Nov. Russkoe Slovo and others
GI...@delphi.com
>Evrej zasluzhenno
>sostawljali bol'shuju chast' redakcij w luchshih Rossijskih zhurnalah,
>pri tom chto evreev bylo 2% naselenija. Nichego udiwitel'nogo ili
>neprijatnogo dlja normal'nogo cheloweka, a ne fashista, kotoryj perwym
>delom lezet w shtany proverjat' stepen' obrezan- nosti, w tom chto
>redakcija amerikanskoj russkojazychnoj gazety, pri tom chto 80%
>russkogoworjashchih zdes' evrei, w osnownom sostoit iz evreev, NET.
Vot tak, poprostu, bez obinjakov, s legkoi ruki g-na Mazina vse my
javljaemsja nositeljami evrejskoj kul'tury! Chudny dela tvoi, Gospodi! Stoit
li udivljatsja tomu, chto te russkie, kotorye osmelivajutsja-taki izuchat'
russkuju kul'turu ne po evrejskim istochnikam nikakogo drugogo epiteta
krome fashisty v leksikone judofilstvujusshego Igorja Mazina ne
zasluhzivaut. Nu da Bog emu sud'ja, k jurodivym na Rusi vsegda otnosilis' s
sochustviem.
Ja dopuskaju, chto u g-na Mazina bylo trudnoe detstvo, defitsit
obrazovanija i isporchennaja genetika, chto ne moglo ne skazat'sja na ego
umstvennykh sposobnostjakh.No, dumaju, chto dahze dlja ego intellectual'nogo
urovnja vpolne dostupno ponimanie togo, chto russkomu cheloveku mohzet
poprostu pokahzat'sja strannym takoj, naprimer, fakt,kogda dva evreja pishut
pesnju pod nazvaniem "Khotjat li russkie vojny?"i umudrjajutsja poluchit' za
eto Leninskuju premiju. Chto vprochem ne udivitel'no. Kak spravedlivo
zametil g-n Mazin, zasedanija soveta Sojuza Pisatelej SSSR razve shto ne
velos' na ivrite ili idishe, s ostal'nym bylo vse v porjadke! Udivitel'no
drugoe. Te hze samye ludi segodnja raspuskajut bajki o jakoby imevshem mesto
postojannom pritesnenii evreev v SSSR. Vprochem eto uhze drugaja tema.
Pokhohze g-nu Mazinu (fu ty Gospodi, i sklizkaja hze familija!) destvitel'no
nevdomek, chto my tut obsuhzdaem ne vozmohznosti evreev v Amerike voobsshe,
a neskromnoe nazvanie russkojazychnoi gazety redaktiruemoj predstaviteljami
chuhzdoj bol'shinstvu iz nas kul'tury. Otmechu, cto u nas net podobnykh
pretenzij k tselomu rjadu drugikh NY-kikh izdaniy, kak, naprimer, vpolne
prilichnaja gazeta "Evrejskij Mir" vykhodjaschaja v NY na russkom jazyke.
Speshu Vas razocharovat', mister Mazin. Russkaja kul'tura NIKOGDA ne
prevratitsja v "Novuju Russkuju Kul'turku" (NRS), kak by Vam etogo ne
khotelos'!
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Dmitrii Manin
In article <3gjrf1$2...@news1.delphi.com> GI...@delphi.com writes:
o a ja ne v odnoj gazete mira ne vstrechau takogo kollichestva
o orfograficheskihx oshibok.
Pravil'no -- "ni v odnoi", i "kolichestva".
o Razumeetsja priverhzentsi evrejskoj kul'tury imeut pravo izdavat'
o svoi izdanija na lubom jazyke, nuhzno lish byt' bolee schepetil'nym
o v vybore nazvanija gazety.
Naskol'ko ya ponimayu, nazvanie bylo vybrano ochen' davno, i tol'ko
idiot budet menyat' traditsionnoe nazvanie populyarnogo izdaniya.
A na Vulisa ty naekhal rovno za ego edinstvennyi na moei pamyati
obosnovannyi (i odin iz samykh myagkikh pritom) flame. Priderzhi
vozzhi.
--
- M
Disclaimer: V sluchae oslableniya khrustyaschikh svoistv
Produkt rekomenduetsya podsushit'
Leo Kaushansky
>In artikle: 31Jan95.02...@granite.ciw.edu> Igor Mazin nam povedal:
>
> >Evrej zasluzhenno
> >sostawljali bol'shuju chast' redakcij w luchshih Rossijskih zhurnalah,
> >pri tom chto evreev bylo 2% naselenija. Nichego udiwitel'nogo ili
> >neprijatnogo dlja normal'nogo cheloweka, a ne fashista, kotoryj perwym
> >delom lezet w shtany proverjat' stepen' obrezan- nosti, w tom chto
> >redakcija amerikanskoj russkojazychnoj gazety, pri tom chto 80%
> >russkogoworjashchih zdes' evrei, w osnownom sostoit iz evreev, NET.
>
[gnevnie vipady g-na Iatskovskogo v storony g-na Mazina deleted kak
ne imeushchie znacheniya ]
>No, dumaju, chto dahze dlja ego intellectual'nogo
>urovnja vpolne dostupno ponimanie togo, chto russkomu cheloveku mohzet
>poprostu pokahzat'sja strannym takoj, naprimer, fakt,kogda dva evreja pishut
>pesnju pod nazvaniem "Khotjat li russkie vojny?"i umudrjajutsja poluchit' za
>eto Leninskuju premiju.
Kak raz normalnomu russkomu cheloveku eto ne pokajetsya strannim. Normalniy
russkiy chelovek (da vprochem i luboy normalnuy chelovek) voobche ne budet
daje interesovatsya kakoy natsionalnosti byli te, kto napisal etu pesnu.
Da i ne tolko pesnu. Da i voobche kakoe imeet zanchenie tsvet, krov', vero-
ispovedovanie i t.d. cheloveka, kotoriy kakim-libo obrazom popolnyaet
kulturu obchestva... Nu, normalniy chelovek eto i sam znaet...
Drugoe delo, russofob-antisemit. Emu naverno skoro pokajetsya strannym, pochemu
A.C. Pushkin schitaetsya velikim russkim poetom...
> Chto vprochem ne udivitel'no. Kak spravedlivo
>zametil g-n Mazin, zasedanija soveta Sojuza Pisatelej SSSR razve shto ne
>velos' na ivrite ili idishe, s ostal'nym bylo vse v porjadke!
Navernoe eto vse resultati kakoy-to conspiracy. I voda v krane inogda
otsutstvovala toje ne sprosta...
> Udivitel'no
>drugoe. Te hze samye ludi segodnja raspuskajut bajki o jakoby imevshem mesto
>postojannom pritesnenii evreev v SSSR.
Nu skajem, tsitiruemaya stat'ya sama po sebe dokazivaet, chto ne bayki eto...
>
> Vprochem eto uhze drugaja tema.
>Pokhohze g-nu Mazinu (fu ty Gospodi, i sklizkaja hze familija!) destvitel'no
>nevdomek, chto my tut obsuhzdaem ne vozmohznosti evreev v Amerike voobsshe,
>a neskromnoe nazvanie russkojazychnoi gazety redaktiruemoj predstaviteljami
>chuhzdoj bol'shinstvu iz nas kul'tury.
Sudya po odnomu etomu predlojeniu vam voobshe ponyatie "kultura" chujdo...
>Otmechu, cto u nas net podobnykh
>pretenzij k tselomu rjadu drugikh NY-kikh izdaniy, kak, naprimer, vpolne
>prilichnaja gazeta "Evrejskij Mir" vykhodjaschaja v NY na russkom jazyke.
>Speshu Vas razocharovat', mister Mazin. Russkaja kul'tura NIKOGDA ne
>prevratitsja v "Novuju Russkuju Kul'turku" (NRS), kak by Vam etogo ne
>khotelos'!
Tak i slishitsya tresk razrivaemoy na grudi rubahi...
>
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Igor Chudov
: A che Pamyat'? Pamyat' kontora OK. Pomnyu oni pervie skazali chto Tal'kova
: evrei ubil. Tut vse kipesh podnyali: "Kak vam ne stidno,kak vam ne
: stidno,antisemiti neschastnie! Ego Malahov ubil,on lyubereckii."
Vladimir, objasni mne, pozhalujsta, chto s togo, chto Tal'kova evrej
ubil. Ja ne ponimaju, pochemu eto tebya tak vozbuzhdaet.
- Igor (evrej).
Igor Chudov
: Nu vot, Sovkom Mazinym zavonialo.
Drakosha, dorogoj, ty ved' iz nas samyj sovkovyj sovok. Nam so storony
vidnee. Poetomu bud' poostorozhnee, kogda ty tak nehorosho pishesh' o
sovkah.
A to vse podumajut, chto ty ochen' glupyj. A ved' ty naverniaka ochen'
umnyj, pochti genij. Ja znaju, ty-to v etom uveren, no ostal'nyje eto ne
priznajut. A, sprashivaetsa, pochemu?
- Igor.
Sergey Petrov
"r-u-s-s-s-k-i-j"
i proiznisjat sootvetstvenno.
Sergey Petrov
Alex S. Katz
>Vladimir Makarkin (maka...@hooked.net) wrote:
>
>: A che Pamyat'? Pamyat' kontora OK. Pomnyu oni pervie skazali chto Tal'kova
>: evrei ubil. Tut vse kipesh podnyali: "Kak vam ne stidno,kak vam ne
>Vladimir, objasni mne, pozhalujsta, chto s togo, chto Tal'kova evrej
>ubil. Ja ne ponimaju, pochemu eto tebya tak vozbuzhdaet.
Nu kak zhe, a krov' xristianskuyu v matsu tam, ili esche, skazhem,
bol'shevism v massy. Opyat' zhe, inorodtsy spoili russkii narod,
kotoryi ,kak izvestno, byl trezv i gramoten s samogo momenta svoego
vstupleniya v mirovuyu istoriyu - let tak 700 nazad.
Ty sam podumai - evrei, let 2,800 nazad, mnogo ponimali?
Nut vot i Makarkin na toi stupeni razvitiya stoit, vse amalekityan
ischet. Dai emy banan i fotografirui, kak on ego v nozdryu suet.
> - Igor (evrej).
Sasha
Igor Chudov
: In artikle: 31Jan95.02...@granite.ciw.edu> Igor Mazin nam povedal:
: >Evrej zasluzhenno
: >sostawljali bol'shuju chast' redakcij w luchshih Rossijskih zhurnalah,
: >pri tom chto evreev bylo 2% naselenija. Nichego udiwitel'nogo ili
: >neprijatnogo dlja normal'nogo cheloweka, a ne fashista, kotoryj perwym
: >delom lezet w shtany proverjat' stepen' obrezan- nosti, w tom chto
: >redakcija amerikanskoj russkojazychnoj gazety, pri tom chto 80%
: >russkogoworjashchih zdes' evrei, w osnownom sostoit iz evreev, NET.
: Vot tak, poprostu, bez obinjakov, s legkoi ruki g-na Mazina vse my
: javljaemsja nositeljami evrejskoj kul'tury! Chudny dela tvoi, Gospodi!
Ty brat ne ohuel li? Gde eto ty u Igorya prochital?
: umstvennykh sposobnostjakh.No, dumaju, chto dahze dlja ego intellectual'nogo
: urovnja vpolne dostupno ponimanie togo, chto russkomu cheloveku mohzet
: poprostu pokahzat'sja strannym takoj, naprimer, fakt,kogda dva evreja pishut
: pesnju pod nazvaniem "Khotjat li russkie vojny?"i umudrjajutsja poluchit' za
: eto Leninskuju premiju.
Idi i napishi pesnyu "A ne hotyat li evrei vojny", esli tebe tak hochetsa.
Nu a pochemu eto evrey ne mozhet pisat' pesnyu pro russkih? Konechno,
mozhet. A russkij mozhet pisat' pesnyu pro evreev. Da radi boga.
: Chto vprochem ne udivitel'no.
Nu v nature ne udivitel'no.
- Igor.
Simon Streltsov
: GI...@delphi.com wrote:
: : javljaemsja nositeljami evrejskoj kul'tury!
Chudny dela tvoi, Gospodi!
Warning: the phrase you quote ("gadlu maaseha, Hashem")
is from psalm by King David, I think.
Tak shto if you want to avoid Jewish culture, be more careful
next time
Simcha Streltsov, _Former_ Adar Rabbi of S.C.Soviet
-------------------------
please, only Kosher lePesach homentashen
all others will be returned unopened.
p.s. This sig expired, but nobody have sent me real
homentashen anyway
Igor Chudov
Da vat, kstati, vspomnilos': goda 4 nazad ehal ja v avtobuse okolo
Universiteta. V drugom konce - pjanyj. Vse, blya, oret, syki ebanye!!!
Kto, blya, menya na-huj spoil, zhizn' moju zagubil?! ZZHHIIDDYY!! Uuuuh,
ebanyj v rot!!! I t.p.
- Igor.
Vladimir Makarkin
says...
>
>In article <3gmrkq$n...@news1.delphi.com> GI...@delphi.com writes:
>>In artikle: 31Jan95.02...@granite.ciw.edu> Igor Mazin nam povedal:
>>
>> >
>
>
>Detstwo konechno bylo neprostoe - a otkuda u evreja v Sovke 25 let nazad
>moglo byt' legkoe detstwo, esli mne nuzhno bylo znat' wse na 10 chtob
>na wstupitelnom examene poluchit' 5 a potom wse rawno ne postupit'?
>No znaesh, trudno w uchenji, legko w boju, potomu-to ja i wyros tem,
>kem ja est', a ne takim kak ty. A s genetikoj u menja wse w porjadke -
>moj rod podrewnej twoego priblizitel'no na 3.5e3 let, t.k. prorok Aaron
>is washej i nashej biblii moi prjamoj predok.
>
Hm,a vot tvoi tezka Shafarevich govorit,chto,naooborot,vo mnogih moskovskih
vuzah russkim rebyatam bilo trudno postupit' na fakul'teti,gde bol'shinstvo
prepodavatelei bili evrei.
Pochemu ya dolzhen verit' Igoryu Mazinu,a ne Igoryu Shafarevichu?
A,znayu,znayu! Shafarevich-antisemit,da?
Kak bi to ni bilo,Igor', esli to chto s toboi
bilo-pravda,sochustvuyu,chestnoe slovo.
Tol'ko ne zabud',pozhaluista, chto dlya millionov pacanov iz sel'skih
shkol,postupit' hot' kuda-nibut' bilo nevozmozhno voobshe.
Iz- za otsutsviya uchitelei fiziku, nemeckii i literaturu im prepodaval
voenruk,a on bil kontuzhennii.
Tak chto vibor u nih bil ne mezhdu fiztehom i inyazom,a mezdu Severnim
Flotom i Afganistanom,t.e. mezhdu zhiznyu i smertyu (i to ne sprashivali)
Nehuevii rasklad,da?
>Nu i zdorow zhe ty pizdit'! I jazuk ne otwalitsja. Ja zh tebe duraku
>>
>Poslushaj, pridurok! Ty menja i w samom dele zawedesh'. Nesi chto hochesh',
>tol'ko mne w rot swoi pizdezh ne wkladywaj.
