Do You Know The Ogaden?
Hassan Mohamed
PUNITE IBNU (pun...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> Reposting Article -
> Do You Know The Ogaden?
> If anyone decided to do a word search in SCS - one will discover that
> the names Ogaden, Ogadeni, etc appear with great regularity. As many
> of you would have read in these NG's - some of the prolific writers
> are from this region - take for example Udub (M.Hussein) or Mr.Guled
> etc - they are singing the same song. The only problem is that they
> have harsh voices, and singing is not a career they should choose.
> So I would like to remind these keen separatists about the region
> which they called Ogaden, and I call Somali Galbed; and Ethiopians
> call Harreghe province, others simply call it home.
> The Ogaden is the name of a branch of the Somali family which belongs
> to the Darod tribe. The Ogaden are NOT the only Somali tribe of Somali
> Galbed. In fact the Ogaden tribe only inhabit about a sixth or fifth
> of of Somali Galbed. Now the Ogaden are all those individuals who can
> trace themselves back to Absamleh ibn Ko'madeh ibn Kab'a-lah son of
> Donbiro Dir and Darod [ the origins of Darod is another tale, may be
> someone would like to re-tell the story of the adventures of Darod in
> the Bari region, and how he married a Somali Woman called Donbiro -
> come to Udub why not tell us this tale - if you know it?] - Now all
> the other tribes from Jigjiga to Liban are NOT ogadeni.
> Take for example the large area inhabited by the Bai'idihan who are not
> Ogadeni - they are mijertaine; just as the neigbouring Marehan of
> Somali Galbed are not Ogadeni; we can compose a long list of tribes
> which do not belong to the Ogaden confedration - from the Geri,
> Abbaskul, Bartire, Dhulbahanta, et al. So when one talks Ogaden -
> let them refer to areas inhabited by the following: Malingur (south-
> east of Harar) near the Fafan river; the Rer Amaden and the Aulihan who
> are the most westerly of the Ogaden tribes; Now between Haud Isaq
> (Habar Awal, Habar Yunis, and Aida'gala) and upto the Shabeli river near
> near the the border with the Somali Republic we have a high
> concentration of Ogadeni Clans - we have the Rer Ali, Dalal, Rer Ugsa
> Elmi, Rer X Y Z of the aulihan, Maka'hil; etc. Now this area constitutes
> only a fraction of Somali Galbed. But the main point of
> my argument is not about that. The point I am making is this:
> For those who support the ONLF [ Ogadeni National Liberation Front]
> let me ask this - what about your neighbours - what do you say to
> them ? - do you remembar who you neighbours are - let me remind you
> [ so for the moment lets forget about Tigre, and lets talk about
> Somalis of Somali Galbed ] The region around Jigjiga is inhabited by
> various Somali and Oromo clans; by the way most of Somali clans in
> that area are not Ogadeni - Last time I looked the Geri, Yabarre,
> Abaskul, and Marehan were not Ogadeni. Now with the regards to the
> tribes that live around Jigjiga I will ask what about the following
> - the bursuk (not Darod) the Jarso (Somali Abo), Adari(of Harar),
> Gadabursi (not a Darod) who border the Geri Darod; and Habar Awal
> (mainly Sa'ad Mussa) who border the Darod Clans around Jigjiga. I
> am sure that the tribes that I have mentioned are NOT part of the
> ONLF (Ogaden N L F) - so what about them - they obviously oppose any
> link with Ogaden - so what do we do about that - any solution ? apart
> from violence, that is.
> Now when we look at the distribution of the Malingur Ogadenis - we
> see that their neighbours are the first the Gugundhabe Hawiye to the
> West of them.
