South African "undevelopable"?
Brusilov1916
Not long ago, Dutch journalist Adriana Stuijt was a devout anti-apartheid
journalist and crusader. However, she has done an about face in her views after
analyzing the current state of affairs inside troubled South Africa – once
one of the richest nations in the entire world. Stuijt spoke with WorldNetDaily
about how her views of South Africa have changed since the Marxist ANC, or
African National Congress, took power in 1994.
"I am very concerned about the growing lack of democracy inside South Africa
– which is leading to widespread destabilization of the entire Southern
African region. I used to work as a medical journalist in South Africa for many
years and have covered a large variety of epidemics in those years. Nothing I
have seen compares to the current slaughter inside the country today: More than
200,000 people have already been murdered in crime-related violence. The latest
international crime statistics, as compiled by the authoritative Council of
Europe and the UK Home Office, noted that South Africa is at the top of the
world's crime-related murder list. This means that South Africa's small number
of remaining commercial farmers are indeed the world's most endangered
profession!" Stuijt told WorldNetDaily...
More than 1,100 white farmers in South Africa have been murdered in recent
years. Stuijt has been a leader in the fight to draw global attention to the
killings. Rampant disease Sadly, the entire country is sitting on a time bomb
of disease outbreaks, with the spilling of raw sewage into water sources
reported in 95 municipalities in the past 15 months. More than 100 people have
died of cholera in the country in recent months. Also, AIDS and rape are out of
control. There is a rape in South Africa every 28 seconds. By 2005, the World
Health Organization predicts, over 30 percent of the blacks in South Africa
will have AIDS. At a minimum, at least 10 percent of the population is carrying
the virus and three-quarters of the entire health budget will soon be spent on
treatment. As one South African has said, "Doctors are leaving in droves;
beggars live in the marble foyers of derelict banks; farmers are butchered in
their fields; the parks and beaches have become killing fields; carjackings are
a daily occurrence; the murder rate is running at 27,000 a year." In June 2000,
the World Health Organization found that South Africa has one of the worst
health systems in the world. Worse than Afghanistan or Rwanda, South Africa was
No. 175 on the list, and only 16 other African countries were in a worse
situation.
In the meantime, the situation has continued to degrade. Illnesses that were
totally or largely under control a few years ago have been reintroduced. Last
November, there was a crisis in the Johannesburg Hospital. The hospital was
unable to handle the sudden increase in patients. The waiting list for some
operations was longer than a year, and patients died because of the inability
to treat them. There have been reports about too little and unhygienic food,
dirty bed linen and theft of medicines. A year ago, the Human Rights Commission
said South Africa is being devastated by the worst tuberculosis epidemic in
history and that millions of children in the country suffer from malnutrition.
Malaria, which was almost totally under control a decade ago, is now out of
control in parts of Natal, and it has increased drastically all over the
country. Even sleeping sickness is increasing radically.
An article written by Jim Peron in the June 11, 2001, edition of the
Laissez-Faire Times, details some of the seedier and more depressing aspects of
modern South African society. "Two weeks ago I was invited to lunch with the
local head of a German aid foundation. He told me of a study that some German
academics, all experts on Africa, had written. They argued that Africa was
structurally undevelopable. They weren't saying that Africa won't do the right
thing. They were saying that Africa can't do the right thing.
"Film crews captured an incident in a rural village. A monkey had wandered
into the village. This is not unusual, but someone decided the monkey must
really be a witch. The entire village banded together to corner the monkey and
stone it to death. Here in South Africa, Africa's most developed country, some
300 people per year are killed for being witches. In some areas, there are
entire villages of people who fled there because they were charged with
witchcraft. You can walk through any major city and find muti shops where
sangomas (witch doctors) will mix magic potions for you. And it is widely
believed that human organs are very powerful magic indeed.
"It is not uncommon for small children to go missing. When their bodies turn
up, they have been butchered for muti. In the same communities, it is believed
that having sex with a virgin girl will cure a man of AIDS. The result of the
belief is that young girls are often raped by men seeking an illusive cure.
Both the rapist and his victim are condemned to death by a disease that they
simply cannot comprehend. We can go right up to the office of the presidency
here and find the same culture. The ANC has been destroying the infrastructure
of South Africa for eight years. Crime is so bad that the government has
embargoed crime statistics because they say they damage the reputation of the
ruling party. Taxes have skyrocketed, and yet we have no real emergency
services left. And yet the ANC cannot, and will not, see that these are the
natural results of bad policy decisions on their part."
Ferdi Greyling
(Brusilov1916) wrote:
<<>From worldnetdaily.com, September 16, 2001:
>
>Not long ago, Dutch journalist Adriana Stuijt was a devout anti-apartheid
>journalist and crusader. >>
Really?
That is not how I remember Ada Stuijt !!
I remember her rather as being very, very friendly with people like
the late Robert van Tonder - a rather hard line right winger.....
Ada an anti-apartheid crusader??
He, he.....
That's a nice one!
Remind me to one day tell you about another "anti apartheid crusader"
called Craig Williamson. You will probablt lap that up as well.
Moira de Swardt
Brusilov1916 <brusil...@aol.command1916> wrote in message
> Not long ago, Dutch journalist Adriana Stuijt was a devout
anti-apartheid
> journalist and crusader. However, she has done an about face in
her views after
> analyzing the current state of affairs inside troubled South
Africa - once
> one of the richest nations in the entire world.
When was South Africa one of the richest nations in the entire
world?
<Snip drivel>
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Frank
"Moira de Swardt" <moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote in message
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is not able to comprehend this change.
Frank
Frank
"Ferdi Greyling" <add...@not.for.you> wrote in message
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As long as there is enough ANC crusadors like you, SA future is secured - as
any other counry in Africa.
Frank
Did you already opend your Swiss acount, Ferdi?
Reginald Bosanquet
SA is turning into a facist country like Herr Mugabe's Zimbabwe.
Frank
"Reginald Bosanquet" <Reginald...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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....and supported by fascists like Greyling, Sabsy and other look alike.
Frank
Ferdi, did you learn from Gobles all the shit you presenting here and in
your shitty News 24?
Moira de Swardt
Frank <bu...@gte.net> wrote in message
> "Moira de Swardt" <moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote in message
> > When was South Africa one of the richest nations in the entire
> > world?
> > <Snip drivel>
> Not long ago... I remember Rand being stronger than $.Obviously
your brain
> is not able to comprehend this change.
Ah! That explains it. Your senility has set in. "Not long ago"
was in the sixties - nearly four decades ago - the rand was stronger
than the dollar. However, the international gold standard was more
considerably entrenched back then than now. And South Africa wasn't
one of the richest nations in the entire world. It's currency was
merely relatively stronger than now. There were still more poor
people in South Africa than in the developed world, there was still
a better infrastructure in most countries than in South Africa -
back in those days one waited *months* for a telephone - if lines
were available at all.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Frank
What a convenient answer by confused liberal. By the way, there were no
crimes of today's magnitude and people lived in harmony - except few
liberation terrorists.
SA was in any way much better than any other African country for the whole
population. Yes, even blacks lived better than they live today in your
"rainbow nation".
Get life Moira, open your confused eyes and start using your confused brain.
