OGADENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahmed Ali
Ogadenia is a very large district in Eastern Ethiopia inhabited by Somali
Ethnics. The present EPRDf government is continueing as usual to dominate
it by use of armed force and treat no different from its predecessors,
the past Ethiopian despotic government. In fact, EPRDF is using
unrstrained violence, worse than them all.
The Abyssinian imperialist colonisers annexed the Ogadenia region with
the help of government of Britian and governed the people with unreigned
oppression and terror. It was because of the everliving and vigarous
anticolonialism resistence from that has never been extinct from the
hearts of freedom loving people of Ogadenia. The struggle for
independence and self determination went on. Therefore, the Ogaden region
remained only an isolated military zone established by imperialist Ethiopia.
Since Ogadenia kept on maintaining a steady liberation resistence front
against the Amhara colonisers coldblood murder and espionage were waged
against the peaceful civilians and suspects. Imprisonment, torture,
extrajudicail execution and genocide were mercilessly carried on suspects
of leaders and civilians by the ethiopian government. Example of such
events are; the upprising which went on 1960-64 and the war of 1976-78.
And yet, 1991 the EPRDF/Tigrie in cooperation with the EPLF overthrew
dictator Mingistu's regime and dictator took flee to Zimbabwe, the
resistence of the Ogaden national Liberation front took an active fights
with all its might for liberation of the region. But Meles Zenawi leading
EPRDF/Tigrie warfare confronted Ogadenians Movement still relentlesly and
waging its agression, putting to jails memebers of ONLF and acts further,
inorder to suppress its struggles toward self determination. In this
process, the Ethiopian government has appointed Dr. Abdulmajiid as a
minister, who doesnot represent the somali people in the region.
Consequently the people of Ogadenia reject all and every organization
prepared and formulated by Meles and his Tigrie thugs. The true phase of
what is going on in Ogadenia is that the region has totaly boycotted all
EPRFDF's election program of May 7, 1995. What the EPRDF/Tigrie calls
democratization process is unacceptable by the Somali people. Moreover,
its false propoganda warfare will never stop the struggle of Ogadenia
toward its sovereignity and self determination.
Freedom Ogadenia.
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Ahmed Ali
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195...@ica.net
I thought the name has been changed!!!maybe someone have to remind you
that..
S0F4000
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1.Ogadenia is a very large district in Eastern Ethiopia inhabited by li
>Somali Ethnics. te
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2. Example of such
>events are; the upprising which went on 1960-64 and the war of 1976-78.
>
3.EPRDF/Tigrie warfare confronted Ogadenians Movement still relentlesly nd
>waging its agression, putting to jails memebers of ONLF and acts further,
>inorder to suppress its struggles toward self determination. In this
>process, the Ethiopian government has appointed Dr. Abdulmajiid as a
>minister, who doesnot represent the somali people in the region.
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1.The region is known as Kilil 5 it is inhabited by somalis not Ogadenis
only. Why is only that Ogadenis are suffering? is it because Afweyne
is not there any more?
2. There was no civilian uprising in your Ogadenia. In both dates you
refered the Somali government waged an illigal war against a neighbourin
-g country.
3. Dr. Abdulmajid is elected by the Somali people in Kilil 5, true not
the Ogadeni clan.
4. While Somali people were fighting their rights within Ethiopia, the
the Ogadeni militias joined HANGASH, DHABAR JEBINTA in Somalia to
massacre innocent people in Somaliland. If oppression and genocide
are that painful don't you think it is true also for the people you
have indiscriminately massacred.
Awo
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>Freedom Ogadenia.
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>Ahmed Ali
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MR AH ABDULLAHI
In article <4qersp$3...@master.ftn.net> 195...@ica.net writes:
>From: 195...@ica.net
>Subject: Re: OGADENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Date: 21 Jun 1996 19:07:05 GMT
>I thought the name has been changed!!!maybe someone have to remind you
>that..
Oohh yes,it might be changed by an oppressor but it will remain OGADENIA Now
and in the future.Unless ofcourse you have something to gain by its demise
which is a wishfull thinking anyway.
Abdirashid.
William Briesemaster
Kinda funny how a country who cant feed itself, whose gross per
capital income _MIGHT_ get you a hot dog and a coke somewhere less than
respectable, and who spend what little income they have on khat, would
rather spend all day long chewing khat and killing each other rather than
working together and trying to re-build their once great land.
Just an observation.
No I'm not picking on these people, just noting that all the
countries, sitting on their asses, bitching about human rights, but none
of them really do anything about it, besides killing their fellow man.
================= *// Al Bundy for President in 96! \\* ===============
I once thought married with children was the most idiotic thing ever
broadcast, but of course that was before I got married myself.
Khaliif Waylac
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>1.The region is known as Kilil 5 it is inhabited by somalis not Ogadenis
>only.
True, the region is inhabited by somalis including the Ogadens of course.
KILIL 5 is a number not a name brother, can't you find any other name?
Since Ogadenia is an insult to the non-Ogadens and westren Somalia is insult to
the ogadens, why not go forward and invent new names such as Carro-Doqon,
Daabad-land, etc..........
> Why is only that Ogadenis are suffering? is it because Afweyne
>is not there any more?
>
Since there is suffering why does it matter to you who is suffering?!!!!
Besides who told you that only the Ogadens suffer in W. somalia?
It is not that far when the Tigreans attacked "Habar-jeclo" thinking they were
Al-itixaad, and what about the muslims in Darroor who are told to lower their
aadaan, and the women who are told to take off their Hijaab? perhabs this is
not suffering to you!
Do you know that the head of the Issa delegation to Jigjiga was imprisoned
simply because he walked out of the confrence.
Did you hear about the ten businessmen killed in Qabri-bayax without any
reason? just to show the people what the tigreans are capable of.
>3. Dr. Abdulmajid is elected by the Somali people in Kilil 5, true not
>the Ogadeni clan.
>
On paper even the Ogadens elected him! in reality there was no election in
most of the country.
The whole thing was not about electing a government for the region, it was
about getting a parlment that can't say "no" to males Zanawi and therefore
deny the right of self determination to the people of westren somalia.
As you know the ethiopian constitution made it very easy for every
nation to succeed, just a majority in the parlment can take any region out
of ethiopia.
The Tigrean government realised that the somalis would not stay a minute in
ethiopia if they are given the choise, and if they go many other regions such
as Oromia will follow, so, they have carefuly planned a somali parlment that
can never say "no" to males and to ethiopia.
First step was to redraw the electoral map of the country to make sure that the
ogadens and their allies in the cause such as the "ciise" could not get no
where near the mark of 51 %, so Bookh was declared to be equal to the whole
region of qabridahar, including the districts of Qabri-dahar, Dhooba-wayn,
shilaabo, and Shaygoosh!
FYI, Bookh was not even a district until that time.
Same happened to many other regions for example, Qallaafo, Mustahil and
Feerfeer which where all districts since the British, where compined into a
single district.
Then, the tigrean government decided that it will determine who gets what and
who doesn't and only the ignorant "jaajuusis" where allowed in.
Then, mudane "ciid" was declared to be the governor of the state, and the
parliament were told that they have no say! the government have decided and
that is when the "ciisa" deligation walked out.
After all the measures they have taken it became clear to the guys in Addis
that whatever they do if a somali parliament sits down no matter who is in
there it will not be for the benifit of ethiopia and therfore they decided
never to call them.
The region is realy governed by armed forces any way so the parliament would
have been only a problem so they got rid of it.
Abdilmajid is anyway half Amhar, and the other half is half amhar (culture) so
he is only 1/4 somali, however he can stil represent us but only and only if he
acts like a somali and sides with us, but since he sings to tune of malas
and cares only about his position in the ethiopian government don't you think
we ought to distance ourselves from him.
If we don't, what will be the difference between us and the Ogadens who you say
they sided with Afwayne?
>4. While Somali people were fighting their rights within Ethiopia, the
>the Ogadeni militias joined HANGASH, DHABAR JEBINTA in Somalia to
>massacre innocent people in Somaliland. If oppression and genocide
>are that painful don't you think it is true also for the people you
>have indiscriminately massacred.
>
>Awo
>
Rag lam caasiyee, the Ogadens have consistantly opposed the ethiopian
occupation and have paid a dear price for that,IMO, there is no single somali
trype in or out of westren somalia that have paid such a price, and the
fact that today the ogadens are trying to impose their will on other trypes
comes from being nearly alone in the front for so long. wrong but
understandable.
Where were you when Duufaan was isolating Dhagax-buur and in doing so were
defending Hargaisa and Burco from a sudden fall.
Have you ever heard dhaarsane. Ask the guys who served in Ahmad-guray,
hor-yaal, or ciil-tire.
Lastly, don't let your hate of the ogadens blind you.
As you said there is many other somali trypes, infact all of them in western
somalia so just shut that gun you left loose, or you may kill yourself.
Salaaaaaaaaaaaaaama
Khalif Waylac.
