DUTCH AFRIKKAN
ThotmesIII
Now that's a name you could use that would tell your true history there in
South Africa. It implies the people who call themselves "Afrikanners"
immigrants from Holland who are actually DUTCH yet native Africans. You
Afrikkaners are too PROUD (and I don't know why) to call yourselves
"African" since many of you are born there and live there.
European Americans are so arrogant they want African Americans to simply
call themselves "American" when in fact most of us prefer to call
ourselves AFRICAN American. Besides our physical likeness to our native
African brothers, most of us yearn for our African identity. Why would I
want to turn my back on my past when that is the key to my future? AFRICAN
tells of my heritage and lineage. American lets you know that I'm a native
born AMERICAN of African descent.
On the other hand, Afrikkaner tells you nothing, just a made up word that
sounded good to...Jan van Riebeeck? Who knows? One thing is for sure, you
got tired of "Dutch and Boer."
Long Live Africa and Africans...
ThotmesIII
Thotm...@aol.com
KLAASVAKIE
Thotmesiii wrote,
ThotmesIII
Thotm...@aol.com"<<
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All I can say is if you don't know what you talk about, please don't talk.
Afrikaner mean the same as African only in a different language namely
AFRIKAANS. But most of us living in South Africa refer to ourselfs as
South African or Suid Afrikaner.
JHV
Koos
On 9 May 1997 01:53:08 GMT, thotm...@aol.com (ThotmesIII) wrote:
<< most of us yearn for our African identity. >>
Yeah, well, we have it, heh?
(And why do we have it and you not?
Because we live and die here in this place.
When I walk out of my house I step on the soil of Afrika. I can bend
down and pick it up in my hand.
I know these mountains.
The sky is in my dreams.
Not in yours.
I am an African.
You not.)
Wen
In article <19970509015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
thotm...@aol.com (ThotmesIII) wrote:
>Now that's a name you could use that would tell your true history there in
>South Africa. It implies the people who call themselves "Afrikanners"
>immigrants from Holland who are actually DUTCH yet native Africans. You
>Afrikkaners are too PROUD (and I don't know why) to call yourselves
>"African" since many of you are born there and live there.
You're misinformed. SOME white people who live in South Africa are from Dutch
descent. Many are from British descent. Many are from French descent. Many
are from Portuguese descent. Many are from German descent. Many Afrikaans
surnames are French, viz. Du Preez, Du Toit, De Villiers and so on. Many
other surnames have been adapted from the original European languages so
that the origin is now uncertain. These surnames aren't found in Europe.
Most white Afrikaner people are probably descended from a combination of
all these European nations today. We cannot say we are only Dutch, or
German, or whatever. Maybe you haven't yet reached the part in your history
book that deals with the French Huegenots, the 1820 settlers etc., or are
you simply ignoring that history because it doesn't support your inane
remarks?
Afrikaans, the language of a large part of the South African population,
whilst it has much in common with Dutch, is today actually closer to Flemish
than Dutch. Obviously Dutch is its main origin, but so many words have been
inherited from other languages, or have been created spontaneously, that it is
no forgone conclusion that Dutch speakers and Afrikaans speakers can
communicate freely. This is clear from the many Dutch (European) contributors
and readers we have in this news group; whilst they can follow the thread of
most of what is said, they cannot understand everything.
You are also ignoring the fact that there are many people in South Africa
who have Afrikaans as their first language who are not of direct European
origin. Some are of mixed European/African descent, whilst some are native
black Africans who have adopted Afrikaans as their first language.
Finally, we are not too PROUD to call ourselves 'African'. You on the other
hand, are too ignorant to know that 'African' is EXACTLY what Afrikaner
means. Maybe you should ASK before you make your prejudiced remarks.
>
>European Americans are so arrogant they want African Americans to simply
>call themselves "American" when in fact most of us prefer to call
>ourselves AFRICAN American.
You can call yourself whatever you like. Incidentally, the Afrikaans word
Bantoe is derived from a native African word that simply means 'people'. That
is still what black people call themselves in African languages. You are
using English terms that are not widely used by your 'African brothers'.
And that, of course, is referring only to the black nations that live here in
the southern-most tip of Africa. I doubt very many black Americans are
descended from the tribes that occur here. I may be wrong, but I think your
lineage is more central-west African.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but South Africa has eleven official
languages, only two of which are of European or part European origin. Within
relatively close proximity there are black tribes in South Africa who cannot
communicate in each others languages. In cities the languages used in business
are mainly English and Afrikaans, but in the rural areas which makes up the
vast majority of our country and where most people live, the native African
tongues are used by black and white people alike in communication.
> Besides our physical likeness to our native
>African brothers, most of us yearn for our African identity. Why would I
>want to turn my back on my past when that is the key to my future? AFRICAN
>tells of my heritage and lineage. American lets you know that I'm a native
>born AMERICAN of African descent.
Why do you stay there then? Trace your roots and go home. No-one is stopping
you. Does it maybe have something to do with the fact that so many African
countries under black governments are impoverished/at war/under dictatorship/
under one party communist rule/generally in chaos?
Instead of writing to us who live and were born in Africa, I think you should
either take up your squabbles with your fellow Americans, or you should come
here and smell the roses.
Contrary to what you may think, Africa is not a romantic place where people
live and have lived in harmony with nature and their fellowman for centuries.
Those African nations that you referred to that came to Southern Africa
long before European settlers didn't walk into virgin unoccupied land. They
simply drove off and murdered the earlier inhabitants and moved in. Like the
Europeans did when they got here in their turn. Like countless other settler
nations did in other parts of the world. Like you, I think few of us today
can understand that lust for land and power with no regard for other people,
but that was the time they lived in. Africans drove out Hottentots and San
people and other Africans, and they in turn were driven out by Europeans.
Also, do not think that all the people of different black South African
tribes live together in harmony as 'brothers'. I have risked my life more
than once to intervene in black on black RACIAL incidents.
Unlike you, many black people in South Africa acknowledge that they benefited
much from the arrival of Europeans in this part of Africa. Bishop Desmond Tutu
just recently expressed his thanks for Europeans bringing Christianity to
these
parts of the world. Don't forget that Africans, just a few centuries ago,
had no written language, no defence against disease, or drought, or floods,
or any of the many other difficulties this subcontinent has to offer. For
pete's
sake, they didn't even use the wheel!