>
>
>Ili u tebja razdwoenie lichnosti?
>
>>
A ved' on s vami intelligentno staraetsya govorit. Chtozh vi za lyudi-to
takie?
Vladimir
Vladimir Makarkin
Nravishsya ti mne,Shurik,svoei pryamotoi.Poka drugie vokrug da okolo,ti
pravdu-matku v glaza rezhesh:" Nam,evreyam,let do huya,mi umnee!"
A ya tak zhe pro russkih dumayu,tol'ko argumenti u menya drugie.
I ya tebe kak nacist-nacistu skazhu: Amerikanci,kototim 300 let
tol'ko,voobshe s dereva eshe ne slezli!
P.S. A banan ya s'em!
Vladimir
Vladimir Makarkin
says...
>
>In article <3gkt2d$7...@its.hooked.net> maka...@hooked.net (Vladimir
Makarkin) writes:
>>In article <3gjrf1$2...@news1.delphi.com>, GI...@delphi.com says...
>>>
>>
>>Nu,Leha,derzhis'! Schas oni tebya s govnom s'edyat.
>>
>>Vladimir
>>
>Eto s toboj, chto li?
>
Priznayasya,Igor',ti ved' pervuyu huinyu,chto tebe v golovu prishla,vzyal da
i napisal? Bivaet.
Vladimir
CONSTANTIN N ZHIKHAREV
>In artikle: 31Jan95.02...@granite.ciw.edu> Igor Mazin nam povedal:
>IM>Detstwo konechno bylo neprostoe - a otkuda u evreja v Sovke 25 let nazad
>IM>moglo byt' legkoe detstwo, esli mne nuzhno bylo znat' wse na 10 chtob
>IM>na wstupitelnom examene poluchit' 5 a potom wse rawno ne postupit'?
>IM>No znaesh, trudno w uchenji, legko w boju, potomu-to ja i wyros tem,
>IM>kem ja est', a ne takim kak ty. A s genetikoj u menja wse w porjadke -
>IM>moj rod podrewnej twoego priblizitel'no na 3.5e3 let, t.k. prorok Aaron
>IM>is washej i nashej biblii moi prjamoj predok.
>Hm,a vot tvoi tezka Shafarevich govorit,chto,naooborot,vo mnogih moskovskih
>vuzah russkim rebyatam bilo trudno postupit' na fakul'teti,gde bol'shinstvo
>prepodavatelei bili evrei.
>Pochemu ya dolzhen verit' Igoryu Mazinu,a ne Igoryu Shafarevichu?
>A,znayu,znayu! Shafarevich-antisemit,da?
O tom , chto sushestvovali kvoty na kolichestvo studentov evrejskoj
natsional'nosti, ja znayu ne ponaslyshke. Te zhe samye dorevolyutsion-
nie 5 % (ili skol'ko tam bylo?). To, chto ja nablyudal: pri odinakovom
kolichestve nabrannyh na vstupitel'nyh ekzamenah ballov - otseivalis'
evrei. Po-povodu odnogo horoshego mal'chika s interesnoj familiej bylo
spetsial'noe zasedanie - uzh ochen' horoshij byl mal'chik , no v
grafe ukazal - "evrej". Interesno, chto posle postupleniya osoboj dif-
ferenciacii po natsional'nosti ja uzhe ne videl - "plan vypolnen, mozh-
no i ob uspevaemosti podumat'"?
>Tol'ko ne zabud',pozhaluista, chto dlya millionov pacanov iz sel'skih
>shkol,postupit' hot' kuda-nibut' bilo nevozmozhno voobshe.
Ochen' dazhe vozmozhno. Kak mne govoril dekan moego fakul'teta , bol'-
shaya dubina ( Kostinu - (-8 ), na eto delo u nih tozhe kvoty byli. I
eshe. Kto, interesno, uchilsya v fiz.-mat. internatah. Ne te li "paca-
ny" ? Konechno, v "derevne" bylo poxuzhe, no govorit' o "nevozmozhnos-
ti" tozhe ne nado.
Zhikharev.
Roman Kostin
Vladimir Makarkin <maka...@hooked.net> wrote:
>In article <01Feb95.05...@granite.ciw.edu>, ma...@quartz.ciw.edu
>says...
>>In article <3gmrkq$n...@news1.delphi.com> GI...@delphi.com writes:
>> [arguments]
> [arguments]
>
>A ved' on s vami intelligentno staraetsya govorit. Chtozh vi za lyudi-to
>takie?
GIFT - intelligentno??? 8-D ?
Ili, mozhet, ploho staraetsya.
A chto zh my za lyudi? Nu da, razvelos', zhzhzhidov, ponimaesh'.
Russkomu stupit' negde. S govnom edyat. A esche pidorov
razvelos' tozhe. Pederasticheski-zhido-masonskoe zasil'e.
Sporu net, NRS gazeta plohaya. Kstati, mnogie moi druz'ya,
kak russkie, tak i evrei, ee inache kak "Novoe Zhidovskoe
Slovo" ne nazyvayut. No ne v etom sut'. Sut' v mahrovom
antisemitisme GIFTa i zlovonii ispuskaemom im v etoj newsgroup.
Ya vsegda schital, chto eto nuzhno vyzhigat' kalenym zhelezom.
>Vladimir
--
Kostin
George Chesakov
Nu kak zhe!
Hrista tozhe evrei raspjali!
Vot uzhe i linija podozritel'naja vyrisovyvaetsja...
--
naive
Stupidity is a choice.
Igor Mazin
>In article <01Feb95.05...@granite.ciw.edu>, ma...@quartz.ciw.edu
>says...
>>
>
>vuzah russkim rebyatam bilo trudno postupit' na fakul'teti,gde bol'shinstvo
>prepodavatelei bili evrei.
>
>Pochemu ya dolzhen verit' Igoryu Mazinu,a ne Igoryu Shafarevichu?
>A,znayu,znayu! Shafarevich-antisemit,da?
Net, ne poetomu. A potomu chto on wret, a ja goworju prawdu.
I dokazywat' ja tebe eto ne budu. Len', da i potom ty mne ne powerish',
esli ja tebe rasskazhu wse, chto ja po etomu powodu. A znaju ja mnogo -
po karjnej mere, pro WSE moskowskie wuzy i na 1971 plus minus dwa goda
sezon. Pro drugije LICHNO ne znaju, no podozrewaju, chto nikakoj
raznicy. A Sh. wret, i eto ne ego wina. On nezdorowyj (psihicheski)
chelowek, esli by ty ego znal, ty by soglasilsja.
Da, kstati: Menja w 1977 moi russkij rukowoditel' pytalsja ustroit'
na rabotu k evreju. A tot kogda menja uvidel - ispugalsja, chto obvinjat
w.. nu ponjatno w chem - i otkalzal. Merzkij trus byl.
>
>Kak bi to ni bilo,Igor', esli to chto s toboi
>bilo-pravda,sochustvuyu,chestnoe slovo.
>Tol'ko ne zabud',pozhaluista, chto dlya millionov pacanov iz sel'skih
>shkol,postupit' hot' kuda-nibut' bilo nevozmozhno voobshe.
Eto otchasti prawda. Kogda ja zabiral dokumenty iz Fizteha s 18-ju
ballami, rjadim poluchal studencheskij paren' iz derewni s 12-ju.
A tebe kstati nrawit'sja, chto zdes' negru, esli emu udaetsja sdelat'
Ph.D. nemedlenno predlagajut professorstwo w 10 universitetah, a takoj
kak ty budet eshche 10 let postdocom ishachit' i neizwestno chto potom?
>Tak chto vibor u nih bil ne mezhdu fiztehom i inyazom,a mezdu Severnim
>Flotom i Afganistanom,t.e. mezhdu zhiznyu i smertyu (i to ne sprashivali)
Stanem na tochku zrenja Makarkina i amerikancew. No wed' moe mesto
zanimal ne paren' iz derewni - ty praw, u nego shansow ne bylo. No takoj
zhe moskwich, kak ja, tol'ko Ivanov ili Sharafutdinow. A unego byli takie
zhe shansy uchit'sja kak i umenja.
>
>
>
>>Nu i zdorow zhe ty pizdit'! I jazuk ne otwalitsja. Ja zh tebe duraku
>>>
>>Poslushaj, pridurok! Ty menja i w samom dele zawedesh'. Nesi chto hochesh',
>>tol'ko mne w rot swoi pizdezh ne wkladywaj.
>>
>
>A ved' on s vami intelligentno staraetsya govorit. Chtozh vi za lyudi-to
>takie?
A wy pochitajte ego perwyj post. Prosto on i rugat'sja ne umeet. A wywel on
menja iz sebja tem chto dazhe Alexplore ne delal - ispisal 2 stranicy utwer-
zhdenijami ot moego imeni, kotorye idiotskije i kotoryh ja dazhe blizko ne delal.
Kstati, posle togo, kak on reshil "starat'sja intelligentno", ja emu na etom
zhe urowne i otwetil. A ty kak, wse eshe podbadriwaesh' bedolagu, mol
wsjakie Maziny s govnom s'edjat? Ne bojsja, on mne nadoel, bol'she ne tronu.
>
>
>Vladimir
>
Igor Mazin
Primerno tak. Tepr' sam skazhi chestno - mne tebja w samom dele
zaodno s etim Lehoj derzhat'? Togda u nas razgowor konchen.
Igor Mazin
>
> O tom , chto sushestvovali kvoty na kolichestvo studentov evrejskoj
> natsional'nosti, ja znayu ne ponaslyshke. Te zhe samye dorevolyutsion-
> nie 5 % (ili skol'ko tam bylo?). To, chto ja nablyudal: pri odinakovom
Smotrja gde. W bol'shinstwe mest bylo 2% (po perepisi). W nekotoryh mestah
0% (nol'). W1971 g. w Moskwe eto buli (iz tehnicheskih) fizfak, VMK, MIFI,
MIEM. W nekotoryh wuzah kwota real'no woobshche ne sobljudalas' - MISIS,
MIIT, MINHiGP. Wprochem i tam gde byl 0%, koe-kto prosachiwal'saj, obychno
deti prof-pred sostawa, tak chto real'no 0 nado brat' kak <1.
GI...@delphi.com
> Tak ty, ... , esche i hanzha. Ya tebe konechno i bez mata
> populyarno ob'yasnyu, kto ty takoj. Naprimer mogu skazat', chto
Ja dumal i vpravdu Vy smozhete chto-libo ob'jasnit' bez mata, an net,
intellekta vidimo ne khvatilo. Synok, ne nuzhno tak uzh ubivat'sja! Eto delo
nazhivnoe. Gljadish, let cherez pjat'-shest' nauchites' razgovarivat' vpolne
tsivilizovanno. Vy sluchaem ne rjadom s zooparkom prozhivaete? Pozhalejte
sebja, nel'zja zhe stol'ko vremeni v obez'jannike provodit'!
> Ili mozhesh' pochitat'
> Sholom-Alejhema, naprimer.
Ja chital Sholom-Alejhema. Ydivitel'nyj pisatel'! Vekovaja mudrost' zalozhen
a
pochti v kazhdom slove! Na moj vzgljad on vnes v mirovuju literaturu ne
men'shij vklad, chem Graf Lev Nikolaevich Tolstoy. A Vy eto k chemu?
Neuzheli chitali? Junosha, Vy rastete bukval'no na glazakh! Vprochem, dumaju
dlja Vas podobnaja nagruzka prezhdevremenna. Mozhet byt' Vam dlja nachala,
chto-nibud' iz komiksov poprobovat'? Popozzhe mozhno budet i k Marshaku
perekhodit'. A voobsche to Vy uzhe delaete progress. Tol'ko podumat'-kazhdoe
sorokovoe predlozhenie bez mata! Ja prosto gorzhus' Vami!
GI...@delphi.com
> : >Evrej zasluzhenno
> : >sostawljali bol'shuju chast' redakcij w luchshih Rossijskih
>zhurnalah, : >pri tom chto evreev bylo 2% naselenija. Nichego
>udiwitel'nogo ili : >neprijatnogo dlja normal'nogo cheloweka, a ne
>fashista, kotoryj perwym : >delom lezet w shtany proverjat' stepen'
>obrezan- nosti, w tom chto : >redakcija amerikanskoj
>russkojazychnoj gazety, pri tom chto 80% : >russkogoworjashchih
>zdes' evrei, w osnownom sostoit iz evreev, NET.
> : Vot tak, poprostu, bez obinjakov, s legkoi ruki g-na Mazina vse my
> : javljaemsja nositeljami evrejskoj kul'tury! Chudny dela tvoi,
>Gospodi!
Da vot kak raz v predyduschem paragrafe. Ponachalu i ja tak podumal. Po
prostote dushevnoj ja ran'she schital, cho evrejskij narod dolzhen izuchat'
svoju kul'turu v osnovnom po evrejskim istochnikam. Frantsuzy, skazhem - po
frantsuzskim, nemtsy - po nemetskim i t.d. vkluchaja moj sobstvennyj narod.
An net, okazyvaetsja russkie dolzhny izuchat' svoju kul'tury opjat' zhe taki
po evrejskim istochnikam, poskol'ku "evrei zasluzhenno sostavljali bol'shuju
chast' redakcij w luchshih Rossijskih zhurnalah", i ochevidno ne tol'ko tam.
>Nu a pochemu eto evrey ne mozhet pisat' pesnyu pro russkih?
>Konechno, mozhet. A russkij mozhet pisat' pesnyu pro evreev. Da radi
>boga.
> : Chto vprochem ne udivitel'no.
> Nu v nature ne udivitel'no.
Tut dumaju Vy pravy, davno pora uzhe perestat' udivljatsja.
> - Igor.
--Aleksej.
Yulia Fridman
Igor Mazin <ma...@quartz.ciw.edu> wrote:
>In article <3grhhh$4...@its.hooked.net> maka...@hooked.net
>(Vladimir Makarkin) writes:
>>In article <01Feb95.05...@granite.ciw.edu>, ma...@quartz.ciw.edu
>>says...
>>>
>>
>>Hm,a vot tvoi tezka Shafarevich govorit,chto,naooborot,vo mnogih moskovskih
>>vuzah russkim rebyatam bilo trudno postupit' na fakul'teti,gde bol'shinstvo
>>prepodavatelei bili evrei.
>>
>>Pochemu ya dolzhen verit' Igoryu Mazinu,a ne Igoryu Shafarevichu?
>>A,znayu,znayu! Shafarevich-antisemit,da?
>
>Net, ne poetomu. A potomu chto on wret, a ja goworju prawdu.
>I dokazywat' ja tebe eto ne budu. Len', da i potom ty mne ne powerish',
>esli ja tebe rasskazhu wse, chto ja po etomu powodu. A znaju ja mnogo -
>po karjnej mere, pro WSE moskowskie wuzy i na 1971 plus minus dwa goda
>sezon. Pro drugije LICHNO ne znaju, no podozrewaju, chto nikakoj
>raznicy. A Sh. wret, i eto ne ego wina. On nezdorowyj (psihicheski)
>chelowek, esli by ty ego znal, ty by soglasilsja.
The statistics is well documented, published, whatever.
I think I can recite on the spot a dozen or two of the
problems given during the entering exams to the Jews
I know personally. Those problems are virtually
unsolvable. But that doesn't really matter, and
Makarkin's got a point.