Frank
Ferdi Greyling
<moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
<<Ah! That explains it. Your senility has set in. "Not long ago"
>was in the sixties - nearly four decades ago - the rand was stronger
>than the dollar. However, the international gold standard was more
>considerably entrenched back then than now. And South Africa wasn't
>one of the richest nations in the entire world. It's currency was
>merely relatively stronger than now. There were still more poor
>people in South Africa than in the developed world, there was still
>a better infrastructure in most countries than in South Africa -
>back in those days one waited *months* for a telephone - if lines
>were available at all.>>
He does not know all that much himself.
In 1981 you got 1 dollar 20 US cents for one Rand.
That was for a short period - about 18 months. At the peak it was at
$1- 20 for a Rand. Mostly lower but around there.
That was a result of the gold price rocketing up to about $900 per
ounce.
And THAT was the result of two things:
1. The USSR suddenly deployed missiles on scale that according to it's
specs, coul whack any place in Europe.
2. The USSR suddenly invaded Afghanistan.
These two things made the West shit their designer underpants on a
scale not seen since the Cuban Missile Crisis in the 60's.
Everybody rushed to buy gold to preserve their wealth in the expected
world war or stand off between the two nuclear super powers that
looked more and more likely - and the Russian invasion of Europe that
looked very likely.
SA then produced about 80% or more of the world's gold (if I remember
correctly). Gold was bought in a frenzy and it was bought in US
dollars. That meant US dollars streamed into the SA economy.
Soon after it seemed that the missiles (SS 12's I think) were not as
many and as dangerous as first thought and that the USSR is getting
settled in in Afghanistan (bogged down later) and it does not have
other invasion plans.
The gold price dropped and things returned to normal. Soon after under
PW Botha the Rand had the first of it's big crashes of our time. That
was after the Rubicon speech when (it was said then) the MD of the
Chase Manhatten Bank in the US watched PW on TV, got the fright of his
life and pulled the plug on loans to SA.
In that speech PW was supposed to have announced the release of
Mandela of at least some huge offer to him. Pik Botha (foreign
minister) canvessed all his international contacts. Told them to watch
this speech, this is going to be huge bla bla....
They took notice and the speech was beamed out to them. It was a
speech at the NP congress in Durban.
In the meantime, the military got PW's ear - it was said afterwards -
and influeced him to back out of the progressive deal.
So, with the world watching and being primed that THIS is THE speech
about SA in the modern times, PW launched into a beligerent, war like
speech filled with self pity and threats. He attacked people in the
audience when they heckled and - if I remember correctly - even
"dared" America to "do it's worst" against SA.
So there was the MD of Chace Manhatten, it was told afterwards,
looking at this. Seeing PW for the 1st time. He immediately ordered
that SA loans should not be rolled over. That started things and the
Rand crashed about 50% I seem to remember.
That is the one untold story of NP politics - that week before the
Rubicon speech.
The high gold price and strong Rand of the early 80's was a product of
politics. But Russian/Cold War politics which led to panic in the
West. It had sweet fuckall to do with what went on in SA at that time.
At present gold has a far, far smaller influence on currency. The West
has methodically in the past decade pulled the plug on gold and made
currency (mainly the dollar) the anchor of their economies.
P.S. What SA scored from that high gold price was in the few years
afterwards squandered away in a futile war in Angola.
Ferdi Greyling
<<>Ferdi, did you learn from Gobles >>>
Who or what is "Gobles" ?
Or are you merely too stupid to know that the name of the German RIGHT
WINGER like you (he had similer views on "non white" races as you
have) is spelled Goebels?
Why don't you try to get some kind of education?
Ferdi Greyling
<<>What a convenient answer by confused liberal. By the way, there
were no
>crimes of today's magnitude and people lived in harmony - except few
>liberation terrorists.
>SA was in any way much better than any other African country for the whole
>population. Yes, even blacks lived better than they live today in your
>"rainbow nation".>>>
Strange, that is not what the "blacks" say.
Frank
have noticed from your political contributions, this is the only subject you
know something about. But my "goat friend", history of SA does not start
from 1981. And obviously history of strong economy and strong currency goes
further than your knowledge.
Frank
You did not answer my question: How much do you get paid, to lick ass of
present politicians?
"Ferdi Greyling" <add...@not.for.you> wrote in message
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Frank
"Ferdi Greyling" <add...@not.for.you> wrote in message
You are obviously mixing with the wrong segment of the black population. As
a "ass licker' of the recent political hierarchy, you getting confused
message. For doing nothing and taking good income, they live better than
before.
Start looking around and speak to the rest of "rainbow nation". You will be
surprised by answers you will get.
Frank
>
>
Frank
"Ferdi Greyling" <add...@not.for.you> wrote in message
"umlaut" Because English has not, all different variations are used - just
to be able to pronounce it. But I am glad you know to whom I am comparing
you to.
Frank
Del J.
the umlaut is not used. "All different" variations are NOT used expect,
perhaps, by someone who has little knowledge of German. Ae, oe, and ue are
the only
accepted "variations" for umlaut a, umlaut o, and umlaut u.
"Frank" <bu...@gte.net> wrote in message
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Moira de Swardt
> > >SA was in any way much better than any other African country
for the
> > > whole population. Yes, even blacks lived better than they live
today in your
> > >"rainbow nation".
> > Strange, that is not what the "blacks" say.
> Start looking around and speak to the rest of "rainbow nation".
You will be
> surprised by answers you will get.
Yes, I was most certainly surprised to discover how grateful people
were to be granted the privilege of having a water tap reasonably
near to where they lived so that they did not have to spend a large
proportion of the day getting water and boiling it over fire made
with wood which they collected. This time which the girls
previously spent in providing fuel and water could now be spent in
school.
I was most surprised to discover how grateful people were to have an
operational primary health care clinic a mere bus ride away from
where they lived because their children previously died without
innoculations and of dehydration because they just couldn't get
their children to clinics.
I was most surprised to discover how parents valued the provision of
what I would consider to be third rate schools for their children
because previously they were unable to provide any education at all.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Moira de Swardt
Frank <bu...@gte.net> wrote in message
> Thank you for your comprehensive bullshit lecture on history of
gold - as I
> have noticed from your political contributions, this is the only
subject you
> know something about. But my "goat friend", history of SA does not
start
> from 1981. And obviously history of strong economy and strong
currency goes
> further than your knowledge.
If you had read the whole article you would have seen that it
discussed the question in the sixties as well.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Frank
for everyone? No there will be always thousands without those privileges.
And if any other government takes over and provides those services for
another 10% of extra population, that 10% will be grateful. Your argument is
completely useless. You have to ask the right questions and you will be
surprised with the answers...
For your "complete' solution, you need Mickey Mouse with her friend
magician.
Frank
"Moira de Swardt" <moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote in message
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Ferdi .
wrote:
<<>Goebels is the correct spelling of the German name in those cases
where
>the umlaut is not used. "All different" variations are NOT used expect,
>perhaps, by someone who has little knowledge of German. Ae, oe, and ue are
>the only
>accepted "variations" for umlaut a, umlaut o, and umlaut u.>>
See Frank?
You are a dork.
Ferdi .
<moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
<<If you had read the whole article you would have seen that it
>discussed the question in the sixties as well.>>
Moira, this one will twist anything.
How you see that he is beaten 6 - 0; 6 - 0; 6 - 0 is you look if he
twists what you said.
If he does, he has no other way out. Either he learns humanity or he
twists what was said to him to suit his racism.
