Darood Unity
Said Ibrahim
Once again, it is becoming clear that the cairo peace will fail. It is
truly sad but almost real. Is it possible that the lack of a united
Darood front is really making peace impossible?
Why do I think this. Well, almost every body in the country and the
region recognizes the Daroods as single entity, with clear goals and a
political agenda. In truth, that is not the case. The Daroods are
among the most unorganized group in the Horn of Africa. I think, a
united Darood agenda (not true unity, for that is impossible), would
advance the peace process. How? Well, they will be able to sit with the
other political players with one agenda. It will be easier for the
Hawiyes and the Isaqs to make peace with one Darood. What is now
happening is that the other groups are trying to play politics by
playing one Darood group against the other. The ultimate result is no
progress. That is exactly what happened in Cairo. It is becoming
obvious that the Daroods will not be the only leaders in the future, as
has been the case in the past, nor will they be able to dictate to
others. But what is even more clear now is that without the consent of
the Daroods, there will be no true stable Somalia or Horn of Africa. Do
not forget that the Daroods represent one of the major clans in the Horn
of Africa. They are central to any lasting peace in the region.
Now, what is sad is that the Daroods are so unorganized and confused
as a result of the Said Barre era, that they are uncomfortable promoting
the concept of a united Darood. In fact, the more educated ones are
even far more likely to shy away from any talk of that nature. yes.
clan politics is truly primitive, but without making peace with the
reality on the ground in Somalia, we will never progress and join the
rest of the world.
Am I losing my mind by suggesting that we should consider uniting
the Daroods? Wouldn't this be a return to the all days of Somalia?
Well, the answer is no. First, the Daroods should not unite against
other clans, that will be bad. Secondly, the objective is to create
peace, not war. No single somali clan can stand alone in today's
world. If the purpose of uniting the Daroods is to dominate the region,
then it is not a good idea. The goal has to be to unite so we have one
agenda, a clear interest upon which others can negotiate. Today no one
knows what the Daroods want. And no one vision speaks for them.
This united Darood idea must be promoted and supported by the educated
Daroods. It can not be left to the warlords and those trapped in
misery. However, the average Educated Darood in the West or anywhere
else feels uncomfortable expressing his/her identity or a political
agenda. For good reasons they think that any clan talk is truly a
regression. I agree with that. But I find it interesting that an
educated Darood who lives in the USA can not go back to his birth place
in Somalia (i.e Mogadishu or Marka). This is because he/she is a
Darood... no other reason. At the same time this individual feels
ashamed of discussing clan politics. I think it is dishonest and
Hippocratic. It is also sad that we could only use clan politics for
war and suppressing others. It is time that we learn to accept the
really in Somalia, and to use what is real for peaceful intentions.
This is not an anti-Darood message, for I am one of them. I look
forward to some suggestions as to how or if we should promote Darood
Unity at the educated level.
Thanks.
Said Ibrahim
As the Cairo peace process is failing, I wonder if the lack of a united
vision and objective by the Daroods is the problem.
I think it is time that we consider promoting a united Darood agenda as
part of the peace process. The Daroods are seen by others in the region
as a political group with an agenda. They are however, far from that.
They are confused and unorganized. No one really knows what the Daroods
want. Would a united Darood help the peace process in Somalia? I think
so. Why? because with out that the other groups will continue to play
games by playing one Darood subclan against the other. I think it would
be easier for the Hawiyes or the Isaaqs to negotiate with a united
Darood.
The average educated Darood is truly ashamed of clan politics as
usual. They feel that to talk of Darood would be a step backward. I
agree with that. But I also wonder if we will ever take a step forward
without that step back.
Also, one needs to help the educated Daroods dissociate the United
Darood idea from that of antagonizing the other clans. They need to
understand that the purpose is for peace and the coexistence of all the
somali clans. The Daroods are one of the major clans in the Horn. They
are recognized by the political forces in the region as an entity...
they may not think of themselves as such, but they are seen as such by
the others. So to claim otherwise will only delay the progress of the
region in terms of peace.
I propose that we, the educated somalis, promote the idea of a united
Darood at the educated level, so they can help their people formulate a
set of political vision and agenda.
This has to be for peace only. not to dictate to others, but help find a
solution for coexistence.
This is not an anti-Darood message, for I am one of them. I wait to
hear some comments about this issue.
Thanks.
Aidid.
Abdiwali M Ahmed
Said Ibrahim (s...@po.cwru.edu) writes:
>
>I wait to hear some comments about this issue.
We don't think you have an issue. You are riding on a time machine and
zooming back to the 6th century prehistoric times to imitate Bedouin
conflict-resolution strategies in order to decipher the secret codes of the
complexities of a modern nation-state so that you can participate in finding
out an everlasting peace for her citizens. We think you will not come back
from that journey.
If you deny that you are a passenger of this time machine, the only other
way we can categorise you is to theorize that you are one of those who are
still playing the old colonial card which is the immediate cause of the
grim situation in the present-day Somalia. We think the educated and
enlightened Somalis currently residing in the developed world will not allow
the spread of this naive rationalisation yet contagious to the short-sighted
mythical clan cry-babies.
Somalia needs a solid foundation and a serious attempt by her true sons and
daughters to fix her problems. This can only be achieved if her people
earnestly adopt the prerequisite of urbanization a.k.a. QabiilDiidnimo. We
would like to ask you to give a serious thought to this approach instead of
drumming up the mythical clan "heleleey" and embarking on a fruitless
journey.
Ardaaga QabiilDiid.....
>Thanks.
>Aidid.
--
|Waa ummad midoo+++++Isku muunadoo++++++++Ay wada martaa |
|Maaweello dhaqan++++Muslimoo ku hadli++++Afkeygaa macaan|
|Magacaa qabiil++++++Iska maydhayoo+++MABDA'WEYN KU SOCON|
| QabiilDiid: July'96 |
Farah Mohamed
Dear Said:
I believe this is a very healthy argument, and anyone who disagrees with
you (without) analysing the content of it...should be far away from the
reality of Somali politics!
In prinsciple, Islam requires that any conflict among "Muslim Brothers"
should be resolved in impartial mediation and just. Taking this
prinsciple into consideration, we can agrue that "Unity" doesn't come
before a fair "conflict resolution" is acheived. Therefore, it is very
necessary to "unite" Darood or any other clan, even before any broad
based "national" reconciliation is attempted.
Eventhough its always safer to take a precautious measure for supporting
a clan "unity," its equaly necessary to take risks for a "politically
incorrectness" issue, when the existence of a "nation" is at stake!
Going back to your point again, what is wrong if Darood or Hawiye, or
any other clan "intellectuals," get together and say..."hey, we are the
brain of our people, how can we solve our peoples problems?" When we
say here "clan" we referring to one unit of a larger group. That is,
Somalis. Thus if anyone unites one unit of his/her people ...for a good
intention, has also equally united the rest of his/her people!
Whether this debate pleases everyone or not, uniting each clan
(separately) at least for now, is prerequisite for a greater national
unity. For the "intellectuals" and Somali politics, ...I believe they
have failed a broad daylight. They have been squeezed between
"warlords," western idealogy (which doesn't compromise with Somali
culture and value system), and their own fears and insecurity. In this
regard, since the "educated fellows" have no chance for either
contributing to the peace process nor the (gut) of participating in
Somalia's modern politics, clan leaders will always entertain us with
their own little surprises including "uniting" Reer Hebal.
Regards
Farah
Cabdifataax
Said Ibrahim skrev i meddelandet <35033652...@po.cwru.edu>...
:Once again, it is becoming clear that the cairo peace will fail. It is
:truly sad but almost real. Is it possible that the lack of a united
:Darood front is really making peace impossible?
I did not follow with close attention in whole peace making efforts.
It is not easy to understand Somali peace in this new era when clannish
intrigue lies at heart of Somalis.
Like that, united Darood *would* have little impact on the success of
this peace. (hence I know little about failure and successes of the accord)
As we have witnessed more and more *united* clan may
create a tremendous conflict in already this troubled country, because
other clans try also to establish unity (what for (?).
and this unholy togetherness will ever enlarge the gap between Somalis.
At this time we have to look the unity of nationhood instead of dividing us
Tribe, clan , subclan and so on.
Since we have not proved full unity of three clannish
actors in Somalia. I believe we have tested for what they are.
C/fataax.
Mohamed Ahmed M. Atto
Dear QabiilDiid:
I agree with your dislike against all things clanish, but with all due
respect, I do not agree with your "Tahliil" prescriptions or "Just say No
to Clanism" quick fixes to the Somali problems.
Any other ideas, please ?
--
Abdiwali M Ahmed
Mohamed Ahmed M. Atto (ah...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>Dear QabiilDiid:
>I agree with your dislike against all things clanish, but with all due
>respect, I do not agree with your "Tahliil" prescriptions or "Just say No
>to Clanism" quick fixes to the Somali problems.
>Any other ideas, please ?
Dear Atto,
You're alive and in the flesh! Welcome back!
Old pal, you know that we're not pissed off by clanism only but by the very
nature of the tribalization of the Somali society. The reality in Somalia is
that most people are directly or indirectly forced to group themselves in
tribes. Never the less, unless this reality is changed we would ended up
swept out of existence. Our Crest-coated "Tahlil" prescriptions synthesized
out of the adamant principles and philosophy of QabiilDiidnimo is the way
to go.
What other ideas are better than to say "no" to tribulations of tribalization.
Again, welcome back.
Ardaaga QabiilDiid......
Said Ibrahim
Dear Qabildiid, I can understand your reluctance to offer tribalism any
excuse to survive. I also agree with you that a significant part of our
misery is due to the evil nature of tribalism. But ignoring its
existence and saying just no to it may not be the best approach at this
time of Somali's history. Remember, there is nothing wrong with the
existence of a tribe, it is how the concept is used that causes us a
lot of trouble. Religion has caused more deaths and killing among
humanity than tribalism will ever do. The West is not teaching us to
abandon religion all together.
So, in short, I can relate to your strong opinion against any form of
tribalism for Somalia, but to say that it is not an issue, when
thousands have died and others still continue to suffer in name of
tribalsim, may be a pit too much.
In this great country of America, racism is recognized by many as evil
and plain bad. There are those who suggest that it should not be a
issue in any human relationship, but that has not removed race from the
political and social spectrum of America. For those who wish to use it
for evil intend, they have the option. While many of us use it for good
intentions. Should we suggest to our African-American brothers that we
should not use or discuss race in the American political discourse? You
know what the answer to that would be.