> - Karanle Hawiye little further West - the Ania Orome to the west
> - and to the North east we have a border with the Habar Awal Isaq
> (the Isaq live across north of Fafan while Malingur live in the areas
> south and west of the River Fafan. Now what about Aulihan Ogadenis
> in Somali Galbed - they are surrounded on three sides by non-Darod
> Tribes - to the West ther is the Gerira, Gura, Dagodia, Marre, Gare,
> and Ajuran - all related to the Hawiye; to the south of Aulihan we
> have a confederation of Rahanwein and Hawiye Tribes; then Aulihan
> Ogadenis are bordered to the east by their cousins the Marehan - now
> everyone knows that the Aulihan and Marehan are famous for their
> feuds with each other (but I will not going into that). To the north
> in the Haud region the Ogadeni Tribes are bordered by various Isaq,
> Bursuk, Dhulbahanta clans. So what is my point ? Well from this brief
> look at the Ogaden, anyone can see that this part of Soamli Galbed
> is inhibited by various tribes; many of which are Ogaden or Darod.
> Thus how can anyone say ONLF or Al-itihad represents Somali Galbed.
> People like Udub etc. should not think that they and they alone
> suffered under Abysinian rule - they do not have monopoly on that.
> If the people from the Ogaden want separation from Ethiopia - let
> me hear how this can be acheived without the consent of all the
> inhabitants of Somali Galbed. The Tigre are not stupid, they have
> learnt how easily We, Somalis, are devided - yes all they have to
> do is arm the Isaq, or Karanleh, or Gugundhabe, or Digodia, even the
> Arusi, or Bibile, or Jarso, or Gadubursi, or Dagodia Hawiye, or the
> Karanle Hawiye, or dube Farmers, or every ready Habar Yunis, or the
> Willing Aidagala, or ever willing Habr Jel'ee, the list is endless.
> You see, if the Tigre left today - I can boldly predict that each
> group would settle old feuds - with modern weopons - so instead of
> talking about the Tigre - lets talk about us - yes lets talk about
> the relationship between each clan or tribe - I know that we, somalis
> are at the war with each other - this war doesn't sem to be ending.
> Just look at chief clannist Udub and his 'Hitler' type words. So I
> ask question lets imigine Tigre left our land today - what shall we
> do. I know that we would all fight - yes, we would all fight and make
> virious alliances - the Isaq would unite against the Darod; the
> Hawiye tribes of Somali Galbed would join Aidid's USC; the Oromo
> would join the OLF (Oromo liberation Front)or that would re-create
> old Fronts SALF etc, the Majertenia tribes (Bai'idhan etc) would join
> their brothers of Bariregion ...etc..etc. There would be no peace,
> unless you can convince me that Somalis love each other (which I
> doubt it) I will always be sceptical of the call to join the ONLF or
> Al-itihad. wheather or not the Somalis stay part of Ethiopia is
> a question which I have no answer to. How can one think about
> independence when we are at war with each other ?. Surely we need
> some peace so that the issues of self-determination can be debated
> freely. The Ogaden can not survive by itself - because you know that
> the Ogaden is surrounded by hungry wolves who have old scores to
> settle - so I suggest that the Ogaden makes peace with all its
> neighbours especially the Isaq, Hawiye, and Oromo - otherwise your
> dream of independence will never be full-filled - the thing that is
> stoping self-determinationfor the Ogaden is the feud between the various
> Somali Clans - if you do not believe that there is feud -
> then simply look in SCS and read the words of Udub, etc. We are at
> war with each other - my advice is first make peace with your
> brothers, and then may be, may be you will be able to talk about self
> determination.
> Regards,
> -
> PUN...@aol.com PUN...@hotmail.com
> Warra Punite Ibn Jibirta Ismail
>
>
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Despite all of the non-ogadens somalis that live in Somali Galbeed, Ogadens
are still the majority of the Somali westerners. Statistics have shown that
more than 65% of the population of Somali Galbeed are Ogadens. Moreover,
Ogaadeen is the only Somali clan that has an armed opposition group, the
ONLF, in Somali Galbeed. These are the undisputed facts.