Act Now
By the way her real name is Winnie Mandela.
Ferdi .
<moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
<<>If you had read the whole article you would have seen that it
>discussed the question in the sixties as well.>>
What he does'nt know either, is that back in the 60's there were NO
free trading with currency.
There were very strict currency controll. When you invested in SA,
there was no way you could get anything out of the country for years.
And then only in drips and drabs.
The exhance rate then was decided on between countries.
Today it is the result of a free trade.
If there were no (or the little of today) restrictions way back when
Sharpeville hit the news, you would have seen the SA pound/Rand crash
spectacularly.
But back then none of the Brits who had investments here could get
their money out.
Frank
"Ferdi ." <nos...@me.old.bean> wrote in message
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no idea about those times. Very bad times, strong economy, strong
currency....I presume you can take all your money out of SA today. You have
free trade and free exchange.. I have never seen more stupid moron than this
Ferdi - sorry I am wrong, Sabsy is another one.
How much did you get paid for this theory of "free market". Do not forget to
patent this your stupidity - one day you will be famous.
Frank
Ferdi Greyling
<<>Thank you Greyling - you are one highly elevated ass - licker. Yes
we have
>no idea about those times. Very bad times, strong economy, strong
>currency....I presume you can take all your money out of SA today. You have
>free trade and free exchange.. I have never seen more stupid moron than this
>Ferdi - sorry I am wrong, Sabsy is another one.
>How much did you get paid for this theory of "free market". Do not forget to
>patent this your stupidity - one day you will be famous.
>Frank >>
We are waiting on your analysis.
...er... you have one, don't you....?
Moira de Swardt
Ferdi . <nos...@me.old.bean> wrote in message
> If there were no (or the little of today) restrictions way back
when
> Sharpeville hit the news, you would have seen the SA pound/Rand
crash
> spectacularly.
The property market in South Africa crashed spectacularly and took
several years to recover.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Reginald Bosanquet
South Africa will end up like ZImbabwe in 2 years or less.
Bob Mugabe is the Black Hitler.
ANC is a breeding ground for more Hitlers.
Anything else you need?
Ferdi Greyling
wrote:
<<>Frank, Moira is stupid.
>
>By the way her real name is Winnie Mandela. >>
Fuckit!
The wit!!
The intelligence of the humor!!!!
Annette
Wees nou soet en pos net op een groep toe?
Hoe Doen Jy Dit?
Jy deliet bo by newsgroups ( net onder news server) al die ander ng groepe
waarna jy nie behoort te pos nie - soos byv hierdie een - waar ons verkies
om die bydraes hoofsaaklik in Afrikaans te lees.
Verstaan?
Daar waar Afrikaans geskryf is, daar moet jy uitvee daarbo.
Annette
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Frank
"Ferdi Greyling" <add...@not.for.you> wrote in message
surprise me. People like you are usually without proper manners.
Frank
Act Now
Ferdi gets paid to suck ass, Mbeki ass
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Ferdi Greyling
You caught me out "Big Time". The lack of proper manners that is.
Can you please give me some lessons ?
Ferdi
Sabsy
"Moira de Swardt" <moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote in message
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>
> Brusilov1916 <brusil...@aol.command1916> wrote in message
>
> > Not long ago, Dutch journalist Adriana Stuijt was a devout
> anti-apartheid
> > journalist and crusader. However, she has done an about face in
> her views after
> > analyzing the current state of affairs inside troubled South
> Africa - once
>
> world?
She meant for WHITES ONLY
Sabsy
"Ferdi Greyling" <add...@not.for.you> wrote in message
> On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:21:28 GMT, "Frank" <bu...@gte.net> wrote:
>
> <<>What a convenient answer by confused liberal. By the way, there
> were no
> >crimes of today's magnitude and people lived in harmony - except few
> >liberation terrorists.
Really?
I seem to remember differently.
> >SA was in any way much better than any other African country for the
whole
> >population.
Really?
> Yes, even blacks lived better than they live today in your
> >"rainbow nation".
Really?
Perhaps this is why Squatter camps mushroomed and job reservation policies
were put into place.
Racist laws often come when the economy is in trouble.
Why would the NP bother to segregate schools, push "blacks" out of the
cities and expropriate their farms if the economy was in such a great
situation?
> Strange, that is not what the "blacks" say.
Would really like to know the "black" who made this comparison
Sabsy
> Yes, I was most certainly surprised to discover how grateful people
> were to be granted the privilege of having a water tap reasonably
> near to where they lived so that they did not have to spend a large
> proportion of the day getting water and boiling it over fire made
> with wood which they collected. This time which the girls
> previously spent in providing fuel and water could now be spent in
> school.
>
> I was most surprised to discover how grateful people were to have an
> operational primary health care clinic a mere bus ride away from
> where they lived because their children previously died without
> innoculations and of dehydration because they just couldn't get
> their children to clinics.
>
> I was most surprised to discover how parents valued the provision of
> what I would consider to be third rate schools for their children
> because previously they were unable to provide any education at all.
You must be talking to different "blacks" than the one Frank from the USA is
always exposed to, Moira.
Sabsy
"Ferdi Greyling" <add...@not.for.you> wrote in message
> Really?
> That is not how I remember Ada Stuijt !!
> I remember her rather as being very, very friendly with people like
> the late Robert van Tonder - a rather hard line right winger.....
>
> Ada an anti-apartheid crusader??
>
> He, he.....
>
> That's a nice one!
>
> Remind me to one day tell you about another "anti apartheid crusader"
> called Craig Williamson. You will probablt lap that up as well.
I recently heard the terrible story that "Marike De Klerk, the liberal wife
of FW De Klerk was murdered in Cape Town. De Klerk, who single handedly
forced her husband to end apartheid was killed by the ANC government." She
is said to have visited Mandela several times in jail to bring Mandela's
favourite, "braai." Mandela would have made her the first lady, but the
racist Winnie said "over my dead body"
The story goes on
Sabsy
"Reginald Bosanquet" <Reginald...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> > That is not how I remember Ada Stuijt !!
> > I remember her rather as being very, very friendly with people like
> > the late Robert van Tonder - a rather hard line right winger.....
> >
> > Ada an anti-apartheid crusader??
> >
> > He, he.....
> >
> > That's a nice one!
> >
> > Remind me to one day tell you about another "anti apartheid crusader"
> > called Craig Williamson. You will probablt lap that up as well.
>
All based on the above except by Ferdi?
Wow!!!
Sabsy
"Reginald Bosanquet" <Reginald...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> Bob Mugabe is the Black Hitler.
> ANC is a breeding ground for more Hitlers.
> Anything else you need?
Oh well, welcome to my kill-file
Sabsy
"Act Now" <act...@freedom.co.zw> wrote in message
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Reginald Bosanquet
Dutch Afrikaans = good or gut or goed
Bob Mugabe & ANC = bad or kwaad or slecht
Frank
"Sabsy" <sa...@noneedtoknow.mweb.co.za> wrote in message
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>
> "Ferdi Greyling" <add...@not.for.you> wrote in message
> news:3cbbb68d...@news.is.co.za...
> > On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 14:21:28 GMT, "Frank" <bu...@gte.net> wrote:
> >
> > <<>What a convenient answer by confused liberal. By the way, there
> > were no
> > >crimes of today's magnitude and people lived in harmony - except few
> > >liberation terrorists.