I know that some anthropologists ascribe this to the fact that they didn't
NEED the wheel, but come on!, why is it used here today then if there is
no use for it here? It was used millennia ago in terrain just as inhospitable
as here, if not more so, by European nations. If they encountered a place
where the wheel couldn't go, the ancient Romans built roads! To say that the
use of the wheel is not of benefit to people is simple foolishness. Yet, as
I have said, it took European settlers to introduce it to Southern Africa ...
>
>On the other hand, Afrikkaner tells you nothing, just a made up word that
>sounded good to...Jan van Riebeeck? Who knows? One thing is for sure, you
>got tired of "Dutch and Boer."
Maybe the word Afrikaner tells you nothing. Speak for yourself. To me it
tells of a people born and bred in Africa. Sure, of European descent, but
not necessarily of Dutch origin.
To call ourselves Dutch would not be accurate. As for the word Boer ... who
says we're tired of it? You? The word Boer simply means 'farmer'. I for one
have no problem with being called a farmer. What you may not know
is that there are certain minority fringe groups who have adopted the name
'Boer' to refer to themselves, and maybe the majority of Afrikaners are
simply hesitant to use this name so as not to be associated with these
radicals. Also, the name Boer dates from a time when most Afrikaner people
WERE farmers. Today this is not the case anymore. Why would a banker call
himself a farmer? But as for growing tired of it ... again you are very
misinformed.
The Zulu word for Afrikaners (amaBunu) is derived from the word 'Boer'. That
is how we are referred to by Zulu speaking people and how we refer to
ourselves in the Zulu language. Surprise!
For all your ramblings, Thotmes III, a number things are crystal clear:
- you are angry at someone and you have chosen this group as the place to
vent that anger. I think this is infantile
- you are a racist of the worst kind and in my opinion America is poorer for
having you as one of its citizens
- you know very little, if nothing, of Africa and its people, except for a
few historical facts that you have picked out from text books
- if you really want to learn about Africa and its people then this news group
is a good place to contribute to, but if you continue with your sweeping
racist remarks then you will benefit nothing from posting here. I think
many people have already stopped reading your postings, because they do
not contribute to the cultural nature of this group. This cultural nature
is clear from the name and there is no excuse for intelligent people to
not understand it. Maybe that is where you are lacking ...
ThotmesIII
Subject: Re: DUTCH AFRIKKAN
From: vi...@iafrica.com (V)
Date: Fri, 09 May 97 08:31:40 GMT
On 5/9/97 3:53AM, in message
<19970509015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
ThotmesIII <thotm...@aol.com> wrote>
>
> Now that's a name you could use that would tell your true history there
in
> South Africa. It implies the people who call themselves "Afrikanners"
> immigrants from Holland who are actually DUTCH yet native Africans.
We've been called worse names before, with as little accuracy.
>
>My statement above applies to all those whose ancestors were the original
people who INVADED South Africa with the cooperation of the Dutch East
India Company...
> , most of us yearn for our African identity.
Pray, be more specific. Exactly _what_ do you yearn for? Or is it just
the romantic fabrication of an over-active imagination? If the yearning
threatens to overcome you, I'm sure someone would find a corner for you in
Soweto, or somewhere else in Africa, huh Thotmes III. I believe you may
have a problem in over-populated Cairo, though, because the people are
spilling over into old graveyards where they use old tombs as squatter
shacks. Romantic, huh?
>
>Can't you read? My statement above says that 'most of us yearn for our
African identity.' Most Africans in America have been brainwashed into
believing that we were everything else under the sun except African. We
have been called Negro, Colored, Afro-American to the right and exact
term--- African American.
> Why would I want to turn my back on my past
You tell me. I'd love to hear why you're living comfortably in the USA.
>
>I'd love to hear why you think I'm living comfortably here in the USA...I
am probably living no different that you, my dear.
> You got tired of Dutch and Boer."
>
Of being mislabelled, you mean? Wouldn't you get tired of being called,
say, Vietnamese? BTW, "Boer" means farmer. If this were fitting in my
case, I would regard myself most fortunate, and not be at all embarrassed
by the term. I am , however, a city-dweller, and cannot , by any flight
of fancy, be a "Boer".
>
>O.K. So "Boer" was the wrong label in the first place, so who screwed up
in the first place? Didn't the people KNOW who they were...in their case,
they should have known. Africans in America don't know because our
ancestors were turned from HUMANS into the white man's SLAVE...so we
didn't know we were actually AFRICAN. You know, the "good ol' white man"
was never honest about these things...
> ThotmesIII
Really? Another misguided label?
>
>No. This is the name the "I" chose, so this name is not another
'misguided' label. My choice! Big difference...
The Egyptians believed their Pharaohs to be incarnations of God himself
...
>
>So you know something about the Egyptians...
Did you know the Egyptians always painted their GODS---BLACK as coal?
Regards,
Cleopatra.
>
>ThotmesIII
>Thotm...@aol.com
ThotmesIII
Subject: Re: DUTCH AFRIKKAN
From: klaas...@aol.com (KLAASVAKIE)
Date: 9 May 1997 03:46:23 GMT
Thotmesiii wrote>>
>>
>>"Now that's a name you could use that would tell your true history there
in South Africa. It implies the people who call themselves "Afrikanners"
immigrants from Holland who are actually DUTCH yet native Africans. You
Afrikkaners are too PROUD (and I don't know why) to call yourselves
"African" since many of you are born there and live there.
European Americans are so arrogant they want African Americans to simply
call themselves "American" when in fact most of us prefer to call
ourselves AFRICAN American. Besides our physical likeness to our native
African brothers, most of us yearn for our African identity. Why would I
want to turn my back on my past when that is the key to my future? AFRICAN
tells of my heritage and lineage. American lets you know that I'm a native
born AMERICAN of African descent.
On the other hand, Afrikkaner tells you nothing, just a made up word that
sounded good to...Jan van Riebeeck? Who knows? One thing is for sure, you
got tired of "Dutch and Boer."
Long Live Africa and Africans...
ThotmesIII
Thotm...@aol.com"<<
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All I can say is if you don't know what you talk about, please don't talk.