So, I advise you to not change your mind, but to remain objective and
open-minded about the issues that you do not necessarily agree with.
Peace to you.
Ibrahim.
Mohamed Ahmed M. Atto
Dear Said, I think that we Somalis should not even bother at all about
the the establishment of a national government, the current status quo is
in my opinion much better than that of a status under a hastily
"assembled" so-called national government, its crazy you know, there are a
lot of problems that need to be sorted out, Baidoa is still under
occupation, Mogadishu is still devided and both Husen Aidiid and Ali Mahdi
are still claiming to be the president or was it a mighty prime minister
of Somalia ? Weird stuff, isn't it ?
The Darods are doing fine as long as they are keeping their eyes wide
open militarily (only the Paranoid survive :) and keep the trade flowing
and not and never buy into the Mogadishu dream.
One day the Somalis all over the horn are going to unite under one nation,
but this unity need to be forced from the wheels of time, it will come by
itself, and thats when each of the Somali clans start working for the good of
their own lot, and not interfer with the security of the neighbouring other
clan.
--
abdu...@hotmail.com
I think the last thing any clan, Darods for this matter would like to have is
a united clan based idiology. This clan stuff has no future in the modern
society, Somalia or elsewhere. I for one would never participate any clan
activity. I am Somali and I don't believe in clan stuff.
I encourage all intellectuals to stay away from clan politics and try to come
up with a better solution which would give all Somalis equal rights.
I say no to qabiil and anyone who promotes to this primative idiology.
Abdulahi Mohamed.
p.s. There are some people like the crazy (would love Dr.) who spread hatred
among our people and claim to be clean. These are the ones who destroyed our
mother land.
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Mohamed Ahmed M. Atto
Dear QabiilDiid:
I think I am a closet Qabiil-Diid, because in my sleep every night I go
to a peaceful place, where I see Somalis of all former clans living
together and loving each other, I dream about a Somalia without Clanism .
But when I wake up in the morning and see the light of the day,
I realize that the place I went last night was nothing but a dream.
Do you mind if I call you a Dreamer ? and I mean it in the good sense of
the word.
Anyway, tonight I shall go back to that Somalia again.
Abdiwali M Ahmed (cy...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
--
Abdiwali M Ahmed
Said Ibrahim (s...@po.cwru.edu) writes:
>Dear Qabiildiid, I can understand your reluctance to offer tribalism any
>excuse to survive. I also agree with you that a significant part of our
>misery is due to the evil nature of tribalism. But ignoring its
>existence and saying just no to it may not be the best approach at this
>time of Somali's history. Remember, there is nothing wrong with the
>existence of a tribe, it is how the concept is used that causes us a
>lot of trouble.
Dear Ibrahim,
With no offence, the idea that tribes are ok and tribalism is wrong is one
of the weakest arguments one can engage in. The proponents of tribal
institutions fail to draw a line between the two. Rightfully, they fade out
rhyming love/hatred with communists: "We are communists and we dislike
communism! ".
>Religion has caused more deaths and killing among humanity than tribalism
>will ever do. The West is not teaching us to abandon religion all together.
No, sir, the West teaches atheism, but learning something and believing in
it are two different areas.
>So, in short, I can relate to your strong opinion against any form of
>tribalism for Somalia, but to say that it is not an issue, when
>thousands have died and others still continue to suffer in name of
>tribalsim, may be a pit too much.
Did we say that?
>In this great country of America, racism is recognized by many as evil
>and plain bad. There are those who suggest that it should not be a
>issue in any human relationship, but that has not removed race from the
>political and social spectrum of America. For those who wish to use it
>for evil intend, they have the option. While many of us use it for good
>intentions. Should we suggest to our African-American brothers that we
>should not use or discuss race in the American political discourse? You
>know what the answer to that would be.
We see no comparison between racism in North America and the uniqueness
of the Somali people?
>So, I advise you to not change your mind, but to remain objective and
>open-minded about the issues that you do not necessarily agree with.
We do not assume anything? About what we have not to change our minds?
But here is one of the best advice you will ever encounter: If you are a
Somali and believe in Islam and tribes concurrently, you are not a Moslem
and you have no chance of going to paradise. The sooner you cut off your
mythical clan umbilical cord the better for you if you want to please
Allah!
>Peace to you.
Peace to all qabiildiids!
Ardaaga QabiilDiid.....
>Ibrahim.
Ahmed Barre
Time and again there we are, coming one extreme end to another extreme one
. I wonder if being a Somali is being an extremist!. Look these so-called
Qabiil- Diids' irretional idea. To their Somali-extremism ideology, they
wrote such lousy words, "But here is one of the best advice you will ever
encounter: I f you are a Somali and believe in Islam and tribes
concurrently, you are not a Moslem and you have no chance of going to
bizzare thinking on the subjects of tribes and pradise. In their extreme
point, these day-dreamers want to tell us who will go to pradise, something
that even Messengers of Gods never claimed!.
Abdiwali M Ahmed <cy...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article
<6e7g5c$5...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...
>
> Said Ibrahim (s...@po.cwru.edu) writes:
>
>
Faisal Ali
Said Ibrahim wrote:
>
Not only a realist you are but honest too. I think if we have
more people like yourself our problems would have resolved.
Yes the Daaroods must come as one and face the rest of the Somalis.
Faisal
Abdiwali M Ahmed
Mohamed Ahmed M. Atto (ah...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>
>
> Dear QabiilDiid:
>
> Do you mind if I call you a Dreamer ? and I mean it in the good sense of
> the word.
>
Dear Atto,
We appreciate your understanding of the meaning of the word "Dream" in depth.
In our dreams Somalia gives an ultimatum in clear and unambiguous voice.
" Oh! My children," she says "I have never let you down. You are made of my
mud. You are made of my soul. I have made you into something special:
a rare race among the human species . I have endowed you with rivers and
lakes. I have endowed you with seas which are the envy of all the coastlines
on the face of the earth, full of bounties and richs."
"I have endowed you with land of punt, of fragrances, of she-camels and other
rearable kind, of plants whose seeds are untamable in other soils, of wild
animals never seen in foreign lands and can only be cloned in my bosom and
care. I have never failed you and I have enough for each and everyone of you."
"It was not my intention that my children are exiled to all over the world,
my elders are subjected to lonesomeness in strange lands and members of the
same households are separated in all directions of the globe where they see
little hope to meet each other again. Where is my women, the queens of
Africa? Many of them are deceived in the name of Islam and are abused in
every conceivable and inconceivable ways. Are the children and the
gullible safe and sheltered from harm? You are like thrown-off sparks
darkening in hopelessness. I have just told you little of your miseries."
"But what worries me the most is your oversight of the truth and your
fatuities: the mother cause of your miseries is the "tribes" and most of you
have worn earplugs afraid to listen to the truth because you are weak in
humanity and personality."
"This is desertion time and here is my ultimatum. You have either to choose
me, Somalia, without "tribes" and without the intoxicate qat or keep
worshipping your idol "tribes" in your insobriety until the inheritance
of the land is stolen from you and given to other than your sons and
daughters."
Xusuus: Ardaaga QabiilDiid waxa uu dhammaan akhristayaasha godka ka codsanayaa
in qoraalkan lays dhaafiyo oo aad u gudbiso kuwa godadka kale ee qarsoon
qabiilka kula dhuumanaya; haddii aad kari kartana aad "hard copy" ka sameyso
oo aad dadka godka aan soo galin u qeybiso. XUSUUSO ADDUUNKA WAXA LAGU
BEDELAA FALKA "AKHRI!".
Ardaaga QabiilDiid.....
Farah Mohamed
Dear Friends:
I don't think so anyone of us is promoting a clanism here. The
question, is there any possibility that Somalia's problems can be solved
in a clan basis (conflict resolution)? If not, what ulternatives you
can offer, I mean those of you who are against clan politics? Any
political Model in mind? I find aslo very difficult to comprehend when
many Somali intellectuals argue that clanism has destroyed Somali
Nation. How come? can we draw the line between clans and the
politicians who used CLANISM for their end? I think before defining the
problem itself...we cannot create a scenario to solve it.
I could be wrong, but I think some of us are still suffering from
"Siyad Barre Era Anti-Clanism Syndrome Disorder (SBACSD.)" This
psychological illness might has been caused by Siyad Barre's rigorous
Anti-clan enforcement. Many people were so affraid even to mention their
own clans' name. Of course many went jail for violating ..the
Anti-clanism provisions. Since this painful memory still haunts some of
us, we so paranoid with the negative effects of "Clanism." As I argued
in this forum in many occasions, Somalis are "clans", and only Clans can
solve their problems.
Regards
Farah
G ADAN
Asalaamu Calaykum Waraxma.
Walaalayaaloow waxaan kobtaan ku arkay ragdhahaaya qabiil hadan wax lagu
xalin maxaa bedalkiisa ah oo wax lagu xalin karaa?, Jawaabta su,aashaan
aad ayay ufududahay oo qofkasta oo muslim ah waxaa laga rabaa inoo
kajawaabo, intaas waa hordhicii ama gogolxaarkii Jawaabtayda.
Hadaan usoo noqdo jawaabta Su,aashaan jawaabtu waa sidaan.
Alaah baan kudhaartay xalkeenu wuxuu kujiraa Diinta Islaamka, Daliil
practical ahna waxaa u ah Reer Aws iyo Qasraj(waxay ahaayeen laba qabiil
oo carab ahaa oo boqolaal sano isdili jiray oo cadaawadi kadhaxaysay,
waxayna Deganaayeen Madiina Almunawara)kadib markuu Nabiga NNKH oo usoo
hijrooday magaalada madiina ayuu dacwada ufidiyay Alaah mahadii diinta
Islaamka ayay qaateen kadibna walaalo ayay noqdeen oo Alaah ayaa
walaaleyay.
Waxaa lagama maarmaan ah in aanu ogaano in Muslimiintu oo dhan Walaalo
yihiin ama cadaan ama Carab ama madoow ama brown ha ahaadeen, kadib taas
markaan ogaano oo si dhab ah uxaqiiqsano markaa qofna walaalkiis
madulminaayo.