>
> Really?
> I seem to remember differently.
>
> > >SA was in any way much better than any other African country for the
> whole
> > >population.
>
> Really?
> > Yes, even blacks lived better than they live today in your
> > >"rainbow nation".
>
> Really?
> Perhaps this is why Squatter camps mushroomed and job reservation policies
> were put into place.
> Racist laws often come when the economy is in trouble.
> Why would the NP bother to segregate schools, push "blacks" out of the
> cities and expropriate their farms if the economy was in such a great
> situation?
>
>
>
> > Strange, that is not what the "blacks" say.
>
> Would really like to know the "black" who made this comparison
Frank
> "Act Now" <act...@freedom.co.zw> wrote in message
> news:a8valg$3m0$1...@ctb-nnrp1.saix.net...
> > Frank,
> >
> > Ferdi gets paid to suck ass, Mbeki ass
Aaa, that is why Sabsy lost his job. Ferdi must be better.
Frank
"Ferdi Greyling" <add...@not.for.you> wrote in message
Frank
>
>
>
Greg Berchenko
> "Reginald Bosanquet" <Reginald...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> > add...@not.for.you (Ferdi Greyling) wrote in message
> > > On 04 Apr 2002 04:04:54 GMT, brusil...@aol.command1916
> > > (Brusilov1916) wrote:
> > >
> > > <<>From worldnetdaily.com, September 16, 2001:
> > > >
> > > >Not long ago, Dutch journalist Adriana Stuijt was a devout
> anti-apartheid
> > > >journalist and crusader. >>
> > >
> > > That is not how I remember Ada Stuijt !!
> > > I remember her rather as being very, very friendly with people like
> > > the late Robert van Tonder - a rather hard line right winger.....
> > >
> > > Ada an anti-apartheid crusader??
> > >
> > > He, he.....
> > >
> > > That's a nice one!
> > >
> > > Remind me to one day tell you about another "anti apartheid crusader"
> > > called Craig Williamson. You will probablt lap that up as well.
> >
> > SA is turning into a facist country like Herr Mugabe's Zimbabwe.
>
> Frank
> Ferdi, did you learn from Gobles all the shit you presenting here and in
> your shitty News 24?
They haven't arrested you yet for posting have they? Some fascists, huh.
Greg Berchenko
Mugabe a black Hitler? Has he come close to killing 6,000,000 people
simply because they were born into specific ethnicity.
Ferdi Greyling
"Frank",
You just did one of the most despicable things on a NG. You
falsly posted under my name.
You lied.
You committed fraud.
You are a dog.
You have no integrity.
I piss on you.
Fuckof to the kill file.
Moira de Swardt
Ferdi Greyling <add...@not.for.you> wrote in message
> "Frank",
> You just did one of the most despicable things on a NG. You
> falsly posted under my name.
> You lied.
> You committed fraud.
> You are a dog.
> You have no integrity.
You expected integrity from a stupid racist?
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Euroedm.com
"Ferdi Greyling" <add...@not.for.you> wrote in message
Ferdi,
If you would just read the "source" of the news item it is obvious it can
not be Frank posting under your name.
Regards
Paul
Frank
comprehend simple postings on internet.
Frank
"Euroedm.com" <pa...@euroedm.com> wrote in message
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Didi
Bosanquet) wrote:
>> > South Africa will end up like ZImbabwe in 2 years or less.
>> > Bob Mugabe is the Black Hitler.
>> > ANC is a breeding ground for more Hitlers.
>> > Anything else you need?
>> >
>> > > ...er... you have one, don't you....?
>
>Dutch Afrikaans = good or gut or goed
>Bob Mugabe & ANC = bad or kwaad or slecht
Kry jou woordgebruik reg. Nie eindig soos Zim nie
maar bes moontlik daal tot daar čn dan weer styg.
Teen 'n beter hoek styg. Wanneer 'n plant skeef
groei, en jy wil hom te ląąt regbuig, dan is dit somtyds
nodig om dit tot teen die grond te snoei en dan
daarvandaan reg te lei.
DD
Ron McGregor
Didi <d...@ve.com> wrote>
>Nie eindig soos Zim nie
> maar bes moontlik daal tot daar čn dan weer styg.
> Teen 'n beter hoek styg. Wanneer 'n plant skeef
> groei, en jy wil hom te ląąt regbuig, dan is dit somtyds
> nodig om dit tot teen die grond te snoei en dan
> daarvandaan reg te lei.
Klink mos 'n slim idee, totdat jy besef dat JY een van die arme kerels is
vat teen een van die takke hang, en nou gaan iemand met 'n kettingsaag die
hele fokken boom laat kantel.
Frank
"Mastic" <n...@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
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This language is called "mastic"
Frank
Frank
Are you sure about that mastic? Just look into the mirror, you will se the
real one!
Frank
Frank
> Do you realise how childish and stupid your post was?
> And then you call me stupid, PKB, wigger, PKB.
You are hallucinating - otherwise proof to me where I used your "ox-ford"
vocabulary. However, only stupid people like you, don't know what they
talking about and whom they responding to. You are proof of one big idiot.
Frank
> Everything I have posted on this group is based on facts so how is
> that stupid?
> Anyway moron, I presume you dont know what that language was.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa.
> There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must
> learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have
> neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or
> to share equally with white men in any function of our civilization. I
> have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our
> civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must
> retain this status: the superior and they the inferior. For whenever a
> white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either
> destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let
> white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa,
> remember that you must continually retain this status; you the master
> and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach.
> Never fraternise with them as equals. Never accept them as your social
> equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you." - Dr. Albert
> Schweitzer, winner of the 1952 Nobel Prize for peace, in his 1961
> book, From My African Notebook.
Frank
> >> >> >> What is that language?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >This language is called "mastic"
> >> >> >Frank
> >> >> >
> >> >> Frank, you are an idiot!
> >> >
> >> >Are you sure about that mastic? Just look into the mirror, you will se
> >the
> >> >real one!
> >> >Frank
> >> >
> >> Oh no, a "me too" post, you are so nasty and hurtful. NOT.
> >> Do you realise how childish and stupid your post was?
> >> And then you call me stupid, PKB, wigger, PKB.
> >
> >You are hallucinating - otherwise proof to me where I used your "ox-ford"
> >vocabulary. However, only stupid people like you, don't know what they
> >talking about and whom they responding to. You are proof of one big
idiot.
> >
> >Frank
>
> You babble above makes no sense at all.
> Ox-ford? WTF is that?
> So now explain how I dont know what I am talking about and show the
> proof that I am an idiot.
You are not an small idiot, you are mastic idiot. Let me explain, people of
your caliber use oxes as a means of transport and from time to time you are
able to drive a ford. What it means, you are educated mastic from ox-ford.
Frank
Moira de Swardt
> > Frank is English your second language or are you just a natural
moron?
> > You babble above makes no sense at all.
> > Ox-ford? WTF is that?
> > So now explain how I dont know what I am talking about and show
the
> > proof that I am an idiot.
> You are not an small idiot, you are mastic idiot. Let me explain,
people of
> your caliber use oxes as a means of transport and from time to
time you are
> able to drive a ford. What it means, you are educated mastic from
ox-ford.
