Nov. Russkoe Slovo and others
Iouri Sorkine
: I am adding bwalk.dm.com to my killfile.
And I've removed.
Yuri
Peter Vorobieff
>
>Igor Chudov (ich...@iii1.iii.net) wrote:
>
>: I am adding bwalk.dm.com to my killfile.
>
> And I've removed.
*plonk*
--
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of One Robot and Seven Pigs.
DISCLAIMER: Opinions expressed in the article above, if any, are channeled from
the Fungi of Yuggoth and do not necessarily represent the views of
my other employers.
Vladimir Makarkin
says...
>
>Alexander Burshteyn <abur...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> wrote:
>|Igor Mazin <ma...@quartz.ciw.edu> wrote:
>|
>|> 1) Last issue of N.Rus.Sl.; Weekly world politics review by A. Lazarew
>|>(BTW, is he a jerk, a crook or a moron?): "Wes' mir s uvlecheniem sledit
>|>za sudom nad O.J...."
>|
>|I pots tozhe. I on, i Kramer. Dva molotsa, odinakovykh s litsa.
>|
>
>NRS is not a newspaper by any decent standards - it's a rag
>that's not soft enought to use as a toilet paper. Dovlatov
>had something to say about it too, and not much has changed
>since then.
>
>"Panorama", which is the most widely read immigrant newspaper
>on this coast, is a very nice publication, on the other hand.
>(Its only drawback is the zealot not too different from one
>poster in this newsgroup). I mention "Panorama" not to
>encourage you to try it (although you won't be disappointed
>if you do) but because of one funny thing: pseudonyms.
>
>The editor of NRS is Andrej Sedyh. His real name is Lazarx
>Moiseevich Tsvibak. This is more funny than sad :) Today I was
>working on this crossword puzzle in "Panorama". The first thing
>I noticed was the name of its author - Semen Serebrqnnyj. Hmm,
>I thought to myself, probably a pseudonym. On to the crossword
>I go... After getting through all horizontal clues, I notice
>that...a few (about 4 or 5) of them are missing! Damn, I thought,
>that's a killer crossword!
>
>Odnako, nas malo (chitai: dvoe) no my v telxnqshkah. The crossword
>was designed in such a way that a few of these words could be
>guessed by getting cross-referenced letters. So, I thought, no
>problem - I'll just get all words across. No such luck - about 10
>clues across were missing too, and not only in the end but
>in the middle too! Now the pseudonym analogy has really struck me
>although I was able to fill in most of the "unanswerable" blanks.
>
>Naprashivaetsq ochevidnaq kontsovka: Prodolzhenie sleduet.
>
>Shura.
>
NRS -gazeta OK. Interesnaya.Tol'ko nekrologov do huya slishkom.I oni
odinakovie vse.Ya sperva uzhasnulsya kogda 2 razvorota nekrologov uvidel.
Ni huya sebe dumayu,mor na nih chtoli napal.A potom priglyadelsya: da net,
eto god ispolnilsya kak chyato tetya zazhmurilas'.
A tak niche.
Vladimir
Vlad Rutenburg
>NRS -gazeta OK. Interesnaya.Tol'ko nekrologov do huya slishkom.I oni
>odinakovie vse.Ya sperva uzhasnulsya kogda 2 razvorota nekrologov uvidel.
>Ni huya sebe dumayu,mor na nih chtoli napal.A potom priglyadelsya: da net,
>eto god ispolnilsya kak chyato tetya zazhmurilas'.
Prichem nekrologov s portretami etoy umershey god nazad teti
naschityvaetsa po 10 na stranitsu: otdel'no ot "skorbyaschih plemyannikov
v Melitopole", otdel'no ot "sil'no skorbyaschih zhen plemyannikov is
melitopolia" i otdel'no ot "bezuteshno skorbiashih liubovnikov zhen
plemiannikov etoy teti is Melitoplia, vprochem liubovniki sami iz
Kryzhopolya". No eto drugaya istoria.
Kstati, moy liubimyj anekdot:
-Rabinovich, chto, Vasha zhena frantsuzhenka?
- Da net, eto ee huligany nauchili!
Mne nravitsa, chto is etogo korotkogo dialoga chelovek s voobrazheniem
mozhet sdelat' neveroyatno mnogo daleko-iduschih vyvodov...
>A tak niche.
Nu, tak sebe.
>Vladimir
Vladislav
Simon Streltsov
: isklucheniem nazvanija gazety. Mne, kak russkomu cheloveku smeshno, kogda
: menja pozdravljaut s Novym Godom v seredine sentjabrja. Mne smeshno, kogda
: menja pozdravljaut s iskonno "ruskim" prazdnikom Hanuka i t.d. I mne
: obsolutno ne smeshno, kogda ja putaus' najti v gazete vykhodjaschej na
: russkom jazyke novosti o Rossii, a vzamen etogo poluchau tol'ko obzor
: sobytij v gosudarstve Izrail', prichem nedel'noj davnosti. Mne smeshno,kogda
This is sort of a free country. Moget tebya uteshit shto v etoi strane
let 70 vihodyat gazeti na Yiddish absolyutno ne-evreiskogo
soderganiya - i pozdravlyayut svoih chitatelei s prazdnikom
pervomaya (a gut yon tov Der Pervomay?- my yiddish is rusty (-:)
a esche est' Messianic Jews, kotorii ne prochli nichego pro Messiyu
krome Isaya 53 (i ty nepravil'no). Oni kstati davali ob"yavlenie v NRS -
pryamo v razgar bombegek Izrailya skadami - na tseluyu stranitsy -
i mne eto toge ne ponravilos'.
a ne nravitsya ih nazvanie - nachinay izdavat; gazety:
"Nastoyaschee novoe russkoe slovo" -
Gezunte heig, kak u nas govoryat,
a to budesh volnovat'sya - pridetsya k vracham itti, a vrachi
oni toge s aktzentom!
i pust' priezhayshii moskovskii balet budet plyasat' ne tol'ko
v sinagogah dly aevreiskih starushek no i v
tzerkvyah dlya zdorovih duhom parnei.
(budesh imya registrirovat' - ne zabud; moi kopirait -
gonorar prishli)
Simcha Streltsov, _Former_ Adar Rabbi of S.C.Soviet
-------------------------
please, only Kosher lePesach homentashen
all others will be returned unopened.
p.s. This sig expired, but nobody have sent me real
homentashen anyway
Simon Streltsov
: Pechal'no, chto konkretno eti evrei, a takzhe ih russkie kollegi (Lazarew?)
: libo kozly, libo podonki, libo i to i drugoe. Ja zdes' nedawno, i po oshibke
: podpisal etot bulwarnyj listok (woskresnyj) na polgoda. Seichas postepenno
I personally have no opinion on NRS,
but I want to remind that one should be careful on this forum:
if you critisize someone for grammar - check your own grammar,
if you say someone is a bad writer - are you sure that your posts are
better? If not - maybe ppl should still read NRS instead of your posts.
Senya
CONSTANTIN N ZHIKHAREV
> Evrej zasluzhenno sostawljali bol'shuju chast' redakcij w
>luchshih Rossijskih zhurnalah, pri tom chto evreev bylo 2% naselenija.
Priyatno inogda posle raboty shashkoj pomahat', da i GIFT togo,
nesomnenno, zasluzhivaet. No vse-taki, na kakoj slog padaet
udarenie v slove "bol'shuyu"? I kakie takie zaslugi imelis' v
vidu ?
Zhikharev.
Eugene Plat
on 31 Jan 1995 04:51:36 GMT,
Alex Iatskovski <GI...@Delphi.com> writes:
>
>In article: ver...@coxeter.harvard.edu (Misha Verbitsky) izvolil zametit':
>
>
> >>A teper' neskol'ko slov po suschestvu. Razumeetsja nichego smeshnogo v
> >>evreiskom imeni net. Smeshno drugoe. Smeshno, kogda evreiskaja po sostavu
> >>redaktsii, suschestvu i soderhzaniu gazeta neponjatno pochemu
> >>nosit nazvanie "Novoe Russkoe Slovo".
> >
> > [ etc etc ; well deserved slam towards NRS ]
> >
> >>Mne, kak russkomu cheloveku smeshno [...]
> >
> > Well, Russian people who are concerned about
> > "kollichestvo orfograficheskikh oshibok"
> > don't deserve anything better, do they? And
> > I frankly doubt that a person with the last
> > name Iotkovsky can be any more Russian than...
>
>
>Dear Moisha! First of all my last name is Iatskovski (read Russian
>Noble Book more often). I wonder which nation you refer names like
>Obolenski and many others old Russian names to? If you're interesting
>directly in my personal family tree, there are no secrets. My family
>numbers hundreds of years of history. The Emperor Ekaterine II
>presented my remote ancestor Kiselyov with Count title. He had five
>sons and only one daughter, who married Polish nobleman Iatskovski.
>That is exactly where the Polish ending of my last name comes from.
>And I'm proud of it just as you are doubtlessly proud of yours. If you
>couldn't comprehend the basic content of my previous message I'll try
>again, this time shorter. I couldn't care less for the name of the
>Editor-in-Chief and how many typos he misses in text. But I'm
>absolutely not indifferent when representatives of other culture,
^^^^^^^
>oftentimes of a contrary opposite one, with hostile to me values and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>idols, including religion, dare to claim themselves as carriers of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You must be kidding...IDOLS!!! What are you talking about?!
And please, how did you come to the conclusion that Judaism is hostile
to you personally?...I wanna know!
Gene
>Russian culture. It seems quite funny to me. As well as to many of my
>friends of Jewish nationality, who treat NRS the same way I do. So
>dear Moisha, you've chosen a wrong guy for you zionist remarks. I am
>not an anti-semite. I couldn't care less about your Jewish problems.
>Azohen vey to you and your family. Take care yourself. BTW my word
>processor doesn't allow to edit text partially, so if I made any typos
>I have to leave it the way it is or rewrite from the beginning, which
>I sometimes don't feel like.
>
>==================================================================
> _ | \ | Alex Iatskovski
> / | | \ | GI...@delphi.com
> / | | \ / |
> /____ | | \ / |
> / | | _/ | A&M Co. P.O. Box 150519
> _/ _| & _| _| Brooklyn NY 11215-0519 USA
>==================================================================
>
>
>
>
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Dragon Fly
Vladimir Makarkin <maka...@hooked.net> wrote:
>
>Ya chital: evrei,kto iz Izraelya v Rossiyu vozvrashaetsya,pryamo v
>Sheremet'evo sprashivayut: "A gde tut v Pamyat' zapisivayut?"
Iz kibutsa uzhe ne vozvraschajutsia...
A komu poschastlivitsia vse-taki vyrvat'sia hot'
v chukchi gotov zapisat'sia...
Cordially,
Dragon
Alexy V. Khrabrov
>In article <3gjrf1$2...@news1.delphi.com>, <GI...@delphi.com> wrote:
>>drugoi raion raspolohzennyi v drugom kontse goroda. Ja ne vihzu mehzdu nimi
>>ni kakoi svjazi. V lubom sluchae po predlohzennomu adresu razyskat' etogo
> ^^^^^^^^
>
>>kul'tury, a ja ne v odnoj gazete mira ne vstrechau takogo kollichestva
>>orfograficheskihx oshibok. O stilistike ja voobsche ne govoru! Vu pomnite, u
>
>Tam gruppa tovarischej sobralas' pojti na huj.
>
>Ya nastojchivo Vam predlagayu k nim prisoedinit'sya.
>
>>==================================================================
>
>--
>Kostin, russkij kstati
Poma, oni sobralis` progulyat`sya po huyu, naverno... :)
Pust` uzh idut, avos` ih vydyuzhit.
--
Alexy V. Khrabrov <khra...@cccc.com>
``Age Quod Agis'' (Do what you're doing.)
CONSTANTIN N ZHIKHAREV
>In article <3gkgr4$1e...@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> cn...@Lehigh.EDU (CONSTANTIN N ZHIKHAREV) writes:
>>In article <31Jan95.02...@granite.ciw.edu>, ma...@quartz.ciw.edu (Igor Mazin) writes:
>IM> Evrej zasluzhenno sostawljali bol'shuju chast' redakcij w
>IM>luchshih Rossijskih zhurnalah, pri tom chto evreev bylo 2% naselenija.
>Z> Priyatno inogda posle raboty shashkoj pomahat', da i GIFT togo,
>Z> nesomnenno, zasluzhivaet. No vse-taki, na kakoj slog padaet
>Z> udarenie v slove "bol'shuyu"? I kakie takie zaslugi imelis' v
>Z> vidu ?
>Twoja reakcija mne nrawit'sja. Na wtoroj, konechno. J narochno ne postawil.
>A zasluga ih byla w tom, chto oni byli ne duraki. Razwe etogo ne dostatochno?
Ch'ya zhe zdes' zasluga, esli chelovek - ne durak? I kakoe eto
imeet otnoshenie k ego nacional'nosti ? A ?
Zhikharev.
Simon Streltsov
: > Ch'ya zhe zdes' zasluga, esli chelovek - ne durak? I kakoe eto
: > imeet otnoshenie k ego nacional'nosti ? A ?
: >
: > Zhikharev.
Did any of you read "Bell Curve" (-:
(there is a subtle refutation by Rav Shmuli Boteach, Oxford
online - check oxford-judaism list)
Igor Chudov
: >Tak i u tebja. Esli ubili o. A. Menja - ubili swjashennika. A esli
: >ubili Tal'kova - ubil evrej.
: A ti znaesh' kto ubil Menia? A ti uveren chto ego ne evrei ubil? Na vse 100%
: uveren?
Vladimir Makarkin, objasni pozhalujsta, kakaja raznitsa, evrej ubil ili net?
- Igor.
Igor Mazin
>Igor Mazin (ma...@quartz.ciw.edu) wrote:
>
>: > Ch'ya zhe zdes' zasluga, esli chelovek - ne durak? I kakoe eto
>: > imeet otnoshenie k ego nacional'nosti ? A ?
>: >
>: > Zhikharev.
>
>Did any of you read "Bell Curve" (-:
>(there is a subtle refutation by Rav Shmuli Boteach, Oxford
>online - check oxford-judaism list)
>
Slushaj, a, k primeru, mashinu ty tozhe po Talmudu pokupaesh'?
GI...@delphi.com
> Tam gruppa tovarischej sobralas' pojti na ...[ja ster mat - A.I.]
> Ya nastojchivo Vam predlagayu k nim prisoedinit'sya.
Synok, gomoseksualizm eto ne prosto moral'noe izvraschenie, eto esche i
raznovidnost' psikhicheskogo zabolevanija. Mne zhal', chto ty stradaesh'
etim merzkim nedugom, no uzh koli tak sluchilos', to postarajsja khotja by
ponjat',chto mir sostoit ne iz odnikh tol'ko osobej neponjtnogo pola,kotorye
vidimo sostavljajut krug tvoikh blizhajshikh prijateley-lubovnikov. Vprochem
dlja tebja eshe ne vse poterjano. Ty mozhesh' obratit'sja k psikhiatoru, a
esli tak uzh nravit'sja,chto prosto vplot' do porosjach'ego vizga, ty vsegda
mozhesh sdelat' operatsiju po izmeneniju pola (mozhet-uzhe?). I Boga radi,
ne upotrebljaj maternykh vyrazhenij, eto tak ne seksual'no!
> >==================================================================
> --
> Kostin, russkij kstati
Malysh, mne vse ravno russkij ty ili uzhe amerikanskij, lish' by chelovek
byl khoroshij. Mozhet byt' tebe dejstvitel'no sledovalo by sobrat'sja s
dukhom da i pochitat' kakuju nibud' khoroshuju knigu?
GI...@delphi.com
> Udivitel'no, kak wyrozhdajutsja nekotorye drevnie roda...
> Odin takoj blagorodnyj uzhe otwalil w nebytie, takoj Esq. Tereshchenko,
> (ne putat' s Dr. Hyde, Esq.). Shel by i ty tuda zhe, znatok Noble Book.
> A to ne daj Bog okazhetsja, tut kakoj-nibud' Haim i ee luchshe tebja
> znaet, chtozh tebe togda, powesit'sja...
Chem zhe eto Vas tak obidelo russkoe dvorjanstvo, neugomonnyj Vy nash? Esli
Vy ne v sostojanii ustanovit', kto zhe konkretno javljaetsja Vashim ottsom,
pri chem zhe zdes' my? Vinite svoju matushku v tom, chto ona ne dostatochno
effektivno pol'zovalas' protivozachatochnymi sredstvami. I Boga radi, ne
nuzhno tak uzh do ponosa zavidovat' tem, kto vse-taki pomnit vsekh svoikh
predkov v neskol'kikh pokolenijakh. Ja ponimaju, chto k Vam eto ne
otnositsja, no u Russkikh prinjato o pokojnikakh govorit' tol'ko khoroshee,
libo nichego ne govorit' voobsche. Vy znaete, ja ispytyvau neperedavaemoe
udovol'stvie perechityvaja Vashi poslanija. Oni mne pozvoljaut zapolnit' tot
vakuum, kotoryj poluchilsja posle togo, kak ja utratil vozmozhnost', vsvjazi
s vyezdom iz Rossii, smotret' moi ljubimye televizionnye peredachi. V dannom
sluchae ja imeju vvidu "V mire zhivotnykh". Ja chrezvychajno redko v svoej
zhizni vstrechal podobnykh Vam ludej, kotorye zhivut po printsipu: "Zachem
nuzhen golovnoj mozg, kogda vpolne dostatochno spinnogo!" Beregite sebja,
dragotsennyi Vy nash! I ne propadajte nadolgo. Zhizn', baten'ka, kak-to
stanovitsja skuchnee esli v nej ne prisutstvujut takie vot personazhi.