Mr punite, I would like to ask you whether the rest of non-gadens somalis
in Somali Galbeed can form an opposition group that has military and populous
support as the ONLF? are they capable of opposing the TPLF's aggression?
did they demonstrate in the past?.
Hassa Mohamed
Mohamoud
PUNITE IBNU (pun...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: So I would like to remind these keen separatists about the region
: which they called Ogaden, and I call Somali Galbed;
Punite;
I call Somali Galbeed too !
---
Yaa Salaam
Dr. MOHAMUD
University of Santa at Wyoming State
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN
PUNITE IBNU (pun...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>In fact the Ogaden tribe only inhabit about a sixth or fifth
>of of Somali Galbed.
"Godka Lagu cadaabkiiyow muxuu go'uhu been sheegay"!
--
<Udub ?>
mohamed...@born.com
Mr punite has good point.
I do not know where you get the number, but the fact is that the ogadens
clan is not the majority of the Somali in that area, definitely they are
the majority against the other Darod clans, but absolutely not against all
Somalis in Somaligalbeed. There are others clans large than Ogaden and
others equal to Ogaden, unless you consider the somaligalbeed border is
Fafan and west of 5 to 10 km from the "Wadaad Cad" road between Jigjiga
and Godey like the Tigre Regime.
Being the majority or not, Is it the point or the question???? I do not
think so.
For your information WSLF was the first organization who took arm against
the Ethiopian regime. The ogadenis were not the majority nor the founder
of the WSLF, they become the majority in the regular arm after the 70's
because the drought of the late 60's and early 70's in that regime. The
people did not get help from the Ethiopian regime so they cross the border
to servive and the Saad regime used them for his glory.
The ONLF was created by the Saad regime to divide the somaligalbens young
officers(fresh graduate from the ex-com countries military school) who
were determine to support and participate the arm struggle against the
Ethiopian regime and specially they did have lot of support from the
officers from the northern ex-Somalia (Somaliland).
The Saad regime need the manpower to control the country special the
Ogaden clan manpower which were the victim of the drought (you know the
history). The Saad regime places them high possible quickly in order to
diffuse the situation and he did call back the Ogadens senior(those
participate the 1964 war) to organize the ONLF and close the door of the
WSLF and arrest all seniors of the WSLF even the ogaden who oppose the
idea.(check your history).
Did anybody know what happen to Omar Nur. He was one of the first ogadeni
renegade(Saad's termonology), he was arrested of opposing the idea but
escaped in 1970-71 and re-arrested the end of the Ethiopian and Somali war
by Saad Regime.
If you check the background of the majority of the ONLF leaders you will
see the Saad regime finger print(graduate from the Saad School). They
carry the destruction of the somaligabeed and the specially the ogaden
clan. Somaligalbeed clans(specially Ogaden clan) should learn from the 2
m's(marehan and majerten) clans(Their competition destroy the country) and
those who support that regime.
The amazing thing is what happen to the rest of the somaligalbeed unless
you want move the border to Fafan which is located about or less than 20
km from north of Jigjega and shabeyle about 15 km west of Jagjega. Are
you given away more than ½ of the somaligalbeed land and people or what?
Just like the British did, a gift for Ex-Kingdom(Hale Salassie) or a gift
for the Tigree.
Do I not believe that If the Tigre leave Somaligalbeed, there will be a
chaos like Somalia(Southern). In some part of the country yes, maybe the
southeast part of the somaligalbeed from Jigjiga to Somalia Border not
include the City of Jigjiga, maybe Dire Dawa area too. The rest
somaligalbeed still have the strong Somali Tradition Leader in power just
like the Somaliland, Even the Southeast and Dire Dawa both will be under
control with in few months by the Somali Tradition Leadership. They will
take control of the leadership and that is what make the hungry wolf
(those who graduate from the Saad Barre school) worry. They have to create
a different organization to control the people not to build a country.
