SHAME FOR THE ABC NEWS PROGRAM 20/20!!!
Amina Mire
Dear brothers Mustfa and Azem:
I do not own T.V. so I have not seen the story at ABC. What I can tell
from these two responds as well as from others who have seen the
program, "weris" seems be a "confused" poor woman who does not know
what she is doing:
I have the following to ask for both of you:
1. Do you object Wersi's expression of pain and outrage because what this
barbaric surgical operation has done to her lif? 2. Do you agree with
her that its horrible practice but simply disagree with the way she
expressed her concerns and feelngis? 3. Do you think that female
circumcision as a good thing and as such you think that this particular
sister is rejecting her "culture" which including female genital mutilation?
Finally, it is interesting almost all the people who expressed
negative opinoin to Weris's action at ABC are men!
Sincerely,
Amina mire
Azim.. wrote:
: In article <5oj04r$9...@drn.zippo.com>, MUSTAFA says... > >TO: concerned somalis,
: > It was uncalled for ABC 20/20 news program to take >advantage for a
: valnearable, lost and confused(not being >capable of understanding who she is
: and where she is coming >from)person just to increse their rating. > A young
: woman who called herself Waris something was >interviewed on 20/20 last friday
: and the subject was >female circumcision in somalia. By listening to her I
: >concluded that she is a very sad,angry young woman who >blames all her sex
: problems toward somalis especially >men.Personally,i think she should pay a
: visit to a Egypt >and ask the pharaohs why did they created the so-called
: >female circumcision.Last time i checked,some of the >Egyptian pharaohs could
: although they are in heaven!!!!
: As I watched from Abc 20/20 friday night, I concluded that Waris is a confused
: lady.
: She doesn't have a culture of somali. She never said any positive things about
: our precious culture.
: She seems that having a Jazzer American fienca and being a model is getting out
: of somali culture.
: If she would have been doing something good for the somali people, she would
: have to educate and help our needy people.
: Regards
: Azim..
Mustafa Elmi
SISTER AMINA,
I am happy to hear from a woman,s pont of view about that program
althogh you didn't see the program.I don't like seeing any human bieng
feeling any pain;especially,the female circumcision practiced throght
the world..I
believe it should be abolished but it is going to take for awhile
because people need to be educated about how it cause both physical and
lasting emotional wounds to many women.
All in all, Waris is feeling pain obviously,but
she presented herself uninformed and undignified way.
take care....... M.Elmii
<l>sh...@webtv.net</>
bharat bhutani
Mustafa,
Do you know that female genital mutilation is a criminal act here Canada.
Thanks to the Canadian Parliament which made possible to dismantle this
barbaric bahaviours.
As student I do support and would like to invite Weris Derie to talk to us
here in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada about female genital mutilation. She is
indeed, an asset to Somalia and its People.
Your sexism language is uncalled. All she has done was to talk about the
effect of female genital mutilation. What is wrong with her opinion? Are
you saying that she is not your clan therefore, you don't like her because
of that fact. She is Somali and she has as much rights as you do to speak
about her mind.
I hope you will oppose this un-Islamic practices that your
family practices.
bharat bhutani
> As I watched from Abc 20/20 friday night, I concluded that Waris is a confused
> lady.
> She doesn't have a culture of somali. She never said any positive things about
> our precious culture.
> She seems that having a Jazzer American fienca and being a model is getting out
> of somali culture.
> If she would have been doing something good for the somali people, she would
> have to educate and help our needy people.
> Regards
> Azim..
What is your culture? A culture which is torturing a younger girls who are
unable to decide what they want in live. You don't see what Weris is
talking about because you just like your father who violates the rights of
his own daughter, your sister. Shame on you and Somalia?
You shouldn't be disappointed about your sister. She is a grow up woman
who is a star, that is, a Somali star. She is unlike other Stars because
they cause pain and suffering to their own people while Weris speaks about
the suffering of all Somali girls and African girls whose their parents
tortured them as young women own. What on Africa and Somalis? Shame on
you, too Aziz?
In my opinion, she is doing a wonderful job, by having the courage to
speak the effect of FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION means that she is indeed
educating the likes of you and others who oppose her on the basis of clan
rather than the real issues that she is indeed is devoting to her life.
Educating, informing, and assisting to empower the Somalis females.
That I call a Somali heroine.(sp)
Mohamed Ahmed M. Atto
Amina,
I haven't seen the story, but I am told that Weris was also pregnant
even though she was not married to the unborn child's father: "her boyfriend".
Now, if this is true, do you think that she should be the right person to
speak for the cause ?
As a Somali man, I think most Somali men were unable to speak against
this strange ritual, simply because they thought of it as being in the
domain of the opposite sex, I mean, it was always mothers doing the
thing to their daughters, and the son and father were not supposed to have
an opinion about it at all.
Call it a cultural dogma.
Of course I am aware that the problem is much deeper and more complicated than
that.
Maybe its my "conservative" upbringing or my suspicion about the commerce
driven two dimensional nature of TV stories or something, because it always
drives me crazy to hear about a Somali woman talking about her private
parts on TV, I mean, I don't mind watching nude women on TV, but a Somali
woman talking about her pussy on TV ? I don't know why, but I can't take
that ! :)
Personally, I think its people like you, Amina Mire, who should be speaking
for the cause against Female Cirmcision.