> Frank
A human tongue is obviously not Frank's first language. Try
braying.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Essivi HARTING
"Frank" <bu...@gte.net> schreef in bericht
news:QLpw8.5491$uV....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
zero_inn
Bosanquet) wrote:
>South Africa will end up like ZImbabwe in 2 years or less.
>Bob Mugabe is the Black Hitler.
>ANC is a breeding ground for more Hitlers.
>Anything else you need?
ANC is a pseudonym for the South African Communist Party.
zero_inn
Socialism: the slavery of state dictatorship.
zero_inn
Bosanquet) wrote:
>Dutch Afrikaans = good or gut or goed
>Bob Mugabe & ANC = bad or kwaad or slecht
No, Bob Mugabe=lunatic anarchist; ANC communist anarchists.
zero_inn
wrote:
>Mugabe a black Hitler? Has he come close to killing 6,000,000 people
>simply because they were born into specific ethnicity.
I am genuinely interested in those figures. Can you give me some
documentation? It would be appreciated. He never did like the
Matabele, did he? !
Wouter Plaasvark
>simply because they were born into specific ethnicity.
zero_inn
I am genuinely interested in those figures. Can you give me some
documentation? It would be appreciated. He never did like the
Matabele, did he? !
Wouter
Looks like straight lie, mate. There's only 11 million people in Zim,
about 7 million Shona. 6 million would be somewhere between
a third and a half of the then population.
Annette
Die oorspronklike posser het gepraat van Hitler wat 6 miljoen uit die lewe
gehelp het.
Annette
"Wouter Plaasvark" <plaa...@shotmail.com> wrote in message
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Moira de Swardt
zero_inn <ze...@mystery.com> wrote in message
> ANC is a pseudonym for the South African Communist Party.
The ANC is not a pseudonym for anything.
The SACP and the ANC are two separate parties.
Why don't you save political comment for those who have an inkling
what they are talking about?
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Moira de Swardt
> >Mugabe a black Hitler? Has he come close to killing 6,000,000
people
> >simply because they were born into specific ethnicity.
> I am genuinely interested in those figures. Can you give me some
> documentation? It would be appreciated. He never did like the
> Matabele, did he? !
Not only are you politically ignorant, but you don't recognise a
*question* which is phrased with a touch of irony, do you?
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Annette
correct information instead of just accusing people of ignorance you don't
know?
Annette
"Moira de Swardt" <moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote in message
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Annette
political expert - please tell us who is the leader of the SACP in
parliament and how many SACP members sit in parliament. ( how many seats
they have won as a party in the last election).
Annette
"Moira de Swardt" <moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote in message
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Moira de Swardt
Annette <ann...@ctnet.co.za> wrote in message
> > > ANC is a pseudonym for the South African Communist Party.
> > The ANC is not a pseudonym for anything.
> > The SACP and the ANC are two separate parties.
> > Why don't you save political comment for those who have an
inkling
> > what they are talking about?
<Once again top posting corrected for the purpose of making sense>
> Moira, I see you have a problem with humour
I have a problem with humour? Oh, a poster who makes six posts
blaming everything on the ANC in four news-groups, two of which are
not related to the ANC at all is amusing? You're correct, I
obviously have a problem with humour because I didn't think it be
amusing. It is, however, funny.
> - but since you are such a
> political expert
I haven't ever claimed to be a political expert, and am on record in
soc.culture.south-africa as not being very interested in politics.
However, your question is easy enough to answer by someone who
merely reads political headlines or watches SABC news ...
- please tell us who is the leader of the SACP in
> parliament and how many SACP members sit in parliament. ( how many
seats
> they have won as a party in the last election).
As you probably know by the phrasing of your question, the ANC,
Cosato and the SACP entered into a tripartite agreement before the
1994, which agreement is still in force, although it has been a
little troubled over the years.
Neither Cosato nor the SACP took part in either of the general
elections as such, but some of their members, numbers not specified,
were allocated seats in the ANC government, but as general members
of the government and not as representatives of Cosato or the SACP.
Accordingly there is no parliamentary leader of the SACP and no
members of the SACP sit in parliament and they did not win any seats
as a party in the last election.
The ANC is still not, however, a pseudonym for the SACP, even
assuming that "pseudonym" was the term which the poster you're so
vigorously defending meant to use.
Now are there any basics (remember I'm not claiming to be a
political expert) about the general nature of the political scene in
South Africa which you would like me to explain to you and/or our
funny little poster?
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Moira de Swardt
> > > On 9 Apr 2002 22:20:26 -0700, gberc...@howard.edu (Greg
> > Berchenko)
> > > >Mugabe a black Hitler? Has he come close to killing 6,000,000
> > people
> > > >simply because they were born into specific ethnicity.
> > > I am genuinely interested in those figures. Can you give me
some
> > > documentation? It would be appreciated. He never did like the
> > > Matabele, did he? !
> > Not only are you politically ignorant, but you don't recognise a
> > *question* which is phrased with a touch of irony, do you?
<Top-posting corrected so that the comment makes sense>
> Moira, since you are so on top of everything political , why not
give the
> correct information instead of just accusing people of ignorance
you don't
> know?
Which information? The fact that Greg was referring to Hitler
having killed 6 million people?
Come off it, some information doesn't deserve to be supplied.
Principle of casting pearls before swine.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother.
Paul
When the SACP say's jump, the ANC asks "How High".
Moira de Swardt <moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote in message
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zero_inn
<moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
>The ANC is not a pseudonym for anything.
>
>The SACP and the ANC are two separate parties.
>
>Why don't you save political comment for those who have an inkling
>what they are talking about?
Ok Moira, I wonder how old you are. I am in my sixties. I am a New
Zealander. I took a great interest in South Africa in the 1970s (was
that long before you were born?) and was acquainted with the South
African Consul General in New Zealand at that time.
In case you didn't know, the rest of the world was poking its nose
into South Africa's affairs and wanted the National Party "apartheid
regime", as it was termed, ousted and a black ANC government
installed.
Are you with me so far? You were quite rude when you replied to an
honest question from me, but you must realise that living so far from
South Africa I may not be right up to date on everything that happens
there.
Anyway, to get back to the story. I did not agree with the ANC or its
communist influence in South Africa, and further, I did not like the
way the rest of the world was doing the work for the communist
conspiracy by isolating South African from the rest of the world.
Consequently, I spent nearly 25 years of my life fighting against this
right here in my own country. I was supporting South Africa and had to
take flak you wouldn't believe, and I did it because I could see what
was happening.
You remember the 1981 Springbok tour of New Zealand? Were you even
born? At that time I was figting the communist stooges here who were
fomenting riots in opposition to the Springbok tour. Most sane people
here wanted the tour to go ahead but the cowardly politicians stopped
it because the communists, fellow travellers and "useful idiots"
created so much unrest.
You say the ANC and the SACP are two separate parties. How well do you
know your own country? The ANC was nothing but a front for the SACP
and when it came to power (if you like to check) every person in its
government who was in a key position was a member of the SACP. In
effect, the SACP was installed under the banner of the ANC.
Do you even know your own country's history?
And tell me, has the ANC created the utopia in South Africa that it
promised? Has it?
From what I understand from this distance South Africa was a thousand
times better off under white rule. Would you like me to quote some
statistics about your own country?
If it is so wonderful there under the ANC, why is it that we have so
many South Africans living here in New Zealand? Tell me, why did they
flee your country.