GI...@delphi.com
> >I couldn't care less for the name of the
> >Editor-in-Chief and how many typos he misses in text. But I'm
> >absolutely not indifferent when representatives of other culture,
> ^^^^^^^
> >oftentimes of a contrary opposite one, with hostile to me values and
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >idols, including religion, dare to claim themselves as carriers of
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >Russian culture. It seems quite funny to me. As well as to many of my
> >friends of Jewish nationality, who treat NRS the same way I do.
> You must be kidding...IDOLS!!! What are you talking about?!
> And please, how did you come to the conclusion that Judaism is hostile
> to you personally?...I wanna know!
> Gene
No, Gene, I'm not kidding. Saying idol I mean idol. Look again through the
Bible or,if you'd rather,Torah. Remember what were Jewish people doing while
Moissey talked to God and carved the Testament on the stones, and why did
God turn his back to Jews? So do you remember now? If not I'll remind you.
Jews made themselves golden idol in a shape of calf and began to worship it
as supreme deity.Well,during millenniums leaders and countries were changing
only idols stay the same. Although today they have different names - gold,
dollars, you name it. Similar values are openly hostile for Russian culture
based on orthodox Christianity for millenniums. I don't mention the fact
that Jewish religion denies the very existence of Jesus Christ, it's already
theological discussion and there is point to discuss it. As for your second
question,to make a long story short I'd only say that American impression of
Russia and Russians is based on immediate contacts with Russian speaking
communities like Brighton Beach,where more than 80% of population are Soviet
Jews. 96% out of them live on public assistance - welfare and so on,who came
in US decades ago and don't even bother to learn English, I don't even
mention to look for job,which certainly requires language skills.Not to
confine to common people I give one example - Galina Vishnevskaya, wife of
V. Rostropovich.
In one of the documentaries about their life in America, after 25 years in
US to the question,how many years did they live here, she answered without
even blinking "Twony fifteen". Should I say more? So back to our sheeps,
Jewish newspaper, for some reason called "New Russian Word",is the herald
of Soviet- Jewish-welfare philosophy. You most likely paid attention to
the scams here who offer a chance to participate in Green Card Lottery "for
as little as $150". You couldn't not to notice our reaction to such offers.
Then look through this yellow press, you'll see plenty of such offers to
complete applications for political asylum "for as little as $1000" and more
in every issue. In some cases they even give 100% guarantee that you will
receive a green card. For those, who are not familiar with this kind of
problems, I'd like you to know that these companies are mostly one-day
enterprise.They usually work couple of months, then reopen office in another
place under different name with new staff.
Communicating with Americans personally and on-line, on Delphi, CompuServe,
AOL,BIX, I see more and more of expressions toward Russians: "Russians? We
know, it's entirely welfare. Ignorant rude crowd that turns their community
into criminal neighborhood, where decent people would not pass by."
They don't notice that they speak not of Russians. Similar attitude can't
not to influence the position toward Russia as whole and consequently toward
me as a person, that represents his Motherland wherever he is. This is the
answer to your second question. Hope it helped.
Alexander Burshteyn
russkogo yazyka ot idolopoklonnikov-evreev i primknuvshikh k nim
>Synok, gomoseksualizm eto ne prosto moral'noe izvraschenie, eto esche i
(i t.d., sploshnuyu beliberdu)
Vy znaete, Alex (kstati, kakoe zamechatel'noe russkoe imya: Alex), odin
chelovek mne kak-to skazal: durak, kotoryy ne ponimaet, chto on durak --
eto idiot.
Tak vot, Alex, Vy -- IDIOT.
A zhal'.
>==================================================================
> _ | \ | Alex Iatskovski
> / | | \ | GI...@delphi.com
> / | | \ / |
> /____ | | \ / |
> / | | _/ | A&M Co. P.O. Box 150519
> _/ _| & _| _| Brooklyn NY 11215-0519 USA
>==================================================================
Tut kto-to vyskazal, chto vashe imya na Delphi nado chitat' ne
po-angliyski, a po-nemetski. Ochen' verno skazano.
--
AB
******************
145 = 1! + 4! + 5!
Alex S. Katz
Alexander Burshteyn <abur...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> wrote:
[to BozhiiDar@delphi]
>chelovek mne kak-to skazal: durak, kotoryy ne ponimaet, chto on durak --
>eto idiot.
Hmm, znachit idiot ne ponimaet, chto on - durak.
>Tak vot, Alex, Vy -- IDIOT.
A chto on idiot - poimet? ;-)
>A zhal'.
Da pohuyu.
>AB
Sasha
Igor Mazin
>In article : <3gjrf1$2...@news1.delphi.com> g-nu Mazinu opjat' ne mozhetsja:
Smotrite-ka, process poshel! G-n GIFT (dalee imenuemyj w perewode na russkij -
otrava) rezko smenil stil'. Nachal s etakoh rezkih wyrazhenij na urowne zadnego
dwora Gastronoma, a takzhe s tonkim jumorom imenoval Mishu Moishej. Nu prish-
los' nadawat' emu podzatyl'nikov na ego zhe urovne. Slomalsja oskolok velikogo
roda, zawel motor i pereshel na druguju wysoty. Nu, my was i tut dostanem.
Radujtes', chto Vorob'eff ne was ne kljunul - on w etom stile profi, w poro-
shok by ster. Chto mne osobenno nrawit'sja tak eto washe zhiwoe woobrazhenie.
Ne zhelaete li spisochek? Wot Kostin wam predlozhil proitis' na ... (ja teper'
tozhe budu mat stirat' - ezheli protiwnik shpagoj ne wladeet, nado na pistolety
perehodit'). A wy otsjuda wywodite, chto on pederast. Logichno. Wot esli b on
was w... poslal, togda drugoe delo.
I galljucinacii u was ochen' jarkie. Evtushenko - evrej. I Wishnevskaj -
evrejka. A takzhe ne znaet, kak po anglijski 25. A wy znaete. Pohwal'no.
I so schetom u was plohowato, ili opjat' woobrazhenie podwodit. Wot wed' 95%
evreev iz Rossii ne rabotaet, i angliskogo ne znaet, i na welfare zhiwut.
A wot u nas na scs i anglijskij wse do odnogo luchshe was znajut, uzh izwinite.
I rabotajut, i na welfare nikogo net. A edinstwennyj, kto sjuda priehal naukoj
zanimat'sja i prowalilsja, tak eto wash duhownyj brat Viznjuk.
>
>Chem zhe eto Vas tak obidelo russkoe dvorjanstvo, neugomonnyj Vy nash? Esli
>I Boga radi, ne
>nuzhno tak uzh do ponosa zavidovat' tem, kto vse-taki pomnit vsekh svoikh
>predkov v neskol'kikh pokolenijakh. Ja ponimaju, chto k Vam eto ne
Da, muchajut was koshmary po nocham... Nado zh, chego tol'ko ne prividit'sja..
A wy kstati na moi woprosiki tak i ne owetili? Chem zhe eto was tak russkoe
dworjanstwo obidelo, chto wy dazhe Orlowyh ne znaete? Kak u nas Kropotkinskuju
zwali, my dazhe i ne wspominaem... A chego - Kropotkin russkij byl, dworjanin.
Nu znachit, pust' tak i ostaetsja. Wot ezheli by w samom dele tu ulochku w
Woronezhe ul. Mandelshtama by nazwali, eto by wy ne sterpeli, konechno.
>udovol'stvie perechityvaja Vashi poslanija. Oni mne pozvoljaut zapolnit' tot
Interesno. I mne nrawit'sja. Nehoroshee eto udowol'stwie - bit' teh kto
slabej tebja, nu tak w semje ne bez uroda. Nehoroshij ja chelowek.
>Ja chrezvychajno redko v svoej >zhizni vstrechal podobnykh Vam ludej
Da uzh nawernoe. Gdezh nam bylo wstrechat'sja? Wy w moskowskoj kwartirke
protokoly sionskih mudrecow pochitywali, a ja w eto wremja s pjanymi
rybakami w shtorm iz Kemi na Solovki plyl. Ili wy na zasedanijah Pamjati
shtanishki prosizhiwali, a ja w eto wremja plotnikom rabotal, toporom
po chuzhim dachkam mahal. Kak-to dazhe general'she stroili...
Ili wy na wystawke Glazunowa sljunki raspuskali, a ja w eto wremja
po goram lazal. Ili podpol'nye KSP-shye koncerty organizowywal. Ili arhi-
tekturno-istoricheskie exkursii po Moskwe vodil.
Tak chto gde zh nam bylo wstretit'sja. Krome kak na s.c.s, westimo.
>
Tak chto do wstrechi, ljubeznyj. Ja eshe na washem sosednem postike po-
pljashu i spat' pojdu.
Igor Mazin
>
>No, Gene, I'm not kidding. Saying idol I mean idol. Look again through the
>Bible or,if you'd rather,Torah. Remember what were Jewish people doing while
>Moissey talked to God and carved the Testament on the stones, and why did
>God turn his back to Jews? So do you remember now? If not I'll remind you.
>Jews made themselves golden idol in a shape of calf and began to worship it
Prijatno pogoworit' s obrazowannym chelowekom. Do zolotogo tel'ca dochital,
a wot 10 zapowedej Moiseewyh ne udosuzhilsja. Nam chego Moisej welel: ne
sotwori sebe kumira. Wot my i ne tworim. S teh por.
>as supreme deity.Well,during millenniums leaders and countries were changing
>only idols stay the same. Although today they have different names - gold,
>dollars, you name it. Similar values are openly hostile for Russian culture
Stalo byt' wse-taki wash pokornyj sluga element russkoj kul'tury? A to kak
poluchaetsja: Berem tipichnogo evreja Mazina so skol'zkoj familiem. I smotrim
ego genealogicheskoe drewo:
fizik (ja sam)
fizik inzhener-radiotehnik
Master na zawode domohozjaka buhgalter chertezhnica
ded^ babka^ ded^ babka^
djadja: rodnoj - architektor, dwojurodnye - dwa shofera, priemshica w
fotoatel'e, plotnik, praporshchik, geolog, wrach, himik. Himik prawda potom
swihnulsja. Zolota prjamo more, ne tak li?
>based on orthodox Christianity for millenniums. I don't mention the fact
And how MANY milleniums, may I ask?
>Jews. 96% out of them live on public assistance - welfare and so on,who came
Maybe, 95.87%?
>in US decades ago and don't even bother to learn English, I don't even
>mention to look for job,which certainly requires language skills.Not to
Again, how MANY skills?
>confine to common people I give one example - Galina Vishnevskaya, wife of
Why, let's speak about common people. Your humble servant, for instance.
Moderate knowledge of English - more than enough for lecturing, though.
Reasonable German - enough not to be hindered in communications. French's
rusty - but a newspaper I can read, still. With some difficulty, I can read
and write Yiddish. My Old Russian is mediocre - bu I used to be able to read
faximile of 12th century Russian manuscripts. And can tell Imperfect from
Aorist in "Slovo o Polku Igorewe" ( ljubimyj wopros na filfake).
And you may notice that I am by far not the most educated person in the net.
And by far not in Brighton Beach. Ili naprimer moi staryj znakomyj, pensioner
s Brighton Beach. Po anglijski - sredne, a wot naprimer w washem wozraste
znal ispanskij tak, chto wsju woinu prowoeval v Belorussii - na _toj_
storone, kak ispanskij kapral. Prostoj evrejskij Stirlitz.
>the scams here who offer a chance to participate in Green Card Lottery "for
>as little as $150". You couldn't not to notice our reaction to such offers.
Pardon, wshu reakciju ne zametil (opjat' my, Nikolaj III... Aj-aj-aj,
wy hot' i dworjanin, no poka ne imperator...). A wy moiju?
>Then look through this yellow press, you'll see plenty of such offers to
>complete applications for political asylum "for as little as $1000" and more
>in every issue. In some cases they even give 100% guarantee that you will
>receive a green card. For those, who are not familiar with this kind of
>problems, I'd like you to know that these companies are mostly one-day
>enterprise.They usually work couple of months, then reopen office in another
>place under different name with new staff.
A chto, was uzhe naduli? Ah oni zhidy, obmanuli russkogo cheloweka. Poo-
beshchali asylum, i ne dali... A wy po zakonu ne probowali? Esli ot was
est' pol'za etoj strane, tak vy mozhete poiti i poluchit' swoju Green Cartu
za $75 bez wsjakogo asylum. A esli ot was nikakogo tolku net, zachem zhe
wam G.C. dawat'? Ja amerikancew ponimaju.
>Similar attitude can't not to influence the position toward Russia as whole..
Not bad, yeah? I sort of like his style...
>me as a person, that represents his Motherland wherever he is. This is the
>answer to your second question. Hope it helped.
Pomilujte. Moi 2nd question was, chej dom stoit za domom Orlova na Kropot-
kinskoj. A wy chto? Nehorosho, ochen' grubo uviliwaete. Dwoika, prihodite
s zachetkoj w sledujushchij raz.
Alexy V. Khrabrov
Da net zhe, po huyu ego, po huyu!
m...@physics.berkeley.edu
>predkov v neskol'kikh pokolenijakh. Ja ponimaju, chto k Vam eto ne
Tak khochetsja ob Alexe chto-nibud' khoroshee takoje skazat', dobroje.
Mozhet Petju poprosit', a?
Yury
Vladimir Makarkin
Igor Chudov,ti moi post chital? S chego bazar nachalsya pomnish?
Ya skazal chto Pamyat' svoe rassledovanie provela i okazalas' prava.
A raznica v tom, chto etot ebun tuhlii v Izraile, a ne v tyurme.
Vladimir
Simon Streltsov
: Slushaj, a, k primeru, mashinu ty tozhe po Talmudu pokupaesh'?
ObJoke: (teryaet v perevode s Yiddish):
prihodit chelovek k ravviny i govorit:
"hochy postroit' dom, pokagite mne shto gemara (Talmud)
govorit po etomy povody". Oni posideli, viuchili.
Cherez nedelyu prihodit on nazad, i govorit:
"Poslushaite - ya postroil dom po gemare - i on
razvalilsya"
"AAA, Rashi zadaet tot ge vopros !"
(Rashi - commentator on Talmud, who is printed on the same page
of Talmud on a side).
Simon Streltsov
: Slushaj, a, k primeru, mashinu ty tozhe po Talmudu pokupaesh'?
there could be a number of issues of business ethics and personal
conduct involved
a. if 2 people are buying the same car: there are limits to which
you can cut into the other person's deal
b. the seller can not knowingly overcharge you (=> 1/6 of cost).
So, if you are buying from a Jewish dealer and you find out that
he overcharged you , you can take him to a Jewish court
c. if you sell a "used" car, probably, you should disclose the
problems of the car - more than required by American law
d. influenced by talmud,
you may think about buying a cheaper car and
a set of Talmud.
Sergey Petrov
S.Petrov
Sergey Petrov
...
> - ezheli protiwnik shpagoj ne wladeet, nado na pistolety
>perehodit').
>
Duel' s lakeem....
Razve eto vozmozhno?
Nokogda ne slyshal o podobnom.
Vydrat' merzavtsa i zabyt'...
S.Petrov
Leon Keylin
>No, Gene, I'm not kidding. Saying idol I mean idol. Look again through
the
>Bible or,if you'd rather,Torah. Remember what were Jewish people doing
while
>Moissey talked to God and carved the Testament on the stones, and why
did
>God turn his back to Jews?
I think a person that has no knowledge of Judaism should not attempt to
obscure it with silly remarks.
> Although today they have different names - gold,
>dollars, you name it.
Same thing many KKK members have said, and the Nazi's focused on back in
WWII. According to this, you seem to be saying that the IDOLS the Jewish
people worshipped seem to be "genetically" imbedded in their little
heads. Now they can;t stop themselves about thinking about gold and
money. Very interesting Alex, you never cease to amaze me.
>communities like Brighton Beach,where more than 80% of population are
Soviet
>Jews. 96% out of them live on public assistance - welfare and so on,who
came in US decades ago and don't even bother to learn English, I don't
even>>>
Where are these stats from?
Brighton Beach was nothing it is now.When the Russian Jews were arriving
there was a turnover rate. Many stayed but most left. Now, anything that
comes there, stays. You were not even here when it was when "Russian
Jews were dominating Brighton Beach, so how can you comment? The reason
the welfare problem has arrisen has nothing to do with ethnicity of the
people.
You are an intelligent human being, don't ruin it by being an anti
semite. It will not get you anywhere.