I am not going to call Female Genital Mutilation, because I don't think a
mother would want to mutilate her daughter.
> : As I watched from Abc 20/20 friday night, I concluded that Waris is a confused
> : lady.
> : She doesn't have a culture of somali. She never said any positive things about
> : our precious culture.
> : She seems that having a Jazzer American fienca and being a model is getting out
> : of somali culture.
> : If she would have been doing something good for the somali people, she would
> : have to educate and help our needy people.
>
>
> : Regards
> : Azim..
--
TZ
Salam SCS,
The Sharamuta Waris did nothing more than lie lie lie! If you payed
close attention to her interview you could easily detect the
fabrications in her story. She claimed that Somali women (all Somali
women) get sown up as youth, have babies, get sown up again, and
again...etc.... Now we all know that she is lying, but it is
unfortunate that the general American public will not know. So you
all should be prepared to be asked questions about this by your
American friends: "Oh, were you sown up in the desert as a baby? Can
you tell us all about it??" "What? I'm from the city you idiot!"
I have discussed her possible motives with a few people. Some believe
she did it for attention, i.e., to get her face out there; to be
famous like Iman. Others believe that she did it because she wants to
belong to a cause. Barbara Walters even asked her why she was doing
this and just by her response you could tell that she was a liar.
Well, I guess jazz music will do that to you.
What about her mother? Did she look happy to see her? Was it really
because she didn't have any children, or was it because she knew that
she was a Sharamuta convert?
Suggestions welcomed.
Nabad
Waryaa Amhar
___________________________
Taddese Zicke
tz...@lennon.csufresno.edu
http://lennon.csufresno.edu/~tz011
Mohamoud
am...@chass.utoronto.ca (Amina Mire) writes :
>I do not own T.V. so I have not seen the story at ABC. What I can
>tell for these two responds as well as from others who have seen
>the program, "waris" seems be a "confused" poor woman who does
>not know what she is doing :
Dear Sister Amina;
I wholeheartly assume that you have been living in North America since
1980's and you don't have T.V. I strongly doubt it, However, May I ask
you this little question : What motivated you not to have T.V. ?
Regarding about this lady so Called " waris " is not only confused but
also has been degaraded the dignity of Somali Society. Her double
standard blunt has been seen everywhere. In earlier comment, She
remarked that " she is gonna stop working as model the reason She is
doing this modeling because of the money shortage.
Clearly in the interview of 20/20, The lady completely was different,
She blamed her father in earlier comment, as well as in interview 20/20
She strongly condemn her Father and Family for attempted to force to
her in order to marry an old Man. Though, nothing is wrong her cliam
because She could disagree/agree her father, However, Why she has been
disccussing this agian and again in puplic T.V. ?
Here is how she expeditiously criticized her father in earlier
comments in 1995
http://cnn/STYLE/9512/waris/index.html
>"culture" which including female genital mutilation? Finally, it is
>interesting almost all the people who expressed negative opinoin to
>waris's action at ABC are men!
Mazing isn't it. Many Somali Sisters have completely against these
Westren faminsm ladies "Iman and Waris" who have embrassed our
society.
Therefore, not only men but Several Sisters have outraged and
disgusted
the behaviour for these two Women
Thus, there in no growing mistrust between Somali Men and Women.
I think while Many people are expressing their views needless to
bring the issue " genders "
Yaa Salaam
Dr.MOHAMUD
University of Santa at Wyoming State.
Amina Mire
Mohamed Ahmed M. Atto:
As always I like your keen obervations. Dear brother one of the
reasons why I do not own T,V. is not because I cannot afford one but
long time ago I have decided that it's such a vulgar meduim that I can
live without it.
Now, if indeed this particular sister was pregnant with a child whom
she is not lawfully married to the father, then indeed she is not a muslim
and by her very act has chosen to live outside of our culture and
moral values. Second, I agree with your assertion that mothers do not aim at
mutilating their daughters but are doing these practice out of
powerlessness and out of ignorance and to blame them for things which
they thought were right is not most unjust. Third, I agree with you
that if we want to speak about the issue of infibulation of women and
yong girls it must be done in ways which empower Somali women rather
than ways which treats them as exotic "primitive" spicies such as Iman.
Iman is very important case for the follwoing reason: when she started
modeling I think she was more innocent and did mainly posing for
pictures but as she aclamitized to the dirty side of the fashion
industry she started modifying her looks by such things as breast
implants. I also heard she has spoken about this issue eqaully in vulgar
fashion. Currently I am writing a book about the issue of bleaching
creams, a substance commonly used by Somali and other black women so
to make their skin look lighter. Iman is good example of this
practice. Just look her photos. Here at metro women speak of her as
though she s something of greek godess!
The sad thing is whether you like it or not young Somali women see her
as the role model for them because they watch 10 hours of t.V where
they can see women like Weris and all the dirty talk shaws can provide!
Sincerely,
Amina Mire
: Amina,
: I haven't seen the story, but I am told that Weris was also pregnant
: even though she was not married to the unborn child's father: "her boyfriend".
: Now, if this is true, do you think that she should be the right person to
: speak for the cause ?