Afrikaner mean the same as African only in a different language namely
AFRIKAANS. But most of us living in South Africa refer to ourselfs as
South African or Suid Afrikaner.
JHV
>>
>>All I can say is that I will say what I want to. If you have a problem
with that, when you see my name (ThotmesIII)...DO NOT READ IT! Otherwise,
don't tell me what to say or not to. I'm not your servant...I don't take
orders.
Secondly, I know that AFRIKKANS is a fully fledged language that evolved
from the dialect of the Dutch, their taal. What's your point? I mentioned
a name that would rightly describe WHY and HOW your people ended up in
South Africa...and how you came into the control of the Black peoples
resources...
ThotmesIII
Thotm...@aol.com
Alwyn Nel
In article <19970509015...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
thotm...@aol.com says...
>
>On the other hand, Afrikkaner tells you nothing, just a made up word
that
>sounded good to...Jan van Riebeeck? Who knows? One thing is for sure,
you
>got tired of "Dutch and Boer."
>
Get off our backs you asshole
ThotmesIII
Subject: Re: DUTCH AFRIKKAN
From: a@b.c (Wen)
Date: Fri, 09 May 97 15:30:53 GMT
In article, thotm...@aol.com (ThotmesIII) wrote:
>Now that's a name you could use that would tell your true history there
in
>South Africa. It implies the people who call themselves "Afrikanners"
>immigrants from Holland who are actually DUTCH yet native Africans. You
>Afrikkaners are too PROUD (and I don't know why) to call yourselves
>"African" since many of you are born there and live there.
Wen wrote::
::You're misinformed. SOME white people who live in South Africa are from
Dutch
descent. Many are from British descent. Many are from French descent. Many
are from Portuguese descent. Many are from German descent. Many Afrikaans
surnames are French, viz. Du Preez, Du Toit, De Villiers and so on. Many
other surnames have been adapted from the original European languages so
that the origin is now uncertain.
>>
>>Question: Why are there so many Europeans in South Africa? No matter how
vain you believe yourselves to be the "saviours" to the indigenous
people...what brought you to South Africa? Did the natives ASK you to
come...I think not!
You're right on one thing, I don't know YET the history of the French
Hugenots who came in the 1800's (?)...but I'll soon find out about that
too.
Thank you for the lesson on the language AFRIKKANS.
::You are also ignoring the fact that there are many people in South
Africa
who have Afrikaans as their first language who are not of direct European
origin. Some are of mixed European/African descent, whilst some are native
black Africans who have adopted Afrikaans as their first language.
>>
>>I wasn't ignoring, I simply did not know this. I have no problem with
that because this does not make me stupid as you would like to believe
just because I don't know certain things...
There are many things you don't know as well but does that make you
stupid? I think not...
::Finally, we are not too PROUD to call ourselves 'African'. You on the
other
hand, are too ignorant to know that 'African' is EXACTLY what Afrikaner
means. Maybe you should ASK before you make your prejudiced remarks.
>>
>>Maybe I'll do as I choose to do!! You do not dictate to me SHIT about
what I should or should not do. I'm grown, not your child...
However, if I am in error in my comments than it is very logical that
people who have the ability will come forth and correct my vision (so to
speak) but DO NOT tell me how I should act, plain and simple!
>
>European Americans are so arrogant they want African Americans to simply
>call themselves "American" when in fact most of us prefer to call
>ourselves AFRICAN American.
::You are using English terms that are not widely used by your 'African
brothers'.
And that, of course, is referring only to the black nations that live here
in
the southern-most tip of Africa. I doubt very many black Americans are
descended from the tribes that occur here. I may be wrong, but I think
your
lineage is more central-west African.
>>
>>I am human of African descent. Thanks to the good ol' European
Christian, I don't know EXACTLY where my forefathers are from. Therefore,
looking at life as a HUMAN (first), I believe ALL Africans to be my
brother FIRST before all others. You call me racist, I don't care. Your
thoughts of me or anyone elses, does not matter. I am judged by ONE GOD,
not two or more...
::I don't know if you're aware of this, but South Africa has eleven
official
languages, only two of which are of European or part European origin.
Within
relatively close proximity there are black tribes in South Africa who
cannot
communicate in each others languages.
>>
>>Thank you again for the lesson on language...
> Besides our physical likeness to our native
>African brothers, most of us yearn for our African identity. Why would I
>want to turn my back on my past when that is the key to my future?
::Why do you stay there then? Trace your roots and go home. No-one is
stopping
you. Does it maybe have something to do with the fact that so many African
countries under black governments are impoverished/at war/under
dictatorship/
under one party communist rule/generally in chaos?
>>
>>It is unfortunate that Black countries are as you describe above but
don't act like they reached this state by themselves!! No thanks to
Europeans who have been in the middle of shit every since they left
Europe...is why African countries are at war, under DICTATORSHIP,
generally in chaos...
I could go on about this but I don't want to write a book on this
newsgroup. But you get my point, if not, I'll elaborate some other time.
::Instead of writing to us who live and were born in Africa, I think you
should
either take up your squabbles with your fellow Americans, or you should
come
here and smell the roses.
>>
>>I'll do as I choose, thank you. No further comment on this remark...
Contrary to what you may think, Africa is not a romantic place where
people
live and have lived in harmony with nature and their fellowman for
centuries.
>>
>>Did I say it was?
Those African nations that you referred to that came to Southern Africa
long before European settlers didn't walk into virgin unoccupied land.
They
simply drove off and murdered the earlier inhabitants and moved in.
>>
>>Since you're giving a history lesson here, who were the earlier
inhabitants? I believe you to be wrong on this...but please do tell us all
who they were?
Like the Europeans did when they got here in their turn. Like countless
other settler nations did in other parts of the world. Like you, I think
few of us today
can understand that lust for land and power with no regard for other
people,
but that was the time they lived in. Africans drove out Hottentots and San
people and other Africans, and they in turn were driven out by Europeans.
>>
>>Blah, blah, blah...you are justifying how Europeans have went to other
peoples land and STOLE what they wanted! Don't sugar coat these people by
simply referring to them as "settler nations" dammit cause they were not!
Thieves...is more like it not to mention murderers. Now you tell me what
other people has done this shit? ...you have my blood boiling at this
point.