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murtidaa rasuulkiyo sunnaha lagu macnaynaayo
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faisal ahmed hassan
Dear Khaliif waylac:
Allow me to respond to your last piece. I Fully agree with your main
themes. However, I do disagree some of your comments. Allow me to have a
quarrel with you.
You wrote: " first step was to redraw the electoral map of the country to
make sure that the Ogaden and their allies such as "ciise" could not get no
where near the mark of 51%, so Bookh was declared to be equal to the
whole Region of Qabri-dahar, including the districts of Qabri-dahar,
Dhooba-Wayn, Shilaabo, and Shaygoosh! FYI, Bookh was not even a district
until that time? Same happened to many other regions for example,
Qalaafo, mustahil and Feerfeer which where all districts since the
British, where compiled into a single district."
The above qoutation of yours is a bit misleading.....Let's assume that
Ciise and Ogaden obtain the mark 51% percent majority...This would have
shown that they "Ogaden and Ciise would have been the Majority people in
the Western Somali region. However, this is not true nor it is
fact....Fisrt of all, we do not have real statistics among Somalis in
Western Somali (let's call it... whatever, we want..the name to me is not
a big issue at all...call it Ogaden, Haud, Reserve Area or Western
Somaliland)
About Bookh....Bookh is part of Haud and it was part of the
British occupation...If the Government of Tigrean recognized Bookh as
region...This is a good news. What about Domo, Marqaan, heegaale, Aangalo,
sarara-wayne and many more cities, town, and villages in the Haud region.
Mr. waylac, have you foregetton the history of Domo? I do agree with you
that Bookh was not a Distirct under the British occupation....However,
Domo was and is a region and district. Domo is older than
Qabri-dahar.... I agree with you that Qabri-dahar was a district during
the British occupation, so do Domo!
You know...Domo was and still is ancient city....if you investigate the
old maps.. you'll find Domo...was centre of trade and commercial...
it locates at the centre betweeen Zaylac and harar.. to say Tigreaans are
creating new regions and Districts is an insult to my people in the
Huad... We are part of the Westren Somali.. Ourland is call Haud... I
have nothing against the "Ciise and Ogaden" They are Somali people.. I
will certiantly advocate that they should recognize Haud as region equal
to Reserve area or Ogaden whatever, you call them... My people protested
against the British transfere to ourland to the Amhara ruling... My own
father participated that protest againt the British decision....he has
written many essays about that event! I think, brother Waylac, you must
get your record straight. If, the struggle among the Ogaden people is to
deny ourland and regionality to represent our people in the khaliil 5 is
under attack by people who know nothing about the the hisroty of the
region of Haud..Then, I think, we should work with the Tigrean
Government..They have at least recognized ourland as distircts and
regions. So, we should concentrate the business of building our
cities, town, and Villages in the Haud.
We the people in the Haud are not denying the Cities, Towns, and villages
of the Ogaden and Ciise people. All we want is full representation and
power to have leaders that will speak the will of the people in the Haud!
For this, we must work with the Tigrean Government and bring some
economic development in the Haud region. I hope you understand the
History of Haud region.. In Somali Haud means several things....people
think Haud is (Miyi)...Haud is further South. That's where my people
reside.. Ancient cities such as Domo and modern cities such as Bookh.
Nabad
Faisal.
Mustafa Jama
In article <4qm0tb$f...@yama.mcc.ac.uk>,
Khaliif Waylac <kaa...@bolton.ac.uk> wrote:
>Then, the tigrean government decided that it will determine who gets what and
>who doesn't and only the ignorant "jaajuusis" where allowed in.
Mudane Khalif,
Are you insinuating here that the ESDL which represents the majority of
non-ogaden somalis are the "ignorant jaajuusis" ??
>Abdilmajid is anyway half Amhar, and the other half is half amhar (culture) so
>he is only 1/4 somali, however he can stil represent us but only and only if he
>acts like a somali and sides with us, but since he sings to tune of malas
>and cares only about his position in the ethiopian government don't you think
>we ought to distance ourselves from him.
For the sake of the arguement, let us agree that we distance ourselves from
Abdilmajid. Then, who would you suggest we render our allegience to ?? And,
what makes you believe that ONLF is more commited to the nationalistic ideals
of Somalis in the region than the ESDL??
>Rag lam caasiyee, the Ogadens have consistantly opposed the ethiopian
>occupation and have paid a dear price for that,IMO, there is no single somali
>trype in or out of westren somalia that have paid such a price, and the
>fact that today the ogadens are trying to impose their will on other trypes
>comes from being nearly alone in the front for so long. wrong but
>understandable.
True, Ogaaden Somalis sacrificed great deal in their joint struggle to emancipate
themselves as well as other Somalis from Absyinian yoke. It would seem unfair to
deny their long haul for the noble cause of enfranchising Somalis in the region,
however to withhold an equal acclaim for the role of other Somalis is not only
disservice to them but very hypocritical of anyone who contemplates entertaining
such ludicrous thought. But now that you embarked on in that direction, would
you be be kind enough to share with us your criteria of selectively awarding
the medal of honour to Ogaadeen clan and not the other Somalis ?? and how the grand
design, if you will, of imposing the will of a single clan on other Somalis would
be attainable ??
>Where were you when Duufaan was isolating Dhagax-buur and in doing so were
>defending Hargaisa and Burco from a sudden fall.
>Have you ever heard dhaarsane. Ask the guys who served in Ahmad-guray,
>hor-yaal, or ciil-tire.
Khalifoow, isn't also it true when the young men of Duufaan, Horyaal, Ahmed-Gurey
and Ciil-tire factions of the WSLF were dying by the hundrends and every Somali
was singing;
"ninkii dhoof ku yimid beey geeridu dhibaysaa;
wakhtigii dhamaayoo wuu dhaqaaqi doonaa"
And cities like Borama and Hargeisa was constant target of air bombarment from
the Ethiopian Air Force and Somalism euphoria was at its peak, that the ONLF
bitterly objecting the *S* letter in the WSLF acroym came into being ?? So, what
has changed since then ???
At any rate, If there was no Abdulmajid, there sure would have been some other
guy from some clan prostituting for the Tigrean regime at the expense of Somalis.
Therefore, Somalis in that region whether Ogaadeen and Non-ogadeens have only
themselves to blame for their failure since they are fighting over the offal...
and their quandry is better illustrated by the somali saying "waxna aan wada
qalano, mindiyahana aan kala qarsano" until then, AAN UKALA DHEERAYNO ADDIS but
no pointing fingers pls...
--
=Mustafa=
MR AH ABDULLAHI
In article <4qm0tb$f...@yama.mcc.ac.uk> kaa...@bolton.ac.uk (Khaliif Waylac) writes:
>From: kaa...@bolton.ac.uk (Khaliif Waylac)
>Subject: RE: OGADENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Date: 24 Jun 1996 12:15:39 GMT
The region is known as Kilil 5
YOU WISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>KILIL 5 is a number not a name brother, can't you find any other name?
NO NEED.IF THERE WAS A NEED,THEN IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE!!!!!
You must bear in mind that as long as somali people are divided,the Tigreans
and their Amhar cousins(for me they are the same) will take advantage and
continiue to oppress the Somali without differentiating between the
Somali people.
>Abdilmajid is anyway half Amhar, and the other half is half amhar (culture) so
>he is only 1/4 somali, however he can stil represent us but only and only if he
>acts like a somali and sides with us, but since he sings to tune of malas
>and cares only about his position in the ethiopian government don't you think
>we ought to distance ourselves from him.
Abdimajid is biggest bootlicker,dabadagle,and excells at nothing but
pleasing his tigrean womanisers.So they can throw some few Birs(change) to
him.
The problem is not giving OGADENIA another name.The problem is and has been
the denial of the people of Ogadenia their *GOD-GIVEN* rights to chart out
their future.How ever much the Ogadeni suffer,they will continue with thier
struggle with or without the help of any other group.
Abdirashid.
Khaliif Waylac
In article <4qq87s$2...@news.jf.intel.com>, mus...@ichips.intel.com (Mustafa Jama) writes:
>
>Mudane Khalif,
>
>Are you insinuating here that the ESDL which represents the majority of
>non-ogaden somalis are the "ignorant jaajuusis" ??
>
>
Mahadsane Mustafow;
Aynu hoos isugu dhignee,
Liiggu waa jaajuusyo, ugu yaraan badankooda, inta aananse sii dhax galin
bal ogow in liiggu uusan matalin oo qudha dadka aanan ogaadeenka ahayn ee
ay ogaadeenku ka mid yihiin qabaailka ugu badan liigga.
Middaa markaan ka soo gudbo, goormaa la qabtay doorasho si liiggu uu wax
u matalo.
Liiggu sheekhow waa urur ka tirsan EPRDF, waa faracooda KILIL 5, waxayna
wadaan danaha xabishida ee innaba wax canceeno ah uma hayaan soomaali qolo
kasta oo ay tahy.
Doorashada soo tii lagu murmi jiray ee ay qolyuhu isku qabsan jireen ma aha
waa maxay kuraastan ninkii Addis taga uun lagu taagayo.