: As a Somali man, I think most Somali men were unable to speak against
: this strange ritual, simply because they thought of it as being in the
: domain of the opposite sex, I mean, it was always mothers doing the
: thing to their daughters, and the son and father were not supposed to have
: an opinion about it at all.
: Call it a cultural dogma.
: Of course I am aware that the problem is much deeper and more complicated than
: that.
: Maybe its my "conservative" upbringing or my suspicion about the commerce
: driven two dimensional nature of TV stories or something, because it always
: drives me crazy to hear about a Somali woman talking about her private
: parts on TV, I mean, I don't mind watching nude women on TV, but a Somali
: woman talking about her pussy on TV ? I don't know why, but I can't take
: that ! :)
: Personally, I think its people like you, Amina Mire, who should be speaking
: for the cause against Female Cirmcision.
: I am not going to call Female Genital Mutilation, because I don't think a
: mother would want to mutilate her daughter.
: Amina Mire (am...@chass.utoronto.ca) writes:
: > Dear brothers Mustfa and Azem:
: > I do not own T.V. so I have not seen the story at ABC. What I can tell
: > from these two responds as well as from others who have seen the
: > program, "weris" seems be a "confused" poor woman who does not know
: > what she is doing:
: > I have the following to ask for both of you:
: > 1. Do you object Wersi's expression of pain and outrage because what this
: > barbaric surgical operation has done to her lif? 2. Do you agree with
: > her that its horrible practice but simply disagree with the way she
: > expressed her concerns and feelngis? 3. Do you think that female
: > circumcision as a good thing and as such you think that this particular
: > sister is rejecting her "culture" which including female genital mutilation?
: > Finally, it is interesting almost all the people who expressed
: > negative opinoin to Weris's action at ABC are men!
: > Sincerely,
bharat bhutani
On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Mustafa Elmi wrote:
>however;ms(mrs)Waris seems to be an
> uninformed and misguided about the subject.
Sir, that is not true, in my opinion she represented herself well and
made somali pride of her. Also, she had the courage to tell her story to the
rest of the world. Indeed, a hostile world.
>Also she talks about her
> life and her family an in dignified way.for example,at one time she
> refers to her father as "A TYPICAL AFRICAN MAN..A SHIT"FInally, you are
> making too many assumption who i am and why i do and do not support her
> cause.
It is people like you, who are close minded persons who ignore the
experiences of others and assume that there are one perspective of Somalia
and its children. there are various experiences and perspectives about
Somalia and its people.
I am not making any assumption as I don't like making wrong assumptions.
You're stating that you oppose Female genital mutilation and yet you are
going to insult another heroine of yours. What do you think, you are? To
assume that people of the world share your premative outlook is wrong.
I hope you have learned a great deal of lesson. Thanks for comprehending
my rationale.
bharat bhutani
On 24 Jun 1997, it was written:
> Dear Amin:
> I personaly aginest the barberic(Firconi) femal cercum... However the way Waris
> degraded our culture was very embrassing.
Excuses, excuses and escapegoating. Excuses. Give us a break!
>I don't accept Waris as a Somali
> Women row-model. Becouse she is out of our Somali and Islamic culture.
Spelling of row is role model. Perhaps, you meant role model, right? Did
Weris stated that she wants to be a role model? She didn't.
Who are you to declare that she is out of the Somali and Islamic culture?
What a nonsense! Think before you vomit front of the entire world. An
advice from me!
>If you were watching the show that night, you would say she is lair.
What a nonsense. How can you proof that she lied to you or to anyone else?
What kind of scientific evidence would you employ to proof that she had
lied? Pure nonsense from you. You better abandon your nonsense and
baseless accusations. Would you?
> Moreover it is againest our culture, Somali women appear on the TV and talk
> about her private.
> Regards
> Azim
That is not true. it is a tactic used by males like you to keep all the
women to themselves, muslim and non-muslim women. What smart men!
bharat bhutani
On 24 Jun 1997, Mohamed Ahmed M. Atto wrote:
> Amina,
> I haven't seen the story, but I am told that Weris was also pregnant
> even though she was not married to the unborn child's father: "her boyfriend".
Iman, a Somali supermodel is married to a white gay! What do you call
that? By the way, she also thinks that Somali males are bad lovers! Who is
confused, man? Can also Amina has the courage to comment the rationale of
this Somali model named Iman!
Amina Mire
Mohamoud (moha...@usa.net) wrote:
: am...@chass.utoronto.ca (Amina Mire) writes :
: >I do not own T.V. so I have not seen the story at ABC. What I can
: >tell for these two responds as well as from others who have seen
: >the program, "waris" seems be a "confused" poor woman who does
: >not know what she is doing :
: Dear Sister Amina;
: "I wholeheartly assume that you have been living in North America since
: 1980's and you don't have T.V."
Dear brother Mohamed, to be precise, I have in North America since, 1984.
brother mohamed, own neither car, nor t.v. now, what does owning a
t.v. has to do with my existence
as a person?
I am sorry to say that I fail to grasp your point here.
However, I have seen many of may school mates from Somalia who are afraid
when walking in Toronto street, because, many of them told me that
will show their poor status! So, I am not surprised that you think
thatowning a t.v. as a prerogative to "civilized living".