You, Igor, recently pointed out to the GIFTed creature,
the one of the noble Polish blood, that 25 years ago
in Russia, given your passport, he would remain a
telegrapher forevermore. A good guess. Now, suppose
you, yourself, whatever ID-s attached, had been born
in, say, Jerusalem. Think you would have done better?
I mean, oppression is stimulating. Were it not,
Israel would be the most prosperous country in the
world, at least with the best science by now, and we
all know it's far from being the case.
If you think of it, you don't really have reasons
to complain. That is, if we assume that there was such
thing as The Right For Education, or indeed any other
human right, back in Russia those days, then you've got
plenty of them reasons. But there was not, not since
The Great October Revolution, and not before. Some
(Mr.Makarkin is probably among them) think that the
Revolution (which brought so many unjustices to the Jews
in the long run) was the Jews' fault, and that whatever
misfortune came to the said minority as a result was
well deserved. Anyway, isn't it rather inconsistent
to blame on the system that the stupid Russian boy was admitted
somewhere while the smart Jewish one was not? The system was
supposed to insure it, not to bring justice or whatever.
Besides, you've got your training. You've gained a
lot from it, although in the long run. And one doesn't
have to enter an Institute to get a decent education,
after all. On the contrary, it's often a sure way
to loose whatever brains you had in the beginning.
It's a shame they (or we?) massacred the smartest part
of Russian population, to finish the job by slowly
killing the remaining wits in the depths of their
(not ours, definitely) educational system. By the way,
best Russian students I know get kicked out from MGU or
whatever about as often as Jewish ones, only the Russian
ones get in first. Sometimes they are admitted to, say,
Harvard afterwards.
Yulia.
Alexander Burshteyn
Igor Mazin <ma...@quartz.ciw.edu> wrote:
>Smotrja gde. W bol'shinstwe mest bylo 2% (po perepisi). W nekotoryh mestah
>0% (nol'). W1971 g. w Moskwe eto buli (iz tehnicheskih) fizfak, VMK, MIFI,
>MIEM. W nekotoryh wuzah kwota real'no woobshche ne sobljudalas' - MISIS,
>MIIT, MINHiGP. Wprochem i tam gde byl 0%, koe-kto prosachiwal'saj, obychno
>deti prof-pred sostawa, tak chto real'no 0 nado brat' kak <1.
Gde-to v nachale 80-kh godov odna evreyskaya devushka iz kievskoy 145-oy
shkoly sluchayno postupila na mekhmat MGU. Nu tak ey potom prishlos'
publichno skazat', chto, mol, sovsem evreev ne zazhimayut pri prieme i
chto vot ona tomu dokazatel'stvo. Natasha ee zvali, a familiyu ya zabyl.
Ey, ponyatnoe delo, prigrozili vsem, chem ugodno, esli ona etogo ne
skazhet, a kogda ona skazala, to naoborot, "gnilaya" intelligentsiya ot
nee otvernulas', chut' li ne boykot ustroila. To est', eto tak govoryat.
a mozhet, kto znaet, kak tam po nastoyashchemu delo bylo?
--
AB
******************
145 = 1! + 4! + 5!
Julia Genyuk
Alexander Burshteyn <abur...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> wrote:
>
>Gde-to v nachale 80-kh godov odna evreyskaya devushka iz kievskoy 145-oy
>shkoly sluchayno postupila na mekhmat MGU. Nu tak ey potom prishlos'
>publichno skazat', chto, mol, sovsem evreev ne zazhimayut pri prieme i
>chto vot ona tomu dokazatel'stvo. Natasha ee zvali, a familiyu ya zabyl.
>Ey, ponyatnoe delo, prigrozili vsem, chem ugodno, esli ona etogo ne
>skazhet, a kogda ona skazala, to naoborot, "gnilaya" intelligentsiya ot
>nee otvernulas', chut' li ne boykot ustroila. To est', eto tak govoryat.
>a mozhet, kto znaet, kak tam po nastoyashchemu delo bylo?
>
Naskol'ko ya slyshala, na mehmat ona popala, potomu chto uchastvovala
vo vsesoyuznoi olimpiade. I za to, chto ona eto skazala, ee obeschali
vzyat' v aspiranturu. Eta istoriya deistvitel'no razoshlas' ochen'
shiroko i vyzvala "narodnyi gnev". Devushka, govoryat, byla ochen'
horoshaya, no zapugannaya, i potom dolgo perezhivala po etomu povodu.
Familiyu ee ya znayu, no ne skazhu, poskol'ku srok davnosti vyshel.
Voobshe, chto za marazm, ustraivat' regulyarnye spory s antisemitami
na scs? Opyt pokazyvaet, chto ih vse ravno ne pereubedit',esli dazhe
oni privodyat svyaznye argumenty i tsitiruyut Toru, flamit'
ih neinteresno, poskol'ku oni etogo delat' ne umeyut, a intellektual'nogo
udovol'stviya ot takih sporov nikakogo. Esli u vas est' biser, gospoda,
neuzheli emu net luchshego primeneniya?
J
Simon Streltsov
: > Ili mozhesh' pochitat'
: > Sholom-Alejhema, naprimer.
: Ja chital Sholom-Alejhema. Ydivitel'nyj pisatel'! Vekovaja mudrost' zalozhen
: a
: pochti v kazhdom slove! Na moj vzgljad on vnes v mirovuju literaturu ne
: men'shij vklad, chem Graf Lev Nikolaevich Tolstoy. A Vy eto k chemu?
If you are right,then it id like "enough said" :
Sholom-Aleichem - although being probably the most readable author
and the most decent person among his generation of "maskilim"
(prosveschentzi, ne putat' (?) s moskali (-:) -
is, after all, a side show in the Jewish thought -
and in 100-200 years only few obscure researchers will probably hear
about the name.
And if you say that he gave to your "world" literature so much,
than I should probably get offline and go
back to the arguments of school of Hillel and school of Shammai...
Simcha, who increases in Adar
and decreases in Av
and speaks
Russian with Jewish accent
English with Russian accent
Hebrew with English accent
all year long
( and writes also)
Sergey Petrov
>...
>Kak bi to ni bilo,Igor', esli to chto s toboi
>bilo-pravda,sochustvuyu,chestnoe slovo.
>Tol'ko ne zabud',pozhaluista, chto dlya millionov pacanov iz sel'skih
>shkol,postupit' hot' kuda-nibut' bilo nevozmozhno voobshe.
>Iz- za otsutsviya uchitelei fiziku, nemeckii i literaturu im prepodaval
>voenruk,a on bil kontuzhennii.
>Tak chto vibor u nih bil ne mezhdu fiztehom i inyazom,a mezdu Severnim
>Flotom i Afganistanom,t.e. mezhdu zhiznyu i smertyu (i to ne sprashivali)
>Nehuevii rasklad,da?
>
>
>Vladimir
>
Simon Streltsov
: Voobshe, chto za marazm, ustraivat' regulyarnye spory s antisemitami
: na scs? Opyt pokazyvaet, chto ih vse ravno ne pereubedit',esli dazhe
A eto shto za diskriminatsiya takaya, Yul', a?
Nu ne lyubit chelivek evreev, nu i shto, teper'?
A ya vot koshek ne lyublyu, i liberalov - i ochen' obigayuc'
kogda my liberal friends say shto oni ne budut so mnoi drugit' ili
menya lyubit' iz za etogo (poslednee actual, ne pridumano).
Postav' sebya na mesto obichnogo a-little-antisemitic Russian
dage esli i grafskogo proishogdeniya:
priezzhaesh v US of A, neboskrebi - a vokrug odni evrei ....
da esche i russkimi sebya nazivayut...
a esche vnuki teh, kogo russkie 70 let nazad viperli -
teper' ves; holly-wood and wall-street okkupirovali -
russkimi, pravda, sebya uge ne nazivaya..
toge, obidno, Van' ....
: udovol'stviya ot takih sporov nikakogo. Esli u vas est' biser, gospoda,
: neuzheli emu net luchshego primeneniya?
Nu davaite ustroim konkurs - kto iz evreeev bol'she tzitat iz
Evangeliya privedet!
Chem graf'yov bit', za cebya b postidilic'
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L.V.Bystrykh
>
>>In artikle: 31Jan95.02...@granite.ciw.edu> Igor Mazin nam povedal:
>
>
>>Hm,a vot tvoi tezka Shafarevich govorit,chto,naooborot...
>
> O tom , chto sushestvovali kvoty na kolichestvo studentov evrejskoj
>
>>Tol'ko ne zabud',pozhaluista, chto dlya millionov pacanov iz sel'skih
>>shkol,postupit' hot' kuda-nibut' bilo nevozmozhno voobshe.
>
> shaya dubina ( Kostinu - (-8 ), na eto delo u nih tozhe kvoty byli. I
> eshe. Kto, interesno, uchilsya v fiz.-mat. internatah. Ne te li "paca-
> ny" ? Konechno, v "derevne" bylo poxuzhe, no govorit' o "nevozmozhnos-
> ti" tozhe ne nado.
>
>
> Zhikharev.
Voobsche, krome "russkih" i "evreev" (chto byl obraz sobiratjel'nyj- ne spor'te)
byli i drugie kvoty (po krajnej mere v nashem uglu): na mal'chikov - devochek,
sel'skih i rabfakovtzev. Ja postupal na biofak, gde 90% studentov byli devochki.
Tak vsje-taki esli mal'chik chto-to kak-to znal- to emu otdavali predpochtenie.
Sredi rabfakovtzev byli neplohije rebjata, no i duby- tozhe. A hochu ja skazat',
chto chestnomu cheloveku vsegda bylo trudno vsje eto ponjat. A kogda vy svorachivajete
vsje sovetskoje bezumije k antisemitizmu... i skuchno i grustno, i nekomu ruku pozhat'.
T.e. poluchajetsja poljarnyj effect: semity i antisemity kak dva sapoga- para.
I voobsche, rebjata i devchata, pozhalujsta menjajte vyveski pochasche, chtoby legche bylo
otbrasyvat' ne chitaja.
Vnutrennij golos: "A ty chitaj, chitaj eto samoje g***"
Lenja
Julia Genyuk
>Julia Genyuk (gen...@math.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>
>: Voobshe, chto za marazm, ustraivat' regulyarnye spory s antisemitami
>: na scs? Opyt pokazyvaet, chto ih vse ravno ne pereubedit',esli dazhe
>
>A eto shto za diskriminatsiya takaya, Yul', a?
>Nu ne lyubit chelivek evreev, nu i shto, teper'?
>
>A ya vot koshek ne lyublyu, i liberalov - i ochen' obigayuc'
>kogda my liberal friends say shto oni ne budut so mnoi drugit' ili
>menya lyubit' iz za etogo (poslednee actual, ne pridumano).
>
ya ih lyublyu i zhaleyu. Ya govoryu, chto ne nado s nimi na evreiskie
temy razgovarivat'. A na kakie drugie, otvlechennye - s udovol'stviem,
esli oni smogut otvlech'sya, konechno...
>Postav' sebya na mesto obichnogo a-little-antisemitic Russian
>dage esli i grafskogo proishogdeniya:
>priezzhaesh v US of A, neboskrebi - a vokrug odni evrei ....
>da esche i russkimi sebya nazivayut...
Nu, esli u nih ot USA takie tyagostnye vpechatleniya, to v Izrail'
ih puskat' prosto nel'zya iz gumanisticheskih soobrazhenii.
>
>Nu davaite ustroim konkurs - kto iz evreeev bol'she tzitat iz
>Evangeliya privedet!
>
>Chem graf'yov bit', za cebya b postidilic'
>
Eto ya ne ponyala. Chego stydit'sya? Tsitat iz Evangeliya? A iz
Kafki mozhno? A iz Egora Isaeva?
J
Vladimir Makarkin
>
>I
>
>Kak raz normalnomu russkomu cheloveku eto ne pokajetsya strannim.
Normalniy
>russkiy chelovek (da vprochem i luboy normalnuy chelovek) voobche ne budet
>daje interesovatsya kakoy natsionalnosti byli te, kto napisal etu pesnu.
>Da i ne tolko pesnu. Da i voobche kakoe imeet zanchenie tsvet, krov',
vero-
>ispovedovanie i t.d. cheloveka, kotoriy kakim-libo obrazom popolnyaet
>kulturu obchestva... Nu, normalniy chelovek eto i sam znaet...
>Drugoe delo, russofob-antisemit. Emu naverno skoro pokajetsya strannym
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
, pochemu
>A.C. Pushkin schitaetsya velikim russkim poetom...
>
A eto chto za zver' takoi? Ili ti hotel skazat' rusofil-antisemit?
A teper' predstav': Ya nazivayu kogo-to sionist-rusofob.Skol'ko chelovek mne
ob'yasnyat' nachnut, chto sionist i rusofob -dve bol'shie raznici,i v odno
slovo ih ob'edinat' nel'zya? Tak kakogo zhe huia ti rusofila i antisemita v
kuchu valish?
Tak-to,Leo,normal'nii russkii chelovek.
Vladimir
Boris A. Veytsman
>
>AFAIR, norma - ona potomy i nazivalas' "protsentnaya", because it
>was 1%.
>
>A to ti skagesh, shto 50% eto toge "protsentnaya norma" (-:
>
AFAIK, it was called "protsentnaya" even in Tsar
time when it was 5%. By the rules of Russian language
"protsentnaya" means here the way of calculation;
Cf "protsentnyy sostav voennosluzhashih sleduyushchiy:..."
This discussion reminded me a real story. Acting
Dean of Phys Dept of Odessa University (by the long
tradition a rather stupid person) went to the summer
student camp to inspect the situation. He took the
list of students and began the roll call. Some time
before this event a student Vanya Russkih married
another Phys student, Ira, and she took his name,
becoming Ira Russkih. So Acting Dean reads "Russkih",
and Vanya answers "Here". He goes a line further -
and once again reads "Russkih". Ira answers "Here".
Perplexed and surprised AD asks: "Kak? Dvoe Russkih
na fakul'tete?"... He was not able to finish this
roll call...
Good luck
-Boris
Boris A. Veytsman
Fridman) says:
>
>I mean, oppression is stimulating. Were it not,
>Israel would be the most prosperous country in the
>world, at least with the best science by now, and we
>all know it's far from being the case.
>
It reminds me an anecdote. In a school in pre-1917
Russia some teacher was known as Anti-Semite. Well,
the principal found out that whenever he asks a Jew
his lesson (one of the 5% Jews in the school), he
listens a minute, and interrupts him with the words
"Sit down, excellent". On the other hand, Russians
in his class work hard even for satisfactory grades.
The principal asked the teacher "I know you are
definitely not a Judophile. Why so strange behavior?"
"I want THEM to grow up morons", answered the teacher.
Good luck
-Boris
Igor Chudov
: Hm,a vot tvoi tezka Shafarevich govorit,chto,naooborot,vo mnogih moskovskih
: vuzah russkim rebyatam bilo trudno postupit' na fakul'teti,gde bol'shinstvo
: prepodavatelei bili evrei.
: Pochemu ya dolzhen verit' Igoryu Mazinu,a ne Igoryu Shafarevichu?
: A,znayu,znayu! Shafarevich-antisemit,da?