Leon Keylin
74343,4...@Compuserve.com
m...@physics.berkeley.edu
> zatyanem podprugu. No voobsche, ya evfemizmov nikogda ne lyubil
> i privyk nazyvat' govno govnom, huj huem, a pripezdnytyh
Kakoi Vy, Roma, grubyj. Nado zhe otdavat' dolzhnoje projskhozhdeniju cheloveka:
ne prosto gavno, a goluboje gavno. Ili beloje, v zavisimosti ot konsistencii.
Yury
Roman Kostin
Sergey Petrov <p...@druid.epm.ornl.gov> wrote:
>Vysech' na konjushne etogo muzhika, chtob ne prikidyvalsja dvorjaninom!
Nu, s dvoryanami na Rusi tozhe ne sil'no tsatskalis'.
Vot, Iatkovskij, k primeru - gomofob. I dvoryanin. Interesno, chital li on
"Epifanskie Shlyuzy"?
>S.Petrov
--
Kostin
Aleksey Y. Romanov
>
>Twoja reakcija mne nrawit'sja. Na wtoroj, konechno. J narochno ne postawil.
>A zasluga ih byla w tom, chto oni byli ne duraki. Razwe etogo ne dostatochno?
IMHO, ne durakov bylo 3 za vsyu istoriyu sovetskoi literatury: Bulgakov,
Pasternak i Solzhenitsinyn, ostal'nye byli v toi ili inoi stepeni
nastoyschimi revolutsionerami => byli durakami.
Aleksey
Simon Streltsov
I dont think he is - he has maybe a strange attitudes, but he
certainly reflects certain school of thought - and even when he
can be blamed for not thinking too deep - most of the blame goes to
his sources of information
GI...@delphi.com wrote:
: No, Gene, I'm not kidding. Saying idol I mean idol. Look again through the
: Bible or,if you'd rather,Torah. Remember what were Jewish people doing while
: Moissey talked to God and carved the Testament on the stones, and why did
: God turn his back to Jews? So do you remember now? If not I'll remind you.
: Jews made themselves golden idol in a shape of calf and began to worship it
: as supreme deity.
Of course, he means what he says. And, of course, it is not the only
episode of the Torah, where one or many Jews do wrong things.
And there is a lot to be said about how and why Jews struggled with
idolworship, but once one read at least 5 books of Moses, one sees
that despite all this, Torah still speaks about Jews as His nation,
gives them _eternal_ laws, et cetera.
Therefore, one may conclude that
a/ GIFT did not read it himself, but learned it from someone else
or
b/ he was first told that Jews are idolworshipers, and then he read
the Bible.
Of course, the only source of this opinion might be (O?) Xianity -
I dont know - is it something GIFT inherited, or learned on his own.
Can someone more knowledgable than me say,
would, for example, Alexander Men', hold such or similar views?
:Well,during millenniums leaders and countries were changing
: only idols stay the same.
I am not sure, is it a general notion, or a hint to denial
that Jews were monotheists for significant part of their history.
(say, after destruction of the first Temple - that was destroyed
for idolworship).
: Although today they have different names - gold,
: dollars, you name it.
Almost exact quote from Talmud (Sanhedrin, 1a?) -
go and check details. Add "power" to the list.
:Similar values are openly hostile for Russian culture
: based on orthodox Christianity for millenniums.
Of course, one has to have 2 mil to use plural, but this is a minor point (-:
: I don't mention the fact
: that Jewish religion denies the very existence of Jesus Christ, it's already
: theological discussion and there is point to discuss it.
This is strange - I am not sure where it is coming from.
One can understand Jews doubting monotheism of Xianity, because
of the antropomorphisms, but calling Jews idolworshipers for _not_
accepting him - sounds strange. I could understand any other
bad words - but "idolworshipers?"
: AOL,BIX, I see more and more of expressions toward Russians: "Russians? We
: know, it's entirely welfare. Ignorant rude crowd that turns their community
: into criminal neighborhood, where decent people would not pass by."
Here is a controversial view on this subject:
Russia tried to assimilate the peoples they occupied, and then
and corrupt them together with their own people.
So, now you have to pay the price for being mixed up with the
results of this half-successful experiment...
Simon Streltsov
: Vysech' na konjushne etogo muzhika, chtob ne prikidyvalsja dvorjaninom!
Well, you are an optimist,
but would you say, if he happens to be a _real_ dvoryanin...
that would be sad, wouldn't it?!
Simon Streltsov
: In article 19...@granite.ciw.edu, ma...@quartz.ciw.edu (Igor Mazin) writes:
: > - ezheli protiwnik shpagoj ne wladeet, nado na pistolety
: >perehodit').
: >.....
: >
: Duel' s lakeem....
Napominanie koeny Maziny:
evrei dueli ne uvagayut, kak i mnogie drugie zabavi "aristokratov".
Try to compete with him as Eliyahu did with Baal-priests:
put the sacrifices, and see who will be answered...
(do we have any levites in this group, to assist out koen?)
p.s. don't try to do it in front of White House down there -
potom skandalov ne obereshsya:
"Russkii emigrant zarezal korovu/golubya odevshis' v belie
l'nyanie odegdi. FBR investigates chronicles of the 2 Temple ..."
Vladimir Makarkin
says...
>
>In article <3gmtkf$a...@its.hooked.net> maka...@hooked.net (Vladimir
Makarkin) writes:
>>In article <31Jan95.14...@granite.ciw.edu>, ma...@quartz.ciw.edu
>>says...
>>>
>>>In article <3gku4k$7...@its.hooked.net> maka...@hooked.net (Vladimir
>>Makarkin) writes:
>>>>In article <3gjrf1$2...@news1.delphi.com>, GI...@delphi.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A che Pamyat'? Pamyat' kontora OK. Pomnyu oni pervie skazali chto
Tal'kova
>>>>evrei ubil. Tut vse kipesh podnyali: "Kak vam ne stidno,kak vam ne
>>>
>>>Opjat' wresh'
>>
>>
>>A chto ya vru? Chto Tal'kova ubili? Chto ego ubil evrei? Chto Pamyat' svoe
>>rassledovanie provela i pravdu skazala? Chto nikto ne veril snachala? Chto
>>vse na telohranitelya Azizi greshili?
Ti tak i ne otvetil,v chem ya vral.Nu da ladno,zamnem.
>
>Tak on zhe tozhe evrej.
Kto "on"? Malahov? Tal'kov? Chto-to ya ne v'ehal.
> Chestno goworja mne slitno-razdel'no i Tal'kow i kto
>ego ubil.
A vot mne Tal'kov ne pohuyu.Mne Kobzon pohuyu.
> Nehorosho ubivat'. A u was gnusnaja priwychka perwym delom bezhat'
>wyjasnjat' - evrej-ne evrej, evrej-ne evrej. Evrej-ubijcy tozhe est', hotja
>w silu sluchajnyh isoricheskih prichin sredi evreev ubijcy wstrechajutsja
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
rezhe.
^^^^^^
A tak li?
Protivno eto,no davai na vskidku: Kak ubiic Vitte i Stolipina zvali?
Blyumkin kto bil? 3/4 Soveta Narodnih Komissarov? Ili kto millioni ubil uzhe
ne ubivec,a chto-to drugoe? Poehali dal'she: nazvanie Deir-Yasin tebe ni o
chem ne govorit? A Sabra i Shatila?
YA NE GOVORYU CHTO SREDI EVREEV UBIIC BOL'SHE. No tvoe zayavlenie eto
polnaya huinya.
>
>A twoja Pamjat' mne eshe s serediny 80-h poperek gorla stoit, eshe do
togo,
>kak oni zudet' nachali. Pomni, w konce 70-h, nachale 80-h, taskalsja ja s
>druz'jami po wsjakim polurazrushennym monastyrjam i derewenskim cerkwam.
God
>postroiki mog bez katalogov do +-20 let opredeljat'. I togda my tochno
>znali - esli tam eshe takie, w shtormovka, s fotoapparatom i gorjashchimi
>glazami - znachit nashi ljudi, s nimi mozhno zadushevno pogoworit'. W
pasporta,
>sam ponimaesh', ne smotreli. A wot godu k 85 stali strannye lichnosti po-
>padat'sja. Derzhat'sja wysokomerno, razgowariwat' ne hotjat. A u menja k
>slowu wneshnost' hot' seichas w jeshiwu otprawljaj. Esli telom pomen'she,
>norowit w storonku otojti. A esli ih neskol'ko, objazatel'no chego nibud'
>naschet russkih i nerusskih komissarow otpustjat.
>
Vozmozhno,problema bila v tom,Igor', chto s seredini 80h Pamyat' nachala
vosstanavlivat' cerkvi,a te , kto v shtormovkav i s goryashimi glazami
pochemuto ne speshili eto delat', a chasto norovili i spizdit'
chto-nibud',chto do nih ne spizdili (k tebe eto ne otnositsya).
Da,da ,Igor',ti ne oslishalsya.Pamyat' vosstanavlivaet cerkvi.Esli
nastaivaesh,mogu dozvonit'sya v Rossiyu i nazvat' tebe konkretnie nazvaniya
i cifri.I eshe neskol'ko ochen' horoshih del u nih na schetu.
A chto ne ponravilis' oni tebe,chtozh ,delo vkusa. No ,glyadi, cherez vsyu
SCS krasnoi nit'yu prohodit misl': ne sudite o evreyah po Brayton-bichskoi
pizdobratii,tak?
Tak pochemu ti schtitaesh sebya vprave sudit' o vsei organizacii po ee
otdel'nim predstavitelyam,s kotorimi ti obshii yazik ne nashel?
A vot skazhi chestno,ti programnie dokumenti ih chital? Ne gazetnie
perelozheniya,ne TV kommentarii glupie,a pervoistochniki.Tol'ko
chestno,Igor'.
>Koroche, brosil ja eti razwlechenija potomuchto protivno stalo.
Tak to tol'ko razvlecheniya bili,nu brosil,ne smertel'no ved',pravda?
>>.
>>>
>>>Tak i u tebja. Esli ubili o. A. Menja - ubili swjashennika. A esli
>>>ubili Tal'kova - ubil evrej.
>>
>>A ti znaesh' kto ubil Menia? A ti uveren chto ego ne evrei ubil? Na vse
100%
>>uveren?
>>
>Ja na 100% uveren, no dokazat' ne mogu.
>>
Ya pochemu sprosil,na skol'ko ti procentov uveren: pomnish istoriyu gde-to
konca 80h s oskverneniem evreiskogo kladbisha v Parizhe.Merzkaya istoriya (s
pokoinikami tol'ko pidarasi gnoinie voyuyut), tam eshe Mitteran
izvinyalsya,vspomnil? A chem ona konchilas' pomnish? Vozmozhno, chto ne
pomnish, potomu- chto konec etoi istorii bil napechatan ochen' melkimi,nu
ochen' melkimi, bukvami na poslednih stranicah.Koroche ti uzhe ponyal,da?
Emu kazalos', chto bor'ba s antisemitizmom vo Francii vedet'sya
nedostatochno uporno,nado podnyat' volnu vozmushenia.Nu on i podnyal.
Tak chto bud' ostorozhnee s "uverennostyu na 100%" , ladno?
>>Nu vot,priehali.A eshe v galstuke!
>
>Galstuk so wremen woennoj kafedry odin raz nadewal - na interview w
>Gollandii. Wse rawno ne wzjali.
>
Nu togda v shlyape. :)
Vladimir
Olga Waupotitsch
[stuff describingg differences between chistian and jewish religions del]
I don't like people who say "my religion is better than your religion"
or "my culture is better than your culture"
This is one of the points you make. It is nonsence.
Another point you make: that NRS represents Jewish-russian culture
and Jewish religion but it is called "novoe RUSSKOE svolo" and as you say it
misrepresents russian culture - is something whch has SOME "zdravyi smysl"
in it, and I am willing to argue about it.
From my experience there is no difference in culture between russian and
russian jews. The only difference is that Jews have a regular "oppressed
minority culture" similar to what blacks have here, i.e. considering
each other brothers and sisters, sticking together, being very proud of their
famous people.
And why should there be a difference? we and our parents too did not have any
religion when we grew up, went to the same school and kindergatens,
read the same books, watched the same movies.
The only difference was that Jewish boys sometimes were being beaten up
in those summer camps and schools but this doesn't make their culture
different, just adds victim culture.
There is Jewish culture, there is Jewish religion. Majority of Russian Jews
in Russia are out of touch with both.
or do you mean that the culture is GENETIC, that jewish person raised in
exactly the same evironment will grow up more greedy and with predisposition
to lie/cheat?
>In one of the documentaries about their life in America, after 25 years in
>US to the question,how many years did they live here, she answered without
>even blinking "Twony fifteen". Should I say more? So back to our sheeps,
>Jewish newspaper, for some reason called "New Russian Word",is the herald
>of Soviet- Jewish-welfare philosophy. You most likely paid attention to
>the scams here who offer a chance to participate in Green Card Lottery "for
>as little as $150". You couldn't not to notice our reaction to such offers.
>Then look through this yellow press, you'll see plenty of such offers to
>complete applications for political asylum "for as little as $1000" and more
>in every issue. In some cases they even give 100% guarantee that you will
>receive a green card. For those, who are not familiar with this kind of
>problems, I'd like you to know that these companies are mostly one-day
>enterprise.They usually work couple of months, then reopen office in another
>place under different name with new staff.
You mentioned yourself that majority of immigrants from Russia here are Jews.
Russians could not immigrate. the only Russians that come here are the best
people who somehow fought and deserved this opportunity to work abroad.
How do you know that if average sample of russians came there as immigrants,
they wouldn't have formed exactly the same (sick) community as Brighton Beach"?
Also: there are very few Jews in Russia right now.
You mean to say that there are no criminals cheats and greedy people
in Russia and that there are no ads like the ones you described in Russia?
I doubt it. Or are you saying that all such examples have Jews behind them?
Wake up!
In my experience people who have limited brain capacity tend to classify
eveything in the world into categories so it is easier to think.
Olga
Marina Balzak
> I don't like people who say "my religion is better than your religion"
And I like Voltaire who drew the line between believing in God and
believing in organized religion. If I can see how believing in God
_can_ make some sense, I don't see how a person can believe in
an organized religion, regardless of what religion that is.
> From my experience there is no difference in culture between russian and
> russian jews. The only difference is that Jews have a regular "oppressed
> minority culture" similar to what blacks have here, i.e. considering
> each other brothers and sisters, sticking together, being very proud of their
> famous people.
Yes, and why should not we be proud of who we are?! And I don't see
how that's different from being proud of being Ukrainian and worshiping
Taras Shevchenko.
> There is Jewish culture, there is Jewish religion. Majority of Russian Jews
> in Russia are out of touch with both.
Agreed.
> >In one of the documentaries about their life in America, after 25 years in
> >US to the question,how many years did they live here, she answered without
> >even blinking "Twony fifteen". Should I say more? So back to our sheeps,
That reminds me of Dovlatov's 'Inostranka'... I don't have his
book in front of me now, but it went something like 'v nashem rayone
kogda mi slishim ludey kotorie govoryat po-angliyski, mi podhodim
k nim i govorim 'pojaluysta govori po-russki, i v debyati sluchayah iz
desyati oni nachinaut govorit' po-russki.'
> You mentioned yourself that majority of immigrants from Russia here are Jews.
> Russians could not immigrate. the only Russians that come here are the best
> people who somehow fought and deserved this opportunity to work abroad.
I am afraid I will have to disagree. From my experience a lot of
Russians that come here to work or to do their grad work didn't
fight for it, but had mam i pap kotorie im eto ustroili.
I don't mean to generalize, I am sure there are others who came here
through the hard work, etc, but you cannot say that _the only_ Russians
who come here are genius angel like people.
> In my experience people who have limited brain capacity tend to classify
> eveything in the world into categories so it is easier to think.
<smile> but most things in the world _can_ be classified into categories.
Luv 'n peace,
MAPUHA
Duke U.
Igor Chudov
: > Tam gruppa tovarischej sobralas' pojti na ...[ja ster mat - A.I.]
: > Ya nastojchivo Vam predlagayu k nim prisoedinit'sya.
: Synok, gomoseksualizm eto ne prosto moral'noe izvraschenie, eto esche i
: raznovidnost' psikhicheskogo zabolevanija. Mne zhal', chto ty stradaesh'
: etim merzkim nedugom, no uzh koli tak sluchilos', to postarajsja khotja by
: ponjat',chto mir sostoit ne iz odnikh tol'ko osobej neponjtnogo pola,kotorye
: vidimo sostavljajut krug tvoikh blizhajshikh prijateley-lubovnikov. Vprochem
: dlja tebja eshe ne vse poterjano. Ty mozhesh' obratit'sja k psikhiatoru, a
: esli tak uzh nravit'sja,chto prosto vplot' do porosjach'ego vizga, ty vsegda
: mozhesh sdelat' operatsiju po izmeneniju pola (mozhet-uzhe?).
Ny brat, ty daesh. Ty eto vseryoz - vosprinimat' "poshel na huj" kak
priglashenie k sexu?
: I Boga radi, ne upotrebljaj maternykh vyrazhenij, eto tak ne seksual'no!
Eto ne dolzhno byt' seksual'no, eto sposob vyrazhenija toski po rodine.
- Igor.