Dawlad goboleedda aan jigjiga midig iyo bidix toona u dhaafi karin ee haddana
in ay doorasho ku guulaysatay noo sheegayso waa maxay.
>For the sake of the arguement, let us agree that we distance ourselves from
>Abdilmajid. Then, who would you suggest we render our allegience to ?? And,
>what makes you believe that ONLF is more commited to the nationalistic ideals
>of Somalis in the region than the ESDL??
>
>
Ururrada faraha badan ee dalka ka jiro badankooda waa isku mid oo mid walba
qolana wuu ku salaysanyahay qaad-ruugyo, qiiq-dhuuqyo, quud-doonno ahna way
wadaan, taas soomaali wayn meel kasta ha joogtee unbaan la qabnaa.
Liigguse mustafow hal buu ururrada dheeryahay, waa uruka qudha ee ku dhawaaqaya
la midowga Ethiopia, waa ururka qudha ee nin qudha ku salaysan, kaba sii daran
qabiilkii, maalinkuu kuu cadhoodo dibaddaad tahay, ninkuna waa amxaar sidaan
sheegay oo sida amxaarada unbuu u hadlaa.
Midda kale C/majiid-koofi-dheere iyo ONLF iyo IGLF etc qabyaaladda way
isticmaalaane qolana ma matalaan, xaqiiqdii dadka soomaalida ah ee gobolkaa
daggan badankooda way isku fikrad dhawyihiin waxa ay rabaanna wuu u cadyahay
ee mushkiladda taagan waxa weeye had iyo jeer kud iyo qanjo inta la hor dhigaa
la yidhaadaa kala doorta dabadeedna nin walba ka qoladiisa ah ayuu doortaa
Ma u malayn inaan ka gudbi karro marxaladdaa?
Cabdulmajiid ma aha ninka dalka xukuma ee waa ciidka jigjiga jooga, kii ka
horreeyay ee Ogaadeen waxba ma dhaamin oo la mid buu ahaa kii ka sii horreeyay
isaguna sidoo kaluu ahaa, labadoodubana Tigruhu gacan bay ku lahaayeen inay
maamulka qabsadaan.
Waxa aan ku leeyahay waxa weeye labadaa ogaadeen ee hore iyo kan isaaq ee hadda
ah iyo kuwa qolyaha kale ah ee soo socda iyo wixii dusha nalooga keenaba aan
diidno oo innagu ninka xukumayo iyo siduu noo xukumayaba aan taldeeda
lahaano, taa maxaa ku jaban?
Waxay ila tahay aniga inta uu urur jiro qolo la waayi maayo, inta ay qolo
jirtana qas la waayi maayo, marka mabaadii'ba may lahee aan ururrada ka wada
takhallusno oon ka xorowno horta iyaga.
>
>True, Ogaaden Somalis sacrificed great deal in their joint struggle to emancipate
>themselves as well as other Somalis from Absyinian yoke. It would seem unfair to
>deny their long haul for the noble cause of enfranchising Somalis in the region,
>however to withhold an equal acclaim for the role of other Somalis is not only
>disservice to them but very hypocritical of anyone who contemplates entertaining
>such ludicrous thought. But now that you embarked on in that direction, would
>you be be kind enough to share with us your criteria of selectively awarding
>the medal of honour to Ogaadeen clan and not the other Somalis ?? and how the
> grand
>design, if you will, of imposing the will of a single clan on other Somalis
>would
>be attainable ??
>
>
Mustafow Axmad-gurey gaaska la yidhaahdo ogaadeen ma ahayn, sidoo kale Hor-yaal
iyo ciil-tiraba, haddaad reer soomaali galbeed tahay waad taqaannaa.
Marka Ogaadeenkaan meeshan takarta uga kicinayay oon muujinayay doorkoodii,
sababtoo ah ninka aan u jawaabayay ayaad moodaysay inuu doorkooda hoos u
dhigayay, marka haddaad u qaadatay inaan doorka reeraha kale baabi'inayay bal
raalli ahow oo waxaad ku dagtaa inaan laftayda reerahaa kale ka mid ahay, sidaa
darteed ayana suurto gal ahayn inaan doorkooda baabi'iyo.
Haddiise matalan Ajuuraan aan arko nin xaq-darro ugu habsaday soo inaan ka
kiciyo ma aha oo aan doorkooda bannaanka soo dhigo. Ma ilaa qabiilkayga wax laga
sheegi unbaan sugaa?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Qolo markii doorkeeda la muujiyo micnaheeda ma aha in qolyaha kale doorkooda la
baabi'inayo.
Nimanka inta aad bar-baar ogtahay kaga dhintay dagaalladii xabshida lagula
jiray ilaa 48kii ninka inkiro dawrkoodase ma u malayn inuu qolo kale biyo
u kabban.
Ninna nin ma qasbi karo mustafow oo tay tahay tagi, marka saa ku seexo.
>
>>Where were you when Duufaan was isolating Dhagax-buur and in doing so were
>>defending Hargaisa and Burco from a sudden fall.
>>Have you ever heard dhaarsane. Ask the guys who served in Ahmad-guray,
>>hor-yaal, or ciil-tire.
>
>
>
>Khalifoow, isn't also it true when the young men of Duufaan, Horyaal, Ahmed-Gurey
>and Ciil-tire factions of the WSLF were dying by the hundrends and every Somali
>was singing;
>
> "ninkii dhoof ku yimid beey geeridu dhibaysaa;
> wakhtigii dhamaayoo wuu dhaqaaqi doonaa"
>
>And cities like Borama and Hargeisa was constant target of air bombarment from
>the Ethiopian Air Force and Somalism euphoria was at its peak, that the ONLF
>bitterly objecting the *S* letter in the WSLF acroym came into being ?? So, what
>has changed since then ???
>
>At any rate, If there was no Abdulmajid, there sure would have been some other
>guy from some clan prostituting for the Tigrean regime at the expense of Somalis.
>Therefore, Somalis in that region whether Ogaadeen and Non-ogadeens have only
>themselves to blame for their failure since they are fighting over the offal...
>and their quandry is better illustrated by the somali saying "waxna aan wada
>qalano, mindiyahana aan kala qarsano" until then, AAN UKALA DHEERAYNO ADDIS but
>no pointing fingers pls...
>
>
>--
>=Mustafa=
Waa runtaa intan kore, ee maxaad ku talin?
Tii soomaaliaya unbay daba socotaa oo qolo walba gooni intay u baxday urur
yeelatay, qoloba qolay eedaynaysaa, qolo eedda ka madhanna ma jirto ee
inta ururradan teedka dadka u kala noqday la tuuro qolyuhu ha isu yimaaddeen
oo ha wada tashadeen. Haddii kale qolaba mar tigreega ha u dhuumato.
Inataasaan kaga bixi maanta.
Haddaan wax ka tagay iigu soo celi.
Wasalaamu calaykum.
Khaliif Waylac
Waryaa faysal;
Bal horta salaamun calaykum.
ku xigtada maqaalkayga inaad si dagdag ah u akhrisay baan filayaa, maxaa yeelay
waxaan lahaaba kuuma daadagine meel kalaad afka saartay.
Faysalow Tigree aad raacdide xaggeed u mari? (-:
Haddiise laftiisii la dilo xagged aadi? Ma maydkiisaad ku dul ooyi.
Domo, inay soomaali ahaato waxay ku dhaanto inaysan jirin baan filayaa.
Harar iyo Zaylac dhaxdoodana kuma taallee waxay u dhaxaysaa laas-qoray ama
Boosaaso iyo Qabir-daharre, bal maabka dib ugu noqo, bari fog weeye.
Dib u akhri maqaalkaygii ka dibna ii soo jawaab. Inta aadan cadhooninna ogow
gafuur cadho ninkiisuu ku yaallaaye.
Wasalaamu calaykum.
Khaliif Waylac.
Khaliif Waylac
In article <g95a3244.2...@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g95a...@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR AH ABDULLAHI) writes:
>In article <4qm0tb$f...@yama.mcc.ac.uk> kaa...@bolton.ac.uk (Khaliif Waylac) writes:
>>From: kaa...@bolton.ac.uk (Khaliif Waylac)
>>Subject: RE: OGADENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>Date: 24 Jun 1996 12:15:39 GMT
>
>
>
>
Did I say that?
>>KILIL 5 is a number not a name brother, can't you find any other name?
>
>NO NEED.IF THERE WAS A NEED,THEN IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE!!!!!
>You must bear in mind that as long as somali people are divided,the Tigreans
>and their Amhar cousins(for me they are the same) will take advantage and
>continiue to oppress the Somali without differentiating between the
>Somali people.
>
And what is dividing the somalis?
>
>>Abdilmajid is anyway half Amhar, and the other half is half amhar (culture) so
>>he is only 1/4 somali, however he can stil represent us but only and only if he
>>acts like a somali and sides with us, but since he sings to tune of malas
>>and cares only about his position in the ethiopian government don't you think
>>we ought to distance ourselves from him.
>
>Abdimajid is biggest bootlicker,dabadagle,and excells at nothing but
>pleasing his tigrean womanisers.So they can throw some few Birs(change) to
>him.