Waxaa laga yaabaa in dadka Qaarkiis ay isyiraahdaan taas waa fiican
tahaye sidee lagu heli karaa?. Waxaxay aniga ilatahay in Wadaadadu ay
uqumaan Juhdibadana kubixiyaan in Umada Soomaaliyeed Diintooda labaro,
oo laga dhiso dhinac kasta, Caqiitatan wamanhajan watoowjiihan.
Aniga Shaqsiyan saas ayaay ila tahay in lagu xalin karo shibaatada
Soomaaliya haysata, qofkii ugu qilaafsan(waxaan rajaynayaa Qofkasta oo
muslim ah madiidayo kamana hor imaanaayo in lagu dhaqmo diinta
Alaah)ra,yigaan waxaan aad u xiisanayaa inaan maqlo ra,yigiisa.
Waad mahadsan tihiin.
Asalaamu Calaykum Waraxma
Dr. Adam Garad
Cabdifataax
Farah Mohamed skrev i meddelandet <350A3A...@erols.com>...
:Dear Friends:
:
:I don't think so anyone of us is promoting a clanism here. The
:question, is there any possibility that Somalia's problems can be solved
:in a clan basis (conflict resolution)? If not, what ulternatives you
:can offer, I mean those of you who are against clan politics? Any
:political Model in mind?
Xal: Diinta Islaamka. Diintu way dhamaytiran tahay dhan walba sidaas
awgeed xalka aan ka dooranlahaa waa DIINTA.
: I find aslo very difficult to comprehend when
:many Somali intellectuals argue that clanism has destroyed Somali
:Nation. How come? can we draw the line between clans and the
:politicians who used CLANISM for their end?
Mudane Farah, Ma rabo in aan su'aal kugu soo celiyo. sida:
"War soow uma haysid in dadka siyaasad qabiil ay isku dileen?" iyo
su'aalo la mid ah. Maxaa yeelay waan ogahay in aad ka *jawaabaysid*
Qabyaaladda (clanism) waxay ka mid tahay hababkii ugu horeeyey ee
la isku maamuli ama abaabuli jiray, waagii nolosha aadmigu joogtay
heerka bilowga ah, ee baadiyaha iyo baadiyo xigeenka lagu noolaa.
Habkaasna wuxuu ahaa qaab iskaashi iyo iska warhayn ah. Sidaasna
waxay ahayd si fiican: si aan sida dugaaga keli-keli kaynta loogu kala
firdhan ayaa intii isku dhiig ama deegaan ahi is urursan jirtay, magacna
la bixi jirtay (sida magacyada qabiilada maanta) xeer ay isku maamushana
ay samaysan jirtay.
Qabiil walbana wuxuu ahaa mujtamac kuwa kale ka soocan oo leh degaan
u gaar ah iyo hanti ka dhaxaysa. Xubnaha qabiilka ma kala nolol sarayn,
waxayna
ahaayeen dad wax wada qabsada isku dan iyo isku dareena ah.
Faa'iidadii mid u soo baxda kan kale wax buu ku lahaa.
Xagga shaqada: xoolaha, qodoshada iyo difaaca cadawga
way iskaashan jireen iyagoo wadajir ah
Habkaas dadka isku maamuli jiray, dadka qaarkiinsna ay *siyaasad*
ku magacaabaan wuxuu ku haboonaa bulsho hore.
Sababta:
Qaranimada waxaa keenay baahi soo baxday markii saldhigii nolosha
bulshadu heerkaas ka horumaray, maagaalooyin waaweyn la dagay
qaabxiriirkii bulshada isrogay, qabiiil walba dadkiisii kala fur-furmay
xag deggaan iyo xag heer nololeedba.
Sidoo kale iscaawintii yaraatay, qof walba dantiisii raacday. Dawladbaa
meesha soo gashay, si ay u haqabtirto baahibulshadeedka soo baxay
maadaama xeerkii qabiil u yiilay uu qilaafay kii kale. Fikradda qabiiliga
lagama adkaan in kastoo dadku ay *dawlad* samaysteen.............??.?
Mudane: Waxay xaqiiqdu tahay in fikradaad soo jeedisay ay aad iyo aad
ugu dhawdahay xaqiiqda maanta taagan fagaaraha (Soomaaliya) , tan aan aniga
ka hadlayna ay "riyo" u egtahay.
...Waa hagaag.. Fikradaada xaqiiqda ayey u dhawdahay oo kaliya kuma meel
marayso, waxa ugu mihiimsan ee laga cabiri karaa waa ma soconaysaa..??
[...la tuuray intii kale..]
C/fataax
Farah Mohamed
Dr. Adam;
Si fiican ayaad rayigaa u caddaysay. Waxaan ka mid ahay raggii su'aasha
soo jeediyey ahayd "maxaa qabiil bedeli kara." Jawaabtaadu waa caddahay
oo waxaad tidhi DIINTA Islaamka ayaa xal u ah dhibaataada
Somaaliya...taas oo aad malaha adiga laftaaduba u malaynaysid inay
wakhti dheer qaadanayso. Adiga warkaagu waa cad yahay. Ayaan darrose,
waxaa jira dad badan oo halkan wax ku qora oo xalka Qabiilka iyo kan
Diinta labadaba wax xaqiiqada ka fog u arka. Nin ayaa halkan wuxuu ka
soo jeediyey in qabiil wax lagu xalliyo ay tahay "very premitive and has
no in place in Somalia's modern politics ..and quote." Waxaanan hubaa
in uu xalka diinta sidoo kale u arko.
Su'aashaydii waxay mar kale ku soo noqonaysaa, Sir/madam, maxaad xal u
aragtaa, what is the ulternative?
Regards
Faarax
mohamed hassan
Akhyaareey,
Hadii uu daarood midooba ma laga yaabaa inay soomaaliya nabad noqato?
mida kale kuwa idinka idin ka mid ah ayaa leh Daarood waa inuu mid
noqdaa , miyaad iswaydiseen dhibaatad dalka taalo inaysan ahyan qabiil oo
kaliya oo yatahay geegaan , mida kale dhibaatoonyinka soomalia yaalo ma
aha shaqna kuma laha daarood, ee waa Hogaami xumi'' ee la imaada fikrad
kale ,hadii aad caawimaad u baahantahiina fadlan soo cadeeya waa laydin
caawinayaa.
HABAR FADHIDA HURDO LA FUDUDAA?
Moahmed
Ahmed Barre
Walaal Adam;
Anigu shaqsi ahaan waxaan qadyaan ka taaganahay adiga iyo qolyaha kale
meelaha la taagan "taariikh" baa xal ah. Waxaan ka wadaa bal fiiri waxaad
la soo shaqo tagaysid ninyahow wayni amarka Ilaahey, AWS IYO KHAZRAJ!!!
what-da-heck is that? Please ogow waxaan ka hadlaynaa siyaasada Soomaliya
iyo qarniga 20aad waxaana u baahanahay xal ficil ah ee uma baaahinin
taariikh dhacday. Adiguna Amarka ilaahey(wadaadyahow madaxa dheeri) waxaad
lasoo maqiiqan tahay sheekadii laba qolo oo CARAB oo noolaa qarnigii 7aad.
Waxaan rabaa inaan u sheego adigaan iyo cult-gaaga inaydaan isku khaldin
MABDA'A iyo FULINTIISA. Waxaaan ka wadaa, sababtay u heshiiyeen labadaa
qolo ee carabta ah waxay ahayd NABI MAXAMED N.N.H.oo sameeyey xal ficil
ahaa oo ay ku heshiiyeen ee qofyahow ogow Nabi Maxamed intuu meel qabow
fariistay ma uusan cambaareyn qolyahaas isagoo leh ISLAAMKA AYAA IDIN
HESHIINAYA EE QAATA!. Xusuusana in iyaga oo Islaam ah ay mar is dagaali
gaareen NABIGUNA ku yiri "ma anigoo idin dhex taagan baad fikradii
qabyaalada ku dhaqmaysaan?".
Hadaba, waxaan arkayayey in ka badan 10 sanno in WADAADADA Somaliyeed ay
lasoo taagan yihiin ISLAAMKA AYAA HAYA WAX WALBA. Intaas ka badan 10 ka
sanno wali ma arkin wadaad soomaliyeed oo soo bandhigay waxay rabaan iyo
siday u rabaan. 10kaa sano waxaan arkayey inay wadaan CAMBAAREEN ay
cambaareynayaan Siyaasiyiinta Soomaliyeed (from Siyaad Barre era up to
now), waligeyna ma arkin waxay qabteen walba ha ahaatee.
Waligay ma arkin wadaado Somliyeed oo xataa sameeyey NGO, waligay ma arkin
buugaag ay daabaceen oo tilmaamaya sida dawlad loo noqon lahaa, waligay ma
arkin meel ay ka qayb qaateen heshiisiin qabillo, waligay ma arkin shir
Soomaliyeed oo soo jeediyeen, waligay ma arkin heshiis ay soo dhaweeyeen,
waligay ma arkin cid ka fikrad duwan oo ay la xal la raadiyeen, waligay ma
arkin....the list is long.
Sababtuna waxay tahay badanaaba Carabaha (saudi arabiya and egypt) ayaa
laga xukumaa Wadaado isku sheegayaasha soomaliya, carabauhuna waxba kama
oga arrimaha iyo siyaasada soomaliya.
Marka aniga aragtidayda waxaa madaxooda ku duubaan ISLAAAMKA AYAA XAL AH
,without slightest idea of how Is lam is the way.
Ugu danbayntii waxaan idin oran lahaa waxaad qabataan shaqo wax ku ool ah
oo ah BARIDA QURAANKA carrurta soomaliyeed ee BILAAA CALAYKUM ku ekaada
hawlahiina farahana kala baxa Siyaasad aydaan EHELKEED ahayn, CIISA BI DIIN
MA MUUSAA BI DIIN.
G ADAN <BT5...@QMWCC5.qmw.ac.uk> wrote in article
<350A72...@QMWCC5.qmw.ac.uk>...
Farah Mohamed
Cabdifataax wrote:
>
> Farah Mohamed skrev i meddelandet <350A3A...@erols.com>...
> :Dear Friends:
> :
> :I don't think so anyone of us is promoting a clanism here. The
> :question, is there any possibility that Somalia's problems can be solved
> :in a clan basis (conflict resolution)? If not, what ulternatives you
> :can offer, I mean those of you who are against clan politics? Any
> :political Model in mind?