Igor Chudov
: In article : <3gjrf1$2...@news1.delphi.com> g-nu Mazinu opjat' ne mozhetsja:
: > Udivitel'no, kak wyrozhdajutsja nekotorye drevnie roda...
: > Odin takoj blagorodnyj uzhe otwalil w nebytie, takoj Esq. Tereshchenko,
: > (ne putat' s Dr. Hyde, Esq.). Shel by i ty tuda zhe, znatok Noble Book.
: > A to ne daj Bog okazhetsja, tut kakoj-nibud' Haim i ee luchshe tebja
: > znaet, chtozh tebe togda, powesit'sja...
: Chem zhe eto Vas tak obidelo russkoe dvorjanstvo, neugomonnyj Vy nash? Esli
: Vy ne v sostojanii ustanovit', kto zhe konkretno javljaetsja Vashim ottsom,
: pri chem zhe zdes' my? Vinite svoju matushku v tom, chto ona ne dostatochno
: effektivno pol'zovalas' protivozachatochnymi sredstvami. I Boga radi, ne
: nuzhno tak uzh do ponosa zavidovat' tem, kto vse-taki pomnit vsekh svoikh
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: predkov v neskol'kikh pokolenijakh. Ja ponimaju, chto k Vam eto ne
: otnositsja, no u Russkikh prinjato o pokojnikakh govorit' tol'ko khoroshee,
: libo nichego ne govorit' voobsche.
: Vy znaete, ja ispytyvau neperedavaemoe
: udovol'stvie perechityvaja Vashi poslanija. Oni mne pozvoljaut zapolnit' tot
: vakuum, kotoryj poluchilsja posle togo, kak ja utratil vozmozhnost', vsvjazi
: s vyezdom iz Rossii, smotret' moi ljubimye televizionnye peredachi. V dannom
: sluchae ja imeju vvidu "V mire zhivotnykh".
Idi v zerkalo posmotri, zapolnish svoj vacuum. Esli net zerkala, shodi
i kupi.
Kstati, ne namekaesh li ty, chto my dolzhny tebe v chem-to zavidovat'?
Xu-Xu.
- Igor.
Igor Chudov
: Communicating with Americans personally and on-line, on Delphi, CompuServe,
: AOL,BIX, I see more and more of expressions toward Russians: "Russians? We
: know, it's entirely welfare. Ignorant rude crowd that turns their community
: into criminal neighborhood, where decent people would not pass by."
: They don't notice that they speak not of Russians. Similar attitude can't
: not to influence the position toward Russia as whole and consequently toward
: me as a person, that represents his Motherland wherever he is. This is the
: answer to your second question. Hope it helped.
Communicating with you mostly on-line [oh great luck!] I have the following
impression: Iatkovski? Ignorant rude antisemit who turns scs into criminal
neighborhood, where decent people would not pass by. [ ... see above ]
Really, try at least to read and understand what you are replying to.
- Igor.
George Chesakov
|> Zolota prjamo more, ne tak li?
Ja znaju otkuda legenda o bogatstve evreev. Oni platjat za vse.
Stanislav Lec.
U nas net antisemitizma potomu, chto my ne schitaem sebja huzhe evreev.
Winston Churchill
--
naive
Stupidity is a choice.
Igor Mazin
>In article <01Feb95.0...@granite.ciw.edu>, ma...@quartz.ciw.edu
>says...
>>
>polnaya huinya.
(Pardon, soblazn velik...)
Na samom dele twoie pis'mo wpolne razumno, i kak takowoe zasluzhiwaet
ser'eznoj kritiki. Sejchas u menja net wremeni, no ja obeshchaju, chto otwechu
m.b. po e-mailu. Esli zahochesh', potom zapostuesh'.
I.
Igor Mazin
>
>Napominanie koeny Maziny:
>
>Try to compete with him as Eliyahu did with Baal-priests:
>put the sacrifices, and see who will be answered...
Ne imeju prawa. Ugadaj, pochemu? (daju tri popytki).
GI...@delphi.com
> >No, Gene, I'm not kidding. Saying idol I mean idol. Look again through
> the
> >Bible or,if you'd rather,Torah. Remember what were Jewish people doing
> while
> >Moissey talked to God and carved the Testament on the stones, and why
> did
> >God turn his back to Jews?
> I think a person that has no knowledge of Judaism should not attempt to
> obscure it with silly remarks.
books of Moissey, or what is called Old Testament. What you call "silly
remarks" are not my fantsies, but a real part of Bible and, consequently, of
Torah as it is part of Bible. I don't know wether Moissey was a member of
KKK, but since the authorship of the first five books belongs to him, all
the complaints should be addressed to him. Although a bit late <g>.
>Now they can;t stop themselves about thinking about gold
>and money. Very interesting Alex, you never cease to amaze me.
with the word "money" and terms like sale, save, coupons are simply in your
blood!
> >communities like Brighton Beach,where more than 80% of population are
> Soviet
> >Jews. 96% out of them live on public assistance - welfare and so
>on,who came in US decades ago and don't even bother to learn English,
>I don't even>>>
> Where are these stats from?
> Brighton Beach was nothing it is now.When the Russian Jews were
>arriving there was a turnover rate. Many stayed but most left. Now,
>anything that comes there, stays. You were not even here when it was
>when "Russian Jews were dominating Brighton Beach, so how can you
>comment? The reason the welfare problem has arrisen has nothing to do
>with ethnicity of the people.
> You are an intelligent human being, don't ruin it by being an anti
> semite. It will not get you anywhere.
> Leon Keylin
> 74343,4...@Compuserve.com
discussions on CompuServe. What Brighton Beach was before I know from
Americans who witnessed its "development". I don't think you have this
infromation either living in one of the nice neighborhood of Staten Island.
As for today Brighton Beach you wouldn't deny it's a slop hole of Soviet
immigration. Before it was America, today it's little Odessa, where without
Russian language one can't buy a pack of sigarettes sometimes. This is
really amazing for Americans unfortunately living in that area. Oftentimes I
myself hardly understand their language and what they mean when I hear
something like: "Net, Mosya, u nas uzhe vsyo OK. Moya doch' konchaet na
komputer, a syn zanimaietsya yazykom". The same vocabulary is on Russian TV
and in so-called "Novoye Russkoye Slovo". Where does the world go?
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GI...@delphi.com
> In article <3gp78d$7...@news1.delphi.com>, odinokiy zashchitnik Rossii i
> russkogo yazyka ot idolopoklonnikov-evreev i primknuvshikh k nim
> gomoseksualistov na velfere, <GI...@delphi.com> wrote:
Kto zhe Vam skazal uvazhaemyj Vy nash, cho ja odin? To to Vy perekhodite
snormal'noy rechi na porosjachij vizg pri odnom tol'ko upominanii imja
"PAMJAT'"!
> >Synok, gomoseksualizm eto ne prosto moral'noe izvraschenie, eto
>esche i
Izvinite, chto zatronul Vashu bol'nuju strunu! Ja prosto vyskazal svoju
tochku zrenija na Vash obraz zhizny.
> Vy znaete, Alex (kstati, kakoe zamechatel'noe russkoe imya: Alex), odin
> chelovek mne kak-to skazal: durak, kotoryy ne ponimaet, chto on durak
>-- eto idiot.
Simon Streltsov
: >Napominanie koeny Maziny:
: >
: >Try to compete with him as Eliyahu did with Baal-priests:
: >put the sacrifices, and see who will be answered...
: Ne imeju prawa. Ugadaj, pochemu? (daju tri popytki).
A. You are not a prophet as Eliyahu was, and, therefore,
you can not go against the commandment that says that sacrificies
can be done only on the Temple Mount
B. You are disqualified as cohen - your father married someone wrong,
or you are physically disabled (one leg or two heads?)
C. partiinaya distsiplina ne posvolyaet
GI...@delphi.com
> Smotrite-ka, process poshel! G-n GIFT (dalee imenuemyj w perewode na
>russkij - otrava) rezko smenil stil'.
Net uvazhaemyj, stil' kak byl tak i ostalsja. A vot slovo GIFT perevoditsja
s anglijskogo, kak PODAROK. Ochevidno eto znachenije i pobudilo Vas k
bumagomaratel'stvu. No tut vy nemnogo proschitalis', ja umeju razgovarivat'
s lud'mi Vashego intellekta. Dolgie gody svoey zhizni ja provel v strogikh
lagerjakh na severe Rossii. A tam kakikh tol'ko passazhirov ne bylo!
>A wot u nas na
>scs i anglijskij wse do odnogo luchshe was znajut, uzh izwinite. I
>rabotajut, i na welfare nikogo net. A edinstwennyj, kto sjuda priehal
>naukoj zanimat'sja i prowalilsja, tak eto wash duhownyj brat Viznjuk.
Nu u nas na scs rasnye ljudi vstrechajutsja, popadautsja i takie kak vy,
naprimer. Po povodu togo, kto kuda i zachem priekhal, vy ochevidno plokho
sebe predstavljaete, cho takoe scs. Zdes' ogromnoe kolichestvo v otlichie
ot Vas absoljutno porjadochnykh ludej, kotorye voobsche nikuda ne uezzhali.
> Da, muchajut was koshmary po nocham... Nado zh, chego tol'ko ne
>prividit'sja..
Net, Vy znaete - ja na udivlenie uravnoveshennyj chelovek. I splju
normal'no. Pravda ne vsegda. Poslednij raz ne spal neskol'ko nochey podrjad
v oktjabre 93, posle rasstrela russkogo parlamenta.
>Kropotkin russkij byl, dworjanin. Nu znachit, pust' tak i ostaetsja.
>Wot ezheli by w samom dele tu ulochku w Woronezhe ul. Mandelshtama by
>nazwali, eto by wy ne sterpeli, konechno.
Vy naprasno jurodstvueete. Lichnost' Knjazja Kropotkina byla ne v bol'shom
pochete u sovetskikh vlastey, no ved' i Plekhanov byl dlja nikh dostatochno
odioznoj figuroj. Chto kasaetsja Grafa Orlova, to uchityvaja rol' kotoruju
sygrali predstaviteli etogo roda v ubijstve Pasputina i v posledujushem
sverzhenii Monarkha, udivitel'no, chto kommunisty emu pamjatnik ne
postavili. Tut Vy absolutno pravy.
> Da uzh nawernoe. Gdezh nam bylo wstrechat'sja? Wy w moskowskoj
>kwartirke protokoly sionskih mudrecow pochitywali, a ja w eto wremja s
>pjanymi rybakami w shtorm iz Kemi na Solovki plyl. Ili wy na
>zasedanijah Pamjati shtanishki prosizhiwali, a ja w eto wremja
>plotnikom rabotal, toporom po chuzhim dachkam mahal. Kak-to dazhe
>general'she stroili... Ili wy na wystawke Glazunowa sljunki
>raspuskali, a ja w eto wremja po goram lazal. Ili podpol'nye KSP-shye
>koncerty organizowywal. Ili arhi- tekturno-istoricheskie exkursii po
>Moskwe vodil.
Da, byla u menja kvartira v Moskve. Vremeni pravdo osobenno ne bylo, chto by
knizhki pochityvat'. I Protokoly Sionskikh Mudretsov chital. Poskol'ku ne
khotel byt' pokhozhim na kakogo-nibyd' "znatnogo truzhennika"
zajavljajyschego s tribuny partsobranija "My etoy novoj knigi otschepentsa
Solzhenitsina ne chitali, no smelo mozhem skazat'..." I na zasedanijakh
Pamjati byval, khotja nikogda i ne byl chlenom Pamjati. Ja byl odnim is
sozdatelej Moskovskogo Narodnogo Fronta, rukovodil sluzhboj bezopasnosti
etoj organizatsii. Iz za chego i zhil poslednie dva goda svoej zhizni v sssr
na nelegal'nom polozhenii, nakhodjas' vo vsesojuznom rozyske. Kstati, kakuju
konkretno Pamjat' Vy imeete v vidy? Dmitrija Vasil'eva, Sycheva, ili kakuju
nibud' esche? Ja pochti so vsemi nimi znakom lichno, esli govorit' o
rukovodstve etikh organizatsyj. Ne toropites' delat' iz etogo daleko
iduschikh vyvodov, poskol'ku mnogikh liderov pravozaschitnykh organizatsij,
v tom chisle i evrejskikh ja tozhe znayu. Mne ne prishlos' vodit' ekskursii
po Moskve, ja v eto vremja ustraival demonstratsii na Pushkinskoj ploschadi.
Vot i pogovorily! Khvatit na segodnja.
GI...@delphi.com
> Tak khochetsja ob Alexe chto-nibud' khoroshee takoje skazat', dobroje.
> Mozhet Petju poprosit', a?
> Yury
A Vy skazhite,Yurochka,ne stesnjajtes', mozhet byt' i otreagiruet kto-nibud'
na Vashi pozhelanija.
Igor Chudov
: In article <3gp78d$7...@news1.delphi.com>, odinokiy zashchitnik Rossii i
: russkogo yazyka ot idolopoklonnikov-evreev i primknuvshikh k nim
: gomoseksualistov na velfere, <GI...@delphi.com> wrote:
: >Synok, gomoseksualizm eto ne prosto moral'noe izvraschenie, eto esche i
: (i t.d., sploshnuyu beliberdu)
: Vy znaete, Alex (kstati, kakoe zamechatel'noe russkoe imya: Alex), odin
: chelovek mne kak-to skazal: durak, kotoryy ne ponimaet, chto on durak --
: eto idiot.
: Tak vot, Alex, Vy -- IDIOT.
: A zhal'.
Nu pochemu zhal'? Eto prosto nauchnyj fact. Esli by on vnezapno
poglupel, togda bylo by zhal'. No mne kazetsa, chto on vsegda takoj byl.
- Igor.
Leon Keylin
books of Moissey, or what is called Old Testament. What you call "silly
remarks" are not my fantsies, but a real part of Bible and,consequently,
of Torah as it is part of Bible. I don't know wether Moissey was a
member of KKK, but since the authorship of the first five books belongs
to him, all the complaints should be addressed to him. Although a bit
You never read the Torah, and please do me and other Jews an honor of
obscuring your views with the real books. You are on a lower plain of
this world and according to your line below will never reach it.
Of course, you would not want to be near a Jew anyway so why bother
right?
**Now they can;t stop themselves about thinking about gold
and money. Very interesting Alex, you never cease to amaze me.
is it a big surprise to you? Every second of their sentences begins and
ends
with the word "money" and terms like sale, save, coupons are simply in
your
blood!**
If this is not an anti semitic remark I don't know what is. Of course
you are smart enough to know that it is. Soviet regime had a big success
with you. I am sorry.
> > Where are these stats from?
**>Mostly from American mass press, including your own messages on
CompuServe.**
I never said anything about stats or Brighton Beach here or CI$. As far
as American press? Well, now my golupchik was it not you who always said
how can America understand Russian people? Come on, you are an anti
semite don;t be a hypocrite too.
**>I'm not an anti-semite and you know it better than anyone else here
from our discussions on CompuServe.
BS. Your remarks on CI$ are a bit restrained, I'll admit that. But that
lovely message about Jews drinking Little Christian Babies blood was
great. I had a great laugh. Oh, and some other Jews did too.
** What Brighton Beach was before I know from Americans who witnessed
its "development".
Again, this comes from a man who would not trust an American if his life
depended on it. All of a sudden he has "witnesses". Puh-lease!
I don't think you have this infromation either living in one of the
nice neighborhood of Staten Island.
I have RUSSIAN friends living there. AND unlike many Russians, Many more
Russian Jews settled outside Brighton Beach.
Now we have people (RUSSIANS and Russian Jews among them but not many,
since most left when I did 17 years ago) like yourself coming here and
thinking that we (Russian Jews and America) owe you something. Well,
pal, we left because your great Soviet union did not recognized us. You
called us "traitor to the motherland", "Zhydovskya mordi vsegda
vizjet"and I can go on. The point I am making is the people that are
coming over now are nothing comparing to the people that were here a
while back.
People with guts that took their and their families lives and risked
everything. MONEY GOLD AND COUPONS, just so they would not hear
something like things that come out of your mouth.
Where is your guts? You came here when everything "naladilasj". When
everything is nice and safe and peachy. You and your kind are pissed
because you wasted all these years in your damn country while
Russian-Jews fled (your great country) and made a life elsewhere.
Now they have everything and all you have is your anger.
An Anti semite you are, I had doubts (actually, I did not want to
believe) but you are. Feels great though does it not?
Leon Keylin
>
>In artikle: <02Feb95.02...@granite.ciw.edu g-n Igor Mazin:
> > Smotrite-ka, process poshel! G-n GIFT (dalee imenuemyj w perewode
na
> >russkij - otrava) rezko smenil stil'.
>Net uvazhaemyj, stil' kak byl tak i ostalsja. A vot slovo GIFT
perevoditsja
>s anglijskogo, kak PODAROK.
PODAROK???
LOL!!! More like Poison in German. :)
Igor Chudov
: In article <3gotme$m...@iii1.iii.net>, ich...@iii1.iii.net says...
: >Vladimir Makarkin, objasni pozhalujsta, kakaja raznitsa, evrej ubil ili
: net?
: Igor Chudov,ti moi post chital? S chego bazar nachalsya pomnish?