>The problem is not giving OGADENIA another name.The problem is and has been
>the denial of the people of Ogadenia their *GOD-GIVEN* rights to chart out
>their future.
>How ever much the Ogadeni suffer,they will continue with thier
>struggle with or without the help of any other group.
>
>Abdirashid.
Wasalaamu calaykum
J. Gabobe
bad-mouthing Dr. Abdulmajid:
1- How is he different from Mr. Hussein Maalim Mohammed (The Minister of
land reclamation, regional & water development), and General Mahmoud Haji
Mohammed (Chief of Armed Forces General Staff), both of whom are prominent
members of the Kenyan regime and of Somali origin.
2- Since both Mr. Hussein and Gen. Mahmoud serve in Daniel Arap Moi's
regime, could it be said of them also that they are "traitors,"
"bootlickers," and part Kikuyu ( or was it Kalenjin?)
Given the sorry and sad record of Somali politicians and leaders, I have
no problem with criticising any of them; however, I couldn't help noticing
that those who regularly engage in attacking Abdulmajid, have yet to say
a word about his counterparts in Kenya.
I realize that the topic of this discussion is Somalis in Ethiopia,
and that I could be guilty of introducing a new topic (Somalis in Kenya),
but the frequency and the venomous manner in which Dr. Abdulmajid
is criticised in this forum, while Hussein Maalim Mohammed and Gen.
Mahmoud are never mentioned, compells me to bring this glaring
inconsistency to the attention of the members of this forum.
Jamal
On 26 Jun 1996, Khaliif Waylac wrote:
> In article <g95a3244.2...@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g95a...@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR AH ABDULLAHI) writes:
> >In article <4qm0tb$f...@yama.mcc.ac.uk> kaa...@bolton.ac.uk (Khaliif Waylac) writes:
> >>From: kaa...@bolton.ac.uk (Khaliif Waylac)
> >>Subject: RE: OGADENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>Date: 24 Jun 1996 12:15:39 GMT
> >
> >
> >The region is known as Kilil 5
> >
> >YOU WISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
>
> Did I say that?
>
> >>KILIL 5 is a number not a name brother, can't you find any other name?
> >
> >NO NEED.IF THERE WAS A NEED,THEN IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE!!!!!
> >You must bear in mind that as long as somali people are divided,the Tigreans
> >and their Amhar cousins(for me they are the same) will take advantage and
> >continiue to oppress the Somali without differentiating between the
> >Somali people.
> >
>
> And what is dividing the somalis?
>
> >
> >>Abdilmajid is anyway half Amhar, and the other half is half amhar (culture) so
> >>he is only 1/4 somali, however he can stil represent us but only and only if he
> >>acts like a somali and sides with us, but since he sings to tune of malas
> >>and cares only about his position in the ethiopian government don't you think
> >>we ought to distance ourselves from him.
> >
> >Abdimajid is biggest bootlicker,dabadagle,and excells at nothing but
> >pleasing his tigrean womanisers.So they can throw some few Birs(change) to
> >him.
> >The problem is not giving OGADENIA another name.The problem is and has been
> >the denial of the people of Ogadenia their *GOD-GIVEN* rights to chart out
> >their future.
> >How ever much the Ogadeni suffer,they will continue with thier
> >struggle with or without the help of any other group.
> >
> >Abdirashid.
>
> Wasalaamu calaykum
faisal ahmed hassan
Dear Khaliif Waylac:
War marka hore NABAD! Marka xigana bal ii ogoloo in aan dib ugu noqdo
doodaaadii ama Maqaalkaagii hore...Sidii aan hore ugu xusan...Waa anigii
kula socodsiiyay..In aan kugu raacay intii badnayd ee aad ku qortay
"Maqaalkaagii" Laakiin Waa anigii, markiiba kula
socodsiinay in aan ku tusan khaladkaaga iyo anaga
oo keliya...Diidmadaada..Dhulkayga Hooyo...in ay noqoto Gobol iyo
Districts.. aanu ku matelno dadkayaga...
Marka labaad haddii aan dib ugu soo noqdo...Doodaadii...Waxa aad tidhi
"Maqaalkayga si deg-deg ah ayaad uga soo jawaabtay" Waylacoow, Ragu waa
mid diyaar ah iyo mid wax fahma 10 sanno..ka dib. Soomaalidu waxa ay ku
maahmaahdaa "Nin is Faanshay waa ri' is nuugtay" Markaa anigu iska hadli
maayo..Laakiin, Waylacoow, waa in aad ogaataa, in aan fahmay doodaadii,
waxa aadna ii bad-baadisay wakhti aad u faro badan..waxa aan islahaa...wax
ka qor..Dawlada melas. Laakiin, si fiican ayaad iiga
caawisay..Maqaalkaagii..oo aad i tustay...Sheekadu waxa ay tahay...Anaga
reerkayaga oo keliya?
Waxa aad tidhi oo kale "Faysaloow Tigree aad raacdide xageed u
mari"...Waylacoow, anigu waxa aan ka hadlaa..waxa u wanaagsan dadka degan
"Huad"..waxa aana aaminsahay...Tigree in ay yihiin..ragii ay Somalia iyo
Eriteriya ay dhiseen...War Tigree miyeen ahayn ragii...Somalia ay siisay
paasabooro Soomaaliyeed..war miyeen ahayn ragii...aynu caawin jirnay..waxa
aan ka hadlayaa "Soomaali wayn"...Iminkase, ma ogtahay in Tigree aynaan
dan ka lahayn Dhulka Soomaalidu ay degan tahay reer-kaydoonaa..ha
noqdaane! War miyaadan la socon in Tigree ay doonayso in ay ku biirto
Eriteriya...Waxa aan ka hadlayaa Gobolka Tigree..Markaa haddii aad
doonaysid in aad wax u qabatid reerkiina waa in aad ogaataa..waxa u
wanaagsan dadka Soomaaliyeed..war haddii la kordhiyo...Kuraasta dadka
Soomaliyeed..miyeen ahayn wanaag iyo horumar aynu ku matalayno
dadkeena...reer walibana aynu siino xagooda..Tigree waxa ay og-yihiin in
ay u baahan yihiin kaalmada dadka Soomaaliyeed..Taana waa muhiim oo
Tigree waxa ay ka baqayaan...Habashi iyo oromo (Gaala)..Markaa
Waylacoow...Lama aadan la qaran Tigree...iyo Ethiopia: waxa maanta laga
xukumaa Eriteriya..(waxa jirtay in Dawlada maraykanku uu kaalmo lacageed
uu siiyay..Dawlada Ethiopia..Laakiin, lacagtii markiiba waxa loo
gudbiyay...Eriteria...Markii Maraykanku uu waydiiyay, President Melas,
Melas waxa uu ku jawaabay.."Eriteria, dhibaato faro badan ayaa soo
qaadhay, intii ay ku hoos jireen, Wadankayaga, markaa lacagtaas waxa aan u
siinan xag ahaan") taa maxaad ka tiri? Waylacoow, (ONLF) miyeen ahayn
ragii yidhi "Tagaga Dhulka oo Dhisa Dhulka HOOyo" Fikradaa wanaagsanayd
Waylacoow, maxaa ku dhacay..mise arinkaa runba kama ahayn? oo dad bay u
dan-lahaayeen? Anigu kama aan soo horjeedo (ONLF) Ogaadeenkuna xag-bay u
leeyihiin in ay matalaan danta dadkooda..taa waxa layiraahdaa "Democracy"
waana muhiim..siday doonaana ha ku doortaa madaxdooda..Laakiin, waxa aan
ka xumaaday in aad u aragtid..Dhulkayaga in aynaan lahaan..dad u hadla
danta dadka degan "Huad" oo aadba u aragtid in ay ka mid tahay...Somalia.
Markaa taa waxa laga yaabaa, xagaaga in ay tahay.."jaahilnimo ama
aqoondaro" oo aadan garanayn dadka kale dhulkooda oo aad keliya aad ka
hadlaysid tan reerkiina oo gudha? Taasi, maxuma laakiin waa in aad la
socotaa, bahasha "Siyaasada la yiraahdo" waxa ay mar walba ay u baahan
tahay...wada shagayn iyo wada jirnimo..aynu ka
hadalno..Soomaalinimo..Ragan Tigree aynu aas-aasnay..aynu wax la
gaysano iminka, ka dibna...waynu eegi..Maxaa yeelay Tigree. wax walba waxa
ay u gudbinayaa Eriteriya..markaa waa in aynu ka faa'iidaysanaa..oo aynu
dhisnaa dhulkeena sida ay udhusayaan "Dhulkooda" Taa maxaad ka tidhi?
