BOTSWANA: MARIETTE BOSCH EXECUTION
chris
was executed by the Botswana government on Saturday March 31st, 2001 are
requested to send an e-mail to Dail...@gov.bw with a copy to
parli...@gov.bw
DB
What makes her story different from any other murderer in Botswana?
The only difference is that Botswana have a lower murder rate, because they
have the death penalty and South Africa don't.!
Why must we allways feel sorry for these murderers? Did she feel sorry for
her friend when she shot her? I don't think so!
Get with the program.................
"chris" <brol...@mail.com> wrote in message
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Garth
I don't think you'll find too many here in sympathy with you Chris.
On a more emotive level, how would you feel if it was your mother that
Bosch had gunned down? Somehow I get the feeling that you will try to
duck that question.
Try to appreciate a situation from more than one side Chris.
Garth
sabsy
What about others who suffered the same fate?
Should we now protest because we are dealing with a white woman?
I am against the death penalty, and not only when a white person is a victim
>
sabsy
"DB" <bos...@iafrica.com> wrote in message
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> If you live by the sword, you die by the sword.!!!!!!!
>
> What makes her story different from any other murderer in Botswana?
Is that the reason?
If that was the case, they would not have a zero death rate.
DARKANGEL
murderer. I'm sick of all this shit, wipe your own arse first before saying
someone else's stinks.
DA
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BillyG
The writer was protesting at the MANNER in which the execution took place.
"DB" <bos...@iafrica.com> wrote in message
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BillyG
"Garth" <truen...@icon.co.za> wrote in message
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> On Tue, chris wrote:
>
> >All those who wish to protest against the manner in which Mariette Bosch
> >was executed by the Botswana government on Saturday March 31st, 2001 are
> >requested to send an e-mail to Dail...@gov.bw with a copy to
> >parli...@gov.bw
>
> I don't think you'll find too many here in sympathy with you Chris.
>
> On a more emotive level, how would you feel if it was your mother that
> Bosch had gunned down? Somehow I get the feeling that you will try to
> duck that question.
>
Garth, the funny thing is that both the daughters of the woman Mariette
Bosch was accused of murdering came out in support of her, stating publicly
that they believed her to be innocent.
There is more to this than meets the ear and eye. I believe the guy that was
offered indemnity in order to testify against Mariette Bosch left for Angola
shortly after the trial on a so called BUSINESS trip and has not been heard
of since.
BillyG
"DARKANGEL" <an...@intkeom.co.za> wrote in message
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> If it was for farm murders man I would've been there, but this is a
> murderer.
Huh, what the fuck are you getting at?
BillyG
"sabsy" <sa...@deletethis.pmail.net> wrote in message
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>
> "chris" <brol...@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:3AC9B906...@mail.com...
> > All those who wish to protest against the manner in which Mariette Bosch
> > was executed by the Botswana government on Saturday March 31st, 2001 are
> > requested to send an e-mail to Dail...@gov.bw with a copy to
> > parli...@gov.bw
>
> What about others who suffered the same fate?
> Should we now protest because we are dealing with a white woman?
Oh fuck Sabsy, you just could not keep race out of it could you? The HRC was
is predominantly black seem to have have come out pretty strong on this
issue, are they also all
racists?
Reenen van Niekerk
die gevolge te dra.
Hulle se dat die doodstraf afgestel moet word om dit wreed is en dat die
mense regte het.
Is dit dan nie wreed om n ander se lewe te neem nie en baie van die moorde
wat deesdae gepleeg word is wreed. Die wreedste moorde wat hier gepleeg word
is die moordenaars tussen 17 en 20 jaar.
Die persone wat vermoor word het mos ook die reg gehad om te lewe.Ek dink
dat misdadigers meer regte het as ons.
Reenen van Niekerk
BillyG <bil...@netactive.co.za> wrote in message
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Emmy
De doodstraf instellen kan niet volgens mij.
Dan maak je een beul tot een moordenaar in opdracht.
Kan dat eigenlijk wel in het jaar 2001 ???
De rechter kan zich vergissen en dan is een onschuldige vermoord en
dat is vaker gebeurd.
Grt Emmy
"Reenen van Niekerk" <rhe...@iafrica.com> schreef in bericht
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Kris
> As jy bereid is om n ander persoon se lewe te neem moet jy bereid wees om
> die gevolge te dra.
> Hulle se dat die doodstraf afgestel moet word om dit wreed is en dat die
> mense regte het.
> Is dit dan nie wreed om n ander se lewe te neem nie en baie van die moorde
> wat deesdae gepleeg word is wreed. Die wreedste moorde wat hier gepleeg
word
> is die moordenaars tussen 17 en 20 jaar.
> Die persone wat vermoor word het mos ook die reg gehad om te lewe.Ek dink
> dat misdadigers meer regte het as ons.
>
> Reenen van Niekerk
Ja, dit is nou as jy 'n absolute blinde vertroue in die regstelsel het en
aanneem dat die regter/s geheel en al onfeilbaar is. Hoe sal jy voel as jy
verkeerdelik van 'n moord aangekla word en ter dood veroordeel word? Wat
gaan dit jou help as jou onskuld eers na jou teregstelling bewys word?
Glo my, dit het al gebeur en wie weet, dalk was Mariette Bosch onskuldig...
Kris
eidob
What I find totally fucking unacceptable, is that these Batswana [along with
the fucking Nigerians, Tanzanians, Angolans etc.. ad nauseam] can come into
OUR country and do whatever they like with absolutely NO DETERRENT! They
KILL SOUTH AFRICANS and then spend a short while in our country retreats, AT
OUR FUCKING EXPENSE!
My answer, for every foreign african found guilty of an offense[especially
violent and drug related crimes], over and above his/her punishment, DEPORT
another 10 innocents of the same nationality. This will FORCE their
countyment to make them behave.
Xenophobia is making a resurgence gentlemen.
Beware.
Bodie.
Ron McGregor
> Read the original post again Bossie, if you don't get read it a second
time.
> The writer was protesting at the MANNER in which the execution took place.
I think the manner in which it took place was exemplary. Far better than
the stupid system in the USA, where people are left to rot on death row for
ever. The lady committed the crime. The case was investigated. She was
arrested and charged and tried and found guilty. She was sentenced to
death. She was allowed an appeal. The appeal was heard without any undue
delay. The appeal was not successful. The lady was executed. All within
the space of less than two years. It could have been faster if it had been
an open and shut case, but considerable detective work was involved.
I am thankful that the matter is over, because it removes the cause for
other countries with poorer human rights records from putting pressure on a
small country like Botswana, whose record of safety for their citizens is
far better than many of the other states who would seek to stick their noses
into the affairs of a sovereign state.
If the national joke known as the Human Rights Commission has its nose out
of joint over this one, I am highly amused.
Ron McGregor
not take part in any protest against the Botswana government, whose safety
record for their citizens in infinitely better than our own.
Rather than protest against the execution of a duly convicted murderess,
people, and especially those who are supposed to protect our lives and our
property in terms of the constitution which they have sworn to uphold and
enforce, should concern themselves with the daily slaughter of innocent
citizens in SA, especially the elderly and the young. More people are
murdered every day in SA than have been executed by Botswana in over 30
years of independence.
I suppose someone is going to now tell us that the death penalty doesn't
work. When comparing Botswana's murder rate with ours, I would suggest that
it does.
chris <brol...@mail.com> wrote in message
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ILLYA
> If you live by the sword, you die by the sword.!!!!!!!
This scripture is quoted out of context and was not uttered by Jesus in
order to substantiate the death penalty.
The question as to weather the death penalty is correct or not is a
different manner. Do not abuse scripture like this !
Darth Mel
> >All those who wish to protest against the manner in which Mariette Bosch
> >was executed by the Botswana government on Saturday March 31st, 2001 are
> >requested to send an e-mail to Dail...@gov.bw with a copy to
> >parli...@gov.bw
> I don't think you'll find too many here in sympathy with you Chris.
wrong.... i feel that the Botswanans fucked up but good here...
> On a more emotive level, how would you feel if it was your mother that
> Bosch had gunned down? Somehow I get the feeling that you will try to
> duck that question.
Bosch's children and Ria's (the murdered woman) children and the husband all
claimed that Bosch was not responsible...
although her appeal had not succeeded other legal measures and various
petitions were still pending... her execution was originally scheduled for
May... Bosch's lawyers were not even informed of their intention to execute
their client... nor was her family... no international witnesses were
present at the execution... for all we know she has been sold into slvery
instead of killed.... we only have the word of the Botswana government that
she was actually killed... this is a procedural error...
the botswanans admit that they killed her in secrecy because of the
controversy surrounding this case... so they just wanted to kill her and
fuck the rest...
the manner in which she was railroaded to her death is extremely
suspicious...
btw some aspects of her case...
she apparently scaled a 2m wall to enter the house of her friend Ria where
she supposedly gunned her down in the passageway.... now a 2m wall is hard
to climb, even for a man... and why bother? it's easier to simply knock on
the door and stroll in... pick your moment and shoot her... then break some
windows to make it look like an intruder did it...
this is what the prosecution claimed happened... it would not fly with
me.... but it seems that all the courts of botswana swallowed it... and then
they killed her as fast as possible and in secrecy...
even if you do support the death penalty, the circumstances surrounding
Bosch's trial and execution should cause you to pause... it seems to me that
for a lot of people who support the death penalty they exhibit a knee-jerk
reaction... which is if the court finds a person guilty then they must be...
but each case needs to be assessed on its own merit... i don't hold courts
as infallibly correct... often they make grave errors...
like for example the posting of sabsy's about the bus driver... he pressed
the wrong pedal and drove a bus off the road... i have pressed the wrong
pedal in a car... fortunately it has not resulted in an accident...
i feel that the magistrate, dries lamprecht, is a fucking arsehole... there
is something wrong with his mind to sentence a bus driver to 6 years in
prison... he must just hate blacks to hand down such a sentence... it would
be interesting to investigate his life and discover why it is that he acted
this way... and then sentence him to 1000 years in jail because we don't
like him...
so the point is that courts err... and that is why, even if you do have a
death penalty, time must be taken to assure that it is the correct
sentence...