Also, do not think that all the people of different black South African
tribes live together in harmony as 'brothers'. I have risked my life more
than once to intervene in black on black RACIAL incidents.
>>
>>This IS unfortunate!! Oh how I pray the day our Heavenly Father will
show us the way cause if we can build a pyramid TOGETHER, the sky is the
limit. But it takes UNITY in order to accomplish those feats!!
Unlike you, many black people in South Africa acknowledge that they
benefited
much from the arrival of Europeans in this part of Africa. Bishop Desmond
Tutu
just recently expressed his thanks for Europeans bringing Christianity to
these parts of the world. Don't forget that Africans, just a few centuries
ago,
had no written language, no defence against disease, or drought, or
floods,
or any of the many other difficulties this subcontinent has to offer. For
pete's sake, they didn't even use the wheel!
>>
>>You are misinformed then! Obviously you are skipping over the sequence
of events that have taken place to Africa and Africans. Can you say SLAVE
TRADE?
I am not talking WHEEL here...so your babbling on about that---does not
matter to me right now.
For all your ramblings, Thotmes III, a number things are crystal clear:
- you are angry at someone and you have chosen this group as the place to
vent that anger. I think this is infantile
>>
>>I'm angry all right!! The devil is ruling our world and I'm not having
it. The devil to me is the ruler of confusion. My African brothers and
sisters are confused...not all, but most. I don't care what you think...
- you are a racist of the worst kind and in my opinion America is poorer
for
having you as one of its citizens
>>
>>As if I care about what you think?!? I don't so your opinion DOES NOT
MATTER. :-|
- you know very little, if nothing, of Africa and its people, except for a
few historical facts that you have picked out from text books
>>
>>My. You mention 'historical FACTS' which is why I'm here...
- if you really want to learn about Africa and its people then this news
group
is a good place to contribute to, but if you continue with your sweeping
racist remarks then you will benefit nothing from posting here. I think
many people have already stopped reading your postings, because they do
not contribute to the cultural nature of this group. This cultural
nature
is clear from the name and there is no excuse for intelligent people to
not understand it. Maybe that is where you are lacking ...
>>
>>Listen. I've spent much time reading your BOOK. Not even affected.
Regarding the many who have stopped reading my postings, etc...how would
YOU know? Further, that's their choose...simple! Why are you SO CONCERNED?
Don't be. If you don't like what I have to say, then skip the hell over
mine!!
ThotmesIII
Thotm...@aol.com
Jean Pierre Botha
Hierdie onderwerp , afkomstig van 'n sot , is sekerlik die
belaglikste ooit op hierdie groep.
KLAASVAKIE
Thotmesiii wrote>>
>>
>>"Now that's a name you could use that would tell your true history there
in South Africa. It implies the people who call themselves "Afrikanners"
immigrants from Holland who are actually DUTCH yet native Africans. You
Afrikkaners are too PROUD (and I don't know why) to call yourselves
"African" since many of you are born there and live there.
European Americans are so arrogant they want African Americans to simply
call themselves "American" when in fact most of us prefer to call
ourselves AFRICAN American. Besides our physical likeness to our native
African brothers, most of us yearn for our African identity. Why would I
want to turn my back on my past when that is the key to my future? AFRICAN
tells of my heritage and lineage. American lets you know that I'm a native
born AMERICAN of African descent.
On the other hand, Afrikkaner tells you nothing, just a made up word that
sounded good to...Jan van Riebeeck? Who knows? One thing is for sure, you
got tired of "Dutch and Boer."
Long Live Africa and Africans...
ThotmesIII
Thotm...@aol.com"<<
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All I can say is if you don't know what you talk about, please don't talk.
Afrikaner mean the same as African only in a different language namely
AFRIKAANS. But most of us living in South Africa refer to ourselfs as
South African or Suid Afrikaner.
JHV
>>
>>All I can say is that I will say what I want to. If you have a problem
with that, when you see my name (ThotmesIII)...DO NOT READ IT! Otherwise,
don't tell me what to say or not to. I'm not your servant...I don't take
orders.
Secondly, I know that AFRIKKANS is a fully fledged language that evolved
from the dialect of the Dutch, their taal. What's your point? I mentioned
a name that would rightly describe WHY and HOW your people ended up in
South Africa...and how you came into the control of the Black peoples
resources...
ThotmesIII
Thotm...@aol.com
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My servant can talk as much as they please since they talk sence unlike
you.
And you have to put some more study into the origan of Afrikaans, it
sprang from more than one language including some black languages, and as
for the history of SA your knowledge suck aswell.
JHV
Wen
In article, thotm...@aol.com (ThotmesIII) wrote:
>>Question: Why are there so many Europeans in South Africa? No matter how
>>vain you believe yourselves to be the "saviours" to the indigenous
>>people...what brought you to South Africa? Did the natives ASK you to
>>come...I think not!
You're putting words in my mouth. I never said that I'm a "saviour" to the
indigenous people. As for what brought me here ... I was born here. As for
what brought the European settlers here ... the search for the searoute to
India. Didn't your history book tell you that?
>>Thank you for the lesson on the language AFRIKKANS.
You're welcome. Now for a new lesson: It's A-F-R-I-K-A-A-N-S - two A's ...
not two N's. How many times do you have to read it before you can spell
it?
>>I wasn't ignoring, I simply did not know this. I have no problem with
>>that because this does not make me stupid as you would like to believe
>>just because I don't know certain things...
What makes you stupid is that even though you admit that you do not know
certain things you make generalised comments based on what you believe to
be facts, when all it is is contrived products of your racist mind. Do
you stay up nights to think up this nonsense? You're wasting your time.
>>Maybe I'll do as I choose to do!! You do not dictate to me SHIT about
>>what I should or should not do. I'm grown, not your child...
Oops! Was that a sore point? So sorry ...
>>It is unfortunate that Black countries are as you describe above but
>>don't act like they reached this state by themselves!! No thanks to
>>Europeans who have been in the middle of shit every since they left
>>Europe...is why African countries are at war, under DICTATORSHIP,
>>generally in chaos...
You're wrong. But nothing I'll say will convince you of that, so I won't
even try. Suffice to say that most black countries were in a better
ecomomic, social and moral state when they were not ruled by black
governments. Do some research.