Vova,
Ty luchshe nikomu ne ver', a sprosi teh, kto uchilsa na mehmate v 1975-1986
godah, oni tebe podtverdyat, chto Mazin prav. No ja boyus', chte tebe
eto budet bespolezno.
A horosho chto ty tut v Amerike... Tut ty nikomu ne opasen, i nikogo, v
obschem, i ubedit' ne smozhesh.
- Igor.
Igor Chudov
: Sporu net, NRS gazeta plohaya. Kstati, mnogie moi druz'ya,
: kak russkie, tak i evrei, ee inache kak "Novoe Zhidovskoe
: Slovo" ne nazyvayut. No ne v etom sut'. Sut' v mahrovom
: antisemitisme GIFTa i zlovonii ispuskaemom im v etoj newsgroup.
: Ya vsegda schital, chto eto nuzhno vyzhigat' kalenym zhelezom.
Da nu bros' ty, to, chto Alex Iatkovski javnyj mudak (sudia po ego
polubessmyslennym postam), nesmotria na to, chto ego dalekie predki
byli dvoryanami, eshe ne znachit, chto ego nado vyzhigat'
kalenym zhelezom. Tut v Amerike, v otlichie ot Rossii, duraki sami
otseivajutsa v processe estestvennogo otbora.
Rasslab'tes', druzia, takih, kak on, nado ne vyzhigat', a prosto
zasluzhenno osmeivat'. I ne puskat' v prilichnye mesta. Kogda u menia
budet svoja firma, naprimer, ja Iatkovskogo k sebe dazhe pol
podmetat' by ne vzyal.
- Igor.
Igor Chudov
: In article: <3gpfun$o...@explorer.clark.net> ro...@clark.net wrote:
: > Tak ty, ... , esche i hanzha. Ya tebe konechno i bez mata
: > populyarno ob'yasnyu, kto ty takoj. Naprimer mogu skazat', chto
: Ja dumal i vpravdu Vy smozhete chto-libo ob'jasnit' bez mata, an net,
: intellekta vidimo ne khvatilo. Synok, ne nuzhno tak uzh ubivat'sja! Eto delo
: nazhivnoe. Gljadish, let cherez pjat'-shest' nauchites' razgovarivat' vpolne
: tsivilizovanno. Vy sluchaem ne rjadom s zooparkom prozhivaete? Pozhalejte
: sebja, nel'zja zhe stol'ko vremeni v obez'jannike provodit'!
: > Ili mozhesh' pochitat'
: > Sholom-Alejhema, naprimer.
: Ja chital Sholom-Alejhema. Ydivitel'nyj pisatel'! Vekovaja mudrost' zalozhen
: a
: pochti v kazhdom slove! Na moj vzgljad on vnes v mirovuju literaturu ne
: men'shij vklad, chem Graf Lev Nikolaevich Tolstoy. A Vy eto k chemu?
: Neuzheli chitali? Junosha, Vy rastete bukval'no na glazakh! Vprochem, dumaju
: dlja Vas podobnaja nagruzka prezhdevremenna. Mozhet byt' Vam dlja nachala,
: chto-nibud' iz komiksov poprobovat'? Popozzhe mozhno budet i k Marshaku
: perekhodit'. A voobsche to Vy uzhe delaete progress. Tol'ko podumat'-kazhdoe
: sorokovoe predlozhenie bez mata! Ja prosto gorzhus' Vami!
Alex, vsya tvoja statja lishena malejshego smysla. Vmesto togo, chtoby
otvetit' svoemu opponentu, ty prosto nakidal kuchku detskih oskorblenij.
Tebya tut nazyvajut idiotom ne potomu, chto ty russkij ili antisemit (kak
ty navernoe, a potomu, chto ty glup. No ty etogo, konechno, ne pojmesh:)
- Igor.
Igor Chudov
: Da vot kak raz v predyduschem paragrafe. Ponachalu i ja tak podumal. Po
: prostote dushevnoj ja ran'she schital, cho evrejskij narod dolzhen izuchat'
: svoju kul'turu v osnovnom po evrejskim istochnikam. Frantsuzy, skazhem - po
: frantsuzskim, nemtsy - po nemetskim i t.d. vkluchaja moj sobstvennyj narod.
: An net, okazyvaetsja russkie dolzhny izuchat' svoju kul'tury opjat' zhe taki
: po evrejskim istochnikam, poskol'ku "evrei zasluzhenno sostavljali bol'shuju
: chast' redakcij w luchshih Rossijskih zhurnalah", i ochevidno ne tol'ko tam.
Esli pisatel' pishet po russki o Rossii dlia russkih chitatelej, to on vnosit
vklad v russkuju kul'turu. Eto ne tak trudno ponyat. Primer: Gogol' ili
Pasternak.
Esli drugoj (ili tot zhe ) pishet o evreyah i dlia evreev (Sholom Aleihem) -
ego tvorchestvo otnositsa k evreyskoj kul'ture.
A natsional'nost' ego k etomu imeet ochen' slaboe otnoshenie. Kstati,
kul'turu nado ne "izuchat'", a priobretat' ili luchshe sozdavat'.
Kstati, poprobyj v Germanii skazat', chto nemtsy dolzhny "izuchat'
nemetskuju kul'turu po nemetskim istochnikam". Pust' Igor Mazin tebe
populiarno objasnit, chto tvoim slovam tam ne obradujutsa.
A ne obradijutsa tam potomu, chto znajut, do chego doveli nemcev takie
vzglyady. Tak kak ja lyublyu svoju Rodinu Rossiju, ja by ne notel, chtoby
u nee byli neprijatnosti.
- Igor.
Igor Chudov
Verbitskogo.
- Igor.
Yulia Fridman (verb...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
: In article <03Feb95.02...@granite.ciw.edu>,
Iouri Sorkine
:
: Naskol'ko ya slyshala, na mehmat ona popala, potomu chto uchastvovala
: vo vsesoyuznoi olimpiade. I za to, chto ona eto skazala, ee obeschali
: vzyat' v aspiranturu. Eta istoriya deistvitel'no razoshlas' ochen'
: shiroko i vyzvala "narodnyi gnev". Devushka, govoryat, byla ochen'
: horoshaya, no zapugannaya, i potom dolgo perezhivala po etomu povodu.
: Familiyu ee ya znayu, no ne skazhu, poskol'ku srok davnosti vyshel.
Vygliadit ne ochen' pravdopodobno. Ya ne znaiu dostoverno pravil,
dejstvovavshih v 80-h, no horosho znakom s etoj temoj v 70-h. V iyule
provodilis' odnovremenno mezhdunarodnye olimpiady i ekzameny v Moskovskom
i Leningradskom universitetah, poetomu dejstvoval prikaz Ministra
prinimat' v eti universitety uchastnikov mezhdunarodnyh olimpiad bez
ekzamenov. Uchastie i dazhe pobeda na vsesoiuznoj olimpiade ne davali
kakih-libo privilegij. Na mezhdunarodnuiu olimpiadu mogli prosto ne
pustit', kak eto bylo so mnoj v 1976 posle 1-go mesta na Vserossijskoj.
Poslednij sluchaj priema "nezhelatel'nogo" abiturienta na osnovanii teh
pravil, byl naskol'ko ya pomniu, v 1975, Dmitriy Leshchiner.
Yuri Sorkin
Iouri Sorkine
: Rasslab'tes', druzia, takih, kak on, nado ne vyzhigat', a prosto
: zasluzhenno osmeivat'. I ne puskat' v prilichnye mesta. Kogda u menia
: budet svoja firma, naprimer, ja Iatkovskogo k sebe dazhe pol
: podmetat' by ne vzyal.
Eh-h-h, rano tebe svoyu firmu derzhat'. Zasudyat za diskriminaciyu. :-)
Yuri
GI...@delphi.com
In article: <3h0o1t$6...@iii1.iii.net> Igor Chudov wrote:
> Esli pisatel' pishet po russki o Rossii dlia
> russkih chitatelej, to on vnosit vklad v russkuju kul'turu. Eto ne tak
> trudno ponyat. Primer: Gogol' ili Pasternak.
Vot i priekhali! A komu zdes', interesno, 'eto ne ponjatno? Mne, chto li?
Tak ja tut ne dalee, kak paru dnej nazad ob'jasnjal odnomu out of the wall
finnu, chto A.S.Pushkin ne efiopskij literator, a velikij russkij poet. Mogu
pribavit' k etomy spisku takzhe i Akhmatovu, Mandel'shtama, Tsvetaevu i
massu drugikh ludej, chej vklad v russkuju kul'turu trudno pereotsenit'. No
vse eto ne imeet nikakogo otnoshenija k redaktsii "NRS". Chje rukovodstvo
neodnokratno publichno zajavljalo o tom, cho oni javljautsja v pervuju
ochered' predstaviteljami velikoj evrejskoj kul'tury Ashkinazi a uzh zatem
vykhodtsami iz byvshego Sovetskogo Sojuza, prichem v osnovnom ne iz Rossii.
Oni dogovorilis' uzhe do togo, chto oni javljautsya edinstvennymi po suti
khraniteljami i naslednikami evrejskoj kul'tury, poskol'ku gosudarstvo
Israil', po ikh slovam sostoit v osnovnom iz mutantov i vsyo bolee i bolee
prevraschaetsja v arabskuju stranu, v etoj gazete postojanno pojavljajutsj
reklamnye soobschenija NAYNA (chisto evrejskaja organizatsija). A Vy
vstrechali na ejo stranitsakh khotja by upominanie o Tolstovskom Fonde? A
izvesten Vam naprimer takoj fakt, kogda v proshlom godu v Kanade byli
posazheny v tjur'mu 16 russkikh morjakov, u kotorykh poprostu ne bylo deneg,
chtoby vyekhat' v Rossiju. Predstavitely Tolstovskogo Fonda pytalis' dat'
ob'javlenie o sbore sredstv cherez etu gazetjonku. Eta "Russkaja gazeta"
zaprosila s nikh okolo 1,5 tysjachi $$$!!! Tolstovskiy Fond, razumeetsja
izyskal drugie vozmozhnosti pomoch' russkim morjakam. I vot teper', kogda ja
skazal, chto mne ne ponjatno, pochemu eta gazeta nazyvaetsya russkoi, Vy
i Vam podobnye spustili na menja kuchu sobak. Shame on you!
> Kstati, poprobyj v Germanii skazat', chto nemtsy dolzhny "izuchat'
> nemetskuju kul'turu po nemetskim istochnikam". Pust' Igor Mazin tebe
> populiarno objasnit, chto tvoim slovam tam ne obradujutsa.
> A ne obradijutsa tam potomu, chto znajut, do chego doveli nemcev takie
> vzglyady. Tak kak ja lyublyu svoju Rodinu Rossiju, ja by ne notel,
> chtoby u nee byli neprijatnosti.
> - Igor.
Ja ne dumaju, chtoby Igor Mazin mog skazat' podobnuju erundu, on dlja etogo
dostatochno khorosho obrazovan. Ja ne znaju ochen' khorosho situatsiju v
Germanii, no ja ne sovetoval by Vam utverzhdat' v nemetskom krugu, chto im
neobkhodimo izuchat nemetskuju kul'turu po evreiskim istochnikam. Dumaju,
chto Vas ne pojmut i tam. Mne nachinaet nravitsja nasha diskussija. Ja
vsegda schital, chto tol'ko v sporakh rozhdaetsya istina. Vazhno tol'ko
vesti eti spory tsivilizovannym putem.
--Regards, Alex.
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Vlad Rutenburg
>Vot tak, poprostu, bez obinjakov, s legkoi ruki g-na Mazina vse my
>javljaemsja nositeljami evrejskoj kul'tury! Chudny dela tvoi, Gospodi! Stoit
>li udivljatsja tomu, chto te russkie, kotorye osmelivajutsja-taki izuchat'
>russkuju kul'turu ne po evrejskim istochnikam nikakogo drugogo epiteta
>krome fashisty v leksikone judofilstvujusshego Igorja Mazina ne
>zasluhzivaut. Nu da Bog emu sud'ja, k jurodivym na Rusi vsegda otnosilis' s
>sochustviem.
>Ja dopuskaju, chto u g-na Mazina bylo trudnoe detstvo, defitsit
>obrazovanija i isporchennaja genetika, chto ne moglo ne skazat'sja na ego
>umstvennykh sposobnostjakh.No, dumaju, chto dahze dlja ego intellectual'nogo
>urovnja vpolne dostupno ponimanie togo, chto russkomu cheloveku mohzet
>poprostu pokahzat'sja strannym takoj, naprimer, fakt,kogda dva evreja pishut
>pesnju pod nazvaniem "Khotjat li russkie vojny?"i umudrjajutsja poluchit' za
>eto Leninskuju premiju. Chto vprochem ne udivitel'no. Kak spravedlivo
>zametil g-n Mazin, zasedanija soveta Sojuza Pisatelej SSSR razve shto ne
>velos' na ivrite ili idishe, s ostal'nym bylo vse v porjadke!
Kak, dolzhno byt', tyazhelo zhit' antisemitam i prochim paranoidal'nym
kzenofobam! V detstve im prihodilos' slushat' pesni, napisannye ljud'mi
evereyskogo proishozhdenia, chitat' knigi, napisannye Il'fom,
Pasternakom, Mandel'shtamom i prochimi. Slushat' muzyku v ispolnenii
Oistrakha! O, kakoe muchenie! Nu nakonets, vybralsya na Zapad iz etogo
"okkupirovannogo zhidami Soyuza"! Nu, tepr' pozhivem bez "nikh"!
I vdrug... Tret' vsekh zapadnykh laureatov Nobelevskoy premipo nauke,
meditsine, ekonomike, dazhe literature - evrei! S uma soiti! Eto pri
tom, chto evrei sostavlyayut 0.3% ot naseleniya Zemli!
Samymi luchshimi i khrabrymi soldatami zdes' schitayutsa izrail'tyane, po
radio peredayut muzyku Malera, Rubinshteina, Gershvina, Koplanda,
Bernstaina... A pesni?! Chto ni avtor - to Berlin, Billy Joel, Elton
John! Tut hochesh' ne hochesh' a paranoikom stanesh'!
A pisateli?! Chto ni Iosif, to Brodskiy! Chto ni Sol, to Bellow! Chto ni
Isaak, to Azimov ili na hudoy konets Klifford Saymak! A uzh pro J.D
Salinger voobsche...
A shakhmaty... Da voobsche otmenit' etu igru nuzhno! Gorodkami zamenit'!
A tut esche odna svoloch' utverzhdaet, chto Xristos - tozhe evrey byl...
S uma svihnut'sa! I Bibliyu eti svolochi tozhe napisali. uuuuuuu.....
Nu, evrei - eto nam esche znakomo! A vot chto ni atlet ili dzhazist - to
cherniy! Tiazhelo! A kak kitaitsi i iapontsi zanimayutsa naukoy i
muzykoy! Svolochi! Tut lyuboy antisemit esche i rasistom stanet!
Chto, tiazhelo? tak ty luchsche chtob ne ogorchat'sa sam by chego-nibud'
dostig! Ili, esli ne hvataet trudoliubia ili talanta, men'she obraschay
vnimanie na natsional'nost' znamentykh lyudey. Men'she ogorcheniy budet.