: Ya skazal chto Pamyat' svoe rassledovanie provela i okazalas' prava.
: A raznica v tom, chto etot ebun tuhlii v Izraile, a ne v tyurme.
Nu pomnyu ja tvoj post. Ty skazal, chto Pamyat' horosha, tak kak ustanovila,
chto Tal'kova ubil evrey. Nu tak kakaja raznitsa, evrej ubil ili net?
- Igor.
Olga Waupotitsch
>> I don't like people who say "my religion is better than your religion"
>And I like Voltaire who drew the line between believing in God and
>believing in organized religion. If I can see how believing in God
>_can_ make some sense, I don't see how a person can believe in
>an organized religion, regardless of what religion that is.
Well, this is a whole different discussion then.
>Yes, and why should not we be proud of who we are?! And I don't see
>how that's different from being proud of being Ukrainian and worshiping
>Taras Shevchenko.
Of course we should, but as you say, there is nothing unique in feeling proud:
all nations do it, especially oppressed minority nations.
>I am afraid I will have to disagree. From my experience a lot of
>Russians that come here to work or to do their grad work didn't
>fight for it, but had mam i pap kotorie im eto ustroili.
>I don't mean to generalize, I am sure there are others who came here
>through the hard work, etc, but you cannot say that _the only_ Russians
>who come here are genius angel like people.
Of course such cases might also exist. But in my experience, rusiian-russians
I meet here are a head above of average popolation I remember from Russia.
I don't mean to say that they are great or anything :) But the rest if you
want is even worse :) just kidding of course :)
>> In my experience people who have limited brain capacity tend to classify
>> eveything in the world into categories so it is easier to think.
><smile> but most things in the world _can_ be classified into categories.
Sure they can, but why? Many things do not fit nicely into any given category,
and creating more and more categories eventually leads to each person for
example being its own category. This is not to say that I myself do not
like to generalize :) I do of course, but I am very sarcastic about
categories I myself create, and the bounaries are very flexible,
Olga
Marina Balzak
> >believing in organized religion. If I can see how believing in God
> >_can_ make some sense, I don't see how a person can believe in
> >an organized religion, regardless of what religion that is.
>
> Well, this is a whole different discussion then.
And not a bad one either... ;-> Isn't it fascinating how everyone
is Russia was an atheist and then Big Bum! and everyone is so
proud of their religion... and then you ask them about the differences
between Christianity and Judaism and most can't even give you an
answer that makes sense.
> >Yes, and why should not we be proud of who we are?! And I don't see
> >how that's different from being proud of being Ukrainian and worshiping
> >Taras Shevchenko.
>
> Of course we should, but as you say, there is nothing unique in feeling proud:
> all nations do it, especially oppressed minority nations.
Hmmm... how about 'I am proud of being American!! I am proud of
living in America!!' ever heard Americans saying that?! I did and still
do... I'd not call them an 'opressed minority nation'... ;))
> Of course such cases might also exist. But in my experience, rusiian-russians
> I meet here are a head above of average popolation I remember from Russia.
> I don't mean to say that they are great or anything :) But the rest if you
> want is even worse :) just kidding of course :)
I don't know. I know very few Russians who came here for interships, work,
etc. But one of them honestly told me that he is here because his
father was a big KGB guy... BoT-Tak-To... ;/
> ><smile> but most things in the world _can_ be classified into categories.
>
> Sure they can, but why? Many things do not fit nicely into any given category,
> and creating more and more categories eventually leads to each person for
> example being its own category. This is not to say that I myself do not
> like to generalize :) I do of course, but I am very sarcastic about
> categories I myself create, and the bounaries are very flexible,
It might sound a bit ignorant, but most of people I meet in life, can
be classified into two categories: one, those who are basically the same,
those who follow each other, don't have their own values, beliefs, etc. --
followers, secondhanders. The other category is firsthanders: people
of independent judgement. Of course, that was not created by me...
This theory was started by Aristotel and nicely and clearly continued
by Ayn Rand (who was Russian, by the way!! ;-))
> Olga
MAPUHA
Alexander Burshteyn
Boris A. Veytsman <BA...@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>In article <3gpa18$q...@netnews.upenn.edu>, abur...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu
>(Alexander Burshteyn) says to some insectoid:
>>Tak vot, Alex, Vy -- IDIOT.
>>A zhal'.
>Kogo?
Voobshche. Vot eshche odin predpolagaemyy chelovek na samom dele okazalsya
idiotom. I eto grustnyy fakt, potomu chto a priori on mog okazat'sya i
normal'nym chelovekom.
>Good luck
>-Boris
--
AB
******************
145 = 1! + 4! + 5!
Olga Waupotitsch
>And not a bad one either... ;-> Isn't it fascinating how everyone
>is Russia was an atheist and then Big Bum! and everyone is so
>proud of their religion... and then you ask them about the differences
>between Christianity and Judaism and most can't even give you an
>answer that makes sense.
I agree that it is very interesting, but unfortunately I exausted myself
arguing about this with Turetsky few months ago when we had discussion
about diff religions :) Actually I saved most posts, I can email them to
you, I am sure you will find them delightful :)
>Hmmm... how about 'I am proud of being American!! I am proud of
>living in America!!' ever heard Americans saying that?! I did and still
>do... I'd not call them an 'opressed minority nation'... ;))
Net, u nih prosto komplex nepolnotsennosti :) No, seriously, I know that
many nations have national pride, but it seems to me this sence of pride grows
whenever national security is threatened. I just wanted to point out that
what separated us from Russians in Russia was not Jewish culture at all,
but a generic "oppressed minority" culture similar to other oppressed minority
cultures.
>I don't know. I know very few Russians who came here for interships, work,
>etc. But one of them honestly told me that he is here because his
>father was a big KGB guy... BoT-Tak-To... ;/
Nu i kak on etot znakomyi voobsche? Intellegentnyi paren', obrazovannyi,
ili bydlo kakoe? Kem byl ego papa eto tozhe vazhno, no my ne ob etom govorim
ved'
>It might sound a bit ignorant, but most of people I meet in life, can
>be classified into two categories: one, those who are basically the same,
>those who follow each other, don't have their own values, beliefs, etc. --
>followers, secondhanders. The other category is firsthanders: people
>of independent judgement. Of course, that was not created by me...
>This theory was started by Aristotel and nicely and clearly continued
>by Ayn Rand (who was Russian, by the way!! ;-))
But there is much more to a person than the ability to form independant
opinions. For instance in your second group there can be just leaders,
evil leaders, and then those can still divide into good-looking and
bad - looking leaders for example, ...
Then the number of sets will go to infinity as number of traits of character
goes to infinity. And for some people your first division might not be the
division they would make first, i.e. other trait would be more important to them.
One can go crazy just trying to organize such a system :)
But I have to admit that I myself also sometimes divide people into
these 2 camps.
Olya
>> Olga
>MAPUHA
Sergey Petrov
>In article <3gqtkb$7...@stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV>,
>Sergey Petrov <p...@druid.epm.ornl.gov> wrote:
>>Vysech' na konjushne etogo muzhika, chtob ne prikidyvalsja dvorjaninom!
>
Etim-to russkoe dvorjanstvo i otlichalos' ot evropejskoj aristikratii.
>Vot, Iatkovskij, k primeru - gomofob. I dvoryanin. Interesno, chital li on
>"Epifanskie Shlyuzy"?
Interesno. No vazhno li? Esli i chital, to ne v konja korm
>
>>S.Petrov
>
>--
>Kostin
>
>
Dima Volodin
> Igor Mazin (ma...@quartz.ciw.edu) wrote:
> : > Ch'ya zhe zdes' zasluga, esli chelovek - ne durak? I kakoe eto
> : > imeet otnoshenie k ego nacional'nosti ? A ?
> : >
> : > Zhikharev.
> Did any of you read "Bell Curve" (-:
Did you?
> Simcha Streltsov, _Former_ Adar Rabbi of S.C.Soviet
Dima
--
"Wine is an unsophisticated drink. They just
stomp on grapes in their bare feet."
MJ
Dima Volodin
> > >==================================================================
> > --
> > Kostin, russkij kstati
> Malysh, [...]
Oi bliad'...
> _ | \ | Alex Iatskovski
Dima Volodin
> [to BozhiiDar@delphi]
> >chelovek mne kak-to skazal: durak, kotoryy ne ponimaet, chto on durak --
> >eto idiot.
> Hmm, znachit idiot ne ponimaet, chto on - durak.
> >Tak vot, Alex, Vy -- IDIOT.
> A chto on idiot - poimet? ;-)
> >A zhal'.
> Da pohuyu.
Ebena mama. Ya - i s Katzem soglasilsia... Burshteyn - ne
perezhivai. Idiotam vsegda ne ploho zhilos'. Golubyh oni
krovei, prorokovyh, ili schi 700 let laptem hlebali. Blazhenny,
na hui, nischie duhom. Hotel by ya znat', chto muzhik imel v
vidu, kogda etu fen'ku otmorozil.
> >AB
> Sasha
Dima Volodin
> Gomophobia - odna iz otlichitel'nyh chert nedodelannyh
> imbetsilov, vrode tebya, mudilo.
Roma, ne suzhai krug. xxxphobia - eto phobia. Regardless. Mne,
naprimer, pedophilov zhalko. I nekrophilov. A na zoophilov
escho i zaschitnichki zhivotnyh naezhatyut. A ty govorish' -
gomophobia. Net, ono, konechno, consentu tam netu, nu dyk.
> Kostin
Sergey Petrov
> Ja byl odnim is
>sozdatelej Moskovskogo Narodnogo Fronta, rukovodil sluzhboj bezopasnosti
>etoj organizatsii.
>
I mundir u menja goluboj byl..
Peter Vorobieff
>
>Roman Kostin (rom...@clark.net) wrote:
>
>> Gomophobia - odna iz otlichitel'nyh chert nedodelannyh
>> imbetsilov, vrode tebya, mudilo.
>
>Roma, ne suzhai krug. xxxphobia - eto phobia. Regardless. Mne,
>naprimer, pedophilov zhalko. I nekrophilov.
Nekrofilam tebya tozhe budet zhalko. Kogda vremya pridet, oni
tebya pozhaleyut.
--
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of One Robot and Seven Pigs.
DISCLAIMER: Opinions expressed in the article above, if any, are channeled from
the Fungi of Yuggoth and do not necessarily represent the views of
my other employers.
Dima Volodin
> kem ja est', a ne takim kak ty. A s genetikoj u menja wse w porjadke -
> moj rod podrewnej twoego priblizitel'no na 3.5e3 let, t.k. prorok Aaron
> is washej i nashej biblii moi prjamoj predok.
Zzzzaebis'. Ya, mol, prorokov potomok, a ty, mol, govno.
Untermensch, ebit'. A u drevnego roda, kstati, s genetikoi vsio v
poriadke vriad li mozhet byt' - inbriding-s, znaete.
> A ty menja russkoj kul'ture ne uchi. Ili podi otwet' mne nawskidku,
> ezheli ty po Kropotkinskoj proidesh' (kstati, kak ona nazywalas' let
> 350 nazad, kogda twoi rodswennichki w Moskwu priehali?), chii tam
> doma stojat? Nu naprimer naprawo Orlova (kotorogo? i chem on w russkoj
> istorii slaven?), a nalewo?
> A za nim chej? I kakaja wo dwore u nego stojala cerkow' i kogda
> ee kommunisty slomali?
Kultur-multur. 350 let nazad ne bylo v Moskve metro.
Olga Waupotitsch
>Igor Mazin (ma...@quartz.ciw.edu) wrote:
>> kem ja est', a ne takim kak ty. A s genetikoj u menja wse w porjadke -
>> moj rod podrewnej twoego priblizitel'no na 3.5e3 let, t.k. prorok Aaron
>> is washej i nashej biblii moi prjamoj predok.
>Zzzzaebis'. Ya, mol, prorokov potomok, a ty, mol, govno.
>Untermensch, ebit'. A u drevnego roda, kstati, s genetikoi vsio v
>poriadke vriad li mozhet byt' - inbriding-s, znaete.
Nu eto ty prav. Mazin uzhe poddalsya na provokatsiu antesimitov
i vstupaet v idiotskie diskussii na temu ch'ya genetika (kul'tura,
religiya, brain size,...) is better. Tut esche kto-to, ya zabyla, kto
zayavil chto mol vse vokrug da okolo, a Mazin - priamo zayavlyaet,
chto my, evrei, mol vas ne tol'ko ne huzhe no dazhe i luchshe.
Tak ya hotela ob'yasnit, chto my vse ne vokrug da okolo, my takih
myslei i ne dumaem. Da i Mazin ya dumau pogoryachilsya prosto.
Priamo kak v detskom sadu: "Moi papa tvoego sil'nei! Net, moi sil'nei!"
Olya
Dima Volodin
> In article <3gu713$1...@news.sprintlink.net>, d...@sprintlink.net spake thusly:
> >
> >Roman Kostin (rom...@clark.net) wrote:
> >
> >> Gomophobia - odna iz otlichitel'nyh chert nedodelannyh
> >> imbetsilov, vrode tebya, mudilo.
> >
> >Roma, ne suzhai krug. xxxphobia - eto phobia. Regardless. Mne,
> >naprimer, pedophilov zhalko. I nekrophilov.
> Nekrofilam tebya tozhe budet zhalko. Kogda vremya pridet, oni
> tebya pozhaleyut.
Nu da. Kak ty k liudiam - tak i oni k tebe. Eto vam ne toporami
mahat'sa. "U nas segodnia vazhnye gosti. Pozhaluista, vozderzhites' ot
drak na toporah, bulavah i prochih orudiyah ubiistva", kak govarival
President & CEO odnoi kompanii, v kotoroi Microsoft nedavno poluchil
minority stake. I on ne shutil.
> Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of One Robot and Seven Pigs.
Dima
MAPUHKA
> about diff religions :) Actually I saved most posts, I can email them to
> you, I am sure you will find them delightful :)
Great! You can email them to Marina Balzak <m...@acpub.duke.edu>
Thank yee!
> Net, u nih prosto komplex nepolnotsennosti :) No, seriously, I know that
> many nations have national pride, but it seems to me this sence of pride grows
> whenever national security is threatened. I just wanted to point out that
> what separated us from Russians in Russia was not Jewish culture at all,
> but a generic "oppressed minority" culture similar to other oppressed minority
> cultures.
Hm, true. I still have fond memories of my mom saying to my brother
'Ti evrey, poetomu ti v shkole doljen uchit'sya na vse '5' chto bi
postupit' v Universitet. Vot esli b tvoya familiya bila Ivanov,
togda drugoe delo.' But how did that opressed minority culture's
developed? Why jews were hated always and everywhere? Obviously, not
because they have three ears or five eyes, but because of the Judaism,
a religion different from Christianity. Think about it, there are SO
many similarities bewteen Christians and Catholics, etc., but not
between Judaism and Christianity. (Unless you tell me wrong... my
theological knowledge is pretty weak, I must admit.)
> Nu i kak on etot znakomyi voobsche? Intellegentnyi paren', obrazovannyi,
> ili bydlo kakoe? Kem byl ego papa eto tozhe vazhno, no my ne ob etom govorim
> ved'
Ochen' obiknovenniy. Takih v Souze tisyachi. No jil bez problem...
a teper' zdes' jivet, toje bez problem. <g>
> But there is much more to a person than the ability to form independant
> opinions.
Yes, but that is one of the most important things, assuming that he
is not forming his opinions just to be different rather because he
believs them to be true.
>For instance in your second group there can be just leaders,
> evil leaders, and then those can still divide into good-looking and
> bad - looking leaders for example, ...
I think that's minor. That matters when you are dating someone, but not
when you just know someone. Do you always look at your friends and decide
whether they are good looking or not? See what I mean.
MAPUHA
Marina Balzak
Duke U.
m...@acpub.duke.edu
Roman Kostin
Dima Volodin <d...@sprintlink.net> wrote:
>Roman Kostin (rom...@clark.net) wrote:
>
>> Gomophobia - odna iz otlichitel'nyh chert nedodelannyh
>> imbetsilov, vrode tebya, mudilo.
>
>Roma, ne suzhai krug. xxxphobia - eto phobia. Regardless. Mne,
>naprimer, pedophilov zhalko. I nekrophilov. A na zoophilov
>escho i zaschitnichki zhivotnyh naezhatyut. A ty govorish' -
>gomophobia. Net, ono, konechno, consentu tam netu, nu dyk.
Yeah, you're damn right.
Pojdem pivka pop'em?
>Dima
>--
> "Wine is an unsophisticated drink. They just
> stomp on grapes in their bare feet."
> MJ
--
Kostin
Zak May
holding out on me (Grushevskaja did not tell me about this thread
until today), and Roma (you naughty boy) - you *are* a homosexual
after all.. Everybody is a homosexual, once you move out of town.
Alex Iatkovski <GI...@delphi.com> wrote to Roman Kostin:
> Synok, gomoseksualizm eto ne prosto moral'noe izvraschenie,
> eto esche i raznovidnost' psikhicheskogo zabolevanija.