>>Since you're giving a history lesson here, who were the earlier
>>inhabitants? I believe you to be wrong on this...but please do tell us all
>>who they were?
Oh, so your book doesn't start as far back as that? If you had read a bit
further in my posting you'd have seen that the black tribes in Southern
Africa took the land from the San and Hottentot people. There were no
settled black tribes at the Cape of Good Hope. Only San and Hottentots.
These people are now all but extinct. If anyone can have a gripe it's
them because they got it from all sides, black and white alike ...
>>Blah, blah, blah...you are justifying how Europeans have went to other
>>peoples land and STOLE what they wanted! Don't sugar coat these people by
>>simply referring to them as "settler nations" dammit cause they were not!
>>Thieves...is more like it not to mention murderers. Now you tell me what
>>other people has done this shit? ...you have my blood boiling at this
>>point.
No. I'm not justifying how people a few centuries ago 'have went' (sic) and
stole what they wanted. But you choose to ignore that Europeans were not
the only ones who did these things (this sh*t as you call it). Black people
did it too.
>>This IS unfortunate!! Oh how I pray the day our Heavenly Father will
>>show us the way cause if we can build a pyramid TOGETHER, the sky is the
>>limit. But it takes UNITY in order to accomplish those feats!!
Yes. Agreed. Well done! You obviously know nothing about the diversity and
animosity that exists between the black tribes of Africa ... to this very
day. And not only between the tribes, but also between factions within
the tribes. It is evil and leads to much bloodshed that Europeans now and
ages ago had nothing to do with. Not even Nelson Mandela can unite ALL of
them. You see, he's Xhosa and as such is not necessarily accepted by all as
their leader.
>>You are misinformed then! Obviously you are skipping over the sequence
>>of events that have taken place to Africa and Africans. Can you say SLAVE
>>TRADE?
Not at all. I'm not ignoring it. I'm just wondering, when did slavery come
into the conversation. First I've read about it ...
>>I am not talking WHEEL here...so your babbling on about that---does not
>>matter to me right now.
You're quoting history so why can't I?
>>As if I care about what you think?!? I don't so your opinion DOES NOT
>>MATTER. :-|
Only yours does, right? Never mind the facts ... For the maturity of
your reasoning I'd never have guessed that you're grown-up. I'd have
put you somewhere in highschool.
>>Listen. I've spent much time reading your BOOK. Not even affected.
Then you're a slow reader.
>>Regarding the many who have stopped reading my postings, etc...how would
>>YOU know? Further, that's their choose...simple! Why are you SO CONCERNED?
>>Don't be. If you don't like what I have to say, then skip the hell over
>>mine!!
Who's telling whom now what to do? At least be consistant. You started your
posting here by attacking the people of this newsgroup for things that
happened centuries ago. Then you come with this ridiculous notion that we
should call ourselves 'Dutch Afrikkans '. And that based on a load of tripe.
You admit yourself that you do not know all the facts, so why make remarks
like that?
Your reasoning is practically non-existant. All I did was point out to you
how ridiculous such a notion is. If you don't like my point of view, maybe
YOU'RE the one who shouldn't read MY replies. It's tough to be confronted
with the truth, isn't it? I think you'd prefer me not to reply to your posts
because you refuse to accept what I say as being true, but at the same time
you don't have the skill and/or knowledge to offer a counter argument. I'd
have thought you'd be glad for the education, though. On the other hand, of
course you are free to continue with your narrowminded and racist way of
thinking. The choice is yours.
ThotmesIII
>>
>>All I can say is that I will say what I want to. If you have a problem
with that, when you see my name (ThotmesIII)...DO NOT READ IT! Otherwise,
don't tell me what to say or not to. I'm not your servant...I don't take
orders.
Secondly, I know that AFRIKKANS is a fully fledged language that evolved
from the dialect of the Dutch, their taal. What's your point? I mentioned
a name that would rightly describe WHY and HOW your people ended up in
South Africa...and how you came into the control of the Black peoples
resources...
ThotmesIII
Thotm...@aol.com
---------------------------------oOo-------------------------------------
My servant can talk as much as they please since they talk sence unlike
you.
And you have to put some more study into the origan of Afrikaans, it
sprang from more than one language including some black languages, and as
for the history of SA your knowledge suck aswell.
JHV
**
**OK, so Afrikkans is a BASTARD language. OK fine! Let's leave it at that!
If what you say above is true, so is my statement. Please, no flames! I
only assessed what JHV posted...
My knowledge of SA may not be perfect, but I know that I'm not far off.
You may not like the things that I say but that's too bad. Don't read my
posts. Simple.
ThotmesIII
Thotm...@aol.com
ThotmesIII
Thotm...@aol.com
Elmar Deysel
I think you should first learn to spell something before you to try and
talk about it! Afrikaner has only one "K", Poephol!
Personaly, I don't like the word Afrikaner. I don't consider myself as
an Afrikaner, rather as an Afrikaanssprekende (Afrikaansspeaking if you
dont understand...but you're probably one of those who speak Afrikaans
at home but as soon as you leave home you don't understand a word of
it). And I'm damn proud to be Afrikaanssprekend!!
English people "invented" the saying "The pot calling the kettle black"
after looking in the mirror. I don't think the previous government
would have lasted that long if only Afrikaansspeaking people thought it
was a good idea at the time. And I mean, we all had our mistakes.
America had the blacks AND the indians, the English had the Irish, the
Germans had the Jews, etc. In fact, I think it was (and in some other
countries, still is) worst than in SA.
So, before you write something, get the facts and write something
worthwhile!
Bye
Elmar
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ThotmesIII wrote:
> However, if I am in error in my comments than it is very logical that
> people who have the ability will come forth and correct my vision
This seems like a strange viewpoint for someone who lines further
writes:
> >>As if I care about what you think?!? I don't so your opinion DOES
> NOT
> MATTER. :-|
>
> I could go on about this but I don't want to write a book on this
> newsgroup. But you get my point, if not, I'll elaborate some other
> time.
> Dodging your lack of knowledge of the relevant history.
> >>I'll do as I choose, thank you. No further comment on this remark...
Dodging again...