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Annette
Die oorspronklike pos was 'n beswaar teen die manier van die teregstelling -
dat haar man Vrydag weggewys is toe hy haar wou besoek, en nie eers in
kennis gestel is van die tyd en datum van die teregstelling nie.
Dit gaan nie oor rassisme, moord op boere, buitelandse misdadigers,
doodstraf en of sy die doodstraf verdien het of nie.
Tipies van politici en baie van ou nasie - om nie te konsentreer op die punt
wat gemeld word nie - maar allerhande jakkalsdraaie te draf om die betrokke
saak.
Ja, ek stem saam - - ek is ook gekant teen die manier waarop te werk gegaan
is - Botswana kon ten minste die ordentlikheid gehad het om haar man te laat
weet wanneer sy tereggestel sou word.
Annette
Reenen van Niekerk wrote in message <3aca0...@news1.mweb.co.za>...
Nick Roux
wrote:
>I suppose someone is going to now tell us that the death penalty doesn't
>work.
I can assure you that that 'someone' will not be Mariette Bosch or any
of the other murderers executed by the Botswana governments. None of
them will commit murder again.
ILLYA
Ron McGregor <ron...@iafrica.com> wrote in message
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> Although I would prefer to live in a world without the death penalty, I
will
> not take part in any protest against the Botswana government, whose safety
> record for their citizens in infinitely better than our own.
>
> Rather than protest against the execution of a duly convicted murderess,
> people, and especially those who are supposed to protect our lives and our
> property in terms of the constitution which they have sworn to uphold and
> enforce, should concern themselves with the daily slaughter of innocent
> citizens in SA, especially the elderly and the young. More people are
> murdered every day in SA than have been executed by Botswana in over 30
> years of independence.
>
> I suppose someone is going to now tell us that the death penalty doesn't
> work. When comparing Botswana's murder rate with ours, I would suggest
that
> it does.
It would surely do a lot of good in stopping the farm murders. - The problem
is that a number of liberation cronies would end up on death row. The outcry
about these guys would be as loud as that about Marietta Bosch. Their
pigmentation would be an issue, just as in the case of Marietta Bosch. The
bottom line is that we should not allow racial issues to clout effective
justice
The number of farmers killed as a land grabbing technique outstrips that of
Zimbabwe by far, but there is no outcry because the government is not
overtly involved.
If the murderers of the farmers were called to account with their own lives
there would be a much different scenario today.
albert
"DIE blykbaar oormatige haas waarmee Mariëtte Bosch die naweek in Botswana
tereggestel is en die manier waarop dié buurland se ampsdraers en amptenare
dit gehanteer het, het skerp kritiek uitgelok van veral
menseregte-organisasies - nie net in Suid-Afrika en internasionaal nie, maar
ook in Botswana self.
"Oor die wenslikheid van die doodstraf gaan dit nie hier nie; nog minder oor
Bosch se moontlike onskuld of oor Botswana se soewereine mag om die
doodstraf te behou en toe te pas.
"Die vraag is of 'n veroordeelde moordenaar enige menslike en menswaardige
behandeling verdien. Daaroor kan lank geredeneer word, en van die mense wat
in Bosch se geval ja sou antwoord, sal moontlik oor ander moordenaars anders
voel.
"Hoewel konsensus bestaan dat moordenaars swaar gestraf moet word, is wrede
wraakstrawwe in geen beskaafde land meer aan die orde van die dag nie. Dus
is menslikheid reeds van toepassing.
"Die manier waarop Bosch se teregstelling gehanteer is, is egter deur
menseregte-organisasies én kriminoloë bestempel as onmenslik, koud en
genadeloos - nie net teenoor haar nie, maar ook en veral teenoor haar
naasbestaandes. Sy is nie toegelaat om van haar geliefdes afskeid te neem
nie en haar man is eers twee dae ná die teregstelling in kennis gestel.
"'n Bietjie menslikheid sou geen verskil aan die straf gemaak het nie, maar
kon dit vir die familie makliker gemaak het.
"Volgens 'n woordvoerder van die Botswana-regering is die familie nie
ingelig nie weens die omstredenheid van die saak. Dis nie duidelik watter
reaksie gevrees is nie, maar Botswana het hom daardeur internasionale
kritiek op die hals gehaal.
"Dat Suid-Afrika se regering ook nie ingelig is oor die teregstelling van 'n
landsburger nie dra ook geensins tot goeie verhoudinge tussen buurlande by
nie."
BillyG
the original post again.
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Darth Mel
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even if they weren't guilty nicky boy??? or are you one of those individuals
who believe that courts don't err???
fucking dumb arsehole you are...
make an argument... not a mess....
BillyG
Bosch is guilty she should hang, what I am against is the manner in which
her execution took place. She was not allowed to see or speak to any of her
family or legal team.
No one was informed of the impending execution. They, the
Botswana government, lied to the Bosch family and their
legal team.
I heard the some or other Botswana government spokesman saying that this is
normal practice in Botswana when executions take place, all the secrecy is
apparently
for security purposes, he said that they didn't want someone
breaking into the prison the free the condemned person. Pathetic...
"Reenen van Niekerk" <rhe...@iafrica.com> wrote in message
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chris
Lawyers outraged by wife's hasty execution
LAWYERS acting for Mariette Bosch, the white South African who was secretly hanged at the weekend, denounced Botswana yesterday for carrying out the execution before the condemned woman’s final pleas for mercy were heard.
Read the full story at:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-109273,00.html
Annette
Keep it up!! You are growing up well now.
Annette.
Darth Mel wrote in message <9aebr2$pln$1...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>...
Annette
Annette
Nick Roux wrote in message <3acbb6c4...@news.icon.co.za>...
Annette
their constitution ( to inform the family or lawyers), it does not exonerate
them from acting in a human and compassionate manner.
Annette
BillyG wrote in message <3acac3e5$0$2...@hades.is.co.za>...
Annette
dit is nie.
Annette
albert wrote in message <3ACABC7B...@mail.com>...
Darth Mel
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> The first logical and to the point answer I have ever seen of you.
> Keep it up!! You are growing up well now.
> Annette.
i mostly save my efforts for my web site.... and just kick around on here...
:-)
Steve Hayes
>All those who wish to protest against the manner in which Mariette Bosch
>was executed by the Botswana government on Saturday March 31st, 2001 are
>requested to send an e-mail to Dail...@gov.bw with a copy to
>parli...@gov.bw
Along with your petition for a reintroduction of caital punishment in SA?
PS How's Bittergal?
Steve Hayes
http://www.suite101.com/myhome.cfm/methodius
sabsy
"Nick Roux" <Nick...@Bigfoot.Com> wrote in message
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And I can assure you that the innocent ones killed in this manner will not
see the day of light again
Andrew
Why? Her family wasn't even notified it was taking place.
> Far better than
> the stupid system in the USA, where people are left to rot on death row
for
> ever.
And people have been found innocent while "rotting on death row" by DNA
testing.
Andrew
Andrew
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>
> of the other murderers executed by the Botswana governments. None of
> them will commit murder again.
What if they didn't commit murder in the first place?
Andrew
Andrew
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>and then sentence him to 1000 years in jail because we don't
> like him...
>
How nice and tolerant.
Andrew
Reenen van Niekerk
persentasie wat vekeerdelik gehang het is dit baie laag.
Dink jy werklik dat lewenslange gevangenisskap werk.
As dit werk ,hoekom het die moorde nie afgeneem nie????
Hoekom is daar nog soveel verkragtings????
Want hulle weet as hulle gevang word is die kanse goed dat hy sal uitgaan op
borg of ontsnap en dan kan hy ontsla raak van die getuies.
Word hy skuldig bevind is dit nie lank nie dan loop hy buite rond op parool.
Reenen van Niekerk
Darth Mel <m...@darkside.empire> wrote in message
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Reenen van Niekerk
Ek volg tans n saak van nou tannie wat in haar huis aangeval was in Table
View.Hulle het eers haar keel probeer afsny maar die mes was te stomp.Toe
maak hulle n ketting om haar net vas en sleep haar die huis vol en oefen
sokker op haar.
My vraag. Was sy menswaardig behandel???
Terloops die jongste een is 17 jaar oud.
Reenen van Niekerk
Annette <ann...@ctnet.co.za> wrote in message
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Emmy
> Dink jy werklik dat lewenslange gevangenisskap werk.