Personally I do worry a little about the behavior of the ONLF activities
against the rest somaligalbeed clans, specially Al-itihad who makes the
Islam way of controlling the people, just like the socialism did. Miss
translation the concept of the Islam and use for your own advantage for a
power special to control the Somali women that is very very low, that is
what I hear. Somebody correct me I am wrong. I do know Al-itihad did not
start that way and I do know the early leadership did good job by
helpening the Somali people during the chaos of the horn and during the
drift late 80's and early 90's, and during the transition of the Ethiopian
regime(from Amara to Tigre) but I can not tell you what happen lately and
I do not know if there is 2 Al-itihad.
I do believe that the somaligalbeed need to put there act together in the
country and outside the country because we can not point the finger to
colonial (European) nor the clans systems nor ex-Somalia ( from the 60's
, 70's. ….etc.) regimes forever and make them the escape goat for the rest
of the Somaligalbeed existence, instead of confronting our problems (the
Tigre Regime or what every).
We do know they (Ex-Somalia regime, clans systems, European, even the Rep.
Djibouti) have something (only some) to do to our problems.
Nobody know what is coming and the Tigre regime will not last for every
because they do have to many enemies already, they are just like the
previous regimes. What every we have now or accomplish holds our future,
that is a fact.
Remember the King of King, The Somali people were one of key factor of his
collapse, I am not talking about the Somalia regime, I mean the Somali
people in the country, like worker union, … etc. And some of the key
leadership of the Ethiopian Labor Union … etc. were Somalis. Did you know
what happen to them when the Military took power. Some of them were kill
and put in middle of the street to intimidate the public, one of them was
Ali Ibrahim senior civil engineer and one of the chief operation of the
Dire Dawa Raw way (they display his body in front of the train station -
Dire Dawa) and he was one of the top union leader and other one Jama Absie
an officer of Dire Dawa Distruct, he was arrest and killed and displayed
near the bridge, to save 20 somalis he did save them(they used be Herta
Sheikh Aden) , some of them were jailed without court and the luck one
were forced to retire because they were know in the international labor.
I can make very long list(high educated people who decide to stay in
country and organize the people instead of run to ex-Somalia or Djibouti,
and they did, and they were from all clans even some of them were from
other of the somali territory, and they are still doing) of the
Somaligalbeed heroes
Ask or Check out with the EPR, or the Tigre they will tell you as a
person(behind of the door) that from the so-called King to the present
regime the Somali people play the key part of the any changes which happen
in the country, but they will never make it public because they are scare
from you. That is a good lesson we should review. I do believe the Somalis
can be independent from the Ethiopian regime, it is matter of putting our
act together. The Amara, or the Tigre, or anybody else do not want or like
the idea of the Somaligalbeed seceding from Ethiopia because it will be
the end of the artificial history. Before the war of the 70's more than
60% of the country budget were coming the Somali regine, and still it is
beside the foreigner aide. We should learn the importance of our role in
the Ethiopia and make it work for our advantage. There is no more cold war
guys.
So brother the question is : Are you trying to erase those heroes from our
history or are you trying to say the Somaligalbeed history started with
ONLF(1973) and Al-itihad(1988)???
Eeeeh, there was other organization in Somaligalbeed, If you go in the
near future to Dire Dawa check out some of the old building you will see
the SYL(Somali Young League) drafted to the front building to show their
support, special the 50's building. We created it and the rest Somali
enjoy it without Somaligalbeed. I can tell you some of the building, even
the main office of SYL by name or location, but you never know what the
Tigre gone do.
If you do not know what the future holds for you, you do not know what you
are doing now!!!!!!!
So my brother, the question is:
What do you want do able it?
Mohamed Y. Samatar
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Dear friend,
like the previous regimes. What every we have now or accomplish holds our
darw...@hotmail.com
In article , mohamed...@born.com says...
Dear Cavers,
As it’s a prevalent above, this thread is losing what ever meaning it
originally had. I guess it’s changed to a writing contest of some sort.