"I strongly doubt it"
You seem to beg the question here. Because if you doubt my statement of not
owning t.v., which is a euphemitic way of saying that i am "liar,"
then, I do not see the point of why, you want to know wether i own t.v.
or not?
Sincerely,
Amina Mire
, However, May I ask
: you this little question : What motivated you not to have T.V. ?
: Regarding about this lady so Called " waris " is not only confused but
: also has been degaraded the dignity of Somali Society. Her double
: standard blunt has been seen everywhere. In earlier comment, She
: remarked that " she is gonna stop working as model the reason She is
: doing this modeling because of the money shortage.
: Clearly in the interview of 20/20, The lady completely was different,
: She blamed her father in earlier comment, as well as in interview 20/20
: She strongly condemn her Father and Family for attempted to force to
: her in order to marry an old Man. Though, nothing is wrong her cliam
: because She could disagree/agree her father, However, Why she has been
: disccussing this agian and again in puplic T.V. ?
: Here is how she expeditiously criticized her father in earlier
: comments in 1995
: http://cnn/STYLE/9512/waris/index.html
: >"culture" which including female genital mutilation? Finally, it is
: >interesting almost all the people who expressed negative opinoin to
: >waris's action at ABC are men!
: Mazing isn't it. Many Somali Sisters have completely against these
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Mohamed Ahmed M. Atto wrote:
> Maybe its my "conservative" upbringing or my suspicion about the commerce
> driven two dimensional nature of TV stories or something, because it
always
> drives me crazy to hear about a Somali woman talking about her private
> parts on TV, I mean, I don't mind watching nude women on TV, but a Somali
> woman talking about her pussy on TV ? I don't know why, but I can't take
> that ! :)
But, is there a distinction between watching nude
women on TV and disliking a Somali woman
talking about her thing on TV?
On the lighter sense, I agree and disagree with you about one thing.
For example, I understand that watching and saying a thing such
as the private parts of a woman is different, but what if the
Somali woman showed it on TV? Would you mind watching her?
Someone said this:
"No one can be perfectly free till all are free; no one can be
perfectly moral till all are moral; no one can be perfectly
happy till all are happy"
And then again:
"Moral indignation is in most cases two
percent moral, forty-eight percent indignation, and
fifty percent begrudge" .
Bashir.
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Mustafa Elmi
<moha...@usa.net>WROTE,
AMINA,
""I wholeheartly assume you have been living in north america since
the 1980's and you don't have T.V.I don't believe you."" Referring to
Amina's honest admissin that she doesn't like
waching T.V and doesnt own one too.
Mohamoud,
Would you please tell me the logic behind If you live in
N.America for certain number of years,you got to have a T.V?
There is a difference between not affording it
and making a conscious choice of not having one .My first reaction of
what she said was I
wish i could be as disciplined as she is.Actually,
I have a couple of friends who lived all their lives in N America and
they don't have T.V.
rand...@niu.edu
>Can someone please tell me what the name of the magazine was that Weris Derie
had her article in? Also anyone who has any info on the pro- abolishment
side to the issue of infibulation (female genital mutilation- female
circumcision) please email it to me.
Thank you to all who answers me.
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Mohamoud
Sh...@webtv.net (Mustafa Elmi) writes:
:<moha...@usa.net>WROTE,
: "" I wholeheartly assume you have been living in north america
:since the 1980's and you don't have T.V. I don't believe you.""
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:Refferring to Amina's honest admissin that she doesn't watching
:T.V and doesnt own one too
Dear Mustaf;
Indeed you have misquoted me because I NEVER said and wrote the above
sentence " I don't believe you ". That is something you comletely
fabricated. Now, there is huge gap between " Believe" and "Doubt"
please note the difference between them. For the sake of this an
argument please quote me right then I will respond your questions !
mustafa elmi
In article <ww03-BF...@netaddress.usa.net>, moha...@usa.net says...
UNINTENTIONAL MISQUOTING!!
–––––––––––––––––––––––––
Brother mohamud,
After I went back to your original article,I realized that you wrote "I doubt
about it" instead of "I don't believe you.
"
take care----M.Elmi
<sh...@webtv.net>
Abdirahman Osman
Friends:
I didn’t watch Waris’ tv interview but I understood the whole scenario
from your discussions. There’s one thing that is worth mentioning,
"Western Journalism" The producers and reporters are not putting our
dismays or misfortunes on display to help us. However, these people earn
their money to collect all awkward and negative news from all over the
world. For instance, look at your evening news and see what percentage
of the news is positive. Also, these programs are aimed at American
public. The reporters/producers choose their audience and concentrate
how to win the minds of their perspective audience. If you need an
example of this, try to remember when American and other western
reporters were reporting the fight between the Americans and USC in
Mogadishu. They were all concerned about twenty or so dead Americans and
never mentioned the innocent women and children they massacred in the
streets of Mogadishu. These soldiers were professionals and must have
killed scores of people before being over-run. I remember watching CBC
in one evening and the whole report was about the dead soldiers. The
news anchor said "…....and many Somalis were killed, thank you for
watching" in the closing statement. I didn’t get surprised because I was
not one of the intended udience.