> As dit werk ,hoekom het die moorde nie afgeneem nie????
> Hoekom is daar nog soveel verkragtings????
Noem me een land op waar de doodstraf wel is en de
misdaden gedaald zijn.
De doodstraf schrikt niet af.
Beter is je af te vragen Hoe het komt dat mensen misdadiger worden.
Vaak de omstandigheden.
Grt Emmy
The Faerie Godmother
Darth Mel <m...@darkside.empire> wrote in message
> > The first logical and to the point answer I have ever seen of
you.
> > Keep it up!! You are growing up well now.
> > Annette.
> i mostly save my efforts for my web site.... and just kick around
on here...
> :-)
Well, it's still nice to see a reasonable post. There are enough
idiots "out there" without people who are not idiots behaving as if
they were.
Moira, the Faerie Godmother
sabsy
"Andrew" <andre...@usa.net> wrote in message
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> "Ron McGregor" <ron...@iafrica.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > I think the manner in which it took place was exemplary.
>
> Why? Her family wasn't even notified it was taking place.
What is the general procedure in Botswana?
Why should her family be informed when families of others killed in this
barbaric manner did not get notified?
sabsy
> What if they didn't commit murder in the first place?
Like so many other people who are not MBosch
Andrew
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>
>
>
> What is the general procedure in Botswana?
I'm not sure, but surely if she is an SA citizen they should notify the SA
govt?
> Why should her family be informed when families of others killed in this
> barbaric manner did not get notified?
Everybody's family should be notified. I mean, they told her husband on
Friday to come visit her on Monday, obiviously knowing that she would be
dead by then.
Andrew
Andrew
Exactly
Andrew
sabsy
"Andrew" <andre...@usa.net> wrote in message
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> "sabsy" <sa...@deletethis.pmail.net> wrote in message
> news:3acb8...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> >
> >
> >
> > What is the general procedure in Botswana?
>
> I'm not sure, but surely if she is an SA citizen they should notify the SA
> govt?
Why?
When she killed, she did not inform the SA government.
>
> > Why should her family be informed when families of others killed in this
> > barbaric manner did not get notified?
>
> Everybody's family should be notified. I mean, they told her husband on
> Friday to come visit her on Monday, obiviously knowing that she would be
> dead by then.
There are probably worse stories, but the media has found a darling.
Another case of the media making a big deal when whites are affected.
Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it
Annette
Maar dit gee ons nog steeds nie die reg om die oortreder nie menswaardig te
behandel nie.
Doen ons dit nie, daal ons af na sy vlak.
Annette
Reenen van Niekerk wrote in message <3acb7...@news1.mweb.co.za>...
>Ek stem saam
>Ek volg tans n saak van nou tannie wat in haar huis aangeval was in Table
>View.Hulle het eers haar keel probeer afsny maar die mes was te stomp.Toe
>maak hulle n ketting om haar net vas en sleep haar die huis vol en oefen
>sokker op haar.
>
>My vraag. Was sy menswaardig behandel???
>Terloops die jongste een is 17 jaar oud.
>
>Reenen van Niekerk
>Annette <ann...@ctnet.co.za> wrote in message
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>> Enige persoon is geregtig op menswaardige behandeling - maak nie saak wie
>> dit is nie.
>> Annette
>>
>> albert wrote in message <3ACABC7B...@mail.com>...
>> >Die Burger hoofartikel: 2001-04-04:
>> >
>> >"DIE blykbaar oormatige haas waarmee Mariėtte Bosch die naweek in
>Botswana
>> >tereggestel is en die manier waarop dié buurland se ampsdraers en
>amptenare
>> >dit gehanteer het, het skerp kritiek uitgelok van veral
>> >menseregte-organisasies - nie net in Suid-Afrika en internasionaal nie,
>> maar
>> >ook in Botswana self.
>> >
>> >"Oor die wenslikheid van die doodstraf gaan dit nie hier nie; nog minder
>> oor
>> >Bosch se moontlike onskuld of oor Botswana se soewereine mag om die
>> >doodstraf te behou en toe te pas.
>> >
>> >"Die vraag is of 'n veroordeelde moordenaar enige menslike en
>menswaardige
>> >behandeling verdien. Daaroor kan lank geredeneer word, en van die mense
>wat
>> >in Bosch se geval ja sou antwoord, sal moontlik oor ander moordenaars
>> anders
>> >voel.
>> >
>> >"Hoewel konsensus bestaan dat moordenaars swaar gestraf moet word, is
>wrede
>> >wraakstrawwe in geen beskaafde land meer aan die orde van die dag nie.
>Dus
>> >is menslikheid reeds van toepassing.
>> >
>> >"Die manier waarop Bosch se teregstelling gehanteer is, is egter deur
>> >menseregte-organisasies én kriminoloė bestempel as onmenslik, koud en
>> >genadeloos - nie net teenoor haar nie, maar ook en veral teenoor haar
>> >naasbestaandes. Sy is nie toegelaat om van haar geliefdes afskeid te
neem
>> >nie en haar man is eers twee dae nį die teregstelling in kennis gestel.
poppie
gebeur het. a) Hoekom vind die hele ding plaas in Botswana,
is hierdie mense Suid-Afrikaans? b) Hoekom het sy haar beste
vriendin (en hoe) vermoor, om met haar man te trou? c) Hoekom
is hierdie saak so omstrede (behalwe nou dat haar naasbestaandes
nie ingelig was nie toe sy tereggestel was nie). Ek verbeel my dat die hele
storie in misterie
gehul was.
Dankie
Pop
Annette <ann...@ctnet.co.za> wrote in message
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> Ek dink verskeie mense gaan heeltemal van die punt af.
> Die oorspronklike pos was 'n beswaar teen die manier van die
teregstelling -
> dat haar man Vrydag weggewys is toe hy haar wou besoek, en nie eers in
> kennis gestel is van die tyd en datum van die teregstelling nie.
> Dit gaan nie oor rassisme, moord op boere, buitelandse misdadigers,
> doodstraf en of sy die doodstraf verdien het of nie.
> Tipies van politici en baie van ou nasie - om nie te konsentreer op die
punt
> wat gemeld word nie - maar allerhande jakkalsdraaie te draf om die
betrokke
> saak.
>
> Ja, ek stem saam - - ek is ook gekant teen die manier waarop te werk
gegaan
> is - Botswana kon ten minste die ordentlikheid gehad het om haar man te
laat
> weet wanneer sy tereggestel sou word.
> Annette
>
> Reenen van Niekerk wrote in message <3aca0...@news1.mweb.co.za>...
> >As jy bereid is om n ander persoon se lewe te neem moet jy bereid wees om
> >die gevolge te dra.
> >Hulle se dat die doodstraf afgestel moet word om dit wreed is en dat die
> >mense regte het.
> >Is dit dan nie wreed om n ander se lewe te neem nie en baie van die
moorde
> >wat deesdae gepleeg word is wreed. Die wreedste moorde wat hier gepleeg
> word
> >is die moordenaars tussen 17 en 20 jaar.
> >Die persone wat vermoor word het mos ook die reg gehad om te lewe.Ek dink
> >dat misdadigers meer regte het as ons.
> >
> >Reenen van Niekerk
> >BillyG <bil...@netactive.co.za> wrote in message
> >news:3ac9d951$0$2...@hades.is.co.za...
> >>
> >> "DARKANGEL" <an...@intkeom.co.za> wrote in message
> >> news:9acjfj$50r$1...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> >> > If it was for farm murders man I would've been there, but this is a
> >> > murderer.
> >>
> >> Huh, what the fuck are you getting at?
> >>
> >> I'm sick of all this shit, wipe your own arse first before saying
> >> > someone else's stinks.
> >> >
> >> > DA
> >> >
> >> > "chris" <brol...@mail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:3AC9B906...@mail.com...
Annette
poppie wrote in message <9agb1i$198$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>...
>Annette, gee net vir ons buitelanders n vinnige opsomming van wat
>gebeur het. a) Hoekom vind die hele ding plaas in Botswana,
>is hierdie mense Suid-Afrikaans?
Bosch se man is in 1995 in 'n motorongeluk oorlede.
Drie maande na die dood van sy vrou het Wolmarans en Bosch verloof geraak.
Dus, alhoewel sy en haar man SA burgers is, is die moord in Botswana gepleeg
terwyl hulle daar woonagtig was.
b) Hoekom het sy haar beste
>vriendin (en hoe) vermoor, om met haar man te trou?
Dit is wat in die hof beweer is, en waarom sy skuldig bevind is.
Haar kinders, sy kinders, en Wolmarans het volgehou dat sy nie die moord kon
pleeg nie.
Almal van hulle beweer dat daar iemand anders was - wat met die eerste
verhoog getuig het en van vervolging vrygestel is - wat meer lig op die saak
kon werk. Ongeukkig het hierdie persoon heeltemal verdwyn.
Wat snaaks is, is dat Bosch 'n pistool vanaf SA oor die grens geneem het, en
net na Wolmarans se vrou se dood ( sy is doodgeskiet) het sy die pistool
weer terug or die grens na SA geneem.
c) Hoekom
>is hierdie saak so omstrede (behalwe nou dat haar naasbestaandes
>nie ingelig was nie toe sy tereggestel was nie). Ek verbeel my dat die
hele
>storie in misterie
>gehul was.