Yep, check me out, I can write more then you do...blah..blah and
more blah,,blahh..!!
mohamed.samatar is no exception. This guy wrote so much (I wonder
what kind of time he has) and still he said very little and made even less
sense.
Knock, knock..hello boys, It’s NOT how much you could write but rather the
content of your writings. In short, please stop wasting your precious time;
nobody has that kind of time to read an article as long as above with as little
substance as above. We ain’t impressed with these self-over-appreciation
baloney.
Peace to y’all
----
Anagoo taleex naal
jihaad taladii soo qaadnay
todobaatan boqol oo DARWIISH
togotey neef doora.....
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN
Faisal,
Welcome back. Where have you been all along ? I missed your articles. BTW,
Faisal, I met an ONLF spokeswoman a while back in Miami. This woman has a
lot of interesting things to share. Perhaps, I should send you some of the
documents she shared with me. I am personally not a member of ONLF because
its leaders demand that I join them in the battlefields which I do not
want to do at this point of time. Like most other Somalis, I am afraid to
die for the Republic of Somaligalbeed. Hey, Faisal, if ONLF wants to die
for this Republic, I do not personally object to it. What about you ?
BTW, don't you think the name "Republic of Somaligalbeed" is a good one ?
Could you find a marketing firm to publicize this name ? Let me know.
--
<Udub ?>
faisal hassan
Dear Mahamed Y Samater,
Very interesting article. I read with pleasure. Second, Punite as being a
friend and and so-called an expert of Somali clan and politics had
actually advanced a logic argument with of course his biases.
You've also looked at history of the people of Somali Galbeed. You showed
your long article what unity stands for? You asked very important
questions in your article? What is the best interest of the people of
Somali Galbeed?
I do know Ogaadeen. They are my friends, relatives, neighbors, and
belong one of the Somali clans. They came from Carro Ogaadeen.
ONLF as a political organization has a record and supporters world over.
However, The Ogaadeen clans are different from the Organization itself.
However, I do think that ONLF is headed on the wrong direction because it
is based on Emotion rather than ideology. They are just like SSDF, SNM,
USC, SPM and others who have came from Somalia proper. They resort to
emotion rather than logic and reason. We should also separate the clan and
an interest group. As my old friend Udub explained in his previous
discussion and argued that "they are not the same. Political
organizations come and go. However, Carro Ogaadeen is there to remain
forever with its people." (Udub, the chief clanist)-(hey, I am just
parapharasing)
Further, One must be very careful with interest groups and their
organizations when they argue that they are infact represent clan Z..or zz
clan.
I argue they don't represent the whole clan. In other words, ONLF
doesn't represent the whole Ogaadeen clans or in that matter it isn't the
only organization for the Ogaadeen clans. One must understand this things
we call "Politics"
As I have disagreed with my critic Khaliif Waylac one and half year
ago about this politics of division and secratarian concepts. I'll
disagree with those who advocate secratarian ideology here and now.
However, I do agree with Mr. Waylac that Somalis in Somali Galbeed must
determine their future. What I would like to caution however is
that one must also assess the impact of politics of war. For it
destroys the ordinary Somalis especially eldery, women and children.
Politics of war doesn't look the over all picture. It closing its both
eyes and refuses to listen for those it supposedly claimes to help and
represent.
There has been wrong statistics being advanced under the thread "Do you
know Ogaden." For example, You argued that Ogaadeen is the largest clan
amongst the Darood clans? I beg to differ from you. We don't have a clear
statistics to support your claims. Further, Somalia are Dir & Darood,
period. There are Carros for each clan. Therefore, there is no minority
amongst the Somali clans. Each clan is, indeed, a majority in its own
territory. Who is Minority and who is Majority Somalia? Asked because
Somalis don't know that each clan has its own territory. therefore, each
Carro is a Nation of its own.
Mustafa Jama has a point that the unity of Somalia is important than a
clan emotions. that is, when dealing with a foreign forces like the "Dasha
Habar Dugaag." Don't ask me, what hell I am talking about? When I talk of
"Dhasha Habar Dugaag."