Now, Weris and others who came on western tvs to condemn our brutal
actions (circumcision, civil war, rape, etc) are using the wrong tool to
deliver their messages. The American media is for business. They won’t
help us over-come our problems but they simply want to have hot stories
so they can sell their advertisements. Now, these ladies showed the
world that most Somali women are circumcised (sp?) and many of them
have sexual deficiencies. Do you think the American public cares about
our cry for a better condition in Somalia. I would say who ever wants to
do something about Somalia’s problems should concentrate on Somalis and
try to help Somalis not sell the American media. Your help is needed
in Mogaidhu and Baydhabo not in NYC or LA.
In conclusion, Please don’t get fooled by the western media. All they
want is to sell their ads. If you want to help Somalis through the
media, then you must look for an appropriate channel to deliver your
messages. Please think twice before you open your lips to these people.
--
Sincerely,
Abdirahman.
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Yussuf S. Ali
In article <33b206ca...@news.csufresno.edu>,
TZ <tz...@lennon.csufresno.edu> wrote:
>Salam SCS,
>
>The Sharamuta Waris did nothing more than lie lie lie! If you payed
>close attention to her interview you could easily detect the
>fabrications in her story. She claimed that Somali women (all Somali
>women) get sown up as youth, have babies, get sown up again, and
>again...etc.... Now we all know that she is lying, but it is
I would not call her "Sharmuta" but she surely lied when she
made the above statement. I wished ABC had invited
someone who is knowledgeable about this practice in order to
counter her story. I could tell from the beginning that
the story was more about condemning the practice
than educating the audience.
Sincerely,
Yussuf
Amina Mire
Dr Mohamoud: (moha...@usa.net) wrote:
I tell you the connection between belief and doubt, I do not know if
you ever read Descartes's meditiations. One of the most famous
lines in Descartes's meditations goes something like this: I think,
there for I am.
This was for Decartes a point of departure betneen doubt and certainity.
I think you need to understand betweeen doubt, belief and certainity.
This is because your piece adddressed to me, you made a very important
presupposition (i.e. That you doubt, the truth value of my statement
of not owning t.v.) and then made an inquiry into why do I not own one and
what is the reason I woun't own a t.v.
Sincerely,
Amina Mire
Mustafa Elmi
BHARAT,BHARAT??????!!!!!!!!?????!!!!!!!
YOU are a lost chicken with no sense of direction.Based on your
articles about Waris,
it is obvious that you are a lost,confused & narrow feminist. Any way,
are you A somali? If so,what is your gender?
Let me repeat one more time where I stand.
I do not support The female circumscion under
any condition.
FINALLY,YOU KNOW YOU MISS THE BUS & DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CHICKEN?????????????
Haidar Mohamed
:In conclusion, Please don’t get fooled by the western media. All they
:want is to sell their ads. If you want to help Somalis through the
:media, then you must look for an appropriate channel to deliver your
:messages. Please think twice before you open your lips to these people.
:
:
Dear Abdirahman:
You are absolutely right in your analysis of the Western Media. It is
simply "GIGO", as they say in the computer jargon platforms.
That's why I posted the following article a while ago on SCS to share
it with people like Weris and others whose testimony would serve not
Somalis but the "paparazzi journalist" who earn millions by defaming
those whose voices are never heard beyond the rattle of their
"ASHUUN".
Weris, if you are reading this, please sit back, enjoy and learn !!
__________________________________________________
Is US journalism dead?
by Stephen H
I have been getting much better variety of viewpoints and more
information from the Internet than just about any mainstream
newspaper, TV station, or radio station.
I think US mainstream journalism has lost its credibility. It is
an emperor with no clothes.
The national news shows on TV are full of scripted anchorpeople
and carefully chosen retired appointees. There are no ordinary
people asking ordinary questions, and no answers therefore
to those questions. We are getting instead political advocacy
and selectively filtered news events, like the OJ trial.
This is not only a horrible waste of bandwidth, but largely
irrelevant to pressing issues such as the national debt. We are
told endless stories about problems about Bosnia with boogeymen
rationales (needing US troops because "Europe has proven itself
incompetent" and "America needs to fulfill its leadership role").
Gross obstruction of justice goes almost totally unreported and
unremarked on.
In contrast, the Internet allows broadcasting by anyone with
something to say. Pointers to detailed information can be
followed. Discussions and debates can be entered, questions can
be asked of those reporting an event, and answers obtained.
Why should we be content with mainstream journalism? Any more
than a person entering our homes every day, shouting a message at
us, and leaving without answering a single question in response.
That's not credibility, it's pontificating. If a person wants
to buy a stereo, he or she goes to a store and asks questions.
If the answers by the salesperson are not credible, he or she
leaves and goes to another salesperson or store. The same should
be true of news, and reporters, at least to some degree.
There should be recognition that there is more to credibility
than a pedigree, title, and a bankroll. One simply has to be
convincing.
Today's mainstream journalism is anything but, and gives
the opposite impression of a bunker mentality of high officials
convincing each other they are winning the war at any moment
as their bunker is being shaken by bombs and the entrances
assailed by enemy troops. To the extent they are convincing
each other, they are doing a good job. To most everyone else,
they are fools. The war is almost over. Good luck, generals.