>
> Xal: Diinta Islaamka. Diintu way dhamaytiran tahay dhan walba sidaas
> awgeed xalka aan ka dooranlahaa waa DIINTA.
C/Fataax,
I have no problem with that, but the question is how to get
there? I don't believe that Prophet Mohamed (BPUH) made a coup d'e-tat
against all Arab Tribes. His strategy was win the souls and hearts of
many Boudiwin Arabs who hated each other passionately!
>
> : I find aslo very difficult to comprehend when
> :many Somali intellectuals argue that clanism has destroyed Somali
> :Nation. How come? can we draw the line between clans and the
> :politicians who used CLANISM for their end?
>
> Mudane Farah, Ma rabo in aan su'aal kugu soo celiyo. sida:
> "War soow uma haysid in dadka siyaasad qabiil ay isku dileen?" iyo
> su'aalo la mid ah. Maxaa yeelay waan ogahay in aad ka *jawaabaysid*
Kuguma raacsani, Soomalidu qabiil iskuma dilin. Waxaa isku diray rag
dantooda keliya uun eeganaya. Sidiisaba dagaalku sababo badan ayuu ku
dhici karaa, ha ugu yaraato iyadoo qof si xun kuu eego ka dibna aad
labada indhood fujisid. Dagaalkiinu intuu socdona waxay ku xidhan tahay
xaaladda markaas la joogo!
>
> Qabyaaladda (clanism) waxay ka mid tahay hababkii ugu horeeyey ee
> la isku maamuli ama abaabuli jiray, waagii nolosha aadmigu joogtay
> heerka bilowga ah, ee baadiyaha iyo baadiyo xigeenka lagu noolaa.
> Habkaasna wuxuu ahaa qaab iskaashi iyo iska warhayn ah. Sidaasna
> waxay ahayd si fiican: si aan sida dugaaga keli-keli kaynta loogu kala
> firdhan ayaa intii isku dhiig ama deegaan ahi is urursan jirtay, magacna
> la bixi jirtay (sida magacyada qabiilada maanta) xeer ay isku maamushana
Aad ayaan kuugu khilaafsanahay rayigan, qabiilka waddamada adduunka ugu
hore marsan ayaan ku dhaqma oo Maraykanku ka mid yahay. In kasta oo
siday ugu dhaqmaan iyo habka Soomaalidu ugu dhaqanto ay kala duwan
yihiin, waa wax ruuxa America muddo badan joogay fahmi karo. Tuusaale
fiicanna waxaad u soo qaadan kartaa "O.J. Simson Case," iyo sidii loogu
qabsamay.
>
> Qabiil walbana wuxuu ahaa mujtamac kuwa kale ka soocan oo leh degaan
> u gaar ah iyo hanti ka dhaxaysa. Xubnaha qabiilka ma kala nolol sarayn,
> waxayna
> ahaayeen dad wax wada qabsada isku dan iyo isku dareena ah.
> Faa'iidadii mid u soo baxda kan kale wax buu ku lahaa.
> Xagga shaqada: xoolaha, qodoshada iyo difaaca cadawga
> way iskaashan jireen iyagoo wadajir ah
>
> Habkaas dadka isku maamuli jiray, dadka qaarkiinsna ay *siyaasad*
> ku magacaabaan wuxuu ku haboonaa bulsho hore.
>
C/fataax, habkaas dad badani u arkaan "primitive-ka" amaba hab hore, way
ku adag tahay in waddamo badan oo horey u maray ku dhaqmi karaan. Hal
tusaale, ka soo qaad in maanta Ciidama Maraykan (including police) ay
kulligood shaqada joojiyaan muddo 7 sanadood ah. Maxaa dhici lahaa baad
u malaynaysaa? Maxaa Xeer iyo xal u noqon lahaa? Maxaa lagu xallin
lahaa dilka, dhaca, iyo falalka xun xun ee dadka qaarkiis la soo
baxaan. Yaynaan laba isku qasin Dagaal dhacay ama "disorder" iyo dunta
iyo dhaqanka wanaagsan ee aadanahuhu hiddaha u leeyihiin Sida
Soomaalida, kaas oo awood u siiya inay xalliyaan dhibaatooyin badan oo
aanay u suurto gasheen dadyowga "hore u maray."
> Sababta:
>
> Qaranimada waxaa keenay baahi soo baxday markii saldhigii nolosha
> bulshadu heerkaas ka horumaray, maagaalooyin waaweyn la dagay
> qaabxiriirkii bulshada isrogay, qabiiil walba dadkiisii kala fur-furmay
> xag deggaan iyo xag heer nololeedba.
> Sidoo kale iscaawintii yaraatay, qof walba dantiisii raacday. Dawladbaa
> meesha soo gashay, si ay u haqabtirto baahibulshadeedka soo baxay
> maadaama xeerkii qabiil u yiilay uu qilaafay kii kale. Fikradda qabiiliga
> lagama adkaan in kastoo dadku ay *dawlad* samaysteen.............??.?
Haddii aad maanta akhrisatid waxyaabo badan oo looga hadlo nolosha
ijtimaaciga ah sida: Anthropology, Sociology, psychology, iyo wixii la
mid ah, waxay dhammaantood ku tusinayaan in dhaqanka aadanuhu weli aanu
ka maqnayn nolosha teedii hore iyo tan cusuba. Dadku iyaga oo qabiil ku
dhaqma horumar way gaadhi karaan, sida qoloda Khaliijka oo weli xataa
nidaamkoodu aad qabiil ugu dhisan yahay. Sidaas darteed kuma doodi karno
ummad qabiil ku dhaqantaa horumar ma gaadhi karto ama waxay ka hadhay
ummadaha intoodii kale!
>
> Mudane: Waxay xaqiiqdu tahay in fikradaad soo jeedisay ay aad iyo aad
> ugu dhawdahay xaqiiqda maanta taagan fagaaraha (Soomaaliya) , tan aan aniga
> ka hadlayna ay "riyo" u egtahay.
Soomaaliya falal aad u xun ayaa ka dhacay, sidaas darteed Soomaalidu
waxay u baahan yahay in sida ugu habboon oo aanooyinkaas lagu bogsiin
karo ay falowgeeda qabtaan..kuna wada hadlaan luqad ay isla fahmi
karaan.!!!!!!!!!
>
> ...Waa hagaag.. Fikradaada xaqiiqda ayey u dhawdahay oo kaliya kuma meel
> marayso, waxa ugu mihiimsan ee laga cabiri karaa waa ma soconaysaa..??
C/Fataax, fikradaydu meelo badan oo Soomaaliya ka mid ah ayey ka
socotay, waana socon doontaa. Kuwa fikradaha sirta ah jeebka ku wata ee
aan soo bandhigayna waxaan leeyahay....."ciyigii waa ka beryey ninkii
cunay baa ka liita."
Regards
Faarax
Abdi Daud
>Subject: Re: Darood Unity
>From: "Ahmed Barre" <Yas...@direct.ca>
>Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 17:57 EST
>Message-id: <01bd4f95$e14419e0$76f8aecc@barre>
Wagareey.... waar ninku muxuu yidhi:
Ha gaadhee ha gaadhee, the man can't hide his conviction?!!. I doubt it pay
off. Ina Barrow, You have to know that you and likes have only your tongue's
and wadaadis has manhaj and people. Enjoy it.
Morever, your warlord siyaasiyiin's, neither had manhaj nor real people.
They've Amhara, Italian and punch of thugs like them. Finally, I wish if you
put behind the old afwayne rhetoric motto in peace 'Wadaadis is made in Arabia"
as Arab has hands to make ideas. Also, do not miss out to remember, neither
Jesus nor Musse had preached different tenent of usuul al-diin or differ much
of it's branchs if you recall your early collection in Islam..
Ina Da'ud
Cabdifataax
Farah Mohamed skrev i meddelandet <350B79...@erols.com>...
:Cabdifataax wrote:
:>
:> Farah Mohamed skrev i meddelandet <350A3A...@erols.com>...
:> :Dear Friends:
:> :
:> :I don't think so anyone of us is promoting a clanism here. The
:> :question, is there any possibility that Somalia's problems can be solved
:> :in a clan basis (conflict resolution)? If not, what ulternatives you
:> :can offer, I mean those of you who are against clan politics? Any
:> :political Model in mind?
:>
:> Xal: Diinta Islaamka. Diintu way dhamaytiran tahay dhan walba sidaas
:> awgeed xalka aan ka dooranlahaa waa DIINTA.
:
:C/Fataax,
: I have no problem with that, but the question is how to get
:there? I don't believe that Prophet Mohamed (BPUH) made a coup d'e-tat
:against all Arab Tribes. His strategy was win the souls and hearts of
:many Boudiwin Arabs who hated each other passionately!
Mudane Farah: Waxaad iila muuqataa qof diinta iga badiya, markaan
aqriyo raaca kor ku xusan. Hadana laba canleenaaya, Sida "shanteeda
waqti waa tukanaa laakiin dawlad diini ah dhibaato iguma hayso"
(It is Ok for me etc); waa taageeraaya ha la sameeyo; Yaa sameeynaaya
Aniga iyo kuwaad ka badisid diinta ?
Sida lagu sameynayo dawalad Islaamiya? Qabiil aan faa'iido laga keeninba
waa la waday ilaa muddo waana *OGAANAY* inuu soconayn si kasta uu
waji cusub ula yimaado.Qofka madaxda laga dhigo dawlad qabiili ah,
waxaa uu markasta eegayaa dantiisa iyo danta qabiilkiisa ama qabiilada
xiga kiisa (adna waa ku raacsantahay!)
Sidoo kale, markasta waxaa jirta halis in dagaal qabiil dhaco, maxaa yeelay
sharciga dawlad qabiileed, fikrad qabiil buu ku salaysan yahay, qabiilada
kalena
ma rabaan (Taasna waxaad ku magacawday QOF dad isku diray ee ma aha qabiil)
Raali iga ahaaw in aan macduucii jawaabta ka leexday.
Dhisidda dawlad DIINTA laga maamulo waxay u baahantahay in bulshada dhan
is urursato (qabiilkaba waa tan aad leedahay aan is urusano) iyadoo haysata
xarigga Eebe (NOT clannish unity), markaasna Eebena wuu nugu garab galayaa.