As far as I can see, the two best countries on the African countries
were South Africa and Rhodesia until the idiots allowed a revolution
(communist inspired) in both countries. Now you have a mad man,
Comrade Mugabe, and the communist ANC and their created
"heavens"---and what is it? Violence, corruption, famine, etc. etc.
So I suggest that in the future, when someone asks an honest question
don't assume it is a hostile one.
>Why don't you save political comment for those who have an inkling
>what they are talking about?
In answer to your question: From the brief and terse comments you have
made I really have to wonder if you know what you are talking
about--and you live there!
zero_inn
<moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
>However, your question is easy enough to answer by someone who
>merely reads political headlines or watches SABC news ...
Do you actually believe those sources when they are controlled by the
ANC government?
ummm.....obviously SA needs help :-)
zero_inn
<moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
>The ANC is still not, however, a pseudonym for the SACP, even
>assuming that "pseudonym" was the term which the poster you're so
>vigorously defending meant to use.
If the ANC is influenced and controlled by members of the SACP what is
the difference?
Care to tell me that?
Or are you just naive?
zero_inn
>Moira,
>
>When the SACP say's jump, the ANC asks "How High".
Right!
Moira must be very young. Maybe she was educated in a school that
rigidly adhered to a government curriculum?
Moira de Swardt
> >When the SACP say's jump, the ANC asks "How High".
> Right!
> Moira must be very young. Maybe she was educated in a school that
> rigidly adhered to a government curriculum?
Well, I'm only "quite" young when viewed by people who are
retirement age or older. "Very young" is a definitition which
doesn't fit anymore.
I was educated at a school which encouraged pupils to think for
themselves and not merely spout what others around me are saying.
This education has been reinforced by further education at other
facilities and life itself.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Moira de Swardt
> >However, your question is easy enough to answer by someone who
> >merely reads political headlines or watches SABC news ...
> Do you actually believe those sources when they are controlled by
the
> ANC government?
Firstly, these sources are not controlled by the government and
where dubious government input is allowed it is most certainly not
exclusive.
Secondly, the factual content of the nature of what seats are
contolled by what parties is not an issue which could be manipulated
by any party politics regardless of how controlled the media
concerned actually was.
> ummm.....obviously SA needs help :-)
Well, if some people would learn to read with understanding of the
facts and interpret broadly the most simple of facts then we'd
already be better off. My recommendation: Join an adult literacy
programme.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Moira de Swardt
> >The ANC is still not, however, a pseudonym for the SACP, even
> >assuming that "pseudonym" was the term which the poster you're so
> >vigorously defending meant to use.
> If the ANC is influenced and controlled by members of the SACP
what is
> the difference?
A tripartite agreement with a minority partner is hardly being
"controlled". The SACP has influence in that it is a member of the
agreement. There is a huge difference between a group having
influence and the two groups being the same thing with different
names.
> Care to tell me that?
See above. If you would like me to spell out the difference between
influence and "same thing - different names" then I will attempt to
do so, although it is a concept which I would expect my nine year
old niece to be able to comprehend.
> Or are you just naive?
I'm not naive. Are you stupid?
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Ferdi Greyling
"Zero_in" is code for infinite point of stupidity.
Davie Davis
On Sat, 25 May 2002 13:57:24 +0200, "Moira de Swardt"
<moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
>
Niks interessant omtrent die kommunistiese snert
wat die vroumens hier verkondig nie. Wonder
waarom sy ons groep insluit in haar 'spamming'.
DD
Moira de Swardt
> >The ANC is not a pseudonym for anything.
> >The SACP and the ANC are two separate parties.
> >Why don't you save political comment for those who have an
inkling
> >what they are talking about?
> Ok Moira, I wonder how old you are. I am in my sixties. I am a New
> Zealander. I took a great interest in South Africa in the 1970s
(was
> that long before you were born?) and was acquainted with the South
> African Consul General in New Zealand at that time.
I was old enough to vote in the seventies. I have taken a great
interest in South Africa as I was born here and I have lived here
for all but a year.
> In case you didn't know, the rest of the world was poking its nose
> into South Africa's affairs and wanted the National Party
"apartheid
> regime", as it was termed, ousted and a black ANC government
> installed.
I was well aware of the situation. The rest of the world didn't
have an agenda about installing a black ANC government in reality.
What they wanted was the democratic process of "one person, one
vote" where people would be free to vote for any party they chose,
including those political parties which had been banned by the
apartheid regime. Should all the people have voted for the PAC,
the ANC or for the National Party or the "Puce Power for Party
Poopers" Party the world wouldn't have cared providing the elections
were substantially free and fair and representative of the genuine
will of all the people of the country.
Are you starting to see a link between what you have been told by
someone who had a lot to gain by repeating apartheid government
propaganda and what you've been spouting vs what the situation
really is in this country?
> Are you with me so far? You were quite rude when you replied to an
> honest question from me, but you must realise that living so far
from
> South Africa I may not be right up to date on everything that
happens
> there.
I have no knowledge of where you are posting from. You merely made
six posts to soc.culture.south-africa in which you hammered the ANC
with no up-to-date information and strongly voiced opinions that the
ANC and the SACP are one and the same thing.
I'm sorry your feelings were hurt at my rudeness to a new poster who
considered his innane one-line criticisms of this country's
government without any information on which to back them valid and
construction political comment. Please note that this is not a
retraction of the comments, nor an apology for them. It is,
however, an acknowledgement that I should have been more tolerant of
such comments, and perhaps ignored them.
> Anyway, to get back to the story. I did not agree with the ANC or
its
> communist influence in South Africa, and further, I did not like
the
> way the rest of the world was doing the work for the communist
> conspiracy by isolating South African from the rest of the world.
> Consequently, I spent nearly 25 years of my life fighting against
this
> right here in my own country. I was supporting South Africa and
had to
> take flak you wouldn't believe, and I did it because I could see
what
> was happening.
The ANC was banned in South Africa at the time. South Africa was
isolated because of its racist policies and not because it opposed
communism. The government chose to highlight the tenuous link
between the ANC and the SACP because at the time of the Cold War it
was easy to get people to join in the screaming about the "Red
Threat" and throw them slightly off the scent of the racism issue.
> You remember the 1981 Springbok tour of New Zealand? Were you even
> born? At that time I was figting the communist stooges here who
were
> fomenting riots in opposition to the Springbok tour. Most sane
people
> here wanted the tour to go ahead but the cowardly politicians
stopped
> it because the communists, fellow travellers and "useful idiots"
> created so much unrest.
In 1981 I had been married and divorced. I had already buried young
people who had been at school with me who were sent to fight other
South Africans. The domestic worker who has been with our family now
for over 40 years, and who raised my sister and I after our mother
died, lost a son to this ugly situation, fortunately only to exile,
but she didn't hear from him for nearly a decade because he feared
it would put her in danger. I was entirely disinterested in sport
and only remember the tour because South Africa was so outraged that
decent people the world over considered them to be anti-social based
on our open policy of racially based laws. By this time I had met
black people socially and discovered that, unlike what I had been
taught, black people like flowers too.
> You say the ANC and the SACP are two separate parties. How well do
you
> know your own country? The ANC was nothing but a front for the
SACP
> and when it came to power (if you like to check) every person in
its
> government who was in a key position was a member of the SACP. In
> effect, the SACP was installed under the banner of the ANC.