In other words, we shouldn't fear from the truth. For it leads to
constructive development.
Nabad
Faisal A. Hassan.
faisal hassan
On 13 Aug 1997, MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
> Faisal,
> Welcome back. Where have you been all along ? I missed your articles.
Dear Udub, the chief clanist,
Thanks. I've been busy doing all sort of things in the sky and in the
ground. Next time, you fly look around the safety team, you might met see
someone you know in the sky, that is, yes, in the sky.
While you are on the ground around the surface of the earth, in case you
hear Somali radio station listen it very careful that might be my voice
saying "halkani waa codkii af Soomaaliga" "Waa tan heelooyinkiinii aad
dalbateen.", stil if you are on the ground, really down earth-check
newspapers and journals, you might read my last discoveries.
Well, I was doing all sort of things, chilling, kicking, fucking, writing,
critiqueing, editing, and investigating unknown elements in the universe
esp. in Somalia soil. I do alot of travelling thesedays and reached as
far as Asia, that is, far East Asia. I was Hong Kong for the very first.
Lovely place. I did also visited as far Copal Harbour in the North
pole-Very cold place to be. Having been seen many places in such
a short period of time. Thanks to my new job which requires alot
travelling. Now, I got bored travelling. I need a new job. Is there any
openings in your firm?
>BTW,Faisal, I met an ONLF spokeswoman a while back in Miami. This woman
>has a lot of interesting things to share. Perhaps, I should send you some
>of the documents she shared with me.
Please do. I love to read. I am eager to read. give me some.
>Like most other Somalis, I am afraid to die for the Republic of
>Somaligalbeed. Hey, Faisal, if ONLF wants to
>die for this Republic, I do not personally object to it.
Neither do I. However, I want to tell them know your capabilities. Expand
your objective. When necessary compromise. I hope they won't object the
Arts of reason and logic. Would they?
>What about you ?
Well. I believe self-defence. I don't advocate destruction rather I appeal
to reason and logic. I always look the best interest of the ordinary
people. What is it? Further, I always examine all other options because to
die simply means to leave this planet earth. Do we have enough people
to replace them? If we do, a guess it is an option which needs to be
looked at. However, As I have examined all options-it is not the time to
die. It is the time to lead those whose knowledge of human life is
limitesd esp. a Somali one.
> BTW, don't you think the name "Republic of Somaligalbeed" is a good one ?
> Could you find a marketing firm to publicize this name ? Let me know.
> --
> <Udub ?>
I do think the name Somaligalbeed is a good name indeed. But it should be
based on incluisiveness and vissionary.
I don't several marketing firms some of whom their works credited the
defeat of Saddam Hussein. Do you got the money? Then, we can talk.
Nabad
faisal hassan.
Mustafa Abdullahi Jama
In article <Pine.BSF.3.95q.97081...@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca>,
faisal hassan <fha...@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca> wrote:
>Mustafa Jama has a point that the unity of Somalia is important than a
>clan emotions. that is, when dealing with a foreign forces like the "Dasha
>Habar Dugaag." Don't ask me, what hell I am talking about? When I talk of
>"Dhasha Habar Dugaag."
>In other words, we shouldn't fear from the truth. For it leads to
>constructive development.
>Nabad
>Faisal A. Hassan.
>
>
Faisal,
It is good that we see this issue eye to eye. Telling home truth hurts at the
start but when it sinks in the overall benefit far outweighs the transient
pain it brings on its victims. I wish the misguided elements in our society
such as the ONLF and all the other clan based organization in the Somali
territories will make use of the great Somali wisdom that says "Nin wax ku
**siiya** mawaydide nin wax kuu **sheegaad** waydaa" and start welcoming
criticism however painful they find it to be.
The struggle for self-determination in the occupied Somali territories is a
legitimate cause whose unqualified support is incumbent upon every Somali.