Wixii dhacayna (dadkii la dilay, burburkii, agoontii la dhacay iwm) aan
Illaah
iyo maalinta QAYAAMO la sugno in nala kala garsooro.
Mudane sida kuu muuqata dhisid dawlad boggan ma lagu soo koobi karo, intaas
aan
kor ku xusan, waxay noqon *kartaa* bilowgii.
:>
:> : I find aslo very difficult to comprehend when
:> :many Somali intellectuals argue that clanism has destroyed Somali
:> :Nation. How come? can we draw the line between clans and the
:> :politicians who used CLANISM for their end?
:>
:> Mudane Farah, Ma rabo in aan su'aal kugu soo celiyo. sida:
:> "War soow uma haysid in dadka siyaasad qabiil ay isku dileen?" iyo
:> su'aalo la mid ah. Maxaa yeelay waan ogahay in aad ka *jawaabaysid*
:
:Kuguma raacsani, Soomalidu qabiil iskuma dilin. Waxaa isku diray rag
:dantooda keliya uun eeganaya.
Diidmo: Kuguma raacsani taas: waa ogaa in aad ka jawaabaysid :-(]
Waa jirtaa in *dad* (qabiil) ay isku direen bulshada.
Ogow in qabiilku yahay dad, sida, marka laga dhaho, "yaa tahay?" waxaad
leedahay qabiil hebel :-).
:Sidiisaba dagaalku sababo badan ayuu ku
:dhici karaa, ha ugu yaraato iyadoo qof si xun kuu eego ka dibna aad
:labada indhood fujisid.
Dagaalkii sokeeye ha ka dhigin kan suuqa dadka isku dagaalaan oo kale!
:Dagaalkiinu intuu socdona waxay ku xidhan tahay
:xaaladda markaas la joogo!
Waa maxay sharaxaaddan *cilmiyeysan* Faarax?
:>
:> Qabyaaladda (clanism) waxay ka mid tahay hababkii ugu horeeyey ee
:> la isku maamuli ama abaabuli jiray, waagii nolosha aadmigu joogtay
:> heerka bilowga ah, ee baadiyaha iyo baadiyo xigeenka lagu noolaa.
:> Habkaasna wuxuu ahaa qaab iskaashi iyo iska warhayn ah. Sidaasna
:> waxay ahayd si fiican: si aan sida dugaaga keli-keli kaynta loogu kala
:> firdhan ayaa intii isku dhiig ama deegaan ahi is urursan jirtay, magacna
:> la bixi jirtay (sida magacyada qabiilada maanta) xeer ay isku maamushana
:
:Aad ayaan kuugu khilaafsanahay rayigan, qabiilka waddamada adduunka ugu
:hore marsan ayaan ku dhaqma oo Maraykanku ka mid yahay. In kasta oo
:siday ugu dhaqmaan iyo habka Soomaalidu ugu dhaqanto ay kala duwan
:yihiin, waa wax ruuxa America muddo badan joogay fahmi karo.
Maadaama aan Maraykan daganayn waxaan u daayey jawaabteeda
dadka daggan xaggaas......****
Tuusaale
:fiicanna waxaad u soo qaadan kartaa "O.J. Simson Case," iyo sidii loogu
:qabsamay.
Your argument is very, very strange.
:
:> Qabiil walbana wuxuu ahaa mujtamac kuwa kale ka soocan oo leh degaan
:> u gaar ah iyo hanti ka dhaxaysa. Xubnaha qabiilka ma kala nolol sarayn,
:> waxayna
:> ahaayeen dad wax wada qabsada isku dan iyo isku dareena ah.
:> Faa'iidadii mid u soo baxda kan kale wax buu ku lahaa.
:> Xagga shaqada: xoolaha, qodoshada iyo difaaca cadawga
:> way iskaashan jireen iyagoo wadajir ah
:>
:> Habkaas dadka isku maamuli jiray, dadka qaarkiinsna ay *siyaasad*
:> ku magacaabaan wuxuu ku haboonaa bulsho hore.
:>
:
:C/fataax, habkaas dad badani u arkaan "primitive-ka" amaba hab hore, way
:ku adag tahay in waddamo badan oo horey u maray ku dhaqmi karaan.
Sababta: MAXAA YEELAY MA SOCONAYO!?
Hal
:tusaale, ka soo qaad in maanta Ciidama Maraykan (including police) ay
:kulligood shaqada joojiyaan muddo 7 sanadood ah. Maxaa dhici lahaa baad
:u malaynaysaa?
Dad iyo wadamo badan ayaa ka nasan lahaa hanjabaadooda.
: Maxaa Xeer iyo xal u noqon lahaa? Maxaa lagu xallin
:lahaa dilka, dhaca, iyo falalka xun xun ee dadka qaarkiis la soo
:baxaan. Yaynaan laba isku qasin Dagaal dhacay ama "disorder" iyo dunta
:iyo dhaqanka wanaagsan ee aadanahuhu hiddaha u leeyihiin Sida
:Soomaalida, kaas oo awood u siiya inay xalliyaan dhibaatooyin badan oo
:aanay u suurto gasheen dadyowga "hore u maray."
Mudane, adigaa waxaad u muuqataa in aad labo iyo in ka badan isku
qasaysid. Qabiil dun (hub) fiican haddii uu yahay, waan aragnay inta
uu naga dilay oo waa runtaa, dhibaataduu keenayna wuu xallin waayey..
:
:> Sababta:
:>
:> Qaranimada waxaa keenay baahi soo baxday markii saldhigii nolosha
:> bulshadu heerkaas ka horumaray, maagaalooyin waaweyn la dagay
:> qaabxiriirkii bulshada isrogay, qabiiil walba dadkiisii kala fur-furmay
:> xag deggaan iyo xag heer nololeedba.
:> Sidoo kale iscaawintii yaraatay, qof walba dantiisii raacday. Dawladbaa
:> meesha soo gashay, si ay u haqabtirto baahibulshadeedka soo baxay
:> maadaama xeerkii qabiil u yiilay uu qilaafay kii kale. Fikradda qabiiliga
:> lagama adkaan in kastoo dadku ay *dawlad* samaysteen.............??.?
:
:Haddii aad maanta akhrisatid waxyaabo badan oo looga hadlo nolosha
:ijtimaaciga ah sida: Anthropology, Sociology, psychology, iyo wixii la
:mid ah, waxay dhammaantood ku tusinayaan in dhaqanka aadanuhu weli aanu
:ka maqnayn nolosha teedii hore iyo tan cusuba. Dadku iyaga oo qabiil ku
:dhaqma horumar way gaadhi karaan, sida qoloda Khaliijka oo weli xataa
:nidaamkoodu aad qabiil ugu dhisan yahay. Sidaas darteed kuma doodi karno
:ummad qabiil ku dhaqantaa horumar ma gaadhi karto ama waxay ka hadhay
:ummadaha intoodii kale!
Qabiil soomaalida haddii ay ku heshiiso (taasoo ma dhacdo ah) horumar
ma gaarayso. Lafdhabarta qabiil waa: xasidnimo, dil, dhac, isku dir
shaxaad, turub, qaad, been, sheeko macno darro ah, faanin been ah.
adna waxaad tiri *dun fiican* oo horumar lagu gaari karo.
:
:
:>
:> Mudane: Waxay xaqiiqdu tahay in fikradaad soo jeedisay ay aad iyo aad
:> ugu dhawdahay xaqiiqda maanta taagan fagaaraha (Soomaaliya) , tan aan
aniga
:> ka hadlayna ay "riyo" u egtahay.
:
:Soomaaliya falal aad u xun ayaa ka dhacay, sidaas darteed Soomaalidu
:waxay u baahan yahay in sida ugu habboon oo aanooyinkaas lagu bogsiin
:karo ay falowgeeda qabtaan..kuna wada hadlaan luqad ay isla fahmi
:karaan.!!!!!!!!!
Taasoo ah luqad qabiil, oo la isku af fahmi waayey hadana, la isku af fahmi
karo laakiin intii isku qabiilka ah, hadday isku afgaran waysana ay isku
af-fahmi
karto intuu isku lafta ah, hadday isku af-fahmi waysana ay isku af-fahmi
karto
intii isku jilibka ah, haddii kalena intii isku waaxda ah, haddii kalena
intii isku
unugga ah: Haddii kalena nugu kala wada!!!!!!!
:
:
:>
:> ...Waa hagaag.. Fikradaada xaqiiqda ayey u dhawdahay oo kaliya kuma meel
:> marayso, waxa ugu mihiimsan ee laga cabiri karaa waa ma soconaysaa..??
:
:C/Fataax, fikradaydu meelo badan oo Soomaaliya ka mid ah ayey ka
:socotay, waana socon doontaa. Kuwa fikradaha sirta ah jeebka ku wata ee
:aan soo bandhigayna waxaan leeyahay....."ciyigii waa ka beryey ninkii
:cunay baa ka liita."
Fikradaada meelaha la isku dayey in ay ka socoto wareerka yaala haddaad
ogaan lahayd, *waad* la noqon lahayd :-)
Ciyiga (ilmaha) dhalandoona qofka raba inuu cuno ayaa ka liita
C/fataax
:Regards
Ahmed Barre
Ina Daud;
I didn't know that you are idiot up to a point where you missed the whole
idea behind my submital!. I thought that you were more smarter and more
intelligent than that!.But hey, you are a moron and a complete stupid. you
always cat-fight after everyone who writes any idea that challenges the
WAHABIS. Yet unfortunately, never ever you come up with a convincing
healthy debate. you offer only insult and argument. Many people who knows a
little about Islam respect you, simply, because they were led to believe
that you are Islamic scholar, but hey, I know what Idiot and fanatic
wahabi you are and that you know only bunch of Hadiths and numbered Ayas!.
So, please stop decieving the people in the name of islam.
I am asking those so-called WADAADS to come up with a draft of so-called
their manhaj, not an insult!, otherwise, they must keep their hands off
from the Somali poltics.
Abdi Daud <abdi...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980315081...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
Cabdifataax
Ahmed Barre skrev i meddelandet <01bd501d$f3713c00$6ef2e3cf@barre>...
:Ina Daud;
:I didn't know that you are idiot up to a point where you missed the whole
:idea behind my submital!. I thought that you were more smarter and more
:intelligent than that!.