Right on, brother - not to mention how *disgusting* the very idea
of man-to-man sex is to Russian soul. I get shivers every time I
think about it. Shivers - hell, HARD-ONS! Eight and a half inch
hard-ons, every time. The last time my ex-lover tried to take my
cock in his mouth, I had to stop him and make him listen to a two-
hour lecture on why God created women and men the way he did, and
how important it was for us not to go against his original wishes
on the matter. Good thing we just happened to have a woman right
there in bed with us - I could illustrate my point to the best of
my underrated vanilla sex abilities. The guy proved to be a good
student - he is straight as an arrow now - and I take full credit
for that. Call us now - and we will switch you back for free (*).
Nah, I'll be OK. When you ask God for "a week of happiness", you
must realize that the week will be over after seven days. So you
write a song about it, and file it under "experiences to cherish".
> ...mir sostoit ne iz odnikh tol'ko osobej neponjtnogo pola...
Neponiatnogo, absoliutno neponiatnogo pola. Ty k nemu podhodish',
prosish' spichek - i absoliutno nichego ne podozrevajesh', potomu
kak on - ogromnyj nakachannyj trucker s ser'goj v uhe (pravom uhe,
no - kto znal?..) Kogda on posle etogo stanovitsa pered toboj na
koleni, nachinajet lizat' tebe promezhnost' (zagliadyvaja v glaza
i poskulivaja) - ty vse ravno dumajesh', chto on prosto igrajet v
sobachku. Kakovo v podobnom setup'e uslyshat': "will you fuck my
ass?" - uzh ne mne tebe rasskazyvat'. Pakost' kakaja. I podumat'
tol'ko - na jazyke Shakespeare'a, Wilde'a, i Lewis'a Carroll'a!..
> Ty mozhesh' obratit'sja k psikhiatoru...
Roma, nemedlenno obratis' k psikhiatoru.
On tebe dast trankvilizatoru.
> ...a esli tak uzh nravit'sja, chto prosto vplot' do porosjach'ego
> vizga...
Wow. Roma.
> Mozhet byt' tebe dejstvitel'no sledovalo by sobrat'sja s dukhom
> da i pochitat' kakuju nibud' khoroshuju knigu?
Knigu, imenno knigu. Roma, tam na polochke dolzhny byli ostat'sa
spetsial'nyje horoshije knigi. "Suckers for truckers" used to be
my personal favourite - but feel free to check out the other ones
as well. I won't be needing them any time soon.
Anyway, this is boring. Anekdot: "Idet Inna Raykhman po Chicago".
___
Zak.
(*) - Copyright AT&T Corporation, (c) 1987.
Michael G. Minkovski
>In article <31Jan95.13...@granite.ciw.edu> ma...@quartz.ciw.edu (Igor Mazin) writes:
>>
>>Twoja reakcija mne nrawit'sja. Na wtoroj, konechno. J narochno ne postawil.
>>A zasluga ih byla w tom, chto oni byli ne duraki. Razwe etogo ne dostatochno?
>IMHO, ne durakov bylo 3 za vsyu istoriyu sovetskoi literatury: Bulgakov,
>Pasternak i Solzhenitsinyn, ostal'nye byli v toi ili inoi stepeni
>nastoyschimi revolutsionerami => byli durakami.
Inogda vstrechaiutsia ochen' informativnye stat'i. Iz etoi ia uznal srazu dve
novosti (dlia menia):
1. Ia ne znal, chto vse troe - evrei.
2. Ia ne znal, Solzhenitsyn ne durak.
Spasibo.
...The Wind that blows between the Worlds, it cut him like a knife...
R.K.
bb0...@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu
On 1 Feb 1995 GI...@delphi.com wrote:
> In rticle: <19950131....@vnet.ibm.com ep...@vnet.ibm.com wrote:
>
> > >I couldn't care less for the name of the
> > >Editor-in-Chief and how many typos he misses in text. But I'm
> > >absolutely not indifferent when representatives of other culture,
> > ^^^^^^^
> > >oftentimes of a contrary opposite one, with hostile to me values and
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >idols, including religion, dare to claim themselves as carriers of
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >Russian culture. It seems quite funny to me. As well as to many of my
> > >friends of Jewish nationality, who treat NRS the same way I do.
> > You must be kidding...IDOLS!!! What are you talking about?!
> > And please, how did you come to the conclusion that Judaism is hostile
> > to you personally?...I wanna know!
> > Gene
>
> No, Gene, I'm not kidding. Saying idol I mean idol. Look again through the
> Bible or,if you'd rather,Torah. Remember what were Jewish people doing while
> Moissey talked to God and carved the Testament on the stones, and why did
> God turn his back to Jews? So do you remember now? If not I'll remind you.
> Jews made themselves golden idol in a shape of calf and began to worship it
> as supreme deity.Well,during millenniums leaders and countries were changing
> only idols stay the same. Although today they have different names - gold,
> dollars, you name it. Similar values are openly hostile for Russian culture
> based on orthodox Christianity for millenniums. I don't mention the fact
> that Jewish religion denies the very existence of Jesus Christ, it's already
> theological discussion and there is point to discuss it. As for your second
> question,to make a long story short I'd only say that American impression of
> Russia and Russians is based on immediate contacts with Russian speaking
> communities like Brighton Beach,where more than 80% of population are Soviet
> YOU KNOW , I'VE LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES FOR 9 YEARS AND IN THAT TIME
I'VE MET A LOT OF SOVIET EMIGRES. WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR STATISTICS???? A
VERY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF NEW IMMIGRANTS IS ON WELFARE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS
BUT THEN THEY GET OFF OF IT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ONCE THEY'VE PICKED UP
ENOUGH ENLISH TO BE ABLE TO MAKE EVEN A MARGINAL LIVING. SINGLE MOTHERS,
TEENAGERS AND THE ELDERLY ALL WORK. (SO DON'T OVERGENERALIZE PLEASE
THAT TRICK OF CONDEMNING A WHOLE COMMUNITY ON THE BASIS OF A MINORITY IS
VERY OLD AND TIRED) TINMEJews.
96% out of them live on public assistance - welfare and so on,who came
> in US decades ago and don't even bother to learn English, YOU KNOW, I
SONDER HOW OLD YOU ARE? MOST EMIGRES ATTEMPT TO DO THEIR BEST LEARNING
ENGLISH, BUT I WONDER HOW GOOD YOU LANGUAGE SKILLS WOULD BE IF YOU HAD TO
LEARN IT COLD TURKEY AT AGE 35, 40, 50 AND SO FORTH. I don't even
> mention to look for job,which certainly requires language skills.Not to
> confine to common people I give one example - Galina Vishnevskaya, wife of
> V. Rostropovich.
> In one of the documentaries about their life in America, after 25 years in
> US to the question,how many years did they live here, she answered without
> even blinking "Twony fifteen". GALINA HAS PAID HER DUES IN LIFE, AND IF
SHE CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH TO YOUR SATISFACTIONS, TOUGH Should I say more? So
back to our sheeps,
> Jewish newspaper, for some reason called "New Russian Word", IT IS
CALLED A RUSSIAN WORD BECAUSE "SURPRISE" SOVIET EMIGRES SPEAK RUSSIAN.
RUSSIAN LANGUAGE IS NOT EXCLUSIVE PROPERTY OF ETHNIC RUSSIANS.is the herald
> of Soviet- Jewish-welfare philosophy. You most likely paid attention to
> the scams here who offer a chance to participate in Green Card Lottery "for
> as little as $150"BY THE WAY, HAD YOU BOTHERED TO LOOK YOU WOULD HAVE
SEEN THAT THE NEWSPAPER DOESN'T ANSWER FOR THE CONTENT OF THE
ADVERTISEMENTS. I BELIEVE THAT IS GENERALLY TRUE OF EVEN THE MOST
AMERICAN "APPLE PIE" NEWSPAPERS.. You couldn't not to notice our reaction to
such offers.
> Then look through this yellow press, you'll see plenty of such offers to
> complete applications for political asylum "for as little as $1000" and more
> in every issue. In some cases they even give 100% guarantee that you will
> receive a green card. For those, who are not familiar with this kind of
> problems, I'd like you to know that these companies are mostly one-day
> enterprise.They usually work couple of months, then reopen office in another
> place under different name with new staff.
> Communicating with Americans personally and on-line, on Delphi, CompuServe,
> AOL,BIX, I see more and more of expressions toward Russians: "Russians? We
> know, it's entirely welfare. Ignorant rude crowd that turns their community
> into criminal neighborhood, where decent people would not pass by."
YOU KNOW I PASS BY THERE ALL THE TIME AND SO DO ALL OF MY FRIENDS RUSSIAN
OR JEWISH. BRIGHTON BEACH WAS A RAT HOLE BEFORE RUSSIAN JEWS SETTLED
THERE. NOW IT IS A THRIVING COMMUNITY WITH PROBLEMS LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK OF IGNORANCE AND RUDENESS, JUST STOP ON ANY
STREET IN MANHATTANT AND STOP AN "AVERAGE" AMERICAN. BON CHANCE. >
They don't notice that they speak not of Russians. MY GOD, YOU ARE
CHAUVINISTIC. I CONSIDER MYSELF A RUSSIAN JEW. I RESPECT RUSSIAN AND
JEWISH CULTURE EQUALLY AND AM NOT ABOUT TO BE DENIED EITHER. I AM
PROUD OF BOTH. IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO MAKE IMMIGRANTS CHOOSE
THEIR IDENTITIES. I HOPE MY ENGLISH IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU. DO SVIDANIA,
GOOD BYE, SHALOM AU REVOIR. ( I SPEAK 4 LANGUAGES)
Similar attitude can't
> not to influence the position toward Russia as whole and consequently toward
> me as a person, that represents his Motherland wherever he is. This is the
> answer to your second question. Hope it helped.
GI...@delphi.com
> : I Boga radi, ne upotrebljaj maternykh vyrazhenij, eto tak ne
>seksual'no!
> Eto ne dolzhno byt' seksual'no, eto sposob vyrazhenija toski po rodine.
> - Igor.
Da net, Igor! Eto prosto zherebjatitsja molodezh'. A esli net, to interesno,
zha chto on tak nenavidit svoju Rodinu?
GI...@delphi.com
> Kstati, ne namekaesh li ty, chto my dolzhny tebe v chem-to zavidovat'?
> Xu-Xu.
> - Igor.
Konechno net, Igor'. Moej sud'be mozhet pozhavidovat' tol'ko umalishennuj.
Moej sobstvennoj zaslugi v proiskhozhdenii moikh predkov, kak Vy ponimaete,
net i byt' ne mozhet. S drugoj storony ja ne vizhu za soboj nikakoj viny v
tom, chto volej sluchaja ja rodilsja v toj sem'e, v kotoroj ja rodilsja. K
slovu skazat' moj rod khot' i byl dvorjanskim, no obnischal okolo 200 let
nazad, poskol'ku v sem'e bylo slishkom mnogo detej muzhskogo pola. V
posledujuschem pochti vse oni byli krest'janami. Moj otets rodilsja v
derevne v Brjanskoj oblasti i priekhal v Moskvu v kontse 40 godov. Moja mama
tozhe derevenskaja iz Tul'skoj oblasti. Ja sam rodilsja uzhe v Moskve. Ne
vizhu povoda dlja smekha.
GI...@delphi.com
> Really, try at least to read and understand what you are replying to.
> - Igor.
It's exactly what I'm trying to do communicating with you. Maybe you too
could try to understand a person before drawing any conclusions.
GI...@delphi.com
> >In artikle: <02Feb95.02...@granite.ciw.edu g-n Igor Mazin:
> > > Smotrite-ka, process poshel! G-n GIFT (dalee imenuemyj w perewode
> na
> > >russkij - otrava) rezko smenil stil'.
> >Net uvazhaemyj, stil' kak byl tak i ostalsja. A vot slovo GIFT
> perevoditsja
> >s anglijskogo, kak PODAROK.
> PODAROK???
> LOL!!! More like Poison in German. :)
Yulia Fridman
>In article: <3grq6v$n...@iii1.iii.net Igor Chudov wrote:
> > Really, try at least to read and understand what you are replying to.
> > - Igor.
>It's exactly what I'm trying to do communicating with you. Maybe you too
>could try to understand a person before drawing any conclusions.
If I were Russian with no particular liking for Jews,
their way of contributing into Russian culture or whatever,
I would be extremely careful when expressing my opinions
on the subject here in America. I don't care whether you
consider yourself an antisemite or not. You could easily
qualify for one by what you have written here on s.c.s.
already. We had Jews here loosing their accounts because
they allegedly came up with "antisemitic remarks". Just be
careful, or else, when you start having problems, you will
blame it on the Jews, as usual. You will be wrong, and that
won't help you anyway.
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Yulya.
Alex Iatskovski
You are a sick person! Talk with yourself!
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Dragon Fly
Aleksey Y. Romanov <rom...@kalvi.nacto.lkg.dec.com> wrote:
>In article <31Jan95.13...@granite.ciw.edu> ma...@quartz.ciw.edu (Igor Mazin) writes:
>>
>>Twoja reakcija mne nrawit'sja. Na wtoroj, konechno. J narochno ne postawil.
>>A zasluga ih byla w tom, chto oni byli ne duraki. Razwe etogo ne dostatochno?
>
>IMHO, ne durakov bylo 3 za vsyu istoriyu sovetskoi literatury: Bulgakov,
>Pasternak i Solzhenitsinyn, ostal'nye byli v toi ili inoi stepeni
>nastoyschimi revolutsionerami => byli durakami.
Isn't it hillarious that Stalin's court "writer" and asslicker Pasternak
[otherwise sheer mediocrity] is considered on the West as
fighter for freedom and "dissident" ?
Look, they even gave him Nobel Prize :-) in addition to Stalin's Prize
he got earlier..
Well, the ranks of Nobel Prize winners are really self-speaking:
Pasternak,Kissinger,Arafat,Rabin,Mandela,Sadat,Gorby..
who is next? Saddam? Sasha Kaplan? Dudaev? Kovaliov ?
Cordially,
Dragon
Igor Chudov
: Sergey Petrov (p...@druid.epm.ornl.gov) wrote:
: : Vysech' na konjushne etogo muzhika, chtob ne prikidyvalsja dvorjaninom!
: Well, you are an optimist,
: but would you say, if he happens to be a _real_ dvoryanin...
: that would be sad, wouldn't it?!
Nobody cares here if he is a dvoryanin. But of course, if he has nothing
else to be proud about except his descent and nationality, let his mind be
in peace.
- Igor.
Aleksey Y Romanov
Michael G. Minkovski <m...@interaccess.com> wrote:
>
>Inogda vstrechaiutsia ochen' informativnye stat'i. Iz etoi ia uznal srazu dve
>novosti (dlia menia):
>
>1. Ia ne znal, chto vse troe - evrei.
S logikoi u vas plokhovato, nu nichego, chitaite vse chto ya postayu i
eto proidet dovol'no skoro.
>2. Ia ne znal, Solzhenitsyn ne durak.
Ya schastliv, chto sluchaino otkryl vam glaza.
>Spasibo.
Pozhaluysta.
Aleksey
Igor Chudov
: In article: <3gpa18$q...@netnews.upenn.edu Alexander Burshteyn wrote:
: > <GI...@delphi.com> wrote:
: > >Synok, gomoseksualizm eto ne prosto moral'noe izvraschenie, eto
: >esche i
: > (i t.d., sploshnuyu beliberdu)
: Izvinite, chto zatronul Vashu bol'nuju strunu! Ja prosto vyskazal svoju
: tochku zrenija na Vash obraz zhizny.
Eto byla i vpravdu beliberda, tak kak tol'ko idiot mozhet ponyat'
prostoe russkoe "idi na huj" kak nechto otnosyascheesya k gomoseksyalizmu.
: > Vy znaete, Alex (kstati, kakoe zamechatel'noe russkoe imya: Alex), odin
: > chelovek mne kak-to skazal: durak, kotoryy ne ponimaet, chto on durak
: >-- eto idiot.
: Destvitel'no? Tol'ko odin? Vy chto iz doma ne vykhodite?
Dejstvitel'no. :)
Nu tochno idiot. :):) Ty chto, dumaesh, chto to, chto ty pishesh, smeshno
ili obidno? V osnovnom eto mutno. Vot naprimer, chto ty imel v vidy, skazav,
"Vy chto iz doma ne vykhodite?"
- Igor.
Igor Chudov
: In artikle: <02Feb95.02...@granite.ciw.edu g-n Igor Mazin:
: > Smotrite-ka, process poshel! G-n GIFT (dalee imenuemyj w perewode na
: >russkij - otrava) rezko smenil stil'.
: Net uvazhaemyj, stil' kak byl tak i ostalsja. A vot slovo GIFT perevoditsja
: s anglijskogo, kak PODAROK.
:) Vot tak podarochek:) Do chego zhe vonyuchij ty u nas podarok...
: No tut vy nemnogo proschitalis', ja umeju razgovarivat'
: s lud'mi Vashego intellekta.
Po-moemu, ty voobsche ne umeesh razgovarivat', ne govorya uzhe o umenii
razgovarivat' s lyud'mi intellekta Mazina. Sudya po tvoim kommentariyam,
ty dazhe ne sposoben _ponyat'_, na chto ty otvechaesh.