> >>Since you're giving a history lesson here, who were the earlier
> inhabitants? I believe you to be wrong on this...but please do tell us
> all
> who they were?
Get the facts before commenting - see other posts - (San & Hottentot
were here long before Bantus from the north)
> >>Blah, blah, blah...you are justifying how Europeans have went to
> other
> peoples land and STOLE what they wanted! Don't sugar coat these
> people by
> simply referring to them as "settler nations" dammit cause they were
> not!
> Thieves...is more like it not to mention murderers. Now you tell me
> what
> other people has done this shit? ...you have my blood boiling at this
> point.
>
History proves your opinion to be in the great minority. Please read
about the Empires of the Greek, Romans, Egyptians (your fav), Arabs,
Chinese, Japanese, English, French, Russian, Mayan, Inca, Spanish,
Polynesian.....etc,etc.Incidentally - if you are around anthropology
books - look at the theories about how Homo Sapiens became more
prevalent than than Homo Erectus and Habilus.
> You are misinformed then! Obviously you are skipping over the sequence
>
> of events that have taken place to Africa and Africans. Can you say
> SLAVE
> TRADE?
I'm getting repetitive, but please see "History" again for similar
movements of people by Africans.
> >>I'm angry all right!! The devil is ruling our world and I'm not
> having
> it. The devil to me is the ruler of confusion. My African brothers and
>
> sisters are confused...not all, but most. I don't care what you
> think...
>
See my first comment...
> >>My. You mention 'historical FACTS' which is why I'm here...
You clearly have a very limited knowledge of history and and even more
selective way of looking at some facts while ignoring others.
Liefde groete
Mich
"Put not your trust in demons, my child"
- Tomas de Torquemada
Spanish Inquisitor
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> Did you know the Egyptians always painted their GODS---BLACK as coal?
>
No way bro'. Most of the Egyptian gods were half-animals.
(No pun intended.)
They painted the Nubians (their neighbours) black, because that's what
they are.
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Koos wrote:
> Because we live and die here in this place.
> When I walk out of my house I step on the soil of Afrika.
> I can bend
> down and pick it up in my hand.
>
> I know these mountains.
>
> The sky is in my dreams.
>
> Not in yours.
>
> I am an African.
> You not.
Kon dit self nie beter gestel het nie.
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ThotmesIII
Subject: Re: DUTCH AFRIKKAN
From: Elmar Deysel <ede...@goldnet.co.za>
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:27:47 +0200
I think you should first learn to spell something before you to try and
talk about it! Afrikaner has only one "K", Poephol!
**
**I don't think my spelling is as much of a problem as you kindly point
out so much as the message itself. But thanks for clearing the spelling up
for me since others have not. I would like to think that the majority of
folks understood what I was saying...Poephol!!
Personaly, I don't like the word Afrikaner. I don't consider myself as
an Afrikaner, rather as an Afrikaanssprekende (Afrikaansspeaking if you
dont understand...but you're probably one of those who speak Afrikaans
at home but as soon as you leave home you don't understand a word of
it). And I'm damn proud to be Afrikaanssprekend!!
**
**So much for making up your own interpretation. Bravo!!
English people "invented" the saying "The pot calling the kettle black"
after looking in the mirror. I don't think the previous government
would have lasted that long if only Afrikaansspeaking people thought it
was a good idea at the time. And I mean, we all had our mistakes.
America had the blacks AND the indians, the English had the Irish, the
Germans had the Jews, etc. In fact, I think it was (and in some other
countries, still is) worst than in SA.
**
**Even more clearer...the Europeans had everyone on the planet! When you
say 'we all had our mistakes' you are referring to Europeans I hope. After
all, they lead all humans in the destruction of OTHER human beings...
So, before you write something, get the facts and write something
worthwhile!
**
**Is this a command, your highness? :-|
Bye
Elmar
Etienne Marais
>Thotmesiii wrote>>
>>>
>>>"Now that's a name you could use that would tell your true history there
>in South Africa. It implies the people who call themselves "Afrikanners"
>immigrants from Holland who are actually DUTCH yet native Africans. You
>Afrikkaners are too PROUD (and I don't know why) to call yourselves
>"African" since many of you are born there and live there.
I think the problem is that you believe African to mean 'born in Africa'.
African is an identity stemmed from African tribes. Afrikaners are not
that honoured.
In my view:
=========
Suid Afrikaner / South African = ANY Citizen of South Africa
African = Person of African tribal descent, ie Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele etc.
English = English South African, mostly 'British Empire colonial' descent.
German = German speaking South African.
Afrikaner = Person of mainly Dutch/French/German, but also English/Scottish
and Irish descent and less so Italien and other European
descent, who developed a NEW culture and language. Our
ancestors made it most clear that they disassociate
themselves from their Nationality of origin. ie The Dutch
for the uncaring 'government' under 'Here VII' and the
French for being betrayed by France (under Louis IV).
In general, Africans don't identify, (in fact many despise) European culture
and history. I don't know about any Afrikaner who feels that way, it's core
identity,value and culture derives from the roman/germanic archetype which
is extremely different from the African archetype, even after 100's of years.
No one is the better, or to good for the other, and culturual
exchange/integration can and does happen.I am not an African, and I don't
believe that Africans would accept someonewith my values and mindset as
African, it might even be an insult.
And on the following:
>European Americans are so arrogant they want African Americans to simply
>call themselves "American" when in fact most of us prefer to call
>ourselves AFRICAN American. Besides our physical likeness to our native
>African brothers, most of us yearn for our African identity. Why would I
>want to turn my back on my past when that is the key to my future? AFRICAN
>tells of my heritage and lineage. American lets you know that I'm a native
>born AMERICAN of African descent.
EXACTLY demonstrates my point. I don't believe I have to say anything.
>On the other hand, Afrikkaner tells you nothing, just a made up word that
>sounded good to...Jan van Riebeeck? Who knows? One thing is for sure, you
>got tired of "Dutch and Boer."
Only the Dutch considered themselves to be Dutch in the colonial Cape
No german settler/missionary, Scottish/Irish/English or other considered
themsevles to be Dutch, they identified with Afrikaners as they entered
the scene at a point in history when Afrikaners was Afrikaners, not Dutch.