And suddenly he become less smarter than you thought :-)
This is abusive and very, very low language specially someone
who has been in this n.g for while. It is either you do this deliberately
or you lost the judgment
:But hey, you are a moron and a complete stupid. you
:always cat-fight after everyone who writes any idea that challenges the
:WAHABIS.
You have to know different between challenging idea and insult.
:Yet unfortunately, never ever you come up with a convincing
:healthy debate.
How can someone debate when you cut off the issue by
Attacking the author or abusing his argument?
:you offer only insult and argument. Many people who knows a
:little about Islam respect you, simply, because they were led to believe
:that you are Islamic scholar,
I do respect every brother/sister who respects himself/herself and respects
others. Like that Ina Daud belongs those who remind us The Truth
capital Truth Barre. (Talking only what he often writes)
Your assumption and conclusion is another way to insult other members
Of this n.g.
:but hey, I know what Idiot and fanatic
:wahabi you are and that you know only bunch of Hadiths and numbered Ayas!.
I do remember your welcome massage to Ina Daud, after Ramadan you
asked him not harass other members who don't share his religious view.
Barre, too much hypocrisy, when you do same.
C/fataax
:So, please stop decieving the people in the name of islam.
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Abdi Daud
>Subject: Re: Darood Unity
>From: "Cabdifataax" <jaa...@student.swipnet.se>
>Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 11:42 EST
>Message-id: <889980126.589724@mn8>
Dear Abdifataax,
Assalamu Alaikum and well said. I'm in no were to respond his low language
remarks. I thought the brother was more reason than what he had uttered in high
trance. In any case, they fade and diminish when they challenged by truth
nothing but naked truth.
Jazakallhu Khayran for your stand.
Ina Da'ud
Farah Mohamed
C/fataax:
Somaalidu waxay ku maahmaahdaa i jiid aan ku jiidee jeenyo daalis weeye!
Waxaa ii muuqata inaynaan isku mawjad iska hadlayn. Waxaynu u kala
soconaa laba jid oo midna bari u socdo kan kalena galbeed! Aniga oo
jecel inaan doodayda soo gebo gebeeyo waxaan jecelahay inaan dhowr
arrimood taabto:
1) Anigu marna kama soo hor jeesan in Diinta wax lagu xukumo, su'aashaan
qabaa waxaa weeye dariiqee ayaa lagu gaadhayaa xukunkaas.
2) Sideedaba waxaa jiro dhawr dariiqo oo aadanaha lagu kontoroolo
(Social Control), waxaa ka mid ah a) human laws, dictatorship (fear and
terror), and Religion Laws. Each legal system has its own machenism, but
what they have all in common is "social monitor" and behavior control.
Taas macnaheedu maaha in ay caddaaladda ka siman yihiin, laakiin waxaa
kulligood fuliya shaqsiyaad bulshada ka mid ah.
Haddii aan u soo laabano, "wadaada" Soomaalida iyo doorka ay kaga jiraan
bulshada horumarkeeda gaar ahaan xagga siyaasadda iyo nabadaynta, waxaan
ila tahay inay cilladooda leeyihiin. Waxaana jirtey dhacdooyin badan oo
ay qabiil ku lug lahaayeen. Waxaana intooda badan ka maqan cilmiga
casriga oo wax lagu maamuli lahaa. Inay "nation" dhisaan waxaa uga weyn
to monitor each other and others. Many of these people have accussed
insensitive and lack of tolerance. I am not suggesting that all Ulumas
are in the same category, but you have to realize that this kind of
attitude had became liability against Islamists. The reason I have
raised this issue is..I felt (in your argument) you were using a
pre-conditioned social control strategy. Therefore, I have to cut you
off and stop you right there, because I don't want you to control my
mind and intellegince. When you are in a public debate, you don't have
to use religion as your driving "whip."
Farah
Cabdifataax
Farah Mohamed skrev i meddelandet <350CAD...@erols.com>...
:C/fataax:
:
:Somaalidu waxay ku maahmaahdaa i jiid aan ku jiidee jeenyo daalis weeye!
:
:Waxaa ii muuqata inaynaan isku mawjad iska hadlayn. Waxaynu u kala
:soconaa laba jid oo midna bari u socdo kan kalena galbeed!
Anagoo markii hore ogayn taas ayaan hadana mawduuca wadnay
Markaad tiri qabiilada markay isku tagaan ayey hishiintooda sahlantahay,
anna fikradayda ay ahayd in xalku kaas ahayn.
Ma moogayd in laba jiho aan u kala soconay?
Tiiyoy jirto, ayaan hadana mudane wax isla meel dhigi karnaa. Oo hawsheena
ma aheen hal bacaad lagu lisay.
Aniga oo
:jecel inaan doodayda soo gebo gebeeyo waxaan jecelahay inaan dhowr
:arrimood taabto:
:
:1) Anigu marna kama soo hor jeesan in Diinta wax lagu xukumo, su'aashaan
:qabaa waxaa weeye dariiqee ayaa lagu gaadhayaa xukunkaas.
:
:2) Sideedaba waxaa jiro dhawr dariiqo oo aadanaha lagu kontoroolo
:(Social Control), waxaa ka mid ah a) human laws, dictatorship (fear and
:terror), and Religion Laws. Each legal system has its own machenism, but
:what they have all in common is "social monitor" and behavior control.
:Taas macnaheedu maaha in ay caddaaladda ka siman yihiin, laakiin waxaa
:kulligood fuliya shaqsiyaad bulshada ka mid ah.
I am very impressed to your "social control" knowledge
But I don't see where it fits in this subject.
:Haddii aan u soo laabano, "wadaada" Soomaalida iyo doorka ay kaga jiraan
:bulshada horumarkeeda gaar ahaan xagga siyaasadda iyo nabadaynta, waxaan
:ila tahay inay cilladooda leeyihiin. Waxaana jirtey dhacdooyin badan oo
:ay qabiil ku lug lahaayeen.
Mudane, firkadaas aniga waa kula qabaa. Sida kuu muuqata qabiilka
dadka oo dhan wuu saamaynayaa. Aad ayaan ugu faraxsanayahay in
qabiilka adiga xitaa aad cillad u aragtay.
:Waxaana intooda badan ka maqan cilmiga
:casriga oo wax lagu maamuli lahaa.
"Casriga" :-) Yuu ku jiraa cilmigaas.
Ah, Qabiil oon casri ahayn waa tii la yiri wax ha lagu maamulo!
:Inay "nation" dhisaan waxaa uga weyn
:to monitor each other and others. Many of these people have accussed
:insensitive and lack of tolerance.
Back to the old game, to be frank with you, those who accuse
the wadaads of being insensitive and lack of tolerance are just
imitating the wicked campaign of targeted media.(unless they bring a proof)
Our religion teaches us tolerance and to be kind each other.
If a learned person does not follow that, the is no need to point the finger
to the all wadaads. Don't you see these generalizations?
:I am not suggesting that all Ulumas
:are in the same category, but you have to realize that this kind of
:attitude had became liability against Islamists. The reason I have
:raised this issue is..I felt (in your argument) you were using a
:pre-conditioned social control strategy. Therefore, I have to cut you
:off and stop you right there,
This is cryptic massage "pre-conditioned social control strategy"
and I don't have the key, so please, would you clarify the *meaning*
I will not respond to your thread if you wish.
I am very sorry, you are changing the argument completely !:!:!
As I said before it is very, very strange.
: because I don't want you to control my
:mind and intellegince.
I think this was supposed to be the speech of sect victim not
clannish defender.
:When you are in a public debate, you don't have
:to use religion as your driving "whip."
Thank you for your feedback.
Don't use clannish *whip* for your weak argument in this public forum.
C/fataax
:Farah
Farah Mohamed
Cabdifataax wrote:
>
> Farah Mohamed skrev i meddelandet <350CAD...@erols.com>...
> :C/fataax:
> :
> :Somaalidu waxay ku maahmaahdaa i jiid aan ku jiidee jeenyo daalis weeye!
> :
> :Waxaa ii muuqata inaynaan isku mawjad iska hadlayn. Waxaynu u kala
> :soconaa laba jid oo midna bari u socdo kan kalena galbeed!
>
> Anagoo markii hore ogayn taas ayaan hadana mawduuca wadnay
> Markaad tiri qabiilada markay isku tagaan ayey hishiintooda sahlantahay,
> anna fikradayda ay ahayd in xalku kaas ahayn.
> Ma moogayd in laba jiho aan u kala soconay?
> Tiiyoy jirto, ayaan hadana mudane wax isla meel dhigi karnaa. Oo hawsheena
> ma aheen hal bacaad lagu lisay.
Mudane Cabdifataax, Soomaalidu waxay ku maahmaahdaa "nin ay meeli u
caddahay meeli ka madow." It seems to me you took my argument out of
context for your own good! To make it clear it again, I have never
agrued that CLANISM is good or its a better way to govern a society. My
argument has been all along.."based on present condition in Somalia,
traditional Somali mediation is the key to the puzzle.
>
> Aniga oo :jecel inaan doodayda soo gebo gebeeyo waxaan jecelahay inaan dhowr
> :arrimood taabto:
> :
> :1) Anigu marna kama soo hor jeesan in Diinta wax lagu xukumo, su'aashaan
> :qabaa waxaa weeye dariiqee ayaa lagu gaadhayaa xukunkaas.
> :
> :2) Sideedaba waxaa jiro dhawr dariiqo oo aadanaha lagu kontoroolo
> :(Social Control), waxaa ka mid ah a) human laws, dictatorship (fear and
> :terror), and Religion Laws. Each legal system has its own machenism, but
> :what they have all in common is "social monitor" and behavior control.
> :Taas macnaheedu maaha in ay caddaaladda ka siman yihiin, laakiin waxaa
> :kulligood fuliya shaqsiyaad bulshada ka mid ah.
>
> I am very impressed to your "social control" knowledge
> But I don't see where it fits in this subject.
Its very clear to me, that you have made many attempts to characterize
me "what I am not." This is what I call: "psychological harrassment!
>
> :Haddii aan u soo laabano, "wadaada" Soomaalida iyo doorka ay kaga jiraan
> :bulshada horumarkeeda gaar ahaan xagga siyaasadda iyo nabadaynta, waxaan
> :ila tahay inay cilladooda leeyihiin. Waxaana jirtey dhacdooyin badan oo
> :ay qabiil ku lug lahaayeen.