Not every person in key positions in the government in 1994 nor in
1999 was or is a member of the SACP, and in fact there were
relatively few people who had firm links with the SACP. There have
been no attempts in the last eight years to socialise anything.
There have been no attempts to do away with capitalism, and in fact,
quite the opposite is true.
I am well aware of the situation in my own country.
> Do you even know your own country's history?
I'm reasonably well informed about the history of South Africa
generally.
> And tell me, has the ANC created the utopia in South Africa that
it
> promised? Has it?
The ANC has created the world's most liberal constitution and a
group of people who can be prevailed upon to respect and enforce it.
The ANC has provided a basic infrastructure for a lot of people who
had no access to basics in the past. The ANC has had a number of
successes in the economic front, the political front and in the
national and international public relations stakes. As can be
expected of a new government, totally without experience of how
these things function, they have made their fair share of mistakes.
They have failed dismally in certain aspects. They have let the
people they govern down badly in terms of HIV/AIDS and redress is
slow. The ANC has done as well as could be expected in many areas,
better than expected in other areas and deserve to be slapped in
still other areas.
> From what I understand from this distance South Africa was a
thousand
> times better off under white rule. Would you like me to quote some
> statistics about your own country?
I don't need you to tell me that many white South Africans were
better off under white rule. I can remember. However, the
situation for millions of black South Africans is actually
infinitely better under representative rule. Of course, the
situation is unchanged for some whites and for some blacks.
> If it is so wonderful there under the ANC, why is it that we have
so
> many South Africans living here in New Zealand? Tell me, why did
they
> flee your country.
Some of it was panic, some was fear and some was simply a desire to
live in a white environment, as they were able to do because the
Nationalist Party kept an artificial distance between blacks and
whites. Many of the people who fled to New Zealand, Australia,
England, Canada and the USA have taken considerable drops in their
standard of living, and some would return to South Africa if they
could only afford to do so. My sister and I each have a friend who
is in that position in different countries, one of them in
Wellington, New Zealand. There are South Africans who have settled
in their new countries and enjoy living there. Then there are South
Africans who hated it and have already returned to South Africa.
> As far as I can see, the two best countries on the African
countries
> were South Africa and Rhodesia until the idiots allowed a
revolution
> (communist inspired) in both countries. Now you have a mad man,
> Comrade Mugabe, and the communist ANC and their created
> "heavens"---and what is it? Violence, corruption, famine, etc.
etc.
You mean "Zimbabwe", don't you? Even in the eighties Zimbabwe was
known as Zimbabwe, not Rhodesia. Neither Zimbabwe nor South Africa
have had communist revolutions. The ANC is not communist regardless
of how desperately you seek to portray them as such.
> So I suggest that in the future, when someone asks an honest
question
> don't assume it is a hostile one.
There is no hostility in your comments about the government elected
by all South Africans in a free and fair democratic election? There
is no hostility in your suggestion that the country was better off
with a repressive government which kept people poor, uneducated and
failed to provide even the most basic infrastructure for future
improvement.
> >Why don't you save political comment for those who have an
inkling
> >what they are talking about?
> In answer to your question: From the brief and terse comments you
have
> made I really have to wonder if you know what you are talking
> about--and you live there!
Sweetie, I don't actually care whether you think you know what I'm
talking about. My record on the s.c.s-a newsgroup is one of
long-standing rational discussion based on the best information I
have. When people have pointed out to me that my thinking is flawed
I have acknowledged it. I have always sought to be better informed.
I have also sought to keep my mind sufficiently open to recognise my
own prejudices and biases and to overcome them, or at least to
acknowledge that I have them. And I don't make judgements based on
a friendship with a government official of a reigning political
party of a country almost halfway across the world, and whose
information is now twenty one years old.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
johanls
gelees het.
"Davie Davis" <d...@ve.com> wrote in message
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Annette
training;))
Oor 30 jaar vat sy Gloudina se leisels oor.:))
Annette
"johanls" <joh...@freemail.absa.co.za> wrote in message
news:3cf00...@batman.vip-za.com...
johanls
ontslae wees van haar snert.
"Annette" <ann...@ctnet.co.za> wrote in message
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Davie Davis
Oor 'n enkele 30 jaar? Klink Gloudina vir jou pensioenerig:-)
Jy hoop Annette:-)))
DD
On Sat, 25 May 2002 15:23:49 +0200, "Annette" <ann...@ctnet.co.za>
wrote:
zakanaka
"Davie Davis" <d...@ve.com> wrote in message
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johanls
"Davie Davis" <d...@ve.com> wrote in message
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Moira de Swardt
> Niks interessant omtrent die kommunistiese snert
> wat die vroumens hier verkondig nie. Wonder
> waarom sy ons groep insluit in haar 'spamming'.
Just responding to the headers as instituted by the first poster in
the thread. But you could have worked that out for yourself, not
so? However, if you let me know *which* newsgroup you want removed,
I'll remove it from my responses to this thread, always providing
that you don't suggest that I remove the newsgroup to which I
usually respond.
However, I would suggest that you investigate the definition of
"spamming". Whatever other sins, including being boring, you may
consider I have committed, "spamming" is not amongst them.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
johanls
plesier. Ons het regtig nie jou kommunistiese snert hier nodig nie.
"Moira de Swardt" <moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote in message
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Davie Davis
'Spamming' was used in lack of a better word.
Of course this is no spamming but it's also of
absolute no interest to us. We' are members
of a group representing the AWB under the
leadership of a lady named Gloudina. Please
remove soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans
from your mailing list.
DD
zakanaka
@rogers.com
johanls wrote:
> Wel as ek reg uitgewerk het is sy oor 30 jaar 80plus en glo ek sal ons
> ontslae wees van haar snert.
Wel, onse eerstejaar Johan wat twee doktorsgrade
wil hê voor hy dertig jaar oud is, die nuusgroep
is skerp verdeel tussen dié wat my geskryf as
"snert" beskou ( maar wat eintlik bedreig voel deur
my en dus gedurig oor my praat) en dié mense wat
nie deur my bedreig voel nie. Jy wys duidelik jou
kleure. Ek wag nog vir die uitleg van die "volkere-
politiek" wat jy sê jou swart koshuismaats voorstaan.
Gloudina
@rogers.com
johanls wrote:
Ons het regtig nie jou kommunistiese snert hier nodig nie.
Dis nou die tweede vroumens vir wie
onse Johan (wat eerstejaar is maar
noual verklaar dat hy twee doktors-
grade gaan hê as hy dertig is) vandag
gesê het hulle praat "snert." Dit lyk
my ons Johan se brein het vasgehaak op
die woord "snert."
Tant Hessie van die agterste van Helsdingens.
@rogers.com
Davie Davis wrote:
We' are members
> of a group representing the AWB under the
> leadership of a lady named Gloudina.
Ag jeez, du Plessis, now you have
blown my cover.
Gloudina van die AWB.
johanls
Wel as jy al die plasings gelees het sou jy sien ek het gemeld dat ek nie
van jou praat nie maar van Moira de Swardt wat gesę het sy kon in die 70s al
stem wat haar ongeveer 20 maak, plus 30 na nou gee 50 en na nog 30 jaar is
sy 80. Kyk bietjie na jou diensverskaffer as jy dit nie gekry het nie, so
ook vir my antwoord op die volkerepolitiek. Ek het al begin wonder of jy al
die plasings kry. Ek het dit 24/5/2002 om 8:35 PM geplaas.