____________________________________________
Haidar O. Mohamed
Abdinasir Magan
TZ wrote:
> What about her mother? Did she look happy to see her? Was it really
> because she didn't have any children, or was it because she knew that
> she was a Sharamuta convert?
>
> Suggestions welcomed.
>
> Nabad
>
> Waryaa Amhar
>
>
Waryaa Amhar
Where did you learn this word “sharmuuto”? Do you really know what does
it mean?? Well, if you do then you are wrong on your part to call Waris
“sharmuuto” unless you have an evidence for this. You cannot just say
someone is sharmuuto because she is in the model profession, that is
not good enough, my friend. As far as the interview concern, obviously I
found it disturbing, but the bulk of the blame should be on those of
Western Journalist who often like to display the image of other cultures
in a way that corresponds to their beliefs of these cultures as barbarism
and so on. It wasn’t that long when Mohammed Heebaan noted in his
response to Mr. Maren that “Journalists are in business to make a
living” and that they would do anything to get uplifting stories and
thereafter abandoning balance and impartiality in relation to these
journalistic stories. ( have a look Abdirahman’s eloquent piece on the
topic) . I therefore completely agree with brother Abdirahman that
these journalists often and deliberately distort the facts of what
they suppose to write on for specific purposes. One thing, however, that
you should get into your head is that, whatever they are, we do not like
foreigners abusing Somali women in a public forum, understand?
Regards
Abdinasir Magan
ad...@usa.net
In article , bharat says...
>>however;ms(mrs)Waris seems to be an
>> uninformed and misguided about the subject.
>
>Sir, that is not true, in my opinion she represented herself well and
>made somali pride of her. Also, she had the courage to tell her story to the
>rest of the world. Indeed, a hostile world.
What do you consider a courageous act? Talking down on everything
that represents your culture and values? Of course, circumcision is
an evil ritual and no one is defending it. But that's not the point here.
The point being representing a whole people negatively.
>>Also she talks about her
>> life and her family an in dignified way.for example,at one time she
>> refers to her father as "A TYPICAL AFRICAN MAN..A SHIT"FInally, you are
>> making too many assumption who i am and why i do and do not support her
>> cause.
>
>
>It is people like you, who are close minded persons who ignore the
>experiences of others and assume that there are one perspective of Somalia
>and its children. there are various experiences and perspectives about
>Somalia and its people.
>
>I am not making any assumption as I don't like making wrong assumptions.
>You're stating that you oppose Female genital mutilation and yet you are
>going to insult another heroine of yours. What do you think, you are? To
>assume that people of the world share your premative outlook is wrong.
Indeed you're making assumptions and based on those assumptions you
passing judgement. Read what you have written. a) you're assuming
Waris's actions as heroic b) You're judging him as a close minded and premative.
c) you're assuming that he's assuming "there're one experience
in Somalia. d) you're assuming that indeed you're not making assumptions
while in fact you're forming an assumption!!
Regards
Mohamoud
Dear Sister Amina;
Your points are well taken.
Yaa Salaam
Dr.Mohamoud
ad...@usa.net
In article , bharat says...
>
>
>
Is Amina the spokesperson for all Somali females? I don't see why she
should "comment" on what someone else does or thinks. To be fare,
since you seem to know all of this, why don't you toss your opinion on this!
Regards
A. Gulled
Amina Mire wrote:
>
> Mohamoud (moha...@usa.net) wrote:
>
> : am...@chass.utoronto.ca (Amina Mire) writes :
>
> : >I do not own T.V. so I have not seen the story at ABC. What I can
> : >tell for these two responds as well as from others who have seen
> : >the program, "waris" seems be a "confused" poor woman who does
> : >not know what she is doing :
Mohamoud
I agree with you that the woman is confused and behaves un-Somali ways. A
British TV channel has broadcast her story some 2 years ago and the woman
was talking about what is between her legs a lot that one could think of
her as a demented old prostitute.
Moreover, I don't think that there is anything wrong in not owning a TV
set. There is no justification for owning one in the Internet era and
while all you get on the box is violence and sensational tabloid stories.
I didn't own a TV for the last 5 years now and I don't miss watching it
at all. My flatmate has recently bought one and I hardly watch it though
I am allowed to. Btw, what is TV set for while you have an access to a
fast computer on a network?
Regards
A. Gulled
bharat bhutani
On Thu, 26 Jun 1997 rand...@niu.edu wrote:
> had her article in? Also anyone who has any info on the pro- abolishment
> side to the issue of infibulation (female genital mutilation- female
> circumcision) please email it to me.
> Thank you to all who answers me.
Hi,
You will be able to pay her book in any store near your house or
apartment bloc. It will be released very soon. I will be able to inform
you when the book released for sell. It is a book but not an article.
Thanks
Mohamoud
"A.Gulled" <AGu...@hotmail.com> writes :
>I agree with you that the woman is confused and behaves un-Somali
>ways.
Gulled,
I think whomever degrades Somali community is not Somali. There is
no doubt in my mind that So called " waris " is mature an indiviual
and she precisely counts on her action and knows what she has been
talking about. Therefore can We really blame ONLY the Westren Media ?
As far as these two brain-washed ladies concerns " Iman and Waris "
who are lowering our society : they should apologize their accentric
toward the Somalis also They should stop their propaganda. Otherwise
they will be remembered :
Waris and Iman = twin of deception
>Moreover, I don't think that there is anything wrong in not owning
>a TV set.