>
> Mudane, firkadaas aniga waa kula qabaa. Sida kuu muuqata qabiilka
> dadka oo dhan wuu saamaynayaa. Aad ayaan ugu faraxsanayahay in
> qabiilka adiga xitaa aad cillad u aragtay.
Marna kuma doodin inaanu qabiilku cillad ahayn.
>
> :Waxaana intooda badan ka maqan cilmiga
> :casriga oo wax lagu maamuli lahaa.
>
> "Casriga" :-) Yuu ku jiraa cilmigaas.
> Ah, Qabiil oon casri ahayn waa tii la yiri wax ha lagu maamulo!
Marna kuma doodin in cilmigu koox keligeed ah ku jiro, laakiin waxaa
dhibaato ah in koox yar oo bulshada ka tirsani isu aragto, inay cilmi-if
iyo-aakhiroba isku filan tahay!
>
> :Inay "nation" dhisaan waxaa uga weyn
> :to monitor each other and others. Many of these people have accussed
> :insensitive and lack of tolerance.
>
> Back to the old game, to be frank with you, those who accuse
> the wadaads of being insensitive and lack of tolerance are just
> imitating the wicked campaign of targeted media.(unless they bring a proof)
> Our religion teaches us tolerance and to be kind each other.
> If a learned person does not follow that, the is no need to point the finger
> to the all wadaads. Don't you see these generalizations?
I apologize, if I used any generalization, however, many people don't
practice what our religion teaches us---whether they are "wadaadis" or
not.
>
> :I am not suggesting that all Ulumas
> :are in the same category, but you have to realize that this kind of
> :attitude had became liability against Islamists. The reason I have
> :raised this issue is..I felt (in your argument) you were using a
> :pre-conditioned social control strategy. Therefore, I have to cut you
> :off and stop you right there,
>
> This is cryptic massage "pre-conditioned social control strategy"
> and I don't have the key, so please, would you clarify the *meaning*
> I will not respond to your thread if you wish.
> I am very sorry, you are changing the argument completely !:!:!
> As I said before it is very, very strange.
May be I am changing "the argument," but you are too..very cleverly
changing my words.
>
> : because I don't want you to control my
> :mind and intellegince.
>
> I think this was supposed to be the speech of sect victim not
> clannish defender.
I don't have to say anything about this statement, you went back your
old ways of psychological harrasmennt.
>
> :When you are in a public debate, you don't have
> :to use religion as your driving "whip."
>
> Thank you for your feedback.
> Don't use clannish *whip* for your weak argument in this public forum.
I don't wanna seem ignorant and call your whole argument "weak," but for
the sake for the "argument" don't personize our debate!
Farah
>
> C/fataax
>
> :Farah
Cabdifataax
Farah Mohamed skrev i meddelandet <350E02...@erols.com>...
:Cabdifataax wrote:
:>
:> Farah Mohamed skrev i meddelandet <350CAD...@erols.com>...
:> :C/fataax:
:> :
:> :Somaalidu waxay ku maahmaahdaa i jiid aan ku jiidee jeenyo daalis weeye!
:> :
:> :Waxaa ii muuqata inaynaan isku mawjad iska hadlayn. Waxaynu u kala
:> :soconaa laba jid oo midna bari u socdo kan kalena galbeed!
:>
:> Anagoo markii hore ogayn taas ayaan hadana mawduuca wadnay
:> Markaad tiri qabiilada markay isku tagaan ayey hishiintooda sahlantahay,
:> anna fikradayda ay ahayd in xalku kaas ahayn.
:> Ma moogayd in laba jiho aan u kala soconay?
:> Tiiyoy jirto, ayaan hadana mudane wax isla meel dhigi karnaa. Oo
hawsheena
:> ma aheen hal bacaad lagu lisay.
:
:Mudane Cabdifataax, Soomaalidu waxay ku maahmaahdaa "nin ay meeli u
:caddahay meeli ka madow." It seems to me you took my argument out of
:context for your own good! To make it clear it again, I have never
:agrued that CLANISM is good or its a better way to govern a society. My
:argument has been all along.."based on present condition in Somalia,
:traditional Somali mediation is the key to the puzzle.
Mudane Farah: Waa kugu raacsanahay in fikradaada ay u dhawdahay marxaladda
Soomaaliya, sidoo kale waxaan falan qaynin waxa dhici kara haddii la
hirgaliyo, waxaadna tahay mudane qof aan fikradiisa aad iyo aad u
qiimaynayo.
Ula jeedadayda MARNABA ma ahayn in aan mawduuca u leexsho dhankayga.
:> Aniga oo :jecel inaan doodayda soo gebo gebeeyo waxaan jecelahay inaan
dhowr
:> :arrimood taabto:
:> :
:> :1) Anigu marna kama soo hor jeesan in Diinta wax lagu xukumo, su'aashaan
:> :qabaa waxaa weeye dariiqee ayaa lagu gaadhayaa xukunkaas.
:> :
:> :2) Sideedaba waxaa jiro dhawr dariiqo oo aadanaha lagu kontoroolo
:> :(Social Control), waxaa ka mid ah a) human laws, dictatorship (fear and
:> :terror), and Religion Laws. Each legal system has its own machenism, but
:> :what they have all in common is "social monitor" and behavior control.
:> :Taas macnaheedu maaha in ay caddaaladda ka siman yihiin, laakiin waxaa
:> :kulligood fuliya shaqsiyaad bulshada ka mid ah.
:>
:> I am very impressed to your "social control" knowledge
:> But I don't see where it fits in this subject.
:
:Its very clear to me, that you have made many attempts to characterize
:me "what I am not." This is what I call: "psychological harrassment!
Dear brother, It was not my intention to cause irritation or harassment
I deeply apologize.
:> :Haddii aan u soo laabano, "wadaada" Soomaalida iyo doorka ay kaga jiraan
:> :bulshada horumarkeeda gaar ahaan xagga siyaasadda iyo nabadaynta, waxaan
:> :ila tahay inay cilladooda leeyihiin. Waxaana jirtey dhacdooyin badan oo
:> :ay qabiil ku lug lahaayeen.
:>
:> Mudane, firkadaas aniga waa kula qabaa. Sida kuu muuqata qabiilka
:> dadka oo dhan wuu saamaynayaa. Aad ayaan ugu faraxsanayahay in
:> qabiilka adiga xitaa aad cillad u aragtay.
:
:Marna kuma doodin inaanu qabiilku cillad ahayn.
:
:>
:> :Waxaana intooda badan ka maqan cilmiga
:> :casriga oo wax lagu maamuli lahaa.
:>
:> "Casriga" :-) Yuu ku jiraa cilmigaas.
:> Ah, Qabiil oon casri ahayn waa tii la yiri wax ha lagu maamulo!
:
:Marna kuma doodin in cilmigu koox keligeed ah ku jiro, laakiin waxaa
:dhibaato ah in koox yar oo bulshada ka tirsani isu aragto, inay cilmi-if
:iyo-aakhiroba isku filan tahay!
Ma u malaynayo in ay jirto koox yar oo kaligeed wax qaban karta
cilmi ku filana leh (marka laga hadlayo in nabad la gaaro ama waddan la
dhiso)
:> :Inay "nation" dhisaan waxaa uga weyn
:> :to monitor each other and others. Many of these people have accussed
:> :insensitive and lack of tolerance.
:>
:> Back to the old game, to be frank with you, those who accuse
:> the wadaads of being insensitive and lack of tolerance are just
:> imitating the wicked campaign of targeted media.(unless they bring a
proof)
:> Our religion teaches us tolerance and to be kind each other.
:> If a learned person does not follow that, the is no need to point the
finger
:> to the all wadaads. Don't you see these generalizations?
:
:I apologize, if I used any generalization, however, many people don't
:practice what our religion teaches us---whether they are "wadaadis" or
:not.
That is true.
:>
:> :I am not suggesting that all Ulumas
:> :are in the same category, but you have to realize that this kind of
:> :attitude had became liability against Islamists. The reason I have
:> :raised this issue is..I felt (in your argument) you were using a
:> :pre-conditioned social control strategy. Therefore, I have to cut you
:> :off and stop you right there,
:>
:> This is cryptic massage "pre-conditioned social control strategy"
:> and I don't have the key, so please, would you clarify the *meaning*
:> I will not respond to your thread if you wish.
:> I am very sorry, you are changing the argument completely !:!:!
:> As I said before it is very, very strange.
:
:May be I am changing "the argument," but you are too..very cleverly
:changing my words.
Some time it is necessary to be more objective, thus I felt it is
helpful to examine and develop some of your key words (since we don't
have any references)
But don't you see we are heading to never ending circle?
:> : because I don't want you to control my
:> :mind and intellegince.
:>
:> I think this was supposed to be the speech of sect victim not
:> clannish defender.
:
:I don't have to say anything about this statement, you went back your
:old ways of psychological harrasmennt.
You accused me some thing, which is behind the scope of this argument
I commented sincerely about your assumption.
But here counts the way you understood IT, I apologize
Please, let us stay the main subject
> :When you are in a public debate, you don't have
:> :to use religion as your driving "whip."
:>
:> Thank you for your feedback.
:> Don't use clannish *whip* for your weak argument in this public forum.
:
:I don't wanna seem ignorant and call your whole argument "weak," but for
:the sake for the "argument" don't personize our debate!
Mudane Farah: "weak argument" Eraygaas aan iri aad ayaan uga xumahay
sidaas awgeed waa la noqday eraygaas.
{1) Anigu marna kama soo hor jeesan in Diinta wax lagu xukumo, su'aashaan
{ qabaa waxaa weeye dariiqee ayaa lagu gaadhayaa xukunkaas.
Insha Allah, waa kaaga soo jawaabi doonaa su'aashaas
C/fataax
:Farah
:
:>
:> C/fataax
:>
:> :Farah
Ahmed Barre
AbdiFatah;
I am really sorry that you are carrying your anger to a wrong guy. I would
like to tell you that I am not the BARRE whom you are talking about. To
prove that, I didn't write any message after Ramadan to ina Daud. And I
doubt if I ever had a welcome message in Ramadan. May be you are so
confused!!. Anyway, I can imagine how a student can be stressed out usually
at this time of the year!. Thus, I will assume that whatever you said about
me, may be, you first intended to that other BARRE who is hopefully the"
bad guy" and the "hypocrite!!!!"