Just about none of the French Huegonots in the time of the Dutch colony
considered themselves to be Dutch. They where forced to use and speak
Dutch, and even forbidden to use French in their Churches. Their longing
for independance began from day 1. They eventually gave up French,
but never really became Dutch but they did become Afrikaners.
The Dutch, which IS the main component of Afrikaner lineage, also quikly
assumed a new identity in SA. When the opressive Union of South
Africa was later established under Britain, there was no Afrikaner who
agreed that only the `original language`, ie Dutch and other European
languages should be used. A new identity and nation was in full-fledged
existance, and it was most definitely not Dutch. The early Dutch farmers
was just as unhappy as the French.
As for Boer, it was something they where proud of, and rightly so.
Today right-wing extrimists and stagnant conservatives call themsevles
Boere, and I believe that they are not even in the least worthy of the label,
as they (together with anti-Afrikaner media) demonised the concept with
their actions and coverage respectively.
>Long Live Africa and Africans...
Do you really believe that ? It's GREAT to know that Africans whish to
maintain their identity and I whish those who do all the luck in the world.
If you truly want to encourage multi-culturealism then you will also fight,
as I do, to create awareness of different cultures and languages, and to
respect ALL of them. The greatest lie of multiculturealism is to be found
in America and urban South Africa, where multiculturual means having
homo/bi/hetero sexual people of different skin colours in the same room
speaking the same language, talking and thinking alike and sharing the
same world views. African culture deserves much more than that, and so
does all others.
>All I can say is if you don't know what you talk about, please don't talk.
>Afrikaner mean the same as African only in a different language namely
>AFRIKAANS. But most of us living in South Africa refer to ourselfs as
>South African or Suid Afrikaner.
South African being a collective term for the DIVERSITY of cultures in SA.
>JHV
>>>
>>>All I can say is that I will say what I want to. If you have a problem
>with that, when you see my name (ThotmesIII)...DO NOT READ IT! Otherwise,
>don't tell me what to say or not to. I'm not your servant...I don't take
>orders.
Well 'ThotmesIII', the person who goes by 'JHV' never implied anything
like that which you are reacting to. People tell others to keep their views
to themselves if they don't know what they are talking about all over the
place, and if someone is not talking sense you would do the same.
>Secondly, I know that AFRIKKANS is a fully fledged language that evolved
>from the dialect of the Dutch, their taal. What's your point? I mentioned
>a name that would rightly describe WHY and HOW your people ended up in
>South Africa...and how you came into the control of the Black peoples
>resources...
What would you suggest ? My forefather, being a French Huegonot most
certainly did not come to South Africa to deprive anyone of anything, and
neither did anyone who joined the Great Trek, independance was their
motivation, not power.
Etienne Marais
bleah
> Suid Afrikaner / South African = ANY Citizen of South Africa
> African = Person of African tribal descent, ie Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele etc.
> English = English South African, mostly 'British Empire colonial' descent.
> German = German speaking South African.
> Afrikaner = Person of mainly Dutch/French/German, but also English/Scottish
> and Irish descent and less so Italien and other European
> descent, who developed a NEW culture and language. Our
> ancestors made it most clear that they disassociate
> themselves from their Nationality of origin. ie The Dutch
> for the uncaring 'government' under 'Here VII' and the
> French for being betrayed by France (under Louis IV).
Funny how you conveniently forget about the AFRICAN ancestors so many
of you afrikaners have. Of course, being racist, many of you don't want
to think about it.
What a pity, because it would have really helped your argument.
You ARE, however, extremely proficient at classifying people. Why
doesn't
that surprise me?
Henri-John Kock
bleah wrote:
> > Suid Afrikaner / South African = ANY Citizen of South Africa
> > African = Person of African tribal descent, ie Xhosa, Zulu,
> Ndebele etc.
>
[snip-snip]
> Funny how you conveniently forget about the AFRICAN ancestors so many
> of you afrikaners have. Of course, being racist, many of you don't
> want
> to think about it.
>
> What a pity, because it would have really helped your argument.
>
> You ARE, however, extremely proficient at classifying people. Why
> doesn't
> that surprise me?
Om nie te praat van die Engelse wat ook gemeng het nie. Een van die
meer bekendes is George Rex wat in Knysna gewoon en geleef het. Hy het
klaarblyklik adelike bloed gehad. Ek ken nie sy geskiedenis nie, dus sal
ek dit waardeer as iemand ons verder kan inlig. Barney Barnato, wat
seker maar Libanees was, maar as Engels geklassifiseer is, het ook met
'n nie-blanke getrou.
Bleah, JY is baie gou om mense as rassiste te brandmerk, en ook baie gou
om te beledig en te verkleineer. Maar dit is mos maar hoe 'n Engelsman
is. Hou sy lyf hoeka opstêrs en dink hy's die kat se snor. Laat my dink,
ek het eenmaal in die poskantoor ingegaan en vir die dametjie agter die
toonbank aangespreek as "Juffroutjie". "I'm not Juffroutjie, I'm Miss !"
snou sy my toe. Toe ek haar vra of sy nou perdemis of beesmis is, wou sy
my nie verder help nie. Die bleddie Engelse. Kom hier in onse land in,
net agter die goud aan.
Sien jy Bleah ? Dis maklik om mense te klassifiseer en te stereotipeer.
Jy is baie goed daarmee. Stel jy nie dalk daarin belang om iets meer
konstruktiefs te sê in hierdie nuusgroep
soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans nie ? Dit sal regtig waardeer word.
Wys ons wat in jou steek.
H-J
--
Regards
H-J
PS: Remove the .nospam from the email address to reply.
Gayla Domke and Johan Hattingh
bleah wrote:
>
> > Suid Afrikaner / South African = ANY Citizen of South Africa
> > African = Person of African tribal descent, ie Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele etc.
> > English = English South African, mostly 'British Empire colonial' descent.
> > German = German speaking South African.
> > Afrikaner = Person of mainly Dutch/French/German, but also English/Scottish
> > and Irish descent and less so Italien and other European
> > descent, who developed a NEW culture and language. Our
> > ancestors made it most clear that they disassociate
> > themselves from their Nationality of origin. ie The Dutch
> > for the uncaring 'government' under 'Here VII' and the
> > French for being betrayed by France (under Louis IV).