>
Nie eintlik nie. Daar was wel nog stukke wat aan die hof voorgelę is wat nog
nie aandag gekry het nie.
Die familie was nog steeds besig, nadat die appel nie geslaag het nie, om
die doodstraf vonnis ter syde gestel te kry.
Sy sou in Mei gehang word - toe is sy skielik Saterdagoggend gehang.
Haar man het vir besoek Vrydag opgedaag. Daar is aan hom gesę hy kan nie
inkom nie, omdat daar inspeksie in die tronk is, en hy Maandag weer moes
kom.
Dieselfde verskoning is gegee aan Amnestie Internasionaal se
verteenwoordigers.
Nie 'n woord oor die voorgenome teregstelling is aan een van die partye
gegee nie.
Nie eers haar regverteenwoordigers is van die voorgenome vervroegde
teregstelling in kennis gestel nie.
Annette
Annette
Ron McGregor
Annette <ann...@ctnet.co.za> wrote
> Ja, ek stem saam - - ek is ook gekant teen die manier waarop te werk
gegaan
> is - Botswana kon ten minste die ordentlikheid gehad het om haar man te
laat
> weet wanneer sy tereggestel sou word.
Ja, dit was eintlik nie "ordentlik" nie. Botswana het glo gevrees dat as
die buitewereld vooruit weet dat die teregstelling gaan plaasvind, daar baie
druk op hulle gaan wees van moordenaar-liefhebbers in verskeie lande - veral
Suid Afrika. Onder sulke omstandighede verstaan ek hulle aksie.
Maar 'n mens kan ook se dat dit nie baie ordentlik was dat Mev Bosch haar
beste vried vermoor het.
'k vind dit ook snaaks hoe die verwantskap tussen die egpaar oorleef het
nadat dit uitgekom het dat Bosch haar man se vorige vrou doodgeskiet het.
Die polisie het op 'n stadium verdink dat hy ook betrokke was.
Ron McGregor
Reenen van Niekerk <rhe...@iafrica.com> wrote
> Die persone wat vermoor word het mos ook die reg gehad om te lewe.
I thought I would translate this for the benefit of those who do not have
Afrikaans"
>The people getting murdered also had the right to life.>
Jac...@eskom.co.za
> "Andrew" <andre...@usa.net> wrote in message
> > Why? Her family wasn't even notified it was taking place.
>
> What is the general procedure in Botswana?
> Why should her family be informed when families of others killed in this
> barbaric manner did not get notified?
Or when she never notified her victim's family...?
Ron McGregor
The Faerie Godmother <faerieg...@africamail.com> wrote
>
> Well, it's still nice to see a reasonable post.
Especially, and amazingly, from Mel. I didn't agree with her point of view,
but at least this time she produced a reasoned argument.
Ron McGregor
Andrew <andre...@usa.net> wrote > "Ron McGregor" <ron...@iafrica.com>
wrote in message
> news:3aca8...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> >
> >
> > I think the manner in which it took place was exemplary.
>
> Why? Her family wasn't even notified it was taking place.
What's that got to do with it? The death penalty is supposed to be a
PUNISHMENT, damn it. People who kill need to be punished, and in such a
manner that their punishment serves as a deterrent to others. This means
that from the moment the guilty verdict has been confirmed, they should
cease to exist.
The fact that this debate is now taking place indicates that for the first
time in a long time, people have actually taken some note of a sentence
being carried out. Compare this, for example, with the complete lack of
reaction from society when some armed robber or serial killer or gang rapist
or child murderer is sentenced to 47 and a half life sentences.
Nobody notices, nobody cares, nobody is deterred, and the crimes go on.
The government of Botswana should be complemented for reminding us all that
murder is a crime.
Ron McGregor
> Ron nobody is complaining about the Bosch receiving the death sentence.
Read
> the original post again.
Point taken, BillyG. I guess, however, that it's pretty hard to invoke a
protest about the MANNER of execution without dragging up a whole debate
about the question of the existence of capital punishment.
sabsy
Hilda en Gervaas
"Reenen van Niekerk" <rhe...@iafrica.com> schreef in bericht
news:3acb7...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> As n mens gaan kyk na hoeveel mense die doodstraf gekry het teen die
> persentasie wat vekeerdelik gehang het is dit baie laag.
Selfs al is daar slegs een wat verkeerdelik gehang word, is dit vir my
genoeg om die doodstraf af te skaf.
Die 'een' kan mos jy (of ek) wees ...
Hilda.
Emmy
> Ek volg tans n saak van nou tannie wat in haar huis aangeval was in
Table
> View.Hulle het eers haar keel probeer afsny maar die mes was te
stomp.Toe
> maak hulle n ketting om haar net vas en sleep haar die huis vol en
oefen
> sokker op haar.
Dat maakt een mens heel kwaad en je zou ze de doodstraf toewensen en nog
ergere dingen.
Als je het zag als getuige zou je ze zelfs het ergste aandoen.
Wat hierboven gebeurd is ziekelijk en barbaars.
Maar op emoties kan men geen rechtvaardige rechtstaat bouwen.
De rechter bepaald de straf op basis van wet en als hij zich vergist bij
het uitvoeren van de doodstraf is deze straf "nooit" meer terug te
draaien.
Bovendien maak je van een ander mens ( beul ) een moordenaar in
opdracht.
Maar dat had ik al gezegd.
De doodstraf heeft geen enkel effect op vermindering van de
criminaliteit.
Ook met de doodstraf in de wet was dit wat je hierboven beschrijft
zeer zeker ook gebeurd.
Grt Emmy
Brazen Hussy
Ermmm... Mel ?? Shall *I* correct him or will you? <g>
--
NVS
>*<
Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.
Brazen Hussy
> Another case of the media making a big deal when whites are affected.
> Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it
When last *did* you watch the news... what about the black kid who was
killed whilst poaching (ain't that illegal?) by members of the Noordelikes
rugby team... don't you think this is very much pro black? When black
murdurers are apprehended by the police you don't even get a glimpse of it
on the news, but when white kills black you can't turn your tv or radio on
without hearing about it... again & again & again...
Steve Hayes
>Bosch's children and Ria's (the murdered woman) children and the husband all
>claimed that Bosch was not responsible...
Don't they all?
At least if she'd done it in South Africa she wouldn't have swung.
I'm reminded of the old Pete Seeger song (banned under the Nat regime, of
course):
What did you learn in school today,
dear little boy of mine?
I learned that Washington never told a lie
I learned that soldiers seldom die
I learned that murderers die for their crimes
even if we make a mistake sometimes
That's what I learned in school today
That's what I learned in school.
Steve Hayes
http://www.suite101.com/myhome.cfm/methodius
Steve Hayes
>On Tue, chris wrote:
>
>>All those who wish to protest against the manner in which Mariette Bosch
>>was executed by the Botswana government on Saturday March 31st, 2001 are
>>requested to send an e-mail to Dail...@gov.bw with a copy to
>>parli...@gov.bw
>
>I don't think you'll find too many here in sympathy with you Chris.
>
>On a more emotive level, how would you feel if it was your mother that
>Bosch had gunned down? Somehow I get the feeling that you will try to
>duck that question.
>
>Try to appreciate a situation from more than one side Chris.
You know whose side has been ignored in all this?
The media's.
This case shows how they've been made to suffer since South Africa abolished
the death penalty.
Haven't they just lapped it up like a thirsty dog at a water bowl on a hot
day?
Think of the poor media, being deprived of a good hanging for so long! There's
nothing like a good hanging to boost the circulation.
I suggest a limited reintroduction of the death penalty, in the intrests of
media fairness.
We mustn't go back to the good old days of the PW Botha regime, where hangings
were two a penny, and got a couple of column centimetres at the bottom of page
5. No, they should be regulated, like the diamond trade, if they are to keep
their value.
I suggest that there should be one every 2 years or so, and strictly
regulated. There should be no rifraff like armed robbers, farmers who shoot
their workers, workers who shoot their farmers, Pagad pampoene, taxi
hitpersons, pushers bumped off by rivals, or any boring rabble of that sort.
No, the protagonist must be female and preferably rich, or at least married to
someone rich. This is important for all the photos of the house, the gates,
the cars in the driveway, etc There must be enough opportunities for the subs
to use the word "luxury" in their headlines. And there must be an eternal
triangle. She must kill her husband, or her lover's wife.
And spreading it out over 18 months to 2 years should be just right, to cover
the murder, the investigation, the trial, the appeal, the plea for clemency
and the hanging itself.
And then a moratorium of 3 months before the next murder begins.
Isn't that what a free press is for?
Steve Hayes
http://www.suite101.com/myhome.cfm/methodius
Andrew
She's a SA citizen.
> When she killed, she did not inform the SA government.
>
I'd say there's a clear distinction between a murderer and an elected
government.
> There are probably worse stories, but the media has found a darling.
Probably, but the other stories probably aren't known about.
> Another case of the media making a big deal when whites are affected.
> Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it
I'd say they're making a big deal becuase of the way in which the execution
took place and becuase she is a SA national.
Andrew
Reenen van Niekerk
Reenen van Niekerk
Emmy <emmy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Reenen van Niekerk
vit die familie wat agterbly.