Waxa aad tidhi "haddii laftiisii la dilo xageed aadi ama gaban, ma
maydkiisaad ku dul ooyi? Waylacoow...Ma haddii aan dagaal ku gaado oo aad
ruuxa ama Laftiisii dishid..anigu waxba igama galin...haddii aad xitaa aad
tegtid Tigree..iyo dhulkooda..Magale iyo uxum...waxa aan u malayn in dad
badan oo Taariikhyagaan ah in ay dib u qori doonaa taariikhda...waxaana laga
yaabaa in aad Tigreega aad dib u ogaysiisid....Daqaalkii Axmed Guray iyo tii
Maxamed Siad barre iyo shicibka Soomaaliyeed iyo dhamaan daqaalyanadii
qoobta daqaal ka qayb-qaatay..Sept, 1977! Anigu maxaan ugu dul ooyi mayd
Tigree. Laakiin, bal mid aan ku xusuusiyo, Waylacoow...Aduunyadu waa ay
isbedeshay...Wali taa ma is waydiisay? Meeday Bari...(Waarso pact)...taa
waa la cunay? Daqaal dad uun baa, ku baa'ba'a,.....Daqaal haddii aad ku
doodaysin..wax fikrad ah oo wanaagsan ma haysid...Daqaal
diiday..Waylacoow..faa'iido haddii uu leeyahayna Soomaaliya ayaa ka
faa'iidaysan lahayd..War bal aan xikmad ku siiyo....Maqaalooyinkaaga ha
burburin...Dhis dhulka....aynu wada shagayno....Siyaasad wacana la
imo...oo dadku kugu raacaan....Iska daa...Reerkayaga oo keliya...ku
dood-sidii aynu u wada shagayn lahayn (Soomaali wayn oo dhan) ay
Soomaalidu ku heli-lahaayeen xagooda: haddii ay noqon lahayn shago iwm! Taas
waan kugu taageerayaa...Inaga daa dagaalka...oo aynu
dhisano...dhulka...Aynu wax ka baro (ANC iyo Nelson
Madella)....maxusuusataa...sida uu u dhisan wada
shagayn ka dhaxaysa dadyoow kala jaadka ah...Tigreegu..Way tegi..laakiin
inagoo diyaar ah...aynu ka hadalno...sidii aynu ku noqon lahayn "Dawlad
sida Eriteria! Bal taa ka fikir.
Mr. Waylac...Anigu dib ugu noqon maayo....Jograafi...iyo maps....taa mar
kale inooga dhig. Waxa aad tidhi "....Inta aadan cadhoonin ogow Gafuurka
cadho ninkiisuu ku yaalaaye?" Waylacoow...Anigu ma'aan ihi nin
cadhooday...Wali maqashay "Nin cadhooday laga badi"....Haddii ay cidi
Cadhootay, ninka cadhooday waa adiga oo sheegay dilmo iyo
hajabaad...khaladna, ha ugaadan...inagana-daa daqaalka iyo burburka...wax
uun bay dumisaaye..waxba ma dhisteen...waana in aan ogaataa in Soomaali
galbeed aynaan ahayn Ogaadeen iyo ciise gudha...War meeye ragii galay
Godey, ragii lagu dilay DHagax-buur, Gabri-dahar.iwm..Wixii dhitay oo u
daqaalamay dhulka hooyo ma waxa ay ahaayeen...Ogaadeen qudha...War meeyay
geesiyadii Soomaaliyeed- Ilaaheey ha u naxariisteen.
waylacoow..imisaa naftoodii waayay...maantana iyadoon xoriyadba aan la
helin waxa aan maqlayaa...maqaale hebel ma noqon karto this and that.....
war xusuuso...ragii naftooda u huray..dhulka hooyo...waxa ay ahaayeen
Soomali wayn oo dhan..war taa waa in aad ogaataa!
Nabad
Faisal.
On 26 Jun 1996, Khaliif Waylac wrote:
MR AH ABDULLAHI
In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.96062...@carson.u.washington.edu> "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>From: "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: RE: OGADENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:46:48 -0700
Mr.Gabobe,Assalamu Aleika,
>1- How is he different from Mr. Hussein Maalim Mohammed (The Minister of
>land reclamation, regional & water development), and General Mahmoud Haji
>Mohammed (Chief of Armed Forces General Staff), both of whom are prominent
>members of the Kenyan regime and of Somali origin.
>2- Since both Mr. Hussein and Gen. Mahmoud serve in Daniel Arap Moi's
>regime, could it be said of them also that they are "traitors,"
>"bootlickers," and part Kikuyu ( or was it Kalenjin?)
It could be worse.If we are to say something about these two fellas,we shall
open another can of worms.To give you a glimpse of the true picture of Gen.
Mohamud,in 1964,there were five senior military officers of Somali orign.
Gen.Mohamud was the most junior of them.However, at the height of the Shifta
(Read:liberation struggles) they were all deployed in NFD.All did not
survive except Gen.Mohamud.Others resigned,escaped and were killed.Gen.
Mohamud on the other mowed down civillian camels and livestock without any
mercy.He is another Abdiamajid only in the military uniform.Gen.Mohamud owns
3/4 of Garissa town!He could be worse in many ways!
Briefly that should tell U something about this buffoon.
Abdirashid.
S0F4000
In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.96062...@carson.u.washington.edu> "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu> writes:
Jamaal Gabobe:
Don't go too far (Kenya), just recall Morgan, Gaani, Bille Rafle, Aadan
Gabyow, Ahmed Omer Jees and the many other criminals who leveled Hargeis
and murdered over 60,000 people in Hargeisa alone. All you hear from
the Neo-Faqashs is Gen. Aidiid and Egal. The unfortunate thing is,they
haven't realized yet that others people have Brains to think.
Walle sidaas baan la idinkaga hadhin.
Awo
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>I have a couple of questions for those who ritually engage in
>bad-mouthing Dr. Abdulmajid:
>
>1- How is he different from Mr. Hussein Maalim Mohammed (The Minister of
>land reclamation, regional & water development), and General Mahmoud Haji
>Mohammed (Chief of Armed Forces General Staff), both of whom are prominent
>members of the Kenyan regime and of Somali origin.
>
>2- Since both Mr. Hussein and Gen. Mahmoud serve in Daniel Arap Moi's
>regime, could it be said of them also that they are "traitors,"
>"bootlickers," and part Kikuyu ( or was it Kalenjin?)
>
>Given the sorry and sad record of Somali politicians and leaders, I have
>no problem with criticising any of them; however, I couldn't help noticing
>that those who regularly engage in attacking Abdulmajid, have yet to say
>a word about his counterparts in Kenya.
>
>I realize that the topic of this discussion is Somalis in Ethiopia,
>and that I could be guilty of introducing a new topic (Somalis in Kenya),
>but the frequency and the venomous manner in which Dr. Abdulmajid
>is criticised in this forum, while Hussein Maalim Mohammed and Gen.
>Mahmoud are never mentioned, compells me to bring this glaring
>inconsistency to the attention of the members of this forum.
> Jamal
>
>
>
>On 26 Jun 1996, Khaliif Waylac wrote:
>
>> In article <g95a3244.2...@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g95a...@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR AH ABDULLAHI) writes:
>> >In article <4qm0tb$f...@yama.mcc.ac.uk> kaa...@bolton.ac.uk (Khaliif Waylac) writes:
>> >>From: kaa...@bolton.ac.uk (Khaliif Waylac)
>> >>Subject: RE: OGADENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >>Date: 24 Jun 1996 12:15:39 GMT
>> >
>> >
>> >The region is known as Kilil 5
>> >
>> >YOU WISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>>
>> Did I say that?
>>
>> >>KILIL 5 is a number not a name brother, can't you find any other name?
>> >
>> >NO NEED.IF THERE WAS A NEED,THEN IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE!!!!!
>> >You must bear in mind that as long as somali people are divided,the Tigreans
>> >and their Amhar cousins(for me they are the same) will take advantage and
>> >continiue to oppress the Somali without differentiating between the
>> >Somali people.
>> >
>>
>> And what is dividing the somalis?
>>
>> >
>> >>Abdilmajid is anyway half Amhar, and the other half is half amhar (culture) so
>> >>he is only 1/4 somali, however he can stil represent us but only and only if he
>> >>acts like a somali and sides with us, but since he sings to tune of malas
>> >>and cares only about his position in the ethiopian government don't you think
>> >>we ought to distance ourselves from him.
>> >
>> >Abdimajid is biggest bootlicker,dabadagle,and excells at nothing but
>> >pleasing his tigrean womanisers.So they can throw some few Birs(change) to
>> >him.
>> >The problem is not giving OGADENIA another name.The problem is and has been
>> >the denial of the people of Ogadenia their *GOD-GIVEN* rights to chart out
>> >their future.
>> >How ever much the Ogadeni suffer,they will continue with thier
>> >struggle with or without the help of any other group.
>> >
>> >Abdirashid.
>>
>> Wasalaamu calaykum
>> Khalif Waylac.
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Qur'aankuu macbuud soo dajee malag u soo dhiibay
>> murtidaa rasuulkiyo sunnaha lagu macnaynaayo
>> inaan midigta saarroon wax kale maya nidhaa weeye.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>.
Eliab G Tarkghen
Hello all...
Is it possible to translate the following to English... I am very much
intersted in the topic.
Thanx.