>Pokhohze g-nu Mazinu (fu ty Gospodi, i sklizkaja hze familija!)
Premerzkaya familia! Ot slova "maz'"! Ne russkaya kakay-to! Ne to, chto
Iatskovskiy! Ili, skazhem, Shafarevich! Ot slov "Iatskik" i "shofar".
> destvitel'no
>nevdomek, chto my tut obsuhzdaem ne vozmohznosti evreev v Amerike voobsshe,
>a neskromnoe nazvanie russkojazychnoi gazety redaktiruemoj predstaviteljami
>chuhzdoj bol'shinstvu iz nas kul'tury.
Pravil'no ego! Ish' ty Andrey Sedykh, zhid parkhatiy! Byl redaktorom
Novogo Russkogo Slova s 1920 goda ili chto-to vrode etogo. Redaktorom
edinstvennoy russkoyazychnoy gazety v Amerike v to vremya. I tol'ko
potomu, chto eto edinstvennaya russkoyazychnaya gazeta v Amerike, eta
zhidovskaya morda nazvala svoyu gazetu "russkoe slovo"! Eto vrode kak
budto russkimi slovami pishet v etoy gazete! Vrun! Da tam vsya gazeta -
iskliuchitel'no na ivrite i idishe napisana! I estestvenno! Potomu, chto
i chitalteli v to vremya byli vse takie zhe: russkie aristokraty,
knyaz'ya, ofitsery Beloy Armii, intelligenty i prochei evrei! I
estestvenno, chto im Sedykh nravilsya, i ne vozrazhali oni! Potomu. chto
aristokraty, intelligenty gnilye! Shval'!
No konchilos' ikh vremya! Teper' vmesto aristokratov - lyumpeny tipa
Iatskovskogo. I oni ne pozvolyat zhidam i intelligentam i ofitseram Beloy
Armii pritvoryat'sa, chto po-russki pishut! Ili menyayte nazvanie gazety
na "Novoe Evreysko-Dvoryanskoe Slovo", ili uvolit' vsekh zhidov k
chertiam sobach'im! Prichem chistotu krovi do sed'mogo pokolenia
prover'at'! po kompiutoru!
> Otmechu, cto u nas net podobnykh
>pretenzij k tselomu rjadu drugikh NY-kikh izdaniy, kak, naprimer, vpolne
>prilichnaja gazeta "Evrejskij Mir" vykhodjaschaja v NY na russkom jazyke.
>Speshu Vas razocharovat', mister Mazin. Russkaja kul'tura NIKOGDA ne
>prevratitsja v "Novuju Russkuju Kul'turku" (NRS), kak by Vam etogo ne
>khotelos'!
Pravil'no! Davno pravdu nado bylo skazat' pro etikh tak nazyvaemykh
"evreyskikh vkladchikov v russkuiu kul'turu"! A pravda-to v tom, chto
kazhdyj etot "vkladchik" - tainyj agent sionizma! Vot Levitan,
utverzhdal, chto russkuiu prirodu pishet, svoloch'! A sam, nebos', vsyu
zhizn' v Palestine provel i risoval zhidovskie kiparisy isklyuchitel'no.
A potom za russkiy peyzazh vydaval, sterva!
A otets Men' ili Galich! Zhidomasony, svolochi! Liubvi k blizhnemu
uchili, soprotivlenyu Velikoy i Mudroy Kommunisticheskoy Partii voobsche
i Mudrym Tovarischam Brezhnevu i Suslovu uchii, paskudy! A kogo oni
vmesto Mudrogo I Velikogo Tovarischa Suslova predlagali? Iisusa iz
Nazareta i Ierushalaima predlagali, paskudy! Zhidu, znachit, molitsa!
Zhidovskuyu Bibliu chitat', paskudy! narod ot suslovschiny i iazychestva
v zhido-khristianskuiu veru obraschat'!
A uzh tam Pasternak ili Eizenshtein ili Mandel'shtam - tak eto vaaasche!
Narodu ne nuzhny nezdorovye sensatsii! Narodu nuzhny zdorovye sensatsii!
A Pushkin! Negr da i tol'ko! Zapretit' Pushkina i Mandel'shtama! Narod
dolzhen Pikulia i Astaf'eva chitat'!
A plenki Vysotskogo - vse razorvat' (po krainey mere, napolovinu!).
Vmesto nego iskliuchitel'no Tal'kova slushat'! Vo vse dyrki!
Nu, byvay, tsenitel' isskustva!
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> / | | \ | GI...@delphi.com
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Bruklin? Mdaaaa....
Vlad Rutenburg
[pro GITFa]
>A ved' on s vami intelligentno staraetsya govorit. Chtozh vi za lyudi-to
>takie?
Da, ne lyudi my! Kak ran'she v pogromah ubivali nas, tak i teper' nado!
Ne liudi my! I ubivat' nas ne zhalko. Bej zhidov, spasaj Rossyu!
A vot podumaj: kogda kto-to intelligentno tak krichit: "Ubivaj
mnogouvazhaemyh gospod evreev, spasay liubimuiu Rossiyu!", to luchshe by
on neintelligentno otrygnul: "mne vse zhidovskie voprosy - po huyu, ia
ebal politiku v zad, poshli vyp'em!"
Tak chto, ne v forme sut', a v soderzhaniii. Da, Iatskovskiy matom ne
rugaetsya, slova u nego vse intelligentnye. Da tol'ko znaniya u nego -
kak u "high school dropout", a smysl rechey ego, kak u tvoego
Shafarevicha: "vot vam spisok evreyskih prestupleniy, vot kak oni
sobirayutsya unichtozhit' russkiy narod, a uzh "bey zhidov, spasay
Rossiyu vy same krichite. Ia tut ni pri chem. Moya mysl' - u evreev odna
tsel' v zhizni: unichtozhit' russkih. dazhe evrei v Avstralii noch'iu ne
spiat, vse kak russkih unichtozhit' mechtayut. A ya - tak ya schitayu,
chto vy sami dodumaetes', chto nuzhno s evreyami sdelat', chtoby oni
perestali russkih unichtozhat'"
Nu, sholom tebe s alehemom!
Vlad Rutenburg
> O tom , chto sushestvovali kvoty na kolichestvo studentov evrejskoj
> natsional'nosti, ja znayu ne ponaslyshke. Te zhe samye dorevolyutsion-
> nie 5 % (ili skol'ko tam bylo?).
Kakie 5%? 1 ili 2! Kak na fiztehe.
Vlad Rutenburg
>Vladimir Makarkin (maka...@hooked.net) wrote:
>: Hm,a vot tvoi tezka Shafarevich govorit,chto,naooborot,vo mnogih moskovskih
>: vuzah russkim rebyatam bilo trudno postupit' na fakul'teti,gde bol'shinstvo
>: prepodavatelei bili evrei.
>: Pochemu ya dolzhen verit' Igoryu Mazinu,a ne Igoryu Shafarevichu?
>: A,znayu,znayu! Shafarevich-antisemit,da?
Da. I on sam etogo ne ochen' skryvaet. Ego Molchanov sprashivaet: "Eto
pravda, chto Vy schitaete, chto evrei nenavidyat russkih?"
A Shafarevich
emu: "Da. I kak matematicheskoe dokazatel'stvo togo, chto vse evrei
nenavidyat russkih, posmotrite na Vasilia Grossmana. Vy chitali ego
knigi?"
Molchanov: "Da, chital. Ochen' mnogo glubokih myslej. Tol'ko chto-to
nichego antirusskogo ne zametil..."
Shafarevich zakipaet.
Samyj bol'shoj tsimes vsego etogo dialoga - eto to, chto po
untverzhdeniyu odnogo spetsialista, Grossman - ne evrej, a nemets.
>Vova,
>A horosho chto ty tut v Amerike... Tut ty nikomu ne opasen, i nikogo, v
>obschem, i ubedit' ne smozhesh.
Mozhet byt'. No samo ego suschestvovanie navevaet tosku: a skol'ko esche
takih kzenofobov i antisemitov hodit po Rusi? I chto budet, esli oni
pridut k vlasti? Vot chto strashno!
Simon Streltsov
: maka...@hooked.net (Vladimir Makarkin) writes:
: [pro GITFa]
: >A ved' on s vami intelligentno staraetsya govorit. Chtozh vi za lyudi-to
: >takie?
It is an attitude problem, IMHO,
ppl (lyudi) assume that others have the same information as they do,
and also think that what they know is true just by the virtue that
this is what they saw or heard, or think.
Therefore, the only explanation for the oppositte side is
"stupidity".
Seny
Simon Streltsov
: chto esli tam zamenit "mirovoi kommunism" na "mirovoi sionism i burzh.
: imperialism", a "veliki evreiskii narod" na "veliki russkii narod"
: to poluchitsya "Pravda". Ponimat' nado, chto eto immigranty uehavshie
: esche do 1989, with soviet mentality. Tam oni slavili Kommunizm,
: a zdes' - Evreiskuu kul'turu, kotoruu ne znaut i znat' ne mogut.
Da chego vi nakinulis' na bednuyu gazetky ?!
da i ische i sprikidami : "oni esche do 1989 goda uehali.."
mogno podumat' - the best way to loose "soviet mentality" is
to sit in "Pravda" till 1990, instead of emigrating to "NRS".
Den'gi oni berut ot vseh : Alexy ne nravit'sya NAYNA (pochemy kstati?),
tak oni i from Jews for J*s*s baal'shie den'gi berut -
these people are offending not only for Jews, but mostly for
Xians - the ones, who want to exist peacefully, and even for ones,
who think that Judaism is the "golden calf" irself - as Alex's
teachers. Imagine, alex - they told me, that I can out my tfilin,
and keep my Shabbos, and do everything else, but just believe
in Jesus in addition, and I'll be OK - isn't it a joke on your
religion?
Re: "Russian" - it is probably a confusion on American realities:
a. "Russian" does not mean "ethnicity" for many ppl here - as well
as "Jewish". THere are - and were - people around who say they
are Germans of Jewish faith. It may sound ridiculous for other
Germans and Jews, but it is not a reason to get offended.
b. how about a parallel - a Bible? Ask most Eurpeans and their
first thought is that it is a Xian book. Why? Because a mojority
of people who talk about it are Xians.
It does sound funny for Jews though.
the same way as majority of Russian-speaking ppl in Us are/were
Jews, it is natural that are the first customers of "NRS" -
after all, the newspaper exist on the money of subscribers,
not on the words in the title.
As to the offense real Russian ppl have to Jews pretending to be
the part of Russian culture :
you should take responsibility for forced assimilation that
gave birth to this subculture of Jews, who dont know who they are.
Senya
Pertsel Vladimir
A vot u menya vopros: protestoval li kto-nibyd' protiv
zasil'ya v russkoj kul'ture \efiopov? Ili avtor "Mednogo
vsadnika" v \etom otnoshenii menee opasen, chem avtory
pesenki "V lesu rodilas' Yolochka"? (Iosif/Ezhi Peterburgski
-- M. Iordan'ski). Mne tut kak raz prishel announcement,
kotoryj yavno dolzhen zainteresovat' vseh, rabotayushchih
nad \etoj problemoj.
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> In artikle: 31Jan95.02...@granite.ciw.edu> Igor Mazin nam povedal:
>
> >sostawljali bol'shuju chast' redakcij w luchshih Rossijskih zhurnalah,
> >pri tom chto evreev bylo 2% naselenija. Nichego udiwitel'nogo ili
> >neprijatnogo dlja normal'nogo cheloweka, a ne fashista, kotoryj perwym
> >delom lezet w shtany proverjat' stepen' obrezan- nosti, w tom chto
> >redakcija amerikanskoj russkojazychnoj gazety, pri tom chto 80%
> >russkogoworjashchih zdes' evrei, w osnownom sostoit iz evreev, NET.
> Vot tak, poprostu, bez obinjakov, s legkoi ruki g-na Mazina vse my
> javljaemsja nositeljami evrejskoj kul'tury!
Hi, let's try to understand what's happening with this GIFT of FATE.
The fact that jews used to be overrepresented in the editorial boards has
absolutely nothing to do with "jewish culture". It reflects professional
preferences of a certain ethnic group. The culture those journals used to
produce is a 100% "kosher" Russian culture.
>Chudny dela tvoi, Gospodi! Stoit
> li udivljatsja tomu, chto te russkie, kotorye osmelivajutsja-taki izuchat'
> russkuju kul'turu ne po evrejskim istochnikam
Why "osmelivayutsya"? Is someone prohibiting to use any sources for learning
about Russian culture. What is "evrejskie istochniki"? The sources can be good
or bad, boring or intriguing, honest or faked. There is no division into
"Jewish" and "French" e.g...
> nikakogo drugogo epiteta
> krome fashisty v leksikone judofilstvujusshego Igorja Mazina ne
Why "judofil'stvuyuschego"? Just a month ago Igor was critisizing Israel on
SCS. BTW, what could "judophilia" mean applied to a Jew? Igor' is a Jew and
being Judophilic is trivial for him. Just like being Francofile is natural for
french.
> zasluhzivaut. Nu da Bog emu sud'ja, k jurodivym na Rusi vsegda otnosilis' s
> sochustviem.
Igor' vovse ne jurodivyj. Da i Vy ne na Rusi, sudar' moj.
> Ja dopuskaju, chto u g-na Mazina bylo trudnoe detstvo, defitsit
> obrazovanija
Net. Ya posmotrel ego raboty. Deficita obrazovaniya i kvalifikacii ne
nablyudaetsya. Ne veshajte lyudyam lapshu na ushi.
> i isporchennaja genetika, chto ne moglo ne skazat'sja na ego
> umstvennykh sposobnostjakh.No, dumaju, chto dahze dlja ego intellectual'nogo
> urovnja vpolne dostupno ponimanie togo, chto russkomu cheloveku mohzet
> poprostu pokahzat'sja strannym takoj, naprimer, fakt,kogda dva evreja pishut
> pesnju pod nazvaniem "Khotjat li russkie vojny?"
Naiaktual'nejshij, kstati, dlya evreev vopros. Vpolne estestvenno, chto oni
pisali o tom, chto ikh volnovalo. Chto Vam, kak russkomu cheloveku, kazhetsya v
etom strannym?
kstati, neskol'ko sot tysyach evreev byli v 1941-1945 godu russkimi
soldatami i oficerami. tem iz nikh, kto dozhil do konca vojny, vskore nachali
ob'yasnyat' russkie cheloveki, chto eto ne tak, i oni bezrodnye kosmopolity.
Eto Vam strannym ne kazhetsya?
>i umudrjajutsja poluchit' za
> eto Leninskuju premiju.
ot gruzina. Nu i chto?
> Chto vprochem ne udivitel'no.
Dyk, ya ne ponyal Vas, podarochek, "stranno" Vam, ili "ne udivitel'no"?
>Kak spravedlivo
> zametil g-n Mazin,
A pochemu by vam ne nazyvat' ego "Dr.Mazin"?
> zasedanija soveta Sojuza Pisatelej SSSR razve shto ne
> velos' na ivrite ili idishe, s ostal'nym bylo vse v porjadke!
Razve Belov, Bondarev, Rasputin, Kochetov, Faddeev, sekretarsstvovavshie v SP
byli sposobny vyuchit', nu khotya by skazhem pol'skij, ne to chto ivrit?
