The strap/cane in school
ron...@extra.net
corporal punishment in schools, banned at my school for some time now. Is there
anyone out there who can give me a first hand experience of what it was like (or
any teachers who were on the other end of it) ?
And no, I don't need a demonstartion !
Thanks
Ronnie J
Wellington
Shore why not. If I recall correctly we used to call them "cuts". Came
in two sets, 6 of the best (the maximum) and Sergeant Stripes (the
minimum), on rare occasions you anything in-between. Now again, if
remembering correctly, they never really hurt. This was using a cane.
Same cane you see in old Brit movies. I suspect it was only due to the
mood of the Principal at the time whether it would hurt or not. 6 of
the best would bring tears to your eyes, but you wouldn't cry, it would
that pain where you are rather laughing with tears in your eyes. It did
draw blood tough, but again, and perhaps why we called it "cuts", the
can was thin enough to come closer to being a whip than say a board
(which may have been found elsewhere). The pain could have been the
same as when you get skopped in the shins slightly. Sore enough to
produce tears but not severe enough to cause crying. Rather laughter.
From my end the Principal and VP were the only two allowed to use the
cane.
The teachers were left to their own devices. Most times when called to
the Principals office, it would be the following day after your
infraction (bastard prefects!). If this was the case you could prepare
yourself for the inevitable. Meaning putting on a series of undies the
next morning. Some even tried putting soft books down their pants, but
no fooling the Principal and his VP! There were quite a few characters
that received at least 3 sets of 6 of the best in a week. Some took it
as a sign strength. 90% I would say, never cried. Usually the week
would cry but more because they never really had been in trouble before
than from the physical caning.
Coming back to teachers and their own devices. I recall distinctly one
new teacher who devised the ultimate for classroom obedience. His use
of the ruler side ways (commonly known as a bacon slice), called for
you to bend over against the chalk board, with head just under the lip
of the chalk holder. He'd then give you one swift bacon slice and upon
reception, you would immediately bang your head on the chalk holder lip
as you jerked upwards from the anticipation and sting! Again, both the
caning and bacon slice were never too severe, not too sore, just enough
to raise welts, enough to draw blood, bring tears to your eyes, and a
big smile on your face.
Those are my fond memories, I am sure others are quite different.
Love,
Wellington
1 set of 6 of the best once
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primary school, they didnt "officially" cane anyone under std.4, but they
still did it. I left that school in std 1. The teacher used a wooden plank
called "the hammer" and I distincly remember getting hit more often because
the other kids complained he wasnt hitting me hard enough because I didnt
cry (they starterd crying even before they got hit, some of them anyway)
What wellington said is true, it didnt hurt it just scared the shit outta
you.
But in a die hard afrikaaner school I was at for one year they still do
caning today, with the permission of the students of course. The students
actually prefer it to the teachers trying to intimidate them with insults. I
tend to agree. A peice of a broken desk is used, and the intensity is based
upon how much you squeem before hand- If you act like a wuss he wont do it.
Wellington wrote in message ...
IanCrk
see it as anything but sadism. The affectionate way teachers spoke of their
hitting weapons and the gleeful looks on their faces as they beat CHILDREN is a
little more than sickening to me now. Thank God our parents took us out of
there.
Mike Amm
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NOT so fast Crk!! You do NOT spell 'school' without an 'aitch.'
Two hundred lines or corporal stripes; what'll it be??
IanCrk
Quite right
Squirrel
have raised several times in the past.
Teachers are for the most part small minded individuals who are
unable to fit into normal society and thus this exercising of
power over, and domination of kids is where they derive
acceptance.
In many cases, the teacher goes beyond the traditional
psychological abuse model characterised by humiliation and
degradataion, and employs violence. The long term impact of this
is clearly an acceptance of violence as a means of resolving
issues, whilst the teacher has a method of venting frustrations.
No I don't condone more positive reinforcement techniques to
instill punishment, but I get insensed when teachers abuse their
roll. I have though been assured by a number of academics that
this physical abuse no longer occurs but believe we should have
a truth commission to deal with these twisted minds.
Squirrel
John Hirst
educational abilities would be less than they are at present. If you would
like to swap jobs you are welcome, ( you do have a job don't you ?? ).
Strange is'nt it that when a dictatorship was put in place in the past the
first people they got rid of were the intellectuals and the teachers. Where
do you come in the rankings, one of the thugs I presume. In your world we
would have to get rid of all forms of authority so as not to upset the
masses. ......I thought that was called anarchy ??
one of the suffering silent profession
bodie
Squirrel wrote in message
<22a144d429f9aabc...@anonymous.poster>...
>I must agree with you wholeheartedly on this issue - one which I
>have raised several times in the past.
>
>Teachers are for the most part small minded individuals who are
>unable to fit into normal society and thus this exercising of
>power over, and domination of kids is where they derive
>acceptance.