*******************
Eliab G. Tarkghen *
as...@wam.umd.edu *
*******************
'hayan' Mohamed A Omer
^
Faysal,
Nabad: waxa doodaada ka cad inaad tahay nin xasuusan soo dhacdadii
tariikhda Somaliyeed gaar ahaan tan Gobolka shanaad. Waxa xusid mudan
sidaa aad u xakamaysay ee aad u garanayso halkankii 1977. Sidee loo
illawaa geesayday naftooda u huray kuna dhintay Qabri tahray ,Baabuli
Jigjiga,Goday IWM. Waxa weliba intaa dheer sida aad ula socoto xaqiiqda
maanta maanta ka jirta gobolka shanaad. (like you said, the world has
changed all around us. )
Runta maanta joogta waa in wax lagu qabsadaa haddii la doonayo hori
marinta gobolka shanaad.
Hayan.
>
>
J. Gabobe
Dear Abdullahi: Could you please provide the names of the other four
Somali senior officers in the Kenyan Army in the 1960s; and do you know of
any publications that support the charges you made against Gen. Mahmoud?
You're right about the possibility of this discussion opening "a can of
worms," therefore I will leave it here. Thanks for the info.
Jamal
On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, MR AH ABDULLAHI wrote:
> In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.96062...@carson.u.washington.edu> "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu> writes:
> >From: "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu>
> >Subject: Re: RE: OGADENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:46:48 -0700
>
> Mr.Gabobe,Assalamu Aleika,
> >1- How is he different from Mr. Hussein Maalim Mohammed (The Minister of
> >land reclamation, regional & water development), and General Mahmoud Haji
> >Mohammed (Chief of Armed Forces General Staff), both of whom are prominent
> >members of the Kenyan regime and of Somali origin.
>
> >2- Since both Mr. Hussein and Gen. Mahmoud serve in Daniel Arap Moi's
> >regime, could it be said of them also that they are "traitors,"
> >"bootlickers," and part Kikuyu ( or was it Kalenjin?)
>
J. Gabobe
Dear Awo: The reason I brought up Mr Hussein and Gen. Mahmoud is because
their role in Kenya is analogous to that of Dr. Abdulmajid in Ethiopia,
which makes them relevant to the discussion.
As far as Barre's henchmen are concerned, I think their record of murder
and destruction deserves to be brought up, analyzed, and condemned, but
that's another topic.
Jamal
MR AH ABDULLAHI
In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.96070...@carson.u.washington.edu> "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>From: "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: RE: OGADENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Dear Gabobe,Assalamu Aleika,
: Could you please provide the names of the other four
>Somali senior officers in the Kenyan Army in the 1960s;
Well,the names of the then Somali officers an their ranks are:
1.The late Major Aden Shalle
2.The late Lt.Col.Abdirahman Duruf
3.Major Aden Gobiyow
4.Lt.Mohamud Mohamed Barrow
5.I will send you the name of the last fella in due course.
and do you know of any publications that support the charges you made
against Gen. Mahmoud?
Definitely those files in the Kenya archives which I have gone through have
been doctored and is meant for public consumption.It is so pro-
establishment you can't trust any more.However,what more prove would one
need when those who experienced the struggles of liberation in the then NFD
are still alive.I had the fortune intervewing them recently.
>You're right about the possibility of this discussion opening "a can of>
worms," therefore I will leave it here. Thanks for
theinfo.>
Welcome.
Abdirashid.
>On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, MR AH ABDULLAHI wrote:
>> In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.96062...@carson.u.washington.edu> "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>> >From: "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu>
>> >Subject: Re: RE: OGADENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:46:48 -0700
>>
>> Mr.Gabobe,Assalamu Aleika,
>> >1- How is he different from Mr. Hussein Maalim Mohammed (The Minister of
>> >land reclamation, regional & water development), and General Mahmoud Haji
>> >Mohammed (Chief of Armed Forces General Staff), both of whom are prominent
>> >members of the Kenyan regime and of Somali origin.
>>
>> >2- Since both Mr. Hussein and Gen. Mahmoud serve in Daniel Arap Moi's
>> >regime, could it be said of them also that they are "traitors,"
>> >"bootlickers," and part Kikuyu ( or was it Kalenjin?)
>>
Abib
TEST
Khaliif Waylac
Salaamun calaykum Faysalow;
War bal marka hore iga raali ahow jawaabtan aan kaala raagay, xoogaa meel
buu dab iiga shidnaa doqonimana way ii wehlisaa oo sidaada nin dciyaara ma
ihi.
Waryaa, war ma is tidhi bayr baad yara qabtaa oo markay dabaysha xagaa kacdaad
la roortaa!
Bookh baa dagmo laga dhigaydii unbaad is tidhi ninku ku cunye iska celi.
Bal si kale aan u idhaahdee, Sool iyo Docomo ma simanyihiin? Hadda kuma odhan
Laas-caano iyo docomo ma simanyihiin. Maxaase Bookh iyo Dannood dagmo ka
dhigay oo Qallaafe, Mustaxiil iyo Feerfeer u diiday?
Dooddu ma aha faysalow maxay Bookh iyo Dannood dagmo u noqdeene waa maxaa
Qallaafe, Mustaxiil, Qabri-dahar, etc.. loo tirtiray?
Markaad taa fahanto waxaan u malayn inaad is odhan allaylehe dagdag baan
jawaabtaydii u qoray, labadeenna ninka carrada ka jaahilana waad ogaan.
Midda kale dagaalka dadku ma iyagaa billaabay mise waa lagu qasbay? Bal ninkii
xabbadda riday soo hubso, dabadeedna xabbadda jooji ku dheh, xaggannagase hadda
Dalab baa dhameeyay oo yidhi:
Hawaas iyo jardoon Harar tagnoo gumucu hoos yeesho
oon horay u guurroon Makale kugu hareerayno
hishiis iyo nabad dhacdaa waa habeen tagaye
hab-nugaylka daayoo adaa hiifay nabadiiye
HAGAAG NOOGA GUUR DHAHA CIDLUU KU HADFI DOONAAYE.
Nimanka gaagaagaaban meesha ha dagto ee cabbaar noo suga oo qujaqujaynta naga
daaya waa laga waayay marka ninkay qujaqujayntu u darantahay ha la arko.
Waa siday u dhihi jireen:
Daarood ha is daayo
dad baa laga waayay
duinidu ha qabowdo
dad baa laga waayay
War nin walbow dariskaaga
Daryaan ha ka yeedho (-:
Hadalka yaanan kugu badinine, waxa aad leedahay yuunan ku xidhnaanin nin
hadalkii, waraaqaan qorayay baad igu cabsiisay oo dartaa baan u daayay!!!!!!!!!
Haddayba intaa waxaadu ku sinnaayeen dee iskaga hadh.
Hanfi iyo dabayl baynu mari hoga kaliileede
hiyi-raaca kii aan is hubin inuu hadhaa weeye....
Dalab.
Ugu danbaystii dadka wax taray dadkooda waligay ma inkirin mana inkiri doono
haddaan inkiran abaal ximo soomaali baan u ahay.
halkaa ha sii joogto.
Khaliif Waylac
Khaliif Waylac
In article <Pine.OSF.3.92a.96070...@saul6.u.washington.edu>, 'hayan' Mohamed A Omer <om...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>Runta maanta joogta waa in wax lagu qabsadaa haddii la doonayo hori
>marinta gobolka shanaad.
>
>
>Hayan.
>
>
Hayaanow run wax ha loo wada qabsado waa war wax laga gartay oo beeni meella
ma gaadho, runta maanta joogta wax ha lagu wada qabsadose iima dhaadhicin
ee bal adiga oo raalli ah ii faahfaahi runta maanta joogta.
Wasalaamu calaykum
Khaliif Waylac.
Khaliif Waylac
In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.96062...@carson.u.washington.edu>, "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>I have a couple of questions for those who ritually engage in
>bad-mouthing Dr. Abdulmajid:
>
>land reclamation, regional & water development), and General Mahmoud Haji
>Mohammed (Chief of Armed Forces General Staff), both of whom are prominent
>members of the Kenyan regime and of Somali origin.
>
Raggan jamaalow anigu runtii way iga daahanyihiin midka aad Generalka ku
tilmaantay baan u malayn inaan maqlay, waxayna ii joogtaa nin ogaadeen ah
oo Genera ciidanka kenya ka ah, marka waxaa la waydiin dadka reer kenya
ah ama soo maray ama u xog haya.
Sida aan C/rashiid ka dhadhansaday waa nin ka daran cabul-majiiid, bal
ha noo sii faahfaahiyeeno dadka u xog hayo.
>2- Since both Mr. Hussein and Gen. Mahmoud serve in Daniel Arap Moi's
>regime, could it be said of them also that they are "traitors,"
>"bootlickers," and part Kikuyu ( or was it Kalenjin?)
>
>Given the sorry and sad record of Somali politicians and leaders, I have
>no problem with criticising any of them; however, I couldn't help noticing
>that those who regularly engage in attacking Abdulmajid, have yet to say
>a word about his counterparts in Kenya.