Reenen van Niekerk
Hilda en Gervaas <hilda....@pandora.be> wrote in message
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Reenen van Niekerk
drie strafteoriee is voorkoming. m.a w die beskerming van die gemeenskap en
om te verhoed dat hy weer misdaad pleeg en een van die strawwe is die
doodstraf.
Reenen van Niekerk
Emmy <emmy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hilda en Gervaas
> En wat van al die mense wat vermoor en vroue wat verkrag word. Wat se n
mens
> vit die familie wat agterbly.
>
> Reenen van Niekerk
Sal dit help om te weet dat die moordenaar dood is ?
Ek pleit vir 'n lewenslange tronkstraf wat REGTIG lewenslank is. En dan moet
hulle ook verplig word om te werk en daarvoor 'n loon kry. Daardie geld kan
dan gebruik word om die familie te vergoed.
En dan sal daar ook nooit 'n onskuldige mens die doodstraf kry nie.
Lyk dit regverdig of nie ?
Hilda.
Hilda en Gervaas
"Reenen van Niekerk" <rhe...@iafrica.com> schreef in bericht
news:3acca...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> Kyk na jou Arabiese lande, kyk na Singapore.Net n paar.
>
> Reenen van Niekerk
Reenen, ek het ses jaar in die Midde-Ooste gebly (Irak, Saoedi Arabië en die
Emirate) en jy's reg daar word amper nooit iemand vermoord nie en nie
gesteel nie. Maar vir gewone mense, soos ons, is die vryheid vreeslik
beperk - veral in Saoedi Arabië. Die Emirate leef ook van toeriste en is dus
toleranter. Maar in Saoedi Arabië mag mans nie in kortbroeke of sonder hemp
op straat kom nie - vrouens moet ook altyd iets met moue dra. Vrouens mag
net in die onderwys en mediese sektor werk. Hulle mag nie motors bestuur
nie. Ander godsdienste as die Islam is heeltemal verbode - ens, ens. En ek
praat nou net van buitelandse vrouens/mans. Vir die Arabiere is alles nog
strenger.Ek dink dus nie dit is 'n goeie idee om daardie lande as voorbeelde
te gee.
Hilda.
Reenen van Niekerk
vermoor word wat lei. Die misdadigers is nie gepla oor lewenslange
gevangenisstraf nie.
As dit werk in n land dan stem ek 100% daarmee saam, maar ons sit met n
probleem dat die misdadigers nie gepla is nie en n persoon veral ou mense op
die wreedste manier doodmaak vir n paar rand net omdat hulle lus daarvoor
is.
Soos ek voorheen gese het is ons wreedste moordenaars tussen 17 en 20 jaar
oud en dan het hulle somtyds tot 3 tot 5 moorde reeds gepleeg as hy gevang
word en dan beskou hulle die hofsaak as n grap en staan en lag .
In my oe is mense wat sulke moorde pleeg diere en moet hulle so behandel
word.
Hilda ek wil jou net vra of jy al op so n moordtoneel gestaan het.Het jy al
n boodskap gaan oordra aan n vrou met n kleintjie op die arms en nog een op
pad en vir haar moes vertel dat haar man doodgemaak was vir sy paar
skoene.Het jy al in die oe gekyk van n 7 jarige meisie wat deur 2 of 3 mans
verkrag was.Het jy al die vernedring in die oe van n vrou gesien as sy vir
jou moet vertel wat met haar gebeur het as sy verkrag was.
Vir my bly moord ,moord veral as jy dit nog beplan het voor jy dit uitgevoer
het.
Ek se nie alle moordenaars moet die doodstraf kry nie maar as dit n wrede en
beplande moord is moet dit terug gebring word.
Reenen van Niekerk
Hilda en Gervaas <hilda....@pandora.be> wrote in message
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Annette
kwansuis oor 'n 8 voet hoė muur sou klim om die daad te pleeg nie. Hoe het
hulle by daardie stukkie bewys uitgekom?
Weet iemand?
Annette
Ron McGregor wrote in message <3acbf...@news1.mweb.co.za>...
sabsy
> "sabsy" <sa...@deletethis.pmail.net> wrote in message
> news:3acb8...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> >
> >
> > Why?
>
> She's a SA citizen.
>
> > When she killed, she did not inform the SA government.
> >
>
> I'd say there's a clear distinction between a murderer and an elected
> government.
It is a foreign government, if you need to be reminded.
They have a right to carry out their laws as they see fit.
We might not agree, but they are an independent state.
Should we now treat them like we are asked to intervene in the Mugabe case
because some nice white murderer was murdered by a foreign state?
>
>
> > There are probably worse stories, but the media has found a darling.
>
> Probably, but the other stories probably aren't known about.
Because they do not involve white murderers.
>
> > Another case of the media making a big deal when whites are affected.
> > Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it
>
> I'd say they're making a big deal becuase of the way in which the
execution
> took place and becuase she is a SA national.
And I would say you are naive, again.
>
> Andrew
>
>
Emmy
dan is de gemeenschap ook beschermd.
Wij kennen zoiets als TBS ter beschikkingstelling dat wil zeggen dat
een rechter een gevangenisstraf kan opleggen en daarna TBS.
Psychiaters bepalen dan of iemand weer de maatschappij in kan.
Voor echt gestoorde misdadigers kan dat levenslange opsluiting
betekenen.
Ook als ze geen levenslange gevangenisstraf hebben gekregen van de
rechter.
Bijv. 25 jaar gevangenisstraf en TBS
Er is geen enkel overtuigend bewijs dat de doodstraf de beste straf is.
Emotioneel wensen mensen iemand de dood na een zwaar misdrijf maar om
het
dan ook te doen is vers twee.
Grt Emmy
Reenen van Niekerk" <rhe...@iafrica.com> schreef in bericht
news:3acca...@news1.mweb.co.za...
Andrew
>
>
> It is a foreign government, if you need to be reminded.
> They have a right to carry out their laws as they see fit.
> We might not agree, but they are an independent state.
I have no problem with them carrying out their laws but the govt. should at
least be informed.
>
> Because they do not involve white murderers.
>
Perhaps
> And I would say you are naive, again.
>
Maybe
Andrew
Ron McGregor
Brazen Hussy <nvs...@NOSPAMmweb.co.za> wrote
> When last *did* you watch the news... what about the black kid who was
> killed whilst poaching (ain't that illegal?) by members of the Noordelikes
> rugby team... don't you think this is very much pro black? When black
> murdurers are apprehended by the police you don't even get a glimpse of it
> on the news, but when white kills black you can't turn your tv or radio on
> without hearing about it... again & again & again...
Has anyone noticed that outrages committed by whites against blacks are soon
followed by arrests, charges, trials and convictions. This applies to
things like painting people white or silver, down to barbarous acts like
these savages who tie people to trees, drag them behind pick-up trucks, or
beat poachers to death.
However, outrages committed by blacks are followed by nothing. Hardly
anyone gets arrested, there is minimal publicity, and the victim never gets
his justice. Just occasionally, if the outrage has occurred in the black
community, the people get out and take care of justice themselves.
Somewhere out there in the community is a conspiracy of silence ...........
BillyG
>
> "Andrew" <andre...@usa.net> wrote in message
> news:3acc8...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> > "sabsy" <sa...@deletethis.pmail.net> wrote in message
> > news:3acb8...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> > >
> > >
> > > Why?
> >
> > She's a SA citizen.
> >
> > > When she killed, she did not inform the SA government.
> > >
> >
> > I'd say there's a clear distinction between a murderer and an elected
> > government.
>
> It is a foreign government, if you need to be reminded.
> They have a right to carry out their laws as they see fit.
> We might not agree, but they are an independent state.
> Should we now treat them like we are asked to intervene in the Mugabe case
> because some nice white murderer was murdered by a foreign state?
>
Nobody is denying there right Sabsy you bloody idiot,
> >
> >
> > > There are probably worse stories, but the media has found a darling.
> >
> > Probably, but the other stories probably aren't known about.
>
> Because they do not involve white murderers.
>
And what do you say about the latest news regarding a BLACK South African
that has been condemned to death
also in a Botswana prison for killing a policeman?
He was arrested in 1994, sentenced in 1998, why is he still
languishing in prison? Surely if the Botswana governments policy is to get
things over a.s.a.p. this guy should have been dead long time ago.
> >
> > > Another case of the media making a big deal when whites are affected.
> > > Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it
> >
> > I'd say they're making a big deal becuase of the way in which the
> execution
> > took place and becuase she is a SA national.
>
> And I would say you are naive, again.
>
And I would say you are total idiot, for want of a better word.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
>
>
Steve Hayes
>I'd say they're making a big deal becuase of the way in which the execution
>took place and becuase she is a SA national.
That, and also the love triangle.
If she'd done something mundane like robbing a bank, or shooting a taxi driver
she wouldn't have got nearly as much media attention. If, on the other hand,
her male lover had robbed a bank, and shot a few cops in pursuit, they'd have
made a TV series (cf Bonnie & Clyde).
Steve Hayes
http://www.suite101.com/myhome.cfm/methodius
Hilda en Gervaas
> Alles mooi gese maar dit bly altyd die familie van die persoon wat onnodig
> vermoor word wat lei. Die misdadigers is nie gepla oor lewenslange
> gevangenisstraf nie.