But hey, if you really meant to this Barre, man, let me tell you in
trouble!--big one! This Barre is so dangerous that he can give you REAL
KNOCK OUT in the first round of the fight!!. To prove that, ask your
cousin, AKHUUKA FI LAAHI, and YOUR MAWLANA, Ina Daud, how I gave his knock
out after had I landed ONE GOOD LEFT HOOK and only TWO JABS on his
grumpy-looking face in the first round of the fight. And also ask him how
he fell flat on his back, crying the ref to help!!!! .If that is not
enough, then ask him how he glanced the audience when he was lying on
floor, looking like "SAC DUQ oo abaarsadey".
Ask him after that fight how he (Ina Daud) told to his WAHABIS fans that
the NASRULAAHI was not available that day, for some mysterious reason.
If all that above DALIILS didn't make you convinced that attacking this
BARRE is like committing a suicide, then I am sorry that I have no choice
but to land two "left hooks" and one of "open up" of THe IRON MIKE'S on
your REER WAQOOYI-looking face!!. See you soon in the ring.
Cabdifataax <jaa...@student.swipnet.se> wrote in article
<889980126.589724@mn8>...
Cabdifataax
Ahmed Barre skrev i meddelandet <01bd52d4$978d34c0$21faaecc@barre>...
:AbdiFatah;
[......snipped denial without proof....]
:But hey, if you really meant to this Barre, man, let me tell you in
:trouble!--big one! This Barre is so dangerous that he can give you REAL
:KNOCK OUT in the first round of the fight!!.
Yow! Barre, whick boxing magazine do you feed, ringside, boxingillustration
Knockout. You see the term you learn is applicable everywhere :-)
To prove that, ask your
:cousin, AKHUUKA FI LAAHI, and YOUR MAWLANA, Ina Daud, how I gave his knock
:out after had I landed ONE GOOD LEFT HOOK and only TWO JABS on his
:grumpy-looking face in the first round of the fight
My cousin has indeed an iron chaw, besides he belongs real heavyweights
not amateurs who like to stay the ringside. If you know what I mean real
"shuffle"
. And also ask him how
:he fell flat on his back, crying the ref to help!!!! .If that is not
:enough, then ask him how he glanced the audience when he was lying on
:floor, looking like "SAC DUQ oo abaarsadey".
I asked him, he said the man is not a boxer, he is ringannouncer
Who is equipped with a low quality of language
:Ask him after that fight how he (Ina Daud) told to his WAHABIS fans that
:the NASRULAAHI was not available that day, for some mysterious reason.
I don't push you to the corner when it comes the faith.
But you have to learn how to say sorry when your punch lands
under the belt
:If all that above DALIILS didn't make you convinced that attacking this
:BARRE is like committing a suicide, then I am sorry that I have no choice
:but to land two "left hooks" and one of "open up" of THe IRON MIKE'S on
:your REER WAQOOYI-looking face!!.
Sometimes you have a good imagination when it comes the appearance.
Take care your self and don't bite the ear of the Realdeals.
That may end up your "writing" career.
:See you soon in the ring.
You mean featherweight against the blast from past
Does the boxingcouncil of your state allow you?
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Habib Abdi
This is for the self proclaimed "Champ", Ahmed Barre: What on earth is
wrong with what you termed as "Reer Waqooyi" looking face, and how do you tell it from other faces, like non-Reer Waqooyi looking faces, is it any uglier or meaner looking, or is it both? Please, do clarify it, and I mean, do clarify it wi
thout resorting to name calling for a change, alright? I know asking you this question may very well have the potential of making me the next recepient of your, now, world famous left jab, or worse yet, your ever popular knockout punch. B
ut, if that is what it takes, for me, to find out what is behind your, seemingly, out of controll urge to bad mouth a whole segment of our society, particularly, those living in northern part of our country, believe me, I am more than ready
and willing to take any kind of punch, you may have in store for me. So, as they say in Las Vegas, let us all get reaaaaaaaaaady to ruuuuuuuuuuuumble.
--
Nabaadiino,
Habib Abdi
Ahmed Barre
Dear Habib;
You made me laugh when you said " IS REER WAQOOYI face uglier or meaner
than other Somali faces?" . But man, I didn't say that.
Please, don't put me into trouble!. No sane person will pick on REER
WAQOOYI cos doing that is like inviting an endless war. Don't you know that
those Northern have a bizarre thinking on the subjects of fight and brave?;
I mean, they fight back too much. They will lose everything for the defense
of the so-called the dignity of DURIYADA.
HEY, I only meant that Abdifatah is REER WAQOOYI. did you understand ? it
was only description. END OF THE STORY.
Habib Abdi <br...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article
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Habib Abdi
Ahmed Barre,
Beleive me, you are, already, doing such a fine job yourself, that
you don't need me or anybody else for that matter, to put you into
trouble. Furthermore, It is you who is contradicting yourself every time you
open your mouth, and whenever get cought lying red handed, try to change the
story, by saying things like, I didn't mean it this way, or it was taken
out of context. Apparently, you can't fool everyone here, and some of us
could easily sense your sinister tone when you utter such words as Reer
Waqooyi looking face, and we certainly know that you are not descriping
someone who happens to be from Northern Somalia. But, even if we take your
word for it, and assume that was the case, why then, continue stereotyping
the
people from the North in your very next article, by writing remarks like this:
"Don't you know that those Northern have a bizarre thinking on the subject
of fighth and brave?" And what did you mean by it? Please don't tell me,
this was only meant to be a some kind of compliment.
--
Nabaadiino,
Habib Abdi
agu...@hotmail.com
I have seen duff titles on this board in the past but this seems to be the
duffest of them all. Whoever dreamed up this title is bringing a disrepute to
this parliament, our parliament.
agulled
Ahmed Barre
So you said I am already in trouble!, and REER WAQOOYI and I are already at
war. I can't believe you; you are lying cos REER WAQOOYI and I are some
kind of very close relatives. You may say how? but let me tell you that my
grandma's neighbor 's uncle and one old friend of mine's brother- in-law
are both Northern. They are such close relative of ours that we sometimes
get together and just chill out.
On the top of that, We get a long just fine and we never had "wax belaayo
galid ah". We only had one slight event one time late at night when the
neighbor's uncle suggested that "Sagaaradu waa cabtaa" and suddenly the
brother-inlaw strongly disagreed saying "NO way that Sagaardu u cabtaa".
And after that, for a reason that known only to God, there was such a small
fight that lasted for ever.
That is only thing convinced me that these Northern are so brave creatures
that they can be at war each other "ilaa yawmidiin", for no good reason.
So my dear friend Habib, now you see how much I love, admire, and respect
these crazy Northern brothers of mine.
I think you are belong to the "Naar" that you want to set up against me and
my dear brothers.
But you know what? they more intelligent than you, and soon they will they
figure out who are you and all your motives. please Stop namiimiyanimada
Habbiiboow.
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Brother please don't be disrespectful, cause you know and I
know who and what Somalilanders are!You know they are more
recourcefull than any other that is why they have a government
and the rest are just there living in chaos! We both know that
they are diligent people who don't take nonsense from no one.
So brother stop your stereotypical propaganda, cause it doesn't
give you the right to make any kind of judgements just because
you are related. So let me tell you one thing before I
disclose my disposition I think you are here just to make
chaos. Brother let yourself come out of the smoke and come out
in to the open where you can be perceived more clearly!
That is the way I see it! Peace, and blessing all.
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Habib Abdi
Ahmed Barre,
First of all, whether I belong to Naar or not, is not for you to
decide. That is for the Lord, and Him alone. Second, you sort of
remind me those red neck white folks, who despite their prejudice
against other races, always claim things like, I am not a racist and I
have a couple of black friends to prove it. Much like the bunch of
your Northern friends and neighbours. So, you see, Ahmed, both you
and those red necks, have one thing in common, and that is, neither of
you have the guts to face and accept the fact that you are prejudice
against other people who happen to be different.
By the way, did I hear you say, you haveq a great deal of
admiration and respect for your Northern brothers? If you do, you,
certainly, have a funny way of showing it in your writings.
"Ahmed Barre"
--
Nabaadiino,
Habib Abdi
Ahmed Barre
Habbib Abdi,
Your argument of white folks was kind of valid, and I laughed a lot when I
read it. But you are such a crazy creature that you want to die for no good
reason. For heave's sake, what on earth made you saying me I have no guts
to face that I am prejudice against REER WAQOOYI ?. Don't you know I can
punch a dozen of your subclan who are not real REER WAQOOYi, but the
amateurs of being reer waqooyi ?.
Coming soon is my declaration of war on you and all your subclan + your
ancient ancestors. War will be east, war will be south, war will be west,
and north. Everywhere will be war . I know that I will win cos I have
confidence in the victory!
But before the war, let me tell you something. Something that I am going to
prove why I love my crazy Northern brothers. You know I like poets and play
writers and how, for unknown reason, many poets are creative, imaginative,
daydreamers, and crazies. And also you know that REER WAQQOOYI have many
poets and daydreamers. Then what I am wondering is if there is any
correlation between being REER WAQOOYI and being daydreamer?. It is just a
wonder that I have been wondering for a while. That is why I sometimes also
wonder if somaliland is dreamland or real land?. May be I shouldn't being
politicizing the issue, but you know, I feel maybe it is of kind of true!!.
finally we are at war, not reer waqooyi, but you+your clan
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Habib Abdi
Ahmed Barre,
You know what? Most of what of you have written would have bothered me, if
you were what I would consider normal, sane, kind of person. But since, we
all know, you are not what one would cosider neither normal nor
sane, and you are, instead, the chronically disturbed humanbeing, we have come
to known, here in the cave, as Ahmed Barre, I will let you
off of the hook,
and get away with this. And, one more thing, please, do seek help to
rehabilitate that clan stricken mind of yours. Believe me, this is one of
the worst kind of desease one can suffer from, so please don't take it
lightly, and wait one more day to get the professional attention that you
so direly need. And always remember, the mind is a terrible thing to waste.
--
Nabaadiino,
Habib Abdi
Ahmed Barre
Habib;
So you are saying I am insane? only me?. Honestly speaking, I knew that I
am kind of crazy, but hey I think it is unfair to say I am the only one who
is belong to insane community. I thought we are all mad, and our only
difference is the style madness and the degree of madness.
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