>
> of you afrikaners have. Of course, being racist, many of you don't want
> to think about it.
>
> What a pity, because it would have really helped your argument.
>
> You ARE, however, extremely proficient at classifying people. Why
> doesn't
> that surprise me?
email account, and a single message to the postmaster of his
university might lead to a suspension of his account. Of course,
he might be tempted to obtain a private email account to continue
his tirade, but then at least his drivel is for his own account.
At the university where I teach such misuse would not be tolerated.
bleah
Gayla Domke and Johan Hattingh wrote:
>
> bleah wrote:
> >
> > > Suid Afrikaner / South African = ANY Citizen of South Africa
> > > African = Person of African tribal descent, ie Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele etc.
> > > English = English South African, mostly 'British Empire colonial' descent.
> > > German = German speaking South African.
> > > Afrikaner = Person of mainly Dutch/French/German, but also English/Scottish
> > > and Irish descent and less so Italien and other European
> > > descent, who developed a NEW culture and language. Our
> > > ancestors made it most clear that they disassociate
> > > themselves from their Nationality of origin. ie The Dutch
> > > for the uncaring 'government' under 'Here VII' and the
> > > French for being betrayed by France (under Louis IV).
> >
> > of you afrikaners have. Of course, being racist, many of you don't want
> > to think about it.
> >
> > What a pity, because it would have really helped your argument.
> >
> > You ARE, however, extremely proficient at classifying people. Why
> > doesn't
> > that surprise me?
> The writer of this drivel is obviously abusing his university
> email account, and a single message to the postmaster of his
> university might lead to a suspension of his account. Of course,
> he might be tempted to obtain a private email account to continue
> his tirade, but then at least his drivel is for his own account.
> At the university where I teach such misuse would not be tolerated.
Abuse????? Oh you must mean that everything that does not
agree with your point of view is abuse!!! We are not in
pre-1992 South Africa now, and freedom of speech is now
a respected right.
As for sending an email to my postmaster, go for it. It may
result in a letter to YOUR postmaster, for harassment.
Jonnie
In article <3389ACA3...@tonys.ecology.umn.edu>,
bleah <bl...@tonys.ecology.umn.edu> wrote:
>
>Abuse????? Oh you must mean that everything that does not
>agree with your point of view is abuse!!! We are not in
>pre-1992 South Africa now, and freedom of speech is now
>a respected right.
>
Freedom of speech is protected by the constitution yes. Hate speech, like
yours, is specifically forbidden by the same constitution. Go read it
again, idiot, or is it to much for your kind to grasp.
--
Jonnie
Mike
bleah <bl...@tonys.ecology.umn.edu> wrote:
>> Suid Afrikaner / South African = ANY Citizen of South Africa
>> African = Person of African tribal descent, ie Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele etc.
>> English = English South African, mostly 'British Empire colonial' descent.
>> German = German speaking South African.
>> Afrikaner = Person of mainly Dutch/French/German, but also English/Scottish
>> and Irish descent and less so Italien and other European
<snip>
>Funny how you conveniently forget about the AFRICAN ancestors so many
>of you afrikaners have. Of course, being racist, many of you don't want
>to think about it.
Ahh well, you English part of population just didn't fuck 90% of
africa, oppressed the population and then claim you are not
resonsible or don't know what you have done.
I may be a racist. As you claim. So, JUST becoz I am Afrikaans = I am
a racist. Which means ALL germans in WW2 were Nazi = all German
citizens after WW2 are still assholes and racists.
Which means if you are black, you are a barbaric asshole who just want
to steal, rob and kill. And to bloody lazy to work coz everyting blax
does is a srew up.
The above argument implies, that being Afrikaans I am a racist? Then
if I am, then my arguments about blacks are true. Its moronic stupid
and totally dumb to classify ALL afrikaans people as racist. Now, what
if I am Afrikaans but I care a lot about my "black brothers". Huh?
Duffo!!?!! What if I see a poor black man, hungry and without work
fork out a few bux so he can buy himslef food. I am still aracist I
suppose. Yes??!!?
Excuse me but you should get your facts right before making ant
accusations. Please clarify.
Its people like YOU who make people like ME (who want to help blacks)
feel why the fuck should I help blacks? I feel its my duty as
afrikaans speaking person to help in whatever small way for the
mistakes of the past but duffos like you... geeezzzz??!!!?
>What a pity, because it would have really helped your argument.
>You ARE, however, extremely proficient at classifying people. Why
>doesn't
>that surprise me?
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Mike Erasmus
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bleah <bl...@tonys.ecology.umn.edu> wrote:
>> Suid Afrikaner / South African = ANY Citizen of South Africa
>> African = Person of African tribal descent, ie Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele etc.
>> English = English South African, mostly 'British Empire colonial' descent.
>> German = German speaking South African.
>> Afrikaner = Person of mainly Dutch/French/German, but also English/Scottish
>> and Irish descent and less so Italien and other European
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>Funny how you conveniently forget about the AFRICAN ancestors so many
>of you afrikaners have. Of course, being racist, many of you don't want
>to think about it.
Ahh well, you English part of population just didn't fuck 90% of
africa, oppressed the population and then claim you are not
resonsible or don't know what you have done.
I may be a racist. As you claim. So, JUST becoz I am Afrikaans = I am
a racist. Which means ALL germans in WW2 were Nazi = all German
citizens after WW2 are still assholes and racists.
Which means if you are black, you are a barbaric asshole who just want
to steal, rob and kill. And to bloody lazy to work coz everyting blax
does is a srew up.
The above argument implies, that being Afrikaans I am a racist? Then
if I am, then my arguments about blacks are true. Its moronic stupid
and totally dumb to classify ALL afrikaans people as racist. Now, what
if I am Afrikaans but I care a lot about my "black brothers". Huh?
Duffo!!?!! What if I see a poor black man, hungry and without work
fork out a few bux so he can buy himslef food. I am still aracist I
suppose. Yes??!!?
Its people like YOU who make people like ME (who want to help blacks)
feel why the fuck should I help blacks? I feel its my duty as
afrikaans speaking person to help in whatever small way for the
mistakes of the past but duffos like you... geeezzzz??!!!?
Excuse me but you should get your facts right before making any
accusations.
Am I a racist. yes or No?