Many Somalis had shed their blood in past and many will in the future.
It is an ever-existing thirst that nothing short of total freedom could
quench. I do not think any sane Somali will raise an issue with that.
But how we go about achieving that is the question. I say before we even
devise strategy be it military or otherwise let us first strive for unity
among Somalis. Unity is key to the struggle. Let us first join hands
and do away with the clanist attitude that is rampant in our society.
Confront the enemy within -- clanism -- only then could we shoot for the
stars. Today our enemy is equipped with deadlier weapon than just military
hardware. They know how to exploit the deadly virus of clanism to their
advantage. All they have to do is manipulate the clan structure, setting
one clan against another. They no longer need to use fighter jets to bomb
our cities like the did in Borama when they murdered 81 school-children
in split second. Then why give them the opportunity? Why self-destruct?
Anyway, nice to have you back!
--
=Mustafa= mus...@ichips.intel.com mj...@mipos2.intel.com
Mahmoud Abib
faisal hassan <fha...@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca> wrote:
>Thanks. I've been busy doing all sort of things in the sky and in the
>ground. Next time, you fly look around the safety team, you might met
>see someone you know in the sky, that is, yes, in the sky.
Dear Faisal,
What sort of things were you doing in the sky?
>Well, I was doing all sort of things, chilling, kicking, fucking,
>writing, critiqueing, editing, and investigating unknown elements in the
>universe esp. in Somalia soil.
I see! You have been busy. My brotherly advice is: don't fuck while you
are flying, and DO NOT FUCK ANYONE WHO IS NOT YOUR WIFE.
Regards,
M.Abib
J.J.Jama
On 13 Aug 1997, MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
> Faisal,
>Dear Udub, the chief clanist,
Dear Faisal; sorry for not mentioning in my
Summary or briefing to you, We no longer address
Muhammed Hussein (Udub), as Chief Clanist, he
Relinquished that title . He is the legitimate
President , so you have to address him accordingly
Mr. President , Mudane Madaxweyne iwm.
Faisal, if you are interested , the position of
Prime Minister still open , and Mr. President is
Looking for very competent person for that position.
J.J.Jama
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN
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<Pine.BSF.3.95q.97081...@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca> faisal
hassan <fha...@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca> writes:
>I don't several marketing firms some of whom their works credited the
>defeat of Saddam Hussein. Do you got the money? Then, we can talk.
Faisal,
Most assuredly, I will see if I could get some money if the firm you know
could liberate the Somali people from Xabashi. I am poor right now.
--
<Udub ?>
faisal hassan
On 17 Aug 1997, MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
> Faisal,
> Most assuredly, I will see if I could get some money if the firm you know
> could liberate the Somali people from Xabashi. I am poor right now.
> --
> <Udub ?>
Dear Udub,
Yes. We can liberate our people from dasha Habar dugaag. It won't require
some money. But rather a unity of purpose, good ideology, a well thought
strategy, more understanding between Somalis and towards a more perfect
union. What would ours be? Any idea?
Nabad
Faisal Ahmed Hassan.
faisal hassan
On 14 Aug 1997, Mustafa Abdullahi Jama wrote:
> Faisal,
> It is good that we see this issue eye to eye. Telling home truth hurts at the
> start but when it sinks in the overall benefit far outweighs the transient
> pain it brings on its victims. I wish the misguided elements in our society
> such as the ONLF and all the other clan based organization in the Somali
> territories will make use of the great Somali wisdom that says "Nin wax ku
> **siiya** mawaydide nin wax kuu **sheegaad** waydaa" and start welcoming
> criticism however painful they find it to be.
Dear Mustafa,
I have witnessed your skills in action and infact you won my support when
you advanced a logical argument for the Somali unity not just for the
union of clansmen whose world is limited in the local environment but
rather perfect union between all Somali clans.