Is that why you subscribe to those child-porn news-groups ,you fucking
pervert???
Did you have an "expeience" with a teacher some time back??
SHAME!!!
>In many cases, the teacher goes beyond the traditional
>psychological abuse model characterised by humiliation and
>degradataion, and employs violence.
And you are living proof of thid I suppose?
And of course this is the reson for your PERVERSION huh??
>The long term impact of this is clearly an acceptance of violence as a
means of >resolving issues, whilst the teacher has a method of venting
frustrations.
Is this why you prefer anonymity??? Venting your frustrations ??
Shame#2
>No I don't condone more positive reinforcement techniques to
>instill punishment, but I get insensed when teachers abuse their
>roll. I have though been assured by a number of academics
YOU HAVE??? I wonder why? What strange acts did you perform for them before
they ASSURED you ?? huh???
>that this physical abuse no longer occurs but believe we should have
>a truth commission to deal with these twisted minds.
To deal with your type of twisted mind yes...but a normal VET should suffice
actually...
FUCKOFF and DIE, you stupid and RABID vermin...................
booodie....*just hates rabid squirrels**
bodie
John Hirst wrote in message <01bf6a8d$cd243b60$ee6845c2@default>...
John, squirrel is a sick individual... he is a joke... laugh him off.
bodie....................
Tobias Dierks
Wow, bodie, you haven'T changed in the past six months, have you?
But, as far as I remember our conversation, you believe in arbitrary
violence anyway. Well, not really arbitrary. only when someone has an
opposite opinion or steps onto your property.
Oh buddy bodie, I advise you read the works of Erik H. Erikson, especially
"Youth and Identity". Maybe you'll find in there what happened to you when
you were young that made you so unbelievably smart and civilized.
Take care
tobi
Alfred Colyer
I remember when I went to a particular Primary School we had a vice
principal by the name of Mr K.... (Sadist). I was not good at Afrikaans,
mainly because my English father forbade Afrikaans to be spoken in the home.
At times it was impossible for me to do my mondeling, etc., and the teacher
would send me to Mr K..... Mr K.... would hold me next to his desk and with
a leather strap looped around his hand he would beat the back of my knee
joint with a fast repeating action. This would happen time and time again. I
was about approximately 14 years old. As I wore longish shorts most of the
time my mother one day noticed, while I was standing on a kitchen chair to
get something out of a cupboard for her, that my veins were standing up at
the back of my leg joint and the whole area was bruised. She asked me how
this had happened and I merely told her that a cricket ball had hit me
there. It should be mentioned here that for many years after that I always
intended to hunt this principle down for revenge purposes.
When I went to a Boys School it was not unusual to have up to twenty caneing
a day. If you were caught speaking in class you were told to stand outside.
The principle, vice principle or any of the off duty teachers, during a free
period, would call round during lessons to pick up the trouble makers. You
would then be taken off for a caneing. One teacher there by the name of Mr
.... (sadistic homersexual) would find great joy in pulling you up from your
desk by the sideburns. I can still remember the burning pain. If it was not
for one of my classmates, who agreed that it was time for this to stop, it
would have still gone on. Mr ....... was about to do it to me when we both
stood up and just glared at him. I think he got the message loud and clear.
If the cane is to be used in the school then I do believe that both parents
should be present and the number of strokes should be entered into a
register. The cane should also never be lifted above the shoulder by the pri
nciple, etc.
Gary Bartholomew
even that was genuinely "moderate chasisement". It hurt but left no marks.
(And six was for strangling another kid out of curiousity because I'd read a
description of faces going blue etc. in some old Victorian annual I
shouldn't have been reading at that age.)
Then I went to an overrated boys boarding school in high school. They had a
"black mark" system for infringements which covered just about all the
minutiae of life, and when you'd accumulated three, you were put on the
Monday afternoon "hit parade". Most of us went for three just about every
Monday until we'd become more organized at tidying our lockers, polishing
our shoes etc.
They called it (appropriately) a "beating". You bent over the back of a
chair, the master thrashed your arse with all the force he could muster,
spacing the blows so that you could feel each one individually, and trying
to land them one on top of the other.
When this was over, you had to say, "Thank you, Sir", or get more of the
same, and then you walked out past your mates queued up outside the door.
No-one would've had the guts to cry in front of a crowd like that, not even
the "week".
(This was the law after massive reforms of the school, so who knows what the
earlier generations went through?)
It hurt like hell as far as I recall. First you felt like you needed to jump
out of your own skin, then it went numb for a short while, after which it
throbbed as the welts began to form. The pain didn't last more than an hour
or so, I suppose, but the welts stayed for days. By the time the bruising
had gone down and the blue lines were going yellow it was time for the next
beating.
Institutionalized sadism. Rumour has it that one of the masters used to
perfume his cane.
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John Hirst
Was'nt Baasie Olifier was it ??