> Udivitel'no
> drugoe. Te hze samye ludi segodnja raspuskajut bajki o jakoby imevshem mesto
> postojannom pritesnenii evreev v SSSR.
Bondarev ob etom rasskazyvaet? Prokhanov rasskazyvaet?
A chitaet ikh kto-nibud' v Rossii, nesmotrya na millionnye tirazhi?
Kuda tam "millionnye"!! Desyatimillionnye...
> Vprochem eto uhze drugaja tema.
> Pokhohze g-nu Mazinu (fu ty Gospodi, i sklizkaja hze familija!)
ne nravyatsya Vam russkie familii? S chego by eto?
> destvitel'no
> nevdomek, chto my tut obsuhzdaem ne vozmohznosti evreev v Amerike voobsshe,
> a neskromnoe nazvanie russkojazychnoi gazety redaktiruemoj predstaviteljami
> chuhzdoj bol'shinstvu iz nas kul'tury.
A chem zhe ono ne skromnoe: SLOVO-to dejstvitel'no RUSSKOE. Po-russki,
govoryu, pishut oni v svoej gazetke. Tak chto vse adekvatno. Tizdaen'te, drug
moj.
>Otmechu, cto u nas net podobnykh
chto znachit "u nas", vas chto, uzhe dvoe?
> pretenzij k tselomu rjadu drugikh NY-kikh izdaniy, kak, naprimer, vpolne
> prilichnaja gazeta "Evrejskij Mir" vykhodjaschaja v NY na russkom jazyke.
> Speshu Vas razocharovat', mister Mazin. Russkaja kul'tura NIKOGDA ne
> prevratitsja v "Novuju Russkuju Kul'turku" (NRS), kak by Vam etogo ne
> khotelos'!
A zachem Mazinu eto prevraschenie?
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Vadim
Dima Volodin
> d...@sprintlink.net (Dima Volodin) writes:
> >> Da i Mazin ya dumau pogoryachilsya prosto.
> >> Priamo kak v detskom sadu: "Moi papa tvoego sil'nei! Net, moi sil'nei!"
> >Freudovatyi takoi voprosec - a chego oni (golubye kroviu
> >i prorokovy potomki) _imenno tak_ goriachatsa? Nikak komplex
> >kakoi? I-eh, abusanyh detei mne tozhe zhalko...
> It's only natural for Jews to overereact.
> I voobsche dlya vseh. Vot sdes' chernye tozhe govoryat chto oni ne tol'ko ne
> huzhe, no dazhe i luchshe. Feminism -tuda zhe, uzhe dazhe ne ravenstvo hotyat,
> a s muzhchinami voobsche dela imet' ne hotim. Immigranty vse podryad govoryat
> naskol'ko ih kul'tyra luchshe ubogoi americanskoi kul'tury.
> Kak chto ne tol'ko oni, a voobsche eto dlya ludei
> harakterno - izlishne goryachitsya :)
Nu tak ne o tom-to rech'. Ya vot tozhe goriachus' mestami, no chtob tak
vot optom v govno kogo-nibud' zapisyvat' - nehorosho. Tem bolee -
otcam semeistva, kotorym nekotorye tut v detki godiatsa.
> Olya
Dima
--
"Wine is an unsophisticated drink. They just
stomp on grapes in their bare feet."
MJ
Igor Mazin
>chto-to tipa "Dlja rasistov ja - negr, a dlja antisemitov ja - evrej".
>Togda vse ponjatno.
"Babij Jar": .... I nenawisten zloboj zaskoruzloj ja wsem antisemitam,
kak evrej, i potomu - ja nastojashij russkij."
>
>pust' menja klejmjat pozorom te, kto schitajut, chto eto moveton ljubit'
>Evtushonku: mnogie ego veschi mne nravjatsja, v tom chisli i eto stihotvorenie.
Evtushenko byl klassnyj poet, kotiryj napisal mnogo der'ma.
>
>Tut, kstati, nedavno "So mnoju vot chto proishodit" postanuli, tak, svolochi,
>Evtushenku dazhe ne upomjanuli, kak budto eto i ne on napisal.
>
Wresh'. Ja upomjanul.
Vladimiar Makarkin
said:
>In article <3grhhh$4...@its.hooked.net>, Vladimir Makarkin
<maka...@hooked.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Tol'ko ne zabud',pozhaluista, chto dlya millionov pacanov iz sel'skih
>>shkol,postupit' hot' kuda-nibut' bilo nevozmozhno voobshe.
>
>>voenruk,a on bil kontuzhennii.
>
prepodaval.
>
>__
>RM
>
>
Da uzh,universitetov ne zakanchivali:(
A ti ne viebivaisya,pokazhi mne moi oshibki,ya ih i popravlyu.
Neuzheli tak ploho?
Vladimir
Peter Vorobieff
ver...@germain.harvard.edu spake thusly:
> I think you want to see me foaming in the mouth.
This event would not make me rejoice, for it is both too
sad and too frequent.
> I think that you are lying (or mislead) and should be
> ashamed of yourself. The reason is simple: I _knew_
> personally all Jews on mekh-math, in years of admission
> from about 1983-4 to 1988. Or at least I knew of them.
Sveta from the tourist club: darkish skin, dark eyes, hair cut short,
about five feet tall and very well fit. Now if you tell me she was an
illegitimate offspring of some mafia or academia big shit, _I_ won't
buy it even if you call Kilgore Trout and Lewis Padgett for witnesses.
--
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of One Robot and Seven Pigs.
DISCLAIMER: Opinions expressed in the article above, if any, are channeled from
the Fungi of Yuggoth and do not necessarily represent the views of
my other employers.
Vlad Rutenburg
>Just remembered an interesting, thought-provoking idea. It states,
>that the so-called (or ``defined-as-conventionally-perceived'')
>"Russian" vision of the world is synthetic. As compared
>to (``-"-, restrictions apply'') "Jewish'', which is supposed to
>be ``analytic.'' Thus if one specializes in imposing on itself
>these extremes, carried out to nonsensical self-importance, there
>are indeed two incompatible logic systems. It's really a funny
>observation, which opposes ``Russian healing synthesis'' to
>``Jewish destructive analysis.'' It easely gets generalized to see
>that the skill in math is mainly ``destructive reductions'', etc.
>But generally, children are more ``synthetic'' than adults,
>who indeed can succumb to self-destructing analysis
Maybe I am being thick, but could you please explain in more detail what
you mean by "synthetic" and "analytic"?
A related observation is that Jewish culture is "restrictive" as opposed
to many other cultures that are "prescriptive". That is, in Jewish law,
everything that is not clearly forbidden - is allowed. While most other
ancient cultures had the approach that "anything that is not clearly
allowed - is forbidden". Of course, modern Western law also takes the
"restrictive" approach. If you ask me, I consider the "restrictive"
apporach much less restrictive that the "prescriptive" one (pun
intended). Namely, under "prescriptive" approach you have to behave
exactly the way you are ordered. Nothing new can be invented because you
always have to do like others did before you. On the other hand the
"restrictive" approach tells you what NOT TO DO (Ten Commandments, "thou
shall not... kill, commit adultery, etc.) but gives you full freedom to
invent new things and behaviour. It is conducive to progress.
Vlad Rutenburg
>GI...@delphi.com writes:
>[..]
>>No, dumaju, chto dahze dlja ego intellectual'nogo
>>urovnja vpolne dostupno ponimanie togo, chto russkomu cheloveku mohzet
>>poprostu pokahzat'sja strannym takoj, naprimer, fakt,kogda dva evreja pishut
>>pesnju pod nazvaniem "Khotjat li russkie vojny?"i umudrjajutsja poluchit' za
>>eto Leninskuju premiju.
>[..]
>Hm, interesno. Ne pomnju, kto napisal muzyku, no stihi - Evtushenki.
>A on sam, kstati, znaet, chto on - evrej?
>Ah, da, vspomnil. U nego est' odno stihotvorenie, v k-rom on govorit
>chto-to tipa "Dlja rasistov ja - negr, a dlja antisemitov ja - evrej".
>Togda vse ponjatno.
A more (but not perfectly) exact quote is:
"Dlia vseh antisemitov - ia evrej, i potomu ia - nastojaschij russkij!".
Nu, i estestvenno, iatskovskie, pamyatchiki i drugie psevdorusskie
schitayut Evtushenko evreem.
Misha Verbitsky
>In article <3h926t$q...@decaxp.harvard.edu>,
>Misha Verbitsky <ver...@germain.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
>> Absolutely correct, Yulya G. article was full of CUNY.
> ^^^^
> What does it mean and should I be offended?
Please take it easy. I referred to Vulis .sig,
certainly one to be remembered. People forget
their heroes, no?
Misha.
Igor Mazin
>
>_Given_ a wooden ball, a compass (cirkul', a ne kompas), and a sheet of
>paper, _construct_ a line equal to the ball's radius.
>
A risowat' na mjachike mozhno?
>He didn't solve it. Then (after 10th grade) it took me a day to solve
>it, but I really enjoyed it. The problem is beautiful, but of course
>giving it at the ORAL entrance exam was sheer shamelessness. I'll tell
>you the solution, if there's an interest, and I'd like to hear about
>other good problems. ...oh yeah, the friend's name was Shleifman...
>--
One from fizfak: Given an infinitly large pool with water, whose bottom is
absolutely black and ceiling is absolutely white. On the bottom sits a fish
and looks around. What does it see?
Igor Mazin
>
>
>_Given_ a wooden ball, a compass (cirkul', a ne kompas), and a sheet of
>paper, _construct_ a line equal to the ball's radius.
>
>it, but I really enjoyed it. The problem is beautiful, but of course
>giving it at the ORAL entrance exam was sheer shamelessness. I'll tell
>you the solution, if there's an interest, and I'd like to hear about
>other good problems. ...oh yeah, the friend's name was Shleifman...
Another one: calculate \sum_{i=1}^n i cos(i x). Given in 1971 in MFTI.
Note that differentiation was not in school program and one was not allowed
to use derivatives.
Michael Galperin
writes:
>Kak, dolzhno byt', tyazhelo zhit' antisemitam i prochim paranoidal'nym
>kzenofobam! V detstve im prihodilos' slushat' pesni, napisannye ljud'mi
>evereyskogo proishozhdenia, chitat' knigi.... etc
>Premerzkaya familia! Ne russkaya kakay-to! Ne to, chto
>Iatskovskiy! Ili, skazhem, Shafarevich! Ot slov "Iatskik" i "shofar".
Vlad v svojem analize grubo nastupil na bol'nuju mozol' russkogo
cheloveka Alexa, naprasno (skoree vsego) brosiv evrejskuju ten' na familiju
Iatskovski. V tom-to i bol' bednogo antisemita, chto nositeli rodnyh emu
vzgliadov ot ego familli nos vorotiat, a predstaviteli chuzhdoj kul'tury
tak i noroviat v svoi zapisat'. Da eqe v Brookline! Predstav'te sebe,
podhodit k nashemu neschastnomu Alexu kakoj-nibud' byvshij odessit i
nachinajet vspominat' pro svojego druga detstva Iziu Iatskovskogo. Nu,
poniatno, u togo krysha i poehala ot obidy, u menia, krichit, predki v
16-om veke Moskvu brali, krov' golubuju prolivali. Gliad', a nikto ne
sochuvstvujet. Nu tut on i k Internetu pril'nul - mozhet hot' kto
posochuvstvujet zabludsemu dvorianskomu otprysku. A vy ego srazu v zhopu
posylajete. Nehorosho. On tam i tak davno sidit.
Kstati tem zhe kompleksom, sudia po vsemu, ob'jasniajetsia i
ozloblennost' Viznyuka protiv, kak on vyrazhajetsia, "Turko-Okraintsev".
Dostalas' cheloveku takaja familija, a emu protivno, chto ego ukraintsem
schitajut. Da esche i sud'ba zakinula v seredinu Ohio. Pozhalet' ego nado,
a ne politiku razvodit'. Vot popadete v Columbus, tam vse-vse pojmete.
MyG.
Alex Semenyaka
>Julia Genyuk (gen...@math.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>:
>: Naskol'ko ya slyshala, na mehmat ona popala, potomu chto uchastvovala
>: vo vsesoyuznoi olimpiade. I za to, chto ona eto skazala, ee obeschali
>: vzyat' v aspiranturu. Eta istoriya deistvitel'no razoshlas' ochen'
>: shiroko i vyzvala "narodnyi gnev". Devushka, govoryat, byla ochen'
>: horoshaya, no zapugannaya, i potom dolgo perezhivala po etomu povodu.
>: Familiyu ee ya znayu, no ne skazhu, poskol'ku srok davnosti vyshel.
>
> Vygliadit ne ochen' pravdopodobno. Ya ne znaiu dostoverno pravil,
>dejstvovavshih v 80-h, no horosho znakom s etoj temoj v 70-h. V iyule
>provodilis' odnovremenno mezhdunarodnye olimpiady i ekzameny v Moskovskom
>i Leningradskom universitetah, poetomu dejstvoval prikaz Ministra
>prinimat' v eti universitety uchastnikov mezhdunarodnyh olimpiad bez
Tak kak u menya byl etot prikaz, to popravlyu: "vo vse vuzy SSSR po
spetsial'nostyam <perechilslenie>". Vo vsaykom sluchae, tak bylo v
moem.
>ekzamenov. Uchastie i dazhe pobeda na vsesoiuznoj olimpiade ne davali
>kakih-libo privilegij. Na mezhdunarodnuiu olimpiadu mogli prosto ne
V kontse 80-h nachali brat' i prizerov vsesoyuznoy, a potom - po-moemu,
i respublikanskih olimpiad.
>pustit', kak eto bylo so mnoj v 1976 posle 1-go mesta na Vserossijskoj.
>Poslednij sluchaj priema "nezhelatel'nogo" abiturienta na osnovanii teh
>pravil, byl naskol'ko ya pomniu, v 1975, Dmitriy Leshchiner.
>
> Yuri Sorkin
Alex Semenyaka,
Quantum Theory Project,
University of Florida.
Iouri Sorkine
: Another one: calculate \sum_{i=1}^n i cos(i x). Given in 1971 in MFTI.
Ne poniatno. Mozhno v programmnyh kodah ili eshche kak?
Yuri
Igor Mazin
>Dmitrii Manin (ma...@sticky.rockefeller.edu) wrote:
>
>: you the solution, if there's an interest, and I'd like to hear about
>: other good problems. ...oh yeah, the friend's name was Shleifman...
>
>
> Yuri Sorkin
Good question. I said to myself: well, first is close to one, and second
to sqrt(3)/2, so 1st is greater. This is correct, but they ARE much closer
to each other that one may think.
Igor Mazin
Blin, eto zh TeX! Summa po i ot 1 do n proizwedenija i na cos (i x).
Woobshe ja za tochnost' ne ruchajus', ideja byla chto dana proizwodnaja
ot summy sinusow, to li perwaja, kak ja napisal, to li wtoraja.
Igor Mazin
>In article <MANIN.95F...@sticky.rockefeller.edu>,
>Dmitrii Manin <ma...@sticky.rockefeller.edu> wrote:
>]
>]_Given_ a wooden ball, a compass (cirkul', a ne kompas), and a sheet of
>]paper, _construct_ a line equal to the ball's radius.