Ja, ek dink dat die familie altyd verder sal ly - of die moordenaar dood is
of nie. Ek weet nie van Suidafrikaanse moordenaars nie, maar in Belgiė sal
hulle seker oor 'n lewenslange straf gepla wees.
> As dit werk in n land dan stem ek 100% daarmee saam, maar ons sit met n
> probleem dat die misdadigers nie gepla is nie en n persoon veral ou mense
op
> die wreedste manier doodmaak vir n paar rand net omdat hulle lus daarvoor
> is.
Ek kan natuurlik net praat oor Belgiė - hier gebeur nie so baie moorde nie
en ons het g'n doodstraf nie. Toe ek nog in Kongo gebly het, was daar ook
min moorde, maar hulle het wel die doodstraf gehad. Sowel in Belgiė as in
Kongo is (vir Kongo moet ek dalk sź 'was' ?) daar min vuurwapens in omloop
en mag niemand met 'n wapen oor die straat loop nie. Dalk verminder dit ook
die kans op moorde ?
> Soos ek voorheen gese het is ons wreedste moordenaars tussen 17 en 20 jaar
> oud en dan het hulle somtyds tot 3 tot 5 moorde reeds gepleeg as hy gevang
> word en dan beskou hulle die hofsaak as n grap en staan en lag .
>
> In my oe is mense wat sulke moorde pleeg diere en moet hulle so behandel
> word.
> Hilda ek wil jou net vra of jy al op so n moordtoneel gestaan het.Het jy
al
> n boodskap gaan oordra aan n vrou met n kleintjie op die arms en nog een
op
> pad en vir haar moes vertel dat haar man doodgemaak was vir sy paar
> skoene.Het jy al in die oe gekyk van n 7 jarige meisie wat deur 2 of 3
mans
> verkrag was.Het jy al die vernedring in die oe van n vrou gesien as sy vir
> jou moet vertel wat met haar gebeur het as sy verkrag was.
Ja, ek begryp dat dit moeilik is om nog 'n mens in daardie soort misdadigers
te sien. En dit is natuurlik BAIE moeilik en dalk selfs onmoontlik vir ons
hier in 'n veilige Westerse wźreld om te oordeel oor lande waar die
lewensomstandighede te veel van ons s'n verskil om 'n duidelike beeld
daarvan te kry.
Toe Dutroux in Belgiė aangehou is - hy het verskillende kinders vermoor -
het 'n groot deel van die bevolking ook vir die doodstraf gepleit. Ek's net
nie oortuig dat die doodstraf iets gaan verander nie. Ek glo nog steeds dat
lewenslange opsluiting ook 'n baie swaar straf is.
> Vir my bly moord ,moord veral as jy dit nog beplan het voor jy dit
uitgevoer
> het.
> Ek se nie alle moordenaars moet die doodstraf kry nie maar as dit n wrede
en
> beplande moord is moet dit terug gebring word.
Dalk moet julle probeer om julle regering te oortuig om die doodstraf weer
in te voer en dan sien of die misdaad verminder. En as dit dan verminder dan
moet julle dit so hou.
Ek ken baie Afrikaners en ek weet dat julle baie gawe mense is wat nie ander
mense dood wens nie. Dus sal daar seker 'n goeie rede wees as julle die
doodstraf terug wil invoer.
Mense in Europa - wat nog interesse vir Suid-Afrika het - moet dalk beter
luister voor hulle hul eie sienswyse opdring.
Ek wens julle in iedergeval net die beste toe !
Hilda.
sabsy
"Andrew" <andre...@usa.net> wrote in message
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> "sabsy" <sa...@deletethis.pmail.net> wrote in message
> news:3accc...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> >
> >
> > It is a foreign government, if you need to be reminded.
> > They have a right to carry out their laws as they see fit.
> > We might not agree, but they are an independent state.
>
> I have no problem with them carrying out their laws but the govt. should
at
> least be informed.
The government of Botswana carried out the murder, so they were informed
Errol Back-Cunningham
Don't come and commit violent crimes of murder here.
We make examples of those who do.
Errol
Steve Hayes
>Has anyone noticed that outrages committed by whites against blacks are soon
>followed by arrests, charges, trials and convictions. This applies to
>things like painting people white or silver, down to barbarous acts like
>these savages who tie people to trees, drag them behind pick-up trucks, or
>beat poachers to death.
>
>However, outrages committed by blacks are followed by nothing. Hardly
>anyone gets arrested, there is minimal publicity, and the victim never gets
>his justice. Just occasionally, if the outrage has occurred in the black
>community, the people get out and take care of justice themselves.
No I haven't noticed that - probably because it's not happening the way you
describe it, except in your imagination.
I've noticed that a couple of gangs of armed robbers, most whom I think were
black, recently received hefty sentences for murder committed in the course of
their robberies.
Every day the newspapers here have reports of people being convicted of
violent crimes, and they don't seem to be only white.
If waht you say were true, surely we would not have these problems with
overworked cours and overcrowded jails?
Steve Hayes
http://www.suite101.com/myhome.cfm/methodius
Andrew
>
>
> The government of Botswana carried out the murder, so they were informed
>
But she was an SA citizen, not a Botswanan citizen.
Andrew
sabsy
"Steve Hayes" <khan...@global.co.za> wrote in message
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> >Has anyone noticed that outrages committed by whites against blacks are
soon
> >followed by arrests, charges, trials and convictions. This applies to
> >things like painting people white or silver, down to barbarous acts like
> >these savages who tie people to trees, drag them behind pick-up trucks,
or
> >beat poachers to death.
> >
> >However, outrages committed by blacks are followed by nothing. Hardly
> >anyone gets arrested, there is minimal publicity, and the victim never
gets
> >his justice.
For example?
sabsy
South African citizens are denied certain rights. This should not be
suspended for those who commit murder outside of our borders.
If you commit a crime in another country, and are found guilty in a proper
court of law, then that is all our country should ask for.
They did, and Botswana murdered a white woman.
Frikkie Potgieter
Ek het aandagtig hierdie gesprekke gevolg en dit is vir my interresant hoe
verskillende persone voel en dink.
Annette, jou opmerking is egter vir my die een wat uitstaan bo almal. Ek kan
werklik nie glo wat ek lees dat jy waaragtig so dink nie.
Ek dink elk geval dat indien `n mens dink soos wat jy nou dink jy ALREEDS op
daardie vlak is waarvan jy praat.
My opinie....
Botswana, GELUK met wat julle gedoen het. Die Hof het haar skuldig bevind..
"soos ek verstaan was van die Regters ens. elk geval Suid Afrikaners en dus
nie Bobbejane of ouens met gekoopte grade nie"...
Of sy nou skuldig was aan waarvoor sy aan haar nek gehang het of nie, sy het
gekry waarvoor sy SKULDIG bevind was... einde van SAAK...
Nou, vir die kinders voel ek baie jammer en ja, hulle moet ook in ons Gebede
geken word. Vir die man, sorry pęl, as jy nie rondgefok het nie en jou broek
toegehou het was daar ook NOOIT `n moord nie. Jy self het nog nie losgekom
nie, jy sal nog eendag voor die GROOT Regter moet antwoord???
Reenen, jy is reg, hierdie mense het nog nooit so `n toneel gesien of so `n
boodskap gaan oordra nie. Maak nou nie saak van watter ras of kleur jy praat
nie, al is ek `n voorstaander van Kultuur by Kultuur, ek glo aan eerlikheid
en opregtheid.
Kom ons maak van hierdie geleentheid gebruik en skryf aan die onderstaande
e-pos adresse en sę vir hulle om ons dank uit te spreek. Daar is uiteindelik
`n Land daar buite wat die krimineel, Moordenaar ens. beskou as skuim van
die AARDE en met hulle `n plan maak dat hulle nie vęrder op die burgers se
tax moet vetraak en vertroetel word nie.
Groete
Frikkie
Ps: Natuurlik dink ek dan ook aan `n tweede moontlikheid en dit is dat sy
nooit gehang was nie. Tyd sal leer maar die kanse is goed dat sy moontlik in
die tronk vermoor is of iets anders is aan die konkel, maar dinge word
lekker toegesmeer.
Tweede land wat natuurlik bedank moet word, sommer in dieselfde e-pos is
Namibië en hul President wat MOFFIES verban.
Elke donker wolkie het wraggies ook `n silver randjie.
Annette <ann...@ctnet.co.za> wrote in message
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> Nee. Sy was nie menswaardig behandel nie.
> Maar dit gee ons nog steeds nie die reg om die oortreder nie menswaardig
te
> behandel nie.
> Doen ons dit nie, daal ons af na sy vlak.
> Annette
>
> Reenen van Niekerk wrote in message <3acb7...@news1.mweb.co.za>...
> >Ek stem saam
> >Ek volg tans n saak van nou tannie wat in haar huis aangeval was in Table
> >View.Hulle het eers haar keel probeer afsny maar die mes was te stomp.Toe
> >maak hulle n ketting om haar net vas en sleep haar die huis vol en oefen
> >sokker op haar.