>
Jamaalow, Cabulmajiid 4 sano ayuu meesha joogaa, labadii sano ee ugu danbaysay
mooyee miyaad maqashay ruux intii ka horraysay haysta.
Cabdul-majiid wasiir buu ka ahaa dawladda wax dan dawladda ka lahaana ma jirin
sheekadiisana lama maqli jirin ee waxaa la fuulay markay isaga initay dawladdii
dhaxe ku fillaan wayday uu soo fara galiyay gobolka soomaalida, ee uu ogalaaday
in sidii ul loo adeegsado.
Hadduu hadda dawladdiisa ku ekaado oo uu faraha kala baxana cid ma jirto wax u
dirsanaysa.
Waxaa jiray ama haddaba jira dad kale oo soomaali ah oo xukkuumadda dhexe ku
jira oo cid ka hadali iska daayee cid taqaanaba ay yartahy, sababtoo ah sida aad
u ogtahay ma ogiye, soomaalida daggan Soomaali galbeed dan kama galaan waxa
ka socda Addis.
Cabdul-majiid rag buu laayaa, marka uma malaynayo in nin rag laaya aan wax ay
galabsadeen jirin aad cayda oga bi'i ama qoladaada ha ahaado ama qolo jaane.
Haddii aadse leedahay Cabdul-majiid jiidhkaa ii nixiye dadow ha la daayo, waa
hagaag waa af soomaali la gartay, waxaase ku hor taallo waayahaye dhibkiisa
nagaga fillow oo gacmaha naga qabo.
Dhibkiisa adoo naga haya haddaan ku xad gudubno markaa xaq baad u leedahaye
beerka na goo.
Haddii aadse leedahay ninkayga waa lama qabtaan waxbana lagama sheegi karo,
taas waa wuxuu caqli noo kala wadi waayay unbaan u malayn oo fooddaan iska
malmalaynaa.
Adiga kaligaa sidaa kuma lihi ee anigana waa arrin ii taalla oo ninkaan ku
idhaahda ii daa waa inaan kaa qabtaa, waa haddaanan gardarro u jeedin.
Hebal waan u hiillin mana hanan karo waa waxaa halkaa na taagay!
Gar ma yahay arrinkaa?
Wasalaamu calaykum.
Khaliif Waylac.
J. Gabobe
Dear Khaliif: I don't know why you're asking me a hypothetical question
"haddi aadse leedahay Cabdul-majiid jiidhkaa ii nixiye dadow ha la
daayo..." when my answer is already in front of you "Given the sorry and
sad record of Somali politicians and leaders, I have no problem with
I've also made clear what it was about the attacks on Abdulmajid
I was objecting to:
1- Dr. Abdulmajid was being singled out while his counterparts in Kenya
were being left alone.
2- The venomous and personal nature of the attacks.
I trust that you can tell the difference between asking for an equitable
treatment of prominent Somalis serving in the Ethiopian and Kenyan
governments, and saying, leave Abdulmajid alone because he happens to be
from my clan. Therefore, I'm baffled as to why you're asking me if I'm
suggesting the latter when I've clearly stated that I mean the former.
Jamal
> Khaliif Waylac.
J. Gabobe
Dear Udub: First, let me assure you that there's nothing harsh about the
phrase "laundry list" and I used it in the sense of an itemized list. But
after you mentioned that it might have harsh connotations, I looked it up
in The Random House Dictionary of The English Language, 2nd ed.
Unabridged, and it defined laundry list as: a lenghty, esp. random list of
items.
Second, I agree with you that what you wrote about Abib is your opinion
and therefore you're solely responsible for it.
Third, when I said that your list on Mr. Abib's character was undercutting
my argument I did not mean that my posts were "untouchable", all I was
saying was that I was trying to persuade Abib that we could debate issues
in this forum without resorting to stereotypes or personal attacks, but
your characterization of him in that list weakened my case. Moreover, I
said this to you because you've also expressed that you're in favor of
civility in this forum. In retrospect, perhaps, I should have just stayed
out of it and let you guys duke it out.
Finally, despite all the frustrations I've experienced in this forum,
I find the fact that it's unregulated as its most attractive feature.
You just never know what might pop-out when you log in. Far from it that
I would want rules for posting articles here.
I hope this clarifies matters.
Jamal
On 9 Jul 1996, MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Jamal:
>
> I honestly do not know what a "laundry list" means, but it seems to me
> that it is a harsh word. As for my followup to your article, I was
> expressing my opinions on Abib. I niether explictly nor implicitly
> implied that you share this view of mine on Abib with me. If, however,
> you meant to say that there are specific procedures for posting here at
> SCS, I counter that SCS is an unmoderated group for which there are no
> rules for posting articles. In short, what I wrote about Abib is
> exclusively my opinion and perhaps others share with me. I hope that, by
> "undercut" your "argument", you did not mean that your posts are
> "untouchable".
>
> Regards,
> The Udub_la_asley, Chief Clanist cum Software Engineer.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.9607...@carson.u.washington.edu> "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu> writes:
> >Dear Udub: The whole point of my question to Abib was to persuade him that
> >it's possible to have a civilized dialogue in this forum based on issues
> >and not stereotypes - an outcome in which you also profess to be
> >interested. Therefore, I don't understand why you chose to undercut my
> >argument with your laundry-list (a-d) describing Mr. Abib's character.
> >
> >Still, thanks for the compliment.
> > Jamal
> >
> >On 8 Jul 1996, MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
> >
> >> In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.96070...@carson.u.washington.edu> "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu> writes:
> >> >
> >> >Given this situation, and the fact that the individuals who were attacking
> >> >Dr. Abdulmajid are within reach here in cyberspace, is it not much better
> >> >to point out the contradictions in their arguments and ask for
> >> >explanations than to assume the worst about them?
> >> > Jamal
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Jamal:
> >>
> >> I realize this question is for Abib to respond and we all waiting to
> >> see how he responds even though most of the members of this cave may
> >> have already concluded that Abib is either:
> >>
> >> a) A teenager who could not seperate his emotions from logic.
> >> b) A grown-up whose judgments are impaired by his self-inflicted, and
> >> perhaps uninformed, hatred towards the Ogaadeen clan.
> >> c) A very calculating cyberspace warlord whose only objective is to
> >> create discord and uncivility among the members of the cave.
> >> d) Other cases are possible..
> >>
> >> Thanks for asking an objective question.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> The Udub_la_asley, Chief Clanist cum Software Engineer.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN
MR AH ABDULLAHI
In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.9607...@carson.u.washington.edu> "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu> writes:
Helloo Jamac and Khalif,
We have so far discussed the quality of leadership in the Somali
communities both in NFD and Ogadenia.The million dollar questions are
1.Are these people *genuine* representatives of the Somali people? Or are
they self-seeking opportunist out to make a quick buck at the suffering of
their people?
2.Was there any election where the rules and the play-ground are level?Or
were these so called leaders(Both in NFD and Ogadenia)forced down the throat
of the people?
3.How do the two governments of Kenya and Ethiopia treat the people of
Somali orign?Do they treat the Somali as a person with equal rights and
responsibilities in the country?
I can only speak for the Somalis of NFD.The Somali in NFD according to
the other Kenyans was a Shifta,is a Shifta,and will always be a shifta. As
far as leadership is concerned in NFD,We *don't* have any worth their name.I
can say a million times.They were forced upon the people of NFD.People hate
them.But there is nothing they can do to remove them because there is no
democracy.NFD is ruled by the barrel of the gun.I can imagine the same to be
true for the people of Ogadenia.
There has never been elections that has been fair to all.The general's
family call the shots in Garissa,where as the local administration in Wajir,
and Mandera call the shots in elections in those areas.
The Kenya government has a history of mistreating the people in NFD and
emergency regulations are still enforced in the province.Schools and
hospitals are poorly maintained and as of today there are only five somali
doctors in the province!
I hope that will shed some light on the conditions of the Somalis in NFD
which I honestly beleive to be similar to those of the Somalis in Ogadenia.
Wasalaam,
Abdirashid.
Khaliif Waylac
War Jamaal:
It would have been better if you have just confirmed your answer to this
hypothetical question rather than asking me why I asked you in the first
place.
You see, the two points which you have raised cast some doubt on your otherwise
clear answer. It is as you are saying do not say anything about Abdilmajid
unless you say the same about his counterparts in kenya which to me
is the same as saying just leave the guy alone, isn't this the same old way of
defending the corrupt politicians by always saying he is not alone in this
etc..
I do not agree with personal attacks on any person as it does not serve
any purpose, I also do not agree with attaking someone because he is from clan X
as that will reduce me to the level of the "dhul-jiifs", but, I will never
hesitate to criticize the corrupt politicians of westren somalia regardless of
whether they are in Abdul-majid's bogus league or in the incompetent ONLF.
That is my right and no one can take it. However, if I transgress or if you
feel I am wrong then it is your right to correct me without sending me to
kenya or Somaliland or anywhere else, just point out to me where I have gone
wrong.
Isn't that fair enough?
Oh! BTW, by mentioning "jiiddh nax" I do not mean that you are his actual cousin
I.e, from the same trype, you could be his ideological/intrest cousin which
seems to be more important these days.