>
>
Ura! Kagalenko otkryl kwadraturu kruga!
Igor Mazin
>>
>>A Shafarevich
>>emu: "Da. I kak matematicheskoe dokazatel'stvo togo, chto vse evrei
>>nenavidyat russkih, posmotrite na Vasilia Grossmana. Vy chitali ego
>knigi?"
>>
>
>vse poimut,chto ona u tebya slegka vospalena,potomu,chto matematik vryad li
>budet upotreblyat' virazhenie "matematicheskoe dokazatel'stvo" k
>chemu-to,pomimo matematiki.EI,matematiki na SCS,prav ya,net?
Vova, ja wperwue ponjal chto Sh. nenormal'nyj, kogda prochital godu
w 80-m ego podpol'nyj traktat s "matematicheskim (sic!) dok-wom bytija
bozhjego".
Igor Chudov
: Hm, interesno. Ne pomnju, kto napisal muzyku, no stihi - Evtushenki.
: A on sam, kstati, znaet, chto on - evrej?
Ne znaju chego on znaet, no zato znaju, chto on zhivet v odnom
gorode so mnoj - v Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Interesno, kakie stihi napishet on ob etoj ploskoj zemle?
--
- Igor.
"The opossum is a very sophisticated animal. It doesn't even get up
until 5 or 6 pm."
m...@physics.berkeley.edu
>One from fizfak: Given an infinitly large pool with water, whose bottom is
>absolutely black and ceiling is absolutely white. On the bottom sits a fish
>and looks around. What does it see?
Bait and hook, I guess.
But really, trivial answer is white circle above (provided there is any source of light,
directed into ceiling), of the angular radius arcsin(1/n).
What is the catch? They did not assume that fish is on the depth of the order of wavelength or something?
Yury
Iouri Sorkine
: ico...@parcplace.com wrote:
: Ne znaju chego on znaet, no zato znaju, chto on zhivet v odnom
: gorode so mnoj - v Tulsa, Oklahoma.
??? Why did I believe he lives in San Jose, CA or around?
Yuri
Iouri Sorkine
Dyk, a ty nikogda "dokazatel'stv" teoremy Ferma ne recenziroval? :-)
Yuri
Michael G. Minkovski
Chto novogo obrel v svoih stranstviiah?
In article <3hbjut$f...@paul.rutgers.edu> vaku...@paul.rutgers.edu (Sergey
Vakulenko) writes:
>m...@interaccess.com (Michael G. Minkovski) writes:
>>Da nu, bros'te. Ne verite Mazinu, sprosite u liubogo MIFISta ili Fiztehovtsa,.
>>U nas vot v MIFI na potoke paren' byl po familii Tsukerman, tak na nego
>>smotret' s drugih fakul'tetov hodili. Dostoprimechatel'nost'.
>Nu tut, ty, MIsh, gonish'. Uzh ne znayu, kak v MIFYAH, na Fiztehe
>s pyatoj grafoj narodu hvatalo. Uzh ne znayu, kak eto u nih poluchalos',
>po-moemu imenno chto kvota byla. Protsentov tak 7-10. Ne verish',
V MIFI _ne bylo_ evreev sredi studentov fakul'teta Experimental'noi
i Teoreticheskoi Fiziki ("T"), kotoryi ia zakonchil. Za ochen' malym
iskliucheniiem. Takoe vpechatleniie, chto i kvota ne deistvovala nikakaia,
tak kak bylo ih iavno men'she 2%. Sredi iskliuchenii byli deti profprep
sostava i, vidimo, blatnye i sluchaino popavshie (kstati, inetersno, chto
sredi prepodov physicheskih special'nostei evrei sostavliali bol'shinstvo,
osobenno po teorfizike, sredi matematikov - absoliutnoe men'shinstvo).
Na Tehnicheskoi fizike ne znaiu, mozhet i byli, na Avtomatike i Elektronike
tozhe pochti ne bylo (uskoritel'nyi fakul'tet, vseh sovali v iaschiki), a vot
na "K" (f. Kibernetiki) popadalis', no vse-ravno malo. Zato tam zhenschin
mnogo bylo, a to u nas muzhskoi monastyr' - hotia ran'she esche kruche,
voobsche ne brali. V moe vremia v kazhdoi gruppe (krome teoretikov i
primatov), odna ili dve byli. Vozvraschaias' k natsional'nostiam, sredi
studentov "T" voobsche nikogo ne bylo, krome russkih, (nu opiat' zhe - pochti,
u nas v gruppe odin kazah byl, naprimer). Dlia vseh "nerusskih, no ne evreev"
v MIFI otdel'nyi fakul'tet byl - Spetsial'nyi Fakul'tet Phisiki ("SFF").
Kazhdyi god ezdila spetsial'naia komanda po respublikam i testirovala
zhelaiuschih studentov 2h-3h kursov universitetov i krupnyh institutov.
Studenty tam na SFF, v resul'tate, v srednem sposobnee byli, chem u nas, i
uchili ih luchshe. A naschet phyzteha ia suzhu po rasskazam naroda v FIANe
(gde phyztehov ochen' mnogo). Byl u menia i sobstvennyi nepriiatnyi opyt
tam (vprochem, kak i v MIFI, familiia u menia bol'no podozritel'naiia,
a dokazyvat', chto ia ne evrei mne vsegda protivno bylo, u menia v rodu
kogo tol'ko net, a vot antisemitov ne bylo). No esli v MFTI u menia voobsche
dokumenty ne priniali, pod kakim-to formal'nym predlogom, to v MIFI ia
postupil, hotia eto byla otdel'naia istoriia. Tak chto sravnivat'
uroven' antisemitizma mne, ne buduchi evreem, prihoditsia po sobstvennomu
opytu - paradox sovetskoi deistvitel'nostiu.
>sprosi Mazina, on s Fizteha. Kstati, zamechanie v storony. Ne govori
>"Fiztehovets", obidimsya. Eto vse-ravno, chto "Mifishnik" pravil'no --
>Fizteh. Kak tam, "My fiztehi, my univeersitetov ne konchali". No --
Nu izvini, ne budu bol'she. A Mifishnik, eto da, gmmm :)
>"fizteshka" Vprochem... Ih, bednyh, za lyudej obychno ne schitali,
>vot i nazyvali kak popalo. A zrya, po-moemu, slavnye baryshni popadalis'.
>No redko... Bol'she, vse-taki stervy ili bitch'i. Ili uzh takjie
>umnye... I takie strashnye... Mne za sebya stydno, no ya s nimi ne mog...
>Sbegal...
Gnalis'? :) A u nas sovsem uzh malo bylo, no te, chto byli - ochen' nichego.
Igor Mazin
>Igor Mazin (ma...@quartz.ciw.edu) wrote:
>
>
> Dyk, a ty nikogda "dokazatel'stv" teoremy Ferma ne recenziroval? :-)
>
Dyk, ja zh ne mathematik... What nowuju teoriju swerhprowodimosti
tol'ko chto zawernul...
Dmitrii Manin
o A risowat' na mjachike mozhno?
Yep, i cirkul' v nego vtykat', potomu -- derevyannyi.
o One from fizfak: Given an infinitly large pool with water, whose bottom is
o absolutely black and ceiling is absolutely white. On the bottom sits a fish
o and looks around. What does it see?
White circle strictly above its head, is it that difficult?
--
- M
Disclaimer: V sluchae oslableniya khrustyaschikh svoistv
Produkt rekomenduetsya podsushit'
Dmitrii Manin
o Roll ball in paper and pinch hole with compass. Big #$%ing deal.
God bless you, Misha, I had a higher opinion of your mental
abilities. It's an honest geometry problem. You are allowed the
following operations:
- stick compass needle in ball or in paper
- draw circles on ball and on paper
- carry compass without changing the distance between its legs
That is all. As it's known that all constructions on paper that are
possible with compass and straight ruler, are also possible with
compass only, you're allowed to use ruler on paper (but not on ball,
of course).
Sofya M.
* * *
* * *
soedinite eti tochki 3mya liniyami ne zabiraya pychky ot bymagi:)
--Sofa:)
# # ##### # # ### # # # # # #
# # # # # # ## # # # # # # # # #
# # # # # # # # # # ##### ### ##### #
# # # # # ## # # # # # # # # #
### # # # # ### # # # # # # #
Misha Verbitsky
>Misha Verbitsky (ver...@brauer.harvard.edu) wrote:
>
>: He was grey-haired, but his beard was kinda yellowish.
>: At least to the best of my rememberance. He was allegedly a
>: Christian Orthodox fanatic. Ratushinskaya dedicated some
>: bad poetry to Senderov.
>
> Why do you write about Valery "was"?
I hope he's well and alive, but I thought I heard
that he died some time around 90-91 (I was here in US
so I don't really know). I also think that we would
have heard from him if he have been alive - dissidents
don't change really, and he was among the most voiciferous
dissidents (approaching Novodvorskaya, and a lot more
so than Kovalev). I heard also that his health was
ruined in imprisonment (early 80-ies) - in 1989, he
looked a lot older than his age (born circa 1945).
Misha.
Vladimir Makarkin
>
>In article <3h9dro$r...@decaxp.harvard.edu> ver...@germain.harvard.edu
(Misha
>Verbitsky) writes:
>
>o I even received
>o one of problems in Shen's list of 10 worst problems o on Mekh-math
exams
>
>A friend of mine got the following problem at the oral math entrance exam
to
>MechMat:
>_Given_ a wooden ball, a compass (cirkul', a ne kompas), and a sheet of
paper,
>_construct_ a line equal to the ball's radius.
>
but I
>really enjoyed it. The problem is beautiful, but of course giving it at
the
>there's an interest, and I'd like to hear about other good problems. ...oh
>
>Disclaimer: V sluchae oslableniya khrustyaschikh svoistv
> Produkt rekomenduetsya podsushit'
Imeetsya v vidu abstraktnii cirkul? U kotorogo nozhki ne gnut'sya?
Esli real'nii, to im mozhno zamerit' diametr shara napryamuyu, kak
kalibrom.Potom nachertit' na bumage krug etim diametrom,provesti pryamuyu
cherez dirku.Rasstoyanie ot okruzhnosti kruga do dirki(centra), i est'
iskomii radius.
Huinya skazhete? Sam znayu.
Znachit abstraktnii.
Vladimir Makarkin
Vladimir Makarkin
>
>In article <3h9dro$r...@decaxp.harvard.edu> ver...@germain.harvard.edu
(Misha
>Verbitsky) writes:
>
>o I even received
>o one of problems in Shen's list of 10 worst problems o on Mekh-math
exams
>
>A friend of mine got the following problem at the oral math entrance exam
to
>MechMat:
>
>_Given_ a wooden ball, a compass (cirkul', a ne kompas), and a sheet of
paper,
>_construct_ a line equal to the ball's radius.
>
>He didn't solve it. Then (after 10th grade) it took me a day to solve it,
but I
>really enjoyed it. The problem is beautiful, but of course giving it at
the
>ORAL entrance exam was sheer shamelessness. I'll tell you the solution, if
>there's an interest, and I'd like to hear about other good problems. ...oh
>yeah, the friend's name was Shleifman... --
>- M
>
>Disclaimer: V sluchae oslableniya khrustyaschikh svoistv
> Produkt rekomenduetsya podsushit'
--
diametrom 2D shara.Hm, toest' zadacha: kak razdelit' otrezok na 4 ravnie
chasti pri pomoshi cirkulya bez lineiki.Eh,cirkulya pod rukoi net,a to ya
bi vam pokazal:)
Vladimir Makarkin
Michael Kagalenko
Michael Kagalenko <mkag...@lynx.dac.neu.edu> wrote:
]In article <MANIN.95F...@sticky.rockefeller.edu>,
]Dmitrii Manin <ma...@sticky.rockefeller.edu> wrote:
]]
]]In article <3h9dro$r...@decaxp.harvard.edu> ver...@germain.harvard.edu (Misha Verbitsky) writes:
]]
]]o I even received
]]o one of problems in Shen's list of 10 worst problems
]]o on Mekh-math exams
]]
]]A friend of mine got the following problem at the oral math entrance
]]exam to MechMat:
]]
]]_Given_ a wooden ball, a compass (cirkul', a ne kompas), and a sheet of
]]paper, _construct_ a line equal to the ball's radius.
]]
]]He didn't solve it. Then (after 10th grade) it took me a day to solve
]]it, but I really enjoyed it. The problem is beautiful, but of course
]]giving it at the ORAL entrance exam was sheer shamelessness. I'll tell
]]you the solution, if there's an interest, and I'd like to hear about
]]other good problems. ...oh yeah, the friend's name was Shleifman...
] Roll ball in paper and pinch hole with compass. Big #$%ing deal.
]
Roll in the right way, of course :)
--
"Being a bachelor, he was a kind of amateur in life, and did not
really care "
Michael Kagalenko
Vladimir Makarkin <maka...@also.hooked.net> wrote:
]In soc.culture.soviet ma...@sticky.rockefeller.edu (Dmitrii Manin) said:
]
]
]>_Given_ a wooden ball, a compass (cirkul', a ne kompas), and a sheet of
]>
]>He didn't solve it. Then (after 10th grade) it took me a day to solve it,
]but I
]>really enjoyed it. The problem is beautiful, but of course giving it at
]the
]>ORAL entrance exam was sheer shamelessness. I'll tell you the solution, if
]
]>there's an interest, and I'd like to hear about other good problems. ...oh
]
]Imeetsya v vidu abstraktnii cirkul? U kotorogo nozhki ne gnut'sya?
]
]Esli real'nii, to im mozhno zamerit' diametr shara napryamuyu, kak
]kalibrom.Potom nachertit' na bumage krug etim diametrom,provesti pryamuyu
]cherez dirku.Rasstoyanie ot okruzhnosti kruga do dirki(centra), i est'
]iskomii radius.
]
]Huinya skazhete? Sam znayu.
Konechno, hujn'a. It should be like that :
________________________________________________
| |
| |
| |
| |
| ..... |
| . . |
| . . |
| . . |
| . . |
| . . |
| . . |
------------------------------------------------
^ ^ ^
A Tip B
\ /
\ /
\ /
\ /^
\ / A&B
\ /
\/
^ tip
Drop ball in ant pinch hole where it touches paper. Edge of paper needs
to be straight line. A couple more steps, but - sapienti sat :)
Cheers,
Michael
Michael Kagalenko
Dmitrii Manin <ma...@sticky.rockefeller.edu> wrote:
]
]In article <3h9dro$r...@decaxp.harvard.edu> ver...@germain.harvard.edu (Misha Verbitsky) writes:
]
]He didn't solve it. Then (after 10th grade) it took me a day to solve
]it,
It is nice one, but a day seems too much, Dmitrij :)
How about this one :
_________
| /\ |
| / \ |
| / __ \ |
| / |to| \|
| \infin /|
| \|__|/ |
| \ / |
| \/ |
----------
infinite number of squares with vortices touching the middle of the side of
previous square made of uniform wire. Find resistance between opposite
vortices of the biggest sq. :-)
but I really enjoyed it. The problem is beautiful, but of course
]giving it at the ORAL entrance exam was sheer shamelessness. I'll tell
]you the solution, if there's an interest, and I'd like to hear about
]other good problems.