> >
Andrew
>
> "Andrew" <andre...@usa.net> wrote in message
> news:3ace8...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> > "sabsy" <sa...@deletethis.pmail.net> wrote in message
> > news:3ace3...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> > >
> > >
> > > The government of Botswana carried out the murder, so they were
informed
> > >
> >
> > But she was an SA citizen, not a Botswanan citizen.
>
> South African citizens are denied certain rights.
Such as?
.
> If you commit a crime in another country, and are found guilty in a proper
> court of law, then that is all our country should ask for.
> They did, and Botswana murdered a white woman.
I still think the SA consulate sohuld have been notified.
Andrew
Hubertus Hauger
Who does it and what results does this killings have?
Hubertus
ILLYA schrieb:
> Ron McGregor <ron...@iafrica.com> wrote in message
> news:3aca8...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> > Although I would prefer to live in a world without the death penalty, I
> will
> > not take part in any protest against the Botswana government, whose safety
> > record for their citizens in infinitely better than our own.
> >
> > Rather than protest against the execution of a duly convicted murderess,
> > people, and especially those who are supposed to protect our lives and our
> > property in terms of the constitution which they have sworn to uphold and
> > enforce, should concern themselves with the daily slaughter of innocent
> > citizens in SA, especially the elderly and the young. More people are
> > murdered every day in SA than have been executed by Botswana in over 30
> > years of independence.
> >
> > I suppose someone is going to now tell us that the death penalty doesn't
> > work. When comparing Botswana's murder rate with ours, I would suggest
> that
> > it does.
>
> It would surely do a lot of good in stopping the farm murders. - The problem
> is that a number of liberation cronies would end up on death row. The outcry
> about these guys would be as loud as that about Marietta Bosch. Their
> pigmentation would be an issue, just as in the case of Marietta Bosch. The
> bottom line is that we should not allow racial issues to clout effective
> justice
> The number of farmers killed as a land grabbing technique outstrips that of
> Zimbabwe by far, but there is no outcry because the government is not
> overtly involved.
> If the murderers of the farmers were called to account with their own lives
> there would be a much different scenario today.
Hubertus Hauger
Hubertus
Darth Mel schrieb:
> "Garth" <truen...@icon.co.za> wrote in message
> news:3ac9c948...@news.icon.co.za...
> > On Tue, chris wrote:
> > >All those who wish to protest against the manner in which Mariette Bosch
> > >was executed by the Botswana government on Saturday March 31st, 2001 are
> > >requested to send an e-mail to Dail...@gov.bw with a copy to
> > >parli...@gov.bw
> > I don't think you'll find too many here in sympathy with you Chris.
>
> wrong.... i feel that the Botswanans fucked up but good here...
>
> > On a more emotive level, how would you feel if it was your mother that
> > Bosch had gunned down? Somehow I get the feeling that you will try to
> > duck that question.
>
> Bosch's children and Ria's (the murdered woman) children and the husband all
> claimed that Bosch was not responsible...
>
> although her appeal had not succeeded other legal measures and various
> petitions were still pending... her execution was originally scheduled for
> May... Bosch's lawyers were not even informed of their intention to execute
> their client... nor was her family... no international witnesses were
> present at the execution... for all we know she has been sold into slvery
> instead of killed.... we only have the word of the Botswana government that
> she was actually killed... this is a procedural error...
>
> the botswanans admit that they killed her in secrecy because of the
> controversy surrounding this case... so they just wanted to kill her and
> fuck the rest...
>
> the manner in which she was railroaded to her death is extremely
> suspicious...
>
> btw some aspects of her case...
> she apparently scaled a 2m wall to enter the house of her friend Ria where
> she supposedly gunned her down in the passageway.... now a 2m wall is hard
> to climb, even for a man... and why bother? it's easier to simply knock on
> the door and stroll in... pick your moment and shoot her... then break some
> windows to make it look like an intruder did it...
>
> this is what the prosecution claimed happened... it would not fly with
> me.... but it seems that all the courts of botswana swallowed it... and then
> they killed her as fast as possible and in secrecy...
>
> even if you do support the death penalty, the circumstances surrounding
> Bosch's trial and execution should cause you to pause... it seems to me that
> for a lot of people who support the death penalty they exhibit a knee-jerk
> reaction... which is if the court finds a person guilty then they must be...
> but each case needs to be assessed on its own merit... i don't hold courts
> as infallibly correct... often they make grave errors...
>
> like for example the posting of sabsy's about the bus driver... he pressed
> the wrong pedal and drove a bus off the road... i have pressed the wrong
> pedal in a car... fortunately it has not resulted in an accident...
>
> i feel that the magistrate, dries lamprecht, is a fucking arsehole... there
> is something wrong with his mind to sentence a bus driver to 6 years in
> prison... he must just hate blacks to hand down such a sentence... it would
> be interesting to investigate his life and discover why it is that he acted
> this way... and then sentence him to 1000 years in jail because we don't
> like him...
>
> so the point is that courts err... and that is why, even if you do have a
> death penalty, time must be taken to assure that it is the correct
> sentence...
sabsy
South African citizens are denied certain rights. This should not be
suspended for those who commit murder outside of our borders.
sabsy
> > South African citizens are denied certain rights.
>
> Such as?
Freedom of movement, asscociation, etc.
> .
> > If you commit a crime in another country, and are found guilty in a
proper
> > court of law, then that is all our country should ask for.
> > They did, and Botswana murdered a white woman.
>
> I still think the SA consulate sohuld have been notified.
I do not believe they needed to be.
Andrew
>
> "Andrew" <andre...@usa.net> wrote in message
> news:3acf3...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> > > South African citizens are denied certain rights.
> >
> > Such as?
>
> Freedom of movement, asscociation, etc.
>
In Botswana?
Andrew
Darth Mel
> Andrew <andre...@usa.net> wrote > "Ron McGregor" <ron...@iafrica.com>
> wrote in message
> > > I think the manner in which it took place was exemplary.
> > Why? Her family wasn't even notified it was taking place.
> What's that got to do with it? The death penalty is supposed to be a
> PUNISHMENT, damn it. People who kill need to be punished, and in such a
> manner that their punishment serves as a deterrent to others. This means
> that from the moment the guilty verdict has been confirmed, they should
> cease to exist.
in a perfect judicial system guilt or innocence would be 100% known... some
cases are clearer than others...
anyway the president of botswana (festus mogae) agrees with you... he is a
self-confessed retributionist... which i would say is a fair discrimination
of your approach...
> The fact that this debate is now taking place indicates that for the first
> time in a long time, people have actually taken some note of a sentence
> being carried out. Compare this, for example, with the complete lack of
> reaction from society when some armed robber or serial killer or gang
rapist
> or child murderer is sentenced to 47 and a half life sentences.
> Nobody notices, nobody cares, nobody is deterred, and the crimes go on.
personally i think someone else said it best when they divided crimes into
pre-meditated and crimes of passion... those who plan do not intend getting
caught... so they take pains to ensure that that does not happen...
including take the decision to kill any and all witnesses... thus a
mandatory death sentence on certain types of crime inspires the perpetrators
thereof to in fact take further lives...
eg. placing a mandatory death sentence on rape would likely lead to many
more rape victims not surviving...
those who commit crimes of passion do so with diminished control of their
actions and therefore again sentence does not serve to deter them...
so is it any wonder that sentences do not seem to be very effective as
deterrants???
> The government of Botswana should be complemented for reminding us all
that
> murder is a crime.
i think we are all aware that it is not desireable...
Darth Mel
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:04:46 GMT, truen...@icon.co.za (Garth) wrote:
> >On Tue, chris wrote:
> >>All those who wish to protest against the manner in which Mariette Bosch
> >>was executed by the Botswana government on Saturday March 31st, 2001 are
> >>requested to send an e-mail to Dail...@gov.bw with a copy to
> >>parli...@gov.bw
> >I don't think you'll find too many here in sympathy with you Chris.
> >Bosch had gunned down? Somehow I get the feeling that you will try to
> >duck that question.
> You know whose side has been ignored in all this?
> The media's.
> This case shows how they've been made to suffer since South Africa
abolished
> the death penalty.
> Haven't they just lapped it up like a thirsty dog at a water bowl on a hot
> day?
> Think of the poor media, being deprived of a good hanging for so long!
There's
> nothing like a good hanging to boost the circulation.
> I suggest a limited reintroduction of the death penalty, in the intrests
of
> media fairness.
> We mustn't go back to the good old days of the PW Botha regime, where
hangings
> were two a penny, and got a couple of column centimetres at the bottom of
page
> 5. No, they should be regulated, like the diamond trade, if they are to
keep
> their value.
> I suggest that there should be one every 2 years or so, and strictly
> regulated. There should be no rifraff like armed robbers, farmers who
shoot
> their workers, workers who shoot their farmers, Pagad pampoene, taxi
> hitpersons, pushers bumped off by rivals, or any boring rabble of that
sort.
> No, the protagonist must be female and preferably rich, or at least
married to
> someone rich. This is important for all the photos of the house, the
gates,
> the cars in the driveway, etc There must be enough opportunities for the
subs
> to use the word "luxury" in their headlines. And there must be an eternal
> triangle. She must kill her husband, or her lover's wife.
> And spreading it out over 18 months to 2 years should be just right, to
cover
> the murder, the investigation, the trial, the appeal, the plea for
clemency
> and the hanging itself.