<@rogers.com> wrote in message news:3CF00821...@rogers.com...
>
> johanls wrote:
>
> > Wel as ek reg uitgewerk het is sy oor 30 jaar 80plus en glo ek sal ons
> > ontslae wees van haar snert.
>
> Wel, onse eerstejaar Johan wat twee doktorsgrade
> is skerp verdeel tussen dié wat my geskryf as
> "snert" beskou ( maar wat eintlik bedreig voel deur
> my en dus gedurig oor my praat) en dié mense wat
> nie deur my bedreig voel nie. Jy wys duidelik jou
> kleure. Ek wag nog vir die uitleg van die "volkere-
>
> Gloudina
>
A.L. Myles
> "Zero_in" is code for infinite point of stupidity.
LOL ;-)
We are starting to see that.
Thys de Wet
Jy bedoel seker hy't jou kappie opgeblaas...
> Ag jeez, du Plessis, now you have
> blown my cover.
>
> Gloudina van die AWB.
Hoe staan sake deesdae met die Anti-Wil Beweging?
Of is dit nie meer 'n FAKtor nie?
Thys oppie Bos...
zero_inn
<moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
>I was well aware of the situation. The rest of the world didn't
>have an agenda about installing a black ANC government in reality.
>What they wanted was the democratic process of "one person, one
>vote" where people would be free to vote for any party they chose,
>including those political parties which had been banned by the
>apartheid regime.
You have been duped Moira. That was their stated intention, not their
real agenda.
You probably never were able to see what was happening in other
countries, as I was, where the news media spiked everything that was
truth and did not fit in with the agenda of installing the communist
controlled ANC.
Many people who wrote knowledgeable letters to the editors to the
papers could not even get their letters printed.
zero_inn
<moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
>I was educated at a school which encouraged pupils to think for
>themselves and not merely spout what others around me are saying.
The problem there is that in order to make a decision about what are
facts there needs to be both sides of a story presented. The problem
with much of modern education is that students are either given one
side of a story or they are given "information" that is so slanted as
to colour their viewpoint. The news media and televison knows this
very well which is why they are such an excellent propaganda tool.
zero_inn
<moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
>Not only are you politically ignorant,
Well it seems to me Moria that you are the politically ignorant one. I
know a lot of South Africans who would agree with me.
Moira de Swardt
others because it is off-topic for them.
zero_inn <ze...@mystery.com> wrote in message
> <moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
> >I was educated at a school which encouraged pupils to think for
> >themselves and not merely spout what others around me are saying.
> The problem there is that in order to make a decision about what
are
> facts there needs to be both sides of a story presented. The
problem
> with much of modern education is that students are either given
one
> side of a story or they are given "information" that is so slanted
as
> to colour their viewpoint. The news media and televison knows this
> very well which is why they are such an excellent propaganda tool.
My parents were not politically aware and active people, although
they voted, and I was aware that they supported the United Party of
the time. I was aware that the United Party were not as liberal as
the Progressive Party nor as conservative as the Nationalist Party.
I went to Parktown High School for Girls, in an area which voted for
Helen Suzman, the only Progressive Party candidate. One election,
probably quite late in my schooling, we sat round in a circle and
talked about who supported what. I wasn't terribly clued up about
what the conversation was about, but when we were polled - and I was
one of the last to be polled - I said that I supported the Progs,
simply because most of the girls whom I admired as people has said
that they supported the Progs, rather than the party my parents
supported. That afternoon I went home and discussed the matter with
my father, who suggested that we invite the next canvasser from the
parties in to discuss their manifesto and I could learn a bit about
politics from people who were active in the field. We did so, with
several of the parties. I discovered, almost to my surprise, that I
really did think the Progs were more on the mark than the UP. My
uncle thought it was only natural that young people would be further
left than their parents, and told me that he had actually been a
card-carrying member of the SACP when he was young, except that he
didn't ever have a card.
I left home, studied at college and university, I worked as a
volunteer for the PFP (whatever they were called at the time, it is
difficult to remember what they were called when, they've had so
many name changes) and I voted. I partied. I climbed mountains. I
dated and then married. My ex-husband's brother was a banned
person, someone who married in a religious although not legal
ceremony a woman of another colour, and served time in prison and
was *actually* *released* *from* *military* *conscription* because
of his liberal thinking, talk and behaviour. In reaction to this my
ex-husband toed the political party line of the Nationalist
government outwardly, never once officially or publically
questioning apartheid policies and served in the military in an
exemplory fashion. The entire family had their telephone lines
tapped, post tampered with, and were watched for subversive
activities. Discussions around the family dinner table tended to be
heated. My own political leanings, even at that tender age, were
somewhere between the two. Given the above information, do you
think it is possible that I was unaware that there were at least two
sides to that story.
Later I made friends with David Yutar, a young man fairly radical in
his political leanings to the left, whose father, Percy Yutar, had
been the prosecution advocate in the case which sent Nelson Mandela
to prison. As I sat at their table, in Dr Yutar's study, in David's
den, I honed some of the political awareness which I had started to
develop in my marriage. At that time it was impossible to not be
very aware that there were more than two sides to the debate.
I worked. I studied. I made friends with some black people. I
spent time in Soweto. I thought about things I had never considered
before. I trained as a Salvation Army officer in a multiracial
college, still technically illegal. I lived life in a very real
world where I dealt with poverty, human degradation and social
issues in my capacity as a Salvation Army officer.
Forbidden to exercise any public party affiliation I finally
exercised my political nature in a completely neutral manner by
serving as a monitor for the IEC. My sister flexed her political
interests by serving as the personal secretary to Judge Krige at
that time - and has spent the rest of her working career to date in
quasi-political life. I worried about the election. I worried about
the aftermath. I did not hoard food. :-)
I celebrated the peaceful election. I celebrated the new South
Africa. I rejoiced in the new flag. I learned the words of the new
South African national anthem, arranged by Professor Mzilikazi
Khumalo, a Salvationist and someone known to me personally and much
admired.
I read newspapers, I engage in discussion. I live in the real world
in the real South Africa. I have lived in a black township in
Swaziland. I have black friends and white ones. I watch
television. I have black neighbours and white ones. I have friends
who are interested in politics and friends who are disinterested in
politics. I'm interested in theatre and classical music rather than
politics. I have never supported either the Nationalist Party which
you so laud, nor the ANC which you so decry.
Now that I have introduced myself to you a a political creature,
zero inn, do you honestly believe that I don't know the various
sides to this story based on personal experience and awareness over
the last forty years? You have made some very patronising sounds in
various posts in this thread to imply that you have information
which is not available to me, despite the fact that you live in New
Zealand and two decades ago you knew someone who worked at the
embassy. Now why don't you post this wonderful information,
complete with scholarly citations etc. or back down and admit that
you probably know squat in comparison with those of us who have
lived here and experienced the political history for ourselves.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
Moira de Swardt
zero_inn <ze...@mystery.com> wrote in message
> <moira.d...@global.co.za> wrote:
> >Not only are you politically ignorant,
> Well it seems to me Moria that you are the politically ignorant
one. I
> know a lot of South Africans who would agree with me.
And let me guess ... all of them secretly or openly want a return to
white ruled South Africa?
Moira, the Faerie Godmother