I have also read some hate-mongers attacking your clansmen because you
have asked a logical questions. it was unfortunate that some of our
brothers and sisters are not yet mature to see the other viewpoints. I do
know that you my friend Mustafa Jama don't represnet your clansmen. Also,
I do know that ONLF doesn't represent the Ogaadeen clans.
It would have been useful if the local leaders have had asked what does
ONLF stands for? Further, I do know that Udub, doesn't represent his
clansmen.
Then, why did some members of these cave attacked your clansmen? Do they
think that we, Somalis share their balky views? I for one, don't share
their attacks on your clansmen.
You should be congratulated for defending your clansmen whose insult
were witnessed.
We shouldn't fear these kinds of low lives and hate-mongers.
> The struggle for self-determination in the occupied Somali territories is a
> legitimate cause whose unqualified support is incumbent upon every Somali.
You've got my vote.
> Many Somalis had shed their blood in past and many will in the future.
> It is an ever-existing thirst that nothing short of total freedom could
> quench. I do not think any sane Somali will raise an issue with that.
Excellent. I do agree with you that many many Somalis have lost their
lives on these struggles for freedom for Somali Galbeed. They will fight
and die for the cause of freedom and a more perfect union.
A society like ours must also question the secratraian groupings whose
knowledge of freedom is based on clan association and hatred. We must
strive the freedom for all Somalis-It is time to understand FOR UNITY WE
STAND TOGETHER. We must strive unity but not divission. Keep enlightening
those whose view of fredom is limited to their own clansmen. I am with you
on the side of Somali unity-We either have unity for purpose, or we don't.
Then, if that is not possible, we must strive for separate and perfect
union. I'll elobarate on other time, if got the time to share.
> But how we go about achieving that is the question. I say before we even
> devise strategy be it military or otherwise let us first strive for unity
> among Somalis. Unity is key to the struggle. Let us first join hands
> and do away with the clanist attitude that is rampant in our society.
I fully agree with you. We need a unity of purpose. Then, only can we
strive for a commonalities and freedoms for our peoples.
> Confront the enemy within -- clanism -- only then could we shoot for the
> stars. Today our enemy is equipped with deadlier weapon than just military
> hardware. They know how to exploit the deadly virus of clanism to their
> advantage. All they have to do is manipulate the clan structure, setting
> one clan against another. They no longer need to use fighter jets to bomb
> our cities like the did in Borama when they murdered 81 school-children
> in split second. Then why give them the opportunity? Why self-destruct?
> Anyway, nice to have you back!
>
> --
> =Mustafa= mus...@ichips.intel.com mj...@mipos2.intel.com
Well said. You and I disagreed in the past. However, As for today, I do
agree with you that Somalis must come to the realization that we cannot
longer divided-First and foremost we must strive for unity
of purpose.
Thank you for welcoming me in the cave and this great place
that connects us in the past and who we are?
Nabad
Faisal Hassan.
faisal hassan
On 15 Aug 1997, J.J.Jama wrote:
>
>
> On 13 Aug 1997, MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
> Dear Faisal; sorry for not mentioning in my
> Summary or briefing to you, We no longer address
> Muhammed Hussein (Udub), as Chief Clanist, he
> Relinquished that title . He is the legitimate
> President , so you have to address him accordingly
> Mr. President , Mudane Madaxweyne iwm.
> Faisal, if you are interested , the position of
> Prime Minister still open , and Mr. President is
> Looking for very competent person for that position.
> J.J.Jama
Dear J.J. jama,
I think I could do a better job than that of president Udub. I know Udub
is a tactic but I have a better plans and a vission in the cave and for
Somalia? What is his?
I want to challenge Udub's presidency? What does he stand for? What are
his supporters? Who elected him? Did he proposed a system or systems?
I am going to challenge and organize better organization and a more
inclusive leadership?
I want the top job not second position because I have a vission.
Let's see if the president resorts to emotion? Or if he resorts towards a
more perfect union? What does he stand for?
Nabad
faisal hassan.