> And then a moratorium of 3 months before the next murder begins.
> Isn't that what a free press is for?
you are a very sick man.... heh :-)
sabsy
South African citizens in South African jails
Andrew
>
>
> South African citizens in South African jails
>
>
Why aren't they allowed freedom of association?
Andrew
Boeta
sabsy
Because they are in jail.
They can only associate with whom the state decides.
If they wanted to join a rugby team, they cannot
Reenen van Niekerk
They are punished.It is not supposed to be a 5 star hotel
Reenen van Niekerk
sabsy <sa...@deletethis.pmail.net> wrote in message
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Andrew
>
> Because they are in jail.
> They can only associate with whom the state decides.
> If they wanted to join a rugby team, they cannot
>
>
I thought you meant in terms of political parties, trade unions etc.
Andrew
goose
<whew>
what a barrage of stupidity and utter fucking dumbness prevails ...
is THAT the message you are getting ?
i've read every post up to this point, and i am still mindfucked by
the number of stupid people who post usenet ... and yet not a single flame ...
(why ???)
to all those weaned-too-early dumbfucks who knee-jerk to the "SHE COMMITTED
MURDER - SHE MUST BE KILLED" and form a lynch mob (in *this* day and age?)
i would like to point out that most of the atrocities committed in the
last few hundred years, were committed by jackasses like you
(maybe there is something to reincarnation after all). YES
it was ppl
like you who served hitler and gassed the jews 'cos they were told
that "the jews are our enemies", "the jew, if left unchecked, will steal
our future", and other such rubbish.
it was people like you who condemmed "heretics" and "witches" and burned
them at the stake (it was only in 1994, 150-odd years after galileo was
executed, that the vatican finally admitted that galileo may have been right -
the world could just be _flat_).
and it *is* ppl like you who will allow a *govt* execution to take place
without the relavant ppl being informed.
*think* *about* *that* *with* *your* *single* *FUCKING* *brain* *cell*.
there ... better now ???
FACT 1. the govt had found her guilty.
FACT 2. legal procedings were still underway (yes, you pussified arsehole, that means that an execution COULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE YET !!!! - we do not burn
witches at the stake anymore - we have to wait until they have been given
a fair chance to defend themselves - AND THAT MEANS LEGAL PROCEDINGS to all those coward sobs out there in that lynch mob)
FACT 3. the govt executed here b4 the legalities were over (read the above FACT
and comment again pls - i'm getting kinda tired reminding you ppl of your
total lack of logic and reason)
and all these facts add up to (insert drumroll here) - she was murdered ... not "executed" or "sentenced" as a responsible govt might do - no ... she was murdered.
now i'm going to say it one more time, so stop chewing your gum and listen up (or are you able to do both at the same time ????? from the posts that i have seen, i would think not).
*SHE* *WAS* *MURDERED*
IF all the legalities were over, then (and only then) would she have been executed BUT
she still had a chance ...
now i know that there are going to be responses to this from the brained-starved masses out there (having been on usenet since 1991 has it's advantages), so i
decided to post the responses i expect (the more obvious ones) and my responses to them - please dont get offended by any of my responses UNLESS you were going to respond to this post with the response i've expected :::::
a few answers to some of the more stupid responses (yes - i know that ALL responses are going to be stupid - just thought i'll answer the more obvious ones here first)
1. here's the msg from bots: don't come and commit violent crimes here - we make examples of those who do.
<my response>
the actual msg is: we DESPERATELY want sanctions - and we'll keep murdering foreigners until we get it, we also have no legal system to speak of, just a bunch of ppl who get together everyone now and again (and share a single brain among them) to decide who dies.
2. "those who live by the sword, dies by the sword"
<my response>
so u're probably going to die from stupidity ??? give me a break, we have a legal system for a reason, let's use it BEFORE carrying out the sentence, not after ??? i'm sure that we have progressed from the middle ages ...
3. "she never informed the ppl she killed that they were going to die"
<my response>
u got me there ... how did i miss that tiny detail ??? (absolute dickwad!!!). no - u r right - she didn't, but she is(was) a murderer, not (as someone put it earlier) "an elected govt". if the police received a tip-off about you doing some heinous crime, and arrested you, put you on trial, then told you family that the trial still continues while muffeling the gunshots from your execution, your family would not be 2 thrilled (however considering the depths (or rather lack of) your intelligence, i would
not be too surprised to find that no one cares). if the tip-off later proved to be false, and you *were* supposed to be free, your family wuold sue the govt (sa) - but it would be too late as you would already be (u guessed it) DEAD. the only disadvantage here is that you cannot sue a govt as irresponsible as bots ... what would u get out of it (more debt ???). i suppose you stil think that a responsible govt. should not inform the immed. family of a death sentence recipient that he/she is about to be kil
led ??? (come on, use that single brain cell of yours)
4. "she deserved to die"
<my response>
maybe (i'm not qualified to comment on whether or not she was guilty) - but why punish her family members as well - it is they who are hurting 'cos she was
MURDERED without them knowing about it. would u like your family members to be punished for something you did (maybe u are that callous ??)
5. "the victims family was punished by losing the victim ..."
<my response>
u really are thick, aren't you ??? read the above two points but *do* *it* *very* *slowly* ...
6. <any racial insinuation - whites>
<my response>
fuck off, you closeted KKK homosexual cunt - your mother nor anyone else never loved you (except your father ...) - stop whining 'bout how the whities are having a hard time ... ALL folks are having it hard now (bet u still get it from your dad, tho')
7. <any racial insinuation - blacks>
stop using that line, u lazy bastard, and try to come with a fucking reasonable response - i, and everyone else, is not going to be bowing down to YOUR fuckingfeet 'cos some arsehole 2 generations back insulted/stole from/hurt/killed/whatever your great-great-granddaddy. I DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO YOU, so keep the guilt trip of my shoulders - i won't be feeling it.
8. "you make no sense at all"
<my response>
in addition to writing a very poor response, can you actually read more than 3 words at a time ???? - re-read the original post (you may even ignore all the bad language) and you will find, amidst the foul language and general flaming, that i make perfect sense (how many degree's do you have ???? any in english AND science ??? thought not - pick someone else to fuck with ... i'm already above you)
9. <any personal remark/insult about me, my upbringing, or my immed. family>
<my response>
when the molten lava that was the foetus you were tore itself from that bitch
that was your mother, and you were born, the gods cursed and the devil wept with joy, for he knew that only a person of unnaturally low intelligence was needed to cause trouble in the world such as you intend to, was born. the bastard of a father that you never met or knew (did your mother even know who your father was??) would probably sire a lot more sub-standard offspring with a lot more whores, but you will always be the only one to plummet to such depths of dumbness that even the english language has
not the words to describe it. room temperature (in celcius) is higher than your IQ. your single brain cell has not even, as yet, matured to produce to full length of rubbish that you are capable of generating, but the potential for greatness among stupidity that you already show far outruns any ever seen b4, and probably all the bullshit in the world ever.
(if u can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porche) ...
after all is said and done, a govt execution has to be done in a more or less transperant manner - secret killings are for the gestapo and the kgb - we cannot condone them, ever ... or else nazi-like "interrogations" may just find a place
in society, and no sane person wants that ... thats just the way it is ...
wait until you are SURE before executing someone - 'cos if u r wrong, u aint
going to be reversing that decision, ever ...
now which one of you shit-for-brains kkk wannabe's STILL want to form a lynch
mob ????
thought so - i was never the persuasive type ... <g>
btw:
"it's been said that the whole concept behind usenet is the 'co-operative' way.
having been using usenet for some time now, and having taken part in much of
the posts, i have to disagree. the basic underlying concept of usenet is the
flame ..." -
goodbye all - mail me at lk...@webmail.co.za if you feel that you want to put
foward a reasonable argument (as opposed to merely just going on about
retribution) - or just followup this post - i'll check back here once a day -
all flames will be redirected to /dev/null
Errol Back-Cunningham
>
> In za.misc Errol Back-Cunningham <e...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Here's the message from Botswana:
> > Don't come and commit violent crimes of murder here.
> > We make examples of those who do.
> >
> > Errol
>
> <whew>
>
> what a barrage of stupidity and utter fucking dumbness prevails ...
>
> is THAT the message you are getting ?
Sure. Which piece didn't you understand?
>
> i've read every post up to this point, and i am still mindfucked by
> the number of stupid people who post usenet ... and yet not a single flame ...
> (why ???)
Botswana has the death penalty for murder. It's rarely exercised because
there are few that are pre-meditated and in cold blood.
What should we flame them for? Having the death
penalty? Carrying it out? Be specific.
> to all those weaned-too-early dumbfucks who knee-jerk to the "SHE COMMITTED
> MURDER - SHE MUST BE KILLED" and form a lynch mob (in *this* day and age?)
> i would like to point out that most of the atrocities committed in the
> last few hundred years, were committed by jackasses like you
Since you are responding to my post in which I merely interpreted
the message from Botswana, I assume you mean that I subscribe to the
point of view you suggest. A) I think you should stick to non-narcotic
substances, B) You should read it again, because I don't think
I offered my own point of view at all.
[exceedingly long, drool-splattered, diatribe snip]
Errol