Wow you pulled the rug under me. Did I say that there is something
wrong not owning a TV set ? I hope you can designate what you have
meant by that.
Ps: Do you still believe that there are " five clean-image poeple
(including yourself) in this NG and we cannot do anything without
them " ? Such conglomerate assertion should be illustrated more
because if I wanna became the 6 th individual of that group I don't
think I will have chance -- Will I ? :-) :-) :-)
Yaa Salaam
Dr.MOHAMUD
Abdinur M Ali
To: Humanists;
I am happy the success of some Somali Women made in Academia
and business circles at the WEST. Nevertheless, The recent lack of mores
and norms of Some Somali Women really disturbs me. To be specific, the 20/20
interview with Weris shows how somali girls are completely lost their way
of thinking. I came to conclusion that if a person does not have respect
for their culture and faith, they always be riding on the top
of foam on the surface of the deep lake of life.
the difference between somebody and nobody is
that the nobody is like a wastepaper, while the somebody belongs to
family, to community, and to a faith.
I have to warn the somali communities of this unprecedented
shamelessness on the part of somali girls in the West.
the somali communities need to teach their girls their society's values.
In addition, the girls are showing that their emotionallly neglected.
They are attention deprived. they are crying out for attention.
So, something has to be changed about the parenting of these girls,
because what ever parenting system somalis are using now is not working.
May be we should teach them that the ultimate reality and meaning as well
as fulfillment of life in this world is to have a religion, self-esteem,
self-respect.
On the other hand, WERIS could have been abused as a child and may be
traumatized, frightened Woman.
We may never know why she was trying to assassinate the character of the Somali
Women. I Hope those of us who still believe decency and morality will call
our people to life of faith and compassion instead of prostitution.
The time we are here in this world is finite, the eternal life is beyond.
let us show respect for each other and respect for the neighbors.
I have to close with warning to MY Somali Fellow men and Women
that we need to go back to our values, traditions, religious practices.
With out those, we will be lost people.
Think Broadly, The village View is what caused
the disintegration of a whole nation
Ali.
wac...@hotmail.com
In article <5peqfo$a...@news.uncc.edu>,
am...@uncc.edu wrote:
>
>
> To: Humanists;
>
> I am happy the success of some Somali Women made in Academia
> and business circles at the WEST. Nevertheless, The recent lack of mores
> and norms of Some Somali Women really disturbs me. To be specific, the 20/20
> interview with Weris shows how somali girls are completely lost their way
> of thinking. I came to conclusion that if a person does not have respect
> for their culture and faith, they always be riding on the top
> of foam on the surface of the deep lake of life.
Abdinur lagu salaan:
Anigu aqoon gaar ah umalihi Weris waxaanse daawaday barnaamij horay BBC
uqabataay (TV) WAQTI HADDA LAGA JOOGO SANNAD or more.
Weris waxay kuwarantay inay baadiya kasoo carartay markii nin oday ah loo
mehriyay, dhabcan aqoon malahyn.
MUQDISHA BAY TIMI, kadibna adeerkeed oo safiir laga dhigay bay soo
raacday oo ay timi London (from bush to London) illayn waqti umahelin
inay Mogadisho joogto. Adeerkeed gurigiisa bay jaariyad ka noqotay.
Illeen waa tii layiri "Haadka samadda duul iyo diinkuba usiman calaf",
waxaa la kulmay nin wax sawira halkii ayay kabilawday wixii kadambeeyay
waa history.
Aqoon darida Weris waxay gaarsiisay inay kala garan weyde AFRIKA IYO
SOMALIA (fadlan qofkii karaya hadaawado filmkaa oo loogu magac daray From
the nomadic desert to model)magacaa waan illaabay laakin inuu saa ahaa
baan ubadiyaa. Qof Muslim ama Somali ah kuma farxayo barnaamijkaa waayo
mararka qaarkood waabay qaawantahay.
Marka CABDI NUR qofkani haku darin gabdhaha Somaaliyeed ee aqoonta leh.
Maalin hore baan halkani ka akhriyay maqaal uu qoray Mudane M. A. Atto uu
noogu sheegay inay Weris wecel caloosha kuwaddo. Sidaa darteed maqabo
Weris inay uhadli karto dhaqanka iyo diinta Somaliyeed.
Alle wuxuu yiri "War masimanyihiin kan aqoonta leh iyo kan aan aqoonta
lahayn? Jawaabtu waa maya. Soomaaliduna waxay tiraahaa "Aqoon la´aani waa
iftiin la´aan."
Weris waxaa ku haboon inay aqoon yeelato taa waxaa dheer inay lahadlaan
dadka yaqaana oo ay usheegaan inay dhinto xawliga faraskeeda.
Annagu waxaa nala gudboon inaan lahadalno qolooyinka duubaya
barnaamijyada noocaa ah ama dhega ka xiranno. Gudniin hadii lagahadlaya
waxaa jira dad badan oo aqoon uleh arrinkaa oo weliba wax ka qoray
(Gabadha iyo wiilal) sidaa darteed qof wareersan arrinkiisa in la
buunbuuniya looma baahna.