Maanta halkaa ha ku dabranaato.
Alaha idn nabad yeelo.
Khalif Waylac.
In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.9607...@carson.u.washington.edu>, "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>Dear Khaliif: I don't know why you're asking me a hypothetical question
>"haddi aadse leedahay Cabdul-majiid jiidhkaa ii nixiye dadow ha la
>daayo..." when my answer is already in front of you "Given the sorry and
>sad record of Somali politicians and leaders, I have no problem with
>criticising any of them..."
>
>I've also made clear what it was about the attacks on Abdulmajid
>I was objecting to:
>
>1- Dr. Abdulmajid was being singled out while his counterparts in Kenya
>were being left alone.
>2- The venomous and personal nature of the attacks.
>
>I trust that you can tell the difference between asking for an equitable
>treatment of prominent Somalis serving in the Ethiopian and Kenyan
>governments, and saying, leave Abdulmajid alone because he happens to be
>from my clan. Therefore, I'm baffled as to why you're asking me if I'm
>suggesting the latter when I've clearly stated that I mean the former.
> Jamal
>
>
J. Gabobe
Dear Khaliif: I agree with you that we should end this discussion here.
Thanks for your reply.
Jamal
> In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.9607...@carson.u.washington.edu>, "J. Gabobe" <jam...@u.washington.edu> writes:
> >Dear Khaliif: I don't know why you're asking me a hypothetical question
> >"haddi aadse leedahay Cabdul-majiid jiidhkaa ii nixiye dadow ha la
> >daayo..." when my answer is already in front of you "Given the sorry and
> >sad record of Somali politicians and leaders, I have no problem with
> >criticising any of them..."
> >
> >I've also made clear what it was about the attacks on Abdulmajid
> >I was objecting to:
> >
> >1- Dr. Abdulmajid was being singled out while his counterparts in Kenya
> >were being left alone.
> >2- The venomous and personal nature of the attacks.
> >
> >I trust that you can tell the difference between asking for an equitable
> >treatment of prominent Somalis serving in the Ethiopian and Kenyan
> >governments, and saying, leave Abdulmajid alone because he happens to be
> >from my clan. Therefore, I'm baffled as to why you're asking me if I'm
> >suggesting the latter when I've clearly stated that I mean the former.
> > Jamal
> >
> >
>
>
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN
Dear Jamal:
Thanks for taking the trouble to look the meaning of the word. I am
sorry if I may have weakened your argument.
The Udub.
Mustafa Jama
kaa...@bolton.ac.uk (Khaliif Waylac) writes:
>Mahadsane Mustafow;
>Ururrada faraha badan ee dalka ka jiro badankooda waa isku mid oo mid walba
>qolana wuu ku salaysanyahay qaad-ruugyo, qiiq-dhuuqyo, quud-doonno ahna way
>wadaan, taas soomaali wayn meel kasta ha joogtee unbaan la qabnaa.
Mudane Khalif:
I guess you and I agree then. So, how about if we put it this way so that
everyone can easily understand;
The League is the current "Jaajuus" and since there can only be one "Jaajuus" at
a time (otherwise there would not be anyone to spy on), The ONLF is vying for the
position as well, but not for higher principled goals as it proclaims. Right???
>Liigguse mustafow hal buu ururrada dheeryahay, waa uruka qudha ee ku dhawaaqaya
>la midowga Ethiopia,
Correct, the league had endorsed a constitution that guarantees the right to
self-determination, at least that is how it reads in paper. Isn't that what
we are all after ???? A self-determination, that is. But before you start
to laugh and accuse me of being "naive", let me ask you what the alternative
is ? more blood-shed ?? remember this strategy had failed to produce any
desirable effect even when Somali nationalism was at its crowning point, what
makes you think it will work now that the only force that binds us together,
Somalism, hit rock-bottom ?? Khalifoow, our immediate need is PEACE, not a
government. Almost seven years now and every attempt to unite Madina and
Kaaraan (less than two miles apart) ends with disappointment. Now, just
imagine how difficult of a task it would be to have Dhagah-Buur and Lafo-Ciise
join forces at this moment in Somali history. Not an easy task or is it ??
Therefore, I don't blame the league for doing this because: (a) it is not an
irreversable process. (b) there is no any other viable alternative at the present.
If and when Somalism is brought back to life, the strugle will certainly be
be down-hill one. 'till then PEACE should be the state we all strive to attain.
We have seen enough tribal blood-bath. It is about time we give peace a chance...
--
=Mustafa=
Khaliif Waylac
>Correct, the league had endorsed a constitution that guarantees the right to
>self-determination, at least that is how it reads in paper. Isn't that what
>we are all after ????
Mudane Mustafow,
This constitution was passed long before the League came to power, in fact the
league is just an amendement to that constitution!
I guess the rest of your argument makes real sense, at least to me, but we
don't have to wait till then.
The rest of somalia have problems as we do, so we should try as they are trying.
Twenty years ago Cadhays Ciise was singing " Ii samir waan soo socdaa!"
and you are saying the same today, well brothor I am not so certain anymore.
About giving peace a chance, I think the people of that region have given peace
a real chance but the EPRDF have given them the impression that no one can get
anything unless they fight for it. Besides, peace can not be only from one
side, think about this.
Nabadeey
Khalif Waylac.
> A self-determination, that is. But before you start
>to laugh and accuse me of being "naive", let me ask you what the alternative
>is ? more blood-shed ?? remember this strategy had failed to produce any
>desirable effect even when Somali nationalism was at its crowning point, what
>makes you think it will work now that the only force that binds us together,
>Somalism, hit rock-bottom ?? Khalifoow, our immediate need is PEACE, not a
>government. Almost seven years now and every attempt to unite Madina and
>Kaaraan (less than two miles apart) ends with disappointment. Now, just
>imagine how difficult of a task it would be to have Dhagah-Buur and Lafo-Ciise
>join forces at this moment in Somali history. Not an easy task or is it ??
>Therefore, I don't blame the league for doing this because: (a) it is not an
>irreversable process. (b) there is no any other viable alternative at the present.
>If and when Somalism is brought back to life, the strugle will certainly be
>be down-hill one. 'till then PEACE should be the state we all strive to attain.
>We have seen enough tribal blood-bath. It is about time we give peace a chance...
>
>--
>=Mustafa=
GORSEI
Dear Brother :
The main problem is Kilil 5 or Ogaden is that two adverse school of
thought .One is based on the segmentary lineage of clan system that
Somalis believe in and the other is the Highlander based upon the Hegemony
of cultural masked Ethiopianess.ERDF took the power after the cold war is
over and the Amahra Administration of Megestu
could not sustain its regime . The EPRDF took a couragesous step to
eradicate the old feodal Amahra based at least on the paper , but after
sudan beame a the bad boy of African in the eyes of Western imperilist ,
Erytrea and Ethiopia leaders who do not have a ability to solve the
national question opted to use the old card of Haile sillasie .That is to
say, Ethiopia and Erytrea are christian islands surrounded
by Muslims. The biggest problem of Somalis in Ethiopia is the collapse of
Somali state invite Kilil 5 all kind of corrupted people who
wanted to rule as they used to do in somalia . ONLF is not different from
this group .ESDL is the outcome of this problem and as long as
the Somalis poeple who could not define a clear cut program that will
include all clan family in ethiopia will become the field of experiment
to the backward paysan of Tigrean that do not have enought power to
uphold their hegemony .We need two thinks : one to forge the greater
Somalia at this time and focus on the consoliation of Somalis that will
culminat to address the problem of the referidum , two to take part in the
federal goverment and built the infrastructure where a new generation will
emerge who take care the Somalis in Ethiopia .Otherwise , one day we blame
the democratic goverenment of Somaliland that the people of north have
managed to create .In short , we mix many elements that could not go
togethe.
FAISAL AHMED HASSAN
On 28 Jul 1996, GORSEI wrote:
>.Otherwise , one day we blame
> the democratic goverenment of Somaliland that the people of north have
> managed to create .In short , we mix many elements that could not go
> togethe.
Dear GORSEI:
What are you talking about? What is the democratic government of
Somaliland? There are no government call "Somaliland" However, there is
Carro reer Isaq? What do you mean the domocratic government of Somaliland?
What are you really talking about? you meant NorthWest province or Carro
reer Isaq! Eloborate, what you meant?
Nabad
Faisal.
A. Gulled
FAISAL AHMED HASSAN <fha...@UWinnipeg.ca> wrote:
>
>there is Carro reer Isaq? What do you mean the domocratic government of Somaliland?
>What are you really talking about? you meant NorthWest province or Carro
>reer Isaq! Eloborate, what you meant?
>Nabad
Dear Mr.Faisal.
I don't think this region is homogenously populated by one clan and in
saying that, you will only enforce the premature idea of the few who want
to carve a new state out of Somalia despite the fact that the other
Somali communities in this region are deeply agaist any such scheme. I
would also like to add that using the names of clans openly and without
any feeling of shame will undermine the efforts of those who want to
start it from scratch and build a united Somali society and nation.
A. Gulled