Finally, interesting topic on SCS. Way to go.
Leonid L. Delitsin
galp...@biotek.mcb.uconn.edu (Michael Galperin) writes:
> Vlad v svojem analize grubo nastupil na bol'nuju mozol' russkogo
>cheloveka Alexa, naprasno (skoree vsego) brosiv evrejskuju ten' na
> familiju Iatskovski.
Well, the brilliant creator of Alex Iatskovsky just sent yet another
warning to those of us, who wish to have soc.culture.russian newsgroup.
It is clear now, that not only budenny@, beria@, stalin@, but many
other, more sofisticated, ghosts will try to participate in the voting
procedure, and it is not clear, how to detect them.
Peter, do you have any idea, what to do in this situation?
--
Sincerely yours,
Leonid Delitsin
Igor Mazin
>
>
>o A risowat' na mjachike mozhno?
>
>Yep, i cirkul' v nego vtykat', potomu -- derevyannyi.
Risuju 2 kruga odinakogogo radiusa. Merjaju rasstoianie mezhu ih centrami (na
share) i mezhdu tochkami peresechenija okruzhnostej. Eti dwe dliny odnoznachno
opredeljajut radius (len' schitat', no tochno oprede;jaut).
>
>o One from fizfak: Given an infinitly large pool with water, whose bottom is
>o absolutely black and ceiling is absolutely white. On the bottom sits a fish
>o and looks around. What does it see?
>
>White circle strictly above its head, is it that difficult?
No it is not that difficult. Your answer is wrong. (5th on scs by now)
Irina Khrebtukova
: tsirkulya...). Nu i esli ekzamenator - ne sovsem zver' i razreshit
: skladyvat' bumagu - to peresechenie treh bissektriss dast tsentr
Kak mne tut spravedlivo podskazali tovarischi na mestah, mozhno
postroit' bissektrissu i s pomosch'ju tol'ko tsirkulya nichego ne
skladyvaja...(vot ved' bylo u nas so zdravym smyslom takoe
intuitivnoe chuvstvo, tol'ko my ne znali kak...)
Tak chto pust' zverstvuet (ekzamenator v smysle)....
Hotya, konechno, slozhit' - bystree i prosche...
--
I
Igor Mazin
> _________
> | /\ |
> | / \ |
> | / __ \ |
> | / |to| \|
> | \infin /|
> | \|__|/ |
> | \ / |
> | \/ |
> ----------
> infinite number of squares with vortices touching the middle of the side of
> previous square made of uniform wire. Find resistance between opposite
> vortices of the biggest sq. :-)
>
goes much simpler if start from a /\
\/ square, and not [] one. Was it inten-
tional that you started with [], or it is just that I did not find the simplest
way?
Peter Vorobieff
> Well, the brilliant creator of Alex Iatskovsky just sent yet another
>warning to those of us, who wish to have soc.culture.russian newsgroup.
>It is clear now, that not only budenny@, beria@, stalin@, but many
>other, more sofisticated, ghosts will try to participate in the voting
>procedure, and it is not clear, how to detect them.
>
> Peter, do you have any idea, what to do in this situation?
After I passed the CFV to Ron Dippold, it's his problem.
BTW, after the disappearance of Dippold (he is nowhere to be seen for
about a week, no RFDs or CFVs are posted, his phone does not answer
and his e-mail bounces) there are strong rumors that he was assassinated
by Vulis and Stodolsky who are attempting to take over USENERD.
Basically, the strong will survive and the righteous will prevail.
--
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of One Robot and Seven Pigs.
DISCLAIMER: Opinions expressed in the article above, if any, are channeled from
the Fungi of Yuggoth and do not necessarily represent the views of
my other employers.
Vladimir Makarkin
SAS...@Applelink.Apple.com says...
>
>In article <3grocj$6...@explorer.clark.net>, rom...@clark.net (Roman
>Kostin) wrote:
>
>> In article <3grhhh$4...@its.hooked.net>,
>> Vladimir Makarkin <maka...@hooked.net> wrote:
>> >A ved' on s vami intelligentno staraetsya govorit. Chtozh vi za lyudi-to
>> >takie?
>>
>> GIFT - intelligentno??? 8-D ?
>
>Roma, dlya nekotorykh intelligentno - eto jesli mizinchik v storony
>otstavlyajut, kogda stopku vodki v rot zabrasyvajut. V etom smysle, da,
>intelligentno.
>
Net,dlya menya menya intelligentno - eto kogda sobesednika ne obveshivayut
huyami,kak rozhdestvenskuyu elku.Po krainei mere.
Vladimir
Vladimir Makarkin
>
>Igor Mazin (ma...@quartz.ciw.edu) wrote:
>
>> Ezheli nekto tebe goworit, chto, mol, on luchshe tebja potomu chto u nego
>> pardon, huj tolstyj, na eto est' dwa otweta: Delo horosheje, ja za tebja
rad,
>> no k nashemu sporu otnoshenija ne imeet. Ili: nu i chto, u menja eshe
>> tolshche, no k delu eto otnoshenija ne imeet. Ja wybral wtoroj wariant
>> otweta, wot i wse.
>
>Huya. Otvet byl - u menia tolsche, chem i gorzhus'.
>
>Dima
>--
> "... a u medvedia - vse ravno tolsche."
> Vadim Maslov
"V chuzhih rukah hui vsegda tolshe" - lyubimaya pogovorka zampolita nashei
chasti.
Vladimir
Sergey Petrov
2. Pinch two points on the ball with the distance (on the sphere) equal to 1/4
of the length.
3. Measure the distance with the compass.
4. Build a square using the distance found.
5. Find the half of its diagonal, that's it.
But, how to find the middle point of a segment without a ruler?
S.Petrov
Iouri Sorkine
: In article <3he6k9$b...@crl5.crl.com> sor...@crl.com (Iouri Sorkine) writes:
: >: >Igor Mazin (ma...@quartz.ciw.edu) wrote:
: >: >: Another one: calculate \sum_{i=1}^n i cos(i x). Given in 1971 in MFTI.
: >
: > Poskol'ku sinusy summiruyutsia kak sin((n-1)*x)*(1+2*cos(x)), to
: >vyrazhenie poluchaetsia ves'ma neslozhnoe, i ego mozhno dokazat' po indukcii.
: Da, esli ty differncirowat' umeesh'. Prichem slozhnost' (tochnee, dlina)
: dok-va po indukcii rastet s porjadkom ispol'zowannoj proizwodnoj. No eto
: konechno, otnjud' ne samaja ubojnaja zadacha. Wot s ryboj - eto w samom
: dele klass. Poka uzhe 4 otweta, wse neprawil'nye.
Mne kazhetsia, chto te, kogo eto real'no kasalos', differencirovat'
umeli. A vyrazhenie, hot' i dlinnoe, no rutinno vypisyvaemoe za 15(?)
minut. Pro rybu ne probuyu, tak kak ne fizik, i ekzameny sdaval davno.
Yuri
Iouri Sorkine
: Vprochem, menya druz'ya v Karpaty vytaschili na lyzhah gornyh katat'sya.
: Blin, gady, oni-to s opytom, nu i menya potaschili na tot sklon, gde im
: samim interesno. A tam, naverhu -- nu ty, muzhik, uchis', i ruchkoj sdelali.
Mozhno podrobnej pro Karpaty? A to my dva goda nazad tuda priehali iz
Rossii, posmotreli den', i reshili poehat' v Tatry. A kak tam sejchas?
: Eto vam ne Loona Mountains. Gde vam tamm varenyki z kartoshkoyu podadut?!
A eto chto?
Yuri Sorkin
Iouri Sorkine
: A ponyatno, chto abiturienty-evrei chasto iz MOskovskih elitnyh shkol
: vrode 57-j, 2-j, 91-j, ili kievskoj 145-j, ili izvestnogo
: har'kovskogo "hedera" ne pomnyu ego nomer. Nu i gonoru, snobizma
: i "esttetstva" u nih bol'she normy. Nu vot oni SNSam i ne nravyatsya.
H-hm... Iz moego klassa v MFTI postupalo 9 chelovek. Poniatno, sdali
vse normal'no. Posle sobesedovaniya 4 "russkih" prihiali, a 5 "evreev" -
net. A so "snobizmom", mne kazhetsia, u nih bylo odinakovo.
Yuri Sorkin
Alex Semenyaka
Vladimir Makarkin <maka...@hooked.net> wrote:
>In article <SASHAG-0702...@mac97.kip.apple.com>,
>SAS...@Applelink.Apple.com says...
>>
>>In article <3grocj$6...@explorer.clark.net>, rom...@clark.net (Roman
>>Kostin) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <3grhhh$4...@its.hooked.net>,
>>> Vladimir Makarkin <maka...@hooked.net> wrote:
>>> >A ved' on s vami intelligentno staraetsya govorit. Chtozh vi za lyudi-to
>>> >takie?
>>>
>>> GIFT - intelligentno??? 8-D ?
>>
>>Roma, dlya nekotorykh intelligentno - eto jesli mizinchik v storony
>>otstavlyajut, kogda stopku vodki v rot zabrasyvajut. V etom smysle, da,
>>intelligentno.
>>
>
>Net,dlya menya menya intelligentno - eto kogda sobesednika ne obveshivayut
>huyami,kak rozhdestvenskuyu elku.Po krainei mere.
>
>
>Vladimir
Ne znayu, ne znayu... Ya rozhdestvenskuyu elku nikogda huyami
ne obveshival, poetomu sravnenie ostaetsya ne ochen' ponyatnym.
I v lyubom sluchae, intelligentnost' k huyam pryamogo otnosheniya
ne imeet.
SY, Alex Semenyaka.
Iouri Sorkine
: Risuju 2 kruga odinakogogo radiusa. Merjaju rasstoianie mezhu ih centrami (na
: share) i mezhdu tochkami peresechenija okruzhnostej. Eti dwe dliny odnoznachno
: opredeljajut radius (len' schitat', no tochno oprede;jaut).
Ne opredeliayut. Voz'mi tetraedr s chetyr'mia ravnymi rebrami, ne
lezhaschimi v odnoj ploskosti, - eto radiusy tvoih okruznostej. Teper'
cherez seredinu dvuh drugih reber provodish' priamuyu - liubaya ee tochka
(ne na rebre) mozhet byt' centrom shara.
Yuri
Iouri Sorkine
: Igor Mazin (ma...@quartz.ciw.edu) wrote:
: : Risuju 2 kruga odinakogogo radiusa. Merjaju rasstoianie mezhu ih centrami (na
: : share) i mezhdu tochkami peresechenija okruzhnostej. Eti dwe dliny odnoznachno
: : opredeljajut radius (len' schitat', no tochno oprede;jaut).
: Ne opredeliayut. Voz'mi tetraedr s chetyr'mia ravnymi rebrami, ne
: lezhaschimi v odnoj ploskosti, - eto radiusy tvoih okruznostej. Teper'
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^, t.e. ne
samih okruzhnostej, konechno, a - zasechka.
: Yuri
Dmitrii Manin
In article <3hlg9s$l...@stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV> p...@druid.epm.ornl.gov (Sergey Petrov) writes:
o 1. Using the paper and the ball, find the length of it's equator;
That's prohibited. Indeed, how can you ensure that you roll the ball
in a straight line?
No folks, there are no tricks. I have described the full set of
permissible operations elsewhere. Don't try to find a killer
solution. Find the real one.
Dmitrii Manin
In article <12Feb95.02...@granite.ciw.edu> ma...@quartz.ciw.edu (Igor Mazin) writes:
o Risuju 2 kruga odinakogogo radiusa. Merjaju rasstoianie mezhu ih
o centrami (na share) i mezhdu tochkami peresechenija
o okruzhnostej. Eti dwe dliny odnoznachno opredeljajut radius (len'
o schitat', no tochno oprede;jaut).
That's the first correct approach to the problem. However you're
required to _construct_ the radius on the paper, not _compute_ it. Try
further.
Iouri Sorkine
: : At least to the best of my rememberance. He was allegedly a
: : Christian Orthodox fanatic. Ratushinskaya dedicated some
: Probably, yes, but in 81 he was into "Free Trade Unions" at least
: partially.
In 1981-1982 Valery was the representative in Russia of "Narodno Trudovoj
Soyuz". He is indeed Ortodox but I wouldn't consider him as fanatic.
Yuri Sorkin
Igor Chudov
: In article <galperin.6...@biotek.mcb.uconn.edu>
: galp...@biotek.mcb.uconn.edu (Michael Galperin) writes:
Why should we do anything about that? If someone enjoys spending a whole
lot of money to create ghosts, let her do that. We'll just hang out in the
most convenient place, be it scs or scr. We cannot do much anyway, and
it is not worth doing anything about these ghosts. The best thing anyone can
do is to select whom to read and whom to ignore.
--
- Igor.
"The opossum is a very sophisticated animal. It doesn't even get up
until 5 or 6 pm."
Vlad Rutenburg
>In article <3havu0$b...@math.mps.ohio-state.edu> gen...@math.ohio-state.edu (Julia Genyuk) writes:
>>In article <3h926t$q...@decaxp.harvard.edu>,
>>Misha Verbitsky <ver...@germain.harvard.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Absolutely correct, Yulya G. article was full of CUNY.
>> ^^^^
>> What does it mean and should I be offended?
> Please take it easy. I referred to Vulis .sig,
> certainly one to be remembered. People forget
> their heroes, no?
You don't. You quoted Vulis profusely when trying to prove your
superiority over me. In fact, most people would say that your own posts
about me are full of CUNY. :)
Just kidding.
Michael Kagalenko
Dmitrii Manin <ma...@sticky.rockefeller.edu> wrote:
]
]
]o Well, nikogda ne byla v ladah s geometriej, no zdravyj smysl
]o podskazyvaet, chto esli tsirkul' dostatochno bol'shoj, a sharik
]o dostatochno malen'kij, to vse s ochevidnost'ju svoditsya k krugu,
]o vpisannomu v ravnobedrennyj treugol'nik (bedra - nozhki
]o tsirkulya...).
]
]No. It's an honest geometry problem. Compass is a device with which
]you can construct circles and copy distances between two given
]points. You can't use side effects of the triangular shape of the
]physical embodiment of this device. Besides, suppose its legs are not
]straight?
Well, if you can draw on the surface of the sphere, the problem is
even easier. Spread legs of compass (no lewd comments, please) at
distance D and draw circle on the surface of the sphere. Mark
any 3 points on the circle, measure the distance between them and
reconstract radius of the circle r. There you go
/\
/ \
/ \
D / \ D
/ \
/ \
/ \
/______________\
^
2r
Your sphere is circumscribed 'round this triangle. Still seems to me the day
for this problem is WAY too long :)
Igor Mazin
>
>
>o Risuju 2 kruga odinakogogo radiusa. Merjaju rasstoianie mezhu ih
>o centrami (na share) i mezhdu tochkami peresechenija
>o okruzhnostej. Eti dwe dliny odnoznachno opredeljajut radius (len'
>o schitat', no tochno oprede;jaut).
>
>That's the first correct approach to the problem. However you're
>required to _construct_ the radius on the paper, not _compute_ it. Try
>further.
>--
Anything I can compute in rationals, I can construct. That's not an issue.