Wassalaam
Wacays.
Abdinasit Magan
A. Gulled wrote:
>
> I didn't own a TV for the last 5 years now and I don't miss watching it
> at all.
>
> A. Gulled
You may not possess a TV set for the last five years but.....that is
where the difference beween owning a TV set and.... lies. I leave it to
you to complete the missing words!
Watching live football matches, among other things, is one of the reasons
why I can never give away my TV, though I don’t make much use for it.
Salaama
Abdinasir Magan
Daud7
Mr Wacays & A. Nur
Asalamu Alaikum
I never listen the punk of this lady. What I red about her in NG outwear
any norm that Somali lady should be.
Now everybody had said something about here shameless act but few dare to
precribe the real cure of this scandal.
Brothers, most of Somali women are losing in this filthy culture fast.
They're not losing only their entity but their modesty. The gate they
entered from this filthy culture invites more catastrophic character doom
in horizon. From changing color by metaphor bleach to storming before
cameras with this filthy lawless language maul the tocsin.
Somali women is dying for someone to remind her what all about the
modesty, and how that sustain the healthy family. And this enviornment is
taking away any hint of modesty that our women needed badly. From cultural
shows to entertainment industy that many Somalis runs today in the name of
multi-cultural slogans are few to what modesty slaughters voilenty.
Add up this, to these bands of musicians whom their world are limited by
describing the body of the women/men in Haram are adding more fuel on
fire.
Before we lose the innocence of Somali women let ducaad's lead the march.
Waxaa uu Rasuulku yidhi, " Xishoodku ma keeno waxaanan Khayr ahayn".
Ina Da'ud
Amina Mire
Abdinasir Magan:
I do not know you and obviously you do not know me outside of, few
exchanges we had through this forum. For your information brother
Magan, I do not own television setaandd I do not watch television. Those who know me personally , many of whom are
contributors to this news group, can attest to this fact. Brother Magan, I
have other, more worth while endeavours, which allow me to enjoy live
such as reading literature, conversing with real friends over
good cupe of expresso/honey in of many quite cafe's here at metro and
reading well researched new papers about issues I care about.
I also do not watch Hollywood films either!
I do not see why brother Gulled or I are not believed when we tell the
truth about the fact we just do not watch T.V!
Sincerely,
Amina mIre
(zq...@wmin.ac.uk) wrote:
Abdinasir Magan
Dear Sister Amina
As far as I am concerned, TV is the Twentieth Century’s most detestable
thing. I have seen so many kids who can sit in front of TV boxes by
hours rather than doing their homework, watching a diversity of
programmes from Tom and Jerry to other useless children shows: what a
waste of time! The same aslo applies to the grow ups who would spend for
hours watching some nonesensical talk shows and films.
Therefore, I am not surprised if either you or Gulled have never
possessed a TV set. In my previous post, since brother Gulled told us
that he "watched" a programe about Waris on the "telly" a year ago, I was
merely spotting the difference between having a TV box and watching it.
Salaama
Abdinasir Magan
Abdinasir Magan
MUHAMMED HUSSEIN wrote:
>
>
>
> We need also to spot the difference between having a TV and reading
> about it at places like scs. ;-).
> --
> <Udub ?>
You know what I mean! :).
Regards
Abdinasir Magan
Mohamud Cisman
Hi bhutani
To begin with,WHO ARE YOU? Obviously you don't sound Somali nor does
your name suggest that you are.Could you please introduce yourself? I
missed if you already did that.Could you please again say who you are?
Your style of writing as well as your attitude towards many issues is
similar to that of Faisal Hassan,a Somali, who used to write from this
very University you are writing from.I remember brother Abdirahmaan
Osman saying the other day that he had the feeling that you were indeed
Faisal.Although I have this feeling too,I see no apparent reason as to
why Faisal chooses to write under disguise because it was not typical of
him to do that.You has gotten the time to read this newsgroup and post
you articles every now and then.It sounds wierd to me that a non-Somali
would spend that much time reading and sifting through articles whose
writers he/she has nothing in common; nothing in terms of culture
,nothing in terms of everything.AGAIN WHO ARE YOU?
If you are not Somali you find it difficulty to understand the way we
see things.It has to do with our culture.You have recently been very
critical of those who criticised Weris for being so blunt about her
private parts on TV.As far as I can see the issue is not whether she
speaks out against female circumcision,but the fact that she dared to
say such things on TV.It is unprecedented in our culture to see women
being so open about such things publicly.If she thinks that female
circumcision is so awfully inhuman,many of us are of the opinion that
she should conduct her compaign AMONG WOMEN to eradicate the
practice.She can hold siminars on the issue for women and teach them how
awful the practice is,and there is no need to go on TV.This is women
issue.Let them discuss between them.Family starts from the mother and if
the mother thinks that circumcision is brutal and should not be done to
her daughter,her husband,for the most part,would agree with her.In other
words,wives are in much better position to educate their husbands on the
issue at hand and Weris should limit her compaign only to women.She can
obviously do that without being emotionally so blunt on TV.
SOO BARI.
CISMAN.
PS/ regardless of whether you are Somali or not,we welcome you to this
newsgroup.Anyway,you are already a full-fledged member so you don't need
any welcome note.Do you? :-)