: Dolgie gody svoey zhizni ja provel v strogikh
: lagerjakh na severe Rossii. A tam kakikh tol'ko passazhirov ne bylo!
GIFT, vse eti gody ty poteryal zrya.
: Zdes' ogromnoe kolichestvo v otlichie
: ot Vas absoljutno porjadochnykh ludej, kotorye voobsche nikuda ne uezzhali.
Ogromnoe kolichestvo == 1 (Smirnov?)?
: Pamjati byval, khotja nikogda i ne byl chlenom Pamjati. Ja byl odnim is
: sozdatelej Moskovskogo Narodnogo Fronta, rukovodil sluzhboj bezopasnosti
: etoj organizatsii. Iz za chego i zhil poslednie dva goda svoej zhizni v sssr
: na nelegal'nom polozhenii, nakhodjas' vo vsesojuznom rozyske.
Neudivitel'no, chto MNF razvalilsya. No, konechno, ne iz-za vas, a iz-za
togo, chto v nyom slishkom mnogo schizophrenikov bylo. Lichno nekotoryh
znaval.
- Igor.
Iouri Sorkine
: > Nehorosho ubivat'. A u was gnusnaja priwychka perwym delom bezhat'
: >wyjasnjat' - evrej-ne evrej, evrej-ne evrej. Evrej-ubijcy tozhe est', hotja
: >w silu sluchajnyh isoricheskih prichin sredi evreev ubijcy wstrechajutsja
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:
: rezhe.
: ^^^^^^
: A tak li?
: Protivno eto,no davai na vskidku: Kak ubiic Vitte i Stolipina zvali?
: Blyumkin kto bil? 3/4 Soveta Narodnih Komissarov? Ili kto millioni ubil uzhe
: ne ubivec,a chto-to drugoe? Poehali dal'she: nazvanie Deir-Yasin tebe ni o
: chem ne govorit? A Sabra i Shatila?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A kto tam ubival? A kto vodu iz krana vypil?
Yuri
Iouri Sorkine
: a religion different from Christianity. Think about it, there are SO
: many similarities bewteen Christians and Catholics, etc., but not
: between Judaism and Christianity. (Unless you tell me wrong... my
Aren't Catholics Christians? Are they Muslims? :-)
"My inoslavnyh hristianami ne chitaem" (iz gazety "Zavtra")
Yuri
MAPUHA
> : many similarities bewteen Christians and Catholics, etc., but not
> : between Judaism and Christianity. (Unless you tell me wrong... my
>
> Aren't Catholics Christians? Are they Muslims? :-)
Yes, as far as I understand. But there are differences between
Christians and Catholics.
> "My inoslavnyh hristianami ne chitaem" (iz gazety "Zavtra")
A good one!! ;-)
Actually, in my humble opinion >bow<, there is nothing Christian
about Christians anyway.
> Yuri
Priyatno poznakomit'sya!
MAPUHKA
Marina Balzak
m...@acpub.duke.edu
Duke U.
Vlad Rutenburg
>In rticle: <19950131....@vnet.ibm.com ep...@vnet.ibm.com wrote:
> > >I couldn't care less for the name of the
> > >Editor-in-Chief and how many typos he misses in text. But I'm
> > >absolutely not indifferent when representatives of other culture,
> > ^^^^^^^
> > >oftentimes of a contrary opposite one, with hostile to me values and
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >idols, including religion, dare to claim themselves as carriers of
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >Russian culture. It seems quite funny to me. As well as to many of my
> > >friends of Jewish nationality, who treat NRS the same way I do.
> > You must be kidding...IDOLS!!! What are you talking about?!
> > And please, how did you come to the conclusion that Judaism is hostile
> > to you personally?...I wanna know!
> > Gene
>No, Gene, I'm not kidding. Saying idol I mean idol. Look again through the
>Bible or,if you'd rather,Torah. Remember what were Jewish people doing while
>Moissey talked to God and carved the Testament on the stones, and why did
>God turn his back to Jews? So do you remember now? If not I'll remind you.
>Jews made themselves golden idol in a shape of calf and began to worship it
>as supreme deity.
Fedot, da ne tot. In truth, Jews did not "make" the calf. The calf was an
idol worshipped by all peoples other than Jews (who were at that time the
only people who believed in the G-d of the Bible (Torah).
Well, I have to correct myself. I should not say "all peoples". I am sure
that many peoples at that time did not worship a golden calf. I am sure
they were still living on trees and in caves and were too busy trying to
learn how to make fire and certainly
had no idea how to mine gold. Let me correct myself: I meant to say
"the calf was an idol worshipped by all CIVILIZED peoples other than Jews".
But we digress. In any case, the Bible says that since g-d had chosen
Jews to be the people who were to keep a special covenant with him, He
got upset when Jews started worshipping other, false gods and started
behaving like other peoples. So, g-d got upset with Jews and taught them
a good lesson. He punished them. He did not punish other peoples, like,
say, Babylonians or the Indoeuropeans (the ancestors of Russians)
for worshiping the golden calf and other idols because those people at
that time had no knowledge of the True G-d. Only Jews knew and had to
answer fo rtheir transgression. So, after G-d punished them, the Jews
never worshipped the Golden calf again. Even though all the other people
continued to do so for many millenia after that.
>Well,during millenniums leaders and countries were changing
>only idols stay the same.
That's "millenia" not "milleniums". But then again, given your
aristocratic upbringing, how can we expect you to know anything about
Latin?
In any case, you are right. The ancestors of modern Russians did continue
to worship idols for many millenia after that. And all other peoples
continued as well. Only Jews never did it again. We have not done so for
about 6 millenia or so.
> Although today they have different names - gold,
>dollars, you name it. Similar values are openly hostile for Russian culture
>based on orthodox Christianity for millenniums.
Now, given your aristocratic upbringing and love of Russian culture and
Christianity, we certainly have no right to expect you to know that
the Russian culture was first introduced to Christianity exactly one
thousand years ago, that is, exactly one millenium ago.But your phrase
"milleniums" sounds idiotic and ignorant, to say the least.
Actually, I am surprised that you do not know how long Russia has had
Christianity. Fine, since you have never read a book, I believe that you
could not have read about it. But remeber, just 4 or 5 years ago Russia
was celebrating a very special year? No, I don't mean the so beloved by
you 120 year birthday of Lenin or the 74th anniversary of the Great
October Revolution. Nor the 40 years since Stalin's persecution of Soviet
Jews. It was the thousandth anniversary of the Christianity
in Russia. It was a huge celebration for one whole year! How could you
have missed it? What did you do all year? Sit at the neverending Pamyat'
meetings, worshipping the ancient idols the way the Nazis did, because
they considered Christianity to be a subversion that Jews had perpetrated
on th eWorld in order to dominate it?
In any case, as everybody else but you knows, the Jews had had a covenant
with G-d for many millenia and have not worshipped idols for about 5
millenia or so. Two millenia ago, the Jews (two of them in particular:
Jesus and Paul) had brought the knowledge of their Jewish g-d to the
idol-worshippers in Greece and Rome. Fairly soon, most European people
had converted to the Judeo-Christian beliefs and abandoned idoaltry more
or less. The Russian people were among the very few people who continued
to worship idols for another millenium. Finally, one millenium ago,
Prince Vladimir decided to convert his people from idoaltry to
Judeo-Christian belief. He invited representatives of the Christians,
Jews and Muslems (also Judeo-Christian religeon, also based on the
Jewish Torah) tp describe their religeons. It was a close decision but he
chose Christianity. That was the end of idolatry in Russia. Unless you
consider the worship of the Tsar and Stalin as idolatry....
>I don't mention the fact
>that Jewish religion denies the very existence of Jesus Christ,
You don't? Strange! I thought you have just done exactly so... Maybe my
eyes deceive me? Ne ver' glazam svoim...
In any case, Jews do not deny Jesus. They agree tha the existed. What
they deny is that Jesus is the Son of G-d, the Jewish Messiah (whom Jews
still wait for) and the King of Jews. They beleive that Jesus was an
average Jewish philosopher like so many others.
> it's already
>theological discussion and there is point to discuss it. As for your second
>question,to make a long story short I'd only say that American impression of
>Russia and Russians is based on immediate contacts with Russian speaking
>communities like Brighton Beach,where more than 80% of population are Soviet
>Jews. 96% out of them live on public assistance - welfare and so on,who came
>in US decades ago and don't even bother to learn English, I don't even
>mention to look for job,which certainly requires language skills.
You are an ignorant liar, my friend. The vast majority o fBrighton Beach
residents are very recent (less than 3 years) immigrants. As far as those
immigrants from Russia that came more than10 years ago are concerned,
they constitute one of the highest tax-paying ethnic group in America.
If all of them were on welfare, how could they be paying so much in
taxes? Think about it!
No, I am not talking about th eRusian Jews who emigrated 100 years ago or
so. Yes, they indeed are the most successful, the least
welfare-receiving, the highest tax-paying (along with th eJapanese
Americans), the highest charity-contributing ethnic group in USA, that's
too common knowledge. But, a sI understand, even their cousins who came
from the USSR 15 years ago are now among the highest tax payers.
>Not to
>confine to common people I give one example - Galina Vishnevskaya, wife of
>V. Rostropovich.
>In one of the documentaries about their life in America, after 25 years in
>US to the question,how many years did they live here, she answered without
>even blinking "Twony fifteen".
Not a very good example, to say the least.
First of all, I KNOW that Rostropovich has no Jewish heritage whatsoever
and I am fairly sure that Vishnevskaya is not Jewish either. In fact,
your example proves the very opposite of what you wanted to prove: that
ethnic Russians do not learn English.
Second, it may come as a total shock to you, but, even though
Vishnevskaya may not know English as well as she should, neither she nor
her husband are on welfare. In fact, it may shock you to find out that he
is the greatest cellist of our time, she is a renoun opera singer,
they pay millions of dollars in taxes and do not (surprise!) sit on welfare.
I repeat, unlike you, they are famous and respected people who have done
great things to better the image of Russia and Russians all over the
World. Unlike you, punk, who is trying to prove to the Westerners that
Russians are ignorant antisemitic barbarians like yourself and Viznyuk.
Third, given your own experience in Russia, given the fact that probably
the majority of World's greatest linguists, interpreters and translators
are Jewish, given the fact that foreign languages and translations have
been considered the most Jewish profession for many millenia (guess who
translated Greek philosophy from greek into Arabic for the Great Islamic
Empire and later from Arabic into Latin, thus, starting the Renaissance),
given the fact that Stalin and other Sovoks have accused Jews of being
"unpatriotic Cosmopolites who learn too many foreign languages and ar
etoo fond of foreign cultures, given all that - don't you think that you
look really silly trying to tell us that Jews are less interested or able
to learn English than ethnic Russians?
By the way, what does "V" stand for in "V.Rostropovich"? I, an ignorant
slob, want to know. Vladimir? Vlastimir? Viktor? Vasiliy? Viacheslav?
Volokolamsk?
> Should I say more? So back to our sheeps,
Strange, i have never heard the expression "back to our sheeps" in either
English or Russian. Yes, have heard the expression "nazad k nashim
baranam" ("back to our rams"). You probably wanted to translate that
expression into English but since the word "ram" (English for "baran")
is not one of 100 words tha tyou know in English, you translated it as
"sheep" ("ovtsa" in Russian). Thus, given your ignorance of English, tell
me: you must be Jewish, right? And are you on welfare?
And one more thing: you _should_ learn the English word for "baran",
because "baran" is your nickname, isn't it? You should know the English
equivalent of you own Russian nickname! You owe it to all the zoologists
all over the World.
>Jewish newspaper, for some reason called "New Russian Word",is the herald
>of Soviet- Jewish-welfare philosophy.
This newspaper was started something like 90 years ago by the Russians
for the Russians. As I understand, it claims to be the oldest Russian
language newspaper in the World still in existence (not counting
newspapers that stopped publishing fo r50 years and then started under
the same name). Its readership consisted of Russian aristocrats,
intelligentsia, and all others who escaped the Commies. Yes, its founders
and editor were of Jewish ethnicity, but the readership was ethnic
Russian aristocrats and intelligentsia and White army officers, who,
unlike you, uneducated lumpen proletarian, did not mind the Jewishness of
the editors. Since 1917, the paper has always been extremely anti-Communist
and anti-Soviet. I recall, in 1974 when I cam, its readership continued
to be predominantly ethnic Russian, Orthodox Christian, and most of the
articles in it were devoted to remeniscing about the cossak life on the
Don in 1910. As more and more new immigrants came, the paper's content
changed with the change in the readership. Before, the majority of
Russian-speakers were Christians, now the majority were Jews. The change
was very gradual and easy. The paper's orientation did not change. It was
always pro-Christian, pro-Jewish, pro-Russian, pro-Israeli, anti-Soviet,
pro-dissident (just like most Russian organizations), but the proportions
changed. To give one example, before the 1970-80s, thre were dozens of
funeral home ads, virtually all of them for Christian homes like the
famous Petr Yarema. In 1980s, there still were dozens of
funeral home ads, but now virtually all of them are for jewish homes like
Jack Yablokov. Similarly, the paper kept its tradition of publishing
dozens of articles written by amateur stupid authors. The only difference
is that it used to be that 80% of these amateurs were Russian and 20%
Jewish, and now it's vice versa.
Seit gesund!
Vlad Rutenburg
>In article <3gp78u$7...@news1.delphi.com> GI...@delphi.com writes:
>>predkov v neskol'kikh pokolenijakh. Ja ponimaju, chto k Vam eto ne
>>otnositsja, no u Russkikh prinjato o pokojnikakh govorit' tol'ko khoroshee,
>Tak khochetsja ob Alexe chto-nibud' khoroshee takoje skazat', dobroje.
Ty eto, chto, namekaesh', chto Iatskovskiy (aka "GIFT to the World")
- pokojnik? Oshibaesh'sia, daragoj katso, eto u nego prosto izo rta
zapakh takoj. Smerdiachij.
Vlad Rutenburg
>A vot mne Tal'kov ne pohuyu.Mne Kobzon pohuyu.
Ne znayu, po mne, vsya sovetskaya estrado, ot Shul'zhenko i Kobzona i do
P'ehi i Tal'kova - sploshnaya poliva.
Ia kak-to bol'she lyublyu Vysotskogo, Galicha, Billy Joela i Elton Johna.
Sionist, navernoe...
>A tak li?
>Protivno eto,no davai na vskidku: Kak ubiic Vitte i Stolipina zvali?
A v Lenina kto strelial, a? A kto byli vse eti men'sheviki i esery, ne
ponimayuschie velichie Lenina i Stalina voobsche i Kommunizma v chastnosti?
>Blyumkin kto bil? 3/4 Soveta Narodnih Komissarov?
Nu, pochemu by ty ne otkryl avtoritetnuiu knizhku i ne perechislil vsekh
narkomov a zaodno vseh chlenov Politburo. Vot my i posmotrim, bylo li eto
3/4 ili net.
>Ili kto millioni ubil uzhe
>ne ubivec,a chto-to drugoe? Poehali dal'she: nazvanie Deir-Yasin tebe ni o
>chem ne govorit? A Sabra i Shatila?
Govorit! Tam livanskie hristiane ubili 200 plaestinskih musul'man. Tak
chto, Vy hotite nameknut', chto ubiytsy palestintsev - hristiane, kak i
Vashi predki (sam Vy, kak ya ponimaya, prinadlezhite k
avstralo-aborigennoy religii)?
Ili, po-vasemu, eto esche odno dokazatel'stvo viny evreev pered russkimi?
A teper' davajte sprosim imena ubijts Mandel'shtama, Mihoelsa, etc!
Ili, naprimer, vspomnim, chto Knyaz' Igor' sdelal s Khazarami! :)
Ili, esli uzh vspominat' prestuplenia hristian protiv "nevinnykh"
palestintsev, to pochemu by ne vspomnit':
- Kishinev, Byelostok and other pogroms, where tens of thousands of
innocent Jews were slaughtered by your fellow Russian antisemite mob?
- How about all the Jewish pogroms executed by palestinans in 1930s?
- How about all their murders of innocent Jewish civilians for the last
45 years? How about the most recent wave of terror and bombs and murder?
- How about Tsarist Russia's exterminations of the Polish freedom-fighters?
Should we go on?
>Vozmozhno,problema bila v tom,Igor', chto s seredini 80h Pamyat' nachala
>vosstanavlivat' cerkvi,a te , kto v shtormovkav i s goryashimi glazami
>pochemuto ne speshili eto delat', a chasto norovili i spizdit'
>chto-nibud',chto do nih ne spizdili (k tebe eto ne otnositsya).
Da net, Pamyat' mnogih pugaet ne ee lubov'yu k tserkviam, a ee
zhelaniem unichtozhit' evreev i drugih ne-russkih. Tebe eto "po huiu",
konechno, no mnogie myagkotelye intelligenty vozrazhayut.
>Da,da ,Igor',ti ne
oslishalsya.Pamyat' vosstanavlivaet cerkvi.Esli
>nastaivaesh,mogu dozvonit'sya v Rossiyu i nazvat' tebe konkretnie nazvaniya
>i cifri.I eshe neskol'ko ochen' horoshih del u nih na schetu.
