,
>Dragon
>
Colin James III (The Rt Rev'd)
deletions:
| I'm sure that many readers of ok.general would appreciate it if
| further posts on this or related threads would not include
| ok.general.
Thank you for your opinion, but your title is not The Internet Mommy.
The origignal thread was/is about a current Oklahmoa State resident,
Igor Chudov; hence, unmoderated ok.general is an ideal forum for
discussion of this topic.
Suggest you put a _filter_ on the threads you don't like in this
newsgroup, rather than whining about it.
Thank you for your kind indulgence and consideration in this matter,
which clearly does not and should not concern you.
Mikhail Teterin
wrote in message <25Dec95.20...@granite.ciw.edu>
> If so, would you suggest to Viznyuk to inculde his
> [Colin James' the 3rd -mi] name in his list?
Never! They would not dare! The law-obedient one will throw so much
at them, making their lives even more miserable then they are. None
of them is very brave -- Dr. Dmitri Vilis, for example, signs the
most disguisting posts as "AI simulation daemon" -- just in case,
he'll need a backup, proving it's not him. Neither can Mr. Iatskovski
stand behind his word (or may be those words are just not worthy
standing behind?)
-mi
--
When I see a law vilated, I take the law in my own hands.
Peter Vorobieff, transalted from Russian by S.Viznyuk
(removed by "antisas" from "P.S." to my complain to ab...@aol.com)
Simcha Streltsov
: > Vichislitel'naya technika ~= Computer Science
: Simcha, stick to your DeCustine and never forget that there are no
: computers in Russia. Your translation sucks.
OK,
Vichislitel'naya technika = Abacus Science
Simcha Streltsov, _Former_ Adar Rabbi of S.C.Soviet
-------------------------
please, only Kosher lePesach homentashen
all others will be returned unopened.
p.s. This sig expired, but nobody have sent me real
homentashen anyway
Eugene *fraer*
>Vichislitel'naya technika ~= Computer Science
No, in Soviet colleges (at list before 1990)
"Vychislitel'naja tekhnika" = Computer Electronics.
I know some people who graduated from VT (usually these programs
were given by Polytechnical Institutes). They studied more
electronics and much less programming and algorithms than
Computer Science students do.
>: I produced Diploma stated "Applied Mathematician"
>
>and "Applied Math" is "Applied Math" (hey, even I have it).
My point was that also my diploma stated Applied Math, I
(personally) actually studied the Computer Science.
My transcript clearly shows just this. That may be not a case
with you.
The reason was that at my time in the Soviet education there
was no formal distinction between AM and CS program. The
other students who graduated the same year as I and got same
diploma indeed studied only applied math.
>In addition, "equivalent degree" is not the same as "same degree".
NOBODY HAD ANY Bachelor or Master degree from any Soviet
universities at that time, by simple reason that the system
of professional certification in the USSR was different. So
nobody has "the same" degree as American BS or MS.
To explain such details in the resume would be meaningless,
because resume should give BRIEF overview of your education
and experience. Moreover in many places now resumes are
pre-screened by computers, so putting something like:
"Graduated with distinction from 5-year program of
Applied Mathematics which is analogous to 6-year
Master Degree program in Computer Science given by
American universities"
would look weird if read by human and totally misled the
automated reader.
So my point is:
In the context of resume the statement "Graduated with
analog of Master Degree in Computer Science" is absolutely
correct for the discussed case.
DISCLAIMER: Written above expresses opinions of the fraer only,
and even other fraers would not agree with this.