I Gitler - tozhe mnogo horoshih del sdelal. Poezda chinil. Fabriki
vosstanavlival. Borolsya za krepkuyu semyu. V obschem, lapochka byl
muzhik!
>A
chto ne ponravilis' oni tebe,chtozh ,delo vkusa. No ,glyadi, cherez vsyu
>SCS krasnoi nit'yu prohodit misl': ne sudite o evreyah po Brayton-bichskoi
>pizdobratii,tak?
Net, po vsemy SCS krasnoy nityu: dorogie amerikantsy ne sudite o russkih
po Viznyuku, Iatskovskomu i Makarkinu! Da, oni antisemity, da,
pamyatchiki, da, o evreyskih pogromah v Rossii amerikantsi uchat kak o
predvoshiteteliah Gitlera. Da, i Gitler, i amerikanskie nazisty uchilis'
antisemitizmu u russkih antisemitov. Da, "notorious" Protokoly Sionskih
Mudretsov byli napisany russkoy ohrankoj s odobrenia tsaria. No,
dorogie amerikantsy, vashe predstavlenie o russkih kak o yaryh antisemitah
osnovano na men'shinstve (hotya, inogda - PODAVLYUSCHEM men'shnstve), i
podonki, kak Viznyuku, Iatskovskomu i Makarkin - ne pravilo, a iskliuchenie!
A pravilo - liudi kak Petrov i Kostin.
>Tak pochemu ti schtitaesh sebya vprave sudit' o vsei organizacii po ee
>otdel'nim predstavitelyam,s kotorimi ti obshii yazik ne nashel?
Net, ob organiztsii sudyat po ee ustavu, programme i zayavleniyam ee liderov.
>A vot skazhi chestno,ti programnie dokumenti ih chital? Ne gazetnie
>perelozheniya,ne TV kommentarii glupie,a pervoistochniki.Tol'ko
>chestno,Igor'.
Nu, tak ty nam vsyu ih programmu izlozhi slov v slovo, a my perechitaem?
Kstati, ty kakuyu Pamyat' imeesh' vvidu? Ostashvilivskuyu ili
vasilyevskuyu? Ty kogda-nibudi interview s nimi chital? Chto s odnim,
chto s drugim? A ia - chital. I Ostashvilevskuiu programmu - tozhe
chital. I vasil'evskuyu - tozhe, pomnit'sya, chital.
I interview s "lapochkoy" Valentinom (?) Rasputinym chital. To
samoe, gde on obviniaet vseh pogolovno evreev (vkliuchaya
zhenschin i mladetsev v prestupleniyah protiv Velikogo Russkogo
Naroda, predlagaet zakrit' granitsy i poslat' vseh evreev na
katorzhnye raboty rasplachivat'sy aza prestuplenia Trotskogo i
Yagody.
>Ya pochemu sprosil,na skol'ko ti procentov uveren: pomnish istoriyu gde-to
>konca 80h s oskverneniem evreiskogo kladbisha v Parizhe.Merzkaya istoriya (s
>pokoinikami tol'ko pidarasi gnoinie voyuyut), tam eshe Mitteran
>izvinyalsya,vspomnil? A chem ona konchilas' pomnish? Vozmozhno, chto ne
>pomnish, potomu- chto konec etoi istorii bil napechatan ochen' melkimi,nu
>ochen' melkimi, bukvami na poslednih stranicah.Koroche ti uzhe ponyal,da?
>Emu kazalos', chto bor'ba s antisemitizmom vo Francii vedet'sya
>nedostatochno uporno,nado podnyat' volnu vozmushenia.Nu on i podnyal.
>Tak chto bud' ostorozhnee s "uverennostyu na 100%" , ladno?
Tak, chem zhe vse eto konchilos' vse-taki? Ia zaintrigovan!
Vlad Rutenburg
[blaming Jews for inventing and using idolatry]
>LOL! For your information,
Leon, Torah is nothing else, but the first five
>books of Moissey, or what is called Old Testament. What you call "silly
>remarks" are not my fantsies, but a real part of Bible and, consequently, of
>Torah as it is part of Bible. I don't know wether Moissey was a member of
>KKK, but since the authorship of the first five books belongs to him, all
>the complaints should be addressed to him. Although a bit late <g>.
Alex, you are an ignorant idiot. As I have already explained to yo, the
worship of idols has nothing to do with the Jews. Idolworship was
practiced by all human tribes, including your own ancestors. What Jews
are famous for is that they WERE THE FIRST TRIBE TO STOP IDOLWORSHIP.
That was the whole idea behind the Jewish religeon and Moses, and
covenannt and all that. G-d did not get angry with Jews because they had
invented idolworship. He got angry with them because for some brief
moment in their history they went back to idolworship and started
behaving (sorry to be blunt) like your own ancestors were behaving at
that time, i.e., worshipping idols, false gods, including the Golden
Calf. You see, G-d got very angry with jews because, while he thought it
to be perfectly appropriate for your ancestors to worship the Gold Calf
and other barbaric idols, Jewish religeon demanded that Jews behaved
better than your ancestors. So, G-d punished the jews for behaving like
your ancestors (sorry fo rbeing repetitive, I just want to impress in
your mind how stupid you are and how your mention of idolworship proved
your own ancestors' moral inferiority and jewish moral superiority,
instead of proving your own antisemitic point that Jews invented idols,
money, and the Golden calf). After the lesson, Jews never worshipped any
idols again. Of course, the rest of the world continued their worship of
the Gold Calf. Eventually, many millenia later, other people also adopted
the Jewish morality and gave up idolworship. Your ancestors were among
the last Europeans to do so. Get it? My ancestors have been following
G-d's commandments for 6 millenia, while yours - only for 1 millenium.
So, your righteous claim that Jews worship money and Gold Calf while
Russians have been following G-d's laws and Orthodox Christianity for
many millenia, your claim is idiotic and ignorant. The truth is the very
opposite of yuor claim. Do you feel foolish?
>Is it a big surprise to you? Every second of their sentences begins and ends
>with the word "money" and terms like sale, save, coupons are simply in your
>blood!
Should I? Neeee!
>something like: "Net, Mosya, u nas uzhe vsyo OK. Moya doch' konchaet na
>komputer, a syn zanimaietsya yazykom".
Ty opyat' vsyo, druzhok, naputal. Na komputer konchaet syn! A doch',
naoborot, yazykom zanimaetsya. Pover' mne. Ia izuchal anatomiyu.
I voobsche, eto stariy anekdot.
> The same vocabulary is on Russian TV
>and in so-called "Novoye Russkoye Slovo". Where does the world go?
Da, uzhasno-to kak: krugom odni anekdoty, i dochki uzhe nauchilis' na
komputery konchat'! Or should I use the word "nadrochilis'" instead of
"nauchilis'"?
Where does the world go?! Or, as those who know English say: "Where is the
World going to?"
Vlad Rutenburg
[without specifying whom he was replying to or quoting any text]
> You are a sick person! Talk with yourself!
That's exactly what you seem to be doing.
Simon Streltsov
: Tak ya hotela ob'yasnit, chto my vse ne vokrug da okolo, my takih
: myslei i ne dumaem. Da i Mazin ya dumau pogoryachilsya prosto.
: Priamo kak v detskom sadu: "Moi papa tvoego sil'nei! Net, moi sil'nei!"
Tak ved' odin iz nih i vpravdy sil'nei, tak ved' ?
Drugoe delo, esli on govorit "moi papa sil'nei -
otdavai mne svoi den'gi na zavtrak", i t.p.,
a tak t- - pust' teshatsya
Peter Vorobieff
I have officially proclaimed it dead. It walks, it talks, so what?
Living things don't smell this way.
--
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of One Robot and Seven Pigs.
DISCLAIMER: Opinions expressed in the article above, if any, are channeled from
the Fungi of Yuggoth and do not necessarily represent the views of
my other employers.
Peter Vorobieff
[addressing Alex "Otrava" Iatskovsky]
>Yesli tvoja istinnaja tsel' -- provokatsionnyj skandal pered sozdanijem
>newsgrouppy soc.culture.russian, to ne rasschityvaj najti zdes' durakov.
BTW, it is interesting to note that Iatskovky appeared on a prompt
offered by the vulis, and conveniently two weeks before the vote
for s.c.r begins. Is it a coincidence? Am I paranoid? On the other
hand, even if I am, it doesn't mean they are not after me...
[looking suspiciously under my chair]
MAPUHKA
a kto takoy Matynov?
MAPUHKA
CONSTANTIN N ZHIKHAREV
>>Minkovsky, ne khami baryshne. A to ya Martynovu skazhu.
>a kto takoy Matynov?
Martynov - eto mal'chik takoj, vpolne prijatnoj naruzhnosti.
No u nego problemy so skorost'yu obrabotki informatsii, tak
chto Vy ego eshe ne skoro uvidite ( poka prochitaet , poka
otvetit... )
Zhikharev.
Peter Vorobieff
thusly:
>
>>Minkovsky, ne khami baryshne. A to ya Martynovu skazhu.
>
>a kto takoy Matynov?
Mishku Lermontova znaesh'?
Vot on ego i prishil, chtob tot baryshnyam ne khamil.
Marina Balzak
> >>Minkovsky, ne khami baryshne. A to ya Martynovu skazhu.
>
> >a kto takoy Matynov?
>
> Martynov - eto mal'chik takoj, vpolne prijatnoj naruzhnosti.
> No u nego problemy so skorost'yu obrabotki informatsii, tak
> chto Vy ego eshe ne skoro uvidite ( poka prochitaet , poka
> otvetit... )
A Vy vseh nazivaete na 'Vy'?
> Zhikharev.
MAPUHA
Vlad Rutenburg
>In article : <wD4yyc...@bwalk.dm.com> sim...@bwalk.dm.com otrygnul:
[reacting to GIFT's antisemitic idiocy]
> > > The editor of NRS is Andrej Sedyh. His real name is Lazarx
> > > Moiseevich Tsvibak. This is more funny than sad :)
> > What's funny about a Jewish name, you anti-Semitic Russian swine from
> >Pamyat'?
>Chestno govorja ja ne khotel reagirovat' na etot slovestnyi ponos,
Ponos? For your information, Vulis has asked you a very simple question,
consisting of 14 words. You call this "slovestnyi ponos"? Then what do
you call your own post that replied to Vulis' 14 words with your own
thousands of words? "Ponosnoe more"?
>khotja chisto s patologicheskoi tochki zrenija eto mohzet predstavljat'
>opredelennyi interes.
Interes eto mozhet predstavlyat' tol'ko tvoemu psihiatru. Emu za eto
den'gi platyat. Vseh osta'nyh volnuet lish' odno: skol'ko esche v Rossii
takih pononkov, kak ty ostalos'? I naskol'ko vy tam opasny?
>Mne interesno drugoe, znaet li kto-nibud' ob etoi
>misticheskoi organizatsii pod nazvaniem "Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS"?
O, esli by tol'ko znal otvet na etot vopros.... Da, my-to vse znaem . No
tol'ko, dorogusha, boyus', chto tebe samomu pridetsia na sebe uznat'. A
my ponab;yudaem.
> V
>kachestve adresa oni daut tol'ko "Forest Hils, NY". Ja hzivu v NY i mne bylo
>by interesno vzgljanut' v glaza etomu ubludku. Naskol'ko Vu znaete, boardwak
>est' ne cho inoe, kak derevjannaja mostovaja paru kilometrov dlinnoi, vdol'
>poberehzja Briphton Beach. Chto kasaetsja Forest Hils, to eto absolutno
>drugoi raion raspolohzennyi v drugom kontse goroda. Ja ne vihzu mehzdu nimi
>ni kakoi svjazi. V lubom sluchae po predlohzennomu adresu razyskat' etogo
>skota ne predstavljaetsja vozmohznym.
A ty sam iskal ili za tebya tvoi boeviki iskali? A, mozhet, ty,
krasavets, reshil sostavit' spisok vseh evreev New Yorka v
predvkushenii pogroma? Nu, v Pitere vam spisok evreev s adresami bylo
legko sostavit'. Tam ih vsego paru soten tysyach'. Plus, vam vse adresa
vashi sponsory iz KGB na dom prislali, tak chto dazhe i palets ob
palets udarit' ne prishlos'. A v New Yorke - 3 milliona evreev, FBR
vam, podonkam, ne pomozhet a naoborot: fail zavedet. Plus, rebyata iz
JDL (Jewish Defence League) otpizdit' mogut, a rebyata iz ital'yanskoy
mafii im pomogut. Tak chto, ya by zdes', v civilizovannoy strane, ne
ochen'-to by nazismom zanimalsya na tvoem meste. Po krajnej mere, tvoia
ideia otyskat' Vulisai razdelat'sia s nim dovol'no glupa. Vasha bratia
dolzhna prodolzhat' bit' teh, kogo vy vsegda bili: bezzaschitnykh. I
tol'ko tam, gde vas zaschischaet politsia. Mozhet, tebe, lapa, v
Tegeran pereehat'? Ili v Bagdad?
> Na cho ochevidno i raschityvaet eto
>hzivotnoe, hzivuschee po printsipu "sobaka laet za zaborom". Vo vsjakom
>sluchae eti debily iz voinstvuushikx sionistov vedut sebja v NY'ke mnogo
>skromnee.
A oni voobsche skromnie rebiata. Oni tol'ko na pole boya silu svoyu
pokazyvayut. Pomnish' esche kak vas s vashimi arabskimi druz'yami v
1967om otpizdili? Potom ne znali, kuda det' vse vashi tanki.
>A teper' neskol'ko slov po suschestvu. Razumeetsja nichego smeshnogo v
>evreiskom imeni net. Smeshno drugoe. Smeshno, kogda evreiskaja po sostavu
>redaktsii, suschestvu i soderhzaniu gazeta neponjatno pochemu nosit nazvanie
>"Novoe Russkoe Slovo". Davaite nazyvat' vechi svoimi imenami! Gazeta "Novoe
>Russkoe Slovo" javljaetsja dovol'no posredstvennym evreiskim izdaniem
>vukhodjash'im na russkom jazyke. I v etom net nichego smeshnogo za
>isklucheniem nazvanija gazety. Mne, kak russkomu cheloveku smeshno, kogda
>menja pozdravljaut s Novym Godom v seredine sentjabrja. Mne smeshno, kogda
>menja pozdravljaut s iskonno "ruskim" prazdnikom Hanuka i t.d. I mne
>obsolutno ne smeshno, kogda ja putaus' najti v gazete vykhodjaschej na
>russkom jazyke novosti o Rossii, a vzamen etogo poluchau tol'ko obzor
>sobytij v gosudarstve Izrail', prichem nedel'noj davnosti. Mne smeshno,kogda
>avtory etoj gazety utverhzdaut, chto oni javljautsja nositeljami russkoj
>kul'tury, a ja ne v odnoj gazete mira ne vstrechau takogo kollichestva
>orfograficheskihx oshibok. O stilistike ja voobsche ne govoru! Vu pomnite, u
>Ostapa Bendera byla pishushaja mashinka, kotoraja pisala s gruzinskim
>aktsentom? Tak vot Novoe Russkoe Slovo pechataetsja v osnovnom s takim
>mestechkovym aktsentom, chto tol'ko divy daeshsja! Razumeetsja priverhzentsi
>evrejskoj kul'tury imeut pravo izdavat' svoi izdanija na lubom jazyke,
>nuhzno lish byt' bolee schepetil'nym v vybore nazvanija gazety. Nu a to chto
>gazeta Novoe Russkoe Slovo ne imeet nichego obschego s russkoj kul'turoj,
>kak vprochem i s Rossiej javljaetsja ochevidnym faktom.
Kiska, okuda takaya isteirika? Eto zhe ne vopros zhizni. Eto zhe vsego
gazeta da i tol'ko. Ne nravitsia gaseta - ne chitay Vot mne ona ne
nravitsia - ia i ne chitayu.
Look, the bottom line is that you seem to be the only Sovok here who has
no comprehension of civilized values. You have no idea about freedom of
speech and press You still expect that here in America the authorites
will go to a newspaper and order them to change their name because
the Jews have no right to use the word "Russian" without personal
approval of Comprades Iatskovski and Suslov. You are an imbecile.
The name of a newspaper makes you histerical. I repeat: if you don't
like the name of a newspaper: just don't read it. read a different one.
Read Panorama. Or, maybe read the neo-Nazi pulications. And enjoy it!
It's a free country. You have the right to enjoy yourself.
And please please ask your doctor to prerscribe you something stronger.
Michael Kagalenko
Olga Waupotitsch <ol...@zorro.cecer.army.mil> wrote:
]GI...@delphi.com writes:
]
][stuff describingg differences between chistian and jewish religions del]
]
]I don't like people who say "my religion is better than your religion"
Excuse me, but that's the whole point of any religion. One may dislike this,
but it is just so.
]In my experience people who have limited brain capacity tend to classify
]eveything in the world into categories so it is easier to think.
]Olga
One may note that many of scientists I've met considered themselves
"people with limited brain capacity" and also "tend to classify
everything in the world into categories". I have read that Lev
Landau has this tendency, too. Guess science just attracts people with
substandard brains, eh ?
--
"Being a bachelor, he was a kind of amateur in life, and did not
really care "